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Thursday, June 23, 2016

The Disney bait-and-switch

Disney is now making use of the same trick to sell its movies that the Pink SF crowd has been pulling for decades, in this case, selling princess movies to the public under the guise of a film for boys.
The first teaser trailer for Disney’s new animated musical Moana has been released online, and it’s a little short on… Moana. The film’s titular heroine is a Polynesian princess (voiced by native Hawaiian teenager Auli'i Cravalho, in her film debut) who journeys across the sea to find a legendary island, with the help of demi-god Maui (voiced by Dwayne Johnson). When the film opens in November, Moana will be the newest Disney princess and is expected to be absorbed into the multibillion-dollar Disney Princess franchise. So why is the trailer (below) all about Maui?

It’s not because Dwayne Johnson is the biggest-name star in the film, although that is true. It’s just the latest example of a very specific Disney marketing strategy, designed to broaden the appeal of its fairy-tale movies by making them appear less girl-centric. Because a movie for the female half of the population is a “niche” film, whereas a movie aimed at boys is fun for the whole family! Or so the thinking goes.

This all began after 2009’s The Princess and the Frog underperformed at the box office. That film had a few notable issues — like a meandering story, in which the princess spent most of her time being a frog — but per the Los Angeles Times, Disney execs came to the conclusion that The Princess and the Frog didn’t attract an audience because boys didn’t want to see a movie about princesses. 

Which brings us to Moana. To its credit, Disney hasn’t excluded the main female character in its marketing to the extent that it did with Frozen and Tangled. The first image released from the film featured the princess and the demi-god side by side and a video posted online in October introduced actress Cravalho to the world. So it’s disheartening that the first teaser essentially excludes Moana. Maybe the full-length trailer will be a little more balanced?

The bait-and-switch of the trailers is also indicative of an issue with the princess films themselves: Since 1989’s The Little Mermaid, male characters have had the majority of dialogue in Disney fairy-tale movies. Even though the protagonists of these movies are girls, they exist in a world of male sidekicks and supporting characters who get the last word.
Boys don't want to see movies about princesses. Boys don't want to read books about romances either. But rather than simply making movies that boys want to see and publishing books that boys want to read, the SJWs in Hollywood and in publishing think that the secret to success is making princess movies and publishing romances, then deceiving everyone as to the content.

It's remarkable what contempt they have for their customers; one imagines they must understand that even the most dimwitted boys and parents are going to eventually figure out the bait-and-switch and simply stop buying anything from them.

SJWs always lie. Always.

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Blogger Gaiseric June 23, 2016 8:13 AM  

Boys don't want to see movies about princesses. Boys don't want to read books about romances either.

I'm also skeptical about how much white people in America want to see movies about native Hawaiians too. It seems to me that the more "diversity friendly" of their movies are also their worst performing ones. But they won't get that message either.

They've been coasting on their brand name for a long time, but Iger in particular is trashing it fast.

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2016 8:14 AM  

What was the last good movie Disney made, not counting anything that was actually made by Pixar?

Blogger Anchorman June 23, 2016 8:18 AM  

It's not just Disney. There aren't films for young boys anymore, at least none that aren't immediately highjacked by "spunky female sidekick." I have sons who have zero interest in movies. None. Not even the superhero movies. The movies have been so uninteresting to them for years that it's simply not a part of their culture anymore. They don't really give them a chance.

On the Disney franchise, the more "special" princesses, the less "special" princesses become.

Or, as I overheard on the internet:

An adult was looking to encourage a young girl to see the latest Disney princess movie and said, "She knows Kung Fu."

The little girl replied, "They all know Kung Fu."

Blogger Anchorman June 23, 2016 8:21 AM  

Let me caveat. They have no interest in new movies.

I can get them to watch somewhat older movies (80s, 90s, and early 2000). Mainly comedy. And they love standup, but that's not really a movie.

Anonymous Steve June 23, 2016 8:26 AM  

Since 1989’s The Little Mermaid, male characters have had the majority of dialogue in Disney fairy-tale movies. Even though the protagonists of these movies are girls, they exist in a world of male sidekicks and supporting characters who get the last word.

Eh? What yeasty excreta is this? You'd need a PhD in Womynz Studies to convince yourself that Disney's pink sparkly princess films are male dominated.

Of course, they don't pass the Bechdel Test. But then again, the Bechdel Test was invented by a fugly lesbian who was upset that more films aren't aimed at beefy carpet munchers.

Anonymous Thales June 23, 2016 8:28 AM  

They can't make movies for boys, because movies that boys would enjoy would contain messages and themes that contradict the feminist/SJW ethos, thus forbidden.

Blogger Gaiseric June 23, 2016 8:30 AM  

James Dixon wrote:What was the last good movie Disney made, not counting anything that was actually made by Pixar?
Tangled. Yeah, it's a princess movie, but it's not bad.

Anonymous Steve June 23, 2016 8:30 AM  

There aren't films for young boys anymore

I know a 2 year old who only wants to watch films with Iron Man or Captain America in them.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey June 23, 2016 8:33 AM  

The last good animated movie Disney made was the original "Jungle Book." If Walt didn't make it, we don't watch it. There's only one girl in the whole movie, and it's one of my daughter's favorites. My kids get an hour or two of "screen time" a week. The boys almost exclusively choose the X-Box over a movie. Mostly, we read. There's plenty of old books at the library that are great for boys. You just got to hunt for them.

Anonymous Tom June 23, 2016 8:34 AM  

They couldn't make either The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings properly for this sort of reason. It wasn't a lack of female characters or the importance of them in the story with the Lord of the Rings. It was that they almost exclusively filled traditional female roles. Even Galadriel is a traditional queen who supports and supplies proxies to do her fighting for her instead of jumping in like the Peter Jacksonian "female" elves did.

Blogger FALPhil June 23, 2016 8:38 AM  

@9 Thirdmonkey
here's plenty of old books at the library that are great for boys. You just got to hunt for them.

VD, would Castalia be interested in publishing books for young boys that extolled the traditional virtues of manhood?

Anonymous Leit June 23, 2016 8:40 AM  

Big Hero 6 was an adaptation of an obscure Marvel property, but it was pretty decent.

Guaranteed someone's going to mention "woman up" in a response. Not unjustifiably. Ugh.

Blogger VD June 23, 2016 8:42 AM  

VD, would Castalia be interested in publishing books for young boys that extolled the traditional virtues of manhood?

Not at the moment, no.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2016 8:42 AM  

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Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier June 23, 2016 8:43 AM  

@9

Yeah, same here. We're pretty anti-TV and movies and my kids see very few. The one that I regretted letting them watch was "Fiddler on the Roof." I'd forgotten the blatantly anti-goyim propaganda in there. I mentioned this observation to my 13 yo and then later she said, "I'm don't think Fiddler on the Roof is a good movie. They make the Christians the bad guys."

There are a lot of things that were made awhile ago that were passable, but I surprised at how little of it is actually good, worthwhile entertainment.

