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Saturday, June 25, 2016

Quintessential cuckservatism

Rod Dreher demonstrates the effete and useless nature of modern conservatism:
The Speaker of the House of Representatives was shouted down by Democratic Congressman as he attempted to regain control of the House of Representatives. Actual US Congressmen behaving like a bunch of giddy Oberlin undergraduates.

They had better not give in. Look, on gun control matters, I am generally — generally — more sympathetic to Democrats than to Republicans. But this mob insurrection on the House floor is profoundly unsettling. I have not looked closely at the legislation, so it is entirely possible that I might support the Democratic proposal. But to attempt to get one’s way by showing utter contempt for rules of the House? No. No, no, no. Their passion does not justify their behavior.

This country is in trouble.
You know he's serious when he resorts to no less than FOUR (4) nos. This useless, limp-wristed excuse for a purported conservative "opinion leader", this hapless, low-testosterone shadow of a man, is more concerned about fucking etiquette, than he is about the single most important right in the Bill of Rights.

"Dear God, they're sitting on the floor! Heavens to Betsy, whatever shall we do?"

If you want to understand the key difference between the Alt Right and the Conservative movement, all you need to do is look at Rod Dreher. If he strikes you as a strong and principled Christian man standing up for what is right and true and important, then you are most definitely a Conservative.

If he strikes you as missing the point so badly that he would have done far better to put on a dress, smear some lipstick on his face, and record a video reading from Amy Vanderbilt's Complete Book of Etiquette, you just might be Alt Right.

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Blogger Josh June 25, 2016 8:22 AM  

Did you ever send him a copy of SJWs always lie?

Anonymous Faceless June 25, 2016 8:23 AM  

There are only two things for Paul Ryan to do: Refuse to do anything and they'll eventually get tired. As dictator of the House, he should simply suspend consideration of their bills, then go on vacation, ensuring that these are never considered.

If they don't get tired, or if he can't wait that long, the sergeant at arms should be called upon to zip tie them then stick them in a jail, where they can be forgotten.

Anonymous Faceless June 25, 2016 8:25 AM  

The reason Paul Ryan must placate these children, which, on paper, he shouldn't have to:

He is the speaker of a governing coalition of 170-something Democrats and 40-something Republicans. The people parked on the floor is a meeting of his caucus.

Blogger Phillip George June 25, 2016 8:26 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM

When Chechens took over the Beslan School Hall "we don't negotiate" took on a new meaning. These were Islamists trained funded transported by Uncle Sam. And Russia hasn't forgotten.

Point to the post. A film that jokes about Western hypocrisy means you have to go overseas for an example of people actually standing their ground.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2016 8:26 AM  

If he strikes you as a strong and principled Christian man standing up for what is right and true and important, then you are most definitely a Conservative.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/cultural-engagement-benedict-option/

This is one reason why we need the Benedict Option: to prepare Christians to be able to resign their jobs rather than burn that pinch of incense to Caesar, and to prepare the wider Christian community to support them — financially, spiritually, and morally — when they lose their livelihoods for the sake of bearing witness to God’s truth.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 25, 2016 8:41 AM  

@5 Dreher wants to retreat. There is no Scripture calling us to withdraw into closed compounds to worry about our world. Nuns, monks, and monasteries are not the command of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ told us to " Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Dreher wants to but the light of the Lord Jesus Christ under a basket.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 25, 2016 8:44 AM  

Josh wrote:Did you ever send him a copy of SJWs always lie?

Why do you think he would read it?

Blogger Josh June 25, 2016 8:48 AM  

Why do you think he would read it?

Because sjws are one of the five must common subjects of his blog.

Anonymous stress management June 25, 2016 9:01 AM  

The Republicans just don't get it - might as well be fussing over the rules on the back of the Monopoly box, while the Democrats print their own money and sweep the pieces off the board. The R's will eventually figure out that the D's are escalating it to the physical, or go extinct.

Anybody remember the Blues and the Greens in Constantinople? Feels similar.

Blogger Melampus the Seer June 25, 2016 9:04 AM  

Again, we see that SJWs are fighting to win while conservatives are at the Constitutional Debating Society for Civil Debate About Civilty.

The Capitol Police are under the control of the Capitol Police Board which has three members: the Seargent-at-arms of the House, the Seargent-at-arms of the Senate, and the Capitol Architect.

Paul Ryan can simply direct the House Seargent-at-arms to remove the out-of-order members, and then the Capitol police can use their practiced protest removal techniques to clear the chamber of this BLM rabble.

Blogger Neanderserk June 25, 2016 9:13 AM  

"put on a dress, smear some lipstick on his face, and record a video reading from Amy Vanderbilt's Complete Book of Etiquette,"

So you're saying he's a cluckservative?

Blogger CM June 25, 2016 9:13 AM  

Look, on gun control matters, I am generally — generally — more sympathetic to Democrats than to Republicans...it is entirely possible that I might support the Democratic proposal.

Them Pinciples, though.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 25, 2016 9:15 AM  

"Yoo hoo, reasonable Democrats, please don't lump me in with the Bad Conservatives! I'm one of the good, reasonable Conservatives, who would compromise with you and come up with wise solutions to our problems, if it weren't for the radical elements on both sides getting in the way. Aren't we both so wise and reasonable? You can tell, because we're always willing to compromise and there are people further to our right.

"If you can get the extremists on your side to stop acting nutty and openly calling for outright gun confiscation, I'm sure we can (with some help from your media) marginalize our own extremists on the right, and then come to a reasonable, respectable compromise. Whaddya say?"

Blogger Neanderserk June 25, 2016 9:21 AM  

It's entirely possible a controlled gun might sympathetically discharge in his general - general - direction.

He's a catamite, but buy him dinner and wear a condom.

Blogger YIH June 25, 2016 9:28 AM  

TBH, I wonder who's funding him, in the past year he's traveled to Italy, France, and now Maui as well as various (air)ports of call in the US. He must have racked up some good frequent-flyer miles by now.
That's not a book tour, his last book was three years ago, and his new book is still in progress.
Now travel is not my cup of tea, but hey, if that's what your into, cool. But lots of travel costs lots of money. He says he's not in debt, though he had it rather rough moving from Dallas to Philly so someone's bankrolling all that travel.
His book publisher? Not likely. The mag - the one that probably relies more on donations than subscriptions/sales? Probably not.
It would be interesting to know who his generous benefactor is - who's funding this inanity? And why?

Anonymous johnc June 25, 2016 9:34 AM  

When I saw that photograph of these infantile slobs lying around on the floor like it was Romper Room I was really overcome with disdain for these people, and I admitted to myself that I would have no problem if a President Trump ran completely roughshod over the legislative body. At this point, screw the Constitution. We can't allow ourselves to be subject to low-IQ morons.

As for Dreher, I've noticed that there is a real generational divide on how one sees things. Even people that would ordinarily be on the same spectrum can still place a lot of faith in the old ways. They're not ready to burn it down... yet.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2016 9:34 AM  

It would be interesting to know who his generous benefactor is - who's funding this inanity? And why?

Probably Trump

Blogger Dexter June 25, 2016 9:39 AM  

When my son was in kindergarten, I discussed the Bill of Rights with him on July 4. After explaining them, I asked him what he thought was the most important one. He said, "The right to have guns, because if you don't have guns they can take all the other rights away."

FIVE YEAR OLDS GET THIS.

Why is it so hard for college "educated" cucks?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 25, 2016 9:44 AM  

Dreher admittedly has mental health issues, he admits this. In my estimation this makes him vulnerable to the Left's rhetoric.

So you could point blank ask him what specific rhetoric the Left uses that so frightens him.

You can debate with him and he will babble on forever, if you want to send him packing then you must delegitimize his opinions as being nothing more than SJW second order brain farts from deep within the insane asylum.

