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Sunday, June 05, 2016

Let the denunciations begin

"No intelligent white man or woman, in his or her right, white mind, wants black boys and black girls marrying their white sons and daughters, and in return, introducing their grandchildren as half-brown, kinky-haired black people."
- Muhammad Ali

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124 Comments:

Anonymous White West June 05, 2016 1:17 PM  

Muhammad Ali was an anti-American, draft dodging Muslim.

But I'll give him the race mixing thing.

Anonymous Kel-Tec PF9 June 05, 2016 1:17 PM  

Ali was one of the good ones.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 05, 2016 1:19 PM  

Eff the draft

Blogger Dan Patterson June 05, 2016 1:27 PM  

Ah yes, the truth. Is does burn some, doesn't it?

Blogger Chris Mallory June 05, 2016 1:29 PM  

@1,
No, he didn't dodge the draft. He showed up and refused to take the oath. He then stood to suffer the consequences. Those are the acts of an honorable man. Running to Canada or looking for every exemption and loophole in the book were draft dodging and the acts of cowards.

Anonymous Quartermaster June 05, 2016 1:34 PM  

Ol' Cassius was a raaaaacist! I remember that interview, and it didn't go over well with the libtard crowd then either.

@5
You're entitled to your opinion, but he wasn't an honorable man.

Blogger tz June 05, 2016 1:42 PM  

Wasn't he a Muslim?
ot: cUKed vs Brexit.
also:
EBT fail

Blogger JACIII June 05, 2016 1:44 PM  

Respect.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 05, 2016 1:47 PM  

Har!

I'd already bookmarked that video as well as saving a copy.  It is going to be great for riling up libtards.

Anonymous JI June 05, 2016 1:48 PM  

Ali was a very wise man. Complicated, but wise.

Blogger JACIII June 05, 2016 1:49 PM  

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Blogger The Kurgan June 05, 2016 1:51 PM  

He was a man. May he rest in peace and may God accept him despite his error in judgement in choosing the fake religion of Islam.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 05, 2016 1:56 PM  

So very true.

So very wise.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 05, 2016 1:59 PM  

Did Ali dodge or simply refused?

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 2:00 PM  

Cashius Clay should have BMF inscribed on his tombstone.

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 2:01 PM  

"Muhammad Ali was an anti-American, draft dodging Muslim."

He didn't dodge the draft. He didn't run to canada like some bitch. And it cost him 3 prime years of his boxing career.

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 2:05 PM  

also telling that he made a distinction about his american black woman.

culturally and genetically American blacks are not even close to the same as other blacks.

Anonymous Clay June 05, 2016 2:06 PM  

Good point, Nate...and Lord only knows what those three years could have done to change boxing forever.

Anonymous whitemongel June 05, 2016 2:08 PM  

"No Vietnamese ever called me a Nigger"

Blogger James Dixon June 05, 2016 2:16 PM  

> Cashius Clay should have BMF inscribed on his tombstone.

As long as it has Cassius Clay inscribed on it too. It was almost criminal for him to change his name, given who he was named for.

Blogger Josh June 05, 2016 2:16 PM  

He didn't dodge the draft. He didn't run to canada like some bitch. And it cost him 3 prime years of his boxing career.

Unlike, say, the presumptive god emperor trump and his five deferments.

Blogger haus frau June 05, 2016 2:17 PM  

White west,
Does it matter the nature of the war he refused to fight? What did any American gain from fighting communists in vietnam? Whose interests was that war fought for? I cannot belittle a man who refuses to go to war on principle. It is not the same as clinton dodging the draft and bush getting a gig in the national guard and then both sending braver men off to die in their frivolous wars.
As for being a Muslim, well, that's unfortunate .

Blogger Josh June 05, 2016 2:18 PM  

also telling that he made a distinction about his american black woman.

culturally and genetically American blacks are not even close to the same as other blacks.


Unlike the Mexican hordes protesting trump, American blacks, especially in the South, don't want to turn America into another country.

Anonymous Susan June 05, 2016 2:20 PM  

He is also on the record for stating after he returned from a bout in Africa that he was very glad that his ancestors were on the boat that brought him to America. He has also stated that he loves his country. How many other blacks have admitted that freely?
Following the rules as they were then isn't dodging Josh. Running to Canada most certainly was though.

Blogger Salt June 05, 2016 2:23 PM  

Nate wrote:it cost him 3 prime years of his boxing career.

Because he wouldn't take the proscribed Oath of the Plantation. Ironic though, he being a black man, involuntary servitude, and all.

