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Wednesday, June 15, 2016

Go with your gut

Looks like my first instinct was correct and the Orlando shooting appears to have been gay-on-gay:
Omar Mateen, the gunman who murdered 49 people in an Orlando gay club early Sunday morning, was a gay man himself according to multiple people who knew and had met the man.

A gay man who attended the police academy in 2006 with Mateen said that the pair went out to gay bars and that at one point Mateen told the man he wanted to pursue a relationship.

Meanwhile, multiple people are now coming forward to say that they had spoken with Mateen on gay hookup apps including Grindr and Jack'd.  

The attack, which many assumed was an act of Islamic extremism, now appears to possibly be tied to Mateen's own shame over his sexuality and investigators are now looking into this internal conflict as a possibly motive. 

The shooter's father, Seddique Mateen, made his beliefs on gay people very clear in a video he posted to Facebook on Monday saying 'homosexuals will be punished by God.'

ISIS meanwhile, the terrorist group some believe Mateen killed in the name of, executes gay men on a daily basis in horrific fashions.

'He's a homosexual and he was trying to pick up men,' said Jim Van Horn, who called Mateen a Pulse 'regular' and described his approach to chatting with people in the club.
Of course, this doesn't negate Islam as an additional motive; human beings are complicated creatures and seldom do anything for one and only one reason. But there is a genuine problem with the Muslim motive, as the Saker observes:
While most of us have now heard that Omar Mateen was a Muslim and that he had pledged allegiance to Daesh. It now turns out that he did pledged allegiance to both ISIS and Hezbollah! It might be useful to repeat here that while nominally both ISIS and Hezbollah are “Muslim”, the ISIS Takfiris consider Shia as kufars, as apostates, who betrayed true Islam and turned to idolatry. They also consider them “Iranian agents”. As for Hezbollah, they are The Number One (all in caps) enemy of Daesh/ISIS gang and they refer to these Takfiri maniacs as “devils” (shaitan). What this means is simple and leaves only a few options:

1) Either Omar Mateen knew nothing about Islam

2) Or Omar Mateen was coerced into making this statement and he deliberately made it absurd

3) Or Omar Mateen never said any such thing

Pick your favorite hypothesis, but what is darn certain is that the contents of his alleged statement leave the “Islamic theory” shattered into pieces. There is simply absolutely no way any real Muslim would simultaneously pledged allegiance to ISIS and Hezbollah at the same time.
Well, I suspect you might if you're an unbalanced, self-hating Muslim homosexual who knows considerably less about Islamic political theology than about the bathrooms of the Orlando gay clubs. Furthermore, the Saker clearly doesn't know much about the cruel reality of gay life, as he admits he doesn't "believe that homosexuals are more likely to commit violent crime than heterosexuals."

However, not only are gays more likely to commit violent crime, but when the violence of a murder is particularly over the top, the police and profilers usually assume, correctly, that the perpetrator is gay.

And all of this assumes, of course, that the Official Story is a reasonable approximation of the truth, which one can no longer reasonably assume these days.

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169 Comments:

Blogger Stilicho June 15, 2016 8:11 AM  

Cop/wannabe, Homeland Security contractor, Muslim, gay, ties to terrorists... if Obama had a son...

Blogger Nick S June 15, 2016 8:13 AM  

I pick an ammended #1. Most people who subscribe to any particular religion rarely know all the details of its various theological implications or maybe he just hated gay Beaners.

Blogger Shimshon June 15, 2016 8:15 AM  

"And all of this assumes, of course, that the Official Story is a reasonable approximation of the truth, which one can no longer reasonably assume these days."

If it was ever...

I'm still trying to understand how he got into the facility in the first place. Was there a security guard/off duty copy/armed goon at the entrance? Isn't an AR-14 (and all the ammo he carried) a little bit bulky?

I mean, we know cops are largely cowards (officer safely trumps all), not to speak of most civilians. Three hours outside, when it has literally been clear for years that "hostage crisis" is not a reasonable assumption in a mass shooting, and some unknown number shot.

Blogger Myles June 15, 2016 8:16 AM  

Make Islam Fabulous Again!

Anonymous Steve June 15, 2016 8:19 AM  

And all of this assumes, of course, that the Official Story is a reasonable approximation of the truth, which one can no longer reasonably assume these days.

Given the palpable desperation of the Left to turn the latest Islamic atrocity into a lecture about evil white Christian men with guns, I wouldn't be surprised if the self-hating gay angle was complete bollocks.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if it were true either. Moslems have a taste for buggery. In Islamic cultures little boys and farm animals are widely seen as fair game (with some exceptions - I believe the Taliban was quite anti-sodomy, at least before the invasion of Afghanistan).

Gay or straight, if you've got Islam you've got problems.

Anonymous BlueSwedeShoes June 15, 2016 8:23 AM  

I *think* martyrhood is a way to wash away sins in Islam. Hence all the criminals turning jihadi. That probably goes triple for a homo muslim.

[BGKB-bait]Plus, there are pretty boys served up like pearls in muslim paradise.[/BGKB-bait]

Blogger The Deuce June 15, 2016 8:23 AM  

Leave everything about this the same, but change Omar's religion to Christianity, and the media would be telling us his gay self-loathing proved the attack had EVERYTHING to do with his religion.

Blogger Josh June 15, 2016 8:25 AM  

We need a ban on high capacity assault gays

Blogger Stilicho June 15, 2016 8:27 AM  

AR 14? Is that an artifact of leftist confusion between a Mini 14 and an AR? (I'm assuming Shimshon committed a typo, but I have seen a few lefties talking about "AR 14's" over the last few days. Sounds like the haji used a mini 14 and the narrative is trying to work it into an AR ban.

Blogger Shimshon June 15, 2016 8:29 AM  

@9 Indeed it was a typo. I know how seriously the ilk take their weapons. Please forgive me.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 15, 2016 8:29 AM  

@5 Steve

I think you called it. It's bollocks.

First; Saker used "Daesh" to describe the ISIS Caliphate and a bunch of other words that are hard for westerners to pronounce. Prime indicator he only has a cursory knowledge of the subject but is trying sound soooper knowledgeable. (Incidentally the Caliphate doesn't use that term to describe itself and hasn't for years.) NPR does the same thing for the same reason. Color me unimpressed.

Second; the Hezbollah thing was just standard pro-Palestinian sentiment. Which was obvious enough if you looked at his wife's Facebook page. It was a pledge of support which is not the same thing as giving the "Baya'a" (fuck, now I'm doing it). Most of those groups are connected and inter-connected. It would have been a much bigger deal if was claiming to support both Al Queada and ISIS at the same time.

Third; Why in hell can't anyone take Mateen's word for the fact that he was indeed a Muslim Terrorist? I mean what else could the poor fucker do to prove it?

Fourth; Mateen was AFGHAN. The odds of him not going in for a bit of "boy-play" were zero. I honestly think the Pashtuns have a genetic predisposition for it.

Woman for duty.

Boy for pleasure.

Goat for ecstasy.

The thing is Pashtuns have no selective pressure against it.


Blogger Shimshon June 15, 2016 8:31 AM  

@11 If the intent were to give a shout out to the Palestinians, he would've mentioned Hamas, not Hezbollah.

OpenID denektenorsk June 15, 2016 8:31 AM  

Supreme Dark Lord,

I respect your opinion but on this you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

Everyone knows there are no gays in Islam. If you should find a gay in an Islamic country then he is definitely NOT a Muslim. Just to be sure he is usually tossed off the nearest roof once again ensuring there are no gays in Islam. 'Cos the straight white man oppressed them or something.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2016 8:32 AM  

This is also of course supposing it was a one man show. The motivations get considerably more complicated if there was more than one person involved.

Anonymous antipater_1 June 15, 2016 8:38 AM  

If it turns out that there were additional shooters or outside support for Mateen, that would eliminate the self hating gay angle.

Blogger Lazarus June 15, 2016 8:41 AM  

Pledging allegiance to ISIS AND Hezbollah would make sense if he was a schizo.

Speaking of which:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-14/here%E2%80%99s-what-fbi-was-doing-instead-catching-orlando-shooter


Here’s What The FBI Was Doing Instead Of Catching The Orlando Shooter


Out of the 508 terrorism-related cases since September 11, 2001, more often than not, the FBI has had a hand in creating the very terrorist threat they have claimed to be protecting us from. Two-hundred and forty-three of these cases involved an FBI informant. In many instances, the targets of these operations, who are later accused of plotting attacks, are not only almost always Muslim, but they are also often suffering from a mental illness, such as schizophrenia. Moreover, the targets are also vulnerable and easily susceptible to bribery as they are desperate for money – so desperate, it seems, they will help put their own friends behind bars.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2016 8:45 AM  

I don't care how they do it but the Left needs to double down on the gay angle.

Anonymous RobertL June 15, 2016 8:45 AM  

I've watched 3 Youtube videos this morning that make the whole thing look like more Boston Bombing/Charlie Hebdo shenanigans. It now looks like another fake. This one needs repeated watching, but its short and to the point. There's little need to get into the questions of how many people could be killed with an AR when you have pretty fake-looking injuries being carried towards the locus of a police operation.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2016 8:45 AM  

"that would eliminate the self hating gay angle."

no... it wouldn't eliminate it. It would just indicate that the recruiting arm of Islamic Murder inc. is far more skilled than currently believed.

Blogger Marsh June 15, 2016 8:47 AM  

He was casing Disney World and other locations. In the end he went w/ the place he was most familiar w/. It wouldn't have mattered if they were gays, children, men or women. (Although race might have played a role)

All that mattered was killing the infidels.

