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Sunday, June 12, 2016

Definitional constraints

It's fascinating to see both Left and traditional Right trying, and mostly failing, to understand the rise of the #AltRight:
Why didn't Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, or some other would-be GOP darling, run away with conservative support? Again, backlash. A huge contingent of mainline conservatives don't just hate liberals, Democrats, social programs, identity politics, and, most of all, the nagging insinuations and oppressions of political correct speech codes. They hate damn near everybody right now, especially politicians. Within that everybody, they also hate the GOP (which they erroneously call "the Establishment"), and for good reasons.

Their own party, the GOP, has slowly disenfranchized mainstream blue-collar conservatives (and middle-class white-collar ones too) politically and economically to the benefit of corporate elites. Their wages have stagnated; their jobs have evaporated; they work longer hours for less pay; their debt has increased; their opportunity has been stolen; and in return for it all, they've been given the roughshod heel of a rapidly progressing culture that holds them in contempt. That pinch hurts; and that contempt reciprocates; and these people are rightfully mad as hell.

Blame them for voting themselves into their misfortunes all you want (really, don't – it just makes it worse), but since the early 1970s, the GOP elites have sung them the same misleading song: sail with us just a little farther to the right, and just a little farther now, and we'll get to the promised land. Well, they went to the right, little by little, and now they're lost, adrift on the far-right edge of the world. Worse, they've started to realize that there is no promised land over there, and the GOP elites and their big-money industry financiers have made off like bandits with the only lifeboats.

(Wherever the Overton Window currently lies, today's American Right is pretty far outside the Right of it. The Window has, admittedly, drifted Left, which may reflect actual moral progress in a sober analysis - like one that notes that feudalism, monarchy, and slavery are all somewhere right of the Window's current locale - but political correctness blocks much of the needed discussion on that point. Unwilling to move back within it and hating where it is now, conservatives see Trump bringing it back toward them and love him for it.)

Because the GOP has been cultivating average conservative votes while working against their interests (all the while carefully fomenting fear of outsiders and hatred of liberals, Democrats, and, to an alarming extent, minorities), Trump-supporting conservatives are stuck with a lot of hate and no good options. The Obama presidency, and the ways in which the GOP officially reacted to it, amplified this hate, and the de facto knowledge running back to at least 2012 (and maybe 2008) that Hillary Clinton would virtually certainly be the next Commander in Chief has only made it worse. They can't vote for Hillary (#NeverHillary, "Hillary's Worse") on sheer principle. (Bernie would have fared as badly against them, frankly, if he ran on the Democratic ticket, especially openly as a "democratic socialist.") They also couldn't support the GOP that betrayed them and then, just as Obama's presidency crept toward its end, presented only more of the same "cuckservative" candidates that lack the bravado to stamp out what they see as excesses ruining our society from the Left.

The political view from the Far Right Sea is a dismal one, then, largely bereft of hope and thoroughly haunted by carefully constructed specters and ghouls about immigrants, refugees, the Democrats, and especially Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton (not to mention Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid). Knowing little more in truth about those people except that they are evil, the GOP of the last decade has kept conservatives rowing ever further right without any heed to the consequences. Just a little farther right now. We'll shut down the government; then Obama will fall. That's when we'll see the promised land, you'll see. What? You can't see it? It's not there (now)? Thanks, Obama. The result is that a considerable proportion of American conservatives, acting as a moral tribe, have in common nothing more powerfully than a well-groomed hatred of outsiders, whom they see as likely to destroy the fabric of America, and "liberal Democrats," whom they rarely can tell apart from "socialist-communist-Marxists" and "tyrants."

But how on Earth could they conclude that "liberal Democrats" are tyrants? Both words, "liberal" and "Democrat" mean the opposite of tyranny.
And "conservative" means the opposite of "doesn't conserve anything" too. How on Earth could the Far Right possibly conclude that the behavior of liberal Democrats is not strictly constrained by what they call themselves?

It's funny, but doesn't the Left usually claim that the National Socialists were actually right-wing extremists despite calling themselves "socialists"? You'd think they would therefore be able to understand that Democrats are staunchly opposed to permitting the will of the people to interfere with their ideological agenda.

That being said, the author is correct to say that the more Donald Trump is called a racist, sexist, Islamophobic bigot, the more votes he will win.

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128 Comments:

Anonymous Brick Hardslab June 12, 2016 6:55 PM  

Totally clueless about why things happen. He has some of the facts right but his analysis is ridiculous. His idea that the overton window is too far to the right is risible on its face.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 12, 2016 6:55 PM  

Liberal Democrats? Why, they are the Joy Division of politics. That means they are happy and unified, right?

Anonymous dr kill June 12, 2016 7:02 PM  

More of the same-- Depressive realism labelled as fear and hatred.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 12, 2016 7:06 PM  

So another member of the Lügenpresse tried to 'splain it to the poor rubes. He needs to be the guest of honor at an improved "burning man" festival - Druid-style in a wicker cage.

Anonymous Big Bill June 12, 2016 7:09 PM  

How many Democrats, registered like Mateen or otherwise, have shot someone to death in the last twenty years? All the ghetto blasting is being done by Obama-loving Democrats.

Anonymous Susan June 12, 2016 7:11 PM  

They just are hating that Trump is being proved right. And that it is getting him even more and stronger support.

Anonymous JI June 12, 2016 7:20 PM  

I had a girlfriend from Germany who'd told me the left-wing/right-wing thing came about in the 1930's (20's?) because the two biggest strains of socialism at that time, the National Socialists and the Communists, were always fighting and had to be separated into the two separate "wings" of the Reichstag, and the Communists were placed on the left side and the Nazis on the right side. No idea if this is true, it at least makes for a good story - anyone know the truth of this?

Blogger Alexander Thompson June 12, 2016 7:21 PM  

Well that was the least coherent thing I've read on a while.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes June 12, 2016 7:21 PM  

The political view from the Far Right Sea is a dismal one, then, largely bereft of hope and thoroughly haunted by carefully constructed specters and ghouls about immigrants, refugees, the Democrats, and especially Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton

Nothing better than smug condescension to make collecting their skulls all the more enjoyable.

Anonymous JAG June 12, 2016 7:26 PM  

@6 - The whole left wing right wing deal traces its origins all the way back to occult magical practices. The left hand path was the path of evil or black magic. Still seems a valid description today.

Blogger Positive Dennis June 12, 2016 7:27 PM  

No, I believe it goes back to the Estates General in France before the revolution where the nobility sat on the right of the auditorium.

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 7:28 PM  

Their own party, the GOP, has slowly disenfranchized mainstream blue-collar conservatives (and middle-class white-collar ones too) politically and economically to the benefit of corporate elites.

got that right

Blame them for voting themselves into their misfortunes all you want (really, don't – it just makes it worse), but since the early 1970s, the GOP elites have sung them the same misleading song: sail with us just a little farther to the right, and just a little farther now, and we'll get to the promised land. Well, they went to the right, little by little, and now they're lost, adrift on the far-right edge of the world.

upside down world? seems like we've been going left for a long time with only brief interruptions. as they say, JFK would have been a republican today

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 12, 2016 7:29 PM  

One of the more amusing lies from this leftoid mini turdlet is how he paints the degenerate, genocidal ruling elite as being served by only the Repuke Party - as if the D-squad is not funded and supported by the exact same criminal cartel of Banksteins and their friends. Another fine product of Murikan public edumacayshun.