Anonymous andon June 05, 2016 2:32 PM  

ALI: I IS THE GREATEST!! did I tell you?

me: yeah, about 95 times. and if you gotta tell me, you probly aint

Anonymous White West June 05, 2016 2:33 PM  

OK, I take back the draft dodging part. He did indeed stand up and take the consequences.

Anonymous Icicle June 05, 2016 2:38 PM  

It's been shown in genetic studies that certain populations have higher rates of certain disorders and diseases, i.e. Tay-Sachs disease in Ashkenazi.

It's also been shown in genetic studies that Eurasians (Asian + European) have higher rates of certain disorders.

- Are the genes not mixing properly?
- Why?
- Which ones?
- Can it be fixed?

Would that give credence to the claim that female Eurasians fare better than male Eurasians? I'm looking at you, Elliot Rodger.

You said yourself Vox in your family tree the Chippewa popped-up more in you. How long does it take for the genes to melt away?

Take Mexico with Mestizos for instance. You had Aztec (and other Indio populations) + Spaniard. That would be violent + hot-blooded.

Does that not sound like modern Mexico?

Anonymous Cyclone Bob June 05, 2016 2:42 PM  

Haus frau: what did any American gain from fighting communists in vietnam

We got a flood of vc refugees, who opened a bunch of vc restaurants. De. Fucking. Licious!

Anonymous Clay June 05, 2016 2:42 PM  

I like to see "prescribed" and "proscribied" being used correctly.

Blogger haus frau June 05, 2016 2:46 PM  

Cyclone bob,
I stand corrected. VC sure know how to make a bad dog good again.

Blogger L' Aristokrato June 05, 2016 2:47 PM  

Funny how a guy who supposedly had an IQ below 80 and whose career consisted of getting repeatedly punched in the head is capable of invoking more truth and common sense than damn near the whole of the "intellectual/academic/media" class...
I guess it is true, some notions are so stupid, it takes a smart person to be able to fool itself int believing it.

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 3:01 PM  

"yeah, about 95 times. and if you gotta tell me, you probly aint"

It ain't braggin' if you can back it up.


Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 3:02 PM  

"As long as it has Cassius Clay inscribed on it too. It was almost criminal for him to change his name, given who he was named for."

His mama call him Clay. Imma call him Clay.

Anonymous Joe Clazier June 05, 2016 3:08 PM  

You betta not!

Anonymous Stevee June 05, 2016 3:10 PM  

Voxday,

There is a youtube video titled "Muhammad Ali was a Racist-- & That's A-OK!" by Black Pigeon Speaks.

The video shows part of this talk with the English talk show host,video of Ali speaking in front of a crowd criticizing race mixing for blacks, and Ali speaking with another interviewer.

In the Black Pigeon Speaks video, Ali is shown saying in front of a crowd "We're not seeking to lose our identity in blood mixing and our beautiful black African history"

Anonymous coyote June 05, 2016 3:19 PM  

"what did any American gain from fighting communists in vietnam?" many shekels. military career advancements. crowd control techniques. etc.

Anonymous andon June 05, 2016 3:22 PM  

32. Nate June 05, 2016 3:01 PM

It ain't braggin' if you can back it up.


eh, he was a punk.

I was a fan of Smokin Joe. Joe fought men bigger than him almost always. But they didn't have Joe's heart.

Blogger Elder Son June 05, 2016 3:41 PM  

I fail to see why the draft is even relevant here.

He didn't allow himself to be drafted, and he is a pussy?

Graves are filled with dumb-asses who allowed themselves to be drafted, and for, what?

Your fredumb? Your libertard? Your virtue? The consteetootion? Because of the god-almighty institution? Because of, congress? Because USA! USA! USA!

Blogger Noah B June 05, 2016 3:43 PM  

I have no issue with dodging a draft for a phony war, especially one being fought without defining an objective and committing to achieving it. More people should do this.

Blogger Rambam June 05, 2016 3:47 PM  

He was fast and pretty. Uh, I mean he was pretty fast.

Blogger Elder Son June 05, 2016 3:48 PM  

I'm going to LMAO when US-NATO lights that match in E/W Europe and your sons and daughters are getting their ass kicked by Russia on the Eastern Front.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 05, 2016 3:49 PM  

Noah B, I guess you dodn't get the memo about no gets drafted into the military in the US anymore. You either join or you don't.

Anonymous Opus June 05, 2016 3:53 PM  

Let's not forget that Henry Cooper put him on the canvas only to be saved by the bell. Having got that out of the way Clay makes Parkinson look dishonest and stupid.

