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Friday, June 17, 2016

Dukakis is inevitable

Now is the time in which all good Republicans put on long faces and pretend to be upset that Donald Trump is behind in the very early polls:
Just a few weeks ago, Trump supporters were upbeat because he was within just a few points of Hillary Clinton. This was a false dawn. What they didn’t take into account is that she was still in a pitched battle with Bernie Sanders, which meant the Democratic support she can count on in the fall was suppressed. Trump, having effectively won the nomination, was consolidating Republican support. Once Clinton effectively secured the nomination, which she has now done, the gap was bound to increase. The fact that Trump was still losing to Clinton when he had that advantage should actually have been a warning sign.

What should be particularly worrisome for those rooting for Trump is that things have gotten markedly worse. Negative views of Trump have increased 10 points in the last month. That is because he is acting just as he has acted all year. The hope that he’ll flip the switch and become more “presidential,” more unifying, and less repulsive just isn’t happening. The Trump attacks on Judge Curiel and his heritage, arguing that because Curiel was a “Mexican” (he is not) he had an “inherent conflict of interest” and was, therefore, unable to render a fair judgment–along with Trump dabbling in more crazy conspiracy theories (Vince Foster was murdered!) and now suggesting that the president is either connected to/sympathetic with Islamic terrorists–are all simply the latest additions to the same script.

Republicans now have to struggle with the realization of what they have done, the nature of the man their party has nominated, and the coming political catastrophe. It is a very painful time for the party of Lincoln.
On no! A single Bloomberg poll has Trump five points closer to Hillary than Bush was to Dukakis more than a month later in 1988! What a coming catastrophe!

Dukakis Lead Widens, According to New Poll
Published: July 26, 1988

In the aftermath of the Democratic National Convention, the party's nominee, Michael S. Dukakis, has expanded his lead among registered voters over Vice President Bush, the probable Republican nominee, according to a Gallup Poll.

This was among the findings of a national public opinion poll of 948 registered voters conducted late last week for Newsweek magazine by the Gallup Organization. The telephone interviews took place on July 21, which was the last night of the convention, and on the night after that.

Fifty-five percent of the 948 registered voters interviewed in the poll said they preferred to see Mr. Dukakis win the 1988 Presidential election, while 38 percent said they preferred to see Mr. Bush win.


First they said he couldn't win the nomination. Now they say he can't win the election. Just watch and learn, grasshoppers. Watch and learn.

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142 Comments:

Anonymous Viking June 17, 2016 1:19 PM  

If you simply assume the exact opposite of what the media claims is the truth, you will be right I would say 80% of the time. Just a guess but it has worked well for me so far.

Blogger bob k. mando June 17, 2016 1:20 PM  

as Limbaugh has noted for a long time, this push polling is an attempt to drive the narrative and create an impression of "inevitable defeat" for the Republicans which they've been doing practically every election cycle since at least Reagan / Carter.

they normally start fading out the psy-ops as they get close to the actual elections ... when their polls have to bear SOME correspondence to reality when people actually cast their votes or it starts to get too blatant for everyone to ignore what they're doing.

Blogger Johnny June 17, 2016 1:21 PM  

Pardon me for not reading the article. I don't take these polls seriously any more. Many are not an effort to discover but to drive public opinion.

Anonymous Elipe June 17, 2016 1:21 PM  

I also notice that in almost 30 years, I have never been asked to participate in any of these polls.

Hmm...

Anonymous dh June 17, 2016 1:21 PM  

National polls are meaningless.

Anonymous BGKB June 17, 2016 1:26 PM  

I also notice that in almost 30 years, I have never been asked to participate in any of these polls.

I guess you haven't gone to any gay pride events, there are people that hand out fliers for jobs that wont tell you what types of jobs they are hiring for.

Anonymous Reel Gee June 17, 2016 1:27 PM  

Veteran GOP campaign operative goes on tweetstorm about Trump, laying into the GOP for getting behind this buffoon:

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/rick-wilson-epic-never-trump-tweetstorm


 Quote


4/ Your off the record sniping and grumbling is no substitute for moral courage. That's so DC.



5/ You won't escape the stain. It's like a big, visible "No Ragrets" chest tat that will mark your careers forever.

It was difficult to pick a favorite one.

Anonymous Philalethes June 17, 2016 1:28 PM  

The science is settled!

Blogger David-2 June 17, 2016 1:28 PM  

Exactly what explains Paul Ryan's utterances since Trump won the votes for nomination? I can sort of understand his resistance long before Trump was the clear frontrunner, I can almost understand his resistance up to the last minute before he won, but what about now? (I'm looking for an answer a bit deeper than a simple "because he's a cuck" because even most of them have a sense of reality/inevitability/self-preservation that would prevent them from actively opposing Trump at this late date.)

Blogger Josh June 17, 2016 1:29 PM  

Trump is turning Utah and Kansas blue, the man is truly a miracle worker.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 17, 2016 1:34 PM  

The only weapon they have is to try and discourage those who support Donald Trump. Hoping it will cause folks to stay home on election day. This is why I fully support your ban on posts that do nothing but counsel despair.

Even if Donald Trump is not elected, the tide has turned. I believe the greatest victory for Christian Civilization since Jan Sobieski routed the Turks at the gates of Vienna is upon us. We must not falter now.

Anonymous Ryan June 17, 2016 1:35 PM  

It's amusing to hear the pundits offering advice to Trump.

This is akin to

a) a tattooed landwhale advising Roosh on pickup techniques.
b) a toothpick armed nerd advising Mike Tyson on how to fight.
c) a fat couch potato giving advice to Usain Bolt on improving his times.


Looks to me as though he doesn't need their advice. Or their polls. Or their opinions. Or their predictions. Just sayin.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 17, 2016 1:35 PM  

It's all about trying to inject enough courage into the party insiders that they'll revolt against the voters at the convention. "Trust us, if you dump Trump, you can still get back in our good graces and be respectable losers again. And hey, look at these numbers; you might not lose as badly that way!"

The GOP insiders who are playing their woe-is-us part aren't very good at hiding their glee at the prospect of Trump losing to Hillary, even as they wring their hands and "warn" us of it.