Anonymous Genericviews June 23, 2016 8:49 AM  

I thought "Lilo and Stitch" was the native Hawaiian Disney princess movie. Extra plus good since she and her older sister were "body image positive" without all those racist "white girl" characteristics.

Anonymous JB June 23, 2016 8:53 AM  

Solution: Back to the classics: Mayne Reid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mayne_Reid

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2016 8:53 AM  

> Tangled. Yeah, it's a princess movie, but it's not bad.

Made in 2010, 4 years after Disney purchased Pixar. I think we can guess why it was good. :) Ditto for Frozen, though they also had the advantage of ripping off and absolutely great story, far better than the one about Rapunzel: http://www.online-literature.com/hans_christian_andersen/972/

Blogger YIH June 23, 2016 8:53 AM  

This all began after 2009’s The Princess and the Frog underperformed at the box office. That film had a few notable issues — like a meandering story, in which the princess spent most of her time being a frog —
''Issues'' was putting it nicely! First, it was designed to create a black 'princess'. Next, the flick was bad from the start, (think Pocahontas and Mulan) so much so that halfway through production (in '06) the project was shelved and Disney's conventional ('cel') animation division was killed off. In '09 they took the about 2/3 complete film off the shelf, farmed out the completion to an anime studio, and released it.
And of course, it bombed. Now you know why it's ''all Pixar, all the time'' now.

Anonymous Bob June 23, 2016 8:56 AM  

I'll confess to enjoying many of the older Princess movies as a young boy, but it's not for the reason Disney would like to think. At the tender age of three I was sent in to the principal for kissing little girls. I always liked Jasmine, Ariel, Belle, and Aurora because I thought they were hot, and I didn't care as much for Cinderella or Snow White because I found them less attractive.

I wonder whether modern Disney has ever considered market research on whether you can get little boys into the cinema by producing attractive female characters who aren't Strong, Independent Women(tm).

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2016 8:59 AM  

@15

Disney is getting back into it's ethno-philia thing. They did a lot of that in the 1990s. Mulan, Pocahontas (etc).

That came screeching to a halt with the epic failure of Brother Bear.

They are feeling brave again after Frozen, which was sort of ethnic even if it was about whites.

Whites are almost sort of ethnic in their own sad little way.

Although they are dipping a toe in more SJW friendly waters by very clearly NOT giving Elsa a boyfriend.

Blogger Chase June 23, 2016 9:01 AM  

@1 Frozen has been - by far - their most successful non-Pixar in years. Probably just a coincidence that it features Scandinavians.

Anonymous Bob June 23, 2016 9:02 AM  

@15

Lilo and Stitch doesn't count because nobody was a princess. The girls have to be princesses, because of reasons and whatnot.

@17

I'm still bothered by the fact that the big villain song is "Mother Knows Best." It strikes me as an inverse Lion King - your parents probably don't have your best interests at heart, so you should run away with the fun-loving bum at first opportunity.

@18

It's so sad, because that film has one of the darkest villain songs ever written. Like Hercules' Megara and Hades, it's a case of a great character wasted on a terrible movie.

Anonymous Clyde June 23, 2016 9:07 AM  

Male characters have the majority of dialogue because that is all male characters combined - friend, romantic interest, father (for however long he's around), main villain, henchmen, talking animals or snowmen.

Anonymous Broken Arrow June 23, 2016 9:14 AM  

Strange. From what I understood Disney had given up on boys watching princess and most animated movies which is why they started the super hero franchises. I always thought that was what Frozen was about, a girl-centric movie which the boys don't really care about and weren't invited to.

Anonymous Gogu June 23, 2016 9:15 AM  

Anyone heard the theory about Frozen being gay (more specificaly lesbian) propaganda?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 23, 2016 9:16 AM  

So they purposely make movies that are not popular with young boys of skin privilege color? Is Disney "racist?"

Blogger Millie June 23, 2016 9:16 AM  

Which was later? Aladdin or lion king?

Blogger YIH June 23, 2016 9:26 AM  

James Dixon wrote:What was the last good movie Disney made, not counting anything that was actually made by Pixar?
The Lion King (1994).

Anonymous andon June 23, 2016 9:26 AM  

aside from buying the LOTR and Hobbit series on DVD I haven't watched any movies or TV in over 10 years.

Anonymous Broken Arrow June 23, 2016 9:30 AM  

Gogu wrote:Anyone heard the theory about Frozen being gay (more specificaly lesbian) propaganda?

It was designed to be a world without strong men so the women had to lead.

Kristof is a rather uninteresting Delta, so there's not a strong romantic connection between him and Anna. He got a kiss at the end, but then she left him to skate with her sister which told the audience there was likely no LTR.

Hans is a Beta, but evil.

Olaf is the symbolic gay male friend.

There has been a push in social media to make one of the sisters gay.

Blogger jaericho June 23, 2016 9:30 AM  

I enjoyed Lilo and Stitch, but I think it was because of the nearly all-Elvis soundtrack. (and the non-cgi animation)

Anonymous Elipe June 23, 2016 9:31 AM  

Anchorman wrote:

An adult was looking to encourage a young girl to see the latest Disney princess movie and said, "She knows Kung Fu."


That's how deep the propaganda has penetrated; even well-meaning parents will make their kids watch it, despite their objections.

It's pretty awesome though, how kids just seem to drop red pills, isn't it? You'd think "But they all know Kung Fu" would give the parent some pause, but you know it didn't.

That's how bad the rot is. Some people need to have the red pill shoved down their throats painfully (e.g. by a painful crash into reality like the Wall or getting divorce raped).

Blogger Chris Jackson June 23, 2016 9:35 AM  

The entire time I'm reading this, I'm reminded of the opening scene of The Princess Bride.

"Where's the sports?"

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2016 9:35 AM  

The biggest problem with Princess and the Frog was that every character was engaging EXCEPT Tiana herself.

The Prince was good. I loved her idiot friend Dotty. The gator was fun. Ray was effecting and had nice little death scene that worked well within the tone of the film.

Doctor Facilier was a great villain.

The problem child was Tiana herself. The "you go girl" vibe was just so forced it made the character cliche and unengaging.

The turn off wasn't that she a Black Princess, it was that she was a Feminist Anti-Princess. She was not waiting for her prince to come. No Sir!

That was her silly, air-headed comical blonde friend Charlotte's dream. You were, as a an audience member, ordered to like but look down on Charlotte.

Tiana had goals and plans and no man was going to get in her way of achieving them.

Now I will grant that her character arc was learning that there is more to life than business ambitions. But none the less Tiana McBeal, full filled them by the end of the movie.

What made the Princess and the Frog fail was the "Baby You Can Have It All" lie that has infected our culture.

Anonymous Genericviews June 23, 2016 9:42 AM  

@22, as they say at Disney World, "All little girls are princesses"... even the chubby dark skinned ones.

Blogger The Other Robot June 23, 2016 9:42 AM  

Looks like the AMA always lies as well.