Blogger YIH June 25, 2016 9:44 AM  

Neanderserk wrote:"put on a dress, smear some lipstick on his face, and record a video reading from Amy Vanderbilt's Complete Book of Etiquette,"

So you're saying he's a cluckservative?

Not anymore, if you're a renter and you write about your unusual pets, don't be surprised if your landlord gets wind of that - and probably won't like it.
Also ''Your Jet-Setting, err, Working Boy probably doesn't have the time to care for exotic pets anyway.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 25, 2016 9:46 AM  

#18 honest story from me, I knew what the 2A was long before I had any formal conception of its meaning beyond HS civics class and way before I had even heard of the NRA.

Damn near a DNA level meaning.

Anonymous BGKB June 25, 2016 9:47 AM  

When you have congressapes chimping out there is but one language they understand.

"Dear God, they're sitting on the floor! Heavens to Betsy, whatever shall we do?"

Could be worse, remember what the EPA affirmative action workers did in the hallways.

Blogger YIH June 25, 2016 10:07 AM  

Josh wrote:It would be interesting to know who his generous benefactor is - who's funding this inanity? And why?

Probably Trump

I think you forgot the /sarc.
Though it would probably be more entertaining seeing him debate God Emperor instead of The Lizard Queen.

Anonymous Neguy June 25, 2016 10:09 AM  

Dreher is very aware of the red pill, etc. and has written about it on his blog. He admits they have truth his tribe does not. He admits his tribe is unwilling to fight and were therefore doomed to lose. Yet he still hates the red pill/masculinity community. That's the very definition of a Cuckservative, someone who knows he's a loser and yet still refuses to sanction those who are willing to fight.

Blogger Michael Maier June 25, 2016 10:18 AM  

"Rod Dreher demonstrates the effete and useless nature"... of himself.

Dreher is a useless gasbag.

Cue Josh: BUT HE'S CRUNCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well he shouldn't have let himself go stale, then.

Blogger Lovekraft June 25, 2016 10:20 AM  

Add yet another example of how we are winning. When the opponent is reduced to end-of-empire tantrums and theatrics, the battle lines get clearer. Who today, other than delusional baby boomers and indoctrinated sjws, would actually think solutions are found in blm-style justice seeking?

Blogger Lovekraft June 25, 2016 10:25 AM  

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/25/harbinger-future-6-times-militant-progressive-left-used-violence-shut-donald-trump/

Heads up on what's coming this summer. The article describes how leftists are using braindead morons as the face of peaceful protest in order to provide cover as the violent marxists lob attacks, then blend into the bigger crowd. Police go into bigger crowd to get the sorosians, appearing the aggressor.

We're fighting an army people. No time to play nice. We have to figure out a way to ensure anyone protesting is aware of their culpability in violence.

Blogger John S June 25, 2016 10:29 AM  

"Rod Dreher demonstrates the effete and useless nature"... of himself.

Dreher is a useless gasbag.

Cue Josh: BUT HE'S CRUNCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well he shouldn't have let himself go stale, then.


So Dreher is advocating withdrawing into Christian enclaves, while simultaneously going along with democrat gun control schemes... Sounds like a solid plan.

At least fish don't willingly get into the barrel...

Anonymous trk June 25, 2016 10:31 AM  

They (repubs) if they had the balls, could simply enclose those sitting on the floor w baby gates. Toss them pacifiers and then call in the media to mock them as they sit there like toddlers.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 25, 2016 10:34 AM  

This thought has been bouncing around in my mind lately: the Alt-Right is the rising libertarian movement predicted by some, and by libertarian I don't mean that "Reason Magazine" BS. Many of you Alt-Right guys express comments which, in my opinion, elaborate on libertarian principles - race realism seems akin to commentaries I've read on Daily Paul and gender realism seems akin to commentaries within the so-called Manosphere. And then I noticed an appreciation for Rothbard.

I'm still tryna' make sense of it all.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 25, 2016 10:43 AM  

The "Benedict Option" is wishful thinking. Absent fighting back you will be made to worship Caesar. California is already working on making homeschooling illegal.

Blogger Stilicho June 25, 2016 11:13 AM  

Read the entire post that Josh quoted. Dreher advocates polite surrender disguised as Christian sacrifice for the faith. His is a particularly nasty brand of pussyfism marketed as Churchian despair. Don't fight, the other side has won, besides, I mostly agree with them and Jesus wants you to suffer.
Just reading it makes you feel nauseous. Dreher is attempting to do to Christianity what he and other cucks did to conservatism: infiltrate and redefine it to fit their political goals. His problem, though he hasn't realized it is that he isn't fighting against Pat Buchanan or Barry Goldwater this time. He is setting himself against God.

Blogger David Awhsome June 25, 2016 11:25 AM  

A missed opportunity. I would have armed fellow repukes with Nerf guns and mowed them down. They want to play childish games- make them look like children.

Anonymous Josh June 25, 2016 11:42 AM  

Read the entire post that Josh quoted. Dreher advocates polite surrender disguised as Christian sacrifice for the faith. His is a particularly nasty brand of pussyfism marketed as Churchian despair. Don't fight, the other side has won, besides, I mostly agree with them and Jesus wants you to suffer.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying that persecution is coming, and devout Christians are going to be ruthlessly driven out of the public square, and in order to survive that, Christians will need to rebuild their institutions in order to protect each other. I fail to see how the message of building your own institutions is advocating surrender. In fact, it rhymes with much of the message of the alt right.

Anonymous Josh June 25, 2016 11:45 AM  

Dreher is very aware of the red pill, etc. and has written about it on his blog. He admits they have truth his tribe does not. He admits his tribe is unwilling to fight and were therefore doomed to lose. Yet he still hates the red pill/masculinity community. That's the very definition of a Cuckservative, someone who knows he's a loser and yet still refuses to sanction those who are willing to fight.

He's a potential ally. He's not red pill yet, but he's getting closer to it.

Blogger ValeriusMaximus June 25, 2016 11:50 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:This thought has been bouncing around in my mind lately: the Alt-Right is the rising libertarian movement predicted by some, and by libertarian I don't mean that "Reason Magazine" BS.

While many on the alt-right were previously libertarians, the alt-right is not libertarian.

In political philosophy, for instance, Julius Evola, Oswald Spengler, Guillaume Faye, Alain De Benoist, and Ernst Junger are as influential as Rothbard, Hayek, and Von Mises. The importance of economics is not denied, but it is de-emphasized. It is important, but not, like in Marx, the omnipotent force driving history; the alt-right is more concerned with race, ethnicity, culture, and the idea of the nation.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt June 25, 2016 12:01 PM  

It's the end of June. In Washington. Shut off the air conditioning and leave the overweight apes to sweat it out sitting on the floor. Nobody's going to want to see selfies of them after 2 days.

Blogger YIH June 25, 2016 12:03 PM  

John S wrote:"Rod Dreher demonstrates the effete and useless nature"... of himself.

Dreher is a useless gasbag.

Cue Josh: BUT HE'S CRUNCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well he shouldn't have let himself go stale, then.


So Dreher is advocating withdrawing into Christian enclaves, while simultaneously going along with democrat gun control schemes... Sounds like a solid plan.

At least fish don't willingly get into the barrel...


I've called his ''Benedict Option'' incoherent, and here's why. The only such communities where that does work are Orthodox Jews who 'colonize' an area work to force out Gentiles and non-Orthodox Jews. Then dominate it and reshape it to their preferences.
The other is the Amish, who isolate themselves geographically (they prefer very rural areas in ''the rust belt''), linguistically (among themselves, they read/speak old German, but can speak English for dealing with outsiders) and culturally (their way of life has changed very little in the past 200 years). They are also very resistant to ''the ways of outsiders'', they have fought over the size of windows in their buildings and that now-common slow moving vehicle sign on their buggies.
In both cases it takes a lot of mental toughness to resist ''the ways of outsiders'' while still having some contact/business dealings with them.
Not something someone with all the physical and mental toughness of overcooked pasta can even understand - or be able to relate to.