Blogger Dave June 17, 2016 1:36 PM  

The hope that he’ll flip the switch and become more “presidential,” more unifying, and less repulsive just isn’t happening.

Hillary is more deserving of this statement, however there is no switch in the known universe that would make her less repulsive.

OpenID dc123884-8321-11e5-a9c5-a3b429e4d26a June 17, 2016 1:36 PM  

Don't Dukakis in a Bush.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian June 17, 2016 1:43 PM  

Trump is turning Utah and Kansas blue, the man is truly a miracle worker.

Stop jumping around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots!

The Mormons are a bunch of fucked cucks. Didn't take as long as #SBC16.

Anonymous FAILBOAT June 17, 2016 1:43 PM  

He will try to pump (primary) and dump (general) the alt-right. He likely sees the alt right in American politics as a desperate fat chick who will embarrass herself when an attractive jock slips her a 'im secretly in love with you' before going into the locker room to laugh about it with his buddies.

Just look at his change on gun control.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian June 17, 2016 1:46 PM  

Trolls ask me, "Conservative? What have you conserved?" Ha! Need I remind you that, under Obama, we successfully renewed the PATRIOT Act?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian June 17, 2016 1:47 PM  

I can think of nothing more frightening than having a president in charge of nuclear weapons who *doesn't* want war with Russia. #NeverTrump

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian June 17, 2016 1:49 PM  

VD:

If you aren't following:

AsianConservativeMan ‏@aconman_

You really need to be. He is up there with Ricky Vaughn

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian June 17, 2016 1:50 PM  

and everyone should be following: https://twitter.com/ConanTCimmerian

Blogger Salt June 17, 2016 1:52 PM  

Yeah, and everyone was so damn sure the Panthers would win.

Blogger Cory S June 17, 2016 1:53 PM  

Please be right!!!!!!

Anonymous Broken Arrow June 17, 2016 1:55 PM  

NRO is basically jumping for joy and talking about how the GOP base deserves it if Trump loses. They hate their own base and always have, and a Jeb or Hillary presidency will be almost identical. Actually, a Hillary one might be better for the GOP as they will rally against her at least occasionally.

Anonymous Goodnight June 17, 2016 2:01 PM  

Real Gee, Wilson also tweeted this:

6/ Go public. Man up. Show courage. Say what's in your hearts; he's insane. He's poison. He's doomed. He's killing the Party.

He really misses the point. Killing the party is the reason most of us voted for the Trumpening in the first place.

Anonymous Broken Arrow June 17, 2016 2:03 PM  

Even if Trump takes FL, PA, and NM he's still short by ten if things are like 2012. He has a tough road ahead. The EC is simply stacked in the Democrats favor now.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 17, 2016 2:08 PM  

Broken Arrow wrote:if things are like 2012.

That's a mighty big if.
Do you have any evidence that it will be? Or is that just a naked assertion?

OpenID frankluke June 17, 2016 2:10 PM  

@24 Actually, a Hillary one might be better for the GOP as they will rally against her at least occasionally.

Naw. They'll just bend over like they have for Obama for the last 8 years. Don't want to be called "sexists" now do they?

Blogger Were-Puppy June 17, 2016 2:10 PM  

@7 Reel Gee

Rick Wilson is a pathetic Cuck.

"In the course of his Twitter rant, Wilson coined a new nickname for Trump, "Cheeto Jesus," which fast became a meme."

I'm not on Twitter, but I could destroy this meme with ease. The real Cheeto Jesus is Blubberin' Beck. End of conversation :P

Blogger Cail Corishev June 17, 2016 2:11 PM  

Apparently it's impossible for mainstream conservatives/Republicans to believe that we really don't care if Hillary wins if the alternative is yet another GOPe traitor. We've been telling them just that for months, but I guess they think we're bluffing, so if they can just convince us Trump can't win, we'll fold and throw in with the Republican drone behind door number three.

Anonymous Smile Of The Shadow June 17, 2016 2:11 PM  

It's very simple: Create a narrative to keep Trump supporters from the polls by whatever means necessary. His campaign is about "winning", paint him as a loser. Lie, lie, lie.

Anonymous Broken Arrow June 17, 2016 2:13 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Broken Arrow wrote:if things are like 2012.

That's a mighty big if.

Do you have any evidence that it will be? Or is that just a naked assertion?


I always start with the previous unless there's good reason to throw away the past. I haven't seen enough polling at the state level to say that this election is turning everything upside down in battleground states. But really we will know in August. Historically very little as changed between August and November in state polling.

Blogger praetorian June 17, 2016 2:14 PM  

The midwest is hispanicizing, republicucks are retreating.

Situation excellent, I am attacking.

Anonymous rienzi June 17, 2016 2:16 PM  

As I drove home from having voted in 2004, the radio burst out with the stunning news that exit polls confirmed John Kerry winning in a massive landslide.

Somehow, I've totally forgotten everything that happened during President Kerry's administration.

The (((mainstream media))) will continue to come up with BS polls right up and into election day.

Blogger exfarmkid June 17, 2016 2:16 PM  

4. Elipe "I also notice that in almost 30 years, I have never been asked to participate in any of these polls."

I've participated in a few political polls over the past 30 years. Just because you haven't, don't read a conspiracy into this. OTOH, you can legitimately criticize the phrasing of questions and the parameters of the questions because they suck in general.

Blogger Jourdan June 17, 2016 2:17 PM  

Those of us old enough to remember the Reagan campaigns can confirm that the D was hailed as having gigantic leads throughout and Reagan was cast as the latest incarnation of Hitler.

Blogger exfarmkid June 17, 2016 2:18 PM  

5. dh "National polls are meaningless."

You are correct, Sir.

Anonymous Orville June 17, 2016 2:18 PM  

You all are missing the point. It will be extremely easy for Trump to Dukakis the Bitch and ramp her negatives up +100. If the hapless liberal neocon thousand pinheads of light Bush could do it, then Trump a thousandfold.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 17, 2016 2:22 PM  

Oh yeah? Well at least Dukakis rode in a tank. What's Trump ever done?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 17, 2016 2:22 PM  

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Blogger Were-Puppy June 17, 2016 2:23 PM  

This is simple.