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 12, 2016 7:31 PM  

This person lost all credibility when he described the history of the GOP as one of moving further and further to the right and being anti-immigrant. If that were true, the GOP would have been the only party for the last 20 years.

The simple explanation - that most Americans are philosophically right wing and this philosophy has not been represented by either party for 50+ years - seems to go over his head.

Blogger Dave June 12, 2016 7:32 PM  

they also hate the GOP (which they erroneously call "the Establishment")

Wrong...definition.


since the early 1970s, the GOP elites have sung them the same misleading song: sail with us just a little farther to the right, and just a little farther now, and we'll get to the promised land. Well, they went to the right, little by little, and now they're lost, adrift on the far-right edge of the world.

The GOPe never moved anyone to the right.

GOP of the last decade has kept conservatives rowing ever further right...Just a little farther right now.

Again with moving right.


We'll shut down the government; then Obama will fall.

He's talking about the GOP right?









Anonymous Were-Puppy June 12, 2016 7:37 PM  

Long time ago i heard it had something to do with the french revolution mocking the biblical passage about separating sheeps from goats.

Anonymous LastRedoubt June 12, 2016 7:40 PM  

I tried to parse it but after dealing with several internal contradictions I fell back to identifying the small chunks that could, for sensible values of true, be called such.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 12, 2016 7:44 PM  

Man, they've just become incoherent. It's hard to make enough sense of this to respond to it. So the GOP has been steadily moving right (a laughable assertion to begin with), but the Overton Window has been moving left. He never gives any example of this rightward GOP movement except to make insinuations about big-money interests, but those big-money interests are always inside the Window, because they're the ones moving it. Duh.

The truth is, the GOP has been desperately trying to stay inside the window of what's acceptable, and moving left to do it. It's hilarious, by the way, to see the GOP still accused of preaching hatred of minorities and foreigners, after decades of their pandering to those groups as hard as they can. You'd think they'd learn, but no.

Blogger bob k. mando June 12, 2016 7:48 PM  

idiot
He refused to disavow Grand Wizard David Duke of the KKK.



look at these assholes.

even in the midst of an article which actually manages to make a decent strategic recommendation ( stop slandering those on the Right ), he repeats slander of Trump. Trump has disavowed Duke and the KKK ( the militant terrorism wing of the Democratic Party ) on numerous occasions.



idiot
without even daring to listen to the more nuanced view that conservatives feel they hold



feel? feel that we hold?

fuck you, you retarded piece of shit. you couldn't reason your way out of a plastic sack if i rolled you in tar, studded you with razor blades and lit you on fire.

we don't need our 'feels' to be pissed off at you, all we need is your continued demonstrated incompetence and lying ( see above ) coupled with your incessant declarations of your own superiority.



idiot
The great fall of buttercream mogul Paula Deen, and its borderline-insane conservative backlash


there is nothing insane ( borderline or otherwise ) about being repulsed by an overtly insane attack on someone who did nothing wrong.



idiot
Within that everybody, they also hate the GOP (which they erroneously call "the Establishment")


another bald faced lie. not only are pedophiles like Hastert "the Establishment", they even refer to themselves as such.




lying idiot
but since the early 1970s, the GOP elites have sung them the same misleading song: sail with us just a little farther to the right, and just a little farther now, and we'll get to the promised land.



oh, jesus h. fucking christ.

when you've lied this much, why stop now?

the Establishment NEVER asked us to 'move right'. the Establishment GOP ALWAYS demanded we move to the Left in formation with the Democrats ... who are being driven by overt Marxists.

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 7:54 PM  

17. Blogger Cail Corishev June 12, 2016 7:44 PM

The truth is, the GOP has been desperately trying to stay inside the window of what's acceptable, and moving left to do it.


agree with that

Blogger Stilicho June 12, 2016 7:54 PM  

That was like listening to a flat earther trying to explain circumnavigation.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 12, 2016 8:02 PM  

@19.
I'm amazed that you had the patience to deal with this moronic screed. Readers be warned: The Lügenpresse dribbler is a perfect exemplar of what is churned out of the high end of the public edumacayshun system. This idiot is an "opinion leader". If he's this moronic, just think of what those who follow his incoherent Jackson-Pollock style writing skills are. They're so stupid it's a wonder they know how to breathe.

Blogger Lovekraft June 12, 2016 8:06 PM  

We know deep down that the elders of the left/cultural marxism are either: pure evil, going to the afterlife with much to answer for,

or will soon become converts to the Truth when they realize they are facing the void all alone.

We win in the long term.

As for the young, they are either going to implode or also convert when 'bills come due' and 'bigdaddygovernment' goes broke.

As for the unscrupulous (politiciantraitors, bankers, media shills), history has proven that they eventually receive that which they created to punish their enemies (i.e. surveillance state).

Long term, big picture. We win. Short term, just honing our skills.

Anonymous Keener June 12, 2016 8:10 PM  

There are piles of money to be made if somebody would set up training sessions on how to counter SJW's like this guy. SJW's Always Lie is a must-have text but some enterprising person needs to offer How To Fight SJW's weekend training sessions. Like those vile sensitivity training classes. And use SWJSAL as the manual. Then invade his space and deal with him.

Blogger CM June 12, 2016 8:13 PM  

I must have a really low bar for reasoned discourse when it comes to liberals, because I found this well reasoned.

Aside from all the errors Bob K. pointed out...

but since the early 1970s, the GOP elites have sung them the same misleading song: sail with us just a little farther to the right, and just a little farther now, and we'll get to the promised land.

I have heard this line before by another leftist... that the right is just keeps getting more and more extreme. We haven't budged. They just keep going further and further left, we simply LOOK extreme. I understand that this is what they think, but I have a hard time understanding how they justify it.

Blogger CM June 12, 2016 8:15 PM  

There are piles of money to be made if somebody would set up training sessions on how to counter SJW's like this guy. SJW's Always Lie is a must-have text but some enterprising person needs to offer How To Fight SJW's weekend training sessions. Like those vile sensitivity training classes. And use SWJSAL as the manual. Then invade his space and deal with him

Apologetics for the Right retreat and seminar events

Anonymous Observer June 12, 2016 8:16 PM  

Hah, "allthink.com" blowing hot air about "moral progress", "fear" and "hatred".

Guess those who claim to think most don't do very much of it.

Anonymous Ken June 12, 2016 8:16 PM  

Gave up reading it when it started droning on about Republicans drifting further to the right.

I reject that Globalist lie.

Blogger Jon M June 12, 2016 8:17 PM  

"If we don't stop calling these ignorant dipshits names they will never vote for us," is what passes for cogent analysis these days.

"Hey, you moronic retards, you should vote for us, we'll save you from your total stupidity," is thier idea of an olive branch.

That level of obliviousness is hard to fathom.

Anonymous Observer June 12, 2016 8:18 PM  

@6: The original term of left-wing/right-wing came from those who sat on the French parliament after the revolution. The revolutionaries sat on the left, and the monarchists and people who still sympathised with the old order sat on the right.

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 8:23 PM  

23. Anonymous Keener June 12, 2016 8:10 PM
There are piles of money to be made if somebody would set up training sessions on how to counter SJW's like this guy. SJW's Always Lie is a must-have text but some enterprising person needs to offer How To Fight SJW's weekend training sessions. Like those vile sensitivity training classes. And use SWJSAL as the manual. Then invade his space and deal with him.


