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Wednesday, June 15, 2016

Irreconcilable conflict

West must remain West, declares Pat Buchanan:
“East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat.”

So wrote Kipling. Islam, not only in its extremist forms but in its pure form, is incompatible with modern Western democracy.

And the conflict appears irreconcilable.

The policy that should result from this reality is that while we fight side-by-side to annihilate our common enemies, ISIS and al-Qaida, the West should give up the idea of democratization and secularization of the Islamic world.

And those who believe Islam is the one true faith, to which all of mankind must eventually submit, should be told that they are welcome as visitors — but not as immigrants. For that would ensure endless conflict.

The more Islamic the West becomes, the less it remains the West.
And really, the West could doesn't need the visitors either. The outcome is either West becomes East, or Reconquesta 2.0. The sooner the West realizes this, the less violent it will be.

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Blogger tim June 15, 2016 4:18 AM  

A Leviathanical Beast (the West), never comes to self enlightenment without divine guidance. It cannot know because it has been judicially blinded.

Blogger Phillip George June 15, 2016 4:32 AM  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3640328/Gruesome-Philippine-authorities-Islamic-terrorists-behead-Canadian-hostage-Robert-Hall-kidnapped-year.html

Robert Hall apparently just got his head cut off. Barely made the news. Eiffel tower won't do the Canadian flag for even 10 minutes over his severed head. Of course it's too late for Robert to revise his thinking on multi cultic>


What's wrong with Islam? 1. It's untrue.
2. What's wrong with the West?: Item 1. doesn't matter to enough people.

But reality will hit them like the train without brakes. The same night Belshazzar saw the real supernatural he shat himself literally.

Secularism, like materialism in philosophy, has been the grandest delusions of them all. If you understand this you are in the tinniest minority.

Blogger Nick Siekierski June 15, 2016 4:33 AM  

Agreed, we've had more than enough "visitors". 480,000 overstayed their visas last year alone. An immigration moratorium now please.

Anonymous Anonymous June 15, 2016 4:37 AM  

You can't write three fucking sentences?

Anonymous Homesteader June 15, 2016 4:40 AM  

I only wanted to serve my country, raise my family, and live in the country my ancestors hacked out of the wilderness.


Today a Somalian challenged me. In my country.

This will not be pretty.

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 15, 2016 4:54 AM  

Muslims make the most noise and are so uniformly loathed that they are a useful political tool for making the leftist indoctrinated public replace the globalist elite with nationalists. The reality is that Chinese, Indians, Latinos, Filipinos, Africans, etc. are as much an existential threat to the West as Muslims. We will know progress is being made if the debate progresses from keeping out migrants because they are dangerous to keeping them out because they are inferior to keeping them out because they are different. And hopefully the housecleaning progresses similarly (banning/deporting Muslims>all third worlders>all foreigners).

Blogger Sherwood family June 15, 2016 5:02 AM  

The Islamic world appears to be the scourge allowed by God to chasten the West to return to Him. Whether the West actually does so is another question.

One of the difficulties of our muddled time is the tendency to defend all that is "ours" against all that is "theirs" or, a worse tendency, to denigrate all that is "ours" and adopt all that is "theirs".

Conservatives tend to do the former and Liberals the latter. But neither is correct. One of the beauties of the Alt-Right is its ability to reject that kind of binary thinking. It sees no need to defend all that is wrong with the West against Islam. On the other hand it is clearly not ready to get cucked into giving the Islamists support, tacit or otherwise, either.

The Alt-Right can say, in essence, "Yes, the bilge pump is seriously screwed up in my ship and we are going to have to rip it out wholly," without saying, "and therefore we should sink the ship remodel it after the some lesser model that doesn't even have a bilge pump."

In other words you don't fix the good ship by sinking it nor do you have to accept that the barnacles attached to it are a necessary part of it either.

Anonymous Discard June 15, 2016 5:14 AM  

isteve still seems to think that "citizenism", as he calls it, has a chance to work on all this international flotsam, if only we put new immigration on hold and expel the foreign troublemakers. I believe that he is very badly mistaken.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 5:19 AM  

I'll probably get hammered for this but screw it. I remember reading something about the Bush administration (#43) accepting aspects of the logic behind Samuel Huntington's thesis on "The Clash of Civilizations". I believe Huntington was correct and in believing this, I have to give "W" some props. Where do you guys stand on this?

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 15, 2016 5:29 AM  

@8 If true, it makes Dubya's failure to secure the border all the more unforgivable. But I am skeptical. He always came across as a down the line leftist.