The press is like SJWs.

They are projecting.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 17, 2016 2:26 PM  

Broken Arrow wrote:I always start with the previous unless there's good reason to throw away the past.

There is one telling statistic that can't be faked. GOP Primary turnout this cycle is up 30% from previous (record-setting) years, and Dem turnout is down 20%.

I think this indicates a real shift in the populace, not just in enthusiasm. Yellow-Dog Democrats are finally giving up on the party. They may not become Repubs, but many no longer call themselves Dems. The GOP having someone actually trying to win their vote has brought a large number of uninvolved and apathetic voters involved on the GOP side.


I've read terms like "Monster" election and "Wave" election. I'm not clear on what specifically those mean, but it's pretty clear to me that this one is a change in pattern.

Blogger exfarmkid June 17, 2016 2:26 PM  

36. Jourdan "Those of us old enough to remember the Reagan campaigns can confirm that the D was hailed as having gigantic leads throughout and Reagan was cast as the latest incarnation of Hitler."

As I recall, Carter's smear strategy was working right up until he had that first debate with Reagan. All Reagan had to do was appear reasonable and he did so.

It's interesting that Carter still thinks he lost the election because John Anderson ran as an independent. The actual facts contradict this, of course.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 17, 2016 2:40 PM  

Reagan in the debate maintained frame and amused mastery "There you go again."

The SJW minions are the weak spot, too bad the conservatives play along with the game and waste their time with attacks on the SJW' religious cult leader and not the cultists themselves. If they did Obama would poll in the 20s.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2016 2:41 PM  

> Those of us old enough to remember the Reagan campaigns can confirm that the D was hailed as having gigantic leads throughout and Reagan was cast as the latest incarnation of Hitler.

Yep.

Blogger Anchorman June 17, 2016 2:45 PM  

Trump will need a national network to get the voters he needs registered. Many may have never registered or moved since and haven't voted.

His message hits home with a lot of voters who've stopped participating in elections because they've felt betrayed for decades.

Blogger Austin Ballast June 17, 2016 2:49 PM  

Yeah, all those who voted in the primary election are not eligible in the fall. Right?

Blogger Anchorman June 17, 2016 2:49 PM  

5/ You won't escape the stain. It's like a big, visible "No Ragrets" chest tat that will mark your careers forever.

I'll go with that.

Blogger Anchorman June 17, 2016 2:50 PM  



He needs strategic voter registration.

C'mon, man.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 17, 2016 2:55 PM  

Actually, according to RCP, Clinton has not gained ground over the last week since Trump was slightly ahead of her, but has remain stuck at 44%. Trump slid back to 39%, about where he was at the end of March before he secured the nomination, but that could be explained by the cucks slowly coming on board then bailing back out due to his realtalk on Curiel. Compared to the end of March, Clinton is actually doing worse by 6 points, while Trump is about the same.

Also, if Johnson and Stein are added, Clinton's advantage over Trump goes down a percentage point. Johnson takes votes from both about equally, while Stein hurts Clinton more.

There is one telling statistic that can't be faked. GOP Primary turnout this cycle is up 30% from previous (record-setting) years, and Dem turnout is down 20%.

@42 Snidely Whiplash
You'd think based upon what you hear that the Democrats are pulling in record crowds via Crazy Bernie. Not really. The nonwhites are lining up behind Clinton, but they're not nearly as enthusiastic about her as they were about Obozo.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2016 2:56 PM  

Remember that the only poll that counts is the one November 8th. Everything else is just theater.

Blogger GFR June 17, 2016 2:59 PM  

so two midterm landslides against obama are just "outliers" to you?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 17, 2016 2:59 PM  

Once we start putting the screws to the leftist voting individuals their enthusiasm will wane, a lot.

They are fair targets you know, and I mean in a mental and emotional way they can be easily crushed and mental and emotional crushing is the best crushing. Crushing is good, you white knighters take heed.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 17, 2016 3:07 PM  

Anchorman quoted the POS who wrote this crap:You won't escape the stain. It's like a big, visible "No Ragrets" chest tat that will mark your careers forever.

Funny, that's exactly how I see the #NeverTrump movement.

DO we need a list of #NeverTrump pundits and operatives? Just so we can rub their noses in it?

Anonymous krymneth June 17, 2016 3:09 PM  

It does strike me as at least a little concerning that the Orlando event seems to have been successfully spin as a downside for Trump. Independent of the issue of trusting polls, it makes me wonder if the media is figuring out how to really get him or something.

Still, the road is long and they're already done guaranteed "surprises" on store from the conventions, and the still-simmering legal issues for Hillary. To say nothing of potential health issues, which still strike me as a real possibility.

Blogger Tiny Tim June 17, 2016 3:17 PM  

This is meaningless until they debate each other.

Now Josh, you seem quite aroused by this news of Trumps inevitable demise?

Your gleeful gaiety seems misplaced.

Blogger GFR June 17, 2016 3:20 PM  

When Trump was doing well in the polls just a few weeks ago clinton was saying that polls are unreliable so far in advance.
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A couple of months ago the dems were claiming that hillary was inevitable. For some reason they are desperate to reestablish that narrative. but keeping hillary ahead in the polls for five months is going to be a tough row to hoe.
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I think they realize they have a dog of a candidate and they think that portraying her as inevitable is their only hope. unfortunately bernie strained that meme to the limit

Blogger Cail Corishev June 17, 2016 3:35 PM  

DO we need a list of #NeverTrump pundits and operatives? Just so we can rub their noses in it?

Good idea, but I'm not sure it's necessary. Hasn't every notable case been completely predictable? I don't think it'll be hard to remember.

The worst thing about Hillary winning would be that we'd never get a chance to see who was right about how Trump would act in office, so we spend the next umpteen years arguing over fantasies: "Oh yeah, Trump would have...." "No, he would have...." "You're crazy, he would have...."