I think its about thinking clearly first and not getting emotionally upset - for me anyway. I wanted to buy SJW's Always Lie for the chapter in there either on rhetoric or dialectic but would be better if there was a book that actually focuses entirely on this stuff. I find many on left to be very clever in their debate tactics and I would like to learn what they know as well.

Cernovich talks about NLP but I don't think he has even come close to mastering it. Mostly he has just gotten lucky a few times and then blows his own horn about what a genius he is.

Blogger Jew613 June 12, 2016 8:31 PM  

The article gives excellent advice to Trump's opponents as calling him racist, sexist etc. is not only making Trump stronger but making those words as meaningless as calling someone a witch. But the article drips with condescension for Trump and his supporters.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 12, 2016 8:43 PM  

"Trump is running purely on angry backlash, and much of it is directed squarely against political correctness."

Despite his Ph.D., this guy must be very young, I mean, too f-ing wet behind the ears to remember when going to the store didn't feel like visiting Guadalajara. To suggest that he misunderstands the real issues of Trump's campaign is a colossal understatement.

Why are we tortured with the puerile thoughts of such midgets, people who lack even the merest fraction of life experience to qualify their thoughts for consideration?

PS: Vox, I would think this guy would hardly merit mention from you, given his background (esp. his authorship of "Everybody is Wrong About God," where the Amazon listing begins with, "With every argument for theism long since discredited...")

Blogger Timmy3 June 12, 2016 8:47 PM  

I never believed Conservative meant conservation. (Even conservation doesn't mean the Webster dictionary definition to Liberals. Its a power grab and drive to restrict use of fossil fuels.) Conservative meant favoring traditional views and values (Webster's). Sure, opposing change is another definition and almost impossible. In breaking with old definitions, alt right is weird. Populism and nationalism have their own baggage. How do you turn a negative, Conservative, into a positive? Even Reagan, the best Conservative out there, was for amnesty, which was a big mistake. He can easily be mistaken for Romney today.

Blogger ZhukovG June 12, 2016 8:52 PM  

@33

Timmy3,

Reagan was not a conservative. But he was a much better actor than folks give him credit for.

Blogger Derek Kite June 12, 2016 8:55 PM  

Yawn. The Conservative party of Canada passed a resolution at the last convention supporting gay marriage. I wonder where they will find all the small contributions that was behind Harper's rise and maintenance of power?

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 8:57 PM  

33. Blogger Timmy3 June 12, 2016 8:47 PM

Even Reagan, the best Conservative out there, was for amnesty, which was a big mistake.


I think he made some kind of deal with the democrats and they didn't keep their end of the bargain.

Blogger Chent June 12, 2016 9:00 PM  

"Why are we tortured with the puerile thoughts of such midgets, people who lack even the merest fraction of life experience to qualify their thoughts for consideration?"

They are the best people to spread propaganda:

1) They have been indoctrinated with the political correct dogma all their life, from school to college. So they are true believers.

2) Since they are young, they know the last version of the dogma (for example, transgender men are female, which was a feature not present in the previous versions of the dogma). So they are orthodox.

3) Since they have had no life experience, they don't question the dogma. From a cushy college to a cushy writing job, with dad paying everything, without marriage, divorce, etc. So their faith is without doubt.

4) They are young. As most young people in the history of mankind, they think they know it all even if they don't know a sh**. So they don't feel the need to talk to older people, they are smarter than them. And everything that came before them can be dismissed. So they are fanatic.

5) They are young. So they are cheap to hire.

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 9:01 PM  

32. Blogger dc.sunsets June 12, 2016 8:43 PM

Despite his Ph.D., this guy must be very young, I mean, too f-ing wet behind the ears to remember when going to the store didn't feel like visiting Guadalajara.


that's what i say when i go to the Dollar Tree:

"Damn, smell like Tijuana in here!"

i say it nice and loud, lol.

Anonymous Godfrey June 12, 2016 9:01 PM  

Sadly "liberal Democrats" certainly now means tyranny. It means busy-body. It means political fanatic. It means lunatic. It means regression back to serfdom.

Blogger LurkingPuppy June 12, 2016 9:03 PM  

andon wrote:I find many on left to be very clever in their debate tactics and I would like to learn what they know as well.
Their main advantage is that they speak their memorized pseudo-dialectic lies more quickly than any person can perform rational thought, so that by the time their opponent is able to respond they have gotten three or four lies out, both the opponent and the audience have forgotten the earlier lies, and the ‘moderator’ will not give enough time to refute even one of them properly with dialectic.

The type of ‘debate’ that the Left can win is not worth participating in.

Blogger Unknown June 12, 2016 9:04 PM  

@36

That doesn't make him look any better. He should have known better...

Blogger Dexter June 12, 2016 9:04 PM  

If the GOP had actually moved us "to the right" or even stopped the leftward drift, their brand name wouldn't be dogshit right now.

Blogger LurkingPuppy June 12, 2016 9:07 PM  

Timmy3 wrote:Even Reagan, the best Conservative out there, was for amnesty, which was a big mistake.
He agreed to amnesty as part of a deal to pass a law which required effective control over the border. The latter was ignored, and IIRC he regretted agreeing to that deal.

The modern GOPe, like the 1980s Democrats, wants amnesty now, and is no more inclined to enforce any law against further illegal immigration than the Democrats have been.

Anonymous Godfrey June 12, 2016 9:09 PM  

The Left is the "HATE & ENVY" crowd. They've been promoting hate & envy for nearly a hundred years. And this asshole lectures us about hate.

Blogger VD June 12, 2016 9:10 PM  

I would think this guy would hardly merit mention from you

WTF? Have you still not figured out that I very seldom pay any attention to WHO makes the arguments, I only pay attention to the arguments themselves?

I don't even know who wrote the piece, much less know anything about anything else he might have done.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt June 12, 2016 9:11 PM  

...since the early 1970s, the GOP elites have sung them the same misleading song: sail with us just a little farther to the right, and just a little farther now, and we'll get to the promised land.

Sail with them? More like "Keep rowing!" And we galley slaves kept rowing, only it didn't look like we were getting anywhere particularly "right". When we asked, we were told in no uncertain terms that the captain and his trusty officers had the compass, and we should just stick to our oars and leave the navigation to the smarties up on the bridge. Sometimes a little taste of the lash was in order too, just to keep us from too frisky.

Well, the mutineers have finally broken their chains and have discovered that it was as they suspected; the ship hasn't been going toward the right for decades now. The captain and his officers are being loaded into lifeboats with one canteen of fresh water between them and will be set adrift in November.

Blogger VD June 12, 2016 9:12 PM  

IIRC he regretted agreeing to that deal.

And Margaret Thatcher regretted joining the European Union. So what? People were, correctly, telling both of them what the consequences would be, but both of them figured that they were smart enough to finesse the situation.

Newsflash: they weren't. They fucked up, very badly, and they bear the responsibility for it.

Blogger tz June 12, 2016 9:14 PM  

Because when you are in the process of being eviscerated by a bear or lion, you don't wish to find a zoologist, you want someone to kill the beast.