Anonymous Philipp June 15, 2016 5:32 AM  

Pat Buchanan is right as usual. How much better things would be if he had been elected president in the 1990s.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 5:34 AM  

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Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 5:35 AM  

@9 That's a fair point. His failure (or refusal?) to prioritize a secure border gets in my craw. It was under his administration that the GOP was "kickin" that pro-amnesty drama. The constituents, actuated by talk radio (at least that how my flawed memory remembers), shut it down with calls to their respective legislators, and amnesty was dropped from further conversation.

Anonymous Philipp June 15, 2016 5:35 AM  

@8 Al: Huntington argued in his book "The Clash of Civilizations" against interventions in the other civilisations. He was against the Iraq war. He argued for good or at least working relationships with Russia and China as the core power of the Orthodox and Sinic civilisations respecetively. He would have strongley argued against the demonisation of Russian and its president Vladimir Putin.

Thus I doubt that the Bush administration took his wisedom into consideration.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 5:44 AM  

@13 Point well taken.

Anonymous Islamic Ham Sandwich June 15, 2016 5:46 AM  

Vox, I was really worried after the shooting due to your penchant for techno music. Glad to see you back in action.

When they said it was in Orlando I was worried Marco Rubio might have been killed too.

Anonymous Steve June 15, 2016 5:49 AM  

Islam: can't live with it. Sure can live without it.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 15, 2016 5:55 AM  

Americans rejected amnesty but never connected the dots to W. Why not? The buck stopped with him, right? He never got any of the blame for the border, even though he was vocal about supporting immigration, and could have shut it all down with one phone call.

Blogger Shimshon June 15, 2016 5:57 AM  

Steve Sailor's latest is interesting and relevant. Though I am skeptical that Muslims are as assimilable as their Polish and Italian predecessors. The earlier immigrants were at the very least Western. Latinos are perhaps a better fit.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 6:09 AM  

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Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 6:12 AM  

I agree with that. I always wonder what was he thinking at that time? Of course, in my mind at least, this may not have been about Bush as the executive are nothing but persons to whom the POTUS owes favors. I'm not trying to absolve #43, instead I am thinking of the nature of the executive branch. Though a single person is elected as POTUS, the constituents are actually getting a truckload of interests to whom that person owes favors. OR maybe "Dubya" actually believed amnesty was the right thing to do. In either case, the passage of time, which brings experience, shows amnesty and the absence of border restrictions to be an extraordinarily dumb and detrimental thing to do.

This "ish" is depressing. Where's my wine?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 6:13 AM  

Last commented directed @17

Blogger J A Baker June 15, 2016 6:39 AM  

It's very maddening watching g the main stream media trying to deflect from what really matters and control the narrative around the Orlando shooting. Instead if talking about how Obama, Clinton, and Kerry gave failed to keep our country safe, and how their policies will continue to pit us in danger, they are all focusing on a tweet by Donald Trump and calling for more gun control.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 15, 2016 6:58 AM  

And really, the West could doesn't need the visitors either. The outcome is either West becomes East, or Reconquesta 2.0. The sooner the West realizes this, the less violent it will be.


The first thing I read this morning when I opened my news ticker was "Orlando, questions abound. Why did he do it?"

He told them why he did it and they can't take his word for it.

The preservation of the Delusion Bubble is now the all and the everything to them. And the only thing that will break that bubble will be a lot more blood.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 15, 2016 6:59 AM  

Shimshon wrote:The earlier immigrants were at the very least Western. Latinos are perhaps a better fit.
No, not really. Irish, Italians, French & Spaniards? yes
Czechs, Bohemians, Slovaks and Germans? yes.

Poles, Latvians, Estonians, maybe.

Russians, Ukies, Romanians, Lithuanians, Serbs? No, not Western.

Polish and Russian Jews, even less.

Gypsies? are you kidding me?

Anonymous Alice De Goon June 15, 2016 7:08 AM  

I had to laugh at the Amazing Gaytheist's response video to this disaster. He apparently thinks that allowing millions of foaming at the mouth Religionists into this country is okay only as long as they're Muslim. Pointing out that these hordes would be quick to launch him off of the tallest roof (provided they had the strength to lift him) would probably do no good. (However, telling him that, by letting Muslim refugees into the country, they'll be no more room in the USG budget for his gibs or his eventual transition surgery into a lesbian might have more of an effect.)

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 15, 2016 7:17 AM  

Aristotle notes: “...when the form of the government has been altered and is different it would appear to follow that the state is no longer the same state”. (Pol. III, I, 13; 1276a; Loeb, pg 185)

I don't know what Pat Buchanan is thinking but "Western democracy" is not Western Civilization! Why do you think I harp on Throne and Altar for? Christendom is Throne and Altar. When European Protestants take an EASTERN Book, the Old Testament, to attack monarchy, they are attacking Western Civilization. Modern Republicanism, fomented by the atheists Machiavelli and Thomas Paine, destroyed Western Civilization. America is a Masonic Republic and therefore an Eastern style. Socrates and Plato were misodemoi, haters of democracy and Plato is in the words of English classicist Burnett, “…The Platonist tradition underlies the whole of western civilization”.