Anonymous Incurvatus June 15, 2016 8:49 AM  

Given what we know from Scripture about the spiritual condition of homosexuals —that in judgement God has given them over to their depraved passions— it's little wonder that the demons would seize them and use homos for perpetrating all manner of evil.

Blogger Shimshon June 15, 2016 8:51 AM  

@18 My problem with the fake (or false flag) angle is, if you're going to go that route, it makes no sense to make the assailant Muslim, as it does nothing to further your agenda, no matter how much effort expended in hand waving and focusing on guns (and possibly "homophobia").

Blogger Sun Xhu June 15, 2016 8:53 AM  

@6 In light of this information I was thinking much the same thing. Muslim-homo seeks redemption in his father's eyes, and his religion. Kill 50 other gays and get into heaven.

Anonymous Revolutionary June 15, 2016 8:54 AM  

Steve wrote:And all of this assumes, of course, that the Official Story is a reasonable approximation of the truth, which one can no longer reasonably assume these days.

Given the palpable desperation of the Left to turn the latest Islamic atrocity into a lecture about evil white Christian men with guns, I wouldn't be surprised if the self-hating gay angle was complete bollocks.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if it were true either. Moslems have a taste for buggery. In Islamic cultures little boys and farm animals are widely seen as fair game (with some exceptions - I believe the Taliban was quite anti-sodomy, at least before the invasion of Afghanistan).

Gay or straight, if you've got Islam you've got problems.


I agree the MSM and the Left in general are desperate to make this about anything other than Islam as they know these attacks increasingly prove Trump right and gain him more and more support.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 15, 2016 8:54 AM  

@20

My own view is that he went with the place that had weak security and it would easy to take hostages.

Despite my initial thoughts on the subject Disney, is not that soft of a target. You can't isolate hostages.

Also, on my last trip there I spotted a number of unusually fit tourists who were by themselves and listening with their eyes.

Blogger Salt June 15, 2016 8:55 AM  

I understand Mateen's father is a possible CIA asset. Like father like son? If Mateen were a CIA asset also, he might well "pledged allegiance to both ISIS and Hezbollah" as to get inside.

As to the muslim angle, how many Christian gays shoot up gay clubs?

Blogger Marsh June 15, 2016 8:55 AM  

Did the San Bernardino killer pick his workplace b/c he hated his coworkers more than any other infidels? No. He picked it b/c he was most familiar w/ it.

Same reason this killer picked this club.

Blogger Nate June 15, 2016 8:56 AM  

" it makes no sense to make the assailant Muslim"

exactly. if it were a false flag i would've been a white christian male.

Anonymous VFM #9617 June 15, 2016 8:57 AM  

I dunno, and I ask "cui bono" regarding this new narrative, and given the electoral importance of the issue of immigration, and especially muslim immigration, getting rid of the religious angle is, as the Church Lady used to say, "How convenient".

Anonymous JustBob June 15, 2016 8:59 AM  

@5 @13 @21

Paraphrasing from comments by Political Islam:

If the act is one of domination it is viewed differently than one of emotion.

@Shimson I thought it was an AR-15 as well as that is how the media reports every rifle with a detachable mag, but it apparently was a Sig MCX (able to be configured to handle 5.56 as well as 7.62)


Anonymous ted June 15, 2016 9:02 AM  

I don't know the fine details of this case, and in any event they'll probably change as more info emerges. This is just a bit of logical speculation.

-- The guy was an Afghan, and they seem to have a reputation in the Muslim world for not knowing their Islam all that well. He could have been a devout Muslim but just not very learned.

-- I'm pretty sure the commenter above who suggested this is correct, that martyrdom in the course of jihad confers complete forgiveness of sins and immediate entry to paradise.

-- If he was indeed gay and feeling conflicted, he may have thought martyrdom would solve his spiritual problem.

-- He might have pledged to both groups to make it absolutely clear he was engaged in jihad for martyrdom status.

Just a guess based on the questions posed.

Blogger Marsh June 15, 2016 9:04 AM  

@ 25

That too. Most familiar, softest target and biggest impact.

@29

Agreed. Let's take the focus off of his religion and make it about his struggle w/ his sexuality.

Or in the case of San Bernardino, let's take it off of his religion and make it about his relationships w/ his co-workers.

It is Islam.

Blogger Phillip George June 15, 2016 9:04 AM  

to suggest that one can't be a gay terrorist is also discrimination.

So long as the victims were infidels he can still be a Martyr. As for the 72 virgins, maybe he thought the trophies were for raisins instead.

Allah hu Akbar. Perhaps he's at the right hand of the Profit taker, Muhammad even as we speak.

Blogger J A Baker June 15, 2016 9:06 AM  

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Blogger Tamquam June 15, 2016 9:07 AM  

It is also possible that he changed his allegiance within radical Islam at some point. People do. Regardless, both strains are virulently anti homosexual. Even so that leaves open the question of who his fellow shooter(s) might have been and what their motivation.

What is clear to me, at least, is that he was a closet homosexual who learned from the tenets of Islam to hate that about himself. Clearly his father would have made sure that felt a great deal of guilt about it. It makes a great deal of sense, in a twisted way, that he would overcompensate for that guilt by killing those who suffered from his same homosexual tendencies as a way to get right with Allah.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 15, 2016 9:08 AM  

@30 The whole AR-15/Sig MCX argument is like arguing about if the train is fine or not. The general public looks at them and sees two black, magazine fed semi automatic weapons with pistol grips. The fact that one uses a recoil spring in a buffer tube and the other has recoil springs above the bolt will make no difference to them.

Trying to play "gotcha" with technical minutiae is a losing plan. For all intents and purposes AR-15 is shorthand for any of the black rifles. Just like Kleenex is shorthand for any box of thin paper you blow your nose on.

Blogger J A Baker June 15, 2016 9:09 AM  

Clearly he was a man conflicted; but how does a man who is feeling shame for having desires contrary to his religious heritage then go on to commit the worst mass shooting in US history?

My opinion: he was fueled by shame and radical Islamic ideology to commit this heinous act as a sort of pennance.

This conflict, this shame would have weakened his mind by clouding his judgment, thus leaving him open to suggestion and manipulation. In an effort to aleviate his suffering caused by his shame, he aimed to please those who he felt epitomized the ideals of his religious heritage by committing this heinous act in order to win their approval and attone for his sins.

He may or may not have had legitimate ties to a radical Islamic militant group, but he was certainly influenced by their ideas, and we can't ignore the fact that his activities leading up to this point attracted the attention of the FBI.

Blogger Marsh June 15, 2016 9:09 AM  

Islam doesn't forbid homosexuality for Muslims. Just homosexuality w/ other Muslims. Muslims can use infidels for pleasure.

This guy was not conflicted. He was convicted to commit jihad. That's it.

Blogger Derek Kite June 15, 2016 9:10 AM  

Huh? A muslim who wants to join without being over there will use whatever name is on the news. Hezbollah does something daring? I Love Hezbollah! Isis pulls off something cool, or posts a neat snuff video, I Love Isis!

There is a very strange desire to slot this guy into a tidy little box that has nothing to do with him but everything to do with the people looking to make the confusing world around them nice and tidy.

There are lots of lost people floating around and they will follow the strong horse. Give them high quality US Federal Government security training, ignore their unhinged rants because they belong to some official protected group such as gays or Islam. Expect the worst.

I strongly suspect that if you are at the FBI and come in with a report about a gay muslim who is making threatening noises and is worth keeping very close watch you probably will lose the promotion.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 15, 2016 9:13 AM  

I am going with #1 because if this was a dastardly conspiracy I think the people behind it wouldn't leave around huge obvious clues.

Wannabe cops on the other hand are often both ignorant and stupid.

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2016 9:16 AM  

3. Shimshon June 15, 2016 8:15 AM
Isn't an AR-14



more media gun retardary. that wasn't an AR-15, it was ( or at least currently being reported as ) a Sig Sauer MCX, which is normally chambered for .300BLK, although it can also be chambered as .223

http://www.sigsauer.com/Catalog/rifles.aspx


18. RobertL June 15, 2016 8:45 AM
There's little need to get into the questions of how many people could be killed with an AR when you have pretty fake-looking injuries being carried towards the locus of a police operation.



you know, with a little google mapping, it's quite easy to find out where the Orlando Regional Medical Center / Emergency Room is.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Orlando+Regional+Medical+Center+Emergency+Room,+West+Sturtevant+Street,+Orlando,+FL/PULSE,+1912+S+Orange+Ave,+Orlando,+FL+32806/@28.5219172,-81.3816601,16z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x88e77b0f2debdf8d:0xea7e3bb7c30b0327!2m2!1d-81.377357!2d28.5257626!1m5!1m1!1s0x88e77b0c438a83bf:0x72a789a251c26b61!2m2!1d-81.376794!2d28.519601

Blogger Lazarus June 15, 2016 9:16 AM  

Tamquam wrote:It makes a great deal of sense, in a twisted way, that he would overcompensate for that guilt by killing those who suffered from his same homosexual tendencies as a way to get right with Allah.

I am sure his handler told him all is sins would be forgiven if he became a martyr. Whether this is true or not in Islamic teaching, (as it is covered in much debate and confusion),) the shooter would be too much of a moron to check it out for himself.