Blogger Nick S June 23, 2016 9:42 AM  

...a painful crash into reality...

They still can't admit it even when it's rubbed in their faces.

Blogger John Borell June 23, 2016 9:44 AM  

I agree with YIH, the last "good" Disney movie (non-Pixar) was The Lion King and that's over twenty years ago.

Blogger Gaiseric June 23, 2016 9:46 AM  

Bob wrote:I'm still bothered by the fact that the big villain song is "Mother Knows Best." It strikes me as an inverse Lion King - your parents probably don't have your best interests at heart, so you should run away with the fun-loving bum at first opportunity.
The singer of "Mother Knows Best" was not the character's mother, she was an imposter, a detail not lost on the audience.

The Disney movie with the vibe you're looking for is The Little Mermaid, with it's "dad's such a stick in the mud, so I'm going to run off with questionable people and throw my whole life away so I can hang out with the cute guy that I don't even know." It would have served her right if they'd kept the original Hans Christian Anderson bad ending.

Blogger Russ June 23, 2016 9:48 AM  

Disney movies are bad, but not nearly as much the The Disney Channel on TV. I can tolerate and sometimes even enjoy the movies (despite their subtext), TDC is intn't allowed in the house.

The best cartoon that I've found for little kids is Octonauts. The captain of the research is an intrepid and entirely competent WASP- white, Anglo-Saxon, polar bear. Most of the stories are about the male crew members, all of whom are smart and capable.

The only nod to feminism is that the mechanic, Tweak, is female, but next to nothing is made of it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 23, 2016 9:48 AM  

In general the West's dominant culture is that of a dominant woman and the right as of late responds like a sub-dominant male.

Only the Alphas of the alt-right can save the West, even the alt-right's brainy gammas are going to have to swallow their false pride and fall in line. 5000 word essays are wonderful and all but they do not exert dominance.

Blogger Christopher Yost June 23, 2016 9:51 AM  

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Blogger Christopher Yost June 23, 2016 9:52 AM  

Bah, sorry.

@1 -

Seriously?

Lilo and Stitch.

Anonymous Gedrin June 23, 2016 9:55 AM  

I fell for that marketing with Twilight. I knew nothing about the books. When I saw the guy pushed through the floor, my first thought was innovative fight scenes, I'm in! I was so angry leaving the theater.

The thing is, that film made me stop giving films the benefit of the doubt. When I commit to going to a film, I research it now. I used to try to go to a film once a week, but now barely go once a month.

These marketers are making a huge mistake in the long-term. But as others have mentioned, it's not about the profit, it's about the message.

Blogger Page June 23, 2016 10:04 AM  

@33 - "Is this a kissing book?"

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2016 10:05 AM  

> The Lion King (1994).

I expect it would come up. Disney didn't make The Lion King. They stole it from Kimba the White Lion.

Blogger haus frau June 23, 2016 10:16 AM  

I've seen the Princess and the Frog. I'm guessing the heroine spent most of her time as a frog because Disney also knows most white people don't want to see a niche film about a black peincess. Funny the story these details tell.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 23, 2016 10:18 AM  

Disney has come a long way since "Song of the South". I'm still try-na' find an uncut version.

Anonymous BGKB June 23, 2016 10:23 AM  

I'm also skeptical about how much white people in America want to see movies about native Hawaiians too

The princess and frog was about a black princess. I am not saying that blacks didn't have princesses, but portray them realistically as in less castles more eating hearts of enemy humans.

Anyone heard the theory about Frozen being gay (more specificaly lesbian) propaganda? Yes

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2016 10:24 AM  

> I'm still try-na' find an uncut version.

Hmm. There's a chance we have it. I'll have to check when I get home.

Blogger szook June 23, 2016 10:28 AM  

Disney....not since "Song of the South".

Blogger John Wright June 23, 2016 10:28 AM  

The Disney Renaissance that hit its stride with LITTLE MERMAID, BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, ALADDIN hit its peak with LION KING, which I think is still Disney's record holder for box office.

Then the story becomes uneven. POCAHONTAS was ant-White PC garbage without a single memorable song (albeit the animation sequence for the Greenpeace-inspired 'Colors of the Wind' was well drawn). HUNCHBACK was good if you can accept the idea of Victor Hugo's novel where everyone live happily ever after. HERCULES was cute and had a clever song or two. MULAN was unexpectedly free from PC despite being a girl-impersonating-boy story, and had several cleverly worded and singable songs. TARZAN was white-hating PC dreck where the Lord of the Apes was portrayed as a skinny surfer-dude looking guy.

But my vote for the last good Disney film is EMPEROR'S NEW GROOVE. It was not a musical, but a zany comedy, made memorable by the voice acting of Patrick Warburton playing Kronk.

ATLANTIS had a few good visual scenes in the submarine, but otherwise was PC dreck; TREASURE PLANET was mediocre; BROTHER BEAR was stupid PC dreck; HOME ON THE RANGE was embarrassingly, appallingly bad, and I rank it below OSCAR AND COMPANY as Disney's worst feature length animated release.

With FROZEN, Disney apparently decided on a strategy of mocking Disney films, and telling us all the previous princess films were stupid, and making sure that true love's first kiss has nothing to do with man-woman relations, and that men don't rescue princesses any more.

ZOOTOPIA is described in Wikipedia as "a sophisticated beast fable about prejudice and stereotypes that proved exceptionally timely in the contemporary American political environment." Which I take to mean that Disney is now fully loyal to the PC standards of promoting anti-White dreck, and is out of the storytelling business altogether.

As you can tell, I once was a huge, huge fan of Disney. No longer. ZOOTOPIA is the first Disney feature length animated film I will never see.

To take a trove of customer loyalty and merely throw it in the sewer is the kind of mistake only the truly loyal PCniks make.

On the other hand, I just showed SNOW WHITE to my youngest boy, and, princess movie or not, he was impressed with the animation, and even more impressed that God Almighty, in the last act, smites the witch with a lightning bolt and casts her flaming headlong into a pit, while smirking vultures fly after.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2016 10:34 AM  

I concur, I enjoy Tangled (especially the nice duet.) The girl is a girl (not a boy in a dress) who is adventurous but requires a weapon to be capable of confrontation, and the guy is nuanced without being near-queer.

The villain is vicious and the supporting characters offer surprises. Good triumphs through self-sacrifice for love.

The guy gets the girl, too.

Blogger J A Baker June 23, 2016 10:34 AM  

Toy Story was good.

Blogger John Wright June 23, 2016 10:37 AM  

@22
"It's so sad, because that film has one of the darkest villain songs ever written"

Hear, hear. And the reprise of his song, where he is dragged screaming down to hell by the powers of darkness, was a remarkably traditional view of the price of dabbling with magic. It kind of surprised me, and still does, that Disney would be so non-PC. The PC types I met at science fiction conventions complained that the portrayal of Voodoo was inaccurate; they seemed upset at making a voodoo witch doctor, traditional bad guy from a hundred adventure stories, into a bad guy. PC only likes it when bad guys are good guys, and good guys are bad guys. It is that 'moral compass flipped' thing you've all seen before.