Anonymous Godfrey June 25, 2016 12:06 PM  

The country is in trouble?

No, no, no, no... the country is over. It's time we all went our separate ways. The USSA should break up into at least a dozen separate countries.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 25, 2016 12:17 PM  

Dreher:
This country is in trouble.

Really? Do tell. The epitome of cuck, indeed. Yes, even the Orthodox are thoroughly cucked - at least in the west (probably in Greece too).

Blogger vashine June 25, 2016 12:23 PM  

God hates cucks. Because God hates cowardice.

Blogger macengr June 25, 2016 12:24 PM  

VD, what do you think of Dreher's Benedict Option?

Blogger Matthew June 25, 2016 12:27 PM  

Dreher is disingenuous and gay-faced at best. From Josh's link:

I might be wrong, but I sometimes think that Christians believe they are “engaging the culture” when they show off their tattoo at the coffee shop, and practice random acts of winsomeness.

No, he doesn't. This is a pose, and a particularly stupid one. Reminiscent of McRapey.

This too [resigning from secular jobs and seeking support from a Christian underground] is cultural engagement — engagement with American culture as it is and as it is becoming in these darkening times.

War is peace; freedom is slavery; exile is engagement.

Dreher is a deceiver and a serpent.

Anonymous Godfrey June 25, 2016 12:28 PM  

Cuck logic...

-- We'll destroy the Middle-East and then we'll relocate the pissed-off survivors to Bob & Mary's middle-class neighborhood --

-- And despite the supposed threat of "terrorism", we'll keep the borders WIDE OPEN and then we'll disarm legal citizens --


And they wonder why everybody hates them with a intense passion.


P.S. Israel has a wall.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 25, 2016 12:36 PM  

@36
I understand the reduced emphasis on economics. At the same time though, I view, from afar, Alt-Right concepts and ideas regarding culture, race, and ethnicity as an extension of an individual's right of voluntary association; that a collective of individuals can use such a right to form a national policy that reflects commonly held values. I am of the opinion that this overall concept is libertarian. In my opinion, the "Reason Magazine" type of libertarian doesn't go this far. The fundamental issue is how property rights doctrine is applied.

Blogger Sam Lively June 25, 2016 12:49 PM  

Jesus is still AltRight with me.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 25, 2016 12:51 PM  

While many on the alt-right were previously libertarians, the alt-right is not libertarian... the alt-right is more concerned with race, ethnicity, culture, and the idea of the nation.

My take is that the alt-Right are the folks who've figured out libertarian concepts are only viable for a nation overwhelmingly composed of and run by northern Europeans.

Blogger vashine June 25, 2016 12:57 PM  

@Al

It is "libertarian" in a sense, but not pure libertarianism, which would demand that ONE individual should be able to defy a national policy if he is using his own property to do so.

Hence, true, purist libertarians cannot accept limitations on migration or trade, based on the idea that as long as it only involves my private property and is not denying anyone else their basic rights of liberty to associate and choose, aka it is wholly voluntary between the actors, then it is a good and to use force or threats of force to stop me from doing it is an evil.

It is naive, to be sure, and short-sighted, only to work in a utopian world where no other peoples, individuals, nations, or religious groups would think to abuse that openness, ultimately destroying the very freedoms and private property rights that enable the cucks to spout their naive purist libertarian bs.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 25, 2016 1:05 PM  

@48, vashine
You've dropped a lot of science in that piece. I need to marinate in that for a minute. That was helpful. Thanx!

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box June 25, 2016 1:07 PM  

You found him, Vox...the bloody neoCON KING!!!

Blogger vashine June 25, 2016 1:08 PM  

I am solidly alt-right, and believe in obvious racial differences that manifest into cultural differences, but I would say that even Northern Europeans can't handle libertarianism. Nothing in their racial makeup or cultural DNA protected them from the onslaught of political correctness and socialism, which turned them from productive, sane, and efficient people into welfare queen, open border loonies.

The only true Order, and good kind of nationalism, comes from the disciplines and traditions of the Church. The Logos. Any race or peoples will fall into ruin without it, and back to savagery, though along different paths and to different forms of savagery. The Germans, the epitome of intelligent Northern Europeans, have battled back and forth against savagery through their entire history. When Catholic, sanity. When Aryan or Protestant or Pagan or atheist, chaos and war. Chaos that enveloped all of Europe, quite often.

No, northern Euros can't handle it either. In its pure, borderless form, libertarianism is as utopian as marxism. They are both ideas made for worlds that don't exist.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box June 25, 2016 1:10 PM  

Cuck logic...

-- We'll destroy the Middle-East and then we'll relocate the pissed-off survivors to Bob & Mary's middle-class neighborhood --

-- And despite the supposed threat of "terrorism", we'll keep the borders WIDE OPEN and then we'll disarm legal citizens --

And they wonder why everybody hates them with a intense passion.

P.S. Israel has a wall.""

It's called AGENDA 21 Depopulation.
Ask your communist Pope for details, he'll brag all about it.

Blogger vashine June 25, 2016 1:11 PM  

Correction: "Arian", not "Aryan"

Blogger vashine June 25, 2016 1:13 PM  

As a Catholic, I consider this pope to be an antipope.

Anonymous Jill June 25, 2016 1:25 PM  

Apparently, he likes cheap theatrics, too, since he isn't actually conservative and hasn't actually read the bills he's (generally) in favor of. Hand-wringing is high drama.

Anonymous mature-Craig June 25, 2016 1:28 PM  

God hates cucks. Because God hates cowardice.

speaking of things God might not like
according to the Old Testament God thinks that homosexuality is a detestable sin

Anonymous mature-Craig June 25, 2016 1:32 PM  

but the New Testament has a new command to Love One Another,

Blogger Neanderserk June 25, 2016 1:41 PM  

Vashine reflects well on Catholicism.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 25, 2016 1:49 PM  

@51, vashine
You're giving me more science in which to marinate.

I find myself concurring and agreeing with ideas expressed in the Alt-Right community. I won't identify as such though because it is a white nationalist thing. Nothing wrong with white nationalism. White folks should be able to unify along a set of commonly interests based on race and culture (they should have done this long ago).

And let me restate once again, I find concurrence and agreement with the Alt-Right whom I define as a white nationalist movement. Not a casting shade on you guys. Instead, you are forcing me to go into my attic and find that old and dusty copy of "The Philosophy and Opinions of Marcus Garvey."

OpenID luciussomesuch June 25, 2016 2:09 PM  

"He's a catamite, but buy him dinner and wear a condom."

cf. Camille Paglia on the "court hermaphrodite", such as Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 25, 2016 2:18 PM  

I read Crunchy Cons when it came out, and still have it around here somewhere. I thought it had some decent observations and ideas, if a bit naive then. That was what, ten years ago? That's a long time to hang onto the same beliefs in the face of repeated evidence that they are wishful thinking.

Christians believe that the Truth, meaning Jesus Christ, will always win out. Conservatives of Rod's type believe the same sort of thing about political conservatism -- it's so self-evidently good and right to them that if they could only get people to listen to it, all would be converted. And there's certainly no need for violence to defend or advance it; that would be counterproductive. The Truth of Conservatism itself is all you need. They may admit that there will be martyrs to the cause, but that's just part of it. Ultimately, if we accept those and keep preaching the Conservative Gospel kindly and respectably from our conservative redoubts (which the left will inexplicably allow us to have, as long as we're nice to them), we will win in the end.

Anonymous AltTrash June 25, 2016 2:22 PM  

In this case democrats acted more like the AlrRight: Break rules, scream like Children, lose.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 25, 2016 2:33 PM  

@60 What's your angle?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 25, 2016 2:44 PM  

@60, You ain't halal with the name "AltTrash". Am I right?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 25, 2016 2:44 PM  

I read Crunchy Cons when it came out, and still have it around here somewhere. I thought it had some decent observations and ideas, if a bit naive then. That was what, ten years ago? That's a long time to hang onto the same beliefs in the face of repeated evidence that they are wishful thinking.