Blogger FALPhil June 15, 2016 9:17 AM  

@36 Chris Mallory
Trying to play "gotcha" with technical minutiae is a losing plan. For all intents and purposes AR-15 is shorthand for any of the black rifles. Just like Kleenex is shorthand for any box of thin paper you blow your nose on.

While the gun nut in me cringes when I read this, you are entirely correct. The differences are lost on the average city-dwelling reader.

Blogger Lazarus June 15, 2016 9:18 AM  

ZeroHedge report:

New Orlando Shooter Eyewitness Emerges: Testifies That 5 People Were Involved In Pulse Attack

Blogger FALPhil June 15, 2016 9:18 AM  

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Blogger Desillusionerad June 15, 2016 9:21 AM  

Realistically this information doesn't alter anything - So he was gay, Koran told him that was a sin - The problem is still the Koran, couple that with ISIS and Hezbollah (both violent nutjobs)
That he cant understand the difference between Shia and Sunni is not terribly surprising, few people can after all, Hell he might not just have known Hezbollah wasn't Sunni.

Blogger Phillip George June 15, 2016 9:22 AM  

the worst mass shooting in US history? ??? no it wasn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

Obama visited Hawaii = stuff goes around.

the official story is bogus. Omar isn't a Lee Harvey Oswald, but neither was Lee Harvey Oswald

No more free Wacos

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2016 9:22 AM  

The Saker
3) Or Omar Mateen never said any such thing



he forgot
4) Or Omar Mateen be cray-cray



36. Chris Mallory June 15, 2016 9:08 AM
The whole AR-15/Sig MCX argument is like arguing about if the train is fine or not.



and all dogs who bite people are pitbulls. what's the point in arguing about it?

Blogger The Z Blog June 15, 2016 9:24 AM  

Actually, the right policy is to stick with what you know. We know he was a devout Muslim, mixed up with radical Muslims. We know he was chanting Islamic expressions and declaring fidelity to Islamic causes. We know he was married twice to hot looking women, one of whom helped him plan the attack.

Everything else is narrative journalism and gratuitous assertion at this point.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 15, 2016 9:26 AM  

Nate wrote:" it makes no sense to make the assailant Muslim"

exactly. if it were a false flag i would've been a white christian male.


9/11?

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2016 9:31 AM  

44. Lazarus June 15, 2016 9:18 AM
New Orlando Shooter Eyewitness Emerges: Testifies That 5 People Were Involved In Pulse Attack



then why are there only 50 dead?

in a single shooter scenario, it's quite obvious why there are lots of survivors, lone gunman is having to spend a lot of time covering his own back and trying to find survivors, making phone calls, reloading mags, etc.

multiple shooters inside + 3 hours to work should have resulted in something like Columbine with a ~90% fatality rate for ALL club patrons as the shooters work the interior over in teams.

hell, they could have had a 90% kill rate in less than 20 minutes.

there certainly shouldn't be more than a handful of people coming out of there NOT wounded if there were that many on the fire team.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit June 15, 2016 9:31 AM  

...because all those other mohammedans committing atrocities in the name of their pedo lord were theological genius and acting out of a full knowledge of their sacred texts.

Islam is a religion run by IQ90 imans to their >IQ85 followers. Anyone looking for logic or region from terrorists is barking up the wrong tree.

There is no doubt about it, this is an atrocity carried out in the name of islam as much as any other. YES it is absurd, YES the perpetrator is retarded, YES it is internally inconsistent but all that is part and parcel of the ideolgy based on pedophila, rape and murder

Judging the motivations of a mohammedan (clearly of a low IQ to adhere to the barbaric faith in the first place) in civilised terms is the worst kind of cultural equivalency

Blogger Nate June 15, 2016 9:31 AM  

"9/11?"

when the US government uses orlando as an excuse to take out a guy who threatened his dad... then we can talk about 9/11.

Blogger synp June 15, 2016 9:32 AM  

J A Baker wrote:Clearly he was a man conflicted; but how does a man who is feeling shame for having desires contrary to his religious heritage then go on to commit the worst mass shooting in US history?

My opinion: he was fueled by shame and radical Islamic ideology to commit this heinous act as a sort of pennance.

It's more than penance. It's absolution. It is not universally agreed that martyrs are absolved of all sins in Islam, but it is a widely held belief. Stop the pain and get a free pass to heaven at one fell swoop.

Israel gives asylum to some gay Palestinians who are "out" and likely to be killed by their own families. The self-hate is extreme. Gays in Israel try to be accepting and welcoming, because gays Israelis tend to be of the far left, diversity-loving variety just like American gays. But these people end up in brawls, gay prostitution, and on more than one occasion, a murder-suicide. Any murder will do here: a straight Jew is almost as good as a gay Jew for martyrdom. And after the fact it turns out that they were talking on the phone or over the Internet with some religious figure or another from back home who told them how they can fix their lives.

Anonymous RobertL June 15, 2016 9:32 AM  

Simshon, I don't want to say fake therefore conspiracy. All I can do is say that the crisis actors seem to be at it again. If there's crisis actors, the event hardly merits attention or discussion regarding the "characters" involved, the research has to be around WHO is responsible for the staging.

bob

you know, with a little google mapping, it's quite easy to find out where the Orlando Regional Medical Center / Emergency Room is.

Thankyou. Hadn't thought of Goodle.

Where were the ambulances to carry trauma victims?
Why route civilians past the front of the nightclub if the incident was ongoing?
Was there a cordon? Were victims being carried back inside the cordon, or did a TV crew happen to be inside the cordon just by accident?
How did trauma victims get one block south in the first place and then need to be carried north for six blocks?

Anonymous SJB June 15, 2016 9:34 AM  

“Self-loathing-closeted-gay-man-because-his-father-is-homophobic” is a meme easily understood by the general public: that’s what won “gay rights” and “gay marriage.”

The intensity of that meme spreading after the President’s outburst against a presidential candidate is a curious correlation.

Blogger Stilicho June 15, 2016 9:37 AM  

@36 nope it's also an opportunity for rhetorical mockery based upon dialectic. Your statement of common perception is correct (at least on the left) but it doesn't negate the opportunity for ridicule when a libtard expresses an opinion or claims knowledge/expertise. Just another tool in the toolbox to trigger amygdalae.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2016 9:39 AM  

John Robb has a take on this ISIS and Hez connection, the concept of "Fealty", google it up, I found the link thru WRSA. The poster above mentioned the idiot Israelis virtue signaling their gayness for muslim gays, and it ends up with muslim FEALTY.

This was even mentioned in Kratman's "Caliphate" where the muslim sperm donor point blank told the mentally ill white woman that fealty to Islam is with every muslim.

But of course all we would have to do is ask Obama to tell the Islamic world that Muslims have a choice, but we have a perfect opportunity and being the Right we fail again. Muslims can choose Islam or not, they have a choice.

Anonymous mature craig June 15, 2016 9:40 AM  

Another thing that occurrs to me is young people poorer young people need places to go where tbey can have fun and be safe. We older people need to create a world where there are more safe fun places for young people. Perhaps that can be a positive to be taken from all this.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan June 15, 2016 9:41 AM  

There is no question this even was staged. Perfect protected-class victimhood group, victimized by the ideal patsy perp, and the "shooting" serves so many agendas that it's tough trying to think of them all because there are so many.

One this to note, is that the crisis acting was especially bad in this scenario. Perhaps the ease with which the government is getting away with this stuff justifies lower budgets on crisis actors.

Anonymous RobertL June 15, 2016 9:52 AM  

Mr.MantraMan Muslims can choose Islam or not, they have a choice.

It would take the confidence of your eschatological superiority that the Catholics have eschewed since Vatican II, and the belief in Muscular Christianity that the Protestants lost before WWII, to save individuals who want to make that choice.

Every day, somewhere in the world, someone is killed by their family members for making that choice, while the Churches engage in "interfaith dialogue" with the killer's moral leaders.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 15, 2016 9:56 AM  

I may be mistaken but, I believe Islam also teaches that the infidels you kill during a jihad will serve you in paradise as your slaves.

So I guess he figured, guaranteed place in paradise and a filled dance card.

Blogger Desiderius June 15, 2016 9:57 AM  

Nate,

"if it were a false flag i would've been a white christian male."

No, the white Christian male is not demonized for his actual violence, which has now been nearly eliminated, but for imaginary violence.

The purpose is demoralization.

Anonymous krymneth June 15, 2016 9:58 AM  

The way to determine motives is not to ask whether a given action makes sense given that motivation. The question is, given that motivation, does that action become what that entity believes is their best action?

It may seem to make sense that the establishment staged this, because they want sensational news to further their own control. But if we take it as a given that the establishment wants to stage a fake crime to further their control over things, this is not the crime they would have staged. They would have gotten a white guy to do it. It's not like there aren't crazy white people they could groom into it.

For all that you can cast this as a big win for the establishment... and for all they are trying to spin it that way... this is also rife with problems for them. There haven't been any polls since this event, but my full expectation is that this will end up hugely net against them. They may not be as brilliant as they think they are, but they aren't stupid; if they were writing the script, this is not the script they would have written.

Moreover, the conspiracy angle is just completely unnecessary. Self-loathing gay in a culture that is effectively the same culture that literally executes gay people makes perfect enough sense. So does perfectly straight Muslim drinking the Kool-Aid and doing some jihad to get to heaven.

Remember where the "drink the Kool-Aid" metaphor comes from... people can do very stupid things without governments or establishments or conspiracies driving them along. Occam's razor slices away the conspiracy theories here.