Blogger YIH June 23, 2016 10:38 AM  

While The Lion King was a big hit, it also sowed the seeds for the end of conventional animation from Disney.
IIRC it cost $350 million to produce, but luckily it was a big hit. After that, it was made clear ''we ain't doing another huge budget animated film'' so they cut back on the animation department. Also the writing and direction talent started drifting to Pixar. The now rather hollowed-out animation department adopted the ''faster and cheaper'' model that was so successful for the Japanese. Trouble is, the Japanese know what they're doing, crap usually doesn't make it off the storyboard and modest successes are here today, gone tomorrow - few last long enough to become 'franchises'.
The other problem is the second-rate talent left at the conventional animation studio were mostly affirmative action hacks. Producing movies like Pocahontas and Mulan that were so PC that even hardcore liberal reviewers thought was ham-handed. Then when the incomplete The Frog Princess was test-screened, the test audience were unimpressed. The purchase of Pixar sealed the deal, shelve the project, close the animation studios.

Anonymous BGKB June 23, 2016 10:42 AM  

ZOOTOPIA is described in Wikipedia as "a sophisticated beast

I saw it because lew Rockwell claimed it was a libertarian movie due to the Fox's popsicle arbitrage, and the meter maid trying to write up so many tickets that she had to ticket herself. The DMV is all sloths. Oddly Lew missed how the surveillance state plays a positive role in the movie.

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2016 10:46 AM  

> Toy Story was good.

Toy Story was Pixar.

Blogger Gaiseric June 23, 2016 10:49 AM  

Christopher Yost wrote:@1 -

Seriously?

Lilo and Stitch.

That was a story about an alien. And it was made in an era where people weren't yet tired of the relentless PC indoctrination from Disney.

We talk about the Princess and the Frog being a flop, but it wasn't. It made pretty good money.

It's just that nobody cares much about it after the fact. It, like Lilo & Stitch for that matter, were curiosities or novelties at best.

As an aside, the notion that girls need you go, grrl heroes to enjoy a movie is patently ridiculous. My daughter, who is old enough to perceive and reject the bias anyway, has LONG preferred Sleeping Beauty to any other Disney princess movie; precisely because Prince Philip is the only pretty boy prince to act anything at all like a man and do something other than show up get the girl just for showing up.

Blogger YIH June 23, 2016 10:52 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:Disney has come a long way since "Song of the South". I'm still try-na' find an uncut version.
Good luck. It was released to LaserDisc but never to VHS or DVD. It was last re-released in '86 to theaters. It'll likely never see the light of day again.
Because racist.

Blogger The Other Robot June 23, 2016 11:01 AM  

It’s enough to make a Disney fan think that we don’t have to market these worthless movies by making girls invisible — but judging from the Moana teaser, we’re not there yet.

FIFY.

When Disney starts turning Kratman novels into movies I will be interested.

Blogger Sevron June 23, 2016 11:11 AM  

I loved Oliver and Company when I was a kid. What do you object to in it?

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 23, 2016 11:12 AM  

As with all other SJW-converged entities, no DHS contractor is holding a loaded AR to anyone's head forcing them to purchase Disney-owned products or watch Disney-controlled media of any kind … yet. I've no doubt they would have things set up this way as soon as they are able. As VD mentioned in his podcast, these places are not going to be reformed, nor are they reformable. They need to be burned to the ground completely and the ground salted so nothing grows there again. Disney is no exception to this rule.

Blogger CJ June 23, 2016 11:30 AM  

I actually found Zootopia to be an almost subversive movie, where the inner nature of the characters remained constant in spite of social engineering. The large aggressive predators remained aggressive predators, while the rabbit's attempt to become a police officer was an uphill struggle. I'm not sure that the creators of the film intended that, but such was the result.

Anonymous Jill June 23, 2016 11:34 AM  

My son likes romances if they're, for example, about cowboys fighting bad guys and rescuing girls. Romance is part of what it means to be human.

Anonymous John Steed June 23, 2016 11:36 AM  

I hold in my hands as I type this a book my late mother read to me as a little child. It`s title: Walt Disney Presents UNCLE REMUS. Copyright 1946. One of the three tales: De Tar Baby. ``One day brer Fox and Brer Bear wuz sittin` round de woods, an Brer Fox say, all to once, ``I`m goin` to make a new sort of trap dat`s sure to git Brer Rabbit!`` Yep, Disney doesn`t make `em like they used to.

Blogger horsewithnonick June 23, 2016 11:36 AM  

Lilo and Stitch was good, violent fun.

Blogger horsewithnonick June 23, 2016 11:40 AM  

It was mostly about the aliens, though, which was its saving grace imo.

Anonymous Michael Maier June 23, 2016 11:46 AM  

EMPEROR'S NEW GROOVE and LILO & STITCH are great movies. BIG HERO 6 struck me as good but I only watched it once and not critically. MULAN was good as well. Other than that, everything since ALADDIN has been "meh" (HERCULES) or plain sucked.

I don't get the continual "Princess" thing. Every broad has to be or become a princess or queen? Really, WTFF?

"because Prince Philip is the only pretty boy prince to act anything at all like a man and do something other than show up get the girl just for showing up. "

That ending is badass. I remember being shocked when I watched it with my niece around 20 years ago.

Blogger Shimshon June 23, 2016 11:47 AM  

@51 I agree with you on Emperor's New Groove. It was a good story with good old school animation and good casting. The comedy catered to adults and children. The pop culture references weren't as overwrought as some other contemporary movies. Kronk was hilarious.

Anonymous Rolf June 23, 2016 11:48 AM  

One of my kids favorite movies (I think they first saw it when 9 and 6) was "Captain Horatio Hornblower," starring Gregory Peck. Of Course it's family friendly - clean language, some vague historical accuracy, a proper gentleman as the lead, and a proper lady to play across from him. Beats the heck out of any princess movie.

Why can't Disney make men (particularly dads) act like competent, respectable men, and boys do and learn the things they need to grow into men, without being either laden with stupid FX or improbable abilities. I'll never take my kids to Disneyland or Disneyworld, because (cost aside) they insult me as a male and an American of northern European ancestry at every opportunity.

Blogger Daetrin June 23, 2016 11:48 AM  

I'd say Zootopia was entirely New Sincerity. It spent an entire wham moment entirely deconstructing the concept that the world cares about you in any way, that your dreams matter, or that you can actually do everything you want simply because you want it. You're limited to what you can do.

Then it spends the rest of the movie building up the idea that the world can be a better place if you take responsibility for making it so. While twisting the knife in manufacturing fear for power.

If you're sneeringly committed to Approved-Themes-Only I guess you can look down on Zootopia but in my opinion it's far and away the best Disney movie in years.