Modern Republicanism was the vehicle for the Judaizing, the Easternizing of the West.

Many people don't even know what they are talking about including Pat Buchanan. No one knows what is Western Culture or Civilization because we live in a Marxist society. The whole of the West is Marxist--therefore Eastern. The East, because we did not suppress the Jews, has taken over the West. We can safely say, we are all Jewish now.

Anonymous FisherOfMen June 15, 2016 7:24 AM  

Off Topic Question:

Vox, why haven't you developed a plugin similar to the (((echo))) plugin that puts echoes around names on the SJW list?

Anonymous Steve June 15, 2016 7:29 AM  

Dunno if you chaps are keeping up with the #NEVERTRUMP people, but they're not impressed with Trump's proposal to stop importing kebab. No, siree!

And apparently Trump is definitely going to lose in November, because opinion polls.

And the only way to fix this is some sort of delegate shenanigans at the Republican convention to pick Ted Cruz.

Because America is crying out for Autistic Conservatism, or something.

Blogger skiballa June 15, 2016 7:37 AM  

Alright Wheeler, I'll bite, what do we need to do to set up a monarchy here in the US?

Because failing a complete collapse and it growing organically from that, I'm just not seeing it.

Blogger Sherwood family June 15, 2016 7:48 AM  

Wheeler...dude...your argument forgets the Germanic influence in the development of Western Civilization following the end of the Roman Empire in the West. Part of that Germanic inheritance is something we call...wait for it...elective monarchy. Folkmoots, Althingi, Folketing, etc. These were bodies of common citizens that chose the chieftain or king. Even the Holy Roman Empire had electors that chose the successor, though it became a formality with the Hapsburgs. Don't conflate elective methodologies with the Old Testament alone. Throne and Altar are a subset of Western Civilization, not the whole of it.

Blogger Sherwood family June 15, 2016 7:50 AM  

Steve...I think that Autistic Conservatism is the best description of the NeverTrump# phenomenon that I have yet seen. Bravo!

Nothing matters to those guys so long as the train is fine.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 15, 2016 7:53 AM  

First thing, skiballa, is that Hierarchy is not an evil. Moses Hess, the grandfather of communism, and Karl Marx who created communism, hated---hated hierarchy. Protestants do also as did European atheists. It begins there.

All men are NOT created equal. The foundational statement of Americanism, "All men are created equal", must be rejected. "All men are created equal" is a Gnostic statement. Gnosticism is based on the hatred of Nature, and so, a hatred of Particularity. Nature creates the Royal Family, an Aristocracy, which are the warrior elite. This is not about capitalism. (People who engage in business and who become rich are not the Aristocracy and a true aristocracy is not built from the business class.)

Second, the US. Constitution forbidding distinctions of rank, must also be repudiated. This again is Gnosticism.

America is a Hebrew Republic, born out of the Scottish Presbyterian war that caused the English Civil Wars in the 17th centuries. The American Revolution was first called "The Presbyterian War". Anti-clericalism is part of this agenda.

The acceptance of monarchy is only the sign one is not anti-hierarchical, egalitarian Gnostic. It is the repudiation of the Talmudic and Old Testament influence in Western Culture and Civilization.

And then, one can have Mixed monarchy, which is classical, true, republicanism, which is at the core of Western Civilization.

Blogger stevo June 15, 2016 7:56 AM  

Here in Canada we have been taught that multiculturalism is what makes us great, and that diversity is to be celebrated at all costs. Also, never ask why?

Blogger skiballa June 15, 2016 7:57 AM  

Well thanks Wheeler, that clarifies it tremendously, should be real easy to set that up here.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 15, 2016 8:09 AM  

skiballa wrote:Well thanks Wheeler, that clarifies it tremendously, should be real easy to set that up here.

No it isn't. I understand you are facetious but yes, it is literally impossible due to the total and complete control of our culture and education by Liberals and Marxists. Our whole society is dominated and controlled by them. Indoctrination in this Gnostic cult has been going on for 400 years. Even the Christian churches one and all, have been compromised with Marxism.

But somebody must be a leader, the leader of the racial Volk. Hitler was an egalitarian, socialist, revolutionary. Trump is surrounded by Jews. Somebody must arise with authority and power to lead the WASPs out of this mess. Something must ORGANIZE resistance and then lead it. Where is that going to come from in America?