Blogger Elder Son June 05, 2016 3:53 PM  

Oh, there will be a draft, John.

Blogger Noah B June 05, 2016 3:54 PM  

@john MOSBY

I suppose you believe that bureaucratic inefficiency is the only reason the Selective Service still exists, and that a draft will never again happen in the United States or anywhere else.

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 4:01 PM  

"Oh, there will be a draft, John."

no.

There won't be.

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 4:02 PM  

"eh, he was a punk. "

you're an idiot.

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 4:16 PM  

"Having got that out of the way Clay makes Parkinson look dishonest and stupid. "

Can ya see the contempt Clay has for him and his positions? It reminds me of the scene in Grand Torino with the wigger and the blacks. Eastwood looks at him like he's an idiot and says "And what's this bro shit? You're not their brother and they don't want you to be."

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx June 05, 2016 4:18 PM  

Not fact-checked-

Ali also said 'If it wasn't for the white man, I'd be living in a mud hut' (paraphrased)

Blogger Elder Son June 05, 2016 4:23 PM  

"There won't be."

Yes.

There will be.

In fact, if things go south with Russia and/or China, or possibly in the Middle East/Persia, no one will be immune. National Defense Resources Preparedness.

Of course, those who are destined to go into captivity, will go into captivity.

Anonymous Res Ipsa June 05, 2016 4:27 PM  

You can dislike Ali for lots of reasons, that's fine. He was no punk. He said what he believed and did what he said. That's a man in my book.

He promoted Islam to American blacks. I think that was a mistake. He didn't try to hide what he thought or fake it.

When it came to fighting he had a big mouth, but he got in the ring and did his thing. Did he lose a few? Yeah but he keep getting in the ring until his age and physical ability kept him out. He never lost his fighting spirit.

Anonymous Jonathan June 05, 2016 4:35 PM  

@32

"It ain't braggin' if you can back it up."

The definition of bragging is being boastful of your achievements, so yes, it is bragging if you can back it up.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 05, 2016 4:38 PM  

Unlike the Mexican hordes protesting trump, American blacks, especially in the South, don't want to turn America into another country.

@22 Josh
They're voting en bloc for Hillary, even more than the Latinos. They flat out don't give a sh!t what happens to the country, as long as whitey suffers.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 05, 2016 4:48 PM  

Elder Son, I doubt the US will have a draft for a foreign war. We can't afford it.

None of the military powers we face that are not also nuclear powers are strong enough to need large amounts of infantry, nor do we wish to train up huge numbers of people in urban warfare who are of dubious loyalty.

That kind of thing was part of why there was so much trouble after Vietnam

A war with China or Russia that went south would be over in days, with China they would probably cut off all supplies to the US, laser blind satellites (which they can do from the ground) and might simply have embedded code in microprocessors that would allow the Chinese government to turn off anything networked.

We don't know what Russia has but they certainly can and will nuke our fleets at will and probably our ports or just use EMP weapons on a few cities.

The Middle Eastern nations simply aren't worth the meat grinder.

We can't risk any of these things.

Now a civil war or collapse would probably would result in conscription but its hard to say how that would go. May potential troops might only serve state or local forces and its also possible that the US $ will not have enough worth to pay anyone.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 05, 2016 4:50 PM  

Jonathan wrote:@32

"It ain't braggin' if you can back it up."

The definition of bragging is being boastful of your achievements, so yes, it is bragging if you can back it up.


True but bragging isn't immoral in many many cultures and societies Its generally a good thing, a healthy social signal if you can back it up.

The modesty that some European and other culture have is quite unusual in a broader human sense.

Blogger Elder Son June 05, 2016 4:57 PM  

Elder Son, I doubt the US will have a draft for a foreign war. We can't afford it.

We "can't afford" the posturing in E. Europe. We can't afford the posturing in the China Sea. We can't afford the posturing in the ME/Persia. But there we are. "Afford" has nothing to do with it.

There will be war. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but there will be war. If nukes fly, they won't fly on the first, or second, or week, month, day.

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 5:04 PM  

"In fact, if things go south with Russia and/or China, or possibly in the Middle East/Persia, no one will be immune. National Defense Resources Preparedness."

We won't have a draft because the draft doesn't work. It creates a crappy military.

The structure still exists because it still has some marketing value in that it gets kids thinking about the military. Plus it provides tons of data the military can use for recruiting.

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 5:04 PM  

"There will be war. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but there will be war. "

which has nothing to do with a draft.

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 5:06 PM  

"The definition of bragging is being boastful of your achievements, so yes, it is bragging if you can back it up."

see this?