Blogger Were-Puppy June 17, 2016 3:36 PM  

@54 Snidely Whiplash

DO we need a list of #NeverTrump pundits and operatives? Just so we can rub their noses in it?
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I thought some Cuck genius was keeping a list of Trump supporting press and personalities. If so, grab that list and anyone not on it is on the Trump Train no ride list.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 17, 2016 3:40 PM  

@57 GFR

I think they realize they have a dog of a candidate
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Cue the video :P

https://youtu.be/mr9LocllyFs

Anonymous LastRedoubt June 17, 2016 4:01 PM  

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Oh yeah? Well at least Dukakis rode in a tank. What's Trump ever done?

Trump will BUY a tank.

Anonymous SciVo June 17, 2016 4:02 PM  

My prediction:

Snobby pollsters balance the reputational risk of being wrong against the sting of being represented by a vulgarian, and wait longer than usual (at least September) before switching from persuasion to measurement.

Using 538's Swing the Election widget, with a candidate that non-college-educated whites can actually get excited about, it's reasonable to give them black turnout and Hispanic partisanship, even though that's +9% each. Then suppose that Hispanics swing even more on turnout and partisanship with +10% each, but college-educated whites skew a few points to the right.

Trump ultimately wins 50.1% of the popular vote and 352 electoral votes, but not on election night, because there are five state-tipping recounts and/or major criminal fraud investigations.

It ultimately goes down as the dirtiest and most disputed presidential election in American history. Trust in the system is shaken by the Hillary campaign's blatant disregard for every legal statute and moral principle.

This further delegitimizes FedGov in the eyes of the People -- including leftists, many of whom buy her Big Lie that the investigations were the real fraud. As tools of the global elite, SJWs ecstatically LARP '60s radicalism, yet push back hard against any efforts to end the Columbian Empire and return power to the States, because keeping men out of the girls' room is Literally Hitler.

Blogger Teri June 17, 2016 4:04 PM  

I have been arguing with a Cruz supporter that tried to tell me what a noble, honorable man Ted Cruz is. I just pointed out to her that Cruz signed a pledge to support the nominee and has yet to do that. That puts him in the company of Jeb, Lindsay, and Kasich, noble conservatives I. I like to call Ted Cruz dishonorable because that's what he is.

Blogger Josh June 17, 2016 4:11 PM  

Now Josh, you seem quite aroused by this news of Trumps inevitable demise?


No, tiny Tim, you can't suck my dick.

Blogger Dave June 17, 2016 4:15 PM  

Oh yeah? Well at least Dukakis rode in a tank. What's Trump ever done?

More supermodels.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2016 4:23 PM  

> Hasn't every notable case been completely predictable?

I thought better of George Will. But then he is a baseball fan, so there was that indication that not all was right.

Anonymous AltTrash June 17, 2016 4:26 PM  

Actually, Tump is behind by 7, 10, 9, and 5 in 4 polls.

Plus, Bush' favor ability ratings were not plummeting in '88 at this point in the campaign. Also, Bush had a campaign in place. Trump doesn't. Also, Bush had a better fundraising machine than his opponent in '88. Trump doesn't. Plus, sanders hasn't endorsed Hillary yet...and he will.

You can't expect to compete in a national election when 70% view you as unfavorable, when you can't win the support of your party, when you can't demonstrate a grasp of basic issues and when the media doesn't take you seriously.

And if you want a real keen insight into why Trump is unfit to be president, consider that he is planning to campaign in New York. That's a sign of a candidate with no sense of reality.

Blogger Tiny Tim June 17, 2016 4:40 PM  

Josh: "No, tiny Tim, you can't suck my dick."

My boy Josh requesting homosexual sex.

It's official, he's out.



Blogger Dave June 17, 2016 4:46 PM  

What was that guy's name, Matt Edwards? Matt is that you?

Anonymous JustBob June 17, 2016 4:51 PM  

Total Voters- Bush (2000), McCain, Romney ~ 20 million;

Trump = 30 million.

Trump's numbers are an outlier according to GraphPad (http://graphpad.com/quickcalcs/Grubbs1.cfm).

If we assume the extreme that the additional 10 million voters were for Trump, then Trump would have around ~ 3 million votes out of the 20 million establishment voters (2000, 2008, 2012), putting him at about 1/2 the support level of McCain (corresponding to ~ 1/4 establishment voters supporting Trump).

At the other extreme, if the 10 million additional voters were anti-Trump then the 13 million votes for Trump/20 million avg voters ~ 65% support from the establishment voters (avg from 2000, 2008. 2012).

I also find it curious that those un-endorsing Trump like Kirk are less conservative than Elizabeth Warren (Heritage Action Score).

Numbers from: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/trump-trumps-wins-historic-race-record-fashion/






http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/trump-trumps-wins-historic-race-record-fashion/

Anonymous WinstonWebb June 17, 2016 4:54 PM  

You can't expect to compete in a national election when 70% view you as unfavorable,

More bullshit from AltTrash.
Reagan was in the low 30's in 1983 and beat the living hell out of Mondale in '84.

Blogger Josh June 17, 2016 5:01 PM  


Just look at his change on gun control.


IMMIGRATION* IS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT MATTERS!!!

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 17, 2016 5:05 PM  

That Dukakis tank ad was so freaking funny. It was just footage of him going around and around the test field, looking like Jon Lovitz in a tard helmet, sucking on a lemon, while a scroll of opposed Cold War hardware just kept running. Bush the Elder's high rhetorical watermark.

Blogger Nigel McPhearson June 17, 2016 5:06 PM  

Pantywaist progressive journalist/political operative gets massively triggered at trump rally and tweets. Unintentionally reads like a pro trump article.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/nc-trump-rally-account-scariest-thing

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 17, 2016 5:13 PM  

I'm gonna add some complexity to my prediction that Trump wins in a landslide. Muslim terrorism in America is going to pick up right before the election, and then he wins in a landslide. To paraphrase Kratman, this religion's adherents have a perfect sense of catastrophic timing.

I don't think this is just bad luck or coincidence. Rather, I believe the polygamy implicit in the culture produces a large number of Gamma and Omega males (to counterbalance the polygamous patriarchs) whose rage-quits have been channeled into extremism for so long that it's become a psychologically hard-wired cultural institution.