If we are to restore the West, the Jews will have to be removed from our government, from our colleges and Universities and from our Media. Who has the power to do that? Our Monarchs did long time ago. Who is going to do it today?

Blogger Sherwood family June 15, 2016 8:17 AM  

Wheeler...it is not going to happen that way. Clearing the West of Cultural Marxism will only fully occur after the people are brought to finally see how destructive it has been to their own interests. Once the principles of Cult-Marx have been allowed to play out, i.e. once people have seen the U.S. and parts of Europe crash and burn or come close to crashing and burning as a result then the Cultural Marxism will be banished, along with many of its purveyors.

You are already seeing people repudiate it even now. Those voices which are marginalized at present will be impossible to drown out eventually. That is the Alt-Right in a nutshell. A loose coalition of individuals opposing the Cult-Marxists and other non-reality based ideologies.

Blogger YIH June 15, 2016 8:33 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:I'll probably get hammered for this but screw it. I remember reading something about the Bush administration (#43) accepting aspects of the logic behind Samuel Huntington's thesis on "The Clash of Civilizations". I believe Huntington was correct and in believing this, I have to give "W" some props. Where do you guys stand on this?
Which two-term President said ''Islam is a religion of peace''?
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
Barak Obama

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 8:45 AM  

@37
I think you are being a bit disingenuous. Post 9/11 realities exclude Clinton (although the hijackers came into the US and started training under his "watch". Bush and Obama are certainly in play. Bush is a mixed bag. Your link definitely works but unlike Obama, he was not afraid to wage war and, to some extent, point out the problem. Obama, on the other hand, refuses to mention Islam. I'm not trying to be pro-Bush but I am trying to make an attempt to weight the facts of each administration. That's all I can do at this point.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2016 8:52 AM  

Orlando the incident is third world 'Murka laying waste to third world 'Murka, my outrage is muted.

Not that I wanted anything like that to happen it is what the third world is these days, it wouldn't surprise me within an election cycle you won't be able to tell the crimes of ISIL controlled Iraq from third world 'Murka.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 15, 2016 8:56 AM  

" Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 15, 2016 5:55 AM
Americans rejected amnesty but never connected the dots to W. Why not? The buck stopped with him, right? He never got any of the blame for the border, even though he was vocal about supporting immigration, and could have shut it all down with one phone call."


As the executive branch garners more power the perennial excuse of the legislative or judicial branches blocking executive action becomes a thinner thread on which to hang those excuses. They're all lying sacks of shit.

The form of government means nothing when the men within it refuse to act in the best interests of the nation. If those men and by extension the people they lead do not fear God then the whole exercise is so much smoke. Another nation relegated to the list of extinct peoples.

May a new nation form in these lands. A land purposely poor in selfishness and rich in generosity. A nation that sees earthly government as the enslaver that it is. A people that govern themselves. A people that practices justice and mercy.

Yeah, yeah, shut up, let me dream. I'm envisioning a time after the troubles we all see coming.

Blogger MadCow June 15, 2016 9:00 AM  

OK, can you explain why split Lithuanians and Latvians in two separate groups? And what makes them not Western compared to Latvians?

Anonymous Steve June 15, 2016 9:11 AM  

Sherwood family - thanks. I'm pretty sure a lot of the NeverTrump folks are on the spectrum.

From what I gather they would much rather lose with muh conservatives principles than win with populist nationalism.

But even more than that, they're actively hoping for a Hillary victory so they can spend the next 4-8 years on a steady diet of conservative outrage porn, spiced up with smugly saying "I told ya so!" to Trump fans.

It's way beyond normal butthurt. It's neuroatypical.

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 15, 2016 9:13 AM  

@39 Hasn't that been the case with all terror attacks in the US? Maybe 9/11 had a majority of native casualties but I doubt it. San Bernadino was mainly foreigners.

Blogger YIH June 15, 2016 9:14 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:@37

I think you are being a bit disingenuous. Post 9/11 realities exclude Clinton (although the hijackers came into the US and started training under his "watch". Bush and Obama are certainly in play. Bush is a mixed bag. Your link definitely works but unlike Obama, he was not afraid to wage war and, to some extent, point out the problem. Obama, on the other hand, refuses to mention Islam. I'm not trying to be pro-Bush but I am trying to make an attempt to weight the facts of each administration. That's all I can do at this point.

No, not really. Those photos were taken just months after 9/11. You do know where 15 of the 19 hijackers (and Bin Laden) came from, right?
Didn't do anything to kick out CAIR either.