Blogger Shimshon June 23, 2016 11:49 AM  

Regarding Princesses (tm), I liked Enchanted with Amy Adams in the (live action) title role. Otherwise, meh.

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2016 11:49 AM  

OK. We do have a copy of Song of the South. No idea if it's uncut or not though. As to where to find it? Well, just say Argh, Matey as you set sail from the Bay.

Blogger Unknown June 23, 2016 11:58 AM  

That is really shitty how they try to trick boys into watching stuff they don't want to watch. I am fine with Disney turning into a completely female-oriented business but trying to trick people into watching your movies is fucking disgusting. I haven't watched anything from Disney but now I will try to avoid them as much as possible.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 23, 2016 12:02 PM  

Male characters have the majority of dialogue because that is all male characters combined - friend, romantic interest, father (for however long he's around), main villain, henchmen, talking animals or snowmen.

That's because girls don't really like having other girls (i.e. competition) around - they want to live in a world surrounded by men (who are showing off for them) to pick from.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 23, 2016 12:05 PM  

Kratman's Big Boys Don't Cry would make an awesome Disney Princess movie.

Anonymous JamesD June 23, 2016 12:08 PM  

Disney plot line:

She's misunderstood and a little socially awkward due to her masculinity. But she is hot, sexy, and smart, just doesn't fit in. She overcomes adversity while helping guide her effeminate male sidekicks. You go girl, you have it all.

Rinse and repeat.

Blogger Jakeithus June 23, 2016 12:16 PM  

I found Zootopia to be one of the most disappointing movies I've seen in some time. Not so much on the theme end of things; people can read into it what they want, and the progressive themes to me didn't stand out as egregious in terms of the progressive themes you normally find in Disney movie these days.

For me the bait and switch was that after seeing the DMV/Sloth scene I was expecting a movie that was funny, and what I got was something rather boring and forgettable.

Lion King was the last great Disney movie, Jungle Book is the best, and Robin Hood is my personal favorite

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2016 12:27 PM  

> I found Zootopia to be one of the most disappointing movies I've seen in some time

The best response I've seen to Zootopia was at http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2016/04/04/0774-a-strip-for-peace-and-tolerance/

Anonymous Noah Nehm June 23, 2016 12:27 PM  

@77: "She's misunderstood and a little socially awkward due to her masculinity. But she is hot, sexy, and smart, just doesn't fit in. She overcomes adversity while helping guide her effeminate male sidekicks. You go girl, you have it all."

Add to that a mom with a PhD whom she resents and a goofy bumbling dad whom she's embarrassed of and call it a wrap!

Blogger Krul June 23, 2016 12:28 PM  

ZOOTOPIA is a thoroughly uninteresting movie on its surface, but what struck me when I saw it is that there's a possible subversive interpretation of the story. Almost certainly unintended, but impossible to un-see once you've seen it, kind of like ANGRY BIRDS and the refugee crisis.

*spoilers*

ZOOTOPIA takes place in the titular city, where anthropomorphic animals live in relative harmony, despite being acutely aware of the fact that the preys' ancestors were hunted by the predators'. This leads to social tension, which is exploited by the sheep.

The sheep, who consider themselves to be oppressed "little guys" along with the other prey species, take power by making the public think that predators are "going savage" (i. e. acting out their killer instincts), which leads to the exclusion of predators and the promotion of prey species. In other words, the sheep use lies to turn prey against predators and thus take power for themselves.

You can probably already see where this is going.

Predators = White people. (Hence the history of predation is the narrative of colonialism, slavery, and racism we're all familiar with). This is demonstrated by the fact that the first important predator character we see, Gideon Grey, is a blatant redneck stereotype.

Prey = people of color. This is demonstrated by the fact that Judy Hopps benefits from an affirmative action program to get her job as a police officer.

Sheep = leftist race baiters

Not intended, obviously, but still amusing to think about.

Blogger S1AL June 23, 2016 12:30 PM  

Disney makes good movies - they're just almost exclusively Marvel and Pixar productions. Civil War is, if anything, a politically conservative film, starring a Christian Traditionalist (and even one who kisses the girl first) as the hero and that portrays the USG as a lawless entity that treats persons as property, assassinates American citizens, and holds war heroes in a secret prison designed for extraterrestrials.

The secondary antagonist of the film, Iron Man, is the quintessential Modern American Man - suave, rich, brilliant, and utterly insatiable of reconciling his beliefs or maintaining a romantic relationship.

I really can't say enough good things about that movie.

Blogger Timmy3 June 23, 2016 12:45 PM  

Disney movies aren't always about a Princess although it is very clear which movie adaption was based on a known fairy tale. Few Disney movies hide the fact that they are Princess movies for Tangled, Brave, and Princess and the Frog actually feature Princesses. Mulan is based on Chinese Folklore and she isn't a Princess. Mulan just became one after the fact and when they want to celebrate Chinese New Year in the theme parks. Who knows if Moana is actually a Disney Princess. We won't know until the movie opens, but everyone now knows Moana is a female character and can avoid it.

Blogger Gaiseric June 23, 2016 12:59 PM  

@82: The only real complaint I had was that Captain America didn't just laugh out loud and walk out of Ross's meeting when they were accused of ... I don't even know what exactly; not sufficiently stopping the bad guys from being bad? Somehow when bad guys attack innocent people, it's the superhero's fault? The fact that that thought was taken seriously by anyone at all, or was even expressed, honestly, was stupid beyond all reason.

But maybe the writer's couldn't think of any other justification for the superhero registration initiative, or something.

Anonymous BluePony June 23, 2016 1:00 PM  

"Boys don't want to see movies about princesses."

Well, depends. Are they hot?

Anonymous BluePony June 23, 2016 1:05 PM  

"Anyone heard the theory about Frozen being gay (more specificaly lesbian) propaganda?"

Just say no to Tumblr.

Anonymous BluePony June 23, 2016 1:13 PM  

"Somehow when bad guys attack innocent people, it's the superhero's fault? The fact that that thought was taken seriously by anyone at all, or was even expressed, honestly, was stupid beyond all reason."

Actually, I thought it was a perfect example of the unreason that permeates our world today. Terrorist shoots 50 people? OMG! Quick! Organize a sit in in Congress for more gun control legislation!

Mention that all the guns used in the various EU terror shootings were already [SUPERMEGABANNED], and you get blank stares and crickets.

Now whether the writers intended it that way is another question.

Anonymous cheddarman June 23, 2016 1:18 PM  

Michael Eisner did not cry when Old Yeller died.

Anonymous JAG June 23, 2016 1:19 PM  

I knew that Star Wars ep 7 was going to be a total SJW crapfest so I won't ever make any effort to watch it. Like many things from my childhood I must do without because of the destruction by leftist agenda pushers.

I did enjoy Guardians of the Galaxy, but I am expecting the sequel to be converged. I don't trust Disney at all, and the Marvel print comics have become so converged as to be laughable parodies of what was once a great source of entertainment. It won't be long before all Marvel movies follow this same pattern.