Blogger ValeriusMaximus June 15, 2016 10:02 AM  

There are personal motivations on the one hand and political/religious on the other. They are hardly incompatible. Imagine a Chechen who for political and religious reasons, whether well thought out or not, thinks it perfectly justified to kill a bunch of Muscovites and whose family died in a Russian bombing. Now the true reason, that is, the reason that drove him over the edge, is the personal reason; nevertheless we don't claim he wasn't an Islamic/Chechen terrorist. Though this is only speculation, I suspect, personal motivations dominate in nearly everyone of these attacks.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 15, 2016 10:02 AM  

FWIW I figure low odds for a false flag here. At least minimal shenanigans yes, absolutely—there are insoluble incoherencies in the possible narratives—but a false flag interpretation raises more incoherence than it solves.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 15, 2016 10:04 AM  

If this is a false flag, it's either a brand new group running it (one that's anti-immigration and anti-gun), or it was royally botched.

It's far, far more likely it was exactly what the brochure says - low-IQ muzzie goes Aloha Snackbar. Alone or with a couple of jihad buddies, neither would surprise me.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 15, 2016 10:06 AM  

The most likely interpretation at this point, IMO, is the three-person strike team (San Bernardino, Paris) where Mateen was groomed to be the patsy.

Blogger Lady Fairfax33 June 15, 2016 10:08 AM  

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Blogger Lady Fairfax33 June 15, 2016 10:11 AM  

If he was gay and a Muslim the only way, under Islamic doctrine, to redeem himself would be to kill and be killed in the name of Allah. Anyway you slice it, it's jihad plain and simple.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 15, 2016 10:12 AM  

" 22. Blogger Shimshon June 15, 2016 8:51 AM
@18 My problem with the fake (or false flag) angle is, if you're going to go that route, it makes no sense to make the assailant Muslim, as it does nothing to further your agenda, no matter how much effort expended in hand waving and focusing on guns (and possibly "homophobia")."


If you want a purely practical reason to use a muslim it is that it is easier to get them to perform the act, easier to justify in his mind, easier to generate the rage. It's much harder to get a Christian to do the same thing.

Having this guy be portrayed as a muslim does support a narrative, just not a pure social justice/multi-culti narrative. It supports a defense/law enforcement budget narrative regardless of the current progressive mouth pieces that currently sit in the chairs of President, Attorney General and Director of the FBI. Most important it supports a created conflict narrative.

If you want conflict, if you want chaos, then this guy delivers. Iranian, Muslim, gay, child of immigrants, he's checking off the boxes. This violent act is rhetoric. It's meant to push buttons, generate fear, get people reacting rather than acting with rational purpose. Do not let it take up more mind-space than it deserves.

Side-note:
The most important part of the shooter's media identity is that he was second generation. He was raised in America. By being raised on America's magic soil Mr. Mateen was by numbers alone a more effective shooter than his peers.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 June 15, 2016 10:15 AM  

Of course he was gay now.

Nothing to do with Islam, move along....

Anonymous Jack Amok June 15, 2016 10:19 AM  

FWIW I figure low odds for a false flag here. At least minimal shenanigans yes, absolutely—there are insoluble incoherencies in the possible narratives...

Exactly. A false flag operation has three phases: the planning, the execution, and the post-event spin. But just because the usual suspects are engaging in the post-even spin phase doesn't mean they were involved in the first two phases.

They try to spin everything, but that doesn't mean everything is a false flag operation. As folks have noted, this isn't good for the globalists. Self-loathing gay muslim anchor baby with cop-like credentials shoots up gay nightclub in potential swing state. Hello President Trump (not to mention a bump in the polls for euro nationalist parties).

If I was the globalist Illuminati case officer assigned to handle this, I'd try to muddy the waters as much as I could. Anything to distract people from the muslim immigrant angle. Anything...

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2016 10:23 AM  

55. RobertL June 15, 2016 9:32 AM
Thankyou. Hadn't thought of Goodle.



*shrugs*
pick the mapping app of your choice, makes no difference unless you're going to tell me Google is faking the map location of the hospital >> Pulse.

the point is that you claim to be incapable of imagining a reason why people would be getting carried that direction, i provided one with ten seconds work.

mention of the night club being immediately south of the hospital has been a staple of the news stories since this broke, you have no excuse for not being aware of it.




55. RobertL June 15, 2016 9:32 AM
Where were the ambulances to carry trauma victims?
Why route civilians past the front of the nightclub if the incident was ongoing?
Was there a cordon? Were victims being carried back inside the cordon, or did a TV crew happen to be inside the cordon just by accident?
How did trauma victims get one block south in the first place and then need to be carried north for six blocks?



well, there's no reference to when this video was taken so i'll have to make some assumptions; i'ma go with, right after they knocked the holes in the wall with the Bearcat ( or whatever that thing is called ), Mateen is already dead in the firefight and numerous patrons ( some injured ) had also bolted out.

if you'd like to source the original video so i can get a better idea of the timeline, feel free.

* - ambulances are likely to be staged closer to Pulse, the Pavlik building is probably just where some of the runners got too on their own. highly doubtful the cops would have directed them there. and the cops wouldn't even have been capable of keeping track of all the mobile ( even if injured ) civvies making their escape.

* - they weren't "routed". that looks volunteer. they were already inside the cordon, shooter is already down, they're taking shortest route to the hospital. ambulance personnel will either be fully involved in the club ( ~50 dead + ~50 injured ) or prepping to stage into the club once the cops clear it. mobility of the runner will act as triage ( even if he got shot by the cops as he was trying to clear the building ) for on-site medical personnel. ie - if they were healthy enough to get that far away from the building, they can't be that seriously injured compared to those who didn't come out

* - duh, of course there was a cordon

* - victims were being carried back inside the cordon because they probably never left it. even if they did, you seriously think a cop is going to look at people carrying an obvious injured and tell them they have to go 4 blocks out of their way when the shooting has already stopped?

* - camera ( why do you think it's a news crew? there is no channel watermark, as or more likely to be civvy footage ) is outside of what would be the cordon area. this is a civilian area with mixed use retail and apartments. one witness was in apts over the "Costume Couture" right across the street from the Pavlik building. they're not going to try to clear all the buildings across the street from the active scene, the street/sidewalk will be the edge of what the cops are trying to create as an exclusion zone.

* - already explained how they got one block south



for more batshittery, try this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jecD7vox3s4

so, for an engagement of +3 hours, a civvy is never supposed to figure out that he can open his window and step out onto roof of the adjoining building for a better view?

THIS is your conspiracy theory?

jesus christ, you people are stupid.

you want to complain about something, ask why this guy says "100 meters". that's not American civvy terminology. although he's likely (((American))), so that right there would be a good justification for why he uses non-standard distance measurements.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 15, 2016 10:26 AM  

Crap, not Iranian, Afghani.

Anonymous Steve June 15, 2016 10:27 AM  

The NYT doubles down on gaslighting America:

While the precise motivation for the rampage remains unclear, it is evident that Mr. Mateen was driven by hatred toward gays and lesbians. Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain. Tragically, this is the state of American politics, driven too often by Republican politicians who see prejudice as something to exploit, not extinguish

Anonymous fred June 15, 2016 10:35 AM  

I suppose anything is possible (vis-à-vis false flag) but it sounds to me like Occam's razor makes the most sense. Guy is unhinged, has issues with gays, has other problems (hits his ex, compulsive behavior, obsessive fixations), has easy access to guns and an ideology which encourages certain types of violence, some wires get crossed in his brain, and wham.

It's a simple coherent explanation. But I guess you never know.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 15, 2016 10:38 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:Exactly. A false flag operation has three phases: the planning, the execution, and the post-event spin. But just because the usual suspects are engaging in the post-even spin phase doesn't mean they were involved in the first two phases.


My thought exactly. The media is just engaging in neurotic self-expression, as it always does. Also, the sun rose in the east this morning.

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 15, 2016 10:40 AM  

fred wrote:some wires get crossed in his brain, and wham.


The extreme asymmetry of his eyes (the left is much lower) suggests his wires have been crossed since very early in his development.

Blogger Lazarus June 15, 2016 10:40 AM  

bob k. mando wrote:then why are there only 50 dead?

I didn't WRITE the article. Just thought it might be relevant.

Anonymous Broken Arrow June 15, 2016 10:41 AM  

The NYT and the rest of the left are playing a clever rhetorical game: which is with a broad brush painting anyone who has ever in any way criticized the LGBT movement as the same as Omar, only not having acted yet.

If they get traction with this, which isn't guaranteed, they can parlay the narrative into victory in the bathroom war, and most any other part of their agenda for the foreseeable future.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 15, 2016 10:42 AM  

Unrelated ... Dilbert's boss interviews an SJW.

http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-06-15

Anonymous Anonymous June 15, 2016 10:45 AM  

I wonder what you think of Trump's new gun initiative. I've long suspected the man to be the ultimate bate and switch con man - And this last wrinkle does nothing to alleviate my concerns. Giving the government power to put people on lists which will decide if you get to have a gun or not ? It may start with Muslims, but guess who they'll be coming after next.... Or perhaps they'll even skip the Muslims.

Blogger Marsh June 15, 2016 10:55 AM  

Islam doesn't forbid homosexuality for Muslims. Just homosexuality w/ other Muslims. Muslims can use infidels for pleasure.

This guy was not conflicted. He was convicted to commit jihad. That's it.

Anonymous krymneth June 15, 2016 10:56 AM  

"Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester, where minorities are vilified and where people are scapegoated for political gain."