Now look at this..

"yeah, about 95 times. and if you gotta tell me, you probly aint"


Clay had no room in his life for false modesty. He was the greatest of all time and he knew it. False modesty is a lie like any other.

Blogger Lovekraft June 05, 2016 5:10 PM  

Commence purging from approved persons list in 3...2...1...

Anonymous Grinder June 05, 2016 5:29 PM  

Race mixing is now no longer considered acceptable as a conversation topic as it was during this interview with Ali. Years of propaganda, brainwashing and Marxist controlled education have left their mark. Now, who do you think is responsible for the ongoing destruction.

Anonymous andon June 05, 2016 5:29 PM  

47. Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 4:02 PM
"eh, he was a punk. "

you're an idiot.


no, I was a fan of Smokin Joe and I don't forget what ali said to him either. ali was a punk

Anonymous andon June 05, 2016 5:33 PM  

41. Blogger Elder Son June 05, 2016 3:48 PM
I'm going to LMAO when US-NATO lights that match in E/W Europe and your sons and daughters are getting their ass kicked by Russia on the Eastern Front.


why is that?

Anonymous Jonathan June 05, 2016 5:37 PM  

@59

I'm not debating Ali's actions. You introduced bragging into the conversation and I provided the definition since your usage was incorrect.

Blogger Dave June 05, 2016 5:37 PM  

"No, not society. God made us different."

Blogger Nate June 05, 2016 5:41 PM  

" You introduced bragging into the conversation and I provided the definition since your usage was incorrect."

it was a direct quote from Clay himself. "its not braggin' if you can back it up."

its ok though.. seriously... the train is fine.

Anonymous Jonathan June 05, 2016 5:47 PM  

@66

Wow.

Anonymous Phil Mann June 05, 2016 6:00 PM  

I can see that the youngsters among us might think Muhammad Ali refused induction into the Army out of cowardice. Hardly.

Ali could easily have joined the Army the same way Elvis Presley did and spent his career going on promotional tours and fighting exhibition matches while staying miles away from any real danger. As a celebrity athlete, the Army wasn't going to put him in any real peril and he knew that. He also knew that many other young men, largely Black, did not have that option. Ali was principled enough to take a stand against it, even at great personal harm and risk to himself. That is why he earned my respect decades ago and why I admire him to this day.

While it is perhaps understandable that those who weren't even born when this was taking place might actually buy the two-word summary of Muhammad Ali's life (and having grown up in a post "Top Gun" world of military glorification, it is easy to understand the source of their bent) anyone who simply calls him a draft dodger is being overly simplistic and unfair.

The man was the real deal and deserves to be remembered as such.

Anonymous Ahmad ibn Fadhlan June 05, 2016 6:00 PM  

There's more than a bit of Ali's style in Donald Trump. The boasting, the deadly reframes, the willingness to verbally step on others with simple shots (andon is referring the "Gorilla" tag Ali hung on Frazier), the charisma.

Hard to lay a glove on ("floats like a butterfly"). Stings like a bee.

Anonymous Clay June 05, 2016 6:11 PM  

This has been a rather unsettling thread for me. Can't y'all go back to calling him Ali?

I certainly didn't pick the name "Clay", to honor Ali. My fahter would have kicked my ass.

Blogger Elder Son June 05, 2016 6:18 PM  

@63

Because Americans allowed it. Because Russia keeps moving its country closer and closer to NATO. And Russia's, 7 countries in 5 years plan. And for Russia's support of those "moderate" terrorists throughout the M.E. And because, Russia is responsible for the Muslim invasion of Europe. And?

And when the stink happens, millions will go into their closets, grab their dusty made in China flags, and shout, USA! USA! USA! Just like they did on Dial Emergency 9-1-1. Just like they did in Watertown. It's true. For the most part. You can spit in Americans eyes, and they'll call it dew. Traumatic conditioning. Battered women's syndrome. You know what Rome is.

Of course, I am not speaking of everyone. But enough.

Obama was elected 2 terms. Millions will vote for Hillary. Dew.

Blogger Eric Guillaume Dilasser-McDowell June 05, 2016 6:25 PM  

Ali had his faults, sure. Draft dodger, Islamic, and anti-American.

But at the very least his head wasn't full of fucking fluff. He had that rare thing called common sense.

Blogger James Jones June 05, 2016 6:27 PM  

She has an eating injury.

Anonymous Steve June 05, 2016 6:29 PM  

Saw the full interview years ago. Ali was electric. A great talker, quick witted and full of charisma.