Blogger Natalie June 15, 2016 9:25 AM  

How many people are referring to Trump as the god emperor and calling for Don Jr to run? I could see relaxed term limits and name familiarity start morphing into an informal monarchy with power naturally aggregating around strong men as the marxist power structure starts to fall apart. It wouldn't be big M Monarchy, but I could see it morphing into de facto monarchy.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 15, 2016 9:25 AM  

@44 When I said disingenuous, I was pointing out an exclusion of important facts and details for each Presidential administration you referenced earlier. This exclusion can lead a person to believe that you were attempting to argue that the administrations of Clinton and Obama differed from that of Bush in that they did not view Islam as "the religion of peace". Surely that was not your intent, correct?

Anonymous FanBoy June 15, 2016 9:32 AM  

"How many people are referring to Trump as the god emperor and calling for Don Jr to run? I could see relaxed term limits and name familiarity start morphing into an informal monarchy with power naturally aggregating around strong men as the marxist power structure starts to fall apart."

For this to even be part of the discussion you have to have a "strong man" to begin with who can attract the allegiance of a pretty sizable part of the population. We don't have that yet, and certainly not in Trump.

Shit, at the moment, Trump is getting his ass handed to him by a girl. And he apparently can't convince the rest of the girls in the country to line up behind him, let alone his party.

What's unfortunate is that pretty soon, the remaining Trump supporters who haven't endorsed despair or gone over to Johnson (95%???) will start hoping and praying for more terror attacks.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2016 9:47 AM  

Honestly this is standard conservative fare from Pat, the usual no guile, the truth will win out hope against hope oh dear god give us good things for praying. I frankly cannot fathom why it is conservatives refuse to win?

Force Obama to tell Muslims they can choose between Islam or not, they have a choice.

Anonymous FanBoy June 15, 2016 9:50 AM  

"Force Obama to tell Muslims they can choose between Islam or not, they have a choice."

How, MantraMan?

Anonymous Michael Morley June 15, 2016 9:51 AM  

Slightly off topic, but as a fan of Kipling I think Buchanan picked the wrong quote as the context runs counter to his point. The next two lines of that refrain are

"But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, tho they come from the ends of the Earth."

Kipling is nowadays (in)famous for "The White Man's Burden", but much of his work evinces faith in a martial culture of honor and bravery that transcends culture and race (as in Ballad of East & West) or even in the possibility and possible superiority of a cultural synthesis (as in Kim).

Anonymous ticticboom June 15, 2016 9:52 AM  

@MadCow:

In my experience, Lithuanians are practically Poles, the other Baltics more Russian. The Polish/Ukrainian border is probably the most obvious place where the West ends.

Blogger MadCow June 15, 2016 10:01 AM  

As lithuanian I find this rather interesting, because Lithuanians/Latvians are almost the same, genetics, language, we are 'balts' while polish and russians are slavs.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2016 10:01 AM  

Its so simple, the right asks Obama to address muslims that they have freedom of conscience, they can choose Islam or not, muslims have a choice. What is Obama going to do consign Muslims to a long outdated religious precept, damn I want to write Trump's tweets. Muslims, they have a choice, they have a choice.

But NO, the right wing loves their blood and guts stories or tales of muslim perfidy to make themselves feel better. Dare I say conservatives never look for weak spots, fuck that shit I look for weak spots and as Robb points out it is FEALTY to Islam that screams weakness we can exploit in about a million ways.

Anonymous FanBoy June 15, 2016 10:18 AM  

"Its so simple, the right asks Obama to address muslims that they have freedom of conscience, they can choose Islam or not"

What makes you think Obama would hear this request and not simply ignore it? What makes you think that any significant part of the citizenry thinks Muslims ought to disavow Islam?

Doesn't make sense.

Anonymous Steve June 15, 2016 10:25 AM  

pretty soon, the remaining Trump supporters who haven't endorsed despair or gone over to Johnson

Lol.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 15, 2016 10:28 AM  

Just ask, I know conservatives do not like to ask questions of anybody especially of the Left but hell nothing beats an interrogation for a mental beatdown.

Trump could pose my question to Obama, and yes Obama will ignore it but the target is the discrediting of the Leftist project not whether we can get the Muslim by birth in the White House to address his fellow muslims.

I want to drive a wedge between the left and Islam and I have the wedge, we need a hammer. If even a conservative/cuckservative high enough up the food chain asks this question the Imans and Mullahs and warlords of Islam will probably howl and certainly the few lefties who can think will howl since they understand the wedge issue, but I'm looking to discredit both by having them amp up the craziness.

Anonymous Wilhelm Tell June 15, 2016 10:34 AM  

Wheeler
Christendom is Throne and Altar.

Do you consider Switzerland to be part of Christendom?