Well, that's all true, it's just that the "bigotry being allowed to fester" is in the NYT's and their fellow-traveler's insane protections of Islam. If the NYT is concerned about this sort of bigotry being allowed to fester, perhaps they should stop protecting its real source.

I don't know how anybody functions in politics without the r/K theory, which is literally the only theory I have ever heard that even remotely explains the utter insanity of progressivism/SJWs protecting Islam the way they do. Every other explanation I've ever heard founders on this rock.

(It's still "insanity", even if I do have a rational explanation for their irrational behavior.)

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 15, 2016 10:59 AM  


The extreme asymmetry of his eyes (the left is much lower) suggests his wires have been crossed since very early in his development.


There's a lot of marriages between 1st cousins in the Islamic part of the world. Pakistan is riddled with it. Ditto Afghanistan. Conserve those recessive genes! What could go wrong?

Anonymous RobertL June 15, 2016 11:04 AM  

bob k. mando wrote: you have no excuse for not being aware of it.
Sorry. Lucky there was a level 1 trauma center so close by.

if you'd like to source the original video so i can get a better idea of the timeline, feel free.
No idea.



the cops wouldn't even have been capable of keeping track of all the mobile ( even if injured ) civvies making their escape.
This is where the problem begins. Its a cordon but not a cordon. Its like a border, but no-one knows who is supposed to be which side of it. Its a chocolate teapot.

ie - if they were healthy enough to get that far away from the building, they can't be that seriously injured compared to those who didn't come out
You're six blocks from said L1 Trauma Center. Within 10 minutes of it becoming a known mass casualty incident you should be logging IDs and setting up continuity of care for all injured, prior to transport.

* - duh, of course there was a cordon
See below.

* - victims were being carried back inside the cordon because they probably never left it. even if they did, you seriously think a cop is going to look at people carrying an obvious injured and tell them they have to go 4 blocks out of their way when the shooting has already stopped?
Yes. Especially when obviously injured is not the same as being carried by non-medical personnel without visible injury, dressings or IV.

* - camera ( why do you think it's a news crew? there is no channel watermark, as or more likely to be civvy footage ) is outside of what would be the cordon area. this is a civilian area with mixed use retail and apartments. one witness was in apts over the "Costume Couture" right across the street from the Pavlik building. they're not going to try to clear all the buildings across the street from the active scene, the street/sidewalk will be the edge of what the cops are trying to create as an exclusion zone.
So these civilians carrying this other "injured" civilian are now outside the (not)cordon. They were inside before. I'm confused.

so, for an engagement of +3 hours, a civvy is never supposed to figure out that he can open his window and step out onto roof of the adjoining building for a better view?
Again, cordon. Unless the presumption is that enfilading 1st responders from an elevated position is something a terrorist would never think of.

jesus christ, you people are stupid.
That's Our Lord you're talking about. Please. But yes, I am stupid.

Anonymous fred June 15, 2016 11:09 AM  

"Hate crimes don’t happen in a vacuum. They occur where bigotry is allowed to fester"

Anti-gay bigotry doesn't fester in Orlando. They just finished a huge Pride festival.

"Every other explanation I've ever heard founders on this rock."

I don't think you need ev-psych to explain it. They hate whites and they hate Christianity, above all else, and Islam is easy to weaponized against their targets.

Blogger praetorian June 15, 2016 11:10 AM  

OT: is milo suspended from Twitter?

OpenID dreadilkzee June 15, 2016 11:17 AM  

Classic case of guilt solved by martyrdom. He goes to Muslim paradise and 77 virgins while cleansing himself of the gay guilt. Absolved of his shame while getting back into Allah's good graces.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 15, 2016 11:17 AM  

This is where the problem begins. Its a cordon but not a cordon. Its like a border, but no-one knows who is supposed to be which side of it. Its a chocolate teapot.

You have a high opinion of how well cops can control an area.

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2016 11:21 AM  

85. RobertL June 15, 2016 11:04 AM
Its a cordon but not a cordon. Its like a border, but no-one knows who is supposed to be which side of it. Its a chocolate teapot.


see, now that's just a lie.

*i* don't know whether they were outside the cordon area at that scene beside the Pavlik building. i'm acknowledging that i haven't enough information to work with. that doesn't mean the cordon doesn't exist and it doesn't mean that they were / not inside of it.

everyone on site certainly knew where the exclusion zone was AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IT IN VIDEO SHOTS.


85. RobertL June 15, 2016 11:04 AM
and setting up continuity of care for all injured, prior to transport.



yes, well, when the EMTs get involved, i'm sure they will. you point out the EMT to me.


85. RobertL June 15, 2016 11:04 AM
enfilading 1st responders from an elevated position is something a terrorist would never think of.



because crowds of gawkers never congregate around emergency scenes.

in an urban area, the cops don't bother with anyone outside the exclusion zone because there's no point. you CAN'T physically clear everybody.

oooh, aahhhh, we know military terminology, do we?

well, try this on for size:
the rooftop vantage point accomplishes NOTHING for sniper purposes. you move, at most, 30 feet closer ... in exchange for losing all concealing cover? duh-huh?

it's the person who remains INSIDE the apartment who is the "sniper threat", as the cops don't even know whether or not anyone is there.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner June 15, 2016 11:22 AM  

I am still not convinced it is anything other than scouting/casing locations for an attack with queens trying to get into the limelight or paid to maintain the narrative claiming otherwise. Even if he was gay it was Islam that says you can go to heaven no matter what if you die killing infidels. The homeless men that keep beating up NY Times reporters are not gay, the old fat balding queen that claimed to be his ex was Michael Moore level ugly. If you saw Michael Moore with a woman in her 20s that had not been hit with every ugly stick in the ugly tree forest you would suspect ___? Although I have recently found out about Kratman's beer goggles in his new article.

When I went to my first gay youth meeting (held in a planned parenthood) I really unnerved the lesbian gatekeeper, she was an actual jewish lesbian gatekeeper that buzzed people in/out for smoking at the door at the top of the steps, I took the elevator that she didn't know existed but walked past for years. It was an old door open up/down elevator with only an image worn off up button.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 15, 2016 11:23 AM  

@72 Jack, exactly. The purpose of a false-flag event is to give the powers-that-be an excuse and public support for an operation they want to do. Here the obvious flag was ISIS, but if the feds wanted to attack ISIS, they could have done so any time in the past several years and had plenty of public support. Replacing the ISIS flag with the rainbow flag makes even less sense -- what, Obama wants to crack down on violent gays?

A few years ago, one might have argued that it was meant to generate sympathy for gays to push gay marriage, but that's not needed anymore. And with Trump sure to benefit from the situation no matter what anyone theorizes was in the guy's head, the timing just couldn't be worse for the globalist establishment. The fact that they're willing to put homosexuality in a potentially negative light at all for the sake of obfuscating the story just shows how little there is here for them to work with.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 15, 2016 11:29 AM  

The fact that they're willing to put homosexuality in a potentially negative light at all for the sake of obfuscating the story just shows how little there is here for them to work with.

Also shows how desperate they are to bury the glaring facts of Jihad. Throwing the #1 pet minority out of the sleigh isn't done lightly. But the alternative is to admit that some people of color are not part of the glorious rainbow. Unthinkable. Literally unthinkable.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 15, 2016 11:30 AM  

Bah, I still think all this Isil/Isis/Daesh crap is stirred up and orchestrated by the Saudis and Israel against the west for making friendly with Iran. They don't like Assad much either.

We're being played like a fiddle.

Blogger Sam Lively June 15, 2016 11:31 AM  

Omar Seddique Mateen - "I'm just a pansy, I mean patsy!"

Blogger Jabari June 15, 2016 11:32 AM  

@87: Yes it seems so.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 11:38 AM  

YO! Twitter just suspended Milo's account.

Anonymous krymneth June 15, 2016 11:43 AM  

"I don't think you need ev-psych to explain it. They hate whites and they hate Christianity, above all else, and Islam is easy to weaponized against their targets."

That's not an explanation; that's a restatement of the problem. The question is, why? Both their words of what they claim to hate and most of their actions in which they do act as if they really do hate "bigotry" match up, and on both accounts they ought to hate Islam even more. It isn't hard to get the news that shows that Islam shooting 50 gay people is just another day in the Muslim world; why do they work so hard covering up for that?

If you don't need "evopsych", you do need something quite powerful. They really shouldn't be natural allies by almost any other standard. They shouldn't be covering for them. At best, I can construct theories in which Islam wouldn't be the progressive's biggest concern. For instance, it's easy to be more concerned about one's home than what happens abroad, and if you're honestly concerned for your life, you may not want to speak out against Islam too loudly. I can easily imagine other theories that lead them to not speak against them too loudly. But I haven't got anything else that leads to progressive courting the Muslims, and covering for them as we see. Under most other theories, they should happily use this event to discredit "religious bigotry" in general, which would for the most part appear to work in their favor, rather than attempting this bizarrely delicate dance in which the actions of a Muslim immigrant's son are somehow used to slime Christians and only Christians.

Even the tempting "it's all just the world being against Christians" theory doesn't really cover it for me; the Devil's house is a house divided against itself. The secular American left really shouldn't love Islam like this.