I believe this is what produces this particular sort of cultural dysfunction, and why it will become worse as the election approaches. It's pre-rational.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 17, 2016 5:14 PM  

The funniest bit was that the footage itself had been shot by the Democrats and they wanted it destroyed, but the GOP got hold of it and aired it unedited except for a voiceover.

That's right: the Dem's bankrolled their own suicidal killshot. I remember high school football players screwing off in practice, putting helmets on backward and saying "I drivin' a tank!"

I might have been one in fact.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 17, 2016 5:17 PM  

This is in addition to the increase in chimp-outs due to emotional incontinence in other demographics.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker June 17, 2016 5:49 PM  

Forget about the polls for now. Remember: The American media's reputation is lower than whale shit. Keep your eyes on levels of attendance at Trump's public rallies. Any noticeable declines or increases in attendance will tell us whether he's still got his mojo working, or not.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 17, 2016 5:58 PM  

Considering I recall elections back to 1976. I do not recall ever a candidate being fought against so hard by the establishment of his own party.

Never has there been a presidential candidate that has never held office before (other than successful military commanders). Even William Jennings Bryan in 1896 was a prior congressman. This campaign is different than any I have lived through.

Trump is unique and while I cannot speak for the nation outside of PA, I can say in the bluish state he has a very good chance of winning. It is because of his nonconventional nature. When I look at Michigan, North Carolina, Wisconsin I see the same thing, there has not been a republican candidate who had such appeal to working white class and middle class folks since Ronald Reagan. The fights against him by the republican party leadership will help him in November, not hurt him. These democratic leaning folks see him fighting the republican they do not like and it allows them to support him, why do you suppose he has so much black support?

At the end I think he wins with over 51% of the population and at least 290 electoral votes. That is based on simply projecting the primary votes into the general and it is likely the independents will favor trump 58/42, it could be a lot better. The polls now do not ring true, it seems as if they are attempting to push opinions, just like the managed to suddenly find 60 primary votes for Hillary one day before the California primary. Where did they come from? It was a blatant attempt to prevent any possibility of an upset in California and the entire press establishment went along with it, not one outlet pointed out it was a blatant attempt at vote fixing.

If they would do that, and the Press went along with it, they will publish false polls to attempt to dissuade folks from supporting trump. What I see here is the more they push, the more folks who support him dig in their heals, it is Trump or bust.

I want to see Ryan out on his ass. I want to see every one of these disloyal republicans thrown out on their ass. I want to see the prostitute republican writers all broke and a new set come to the forefront. I will not (and I suggest none of you) lose hope, this election is likely to be the most entertaining and hard fought one of our life. What comes next will be even more interesting.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 17, 2016 6:18 PM  

The Japanese-esque video is hilarious. Do morons like all trash read Slate convince themselves they have received the wisdom of the ages and everyone except two dozen right wingers is imbued with Lefty non-grace even if they have false consciousness from muh patriarchy

And the comment above about mooslim gamma, omegas Yep

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr June 17, 2016 6:20 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:Considering I recall elections back to 1976. I do not recall ever a candidate being fought against so hard by the establishment of his own party....

Trump is unique and while I cannot speak for the nation outside of PA, I can say in the bluish state he has a very good chance of winning. It is because of his nonconventional nature. When I look at Michigan, North Carolina, Wisconsin I see the same thing, there has not been a republican candidate who had such appeal to working white class and middle class folks since Ronald Reagan. The fights against him by the republican party leadership will help him in November, not hurt him.

I concur. I'm old enough to remember the 1976 campaign - the GOPe HATED Reagan with a passion. Detested him.

But Reagan appealed to the blue-collar Democrats the Left was abandoning even then, and crushed his opponents. I suspect Trump will do the same.

Personal "likeability" scores? Trump will run ON those, pointing out that he's not running for Chief Drinking Buddy, but for Chief Executive.

What bugs me the most is that the GOPe refuses to ask how Trump got this close to the nomination. If they did, they would have to face the fact that he got there on policy, not just rhetoric. A more polished campaigner could take Trump's platform and crush the Democrats with it.

Blogger John S June 17, 2016 6:25 PM  

Ironically, we may have been better off with Dukakis. Doubt that pussy would have kicked off the endless Gulf Wars, leading to the current flood of Muslim migrants into Europe.

The Bush family's "invade the world, invite the world" policy has gone a long way to destroying the future of western civilization. I hope there's an especially unpleasant section of hell reserved for them.

Blogger LonestarWhacko June 17, 2016 6:49 PM  

Trump's going to win going away. Media whores are trying their very best. I figure most people have already decided to vote for Trump. Now, what they will admit to is another thing entirely. One more terrorist massacre, or better yet, armed citizens fighting off and killing the next bunch. Yeah, don't really believe there was just one shooter.

Anonymous Eric the Red June 17, 2016 6:49 PM  

When Trump wins the election, will Obama use that as an excuse to declare martial law?

Blogger JWM in SD June 17, 2016 6:51 PM  

Paul Ryan today: We will sue hypothetical President Trump if he bans muslim immigration and anything else that is outside the power of Presidency.

Hey Paul, uh yeah, the thing is that enforcing immigration law is entirely within the power of the Executive Office. What is not, however, is allowing unvetted Muslims to illegally enter the country. Yeah, what happened to the articles of impeachment for Obama a few months ago? Yeah...that's what I thought.

Anonymous BGKB June 17, 2016 7:02 PM  

Veteran GOP campaign operative goes on tweetstorm about Trump, laying into the GOP for getting behind

TRUMP triggers CUCKS, Traitors, & Israel Firsters more than he does liberals

Just look at his change on gun control.

TRUMP has set traps for people to fall into the entire campaign. This is like all the CUCKS saying women shouldn't face any consequences for breaking a law if abortion was illegal.

It does strike me as at least a little concerning that the Orlando event seems to have been successfully spin as a downside for Trump

Do shitlibs outside the gay community really buy that it was the fault of STR8 white church going Christian men & the tranny bathroom bill? TPTB had to end the autocomplete for #gaysfortrump when they banned MILO.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2016 7:03 PM  

> You can't expect to compete in a national election when 70% view you as unfavorable...