Poor old Michael Parkinson was a good interviewer. This was back in the days when talk show hosts could get their guests to open up about interesting and controversial topics. These days it's all canned jokes and plugs for whatever book or movie the celebrity has coming out.

Ahmad - Donald Trump seems more like a masculine American black man than Obama is. His trash-talking, conspicuous consumption, skirt-chasing and yuge personality have more in common with a hip hop mogul than a politician.

For that reason, and also for the personal loyalty and kindness he shows his friends, I'm not surprised guys like Iron Mike Tyson are on board the Trump Train.

I think Trump will scoop up more black male votes than any Republican nominee in recent history.

Anonymous redsash June 05, 2016 6:39 PM  

Doug Jones beat him in 1963, but as Limbaugh would say, the press was looking for a black quarterback. He started trash talk in sports, but God has a sense of humor and silenced his damnable tongue. Ask the Frazier, Liston, and Terrell families what they think of being labeled uncle Tom's. He denied Jesus and now does anyone believe that Jesus is introducing him to the Father? Also, a 19 year old Tyson would have ended the legend before it ever started. I'll only grant him fast hands and the ability to stay out of range. Tyson's hands were as fast, Tyson would have caught him, and we all know what happened when a 19 yr old Tyson caught somebody.

He couldn't even beat today's MMA middleweight champ. I know. Apples/Oranges.

You do know he was a disciple of Malcolm X and was against integration because he believed white people were devils until he became a Sunni. I believe Sunnis believe that anyone is fair game for the sword. So congrats. Ali went from hating only whites to anyone. Some fucking hero.

Blogger eharmonica June 05, 2016 6:46 PM  

Complete Foreman fight is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55AasOJZzDE

Epic interview afterwards.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 05, 2016 6:58 PM  

Nare, I wish I could have your certitude regarding the draft. Rhese uSA is stoking so many fires worldwide. The draft is not all for military service, it includes "civil" duties.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 05, 2016 7:03 PM  

@68
Elvis didn't go into "Special Services" during his 2 year hitch. He was sent to an armor unit in Germany.
It is said that Colonel Parker convinced Presley to go in as a "normal" solider so that the Army would not have recordings/tapes of shows put on by Presley.

Anonymous redsash June 05, 2016 7:05 PM  

Larry Holmes sat the old man down on his ass, and did Ali have the class to say I got beat? No, he blamed trying to lose too much weight.

Ali had a severe form of inferiority complex. Not satisfied with his ring history he had to tear others down to, in his mind, build himself up. His rhymes were also juvenile. Hell, he's probably the unacknowledged father of rap.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 05, 2016 7:06 PM  

@77 "The draft is not all for military service, it includes "civil" duties."

Other than maybe some medical personnel, who is drafted for "civil duties"?
It has been 30 years, but when I filled out my draft card, it was for military service.

Anonymous Red June 05, 2016 7:26 PM  

Not Cassius Clay, Dizzy Dean,St. Louis Cardinals, 1934. He did stral from the best.

Anonymous Phil Mann June 05, 2016 7:29 PM  

when I filled out my draft card, it was for military service.

Me too.

Didn't know that about Elvis and Colonel Parker's influence. Does that mean the real concern was protecting profits rather than Elvis' life? It would make sense.

Anyway, Ali could have played ball with the Army and avoided any serious risk to himself. He chose not to for what I believe are genuine reasons. (As for Elvis, there was no active combat in Germany in 1958 if I understand correctly.)

Blogger bob k. mando June 05, 2016 7:31 PM  

30. haus frau June 05, 2016 2:46 PM
I stand corrected. VC sure know how to make a bad dog good again.



VC are leading cause of bad dogs blues?



38. Elder Son June 05, 2016 3:41 PM
I fail to see why the draft is even relevant here.



the Draft is relevant as yet another example of something which is anti-American having wormed it's way into the heart of American politics and jurisprudence.

in a polity in which the vast majority of free, white men do NOT have the voting franchise ( which was true of the United States as originally constituted ), the ability of the militia to REFUSE service in a given conflict is the Blue Collar veto to an attempt by those who would be aristocrats at foreign adventuring.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 05, 2016 7:32 PM  

Yes, mostly medical. The rest are all in the concientious objectors category.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 05, 2016 7:39 PM  

The 13th amendment made no exception for military service, being called up as a militia. Therefore, the 13th overrides the ability of the FedGov to press anyone into service, ofany kind.
BTW, I am aware of SCOTUS decisions on the subject.
We are so far gone from the "blue collar" veto days and mindset.