Blogger Achilles June 23, 2016 1:22 PM  

My favorites are still Robin Hood and Black Cauldron.

My eyes will be on whether this deceptive marketing works. I always hope the public wises up and skips a film. But then something like Fembusters makes a mint and my hope for humanity lessens.

Blogger James Dixon June 23, 2016 1:26 PM  

> But then something like Fembusters makes a mint and my hope for humanity lessens.

There's a reason you see MPAI used around here so much.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2016 1:33 PM  

@51 John C. Wright

I quite agree with your assessments.

I will give the Princess and the Frog one thing. It made sure that Home On The Range was not the last of the hand drawn animation films. Bad enough that Disney has brought down the curtain on that American art form that Walt himself pioneered but it would have been a tragedy if the last one had starred the voice of Rosanne Barr.

A pity you're sitting out Zootopia. As a student of propaganda films I found it utterly fascinating.

The relationship with the non-Alpha male fox was tailor made for respectful platonic friendship built upon earned trust and no romantic interest what-so-ever. Very consciously so. Straight Female and straight male and they are just good friends because they can't be anything else. No romance allowed.

Two big things on display in this movie. The first is Alpha resentment. Every Alpha in this movie is, "part of the problem," They are all bullies to our bunny. Although none of them are actual villains. That particular mindset of resentment of male authority is very much on display through out the entire production. Especially in the characters of the Chief and (in particular) the Mayor.

Strangely enough, in some ways it even recognizes it's own Alpha resentment with the plot device of the peaceful Predators being unjustly feared by the herbivores.

You might think that the theme of this film is just the usual Hollywood babel of, "you can be anything you want to be, if you only try hard enough." But it's not. The overriding theme here is a far more insidious one. The big theme for Zootopia is; "Biology doesn't matter, you can be anything you want to be if you only want it hard enough"


There was a third thing that I missed, which was really interesting.

The mindset of the creators. The Predators were made into victims of unjust prejudice because of the actions of their ancestors.

It took me a while to figure out why this sat so strangely with with me.

Usually the victim group has a much different profile than that. They were always picked on an exploited in the past and that carried over. They are stand-ins for African-Americans.

It's never because they were former overlords.

That's when it hit me. Whether or not the creators consciously did so. They were making the Predators stand-in's for Whites!

Consider the SJW mindset that has at the back of it's mind, the deep seated fear that Whites will one day be the persecuted minority.

Anonymous guest June 23, 2016 1:42 PM  

Speaking of, everyone has to see check How Disney ruined The Little Mermaid by Maddox.

Anonymous map June 23, 2016 1:50 PM  

The problem with Disney Princess movies is not their girl-centricity. It is that they are subversive. If you have a daughter that you are feeding a study of DP movies on, then you are going to end up with a lot of problems.

DP movies are about the girl rebellion against an authority, usually her father. Mayhem results, but that's ok, because outside forces will come in and fix everything anyway.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2016 1:53 PM  

I liked Pricness & the Frog.
Good points:
Nobody gives you nothin'. Dream all you want, but only hard work and saving will get you what you want.
Dr. Facilier. Everything about him, from his name (Dr. Make It Easy), to his voice, to his ghastly and entirely in-character demise,as the demons he consorts with drag him down to hell.
Bad points:
The prince. No actual woman is going to be attracted to this clown, except for his money. Even at the end of the movie, we see that Tiana, who married him for plot reasons, doesn't respect him, doesn't follow his lead. He becomes, essentially, her servant.
Just, no.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2016 1:54 PM  

Also, the "princess" in Tangled busies herself with learning to cook, clean, sew, read, etc.

Anonymous Headcannon June 23, 2016 2:15 PM  

The Emperor's New Groove is hilarious. It's almost like classic Looney Tunes.

Blogger Horn of the Mark June 23, 2016 2:22 PM  

Really begs the question of why the likes of Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty and Snow White did so well. Was it just the novelty?

I remember being in grade school in the Little Mermaid-Aladdin-Beauty and the Beast-Lion King era. It was just understood that everyone in my class would go see those movies. I liked all of them, though Aladdin was the standout for me.

Disney movies also no longer tell universally appealing stories, partly because they can't. When the majority of the country was white and unashamed of the fact, classic European fairy tales were something everyone had in common. That shared culture is gone, and Disney is pulling from far-flung traditions or just making stories up now. No wonder they don't have the same appeal even before accounting for the PC BS.

Blogger Mr. Bee June 23, 2016 2:27 PM  

If you've been following Disney for a while, you know that they are very good at girl stuff - like the Princess movies and very bad at the boy stuff. Which is why they bought Marvel - which finally gave them both sides of the equation and tripled their stock price. Their most recent movie, Zootopia has grossed over a billion in spite of being a heavy handed message movie. What I'm seeing with Moana is them going back to the disasterous Pocahontus/Mulan era of making movies for PC virtue signaling - because they can. As the superhero stuff moves past it's "sell by" date, they're going through the same boom- PC bust cycle that killed off Disney animation making it necessary to buy Pixar.

Blogger Dwight House June 23, 2016 2:40 PM  

"Boys don't want to see movies about princesses."

Unless her name is Princess Twilight Sparkle. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoowtoEle14

Blogger Roger G2 June 23, 2016 2:49 PM  

Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto" was pretty good, with its portrayal of indigenous South Americans. In my opinion at least, it's a good example of a film that's interesting enough to capture the white audience without pandering to "the marginalized" and "victims."
But in today's SJW-converged Hollywood, it's probably considered racist because of course Mel Gibson.

Blogger Gaiseric June 23, 2016 2:49 PM  

BluePony wrote:Actually, I thought it was a perfect example of the unreason that permeates our world today. Terrorist shoots 50 people? OMG! Quick! Organize a sit in in Congress for more gun control legislation!

Mention that all the guns used in the various EU terror shootings were already [SUPERMEGABANNED], and you get blank stares and crickets.

Now whether the writers intended it that way is another question.

I'll walk back my comment just a bit. I don't have a problem with the fact that the idea was expressed at all, I guess. I do have a problem with the fact that literally nobody called it out as stupid and irresponsible.

Blogger John Wright June 23, 2016 2:51 PM  

Good points of PRINCESS AND THE FROG:

"Nobody gives you nothin'. Dream all you want, but only hard work and saving will get you what you want.
Dr. Facilier. Everything about him, from his name (Dr. Make It Easy), to his voice, to his ghastly and entirely in-character demise,as the demons he consorts with drag him down to hell."

Hear, hear.

Also, the Dad, while dead, was a proper Dad. As a father myself, that is one of the make it or break it things for me in kid's film.

Also, the Prince in Sleeping Beauty is hardcore old fashioned dragon killing prince, who faces all the powers of hell. And Aurora is as gorgeous as acartoon girl can be. The music was taken straight from the ballet, and the style of the background drawings was taken from medieval tapestries.

My second favorite Disney film. (My favorite being BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, which is the story of me and my wife).