We'll find out in November, won't we.

... when you can't win the support of your party...

Trump has the overwhelming support of his party amongst voters.

> ... when you can't demonstrate a grasp of basic issues ...

A grasp of the issues better than Hillary "private email server with classified information on it", "let's take guns from law abiding citizens to protect them from terrorists" Clinton?

...and when the media doesn't take you seriously.

The media didn't take either or George W. Bush seriously. They both won two terms.

> ...consider that he is planning to campaign in New York. That's a sign of a candidate with no sense of reality.

You really are rather dim or you think we are. It's called forcing your opponent to expend resources in areas they didn't want to.

> Keep your eyes on levels of attendance at Trump's public rallies. Any noticeable declines or increases in attendance will tell us whether he's still got his mojo working, or not.

I'd expect a significant decline since San Jose. You would go someplace you can expect to be physically assault and the police do nothing to protect you but will arrest you if you defend yourself?

That doesn't mean they won't vote for Trump.

> I want to see Ryan out on his ass.

If Trump is elected he won't be able to keep himself from attacking him, and he'll lose the primary in 2018. He's already said they'll sue Trump if he tries to stop immigration. Strange how they didn't do that with Carter.

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2016 7:04 PM  

...either Reagan or George W...

Anyway, AltTrash, cash those checks while they're still good.

Blogger ray June 17, 2016 7:07 PM  

Grasshoppers? The Dark Lord ain't enuf. Now Ted thinks he's The Master. (((lol)))

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2016 7:14 PM  

> Grasshoppers? The Dark Lord ain't enuf. Now Ted thinks he's The Master. (((lol)))

Have you ever examined his forearms? How do you know he isn't?

Blogger Samuel Nock June 17, 2016 7:16 PM  

If Hillary chooses Bernie as VP, it will be the biggest challenge and set back for Trump yet.

In terms of policies and principles, Bernie would be better off as Trump's VP. But Sanders is already responding to overtures from Hillary.

Anonymous Discard June 17, 2016 7:17 PM  

I've ridden in a tank. Any of Trump's women are a better ride, in my opinion.

Blogger Teri June 17, 2016 7:21 PM  

@79, what I see are people beginning to be a tiny bit more courageous and hopeful. Maybe, just maybe, we don't have to take this shit. I don't think that the GOP "conservatives" understand that we are choosing sides. Their side lost. They can come play on our team, or they can be out. Permanently.

Blogger Teri June 17, 2016 7:23 PM  

Oh, and I saw a PBS special on Dukakis a few weeks ago. They said that Dukakis was just a red blooded guy that wanted to ride in a tank. No one gave a thought to what he would look like, until he started riding around in it. That's when they panicked. He was still a bit sheepish about it.

Blogger Roger G2 June 17, 2016 7:44 PM  

Dukakis+M1 Abrams= good times.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 17, 2016 7:50 PM  

SciVo wrote:keeping men out of the girls' room is Literally Hitler.
It's times like this that I wish I could draw.  NOTHING could destroy the rhetorical value of "Nazi" more than a bunch of cartoons showing things like Adolf himself holding up his hand to stop a guy in a dress with a 2-day stubble from following a little girl into the ladies' room, and captioned "Transphobic?  NAZI!"  Ditto faggot wedding cakes.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 17, 2016 8:01 PM  

There once was a candidate named Trump.

Trying to get the country out of an economic slump

Some thought he would lose

but he beat out Ted Cruz

Now his poll numbers vs Hillary need a bump and/or a jump

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 17, 2016 8:11 PM  

Don't you love the see Paul Ryan, who can't bend over fast enough to fellate Bathhouse Barry-O at every single opportunity to do so, threatening to sue a prospective President Trump? In a sane country, a jackass like Paul Ryan would be lucky to find a low-pay job selling crappy used cars. Instead he took over from Weepin' Johnny, who was possibly even more revolting (though it gets really hard to tell at this point). Now a real God-Emperor could make Ryan's head into a wine-goblet the next time he opens his mouth to utter something he's channeling some treason from Soros or Zuckerberg.

Anonymous BGKB June 17, 2016 8:30 PM  

Trump is unique and while I cannot speak for the nation outside of PA, I can say in the bluish state

Bathhouse Barry only won 3 counties in PA & had voter fraud in Philly.

I want to see Ryan out on his ass. I want to see him cry like Boehner.

Blogger Austin Ballast June 17, 2016 8:32 PM  

Just watched Trump's Dallas rally footage. He is definitely ADHD, but he always seemed to return to his point.

My wife has fully converted from Cruz to Trump. I would guess that many more are like that. His only bad stuff was not seeing legal immigration as a problem too, but one battle at a time.

Josh,

You have to stop immigration or you won't have gun rights. The same is true of many other things.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 17, 2016 8:33 PM  

Don't you love to see Paul Ryan ... threatening to sue a prospective President Trump?

Nothing bad can come of Republicans continuing to expose themselves as elitist, globalist traitors.

Anonymous andon June 17, 2016 9:37 PM  

@ Cail

they're confident that you cant touch them. I don't think it was an accident what paul ryan said. it was him giving the middle finger to people who know what's been going on these last 7 years

Blogger Were-Puppy June 17, 2016 9:41 PM  

@84 Eric the Red
When Trump wins the election, will Obama use that as an excuse to declare martial law?
---

How will he enforce martial law?

Blogger James Dixon June 17, 2016 9:42 PM  

> they're confident that you cant touch them.

I'm sure Eric Cantor felt the same way.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 17, 2016 9:46 PM  

@97 Gen. Kong

Now a real God-Emperor could make Ryan's head into a wine-goblet the next time he opens his mouth to utter something he's channeling some treason from Soros or Zuckerberg.
---

A real God-Emperor would make goblets out of all three of their heads

Blogger Were-Puppy June 17, 2016 9:50 PM  

I was talking to a nice old lady the other day.
She was not for Trump. And she had some kind of silly arguments.