Anonymous Clay June 05, 2016 7:42 PM  

Draft? DRAFT?

We haven't even figured out where they'll piss and shit, much less how to install the condom machines for the "hook-up generation"!

Blogger Elder Son June 05, 2016 7:45 PM  

There is no militia. And the militia was defensive in nature. Not to go out in search of monsters to destroy abroad.

Anonymous andon June 05, 2016 7:56 PM  

79. Anonymous redsash June 05, 2016 7:05 PM
Larry Holmes sat the old man down on his ass, and did Ali have the class to say I got beat? No, he blamed trying to lose too much weight.


speaking of Holmes, am I the only one on here that bet on Holmes vs Cooney?
hehe

Blogger Duinne Eile June 05, 2016 8:13 PM  

For me the most interesting thing is that so much of the audience totally agreed with Ali

Oh how times have changed

Blogger bob k. mando June 05, 2016 8:20 PM  

87. Elder Son June 05, 2016 7:45 PM
There is no militia.



you are tarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia
"The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.
...
An official reserve army, composed of citizen soldiers. Called by various names in different countries such as; the Army Reserve, National Guard, or state defense forces."


the "militia" as understood by the Constitution ( able bodied men of the community ) can never be abolished so long as the people exist.

Anonymous coyote June 05, 2016 8:51 PM  

Can a duly-elected Sheriff call up a local militia in accordance with the Constitution?

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 05, 2016 9:04 PM  

No. Can call up posse volunteers and deputize.
Calling the militia is a prerrogative of a State's Legislature, or the Executive if the State Legislature cannot be convened.
Not that it has mattered in over the last 200 years.

Blogger bob k. mando June 05, 2016 9:08 PM  

91. coyote June 05, 2016 8:51 PM
Can a duly-elected Sheriff call up a local militia in accordance with the Constitution?



is the Army, which is an agent of the Federal Government, a duly-elected local Sheriff? no? i didn't think so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_comitatus

the Constitution grants the authority of Congress to "call forth" the militia? it also defines the terms for which the militia may be used. what are those limits?

"to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions"

ie - the militia can ONLY be used domestically. "calling forth" the militia, even if you consider it a draft justification, could never be applied to service in foreign lands.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 05, 2016 9:15 PM  

Very entertaining and charismatic athlete. I believe he holds the record for most Sports Illustrated cover appearances

Blogger weka June 05, 2016 9:19 PM  

@69. Trying to get a Presbyterian inside the house of Black Racislamist moronicity are we?

On the draft: the social contract -- and here I am not talking about the constitution but most Western countries -- is that all males got the vote because they were drafted in time of war.

Freedom does not equal voting rights. There are qualifications: even in the USA, now, if you are felon you cannot vote.

But if you are going to let women vote, let them be drafted. Let them fight in your wars. Let them come back in body bags. But if they are not prepared to pay the cost, they can be disenfranchised. For they have no skin in the game.

Blogger bob k. mando June 05, 2016 9:45 PM  

95. weka June 05, 2016 9:19 PM
is that all males got the vote because they were drafted in time of war.



the Draft did not exist in the United States until Lincoln invaded the South. at which point, both the South and North started drafting men.

prior to that, Daniel Webster's view had prevailed:
"The administration asserts the right to fill the ranks of the regular army by compulsion...Is this, sir, consistent with the character of a free government? Is this civil liberty? Is this the real character of our Constitution? No, sir, indeed it is not...Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war, in which the folly or the wickedness of government may engage it? Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest rights of personal liberty?"

further, various states had property ownership requirements for suffrage almost until the Civil War, with North Carolina not rescinding their requirement until 1856.

you'll note that as late as 1828, less than 10% of the population elected the President. it was less than 20% until 1920. ie - less than 1/2 of the male population was voting.

once again, it is an American value that voting is a PRIVILEGE of citizenship, NOT A RIGHT.

"universal suffrage" comes from Marx and is anti-American.

although you will note that reversing your logic "drafted in time of war because they had the vote" requires women to be conscripted and serve in combat ... funny how John McCain is in favor of that.

Anonymous Anonymous June 05, 2016 10:04 PM  

Look, anyone who is anything knows what Sports are for. They're there to maintain the Status Quo and to bleed off the nastier side of things.

It's all fixed.

We fix the India / Pakistan cricket to prevent Nuclear War. [Hint: Dubai / Qatar - 60% immigrants, they get their cricket, it prevents riots]

Y'all playin the wrong game here.