OSCAR AND COMPANY was not actively terrible, as HOME ON THE RANGE or BROTHER BEAR was, but it was bland, forgettable, had one good song (Street Savoir Faire) and missed the whole point of the original Oliver Twist on which it was based.

Blogger Matamoros June 23, 2016 2:53 PM  

Boys are in the "ugh, girls" phase until they get into puberty and the sexual impulses arise. At that point there is only one thing the princess is good for - and it isn't being strong, independent and smart

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2016 2:57 PM  

Yes yes yes, all very good and all, but what about the ultimate Disney classic



The Brave Little Toaster Goes To Mars?

Anonymous Discard June 23, 2016 3:05 PM  

81. Krul: In "Zootopia", I liked the bit where the fox, out of curiosity, pats the sheep's poofy hair (An Afro?) and the rabbit silently censures him with a gesture.

Blogger Krul June 23, 2016 3:07 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Yes yes yes, all very good and all, but what about the ultimate Disney classic

The Brave Little Toaster Goes To Mars?


The original Brave Little Toaster is heart warming fun for the whole family, though.

"... Run"

Anonymous Discard June 23, 2016 3:11 PM  

The relationship between Lilo and her doll was very touching to me. Sometimes lonely children really depend on their inanimate friends. Whatever landfill you're in, Spareribs, R.I.P.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra June 23, 2016 3:13 PM  

I revert back to my stance about women invading mens spaces, boys dont want to read that emo junk, we just unloaded or it faded out all that Twlight emo vamperpv junk. Disney=vampervs and I'll tolerate TingleChuck because children wont be exposed to such 'whatever' but Disney is utterly invective and revolting.

Anonymous I liked good dinosaur June 23, 2016 3:24 PM  

The most recent Disney/pixar movie I saw was "the good dinosaur." I thought it was a fantastic man vs nature/coming of age with a strong father figure. It was a fluke I saw it that thanksgiving weekend because I was trying to waste time with my kid who loved it. It was part lion king and land before time.

What did bother me was this weird short before the movie where they had hindu gods appear as superheros. I figured Disney was trying to tank the movie for whatever reason because there had just been reports about mass layoffs at Disney replacing Californians with Indian h1bs.

From reading online I gathered the following. Turns out there had been internal politics with this film with late stage script changes and directorship changes so it went way over budget. They scrapped the advertising budget which is why I saw only two adverts for it. People I knew didn't take their grandkids to this movie because of the what they were told was the "muslim" short. And other people online were saying it was too sad because of the early death of a main character and saying it was too scary because of the villan. (But kids like dinosaurs BECAUSE they are scary.)

Very few people saw this movie but I liked it. It was good to watch with my son.

Blogger Gaiseric June 23, 2016 3:33 PM  

John Wright wrote:Also, the Prince in Sleeping Beauty is hardcore old fashioned dragon killing prince, who faces all the powers of hell. And Aurora is as gorgeous as acartoon girl can be. The music was taken straight from the ballet, and the style of the background drawings was taken from medieval tapestries.
Although much of the artistry was literally borrowed (the Tchaikovsky score), the sheer artistry of this movie makes it head and shoulders above any other Disney movie made, except maybe Fantasia, as an appreciable work of art.

I also happen to really like the story and the characters for a Disneyfied fairy tale. As a little kid, it was my favorite because of the dragon. Now it's my favorite because it's got probably the best male lead of any "princess movie", one of the best villains, the best visuals, and the best score. Disney really hit it out of the park with Sleeping Beauty in a way that is much more timeless than almost any of the others that they made. Certainly much moreso than with the Disney Renaissance and post-Renaissance movies.

Blogger Gaiseric June 23, 2016 3:34 PM  

@109./ Plus, it had a good pioneer work ethic, very sympathetic macho cowboys, and the scenery of western Wyoming in its magnificent glory was as much a character as the characters.

Blogger Paul Widdecombe June 23, 2016 3:38 PM  

Plenty of young boys love Frozen. Well, mine does anyway. He loves dressing up as his hero Hans, the guy who tries to slay the crazy tyrannical ice witch...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 23, 2016 3:46 PM  

I liked the animated version of "Beowulf."

Blogger The General June 23, 2016 4:00 PM  

All this talk of princesses reminds me I need to order a copy of "The Princess and the Goblin" for my 7 year-old daughter to read. MacDonald kills it on the first page, though I'm finding that a number of online versions of the book skip the conversation between MacDonald and the reader where he states that every girl is a princess since every girl is a daughter of the capital-K King, and her chief danger in life is that she will forget her station.

As far as Disney goes, however, I'm a big fan of Bill Peet's work. The work that I most associate as quintessential Disney all seems to bear his influence. I also loved his books as a kid.

I didn't mind Frozen. "Let it go" received the accolades, but "Fixer-upper" was my favorite. It had sort of a C.S. Lewis "Four Loves" vibe to it which I liked. Considering the beginning, the ending was appropriate. My beef with Frozen is that it doesn't seem like anything happens. It's a really uneventful road movie. I wasn't surprised to learn the script was totally re-written half-way through.

Blogger Randsom Smith June 23, 2016 4:04 PM  

I haven't seen most of these movies because my parents didn't let me watch anything with magic. So Aladdin? I mean, *shrug*.

I'd like to toss the Rescuers into the ring. If only because Bob Newheart is so great in the lead roll.

Anonymous Ahmad ibn Fadhlan June 23, 2016 4:12 PM  

@20. Cataline, why are you surprised no boyfriend for Elsa?

Remember that scene with Prince Hans and Elsa? The prison was so cold you could see Hans' breath. But not Elsa's. Elementary physics means her body temperature must be...

Would. Not. Bang. But I would pay to watch the "Ayy tnnnn ih huck!" lesbian scene!

Blogger Kathryn Hadley June 23, 2016 4:14 PM  

Zootopia was a very blatantly political movie. However the villain twist at the end was worth it. (An SJW was the evil mastermind.) At that point it takes its own overly preachy message movie plot and turns itself on it's head.

For all the problems I had with it, it seems this was very intentional. If you look into the movie's development history, it was always about the "victim" class being the real oppressors. At one point the plot involved all the predators being forced to wear shock collars from the beginning.

Anonymous Kreator June 23, 2016 4:17 PM  

Hey, say whatever you wish about "Zootopia" but we got a decent influx of 34 from it, so it all evened it out, in the end.

Still not seen it, yet. Might rent it.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2016 4:22 PM  

@5-The silliest thing is that they talk about The Little Mermaid and female characters not getting enough dialogue in the same sentence, considering Ariel is under a magic spell that turns her mute for a good portion of the film. I assure you, while she wasn't talking no one was focused on the Prince, whatever his name was. She remained the center of attention and we continued to see the story through her eyes.