Blogger guest June 15, 2016 11:48 AM  

The homosexuals are all using this event to demand even more gay compliance and thought control. They are not going to be happy until all religions that reject homosexuality are obliterated. All free speech on this issue is criminalized, and all criticism of the homosexual culture is punished. The did this in the 90s with Matthew Shepard who was a drug dealer, killed by his fellow drug-dealing homosexual lover. Now they are doubling down again for a new layer of political influence and protection. I know my enemies after they have kicked me in the teeth once. I don't need them to get a second shot at me.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 15, 2016 11:49 AM  

one thing I really like about being here, and about this site, is that Vox dictates, the narrative. I am happy and proud to follow along, offer my input towards any narrative that he dictates

Anonymous RobertL June 15, 2016 11:50 AM  

bob,


From Amarillo A wide perimeter was set up around Walmart, restricting access to nearby neighborhoods and businesses in the area for several hours.

and from the same incident Anita Flores, who when the incident began was working at the Murphy’s USA just north of the Walmart at 4209 Canyon Drive, said her area was put on lockdown immediately.

“I’m alone,” Flores said. “The assistant was here and she went to the bank and they won’t let her back in. They just don’t want any customers or really anyone in the parking lots, and they’re not letting anyone in or out on any sides of the building.”



Note, this is locking down, not clearing. Why can't Orlando PD do it?

you point out the EMT to me
Rather worrying, isn't it? No evacuation facilities to the S side of the scene. No medical personnel at all. A woman with a BPV but no ID. Which would be consistent with early in the siege. Yet random people moving toward the locus. Unafraid.

sniper
Shouldn't rise to it, but I didn't say sniper. Either way, it goes back to whether I have an unrealistic idea of how cops control a *real* active shooter scene, or whether those hotheads in Texas just overreact to every little gun thing.

Blogger Rabbi B June 15, 2016 11:54 AM  

It looks like the faggot has been freed.

Milo

"I'm back!"

Blogger Noah B June 15, 2016 11:56 AM  

And Trump just fucked us.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 15, 2016 11:57 AM  

I feel sympathy and compassion for all the victims. and pray that they rest in peace

Blogger Timmy3 June 15, 2016 11:58 AM  

The gay media will cover this up.

Gays kill gays. Does not happen.
Muslims kill gays. Does not happen.
Guns kill gays. Happens all the time.
Haters hate gays. Same as killing.

Blogger Rusty Fife June 15, 2016 11:58 AM  

J A Baker wrote:Clearly he was a man conflicted; but how does a man who is feeling shame for having desires contrary to his religious heritage then go on to commit the worst mass shooting in US history?

My opinion: he was fueled by shame and radical Islamic ideology to commit this heinous act as a sort of pennance.


Not just that; he was 27 and hitting the gay wall. That is what set off the black reporter in Virginia. Nobody was giving him the attention he deserved anymore.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 15, 2016 12:00 PM  

as I see it homosexuals reflect a sort of love-defecit on the planet. THis love budget if you will is something that we all need to try to balance

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 15, 2016 12:02 PM  

36. Chris Mallory
@30 The whole AR-15/Sig MCX argument is like arguing about if the train is fine or not. The general public looks at them and sees two black, magazine fed semi automatic weapons with pistol grips. The fact that one uses a recoil spring in a buffer tube and the other has recoil springs above the bolt will make no difference to them.

The thing nobody has mentioned is whether this security contractor for the DHS had a Class 3 license which he used to purchase a select-fire MX in St. Lucie 2 weeks before the shoot up. I doubt he would have needed one since he had three hours to shoot away before the badge-gang goondas showed up to 'save' the day. This is related to the more important question as to why such obviously unstable individuals allowed to work for security contractors who do business with the DHS. I note Lügenpresse isn't very interested in addressing any actual facts having to do with the event, but in promoting their usual narrative: It's YT's fault.

Anonymous omar's running shoes June 15, 2016 12:07 PM  

I never met an honest homosexual. Doesn't mean they don't exist, it's just that they are like unicorns. Anything these drama queens say is just a means of focusing the spotlight on themselves for one more painful second.

Blogger Rusty Fife June 15, 2016 12:07 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:you want to complain about something, ask why this guy says "100 meters". that's not American civvy terminology. although he's likely (((American))), so that right there would be a good justification for why he uses non-standard distance measurements.

Ex-military.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 15, 2016 12:08 PM  

He was just expressing himself. It is homophobic to condemn his lifestyle choice of mass murder.

Celibate diversity!

Anonymous BGKB June 15, 2016 12:11 PM  

BGKB-bait]Plus, there are pretty boys served up like pearls in muslim paradise.[/BGKB-bait]

I didn't fall for the move back to Texas and you will always have an 18yo* Mexican boyfriend as long as you have a job, because I have had 18yo Mexican boyfriends before.

AR 14? Is that an artifact of leftist confusion between a Mini 14 and an AR?

Gay Media is saying its an AR-68

The odds of him not going in for a bit of "boy-play" were zero.

2 old balding queens claimed him as exes maybe he wanted to stay as the boy, 29 is long in the tooth for bottoms.

Here’s What The FBI Was Doing Instead Of Catching The Orlando Shooter

Looking for naked selfie pics on middle school kids phones.

Gays in Israel try to be accepting and welcoming, Every gay film festival has some version of Older Gay Israeli- young Palestinian Rent Boy movie showing.

Did the San Bernardino killer pick his workplace b/c he hated his coworkers more than any other infidels? No.

He picked it because he was triggered by them eating free ham, they had obviously been planning a bigger attack but chimped out early.

. Its a cordon but not a cordon. Its like a border, but no-one knows who is supposed to be which side of it. Its a chocolate teapot

Latrine night would be the perfect time for brown skinned extra shooters to escape possibly even faking an injury or have a real one from ricochet.

Within 10 minutes of it becoming a known mass casualty incident you should be logging IDs and setting up continuity of care for all

But the affirmative action black you can't fire downloaded a porn virus.

YO! Twitter just suspended Milo's account.

Cuckbook shut down Pamela Geller's that has covered moslem acts for 6 years.

I never met an honest homosexual. Doesn't mean they don't exist, it's just that they are like unicorns

I have not meet very many either. Couldn't find a single gay in Miami that didn't do drugs.

Anonymous Jack June 15, 2016 12:16 PM  

I had heard that bit about gay crime being unusually violent, does anyone have a source or something that I can spring on my coworkers the next time they complain about crimes AGAINST gays being violent? (I want to be able to suggest that it's because of the high rate of gay-on-gay crime and the violence of crime committed by gay perpetrators.)

OpenID luciussomesuch June 15, 2016 12:19 PM  

"exactly. if it were a false flag i would've been a white christian male."

--It makes sense for a psy-ops campaign to cast Muslim terrorists if the ultimate goal is to provoke non-psy-ops counter-violence from White people tired of living in fear.

If we can allow that a false flag program really believes that enough gun killings will make gun owners repent of owning guns, then it is no stretch to believe they also believe they can provoke the violence they wish to use violence to contain.

They want to wish into existence civil unrest so they can declare martial law. Because, of course, it is they who really relish violent oppression-- against us.

Anonymous BGKB June 15, 2016 12:20 PM  

I had heard that bit about gay crime being unusually violent

Jeff Dalmer. Also if you believe the stories of the StoneWall queens fighting for their rights. Gays mostly fight like women.

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2016 12:28 PM  

107. Rusty Fife June 15, 2016 12:07 PM
Ex-military.



i didn't say there weren't alternative explanations for it, i'm just pointing out that of all the things to complain about in that guy's story, they picked the dumbest stuff.

not that him being ex-mil wouldn't ALSO set off all kinds of conspiracy theories. that's exactly the kind of guy who would be sniping ...



100. RobertL June 15, 2016 11:50 AM
and they’re not letting anyone in or out on any sides of the building.”


which is entirely different than putting cops on all the roof tops in case people start coming out their windows.

note also, there is no comment about how long he was out on the roof. standoff was three hours. they don't make a big commotion getting out the window, it's dark, could easily have been a 1/2 hour or more before the cops would have even noticed them ( if they ever were ) on the roof. only requires a couple of minutes to have taken all of his photos.

therefore, no conspiracy required.

don't let that stop you from foaming at the mouth though.

Anonymous fred June 15, 2016 12:29 PM  

Well I'd say it's a confluence of vectors, not all of them present all the time. Experience is one; it's unfortunately true that many people DID have unpleasant, bigoted Christian childhoods, and they're still bitter about it. A lot of people did know white bigots as children, so they're bitter at whites. And a lot of SJWism stems from being the nerd who never got to date the cheerleader, and it's Whitey's fault.

Herd instinct is certainly a part of it; SJWs love to telegraph their alleged super-smartness by gravitating to imbecilic but impressive-sounding non-existent concepts like "white privilege" and "intersectionality" (I still can't figure out what that one means. "Islamophobia" is a perfect bit of nonsense for them to natter on about, and go on the warpath over. Islam is the new Communism -- the rebel ideology they can sound cool for embracing. Plus like you say, up til now they just didn't know any Muslims, and the US for some reason attracted more upper-class Muslim immigrants than Europe. The first ones they met were likely to be doctors and stuff. The violence they see on TV is obviously caused by Western imperialism.

They love to run away from the obviousness of reality, and think they can outsmart it. And of course, Edward Said (remember "Orientalism"? That was the 80s version of "Islamophobia") and (((the Frankfurt School))) inserted their memes and grievances into the type of education SJWs typically receive. (((Somebody))) has figured out a way to make white Christian men the most culturally vile and easily abused people in America, and Muslims are the photographic negative of them, so: bingo. And all because Old Man van Vanderbilt wouldn't let Grampa Shlomo marry his blonde daughter Petunia, and they're still obsessing over it.