1st 15 Livinginafantasy 12/1
2nd 11 Enjoy The Silence s.h 25/1
3rd 6 Babel's Book nk 25/1
4th 14 Feel Alive 10/1

5th was... Eternal War

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/racecards/05-06-2016/chantilly/racecard/726940/bois-brandin-handicap

Top FRENCH (riots? LOL) race of the season.


p.s.


Yes, you're being fucked with, on an epic scale.


OH, and VD - the Spook Cash will come calling, especially after the enforced public space online stuff. Not commented on FB etc enforcing it?

Waaah.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 05, 2016 10:16 PM  

Only when a State Legislature, or the State's Executive when the State Legislature cannot convene, petitions the POTUS for the militia to be called up, and only for the situations mentioned the POTUS then asks the Congress of these uSA.
By definition, therefore, cannot be in insurrection. Only citizens of a State can raise up against a State's government that the State cannot overcome and, can call on the FedGov which is the guarantor of a republican form of government to States in union.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 05, 2016 10:20 PM  

Do you have a daughter?

Anonymous SaltHarvest June 05, 2016 11:01 PM  

Both groups fear that their respective reproductive strategies would be compromised by intermixing, whether that would be white men fearing that their daughters would be more inclined towards poor choices in mates, or black women fearing that their sons would be wimpier compared to other black men. Those that can reasonably allay those fears are less opposed to interracial mating.

Blogger Rusty Fife June 05, 2016 11:02 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Do you have a daughter?

Coming from a Hi.Spanik...I don't feel comfortable answering that question. ;P

When are we gonna get together again for cigars & 42yr-old scotch?

Anonymous Sam the Man June 05, 2016 11:13 PM  

The state defense forces that some states have are technically militia, as they cannot be sent overseas. I think they can be federalized if an actual invasion occurs, but might be wrong on that. I believe Texas mobilized theirs to observe some military exercise a few years ago that had various folks worried.

National guard and air guard are for all practical purposes now another version of the Army/Airforce reserves, albeit one that Governors can call up for internal emergencies. But the commissions are dual federal/sate, the equipment is all owned by the federal government and the states cannot refuse deployments of their troops.

I think the State defense forces have been for the most part disarmed. I think Alaska did that and most of the states with the exception of Texas emphasis civil defense instead of actual military stuff. I know some of the state that used to have internal security companies converted them to decontamination units after 9/11 (like New York).

How the new military full of women, gays and other oddities will perform if we get in a hard fought war remains to be seen. Hard to imagine the cohesion that is required for an army to bounce back from defeats will exist in a "Band of Gay/trans/butch Brothers"

Blogger Lazarus June 05, 2016 11:17 PM  

Josh wrote:Unlike, say, the presumptive god emperor trump and his five deferments.


Monomania alert. Or is it merely Disappointed Paulite Syndrome [DPS]

Blogger Lazarus June 05, 2016 11:24 PM  

andon wrote:no, I was a fan of Smokin Joe and I don't forget what ali said to him either. ali was a punk

Smokin Joe lent Ali money. Smokin Joe broke Ali's jaw. Smokin Joe was a stand up man, but he also knew that Ali could draw the big purse that he could share.

Bidness, dude. Nuthin to do with morality.

Blogger Gaiseric June 05, 2016 11:25 PM  

It's interesting to see Piers Morgan pushing this story and doubling down after the point and shriek. Did something happen to him to convince him he was arguing for the wrong the team or something? The is not the first time recently he's come out against liberal orthodoxy.

Blogger Lazarus June 05, 2016 11:31 PM  

redsash wrote:Some fucking hero.

Maybe you did not get the memo from the Dark Lord about not shooting at allies.

This is not a purity contest. Ali was not Alt-right, but this video is a problem for the anti Alt- right forces, therefore, in this particular instance, Ali is an Ally.

(See what I did there?)

Anonymous andon June 05, 2016 11:33 PM  

Lazarus June 05, 2016 11:24 PM

Smokin Joe was a...Man


agree with that

Blogger bob k. mando June 05, 2016 11:46 PM  

104. Gaiseric June 05, 2016 11:25 PM
The is not the first time recently he's come out against liberal orthodoxy.


more likely than anything else that it has finally gotten through Piers' thick head that there isn't much money in television over on the MSNBCNN commie side of the ideological spectrum.

whereas, for all it's faults, Fox seems to be doing all right.

Blogger Student in Blue June 06, 2016 12:15 AM  

Speaking of denunciations, David French abruptly heelturns on his presidential candidacy.

Lots of staying power, that one.

Blogger bob k. mando June 06, 2016 12:45 AM  

Im tirtzu, ein zo agada.


fuck YOU, Bill Kristol.