Blogger Chris Mallory June 15, 2016 10:40 AM  

@32 So Wheeler, are you a "warrior elite" or are you a serf?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 15, 2016 10:41 AM  

The form of government means nothing when the men within it refuse to act in the best interests of the nation.

Sort of like a corrupt aristocracy, then? Mutual backscratching, private profit, public cost, that sort of business?

"Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush…" GW Bush

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 15, 2016 10:42 AM  

How long has Pat been fighting the good fight? The man's a hero.

Anonymous FanBoy June 15, 2016 10:42 AM  

"Lol"

Steve: Johnson - 9%!!!!
If that drops in half, Trump still loses.

Blogger The Remnant June 15, 2016 11:03 AM  

Insulating the West from Islam is not enough; the West is hardly worthy of the name anymore and needs to be restored if at all possible. Purging Islam from our shores is the first step, not the last. It appears many people loathe Islam because it threatens the status quo, but the status quo is itself loathsome.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 15, 2016 11:04 AM  

4. Homesteader
I only wanted to serve my country, raise my family, and live in the country my ancestors hacked out of the wilderness.

Today a Somalian challenged me. In my country.


Problem is, your countrymen - especially the 'Christians' - are very likely the ones who are getting paid by the government ostensibly elected by the majority of your countrymen to provide resettlement services for the Somalian colonist. Your country is controlled in all major institutions by folks with zero allegiance to you or the country itself. A banking cartel made up of mostly dual-citizens and foreigners calls the shots, even in the supposedly 'Christian' churches. It's good that you've awakened to the reality of the colonizers.

Anonymous FanBoy June 15, 2016 11:07 AM  

"4. Homesteader
I only wanted to serve my country, raise my family, and live in the country my ancestors hacked out of the wilderness."

Well, there's always that time machine in your basement.

Anonymous Steve June 15, 2016 11:25 AM  

Fanboy - Johnson won't get 9%, or anywhere close to 9%. He'll be extremely lucky if he can double his 2012 result of 0.9%. And he won't be picking up Trump supporters. MAGA =/= buttsecks and marijuana.

I'm highly suspicious of any poll that gives Hillary a double digit advantage at this point, because that doesn't smell right and doesn't fit with the average of recent polls, but she's probably ahead by a few points right now.

All that means is Trump has a lot of persuading to do between now and November. He's got to beat Hillary and the media too, but any Republican nominee would've faced that challenge, not just Trump.

At one point Michael Dukakis - who was infinitely more likeable than Hillary - had a 17 point lead over George Bush.

Guess how that turned out?

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 15, 2016 11:37 AM  

Al from Bay Shore
I think you are being a bit disingenuous. Post 9/11 realities exclude Clinton (although the hijackers came into the US and started training under his "watch". Bush and Obama are certainly in play. Bush is a mixed bag. Your link definitely works but unlike Obama, he was not afraid to wage war and, to some extent, point out the problem. Obama, on the other hand, refuses to mention Islam. I'm not trying to be pro-Bush but I am trying to make an attempt to weight the facts of each administration. That's all I can do at this point.

You're not defending Bush but you're not seeing the truth about the wars he launched either. They had nothing to do with fighting Islam. Saddam's Baathist regime suppressed Shiite Musloids and the radical (e.g. Orthodox) Sunnis alike. At the same time the Neo-Cohen cheerleaders like Littlest Chickenhawk were touting the virtues of white boys going over there to 'fight them Muzzies', Jorge Busheron's criminal regime was importing Musloids by the millions into the USSA. The policy of the Banana Empire has been to promote the more radical elements within Sunni Islam at the expense of a) Christians from the Balkans to the Middle East to Russia; b) Shiites (who are generally more tolerant of non-Musloids); and c) other non-Musloids (like Alawites, Yezidis, Druze, etc.). ISIS is a creation of the Banana Empire, Israel and the Saudis - set in play to destroy the non-Islamic (Alawite) regime of Syria. Meanwhile, the Banana Empire, the (((usual suspects))) and their EUSSR lickspittle leftoids are promoting a full-scale Musloid/African invasion of Europe. Anyone who tells you that any western puppet-regime is "fighting Islam" is either lying outright or a complete ignoramus.

Blogger Gordon June 15, 2016 12:01 PM  

Pat Buchanan never wanted, nor expected, to be president. He ran in order to use the federal matching funds as a way to fund Bay, his sister's, retirement. By having her as his advertising manager, she was able to take a 7 percent commission on all advertising dollars spent. As he was able to raise many millions, most eligible for federal matching funds, that fundraising was greatly enhanced by the federal handout.

In 1992 Pat spent $14.5 million, $5 million of that from the FEC.

In 1996 he spent $32 million, $10.5 of that from the FEC.