Blogger praetorian June 12, 2016 9:15 PM  

Both words, "liberal" and "Democrat" mean the opposite of tyranny.

kek

Blogger Retrenched June 12, 2016 9:18 PM  

Political correctness is the antibiotic the left has used to keep the conservatism virus in check for the past 50+ years. The alt-right is the new resistant strain of the virus, against which political correctness and anti-racism has no effect.

Blogger tz June 12, 2016 9:18 PM  

Isn't the EU just a union of whites? Self-hating, I'll grant you.
The only problem with the EU is it needs to give up both its white privilege and its whites and become the greater caliphate. (Which would be both an improvement and closer to western civilization than the status quo).

Blogger tz June 12, 2016 9:20 PM  

One cannot separate sheep from goats - or make more important distinctions - when the wool is pulled over ones eyes.

Blogger tz June 12, 2016 9:22 PM  

Cruz had a chance but could not break out of the existing obsolete paradigm. Maybe because Heidi played Goldman's Jezebel to his Ahab.

Anonymous Dave June 12, 2016 9:30 PM  

re Orlando: TNT postponed tonights 2 hour season premiere of "THE LAST SHIP" as the episode involves an attack on a Vietnamese club.

The network had heavily promoted the series for the last month.

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 9:34 PM  

54. Blogger tz June 12, 2016 9:22 PM
Cruz had a chance but could not break out of the existing obsolete paradigm. Maybe because Heidi played Goldman's Jezebel to his Ahab.


i was skeptical that an hispanic canadien had any interest in defending the borders of this country and then when i heard he was handing out teddy bears, i had enough. him hanging around with the nutjob beck didn't help things either.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 12, 2016 9:41 PM  

Their own party, the GOP, has slowly disenfranchized mainstream blue-collar conservatives...

I wish people would learn what this word means.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab June 12, 2016 9:59 PM  

Ok sure the entire world ends in an apocalyptic plague but yeah, everybody is just going right back into crowded sweaty clubs. Great plotting there.

Blogger dfordoom June 12, 2016 10:03 PM  

@24. CM

I have heard this line before by another leftist... that the right is just keeps getting more and more extreme. We haven't budged. They just keep going further and further left, we simply LOOK extreme.

Depends on what you mean by left and right. On social issues the Republicans have obviously been moving further and further left. On economic issues though they've moved a long way right. Both parties are now far left on social issues and far right on economic issues.

The problem with Hillary Clinton is not that she's a leftist. The problem is that for all practical purposes she's a neocon.

You cannot make sense of modern politics as long as you cling to hopelessly outdated concepts of left and right. Left and right are not absolutes any more. You can be hard left on social issues and hard right on economic issues.

On economic issues Clinton is well to the right of Trump.

Anonymous andon June 12, 2016 10:10 PM  

58. Blogger dfordoom June 12, 2016 10:03 PM
...On economic issues though they've (Repubs) moved a long way right. Both parties are now far left on social issues and far right on economic issues.


is that why the social spending and budget is thru the roof?

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner June 12, 2016 10:13 PM  

The political view from the Far Right Sea is a dismal one, then, largely bereft of hope
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.” ― H.L. Mencken

He refused to disavow Grand Wizard David Duke of the KKK.

I would rather have David Duke as a neighbor than any moslem or didndu you could name. Also HilLIARy's mentor was in the KKK more recently than Duke.

that's what i say when i go to the Dollar Tree:"Damn, smell like Tijuana in here!"i say it nice and loud, lol

Don't get caught dead there.

Cruz had a chance but could not break out of the existing obsolete paradigm.

Compare Cruz's response to the moslem attack on a gay bar to TRUMPS.

Darn it the left is getting smarter
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/12/la-raza-council-cancels-pro-muslim-anti-trump-event-after-massive-terrorist-attack/

Anonymous Godfrey June 12, 2016 10:18 PM  

The Left is "winning" because the crony wealth global elites fund them, support them, and run them. The Left is the tool of the elites. The elites want dumbed down, dependent, amoral, poor populations. Such populations are more easily controlled and ultimately reduced.

The wealthy elites grind the tune and the monkeys on the Left do a silly dance.

Anonymous GoT jumps the Stark June 12, 2016 10:31 PM  

OT: Tonight's Game Of Thrones was lamer than lame. Arya's gut-stabbing continues to be treated as a tummy ache. Weak, lame, and totally not cool.

Anonymous someguy June 12, 2016 10:54 PM  

"GOP of the last decade has kept conservatives rowing ever further right"

Yep, when those dreaded old white guys came up with the fundamentals of rightism all those years ago Medicare Part D, Bush's failed amnesty plan, and T.A.R.P were right at the top of the list.

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent June 12, 2016 10:54 PM  

At the top (third paragraph) in that article:

"This overbearing assault is the well-intended and ill-conceived product of a fashionable strain of progressivism that has taken it as a holy mission to stamp out bigotry in all its forms in every corner of our society."

Well-intended progressives stamping out bigotry? LOL. Does he even know what bigotry means? That question's a bit tough, I know, because hardly anyone he socializes with would either.

But this is his starting point, so it's no surprise he ends up asking "how on Earth could they ["Conservatives"] conclude that "liberal Democrats" are tyrants?"

How indeed? Bigots!

Blogger CM June 12, 2016 10:57 PM  

You cannot make sense of modern politics as long as you cling to hopelessly outdated concepts of left and right. Left and right are not absolutes any more. You can be hard left on social issues and hard right on economic issues.

On economic issues Clinton is well to the right of Trump.


I have long broken out my understanding of left and right into 3 categories {correctly or not}: social, political, and economic. Left is more freedom, right is more constraint. Social left, more libertine. Political left, free government reign (BIG GOV). Economic left, more spending.

I know the issues with left-right dichotomy, but this doesn't change that people who were quite normal 10-15 years ago are now viewed as extremists without changing position. Which was my point in my previous post.

I put fascism and socialism on the left, which is probably not in keeping with current terminology, but both involve unfettered government to some degree or another.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 12, 2016 11:17 PM  

Hey Lindsay, remember when we said we'd kill you last?

We lied.

Blogger dfordoom June 12, 2016 11:31 PM  

@59. andon

is that why the social spending and budget is thru the roof?

It's another example of why left/right is now meaningless. Parties that serve the interests of Big Business and Wall Street are now pro-Big Government because Big Business and Wall Street are now pro-Big Government.

The budget going through the roof also has a lot to do with the insane military spending of the US.

The problem is not that some parties are too far left or too far right - both parties are thoroughly corrupted. They have no beliefs at all.

Blogger bob k. mando June 12, 2016 11:54 PM  

25. CM June 12, 2016 8:13 PM
Aside from all the errors Bob K. pointed out...



rest assured, that is not a comprehensive list.

that's simply where i gave up and hit the post button so i wouldn't have to bother with splitting for exceeding the character limit.


31. andon June 12, 2016 8:23 PM
I find many on left to be very clever in their debate tactics and I would like to learn what they know as well.



there is only ONE principle to remember, to never forget:
*they* are not dealing honestly with you. EVERYTHING they say is intended to produce an emotional reaction, to put you on the defensive, to make you supplicate to them in some way or another.

NEVER take what they say at face value because, even if the immediate statement is tactically 'true', the only reason that they are saying it is in service of a strategic lie.