1 - Trump is so crooked, and he lies all the time.
me - So what. I don't care.
her - *shock*

2 - he won't be able to do anything without the republicans on his side, if he wins.
me - so what? I don't care.

3 - You republicans are blah blah blah.
me - So what? I'm not a republican. I don't care.

She really didn't know how to handle someone who isn't stuck in the fake right vs left game :P

I was nice to her, and didn't push to much.

Blogger Craig Pepe June 17, 2016 10:07 PM  

There once was a candidate named Trump.

Trying to get the country out of an economic slump

When asked by the news

He said he never drinks booze

Now his poll numbers vs Hillary need a bump and/or a jump

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 17, 2016 11:11 PM  

Said the Trumpster, "By gosh or by god,
I'll become president by jihad!"
Then some moslem got bored
And Trump's poll numbers soared
To lose now he'd have to be a clod.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 17, 2016 11:43 PM  

Reference:  https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283961-poll-clintons-lead-over-trump-slipping-since-orlando

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2016 12:03 AM  

@19

War with Russia... you are truly an idiot.

10,000 mile supply line through attack-sub-infested waters.

What is your goal here -- to completely wipe out the US Army and US Marine Corps for anything more challenging than "change of command" ceremonies?

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2016 12:15 AM  

@54

"DO we need a list of #NeverTrump pundits and operatives? Just so we can rub their noses in it?"


Oh yes, an http://nevertrumplist.com/ would be great.

Let's see.

Lowry
Bill Kristol
David French

If their motivation is fear of shaming (which the left engages in constantly) then lets hit them with our own shaming campaign.

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 18, 2016 12:17 AM  

@ 109 Akulkis

Conan the Cimmerian is doing bad satire.
But that does raise a question, what the hell is wrong with Western "leaders"?!?!

Russia can nuke every square inch of landmass on the planet.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2016 12:38 AM  

@84

"When Trump wins the election, will Obama use that as an excuse to declare martial law?"

He doesn't dare -- he knows quite well that the military would remove him from office ASAP, and probably put him in the docket for a court-martial on charges of Treason.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2016 12:52 AM  

@94

"Oh, and I saw a PBS special on Dukakis a few weeks ago. They said that Dukakis was just a red blooded guy that wanted to ride in a tank. No one gave a thought to what he would look like, until he started riding around in it. That's when they panicked. He was still a bit sheepish about it."

As if you can trust the Democrat-run Party Broadcasting to Service affiliates to tell the truth when producing anything.

If Dukakis "just wanted a ride in a tank", then why was there a reporter in JUST the right place to fill the frame using a long-focal-length lens, with the M-1 driving STRAIGHT AT the camera man?

If might have been a spontaneous idea, but there were obvious preparations made for the accompanying press to "get a photo-op"

Anonymous VFM 8859 June 18, 2016 12:55 AM  

They have an arrogant white, filthy rich, bitch, who is screeching "Y'all OWE me this!".

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2016 12:55 AM  

@96 Mr. Rational wrote:SciVo wrote:keeping men out of the girls' room is Literally Hitler.

It's times like this that I wish I could draw.  NOTHING could destroy the rhetorical value of "Nazi" more than a bunch of cartoons showing things like Adolf himself holding up his hand to stop a guy in a dress with a 2-day stubble from following a little girl into the ladies' room, and captioned "Transphobic?  NAZI!"  Ditto faggot wedding cakes.


I can. When I get it done, I'll scan it and get it to VOX.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 18, 2016 12:56 AM  

Meta:  The "?showcomment" garbage has re-appeared in the comment permalinks in this thread.  Is this deliberate?

Blogger Tom Kratman June 18, 2016 1:05 AM  

Dukakis....ahhhh, Mike the Greek. You know, he really used to ride the Boston subway to the office. Which leads to an interesting story:

So I was shooting the shit with the brigade commander several months prior to the 88 election. He's talking about the disaster of a Democratic win.

Me: "Oh, I dunno, sir; I'd kind of like Dukakis to win."
Him, grasping his chest at the encroaching heart attack: "Wha...WHA…WHAT!?!?!"
Me: "Well, part of me does. See, way back around 1970 or so I hooked school and went to watch the debates at the State House on Beacon Hill. Boston Latin was a highly political school, self consciously so, and you could get away with hooking about once a year, maybe twice, to further your own political education. So I saw Dukakis arguing in favor of a bill for the state to impose itself to prevent Massachusetts boys from being drafted. About a week later I saw him riding the subway, walked up, stared down at him, and said, "You communist cocksucker." He stared down at the floor, half fear, half shame. I was only 13, not big, and still bigger than he was. So think about it; Dukakis wins and I am the only serving officer in the Regular Army to have called the President of the United States a communist cocksucker to his face..."

Blogger Tom Kratman June 18, 2016 1:09 AM  

Dukakis....ahhhh, Mike the Greek. You know, he really used to ride the Boston subway to the office. Which leads to an interesting story:

So I was shooting the shit with the brigade commander several months prior to the 88 election. He's talking about the disaster of a Democratic win.

Me: "Oh, I dunno, sir; I'd kind of like Dukakis to win."
Him, grasping his chest at the encroaching heart attack: "Wha...WHA…WHAT!?!?!"
Me: "Well, part of me does. See, way back around 1970 or so I hooked school and went to watch the debates at the State House on Beacon Hill. Boston Latin was a highly political school, self consciously so, and you could get away with hooking about once a year, maybe twice, to further your own political education. So I saw Dukakis arguing in favor of a bill for the state to impose itself to prevent Massachusetts boys from being drafted. About a week later I saw him riding the subway, walked up, stared down at him, and said, "You communist cocksucker." He stared down at the floor, half fear, half shame. I was only 13, not big, and still bigger than he was. So think about it; Dukakis wins and I am the only serving officer in the Regular Army to have called the President of the United States a communist cocksucker to his face..."

Anonymous AltRight June 18, 2016 1:10 AM  

"When Trump wins the election, will Obama use that as an excuse to declare martial law?"

The more interesting question is how will trump declare victory when he gets obliterated by a girl on election night. That should be a hoot.