I tried reading Crunchy Cons and just couldn’t make headway. The air of retreaded old hippy combined with utter naivete’ was just too much for me, plus I don’t care for twee discussions of interior design. Back then he affected a world-weary air in his writing, but it came across to me as more sophomoric than cynical. The “Benedict option” is utterly naive and the sort of thing an adolescent would come up with.

Remember that Dreher is a journalist, not a student of history. Something very much like “Benedict option” was tried by the Anabaptists in central Europe centuries ago. There’s a reason that the survivors tended to emigrate to North America and other places. He likes the Amish as an example. Ok, why are the Amish in Pennsylvania still speaking Old German, why aren’t they in Germany? Did something happen that drove them out of Europe? Dreher can’t come to grips with that.

One rather extreme example of a “Benedict option” was the Branch Davidian cult community known as Mt. Carmel outside of Waco, Texas. Which effectively ceased to exist in April of 1993. Pointing this out to Rod Dreher used to be a sure way to get banned from comboxes on his old blog.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 25, 2016 2:45 PM  

I read Crunchy Cons when it came out, and still have it around here somewhere. I thought it had some decent observations and ideas, if a bit naive then. That was what, ten years ago? That's a long time to hang onto the same beliefs in the face of repeated evidence that they are wishful thinking.

I tried reading Crunchy Cons and just couldn’t make headway. The air of retreaded old hippy combined with utter naivete’ was just too much for me, plus I don’t care for twee discussions of interior design. Back then he affected a world-weary air in his writing, but it came across to me as more sophomoric than cynical. The “Benedict option” is utterly naive and the sort of thing an adolescent would come up with.

Remember that Dreher is a journalist, not a student of history. Something very much like “Benedict option” was tried by the Anabaptists in central Europe centuries ago. There’s a reason that the survivors tended to emigrate to North America and other places. He likes the Amish as an example. Ok, why are the Amish in Pennsylvania still speaking Old German, why aren’t they in Germany? Did something happen that drove them out of Europe? Dreher can’t come to grips with that.

One rather extreme example of a “Benedict option” was the Branch Davidian cult community known as Mt. Carmel outside of Waco, Texas. Which effectively ceased to exist in April of 1993. Pointing this out to Rod Dreher used to be a sure way to get banned from comboxes on his old blog.

Blogger James Dixon June 25, 2016 3:07 PM  

> What's your angle?

He's a paid shill, parrotting the leftist lines.

Blogger James Dixon June 25, 2016 3:08 PM  

> What's your angle?

He's a paid shill, parrotting the leftist lines.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar June 25, 2016 3:19 PM  

Should have had an opposing kegger and mocked the aged hippies on CSPAN.

Blogger Patrick June 25, 2016 3:32 PM  

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Blogger ValeriusMaximus June 25, 2016 3:41 PM  

@36

To get some flavor of what I am talking about, here is an extract from Evola's Fascism Viewed from the Right (bracketed is mine):

"The traditional state is organic, but not totalitarian... the true state is omnia potens [all powerful], not omnia faciens [all doing]; that is, it keeps at the centre an absolute power that it can and must use without obstacles in cases of necessity, and ultimate decisions, ignoring the fetish for the so called 'rule of law'. It does not, however, meddle with everything, ... nor at a leveling conformism instead of free acknowledgement and loyalty. It does not proceed by means of impertinent and obtuse interventions by the public sphere and the 'state' into the private sphere. The traditional is that of a natural gravitation of parts and partial unities around a centre that commands without compelling, and acts out of prestige with an authority that can, of course resort to force, but abstains from it as much as possible (Chapter IV, pgs 42-43). "

There is none of this chatter about individual rights, free association, non-aggression principle, and so forth. These things are hollow abstractions. Now, of course, there is a great deal of diversity of opinion on the alt-right, there are undoubtedly some with more libertarian leanings and some with more authoritarian leanings, but these are separate from alt-right as such.

Anonymous Eric the Red June 25, 2016 3:51 PM  

@27...
If the enemy has tactics already in place, then the alt-right must plan accordingly. The police can't be relied upon. It's come down to war in the streets, and the effective use of force needs to be planned accordingly, up to and including the use of weapons.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2016 3:55 PM  

ValeriusMaximus wrote:the true state is omnia potens [all powerful], not omnia faciens [all doing];

Sorry, but any state that starts as omnia potens inevitably becomes omnia faciens. Because states must be be run by people, for people, and putting them in charge of a state does not make them better, it makes them worse.

Fascism is a lie that tries to replace God with the State. It is evil unadorned.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2016 3:57 PM  

On top of which, we've been doing the Fascism tango for 75 years in this country and it's not working.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 25, 2016 4:00 PM  

@65, James Dixon...
Word up, I peeped that. I was tryna' check him/ her.

OpenID yippie21 June 25, 2016 4:05 PM  

I would love for Ryan to lose his primary, but I'm not holding my breath.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 25, 2016 4:14 PM  

Sam Lively wrote:Jesus is still AltRight with me.

Heh!

In a post about What a Fool Believes...

How long before we'll be Takin' it to the Streets?

Anonymous Eric the Red June 25, 2016 4:15 PM  

@69...
...There must be a graduated use of force and associated weapons based on an escalating threat, for example: eggs, then paintballs, then mace, rocksalt in shotguns, then etc.

Also, there must be designated units that are so equipped, along with tactical maneuvers that preempt known enemy tactics. Perhaps Tom Kratman can give some good advice here.

The Cleveland police have already come up with excuses as to why they will not enforce the law. They have invited chaos. The handwriting is on the wall. This issue needs to be talked about now, not later when the R.National Convention takes place where Trump and supporters will be fixed targets.

Anonymous Eric the Red June 25, 2016 4:22 PM  

Fine, delete my comment.
I'm no special snowflake, but you are hiding your head in the sand.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 25, 2016 4:23 PM  

@74
I like your style!!! Did you see the "What's Happenin'" episode where Re-Reun illegally recorded the Doobie Brothers concert?

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 25, 2016 4:40 PM  

I thought T-levels were only supposed to be this low in Millenials.

Blogger American Spartan June 25, 2016 5:01 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:I thought T-levels were only supposed to be this low in Millenials.

KILL IT, KILL IT WITH FIRE!

Blogger rcocean June 25, 2016 5:21 PM  

Yes, Rod is the ultimate Cuck. He's actually stated he sympathies with the liberals on almost everything, its only his Religion that keeps him from being a full bore SJW/SWPL.

Blogger rcocean June 25, 2016 5:23 PM  

The “Benedict option” is utterly naive and the sort of thing an adolescent would come up with.

The last thing Rod wants is for Conservatives or Christians to fight back. OMG, the noise, the vulgar fighting, the impolite language!

Better for Christians to just admit defeat and go gently into that good night.

Blogger rcocean June 25, 2016 5:25 PM  

"I tried reading Crunchy Cons and just couldn’t make headway. The air of retreaded old hippy combined with utter naivete’ was just too much for me, plus I don’t care for twee discussions of interior design."

Some with me, it seemed to bear no relationship to reality.

Blogger rcocean June 25, 2016 5:25 PM  

"I tried reading Crunchy Cons and just couldn’t make headway. The air of retreaded old hippy combined with utter naivete’ was just too much for me, plus I don’t care for twee discussions of interior design."

Some with me, it seemed to bear no relationship to reality.

Blogger rcocean June 25, 2016 5:27 PM  

"Dreher is a useless gasbag."

Almost but not quite. His TAC readership seems to be mostly liberals, and he may have some sort of moderating effect on them.