PedoPhil Sandifer is a perfect example of this, telling the Right that every action of the Left is "justified" because Pinochet murdered tens of thousands of people ... which is true, for Chile ... but which is absurd when you balance Pinochet against the 100 meelion plus who were murdered by Marxists ( Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che, not an exhaustive list as i haven't even touched Africa )in the 20th century.



47. Wanda Sherratt June 12, 2016 9:11 PM
The captain and his officers are being loaded into lifeboats with one canteen of fresh water between them and will be set adrift in November.



i don't want to give them lifeboats; what they've done is treason.

i want all these GOP fuckers on stakes, Kaziglu Bey style, starting with the convicted pedophiles and moving on to the ones we haven't caught in the act yet. and then all of the Banksters.




59. dfordoom June 12, 2016 10:03 PM
On economic issues Clinton is well to the right of Trump.



ummm, no.

open borders and free trade are Communist / Marxist international proletariat ideals: therefore Left

protection and border enforcement are inherently nationalistic: therefore Right

Anonymous andon June 13, 2016 12:00 AM  

68. Blogger dfordoom June 12, 2016 11:31 PM

The budget going through the roof also has a lot to do with the insane military spending of the US.


is that true? i thought i heard we have a smaller navy than at any time since WWI. like 300 ships instead of 600, and fewer fleets too.

The problem is not that some parties are too far left or too far right - both parties are thoroughly corrupted. They have no beliefs at all.

the left seems to have some beliefs like global govt, unlimited immigration, and curbs on Free Speech and 2nd Amendment rights.

Blogger WerePuppy June 13, 2016 12:01 AM  

@53 tz
One cannot separate sheep from goats - or make more important distinctions - when the wool is pulled over ones eyes.
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Hey, good one :P

Blogger WerePuppy June 13, 2016 12:05 AM  

@61 BigGayKoranBurner

Darn it the left is getting smarter
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/12/la-raza-council-cancels-pro-muslim-anti-trump-event-after-massive-terrorist-attack/
--

I wonder why they didn't mention it was Latin Night at the bar?

Blogger Kevin Blackwell June 13, 2016 12:07 AM  

How completely ignorant, to think that anything has moved to "the right." I can't think of a single thing that hasn't been dismantled and replaced that "the right" has wanted. Has "the right" won any battle in the west over the past 100 years?

I like how The Radish shows things: https://radishmag.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/basic-guide-to-the-political-spectrum.jpg

Blogger dfordoom June 13, 2016 12:08 AM  

@66. CM

I know the issues with left-right dichotomy, but this doesn't change that people who were quite normal 10-15 years ago are now viewed as extremists without changing position.

Agreed. Most ordinary people haven't shifted their views. And the word extremist nowadays serves the same function as the word fascist - it simply means someone liberals disagree with.

On the other hand I do think that all the major political parties within the Anglosphere have shifted towards a more pro-Big Business pro-elites stance. They have all become more economically globalist. I think that's kind of what the author of the original quoted article was referring to but he was either too deluded, too stupid or too dishonest to admit that on economic policy the most dramatic rightward shift has been on the part of the Democrats.

Blogger WerePuppy June 13, 2016 12:11 AM  

Somewhere along the way I quit bothering to listen to the lefties.

Was pretty sure we had to take down the Cucks first, before dealing with them anyway.

And now the whole nationalism thing has come along and thrown a monkey wrench in the left-right battle.

Blogger LurkingPuppy June 13, 2016 12:11 AM  

andon wrote:is that true? i thought i heard we have a smaller navy than at any time since WWI. like 300 ships instead of 600, and fewer fleets too.
But the important thing is that now the U.S. armed forces have an F-35!

That's the insanity.

Anonymous Case June 13, 2016 12:23 AM  

Not the first fuck given.

That'[s the attitude of the new conservatives,

Get used to it or get the fuck out of the way. We've had enough of your type 10X over,

Blogger bob k. mando June 13, 2016 12:26 AM  

70. andon June 13, 2016 12:00 AM
is that true? i thought i heard we have a smaller navy than at any time since WWI. like 300 ships instead of 600, and fewer fleets too.



you're forgetting the massive military R&D budgets.

also, unit prices ( per ship, per aircraft ) are going through the roof for production.

we spend more than the other top 15 nations COMBINED ... and still can't figure out a way to get the VA to take care of our soldiers.

Blogger dfordoom June 13, 2016 12:26 AM  

@70. andon

the left seems to have some beliefs like global govt, unlimited immigration, and curbs on Free Speech and 2nd Amendment rights.

I don't believe there is a Left any more. Not in any meaningful sense.

Global govt, unlimited immigration, and curbs on Free Speech and 2nd Amendment rights are ideas that appeal to the super-rich globalist elites. Identity politics is also something that appeals to super-rich globalist elites. I don't see them as leftist beliefs.

Those who believe in these ideas are simply useful idiots for the elites.

And the billionaires who push these agendas are not leftists. They push these agendas because they're a useful distraction for the masses. Meanwhile the billionaires can get on with the things that really interest them - accumulating more money and more power.

Blogger dfordoom June 13, 2016 12:33 AM  

@78. bob k. mando

we spend more than the other top 15 nations COMBINED

And the US military can't stop unarmed Mexicans from crossing the border. The US military is quite good at invading and trashing other countries, but it's helpless when it comes to actually defending its own borders and its own citizens.

If you were cynical you could almost believe that the purpose of the US military is not to defend Americans at all.

Blogger bob k. mando June 13, 2016 12:49 AM  

80. dfordoom June 13, 2016 12:33 AM
And the US military can't stop unarmed Mexicans from crossing the border.



false.

the US military is *not permitted* to defend the border.

it is more than capable of interdicting pretty much everyone and everything ... if it were permitted to do so.


80. dfordoom June 13, 2016 12:33 AM
If you were cynical you could almost believe that the purpose of the US military is not to defend Americans at all.



if you were wise, you would know that the history of the last 50 years has more than conclusively demonstrated this.

Blogger residentMoron June 13, 2016 12:53 AM  

This guy's insane. The GOP betrayed the right by leading it to the right? And then what? Oh, yeah, running away left.

Unbelievable

Blogger John Saunders June 13, 2016 12:54 AM  

Read this a few days ago. A lot of contempt from the author, but also a lot of truth. "Conservative" voters were comprehensively betrayed by their putative leaders, and those voters are looking for payback.

Blogger bob k. mando June 13, 2016 12:56 AM  

oh, something else, there's a reason why this article is so offensive to those of us on the Right:
it was written for people of the Left, by a Leftist.

remember, Leftists always lie.

that article is NOT a syllogism of facts intended to sway through reasoned argument.

that article is a LIE, written by a Leftist with the intent of creating the narrative needed to sway the opinion and affect actions of ... other Leftists.

therefore, he has no constraints on the lies of flattery which he is using groom his Leftist audience into being more amenable to listening to what he's saying. nor does he have any constraints on the demeaning characterizations which he is going to use to describe the Right.

if you were to talk to him face to face, and he was aware of your political position, i'm sure his demeanor would be entirely different.

Blogger Groot June 13, 2016 1:08 AM  

@1. Brick Hardslab:
"Totally clueless about why things happen. He has some of the facts right but his analysis is ridiculous. His idea that the overton window is too far to the right is risible on its face."