In 2000 he spent just under $27 million, $17 million of that from the FEC.

Now not all of that was spent on advertising, but most probably was as it is typically the top expense of campaigns. Considering that Pat has never liked the idea of federal funding of campaigns, it must have been sweet indeed to have the FEC feather his sister Bay's (who was once Treasurer of the US) retirement.

Anonymous FanBoy June 15, 2016 12:14 PM  

"I'm highly suspicious of any poll that gives Hillary a double digit advantage at this point, because that doesn't smell right and doesn't fit with the average of recent polls, but she's probably ahead by a few points right now."

This is the poll that takes into consideration the Judge fallout and Hillary's capture of the nomination. Just as Trump got his boost when he won the GOP delegate count, so did Hillary now. Add to this what might seem the same, but is different: the demise of Bernie.

Trump hasn't figured out that he's no longer talking to a GOP audience. Now he's talking to Independents and Democrats. Add to this that he has a very negligible campaign structure and nothing like the GOP surrogates on board.

Now, watch what happens when Johnson starts getting lots of media attention. Watch what happens when he gets into the debates (which Hillary won't oppose). You can bet everything you have tha Johnson will more than double his 2012 votes.

Anonymous Steve June 15, 2016 12:18 PM  

Now, watch what happens when Johnson starts getting lots of media attention.

Lol.

You can bet everything you have tha Johnson will more than double his 2012 votes.

Lolbertarian.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 15, 2016 12:31 PM  

Wilhelm Tell wrote:Wheeler

Christendom is Throne and Altar.

Do you consider Switzerland to be part of Christendom?


Always have. Diversity has always been a part of Western Civilization. The typical governments of Europe have been Monarchies. There have always been other types like the Venetian Republic, the Papal States, and Switzerland. What is important is the TRADITIONAL forms of government.

So you are telling me that the forced elimination of Monarchies is Western Civilization? Absolutely not.

Chris Mallory wrote:@32 So Wheeler, are you a "warrior elite" or are you a serf?

I'm a Spartan, a warrior philosopher--separate class of people.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 12:44 PM  

@4 Homesteader

Today a Somalian challenged me. In my country.
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What happened?

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 12:47 PM  

@10 Philipp
Pat Buchanan is right as usual. How much better things would be if he had been elected president in the 1990s.
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Yes, I voted for him twice

Blogger Chris Mallory June 15, 2016 12:47 PM  

W.LindsayWheeler wrote:I'm a Spartan, a warrior philosopher--separate class of people.

I have always pictured you as a boot licking toady in a sweat stained polyester suit.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 12:55 PM  

@27 FisherOfMen
Off Topic Question:

Vox, why haven't you developed a plugin similar to the (((echo))) plugin that puts echoes around names on the SJW list?
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Would need something different for SJWs.
~~~TrigglyPuff~~~
)))TrigglyPuff(((

or something like that.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 12:56 PM  

@28 Steve
Dunno if you chaps are keeping up with the #NEVERTRUMP people,
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They are like that old saying from the Adams Family or w/e

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 12:58 PM  

@32 W.LindsayWheeler
First thing, skiballa, is that Hierarchy is not an evil. Moses Hess, the grandfather of communism, and Karl Marx who created communism, hated---hated hierarchy. Protestants do also as did European atheists. It begins there.
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Really? Was there a king in Athens?

Anonymous BGKB June 15, 2016 1:07 PM  

Now, watch what happens when Johnson starts getting lots of media attention.

As the KING of CUCKS

Blogger tz June 15, 2016 2:25 PM  

Buchanan has been sounding the alarm for years, but the GOP response has been "elect us and we will eventually get to that". It is not that we know Trump would deliver, but that we knew the other dozen wouldn't and even today they've learned nothing (McConnell wants to talk with the Dems over gun control).

An example of effective Rhetoric, from 1852

The problem is that events are for the most part almost unreal, and certainly impersonal - even with things like Orlando. Social media has replaced the fire in the belly as well as the heart with the current fad faux outrage.

Back then, Slavery was similarly in an outrage stalemate until this book, not unlike the spell in "Dawn Treader" made the invisible visible, at least to mind's eye of the readers.

Anonymous andon June 15, 2016 5:02 PM  

Shimshon June 15, 2016 5:57 AM
Steve Sailor's latest is interesting and relevant. Though I am skeptical that Muslims are as assimilable as their Polish and Italian predecessors. The earlier immigrants were at the very least Western. Latinos are perhaps a better fit.


yeah, if you don't mind a high crime, low IQ, hostile culture that's more interested in reconquista than assimilating.

an even better fit is no immigration

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler June 15, 2016 6:14 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@32 W.LindsayWheeler

First thing, skiballa, is that Hierarchy is not an evil. Moses Hess, the grandfather of communism, and Karl Marx who created communism, hated---hated hierarchy. Protestants do also as did European atheists. It begins there.

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Really? Was there a king in Athens?


We are so Classically stunted. In actuality, democracy came out of Pireaus. The Hoplite class was not for democracy but then they were outnumbered. Socrates was part of the Hoplite class, the landowners. As this short phrase states: "The Hill quarter favored democracy, the Plain, oligarchy, and those that lived by the Seaside stood for mixed sort of government, and so hindered either of the other parties from prevailing." Athens was never unified under democracy. There were undercurrents of rebellion by the upper class/hoplite class. Athens in its early history did have kings. It is the slow degeneration of the people that democracy is produced. Piraeus was the home of the merchant/navy class, the standard home of revolution and progressivism.

Anonymous johnc June 15, 2016 7:31 PM  

For decades Pat Buchanan has been saying these things. Remember when most people used to be aghast at his remarks? And now everyone's like, "Well, duh Pat... tell us something we don't already know!"

My how the times change.

Anonymous andon June 15, 2016 7:37 PM  

johnc June 15, 2016 7:31 PM
For decades Pat Buchanan has been saying these things. Remember when most people used to be aghast at his remarks? And now everyone's like, "Well, duh Pat... tell us something we don't already know!"

My how the times change.


I wanted to be part of the Pitchfork Brigade

Blogger Were-Puppy June 15, 2016 8:56 PM  

@80 W.LindsayWheeler

We are so Classically stunted. In actuality, democracy came out of Pireaus. The Hoplite class was not for democracy but then they were outnumbered. Socrates was part of the Hoplite class, the landowners. As this short phrase states: "The Hill quarter favored democracy, the Plain, oligarchy, and those that lived by the Seaside stood for mixed sort of government, and so hindered either of the other parties from prevailing." Athens was never unified under democracy. There were undercurrents of rebellion by the upper class/hoplite class. Athens in its early history did have kings. It is the slow degeneration of the people that democracy is produced. Piraeus was the home of the merchant/navy class, the standard home of revolution and progressivism.
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Yes, but the point is, there was no monarch.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man June 15, 2016 11:25 PM  

Homesteader...

“I only wanted to serve my country, raise my family, and live in the country my ancestors hacked out of the wilderness.”

So do millions of white, black, red, and brown Americans. There’s no difference.

Bobby Farr...

“The reality is that Chinese, Indians, Latinos, Filipinos, Africans, etc. are as much an existential threat to the West as Muslims”



That’s not reality, that’s more like fear and loathing of humanity.


Wheeler...

“Who is going to do it today?”


How about you? You seem up to the task, "warrior Spartan".

Regardless, few, if any, America citizens understand, nor concern themselves, with the “West”. Why should they? There's really no need to.

Blogger Rusty Fife June 15, 2016 11:43 PM  

Rhetoric Man wrote:Regardless, few, if any, America citizens understand, nor concern themselves, with the “West”. Why should they? There's really no need to

It's probably because they've consistently been indoctrinated that the West is homophobic, sexist, anti-semetic, and racist. If they consider it too much, they will lose their livelyhood.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man June 16, 2016 9:08 AM  

"It's probably because they've consistently been indoctrinated that the West is homophobic, sexist, anti-semetic, and racist. If they consider it too much, they will lose their livelyhood."

Right, tens of millions of whites have been duped over the past five decades. They are unable to think for themselves. Because media.

And, as if YOU know better than your fellow whites. That would characterize you as an elitist.

Blogger Rusty Fife June 16, 2016 10:47 AM  

Rhetoric Man wrote:"It's probably because they've consistently been indoctrinated that the West is homophobic, sexist, anti-semetic, and racist. If they consider it too much, they will lose their livelyhood."

Right, tens of millions of whites have been duped over the past five decades. They are unable to think for themselves. Because media.

And, as if YOU know better than your fellow whites. That would characterize you as an elitist.


I can accept the alternative explanation that the West is homophobic, sexist, anti-semetic, and racist. How about you?

Blogger Rusty Fife June 16, 2016 10:51 AM  

Rhetoric Man wrote:And, as if YOU know better than your fellow whites. That would characterize you as an elitist.

It's not like the Fabian Left hasn't been explicit and public about their agenda to change the West since the 19th century. I guess it is now "elitist" to notice that people hate me for who I am.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 16, 2016 11:14 AM  

andon wrote:an even better fit is no immigration
Half of American jobs will disappear in the next 20 years, automated out of existence.

Automation makes immigration obsolete.

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