Blogger rcocean June 25, 2016 5:29 PM  

Christians outnumber the active atheists and Christian haters 10-1. We don't need to surrender, we need to start fighting!

Blogger rcocean June 25, 2016 5:30 PM  

Christians outnumber the active atheists and Christian haters 10-1. We don't need to surrender, we need to start fighting!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2016 5:37 PM  

To cucks like Dreher, fighting itself, is unChristian. Even fighting back. Even,a s near as I can tell, defending your home, family and culture, is verboten for Christians.

Anabaptists are sometimes courageous in their Christian Pacifism. Wrong, but possessed of unrelenting physical courage.
This type is afraid even to claim pacifism.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 25, 2016 5:51 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:@74

I like your style!!! Did you see the "What's Happenin'" episode where Re-Reun illegally recorded the Doobie Brothers concert?


Don't recall that one, but I was more into Good Times.

In the "Don't Let the Door Hit You in the Ass" Dept. :
George Will bolts the GOP.

Blogger ValeriusMaximus June 25, 2016 6:18 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:ValeriusMaximus wrote:the true state is omnia potens [all powerful], not omnia faciens [all doing];

Sorry, but any state that starts as omnia potens inevitably becomes omnia faciens. Because states must be be run by people, for people, and putting them in charge of a state does not make them better, it makes them worse.

Fascism is a lie that tries to replace God with the State. It is evil unadorned.


Evola considered himself a traditionalist, not a fascist, though he admired some aspects of fascism. I do not disagree with you though, my quoting him is not to be taken as an unqualified endorsement. I meant only to show that the intellectual influences in the alt-right are clearly not all, or even primarily, libertarian.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2016 6:34 PM  

ValeriusMaximus wrote:I meant only to show that the intellectual influences in the alt-right are clearly not all, or even primarily, libertarian.
Well, the 1488ers have no trouble telling you what their intellectual foundation is.

Anonymous mature craig June 25, 2016 6:55 PM  

Well lets see. Vox likes Trump and he tries to like Paul Ryan. Build on that.

Blogger Matthew June 25, 2016 7:12 PM  

vashine wrote:Hence, true, purist libertarians cannot accept limitations on migration or trade, based on the idea that as long as it only involves my private property and is not denying anyone else their basic rights of liberty to associate and choose, aka it is wholly voluntary between the actors, then it is a good and to use force or threats of force to stop me from doing it is an evil.

Libertarians never quite seem to understand geography, or having neighbors.

Free trade requires roads. Renting a catamite requires roads.

Blogger Matthew June 25, 2016 7:13 PM  

Who owns the roads?

Blogger Paul June 25, 2016 7:29 PM  

Clint says:
June 23, 2016 at 8:48 pm

Hillary Clinton,
“Laws have to be backed up with resources and political will, and deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed.”

Many of us Christians prefer not to cut and run and head for the tall grass,but rather to stand our ground right now and fight,while we improvise,adapt and overcome.

[NFR: You read this blog regularly, but you are bound and determined to misunderstand what I mean by the Benedict Option. You could at least read the Benedict Option FAQ. — RD]

Clint says:
June 23, 2016 at 10:51 pm



[NFR: You read this blog regularly, but you are bound and determined to misunderstand what I mean by the Benedict Option. You could at least read the Benedict Option FAQ. — RD]

That’s a Lie.
I can’t ever remember,even once writing anything pro or con about your Benedict Option. In fact,I’ve never had a problem with Monastic Brothers,Religious Enclaves,Amish Communities,that were working in a good manner on their spiritual self.
Many of us Christians will stand and fight,improvise,adapt and overcome and protect your Benedict Options from being overrun.

[NFR: No, you have this idea that the Benedict Option is entirely about heading for the hills and hiding out in a compound. It’s clear from your final sentence. If you want to have the strength to withstand what the world throws at you, and to successfully fight back against it, you had better take the Ben Op. — RD]

The Benedict Option will do whatever you want it to do for you as long as you like it. If you don't like the oral, head for the hills Benedict Option, why not take the anal, don't head for the hills Benedict Option instead? The Benedict Option offers something for anyone who takes it. Only those who don't take the Benedict Option to bed find themselves lonely and left out.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 7:45 PM  

Violence is not an option, once anyone accepts violence as a valid means of changing the social order he abandons the protection afforded by the moral order. If one contends violence may be used against X, how does one object to X responding in kind? Suspect anyone advocating violence, they seek to undermine your position. The Brexit vote seems to have caught many experts flat footed, this is good, this means their perspective is so obscured by their philosophy they can't see what is before them. Identify the Truth and advance it, they can't handle that. It doesn't matter if it's the fallacy of free trade, or, the Hugo's advance the Truth.

Blogger Paul June 25, 2016 7:55 PM  

The best way I've found to understand the Benedict Option is this. Some, like Rod Dreher, take the Benedict Option by not fighting but instead by traveling to Italy and Maui to eat and drink well. Others, like Clint, can take the Benedict Option by doing the fighting for Rod Dreher that he's too full and sleepy after that great meal to do for himself, but only if Clint calls his fighting for full, sleepy, non-fighting Rod the Benedict Option. Otherwise, there's no hope for Clint, because something.

So take the Benedict Option, whatever it is, lest the curse of something fall upon you. And buy and read Rod's book about the Benedict Option as soon as you possibly can to fill in any gaps your magical circle.

Blogger Matthew June 25, 2016 8:11 PM  

INCOMING!


WORD SALAD!

Blogger Matthew June 25, 2016 8:12 PM  

Joe Keenan wrote:Violence is not an option, once anyone accepts violence as a valid means of changing the social order he abandons the protection afforded by the moral order.

This is one of the stupider things I have read here.

Violence is always an option, and usually the best one, for enforcing or restoring the moral order.

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 25, 2016 8:20 PM  

In re to the above comments about the conflict between the Alt Right and libertarians, I think the incompatibility of the two philosophies is exaggerated. There is conflict between the more extreme ideologues in both camps (i.e., dogmatic open borders libertarians and theocratic "let's outlaw sodomy" traditionalists). There is, however, a large middle ground where they can overlap. Many libertarians can accept closed borders, ethnic homogeneity and high social cohesion as the best environment for getting and maintaining minimal government. Many AltRight/traditionalists can accept that the enforcement of morality and tradition is best left to the free choice of individuals, provided they are ethnically homogenous, rather than the state and support removing restrictions on free association, anti-discrimination laws, dismantling punitive laws surrounding marriage, etc. so that individuals can enforce their values.

Japan is an example where order and cohesiveness is maintained through ethnic homogeneity and minimal government (relatively speaking). http://www.japantoday.com/smartphone/view/opinions/modern-japan-land-of-small-government

Blogger Groot June 25, 2016 8:28 PM  

@36. ValeriusMaximus:

I had never heard of these guys, and know almost nothing about the alt-right (libertarian through and through), but are you sure about these guys' influence?:

Julius Evola: A Buddhist mystic who rejected nationalism, "which he viewed as a conception of the modern West and not of a Traditional hierarchical social arrangement," and held Monarchism as his "preferred form of government, given that a Monarch would hold spiritual principles above the State and enforce a hierarchy of warriors, priests, merchants and scholars." Also, an obsession with certain precious bodily fluids and a belief in Atlantis, amongst much, much other kooky stuff.

Guillaume Faye: "his call for a pan-European government."


Alain De Benoist: A pagan who "opposes Christianity as inherently intolerant, theocratic and bent on persecution" and has written three books against racism.

Ernst Junger: "hated democracy like the plague" and rejects the liberal values of liberty, security, ease, and comfort, and seeks instead the measure of man in the capacity to withstand pain and sacrifice.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 8:54 PM  

Matthew, You're either an idiot, or a troll. Regardless, your perspective is inane. Let me explain it to you, I'll write slow and use little words so as not to strain your obviously limited cognitive abilities (sorry there, cognitive abilities means reasoning/brain power). So, say an idiot like yourself convinces a population to rise against the greatest military power the world has ever known...what would be the outcome?