He's not totally clueless, though bits like this throughout the piece do grate, but it was very helpful to me, born and raised in California by professors and living in Silicon Valley. I am fascinated by the bizarre (to me) beliefs of huge swathes of people who are unlike me. The South and Northeast are complete mysteries to me, but that is surely a lot of folks. For a Southerner to help explain some of their feelings and gut calls with the help of concepts like Stereotype Accuracy is quite fun. I really identified with these basically decent people who are despised by the people who surround me in a knee-jerk reflex, and then pat themselves on the back for their tolerance.

Blogger John Saunders June 13, 2016 1:10 AM  

@82 residentMoron: This guy's insane. The GOP betrayed the right by leading it to the right? And then what? Oh, yeah, running away left.

The analysis is a sane Lefty's way of describing what the GOPe leadership did to its voters; and the analysis isn't far off. "Stick with us a little longer, we'll get there! Vote for us because we're better than the Democrats. We're putting good judges in the courts and will take back the culture the same way it was taken from you."

The GOPe didn't run away Left. It was always left - Liberals Lite. These were con men playing marks for fools. The judges? Notice how the GOPe always balances a Right Wing stalwart like Scalia or Thomas or Alito with squishes like O'Connor and Kennedy and Roberts, or even a Lefty in sheep's clothing like Souter? The Left is never stupid enough to do that - all its judges are stalwarts. But appointing the few stalwarts was an effective smokescreen for the GOPe types - until 2012. The Obamacare case was what the Right's 40 year Long March through the courts was all about, and Roberts caved.

The GOPe never delivers anything to its voters. It delivers to its doner class, but never, ever to its voters. Say what you will about the Dems, but in 2009 and '10... damn... did they deliver to their voters.

Blogger CM June 13, 2016 1:11 AM  

that article is a LIE, written by a Leftist with the intent of creating the narrative needed to sway the opinion and affect actions of ... other Leftists.

Primarily why I didn't have much of an issue with it. As far as left-to-left discourse goes, I've seen far worse. This was a leftist defense of the right, and aside from mischaracterizations (which are common and predictable) and oddly perceived lies, it was more generous than I would have expected from someone who thinks like he does.

Blogger bob k. mando June 13, 2016 1:36 AM  

87. CM June 13, 2016 1:11 AM
it was more generous than I would have expected from someone who thinks like he does.



it wasn't generous to us, it was condescending.

just in a different way than you are used to seeing. for him, we would still rank as lower than dogs.


87. CM June 13, 2016 1:11 AM
This was a leftist defense of the right,



no, i already pointed this out:
the Right, per se, is completely irrelevant to what is or is not described in that essay.

what you have to remember is his goal:
to get the more outspoken retards on his side of the aisle to shut the fuck up. ( because he realizes that they are still not a majority )

when viewed through that lens, everything he says is well designed to suit his purpose.

it may not be logically accurate, it may be historically dishonest, it may be factually incoherent, it may be ideological lunacy.

that's irrelevant.

what it does is create a narrative that a Leftist MAY follow to mind his tongue until the election is over and done with.

and that's all he's after.

Blogger Bosefus June 13, 2016 1:37 AM  

Some non-leader of Altrightest's extolls, "It's fascinating to see both Left and traditional Right trying, and mostly failing, to understand the rise of the #AltRight:"

No it's not, it's fasinating to see the #AltRight think they are something new under the sun. The same ol peoople that were right 50 years ago are still right today. You avande garde neuve right are so pedestrian but I guess it sells. And Jesus was our spokesman then as now.

In case you hadn't noticed Vox, your #AltRight is a yawn... a name bestowed upon a dream... but keep up the good work. Oye vey!

Blogger Chent June 13, 2016 1:53 AM  

@41

This was a very accurate description. Thank you for sharing.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 13, 2016 1:59 AM  

" remember, Leftists always lie. "
You damn betcha, bob k.
Its as natural to 'em as breathing.
Like Muzzies and lyin it justs comes natural.

Blogger Paul Leavenworth June 13, 2016 2:07 AM  

This person lives in an alternate reality. One where the GOP is a right wing political party bent on right wing politics. I wish.

In the real world the cucks in the GOP have rolled over and showed their belly to Obama and the dems over and over and over. For fear of being called 'racist' don't you know. Show me one issue the Republicans are to the right of the Reaganites.

This idiot, official keeper of the conventional wisdom, is delusional. Trump is a reaction of people like me who have been locked out of politics by the Blue/Red team. The game has been fixed and along comes this millionaire businessman, who is owned by no one, and he terrifies them. They honestly don't know what to make of a man who won't play by their stupid rules and won't apologize when he's supposed to. God Bless Donald Trump and keep him on the right track. He is over the target taking heavy flack.

Blogger Groot June 13, 2016 2:17 AM  

Not so much emotion is really needed to poke through their bubble (though be passionate to your heart's content). I'm so surrounded by it, that I'm almost not conscious of it and just slide through their quite naïve stances. An example: Just a few minutes ago, I walk through the kitchen. A couple of my daughters have a couple of friends over. One of them brings up the shootings in the gay club, and states, all virtue-signalling, "What's important is that this was a hate crime." So I said, "No, it was Islam." All eyes grow wide, because this Must Not Be Said. They all cry out, "What?!" I say, "A guy walks in, screams 'Allahu Akbar, my religion is Islam and it says that homosexuality is evil' and then kills 50 people." Every single head does that tilt and half-shrug, like, of course, that's true. One line, and the unthinkable is the obvious. They just have never heard otherwise. If I had come across all angry and self-righteous, I would have not only not been credible, I would have been evil.

Blogger Jon M June 13, 2016 2:43 AM  

"it's fasinating to see the #AltRight think they are something new under the sun."

Oh, but we are something new - rightists with brains and the stones to use them. We aren't Republicans, libertarians, or even Tea Partiers. We are the angry mob that has had just about enough of this.

Your presence here betrays your concern. And you should be concerned. What you see now is the best case for our opponents. If the alt-right does lose this go round, you won't like what comes next. Do the world a favor and lose now so that you don't have to face our successors

Blogger residentMoron June 13, 2016 2:43 AM  

John Saunders

That's pretty much what I meant. The GOP talks conservative but runs away left in practice. Sorry I wasn't more ckear on that.

I think bob k mando did a better job of describing it than I did. Thanks, bob

Blogger Groot June 13, 2016 2:50 AM  

"residentMoron"

Heh.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 13, 2016 3:52 AM  

Kevin Blackwell wrote:Has "the right" won any battle in the west over the past 100 years?
The fight for concealed carry has been going well.  I can't think of another offhand.

Kevin Blackwell wrote:like how The Radish shows things
I miss Unamused.  He hasn't posted in far too long.

LurkingPuppy wrote:Their main advantage is that they speak their memorized pseudo-dialectic lies more quickly than any person can perform rational thought
Note that this was originally dubbed "the Gish gallop", a tactic of the creationist Right.

Anonymous George of the Jungle June 13, 2016 3:53 AM  

As historical examples of party interchangeability, you can't do better than the last two Presidents...

Bush was Obama-lite.
Obama is Bush on steroids.

Anonymous Rona June 13, 2016 4:00 AM  

andon wrote:23. To Fight SJW's weekend training sessions. Like those vile sensitivity training classes. And use SWJSAL as the manual. Then invade his space and deal with him.

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I think its about thinking clearly first and not getting emotionally upset - for me anyway. I wanted to buy SJW's Always Lie for the chapter in there either on rhetoric or dialectic but would be better if there was a book that actually focuses entirely on this stuff. I find many on left to be very clever in their debate tactics and I would like to learn what they know as well.