Also, nobody wants to be yesterday's villain tomorrow. Remember, in the minds of these idiots it's always Selma in 1963, and they want to be with MLK. One of the reasons so much bad art is admired is nobody wants to be the rube scoffing at today's Jackson Pollock (sorry, he was and is an important painter) and then proven to be a tasteless caveman in the future. Islam is the thing you won't want to be found condemning once it goes mainstream.

Also, don't forget SJWism is largely a feminized mindset, and women secretly want to be dominated by strong men. Muslims are badass, and will keep them in their place. You're going to see a lot more white women converting to Islam just so they can wear a cute head scarf.

But it's really just a version of the old bit where a parent takes a little boy's toy gun away, so he just points an apple at her and says "Bang!" SJWs will do anything to beat white Christians over the head (ever notice how the black Christian church always escapes the anti-Christian vitriol?), and Islam is a very convenient stick. Brown and badass trumps brown and bigoted. In their eyes, Islam is religion's answer to "Shaft".

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 15, 2016 12:30 PM  

Fact: Less than 2% of all people are homosexuals.

Fact: 43% of all known serial killers had homosexual encounters.

Anonymous Andrew E. June 15, 2016 12:32 PM  

And Trump just fucked us.

The NRA is for gun control?

Blogger Alexander June 15, 2016 12:38 PM  

If Trump said "I'm discussing open borders with Senator Sessions," that does not mean "I endorse open borders."

Trump may fuck us on this. A non-zero possibility. But the fact that he's meeting with a sympathetic group to our side *just to discuss it* proves nothing yet.

Wait, see, respond accordingly. At this stage Trump has earned the benefit of the doubt.

Blogger PoseidonAwoke June 15, 2016 12:54 PM  

In order to believe this gay-on-gay scenario, then you would have to believe that a single man killed 50 people and wounded 50 more, 1/3 of the 300 total. I find it very difficult to envision such a single-shooter scenario. To me, accomplices seem more likely to fit these high numbers, which would rule out 'lone nut' theories.

Anonymous Discard June 15, 2016 12:59 PM  

A Moslem kills a bunch of Hispanic homosexuals thousands of miles away from me, and I'm expected to care? Nobody there on my team. All I care about is, how can we use it to benefit ourselves and discomfit our enemies?

That's not just my take on this, but almost everyone's.

OpenID randkoch June 15, 2016 12:59 PM  

It's still about radical Islam. It's just not about Islam as a faith. This wouldn't have happened if he'd been a regular atheist.

Many Muslims going to Syria for jihad weren't particularly religious. They've been seen with "Islam for Dummies" to catch up on it. This is a social movement as much as anything.

For similar reasons, most peace activists have a tolerance for torture when their side does it.

Blogger Jr. Williams June 15, 2016 1:04 PM  

will 22 inch rims fit?
wheels

Anonymous Andrew E. June 15, 2016 1:12 PM  

I need a decoder for this re: no fly lists, etc.

https://twitter.com/NRA/status/743110378272350208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Anonymous Mr. Practical June 15, 2016 1:13 PM  

In order to believe this gay-on-gay scenario, then you would have to believe that a single man killed 50 people and wounded 50 more, 1/3 of the 300 total. I find it very difficult to envision such a single-shooter scenario.

Have you ever shot a 3-gun match ?

Blogger Elder Son June 15, 2016 1:13 PM  

The FBI didn't interview him twice because he was a faggot. They interviewed him twice because of his radical Jihad talk. And once again for his ties with Moner Mohammad Abu Salha, a recruiter for Islamic fighters in Syria. 2 visits to Saudi Arabia. Father a hardcore Taliban supporter. Etc.

2013 is when he was first investigated by the FBI. 2013 in when he first appeared on the faggot seen at Pulse.

It is an established fact that the FBI will go after semi-retards, radicalize them, provide moral support, introduce them to hardware, set up an event, then arrest them.

It is also known, that these sometimes go live. We can work our way up from the OKC bombing.

Everything else is just froth. (There is no coffee under the froth).

This is just a fast short list.

The USgov and MSM have become the masters of planting the seeds of doubt, confusion, and redirection.

OpenID randkoch June 15, 2016 1:19 PM  

122:

They said "due process," which a no-fly list is not.

Trump slipped up, and it sounds like the NRA is letting him walk it back.

Anonymous BGKB June 15, 2016 1:24 PM  

The FBI didn't interview him twice because he was a faggot.

I have never been interviewed by law enforcement other than for things I have reported.

Anonymous BGKB June 15, 2016 1:28 PM  

"I need a decoder for this re: no fly lists, etc."

"I am going to discus the recent release of Mexican sex criminals with Maddy Middleton's Parents."

Well now that I am more informed I think the US releasing sex criminals onto the streets is a bad idea, but I heard good things about Pinochet's helicopter & its ability to prevent crime.

Anonymous Andrew E. June 15, 2016 1:29 PM  

Trump slipped up, and it sounds like the NRA is letting him walk it back.

I wouldn't call it a slip up. Trump relies on experts he trusts for these kinds of details.

Blogger Elder Son June 15, 2016 1:32 PM  

P.S. Radical Islam is a TOOL for TP'sTB. And as you can see, that tool is working out, once again, for TP'sTB.

Redirection. Redirection. Redirection. Which works out very well in the United States of Cognitive Dissonance. Work and work and work on the feelz. More love, not hate. Group hugs. Candle-light vigils. Traumatic conditioning. Soften up your targeted audience.

These people are way ahead of you.

Anonymous FP June 15, 2016 1:34 PM  

"The NRA is for gun control?"

Well, the autistic conservatives like McConnel are talking about new laws right now. The dems are whinging in the senate and DHS head jackass Jeh Johnson is saying gun control is his agency's issue now.

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2016 1:50 PM  

118. PoseidonAwoke June 15, 2016 12:54 PM
In order to believe this gay-on-gay scenario, then you would have to believe that a single man killed 50 people and wounded 50 more, 1/3 of the 300 total. I find it very difficult to envision such a single-shooter scenario.



in THREE HOURS? you find it difficult to envision that?



100. RobertL June 15, 2016 11:50 AM
and from the same incident Anita Flores, who when the incident began was working at the Murphy’s USA just north of the Walmart at 4209 Canyon Drive, said her area was put on lockdown immediately.

Note, this is locking down, not clearing. Why can't Orlando PD do it?



do you understand the difference in size between a Walmart and that night club building?

do you understand the multiples of egress points which the Walmart ( likely over 2 dozen ) provides over the night club ( front and back door, possible side )?

do you understand that the purpose of the cordon is to CONTAIN the threats, keeping civvies protected and out of the cops way is entirely secondary?

Anonymous Andrew E. June 15, 2016 1:51 PM  

Longer statement from NRA. Still doesn't seem clear to me.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160615/nra-statement-on-terror-watchlists

Blogger Elder Son June 15, 2016 1:57 PM  

What is the new narrative? Sympathy for LGBT and more gun control.

It is not about Islam. Muslims will continue to be imported from US-NATO war torn Muslim countries.

When 2, or 3, or more shooters are witnessed, it is unfounded.

Interesting and some valid points: https://youtu.be/rfufT0F-4_A

Blogger Noah B June 15, 2016 1:59 PM  

The NRA is for gun control?

The NRA is for one thing -- themselves. Any positions they take are simply strategies they plan to profit from. Sometimes that means supporting gun control so they can pretend to oppose it later.

Here's their statement about people on arbitrary government lists buying guns.

The NRA statement is near-total acquiescence with enough fluff to disguise what they're doing. Focus on "...and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing." An indefinitely delayed investigation means an indefinitely delayed gun sale. When the NRA says their position hasn't changed, they're lying.

Note that the Brady Law, now more than 20 years old, already has a provision for allowing the FBI to arbitrarily delay a gun sale (for 5 days, I believe). To be able to instantly purchase a gun, one needs to either be approved by the FBI's NICS system or have passed a previous background check, e.g. by having a carry license.

The government already has all the tools it needs to stop terrorists. It's insanely easy to get an indictment already, and if the feds don't have enough evidence to indict, they don't have enough to reasonably put someone on an arbitrary list that denies the free exercise of their rights.

Blogger bob k. mando June 15, 2016 2:02 PM  

Dalrock's post is far more likely:
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/06/15/we-did-retreat/

led by an affirmative action half wit, the cops got pulled back when a possible IED was sighted.

of course, you could also go all conspiracy and say that this means that the original engagement *inside the club* wasn't actually fighting Mateen, they were part of the strike group.

either way ( false flag or honest Aloha Snackbar ), i'm sure we're going to find out that a BUNCH of the wounded inside the building got shot by the cops themselves.

Blogger Noah B June 15, 2016 2:03 PM  

Sure, the NRA also mentions due process protections. Spend tens of thousands of dollars in legal bills, and after a few years, you might be able to buy a gun again.

Anonymous nrabetrayedus June 15, 2016 2:13 PM  

I think his logic goes this way: Hezbollah opposes Israel so I support Hezbollah. ISIS is pro-islamic state and opposes the US which I hate so I support ISIS.

It doesn't have to be logical, just emotional reaction fueled by his hate of America.

The Brady bill forever destroyed my estimation of the NRA. Cucks one and all until they repeal the brady bill.