1. Rebels would be crushed by a professional army. The rising would also have hamstrung sysmpathetic elements within the Military Industrial Complex. Your actions prevent their support. Thanks, Matt!

2. The rise of a dictatorship and a resulting massive loss of freedoms. Thanks, Matt!

3. The purging of sympathetic individuals from society. Think Stalin/Hitler. Thanks, Matt!

Violence snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. In light of Brexit I foresee a call for violence/civil disobedience. This is a chimera, a draw, a setup. The powers to be want violence so they can rationalize a crack down. You're a fuckin' idiot Matt.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 8:56 PM  

" I meant only to show that the intellectual influences in the alt-right are clearly not all, or even primarily, libertarian. " What makes you think we are all Libertarian ?

Libertarians never quite seem to understand geography, or having neighbors.

"Free trade requires roads. Renting a catamite requires roads."
"Who owns the roads?"
The roads are made of magik dirt, I'll have you know.
Good Lord, most Big L libertarians are stupid beyond belief.
But its Dude Weed with most of 'em which says a lot.

Blogger Matthew June 25, 2016 9:06 PM  

Joe Keenan wrote:Matthew, You're either an idiot, or a troll.

I prefer the appellation "+4SD".

Blogger Matthew June 25, 2016 9:06 PM  

But... midwits gonna midwit. Not my problem.

Blogger Matthew June 25, 2016 9:12 PM  

Joe Keenan wrote:So, say an idiot like yourself convinces a population to rise against the greatest military power the world has ever known

This is actually worth addressing.

Midwits always project. My statement that violence is always an option becomes, in Joe Keenan's mind, a Zealot's exhortation to attack Rome.

The violence I'm thinking of involves tar, feathers, and a rail. In extreme cases, a river and a barrel lined with nails.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 9:16 PM  

103. Joe Keenan, you my boy thought process can be summed up in three words :
Damn you're stupid.
Only a true defeatist/ traitor / coward would even entertain your foolish crap, much lest spew it out for all to read.
Dude, you know when the balloon flies you will be one of the first ones culled. You can't blame anyone else, you asked for it.
It is better for a man to die on his feet than live on his knees, you wuss.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 9:33 PM  

Mosby, Your namesake was successful because he executed guerrilla tactics against a superior foe. You seem to advocate the inverse, combat with the greatest military power on the planet. It shouldn't be even considered necessary to refute such a stupid, uninformed perspective, but let's have a go anyway. Stalin called people like yourself, "useful idiots." Gavrilo Princip also fits this definition, he killed Franz Ferdinand and set WWI in motion, no doubt he thought just like you. He was also an idiot. Regarding culling, a pussy like you will cull nothing other than your fuckin' milkweed garden. Grow up sperm breath.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 9:33 PM  

"1. Rebels would be crushed by a professional army. The rising would also have hamstrung sysmpathetic elements within the Military Industrial Complex. Your actions prevent their support. Thanks, Matt!"
Tell that the Colonials vs. the Brits in the Revolution.
How did that work out, joe ? JOE ???

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 9:39 PM  

@105 Perhaps because your testicles haven't descended yet you feel a compulsion to advance your badness. Whatever. Anyone, and this includes you, who thinks they can defeat the greatest military power the world has ever seen is a loon. As things now stand we are protected (to the extent we are protected) by the Posse Comitatus Act this act stops/restrains the US Military from acting within the domestic arena. What do you think would happen if loons like yerself fomented a civil war? I think Posse Comitatus would be suspended and barstool blowhards like yerself would find themselves fighting Recon Rangers. Good luck with that tough guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Anonymous paradox June 25, 2016 9:42 PM  

Come on Josh, disavow Rod Derher, he's completely antigun scum. You would have correctly freaked out, if Trump had made the statement, "I have not looked closely at the legislation, so it is entirely possible that I might support the Democratic proposal."

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 9:43 PM  

@108 Mosby, The world was a lot bigger then. No satellites. No drones. If you think a bunch of weekend warriors can defeat a professional modern army, you're insane. Technological advances dictate tactical adaptations. But you're a tough guy and all that, you'll probably piss on that Abrams and dissolve its armor.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 9:45 PM  










"Mosby, Your namesake was successful because he executed guerrilla tactics against a superior foe."
You sound like you didn't think that was fair, or that the damned to hell Sherman, et al. played by nothing but the rules. The first rule of warfare: There is none.

Blogger Groot June 25, 2016 9:50 PM  

@93. Matthew:
"Who owns the roads?"

Presently, mostly government. Hence the suck. Free market roads is a thing.

Who's the cutie?

@106. jOHN MOSBY:
"three words : Damn you're stupid."

You know, in movies, stupid people are funny, but you're just stupid. Hey! Stop chewing on that remote control. Off! Dammit.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 9:50 PM  

@112 You're wrong. He was right. Mosby did play by rules. You are ill informed.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 9:54 PM  

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Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 9:56 PM  

Mosby, If the actions and beliefs of idiots like yerself and Matthew were actualized the US Miltary might to some extent turn against the population. However, if the US population was brought under attack the same military would be on your side. Would you rather fight against the greatest military power of all time, or, with it?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 10:02 PM  

Groot, your're supposed to be in your bunk right now, little camper.
They don't have those rules at summer camp for nothin' , I'll have you know.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 10:09 PM  

116. Joe Keenan
I'd rather you shut up with your thought experiments. We will see what happens when the rubber meets the road, wuss. I'll recognize you by that streak of yellow runnin' down your back.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 10:14 PM  

@118 No, I don't think I'll shut up, as I don't care what you think. Maybe I should as you're the guy whose going to defeat the greatest military power of all time, so who am I? Know what I think? I think you need to go to bed.

Blogger James Dixon June 25, 2016 10:16 PM  

> Tell that the Colonials vs. the Brits in the Revolution.
How did that work out, joe ? JOE ???

More recently, how did that work out in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 10:25 PM  

Joe, I realize you're cranky , but you and Groot have been misbehavin', and need to be punished. I will be your new couselor. Not because I want to, but because Camp Runamuck has called me in to do so.
Oh, you little bastards are gonna be on K.P. and cleanup detail the rest of your stay. Enjoy it, you little shits, I will.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 10:28 PM  

@121 I understand, you can't hang.

Blogger ValeriusMaximus June 25, 2016 10:30 PM  

Groot wrote:@36. ValeriusMaximus:

I had never heard of these guys, and know almost nothing about the alt-right (libertarian through and through), but are you sure about these guys' influence?:

Julius Evola: A Buddhist mystic who rejected nationalism, "which he viewed as a conception of the modern West and not of a Traditional hierarchical social arrangement," and held Monarchism as his "preferred form of government, given that a Monarch would hold spiritual principles above the State and enforce a hierarchy of warriors, priests, merchants and scholars." Also, an obsession with certain precious bodily fluids and a belief in Atlantis, amongst much, much other kooky stuff.

Guillaume Faye: "his call for a pan-European government."

Alain De Benoist: A pagan who "opposes Christianity as inherently intolerant, theocratic and bent on persecution" and has written three books against racism.

Ernst Junger: "hated democracy like the plague" and rejects the liberal values of liberty, security, ease, and comfort, and seeks instead the measure of man in the capacity to withstand pain and sacrifice.


See Richard Spencer of Radix Journal and National Policy Institute, he invented the term alt-right, and these are some of the authors he frequently cites, especially Archeofuturism of Guillaume Faye; Guillaume Faye has spoken at least once at his conference and Alain De Benoist wrote some articles for Spencer's alt-right magazine.

I have read Evola's commentaries on Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, and I don't recall any rejection of nationalism; he rejected the racial obsession of the German National Socialists as well as the totalitarianism of Fascism, the omnia faciens mentioned above. In terms of religious belief, he was certainly an eccentric.