Yes, I'd buy a book on how to argue with SJWs, both open leftists and cuckservatives. Getting into proper mental state for dealing with sheer stupidity of their arguments and dismantling them before they develop that smug mug and begin victory dance.

They simply don't respond to facts, you can present them with evidence of rapes in capital cities of Europe, beheading on the street of London, Muslim bombings, Muslims openly chanting death to homosexuals etc. from liberal papers, and still they will rationalize them away.

I'm incapable of comprehending the mental process that allows them to deny reality staring them right in the face. For example denying Muslim intolerance is a serious issue and two minutes later screaming with vein-popping outrage about Christian photographer who declined to work with a pair of fags.

Anonymous Angriff June 13, 2016 5:33 AM  

@70. andon

the left seems to have some beliefs like global govt, unlimited immigration, and curbs on Free Speech and 2nd Amendment rights.

I don't believe there is a Left any more. Not in any meaningful sense.

Global govt, unlimited immigration, and curbs on Free Speech and 2nd Amendment rights are ideas that appeal to the super-rich globalist elites. Identity politics is also something that appeals to super-rich globalist elites. I don't see them as leftist beliefs.

Those who believe in these ideas are simply useful idiots for the elites.

And the billionaires who push these agendas are not leftists. They push these agendas because they're a useful distraction for the masses. Meanwhile the billionaires can get on with the things that really interest them - accumulating more money and more power.


Bingo. This is 100% correct. The people spurting these ideas are naive imbeciles who are tools of the elites to divide the 99% so that we never unite and realize we're being fucked by the financial class that has turned us into debt slaves and suppressed labor rates by overloading the labor supply with feminism and immigration.

Blogger James Dixon June 13, 2016 6:00 AM  

> "Hey, you moronic retards, you should vote for us, we'll save you from your total stupidity," is thier idea of an olive branch.

And when it's being offered by folks who are demonstrably stupider than you are...

> I have heard this line before by another leftist... that the right is just keeps getting more and more extreme. We haven't budged. They just keep going further and further left, we simply LOOK extreme.

I don't think they've ever actually moved at all. The leadership of the left was always really this extreme, they simply hid it better.

> I wanted to buy SJW's Always Lie for the chapter in there either on rhetoric or dialectic but would be better if there was a book that actually focuses entirely on this stuff.

http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/rhetoric.1.i.html

It used to be taught as one of the elements of a proper English education. :(

> I think he made some kind of deal with the democrats and they didn't keep their end of the bargain.

That's what they always do.

> On economic issues though they've moved a long way right.

Because unlimited debt spending is so very right wing.

> On economic issues Clinton is well to the right of Trump.

Isn't socialized medicine an economic issue?

> The budget going through the roof also has a lot to do with the insane military spending of the US.

Well, duh. But the spending levels on everything are insane, not just the military. At least the common defense is a legitimate government function.

> On the other hand I do think that all the major political parties within the Anglosphere have shifted towards a more pro-Big Business pro-elites stance. They have all become more economically globalist.

Globalism has never been a defining characteristic of the right. It has been a defining characteristic of the current Republican party, though.

> Oh, but we are something new - rightists with brains and the stones to use them.

Oh, that's not new. It's merely rediscovering our lost heritage.

> Note that this was originally dubbed "the Gish gallop", a tactic of the creationist Right.

Again, there's nothing new about that argumentative tactic.

Blogger Nigel McPhearson June 13, 2016 6:00 AM  

I was reading an article over at alt right about the role of trolling to the resistance. He's compares it to modern arts and post modern cultures constant desecration of the sacred symbols of western civ as a spiritual attack. An attack that's been one way for over half a century.
I live in a great north eastern pozopolis so any "debate" must hack through a jungle of rhetorical leftist good think before any blows land. I'm be taken to calling my Non PC trangressions "boundary pushing" and "transcendent". It stumps the antagonist but generally gets a laugh from any others and who are the real targets.
Plus it's fucking fun. Transcendent indeed.

Blogger ValeriusMaximus June 13, 2016 6:02 AM  

Regard not who it is which speaketh, but weigh only what is spoken.
-Richard Hooker, Preface to Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity

Blogger Nigel McPhearson June 13, 2016 6:08 AM  

My previous comment was responding to @51
Sorry. Computers ain't really my bag
"Political correctness is the antibiotic the left has used to keep the conservatism virus in check for the past 50+ years. The alt-right is the new resistant strain of the virus, against which political correctness and anti-racism has no effect."

Anonymous old man in a villa June 13, 2016 6:10 AM  

"The Window has, admittedly, drifted Left, which may reflect actual moral progress in a sober analysis..."

From whence comes this "moral" condition?

Each him and her, we and xer?

God is dead to these people, but morality exists. It is the right of every man woman and self abnegating genderless mutilator to decide for themselves unless they believe that marriage is between a man and a woman or that dissecting an unborn child as it is being delivered is a choice, then it's RACISTHOMPHOBICNEONAZISTHATWANTTOGASSIXMILLIONJEWS!!!

Then the only only response I have for someone who is this intentionally clueless (if that is indeed his/her/itz problem (which I doubt mightily) is this-

You've made your bed, now lie in it. And clearly, they/them/we/it do/does.

Anonymous Avalanche June 13, 2016 7:16 AM  

@24. "We haven't budged. They just keep going further and further left, we simply LOOK extreme. I understand that this is what they think, but I have a hard time understanding how they justify it."

What makes you think they EVER try to justify it? They FEELZ it, so it must be true!

Blogger David Power June 13, 2016 7:21 AM  

Funny how accurate it sounds if you just replace 'Right' with 'Left'

"since the early 1970s, the GOP elites have sung them the same misleading song: sail with us just a little farther to the Left, and just a little farther now, and we'll get to the promised land. Well, they went to the Left, little by little, and now they're lost, adrift on the far-Left edge of the world. Worse, they've started to realize that there is no promised land over there, and the GOP elites and their big-money industry financiers have made off like bandits with the only lifeboats."

Fixed.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 13, 2016 7:48 AM  

95. Groot
You need to shut your yap while you still have a chance.

Blogger Gaiseric June 13, 2016 7:49 AM  

Geez, guys. Yes, he's a liberal, and he's speaking from a liberal paradigm. But instead of argue with that, or shut down because you can't stomach that, read the article for what it is. He does basically get what motivates the alt-right. I saw this article a few days ago, and in many ways was kinda impressed by his astuteness. Not that many liberals can see past their own insane biases to correctly conclude what's really going on on the Right.

Anonymous Avalanche June 13, 2016 7:52 AM  

And the US military can't stop unarmed Mexicans from crossing the border. The US military is quite good at invading and trashing other countries, but it's helpless when it comes to actually defending its own borders and its own citizens.

Just started the Lind's 4GW book -- and in the very first chapter -- my eyebrows went up and I had an epiphany! What a AMAZING book! (If you haven't bought it yet, do so!) I'm ex-Navy officer (from the late 70's) and so have a pretty good grounding in 3rd-GW... OMG! I can't even present a coherent synopsis yet of the fundamental change in my views -- but I can feel the ground shifting beneath my understanding! (I also feel a sense of despair at the idea of the (majority of the) current military brass EVER 'getting' it. I'm reminded of the Spec Forces guys growing long beards in Afghanistan to not be such superb clean-shaven targets -- and some turd of a Washington (military!) honcho pushing for them to have to meet "military grooming stds."