Blogger Craig Pepe June 15, 2016 2:17 PM  

just like 10 years ago I have been inspired by Vox to create a blog, the primary objective is to help get Trump elected, but I will talk about other stuff too. use a lot of big words it will be stupendous, non-trolls are welcome

http://craigpepe.blogspot.com/

http://craigpepe.blogspot.com/

Anonymous BGKB June 15, 2016 2:18 PM  

Disney reported false fag moslem 2 months ago for casing the joint. See something Say something FBI do nothing
http://pamelageller.com/2016/06/disney-world-alerted-fbi-to-omar-mateen-and-wife-in-april-law-enforcement-says.html/

Don't cut off our supply of Palestinian rent boys http://pamelageller.com/2016/06/head-of-jewish-lgbtq-group-fears-for-muslims-after-attack.html/

Blogger Elder Son June 15, 2016 2:20 PM  

No fly list: There isn't much anyone can do about it. It will happen, or it won't. If it does, and you find yourself on the no fly list, are you going to turn in your guns? If they come for your guns, will you let them take your guns?

Now, they have put you in the, position. Considering that the narrative has been soaked into the heads of the feelz. And they will pound on it. And they will pound on it again when this happens again. They are not working on you. They are working on their allies, the fence sitters, and more importantly, your posterity. Conditioning. As the man said, who are you? You will pass on.

Now, let's assume that this does happen. Their first targets for the no fly will be the most vocal. They will come for your guns. If your convictions are in their proper place and firm, you will have to fight back. Some of you will die. But every revolution has its martyrs.

Bracken starts at 55 minute mark: https://youtu.be/jv6hqm_wVMI?t=54m44s

You might as well make that decision now.

Blogger FALPhil June 15, 2016 2:36 PM  

@134 Noah B
Note that the Brady Law, now more than 20 years old, already has a provision for allowing the FBI to arbitrarily delay a gun sale (for 5 days, I believe). To be able to instantly purchase a gun, one needs to either be approved by the FBI's NICS system or have passed a previous background check, e.g. by having a carry license.

Or, in most states, engage a private sale. NICS only applies to transactions with FFL holders in most of the USA.

Regardless, there is no law against building your own in most places, and many more people than you know have such activities as a hobby. There are more than a few "how-to" websites. Homebuilts also have the advantage of not being in a system.

Anonymous Discard June 15, 2016 2:36 PM  

How many Nazis ever read Hitler's book? How many NKVD executioners knew the ins and outs of Kremlin politics? How many Catholics really know their Bible? That this Moslem killer did not know much about the various factions back in Sand Land doesn't make him any less Islamic that the typical Nazi was a Nazi. The common perception that a Moslem killer is a Moslem killer is correct.

Anonymous Dave June 15, 2016 2:39 PM  

"They are not going to be happy until all religions that reject homosexuality are obliterated."

I am totally OK with this if the gays agree to obliterate Islam first, as it is the most anti-homosexual religion. Anyone who talks about "homophobia" without calling out Islam in particular is full of shit.

Anonymous FP June 15, 2016 2:42 PM  

This is just hilarious, NY Daily news journalist writes about ar15s, gets called girly man. Cries next day. Even Eric Erikson, cuck extraordinaire called the guy a wuss.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gun-lovers-opinion-assault-rifles-article-1.2674555

Blogger Noah B June 15, 2016 2:45 PM  

@FALPhil

Thanks for the info & I am well aware. But none of that justifies or excuses NRA's or Trump's attacks on firearms ownership. After "our side" caves on watch lists, what will the progs come after next?

Anonymous Discard June 15, 2016 3:06 PM  

Cui Bono? Trump.

That guy will make a hell of a President.

Blogger Dave June 15, 2016 3:08 PM  

@Dave

Find another handle brother.

Anonymous WaterBoy June 15, 2016 3:12 PM  

Anonymous: "I wonder what you think of Trump's new gun initiative....Giving the government power to put people on lists which will decide if you get to have a gun or not"

It's all just a clever move to disqualify Hillary from running for office.

Anonymous andon June 15, 2016 4:09 PM  

Dave June 15, 2016 2:39 PM
"They are not going to be happy until all religions that reject homosexuality are obliterated."

I am totally OK with this if the gays agree to obliterate Islam first, as it is the most anti-homosexual religion. Anyone who talks about "homophobia" without calling out Islam in particular is full of shit.


got that right. same with the f'ing feminists

Anonymous Just Asking June 15, 2016 5:48 PM  

Isn't Hillary Clinton under FBI investigation? Shouldn't she be not just on the "no-fly" list, but also on the "no access to nuclear weapons launch codes" list, too?

Anonymous Odd Wobble June 15, 2016 5:49 PM  

I had heard that bit about gay crime being unusually violent

See: Thomas Tsunetomi Noguchi, a former Chief Medical Examiner-Coroner for the County of Los Angeles, who served in that position from 1967 to 1982. He's the source I've see given for the quote on over-the-top violence of gay murder. Just imagine how many gay murder corpses he's seen.

OpenID randkoch June 15, 2016 6:00 PM  

Discard wrote:How many Nazis ever read Hitler's book? How many NKVD executioners knew the ins and outs of Kremlin politics? How many Catholics really know their Bible? That this Moslem killer did not know much about the various factions back in Sand Land doesn't make him any less Islamic that the typical Nazi was a Nazi. The common perception that a Moslem killer is a Moslem killer is correct.

Absolutely.

(And I'll be stealing that thought!)

Interesting how, on the one hand, it's a radical Islamist. But on the other hand, VD was right that he's gay. But this perp would have been a jihadi even if he was straight.

Anonymous indyjones June 15, 2016 6:09 PM  

Being gay and Muslim is common. There are more sexual perverts in Islam than they will admit to and it's likely that Dad had been buggering him for years. Ann Barnhardt has several blog pieces on Muslims and gays.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 7:11 PM  

@110 Jack

I had heard that bit about gay crime being unusually violent, does anyone have a source or something that I can spring on my coworkers the next time they complain about crimes AGAINST gays being violent?
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I can only say that anecdotally it is probably talking about bull dikes beating the crap out of their girlfriend.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 7:14 PM  

@111 luciussomesuch
--It makes sense for a psy-ops campaign to cast Muslim terrorists if the ultimate goal is to provoke non-psy-ops counter-violence from White people tired of living in fear.
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I actually suspect this is what is happening in general. The lefties get a boner every time there is a mass shooting hoping it is a right wing christian hetero male. and it never is.

They are desperate for their fantasy to come true.

Then you have such as Obamil, who can't say ISIS, who would love to sick forth the hounds against gun owners, declare martial law, try and circumvent the upcoming election, etc.

Don't know any of this is true, but I have a suspicious mind :P

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 7:19 PM  

Wasn't it sometime last year that there was a sort of military operation happening in Texas, without the consent of Texas? Wonder what that was about? Practicing for martial law maybe?

Yesterday BB dropped the bomb with proof that Obamis and Hitlery are behind ISIS.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/

And they love to bring these over here.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 7:30 PM  

@130 FP
"The NRA is for gun control?"

Well, the autistic conservatives like McConnel are talking about new laws right now. The dems are whinging in the senate and DHS head jackass Jeh Johnson is saying gun control is his agency's issue now.
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If anyone had any doubt about the uniparty, this should dispel it.

Bitch McCuckle coming out for gun control?
You knew the lefties would push it, they always push it.

Hopefully the people from Kentucky will rein in their moron before he gets hurt.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 15, 2016 7:45 PM  

DHS head jackass Jeh Johnson is saying gun control is his agency's issue now.

For the record Jeh is just another of 0's money handlers, that's how he got that job. Watching him on the telescreen I can't help but wonder if he's too stupid to realize where his VaterlandSecuritat gun grab will lead, or if he really wants to start some kind of insurrection and real, shooting, race war?

MPAI, yeah, but still.

Anonymous BGKB June 15, 2016 8:08 PM  

He's the source I've see given for the quote on over-the-top violence of gay murder. Just imagine how many gay murder corpses he's seen

But how many of those were Mexicans wanting to steal the money of those looking for $5 wetback BJs.

Watching him on the telescreen I can't help but wonder if he's too stupid to realize where his VaterlandSecuritat gun grab will lead

Even smart leftists do stupid things, Oscar Wilde went to jail for suing for libel thinking it couldn't be proved he was gay & Allen Turning went to jail for trying to frame his underage ex boyfriend.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 15, 2016 8:21 PM  

Saker used "Daesh" to describe the ISIS Caliphate and a bunch of other words that are hard for westerners to pronounce. Prime indicator he only has a cursory knowledge of the subject but is trying sound soooper knowledgeable.

A lot of people use "Daesh" because to call them "Islamic State" lends them the undeserved legitimacy of statehood. I don't think much of The Saker, but his use of the term might indicate a conscious decision rather than ignorance.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 15, 2016 8:46 PM  

"Although I have recently found out about Kratman's beer goggles in his new article."

Tsk, Steve; if you had read carefully you would have seen I hadn't had a drink on any of those occasions. Double-tsk.

Blogger Feather Blade June 15, 2016 10:39 PM  

@160 My understanding is that "DAESH" is a derogatory acronym.

Blogger dfordoom June 16, 2016 3:40 AM  

However, not only are gays more likely to commit violent crime, but when the violence of a murder is particularly over the top, the police and profilers usually assume, correctly, that the perpetrator is gay.

Perhaps what is needed is a ban on homosexual immigration? And deportation of foreign homosexuals. Maybe Trump could give this some thought.

Blogger dfordoom June 16, 2016 8:26 AM  

@ Jack

I had heard that bit about gay crime being unusually violent

One thing you'll never hear about in the mainstream media is lesbian domestic violence. It's not only rampant - the violence levels are extreme.

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