As for influence, I guess that depends on how wide a definition you want to give to alt-right. If you include people like Milo and Cernovich as alt-right, then I suppose not very. If you mean the people who first called themselves alt-right, then very significant.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 10:33 PM  

." Mosby did play by rules"
The first rule of warfare: There is none.
What part of that didn't you get, sonny ?
Ya need some hep with that ? I'll give some, just axe.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 10:40 PM  

@124 Mosby affected a fleet in being strategy. Think Tirpitz. His presence and actions tied up Union forces, at least 14,000 according to Grant. His actual campaigns were ineffective. But you knew this, right tough guy?

Blogger Lazarus June 25, 2016 10:52 PM  

Joe Keenan wrote:The powers to be want violence so they can rationalize a crack down. You're a fuckin' idiot Matt.

Just like they cracked down on blacks after the Ferguson riots, yes?

And those dindus where not armed.

The Emperor's clothes are ephemeral.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 10:58 PM  

Joe, you pathetic pisswilly. Get over your so called " Knowledge of History " ( You sadly lack in this area, as does Kraut-man ) and focus on the here and now, where your deluded ass started in ths here thread. Nobody stands a chance, take it up the u no ware and like it, becuz your stupid ass says so.
You are truly a coward's coward.
Represent, you sorry assed bitch.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 11:05 PM  

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Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 11:06 PM  

@127 Wow! Though your command of the English language is limited, you no doubt are a tough guy! Do you have the poison hand and all that? Got vital point striking down? No doubt you could defeat Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris and Tamerlane with one arm tied behind your back! Sad you can't hang with me in an intelligent discussion. How does that make you feel? Inadequate, perhaps. It should, you're the type of guy that gets other people hurt. You are massively uninformed. Arguments from credulity, ignorance and authority are a poor excuse for reason.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner June 25, 2016 11:11 PM  

While many on the alt-right were previously libertarians, the alt-right is not libertarian"

They are libertairans that grew up and realized that "Its not that freedom is bad but only Whites think it's rad" A libertarian society would only function if it was made up of 90%+ libertarians. See this refutation of the NAP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcUZrDX5P7A

Joe Keenan Violence is not an option, once anyone accepts violence as a valid means of changing the social order he abandons

If I wanted to hear a faggot talk about bringing a candlelight vigil to a 1400year jihad against civilization I would call an ex.

1. Rebels would be crushed by a professional army

Maybe you should look at the gun control thread before this, or read up on 4th gen warfare. All we would have to do would be cut off the food stamp card and every die verse city would have massive chimp outs. Look at the videos from 10-12-2013 when the food stamp system went down for 8 hours in 16 states.

would be suspended and barstool blowhards like yerself would find themselves fighting Recon Rangers. Good luck with that tough guy

Silly Cuck you think real hard core soldiers would turn on citizen or remember the enemies foreign and (((DOMESTIC)))
Remember I am gay and less cucked than you when you look at this. http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/10/mathematics-of-liberty-one-hundred.html

Do you have the poison hand and all that?

I am actually knowledgeable about poisons.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 11:14 PM  

Your whining, moaning, stomping your feet , holding your breath and pissing your pants all at the same times fails to impress anybody here, Josie.
This ain't Huffpo, I'll have ya know.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 11:25 PM  

WoW! So many tough guys! BGKB scares me! He seems very tough! It seems he can also defeat a professional army! Well, with Matthew, Mosby and BGKB no doubt the alt right can defeat the greatest military power of all time! I kind of doubt it, but look at the manly assurance provided by the aforementioned men of valor....waht's the odds they're wrong?

Blogger Were-Puppy June 25, 2016 11:28 PM  

Saw a funny article on BB where they thought they were engaging in Gorilla Tactics.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 25, 2016 11:32 PM  

132. Joe Keenan
This has gotta be a bot.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 11:32 PM  

@133 Ahhh, Gorilla tactics! The ol' knuckle roll mixed with a slantadiscal charge....very effective when you're 400 pounds of muscle!

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 11:35 PM  

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Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 11:36 PM  

@134 A bot? Think about that statement, you contend you're being owned by a computer program. This would mean the perspective advanced by you are so banal a mechanized response would be adequate to crush you...oh....I see what you mean!

Blogger Were-Puppy June 25, 2016 11:40 PM  

@28 John S

So Dreher is advocating withdrawing into Christian enclaves, while simultaneously going along with democrat gun control schemes... Sounds like a solid plan.
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Sounds so Branch Davidian. I'm sure Lynch could channel her inner Reno to take down those enclaves.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 25, 2016 11:42 PM  

@30 Al From Bay Shore
I'm still tryna' make sense of it all.
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There are all types here, so don't go putting everyone into the libertarian bag yet.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 25, 2016 11:44 PM  

@32 Stilicho

Dreher is attempting to do to Christianity what he and other cucks did to conservatism: infiltrate and redefine it to fit their political goals.
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What do you expect from someone named (((Dreher)))

Blogger Were-Puppy June 25, 2016 11:51 PM  

@57 Al From Bay Shore

I won't identify as such though because it is a white nationalist thing.
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Keep digging.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 25, 2016 11:55 PM  

@57 Please define white nationalism. How does degree of skin reflectivity define a political perspective? I'm sure I reflect more light than most any here, what is the political significance of this?

Blogger Were-Puppy June 25, 2016 11:57 PM  

@70 Eric the Red
@27...
If the enemy has tactics already in place, then the alt-right must plan accordingly. The police can't be relied upon. It's come down to war in the streets, and the effective use of force needs to be planned accordingly, up to and including the use of weapons.
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I'm kind of surprised that some group hasn't gone to some of the protests after they've gathered, and start yanking them out from behind, one here, one there, and making an example of them.

Anonymous AltTrash June 26, 2016 12:10 AM  

"Well, the 1488ers have no trouble telling you what their intellectual foundation is."

That's true. They think Hitler was some sort of genius. What's amusing is that the AltRight have hooked their wagon to an equally distant intellect in Trump. I think it's a matter of the bigots not having anyone with any intellectual firepower to lean on. But that makes sense.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 12:11 AM  

@101 Joe Keenan


In light of Brexit I foresee a call for violence/civil disobedience. This is a chimera, a draw, a setup. The powers to be want violence so they can rationalize a crack down.
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I agree with you here, but none of your reasons.

Anonymous AltTrash June 26, 2016 12:15 AM  

"I'm kind of surprised that some group hasn't gone to some of the protests after they've gathered, and start yanking them out from behind, one here, one there, and making an example of them."

Cowards don't do that sort of thing.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 26, 2016 12:17 AM  

@145 So?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 26, 2016 12:20 AM  
































"Please define white nationalism."
You are the ( ahem ) expert, you define it , Jo Jo.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 12:21 AM  

@135 Joe Keenan

@133 Ahhh, Gorilla tactics! The ol' knuckle roll mixed with a slantadiscal charge....very effective when you're 400 pounds of muscle!
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I was actually responding to the OP, which i realize at this point has been lost in the mists of time - like Gorillas in the Mist!

Blogger Joe Keenan June 26, 2016 12:22 AM  

@148 OK, I will. It's stupid. It's incoherent. It's irrational. It is not a valid political ideology.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 12:23 AM  

@146 AltTrash
Cowards don't do that sort of thing.
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Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 26, 2016 12:24 AM  

"Cowards don't do that sort of thing."
Yes they do, Trash. Yes they do.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 12:26 AM  

My whole problem with "White Nationalism" is trying to reconcile it with people such as Hildebeast, Beckhammed,
John McCuck, Slick Willie, Al Gorzone, etc etc.

They are white, so are they to be included in White Nationalism? If not, why not?