Thank you Vox (and Castalia) and Mr. Lind for ... opening a new vista in understanding warfare!!

Anonymous Avalanche June 13, 2016 7:54 AM  

(Sorry,tried to use the "make replied great again' function and it failed me. That first para was quoted from msg 80 by dfordoom.)

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 13, 2016 8:06 AM  






































































































































































" Yes, I'd buy a book on how to argue with SJWs, both open leftists and cuckservatives. Getting into proper mental state for dealing with sheer stupidity of their arguments and dismantling them before they develop that smug mug and begin victory dance."
They are gonna pull that shit on you no matter what .
It is what it is. FUCK'EM. GIVE 'EM BOTH BARRELS, As Vox so rightly tells you to do. Bless you in your fight with those twats.

Blogger James Dixon June 13, 2016 8:13 AM  

> He does basically get what motivates the alt-right.

No, he doesn't. He thinks we're a political movement like any other, and a fringe one at that.

He doesn't understand with the glorification of gay marriage and the criminalization of any protest a line has been crossed. This is no longer a political movement. This is war.

Blogger Rusty Fife June 13, 2016 8:45 AM  

Keener wrote:There are piles of money to be made if somebody would set up training sessions on how to counter SJW's like this guy.

This is what I've learned here:
1) internet forums are sparring rings
2) their first attack is their personal emotional weakness; log it and punch it hard everytime you respond
3) just like a jab-jab-hook combo works in the ring; use a rhetoric-rhetoric-logic combo in every comment
4) you don't have to answer every attack; first is their weakness, last is where they are trying to score emotional points. Parry the last and hit the first.
5) "I don't know" and "I don't care" are valid responses to questions that drive secret kings out of their gourd

Blogger Rusty Fife June 13, 2016 8:50 AM  

@113
"I don't know" and "I don't care" are valid responses to questions that drive secret kings out of their gourd

To make it work you have to give a reason:

"I don't know. I'm not the one interviewing for the job of Grand Inquisitor; you are."

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd June 13, 2016 9:10 AM  

@96: ``The fight for concealed carry has been going well.''

After many years and much work, I still can't anonymously mail order a tommy gun. In 1933, my grandparents could.

Concealed carry is nice, but it's trivial compared to what we have lost.

Blogger Gaiseric June 13, 2016 9:26 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> He does basically get what motivates the alt-right.

No, he doesn't. He thinks we're a political movement like any other, and a fringe one at that.

He doesn't understand with the glorification of gay marriage and the criminalization of any protest a line has been crossed. This is no longer a political movement. This is war.

There's a reason I used the word "motivate" there. This article is about motivation. Your comment is about something else.

Anonymous zapbrannigan1 June 13, 2016 9:31 AM  

The patronizing tone of that article is nauseating. This is a nice, clear window into how progressives think about their ideological enemies: dumb hicks who are easily misled by a shouting bigot.

This coming from a guy who's ideology boils down to "I'm right, shut up."

Anonymous andon June 13, 2016 9:50 AM  

James Dixon June 13, 2016 6:00 AM

> I wanted to buy SJW's Always Lie for the chapter in there either on rhetoric or dialectic but would be better if there was a book that actually focuses entirely on this stuff.

http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/rhetoric.1.i.html

It used to be taught as one of the elements of a proper English education. :(


thanks for this. I found it on youtube for download as a free audiobook too. I remember that rhetoric was a course taken by my older brother in high school but for some reason was removed from the offerings by the time I got there - this was the early 1980's.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar June 13, 2016 11:54 AM  

Let me parse this drivel into English so you can understand what this midwit is actually saying. They've figured out we're lying. They don't believe us anymore. We need better liars.
See, in English you can understand this rant.

Blogger Feather Blade June 13, 2016 12:59 PM  

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Blogger Feather Blade June 13, 2016 12:59 PM  

Retrenched wrote:Political correctness is the antibiotic the left has used to keep the conservatism virus in check for the past 50+ years. The alt-right is the new resistant strain of the virus, against which political correctness and anti-racism has no effect.

[sprg] Antibiotics don't fight viruses. [/sprg]

Blogger James Dixon June 13, 2016 2:26 PM  

> ...thanks for this.

De nada. Vox has recommended it in the past, and being well out of copyright, it's readily available.

You might also like http://www.people.vcu.edu/~nsharp/wilsded1.htm which has the same virtues. There is also https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Rhetoric_and_Composition and https://archive.org/details/effectiveexpress00rhodrich which appear to be free textbooks.

There are lots of textbooks on rhetoric out there (simply Google rhetoric textbook), but most of them are in copyright and cost money.

Blogger Groot June 13, 2016 2:27 PM  

@107. jOHN MOSBY:

Ah, now you've got slobber on my pants leg. Go on. And stop chewing on that oven mitt. Off! It's not for you.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 13, 2016 2:42 PM  

"Blogger Bosefus June 13, 2016 1:37 AM
...
it's fasinating to see the #AltRight think they are something new under the sun.
...
You avande garde neuve right are so pedestrian but I guess it sells. And Jesus was our spokesman then as now.

In case you hadn't noticed Vox, your #AltRight is a yawn... a name bestowed upon a dream... but keep up the good work. Oye vey!
"


Let's us count.
1) Uses nick name of Hank Williams Jr., like he's a redneck, and spells it wrong, like an (((eskimo))).
2) Projection - "#AltRight think they are something new"
3) pseudo insult, "avande (sic) garde neuve"
4) coffee house pose, "are so pedestrian but I guess it sells"
5) Self identifies as Christian but gets it wrong.
See, men are messengers for Jesus, not the other way around.
6) Again, coffee house pose, "#AltRight is a yawn"
7) (((Oye vey!)))

Verdict, (((agitprop)))

Blogger ValeriusMaximus June 13, 2016 4:07 PM  

Since this is being discussed, and I am wont to spread knowledge about the classics wherever it may reasonably be done, there are several other classical works on rhetoric, for those interested.

Orator of Cicero
Institutio Oratoria by Quintilian
Antidosis of Isocrates

Perseus in general is an excellent source, especially if you know Latin and/or Greek. The above are all in English.

Blogger Desillusionerad June 13, 2016 6:18 PM  

That article also overlooks one important part about the overton window - It didnt actually move - Journalists and elits (by virtue of being basically the same ilk) just neatly pretended it did.
This left large parts outside of the window, who eventually merged into the alt right.
Then they also manipulated the window (more generally the left) With screams of 'isms' once again, not changing the window, just manipulating its perception - Narrative over reality -

Anonymous andon June 13, 2016 10:47 PM  

Athor Pel June 13, 2016 2:42 PM

....

Let's us count.
1) Uses nick name of Hank Williams Jr., like he's a redneck, and spells it wrong, like an (((eskimo))).
2) Projection - "#AltRight think they are something new"
3) pseudo insult, "avande (sic) garde neuve"
4) coffee house pose, "are so pedestrian but I guess it sells"
5) Self identifies as Christian but gets it wrong.
See, men are messengers for Jesus, not the other way around.
6) Again, coffee house pose, "#AltRight is a yawn"
7) (((Oye vey!)))

Verdict, (((agitprop)))



excellent

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