Anonymous redsash June 06, 2016 12:48 AM  

Wrong Laz. Ali was not and is not an ally to White Christian culture. He was against integration not because it was detrimental to White society but because he believed whites to be devils. Your line of reasoning is as stupid as some Jew saying Jews should ally with David Duke because he once ate at a deli.

Blogger SciVo June 06, 2016 2:20 AM  

Gaiseric wrote:It's interesting to see Piers Morgan pushing this story and doubling down after the point and shriek. Did something happen to him to convince him he was arguing for the wrong the team or something? The is not the first time recently he's come out against liberal orthodoxy.

I think that as an alien, he honestly just fails to anticipate the reaction of American SJWs sometimes, but he has the native canniness to not apologize. That's all.

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent June 06, 2016 3:04 AM  

As Scalzi says, in between all the crying: "I’d like to think in a small, early way that my love for Ali made a difference in how I grew up thinking about race."

Anonymous Ronnie June 06, 2016 4:40 AM  

@41

Why does that amuse you?

Blogger weka June 06, 2016 5:45 AM  

@96. I said Western deliberately. It was the logic in the British Empire, from which my nation spawned. Bob, not all of us are American: some of us were loyal to crown and altar.

Anonymous TS June 06, 2016 6:35 AM  

"Also, a 19 year old Tyson would have ended the legend before it ever started. I'll only grant him fast hands and the ability to stay out of range. Tyson's hands were as fast, Tyson would have caught him, and we all know what happened when a 19 yr old Tyson caught somebody."

Completely disagree. ALi in his prime would have kicked Tyson's ass. It would have been worse than when Holyfield beat Tyson.

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 06, 2016 7:18 AM  

Soon. Sick currently. We also need to do some fishing.:)

Blogger JaimeInTexas June 06, 2016 7:23 AM  

BTW, I get the let women be drafted, given the current political situation but I do not like to give my enemies a 2-edged swors that thwy can then weild against me. I have a daughter and I do not want her to be meat for a draft or even thw registration.

Blogger bob k. mando June 06, 2016 7:57 AM  

113. weka June 06, 2016 5:45 AM
I said Western deliberately. It was the logic in the British Empire, from which my nation spawned. Bob, not all of us are American: some of us were loyal to crown and altar.




*facedesk*

then your ignorance is even more horrific. conscription ( and the justifications thereof ) is age old and predates the Marxist concept of Universal Suffrage by multiple thousands of years.

the Universal Suffrage of men over 21 within the UK did not exist until 1918 ( well after the Communist Manifesto was published ), with women over 21 being added a mere ten years later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage#United_Kingdom


'Universal Suffrage' is no more of a naturally English value than it is an American one.


you notice that, once again, the Marxists inverted reality, then used that inversion to backwards justify something that they wanted to do.

in fact, it was the conscription of men WITHOUT the vote into the charnel house of the Trenches that was used to drive through universal male suffrage in the first place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_of_the_People_Act_1918


conscription / impression has been practiced by all forms of government from Monarchies willed by God to Totalitarian dictatorships to absolute Democracies. it is a ecumenical violator of the Rights of any man.



116. JaimeInTexas June 06, 2016 7:23 AM
BTW, I get the let women be drafted, given the current political situation but I do not like to give my enemies a 2-edged swors that thwy can then weild against me. I have a daughter and I do not want her to be meat for a draft or even thw registration.



i did NOT say that i want women to be drafted.

i pointed out that his logic demanded that women be drafted, in the name of equalitarianism and logical consistency.

what i was saying was that i do not agree with his logic or his understanding of history.

Blogger Crowhill June 06, 2016 2:50 PM  

Interesting interchange between the host and Ali. I came away wondering which of the two of them would be more offended by an attempt to answer the question with surveys and statistics and such.

Blogger Lazarus June 06, 2016 9:49 PM  

I just about vomited watching PTI extol Ali. If any of the current athletes of the day said some of the things he said, Kornheiser and Willbon would say he should be stripped of his titles and shamed into oblivion.

Flaming hypocrites and revisionists.

Blogger FlashGordon June 06, 2016 10:11 PM  

Nation of Islam was a black separatist organization. BTW, did anybody see this?

https://lelaebuis.wordpress.com/2016/05/30/review-of-the-fifth-season-by-n-k-jemisin/

Blogger Unknown June 11, 2016 5:42 PM  

I find it amusing that Ali has a mixed race grand son named Biaggio Ali Walsh, who happens to be one of the fastest high school running backs in the country.

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