There are plenty of white folks ready to screw everything up given the chance.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 26, 2016 12:31 AM  

" OK, I will. It's stupid. It's incoherent. It's irrational. It is not a valid political ideology."
You just described a Libtard to a tee. Thankee much, Jo Jo.
I could not have done without your well informed help.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 26, 2016 12:34 AM  

@153 You are the correct! I have nothing in common with the tools you mentioned. I have however been reduced to tears as I shared stories of my Catholic school boys days with a low skin reflectivity Catholic (black). Likewise, there are other people with a high degree of skin reflectivity I have nothing in common (both Catholic and non Catholic). I had a Daoist say I'm a good Daoist (he was yellow). I told him he was a good Catholic....we roared! The key is shared values, not shared degree of skin reflectivity.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 26, 2016 12:38 AM  

@154 No problem John. I used little words and short declarative sentences so you could follow along!

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 26, 2016 12:44 AM  

Jo Jo,
You have already proven your point. You are a braying liberal ass, do you really want to prove it more ?
Go back to Move On, Huffpo or Jackass Underworld where your misfit ass truly belongs.
Just sayin '.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 26, 2016 12:48 AM  

@157 Liberal?! Me?! Bwahahahahaha!You tool, I'm probably the most conservative person that posts here. I can offer a rational response to the question, "What do you want to conserve?" Idiots like yerself always give me an open faced blank stare (like yer doin' now), when I ask them the same. So, tell me mister conservative and all that, what are ye tryin' to conserve?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 26, 2016 12:51 AM  

"I'm probably the most conservative person that posts here. "
Survey says you a lyin' mo-fo, Jo- Jo.
Give it up and go home already.

Blogger Joe Keenan June 26, 2016 1:02 AM  

@159 Nothing in reply but obscenities. You know what they say about obscenities don't you tough guy? Obscenities is evidence of a small mind endeavoring to express itself. And here you go offering proof to that very thesis.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 26, 2016 1:05 AM  

@Were-Puppy
I was suggesting that "libertarian" is math and that Alt-Right is an application thereof. I'm entertaining the idea that "libertarian" is a category full with variations that form factions.

@146, AltTrash
Sei un asino muto.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 26, 2016 1:30 AM  

"@159 Nothing in reply but obscenities."
Nigga puh-leez.
You best read some of your posts upstream, you damn fool.
Go home to DU already, dipstick.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 1:47 AM  

@161 Al From Bay Shore
@Were-Puppy
I was suggesting that "libertarian" is math and that Alt-Right is an application thereof. I'm entertaining the idea that "libertarian" is a category full with variations that form factions.
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I don't think there really is a definition of alt right. There are all kind of groups who claim to be alt right, so maybe it's still forming.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 26, 2016 1:54 AM  

@163
I'm going to continue to identify as a dissident libertarian while, simultaneously, cheering the rise of the Alt-Right. You guys are fighting the good fight!

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 26, 2016 1:58 AM  

@162
john Mosby said "Nigga puh-leez."
Pouring out a bit of an Olde English 40 oz. in your honor! That was hot!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 26, 2016 3:02 AM  

Joe Keenan wrote:Whatever. Anyone, and this includes you, who thinks they can defeat the greatest military power the world has ever seen is a loon.
Vietnam
Afghanistan
Iraq


Face it oe, you're an idiot. You're not even on the 50th percentile or conservatism here. We got White supremacists, we got monarchists, we got anarcho-Libertarians. Advocating "Do nothing and let the sate rape you" is not conservative

Blogger Badger Brigadon June 26, 2016 3:17 AM  

@95-

1) Violence is in fact an option, and a good one. anyone who claims otherwise is apparently unfamiliar with the majority of human history.
2) The alt-right is populated heavily by those who have chosen to protect the social order. You seem to fail to understand that Veterans, ex law enforcement, and the 'blooded military', including current military, are a huge majority of alt-right. They are not 'protected by the moral order', they are the PROTECTORS of that Moral order, and this are fully conversant with the concepts of fighting without that protection.
3) the most popular firearm in the United states is the 30.30 rifle. This rifle is quite capable of penetrating military kevlar, including that worn by soldiers and used in a large number of military vehicles. You are assuming that any armed conflict would be 'army vs. americans', but a unified and organized suppressive army would be the first casualty of an armed conflict... It would be more likely 'army vs. army'.
4) Drones are a joke. Drones cannot hold territory, and they are easily blocked or jammed by equipment that can be constructed out of household items. Drones are a terror weapon, and you cannot enforce order with a terror weapon.
5) today's ground based liberal military would be almost entirely capable of doing the job of suppressing dissent in America. The cops are more capable, but again, one would have to assume that they are not sympathetic to a change of the current social order. Once one steps outside of the limits of a major city, Cops become increasingly intolerant of the neoliberal social order.

In short, an armed revolution would be 'internal fighting in the military' rendering the military a non issue, and federal forces fighting against those extremely capable of using violence outside of the cities.

Obviously, violence is not the BEST answer, since violent revolution always creates a period of horror and instability, but if the need is great enough, such as in a 'gun grab' sort of situation, it is absolutely an option, and one federal forces have virtually no chance of winning.
Believe me, there is a good reason groups like the Oathkeepers are on federal watch lists. Fortunately, however, most of thoe sorts of ex-military groups recognize that wholesale violence is a bad idea, as long as the current social order has at least a chance to reform... but if that current social order chooses to eliminate all possibility of peaceful reform, Those groups are quite ready and able to oppose it with violence.
In a way, the leftists stocking the 'new military' with foreigners who have no problems suppressing Americans is a good thing, because they will be easier to recognize if it comes to violence.
But to quote Heinlein, "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms."

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit June 26, 2016 5:19 AM  

Quisling.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit June 26, 2016 5:39 AM  

Quisling.

Blogger Paul June 26, 2016 5:53 AM  

Angry, angry people.

This is the only true path to liberty and salvation. The healing Benedict Option power of kale and yoga.

Blogger Stilicho June 26, 2016 7:31 AM  

Pussyfism is the last refuge of cowards.

Anonymous BGKB June 26, 2016 8:43 AM  

BGKB no doubt the alt right can defeat the greatest military power of all time

You misunderstand when the food stamp system goes down it will be Shitivous and Latrina who kill you not me.

@57 Please define white nationalism. How does degree of skin reflectivity define a political perspective?

Evolution didn't stop at the neck in humans. If a black boy was born in a rice paddy he wouldn't have the same 1/50 chance of getting a perfect math SAT as Asian boys do. San Fran Public schools are 8% black with 71% of students arrested being black with adult crime even more disparate. You can have sex & take dumps on the street legally in San Fran but the only way equalism could exist is if the GayKK cops and teachers ignored when Asian Girls shiv people for their lunch money because its part of their ninja culture.

I can offer a rational response to the question, "What do you want to conserve?"

The right of wig wearing men to wander into little girls bathrooms, the decriminalization of public defacation in NYC/San Fran, your marijuanas, your mudsharking, ((((fraud))), (((corruption))). Did I miss anything?

Blogger Unknown June 27, 2016 12:01 PM  

Vox if you haven't read Rod's book on his childhood, specifically his sister, "The Little Way of Ruthie Lemming," it lays out his psychology very well. Rod was always effete and weak and his family despised him for it. He was a huge disappointment to his father, who seems to have been a genuine southern man's man who enjoyed hunting and farm work. Rod's whole life until a few years ago seems to have been an attempt to escape his redneck Louisiana roots.

When his sister died he came home. He seems to have realized that the people he despised for so long were better folks than his trendy east coast writer friends. But he's still afraid to fight and above all afraid of "racism."

Despite this his whole Benedict Option plan is basically an attempt to create implicitly white communities, especially white schools based around things like traditional Eastern Orthodoxy or Catholicism. These religious traditions do not appeal to mestizo Catholics. He's too blind to see that what he wants for his kids is the sort of community he grew up in, ie a white dominated one.

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