And I just saw Trump up by a mere 2 points in....wait for it...TEXAS!!! We may be looking at 1984 all over again.

Anonymous Yay Trump June 18, 2016 1:21 AM  

AltRight, that is a poll from last September, before voting started. There's been no recent Texas polling for Trump/Clinton.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 18, 2016 2:05 AM  

Re comment links... never mind, my misteak [sic].

Blogger John Williams June 18, 2016 3:32 AM  

The Union tards in MI will vote for whoever their bosses tell them to. Why else would a bunch of pro-gun, pro-hunting, pro-military, pro-America, pro-marriage guys constantly elect anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-military, unamerican, gay marriage politicians?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis June 18, 2016 3:52 AM  

@86

Do shitlibs outside the gay community really buy that it was the fault of STR8 white church going Christian men & the tranny bathroom bill? TPTB had to end the autocomplete for #gaysfortrump when they banned MILO.

Even in the gay community fractures are showing, if the preponderance of "I am gay but I can't support Hillary after the democrats betrayed me..." op_eds that are cropping up plus the near tripling of membership in organizations like the pink pistols.

Blogger Akulkis June 18, 2016 5:09 AM  

@124

"The Union tards in MI will vote for whoever their bosses tell them to. Why else would a bunch of pro-gun, pro-hunting, pro-military, pro-America, pro-marriage guys constantly elect anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-military, unamerican, gay marriage politicians?"

Flint, MI (birthplace of the UAW) is thick with Trump lawn signs. BlackDetroitopia is, as usual, completely unaware that politics even exist until a week before the general.

Blogger James Dixon June 18, 2016 7:23 AM  

> And I just saw Trump up by a mere 2 points in....wait for it...TEXAS!!! We may be looking at 1984 all over again.

Entirely possible. The republicans swept the map that year too.

> BlackDetroitopia is, as usual, completely unaware that politics even exist until a week before the general.

At which point they'll vote for the free cigarettes and drugs.

Blogger guest June 18, 2016 9:47 AM  

Whooo whoooooo! This election cycle is going to be a barn-burner. I've ordered a bulk supply of popcorn to get me through it. Michael Dukakis. Google his name and his great debate still pops up.

Dukakis' Deadly Response--Time mag
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1844704_1844706_1844712,00.html

"Massachusetts Governor Mike Dukakis didn't exactly charm his way into voters' hearts during the 1988 debates with his response about whether he would support the death penalty should his wife, Kitty, be raped and murdered. A longtime opponent of the death penalty, Dukakis responded to the startling question from CNN's Bernard Shaw, "No, I don't, Bernard, and I think you know that I've opposed the death penalty during all of my life. I don't see any evidence that it's a deterrent and I think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime." While some criticized the fairness of the question, to viewers the answer seemed both dispassionate and dismissive. Years later, Dukakis would recall his response, saying, "I have to tell you, and maybe I'm just still missing it ... I didn't think it was that bad."

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 18, 2016 10:44 AM  

Mother Jones AND the establishment GOP oppose this guy? Wow, he must be pretty good. Are the NYT and National Review both against him? Because that would really convince me...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 18, 2016 10:46 AM  

Signaling his allegiance to the donors/ establishment GOP/ deep state/ legacy media, positioning himself for to get support for a 2020 run.

Anonymous mature craig June 18, 2016 11:03 AM  

There once was a candidate named Clinton.... .The internet she wasnt inventin... in the right place was her heart...her logic is sometimes not smart... Talk show hosts want her in jail for reasons im not gettin

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 18, 2016 11:41 AM  

Signaling his allegiance to the donors/ establishment GOP/ deep state/ legacy media, positioning himself for to get support for a 2020 run.

Anonymous unadorned June 18, 2016 2:40 PM  

Those who claim Trump has changed his views on gun control could you please give me a cite.
I know that he said he wanted to meet with NRA. He thinks people who are on the terrorist watch list should be prevented from buying a gun. This seems sensible. There are, after all, federal laws prohibiting felons and the mentally ill from possessing guns.
Has Trump said more than this?

Anonymous unadorned June 18, 2016 2:43 PM  

Mature craig, you sometimes sound like a stealth liberal.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 18, 2016 2:54 PM  

Are the NYT and National Review both against him?

NR was one of the earliest establishment conservative mouthpieces to come out against him.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 18, 2016 3:16 PM  

Unadorned:

The right to arms is fundamental. At a bare minimum, it requires judicial action, the presentation and weighing of evidence, and a verdict, to interfere with. The no fly list is unreviewed bureaucratic bullshit, and totally insufficient to impinge a fundamental right. Moreover, if someone is on a terrorist watch list they should be dragged into court, even if only a martial court, and either be locked up as an enemy alien or expelled from the country. Unless, of course, we have sufficient evidence of treason for putting them to death, in which case, they should tried and then, upon finding of guilt, be properly Christianized. Otherwise, fuck it, it has no place in America.

Anonymous U Kno HU June 18, 2016 9:07 PM  

Kratman,
Robert E. Lee should have put to death, right ?

Anonymous Uno Hu June 18, 2016 9:14 PM  

This bullshit that the yankees play is just that,bullshit.
Get real, kratman.

Anonymous mature craig June 19, 2016 12:17 AM  

There once was a candidate named Clinton...looking at the sun would make her start squintin.. She wants taxes very high...2nd ammendment bye bye...and the capital of New Jersey I believe is Trenton

Anonymous Quartermaster June 19, 2016 7:51 AM  

@117
I had to laugh at that thought.

Blogger Craig Pepe June 19, 2016 12:43 PM  

there once was a candidate named Clinton
if she were a defensive coordinator she'd probly be blitzin
She seems to really like power
and she is not one to cower
and an ingredient in the breath mint Certs is something called retsyn

Blogger Tom Kratman June 19, 2016 5:27 PM  

Uno, you're an idiot. Indeed, beyond noting that, you're so much an idiot that you're not worth dealing with any further than noting you're an idiot.

Idiot.

Blogger B.J. June 20, 2016 4:44 PM  

I just assume all mainstream media is an attempt to create reality rather than to report it.

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