The crab stole the show, however, especially in the scene with the French chef. Except when the mermaid struck suggestive poses, which was often. Then she repossessed the show. Not that feminists would be happy about that. Remember when she stuck her chest out on that rock and the wave crashed behind her? I was only five when the movie came out but still I knew it meant something. The primal male within my soul whispered: "Just wait."

By the way, female characters not talking as much males is unrealistic, for reasons I don't need to justify. Women never shut up. But that's a bogus metric. Just like with the Whatever Test they want objective proof that movies are anti-woman, or whatever they think. Which is BS. You and I and they and everyone for that matter know movies, tv, and fiction in general are primarily for women. Men are the niche market. That's why they have to be advertised to. Men dominate the creative process because men dominate everything important. They do so in service to woman customers, which is why Hollywood as well as fashion and High Art are so full of homos. Even violent, historical fantasy shows like Game of Thrones are chock-full of gossip, romance, fancy clothes and hairstyles, and grrl power.

The reason make characters get more dialogue, I presume, is because males make for better characters. That's just a fact. Males make especially for better main characters, but if females monopolize that category, men will settle for stealing the show off the bench. I'd rather see ten movies about Gaston than Belle of Beauty and the Beast, because despite igniting the loins of every male in that movie Belle is boring. Which isn't her fault. Men are just more interesting.

Anonymous Discard June 23, 2016 4:29 PM  

111. Gaiseric: The trail boss in "The Good Dinosaur" was Sam Elliot, always a plus.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2016 4:32 PM  

tublecane wrote:By the way, female characters not talking as much males is unrealistic, for reasons I don't need to justify. Women never shut up. But that's a bogus metric.

But no-one want to listen to them. I'm pretty sure a decent writer would wind up committing suicide if forced to write the drivel women actually say.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2016 4:40 PM  

@38-The ending to The Little Mermaid highlights a fault in modern fairy tales, which is that they don't take the moral dimension seriously. It's in there. We know Ariel is in the wrong, and we know why. She should be punished, though she could do something to redeem herself. But she doesn't and is saved anyway. That neuter the message. Either she should meet her doom or be redeemed. She shouldn't be rescued just because we want a happy ending.

One of my favorite movies is Bridge on the River Kwai, and it has what oughtta be the textbook example of redemption. The main character realizes he's made a mistake, says "What have I done?" And with his dying gesture he falls on the detonator plunger and blows up the bridge. The movie has us believe it's all "madness," but I like to think the colonel turns himself into the hero in that moment. Certainly the American isn't the hero, and though the whole bridge enterprise seems like a waste at this point, duty was done in the end.

Ariel should have done something like that, is what I'm saying. But no, she's saved from the outside.

Blogger Anchorman June 23, 2016 4:51 PM  

By the way, female characters not talking as much males is unrealistic, for reasons I don't need to justify. Women never shut up. But that's a bogus metric.

You're missing why they talk less in movies.

If you strain out all the useless chatter they fill their dialogue with in real life and just cut it down to useful dialogue, you see the swing.

Male speech is more action/idea oriented. When looked at for just that purpose, men become the talkers of the group.

If you add the banal chatter women typically fill their time with, the movies become 6 hours long and the normal ratio is restored.

Blogger Anchorman June 23, 2016 4:55 PM  

Black Cauldron

They departed wildly from the book(s). It's practically a different story.

The books were really well developed. Lloyd Alexander was my favorite writer when I was a kid.

He lived near me and I was able to send him a letter and get a very kind response from him while he was still alive.

He's a heavy influence in my fiction writing.

Anonymous Sorcerygod June 23, 2016 4:56 PM  

Walt Disney was as far from an SJW type as possible. I read his biography and was fairly stunned by how brutal, systematic and pragmatically artistic he was. His empire has been taken over by liberals in pursuit of a dichotomy between serving their shareholders' dividends and serving their own society-twisting needs.

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OpenID frankluke June 23, 2016 4:57 PM  

@119 Remember when she stuck her chest out on that rock and the wave crashed behind her? I was only five when the movie came out but still I knew it meant something. The primal male within my soul whispered: "Just wait."

I was young, maybe 6 or 8, when 10 premiered on the networks. In that early iconic scene meant to remind us of The Birth of Venus, I went slack jawed. My dad said, "I think it's time for you to go to bed."

My primal male went "bummer."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2016 4:59 PM  

Sorcerygod wrote:On a more charming note, I have been working on my website. If you could do me a favor, drop by the top posts, which should be on Trump and on my dating an attractive chick, and after reading, scroll to the bottom and enter your comments in LEAVE REPLY box. I need comments to work on the editing functions of my website.

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Blogger tublecane June 23, 2016 5:00 PM  

@115-"So Aladdin? I mean, *shrug*"

The trouble with Aladdin is that the moment the genie appears he takes over the movie, and none of the other characters save the parrot Iago can compete. (Maybe the carpet.) This despite Jaffar being a decent villain. The story suffers. The whole movie becomes one, big Robin Williams routine.

I blame Aladdin for Hollywood names taking over for more talented voice actors in cartoons . The Lion King was infested with them. What does Jonathan Taylor Thomas bring to the table, really? Except that you can advertise the fact that he's in it, and maybe that sells a few tickets. Most celebrity actors have utterly forgettable voices these days. I don't envy the Rich Littles of the world. Who have they had since the Duke? People who yell, like Pacino, and weirdos like Christopher Walken. Certainly they don't have much to work with from the cast of Frozen or Zootopia, which I assume feature Random Young Female Celebrity de jour.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2016 5:03 PM  

@123-I'm not missing that; I was just pointing out a fact. Not that I care about the fact. It's irrelevant. That's why I say it's a bogus metric. Feminists are either dishonest or idiots (or dishonest idiots) for bringing it up.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2016 5:03 PM  

God, he's even more pathetic than I had imagined:

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Fucking gamma bragging that he got laid, eve if only in his imagination.

BTW, your article displays with weird whitespace and line breaks. I assume it's intentional because you're a gamma faggot, but it's possible your code is as retarded as you are.

Anonymous BGKB June 23, 2016 5:26 PM  

I assume it's intentional because you're a gamma faggot, but it's possible

Snidely don't make the gamma faggot angry you wouldn't like him when he is angry
http://www.the-gutters.com/comic/37-kevin-stokes/

Anonymous Ain June 23, 2016 5:43 PM  

"My beef with Frozen is that it doesn't seem like anything happens."

That may be why I didn't like it. I don't understand all the fuss it got. It also lacked a good villain. Nobody had the power to be a real threat.

Blogger Sheila4g June 23, 2016 5:43 PM  

@115 Randsom Smith: My older son loved "The Rescuers" and "The Rescuers Down Under." Looking back, there's far too much globalist propaganda in both, but they were amusing and adventurous - and far more suitable for boys than most Disney fare. Loved Evenrude the mosquito and the swamp boat.

@124 Anchorman: I remember picking up "The Book of Three" when I was 8 or 9. Started a lifelong love affair with fantasy and Welsh history and folklore. Never saw the Disney movie but heard it was awful.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 23, 2016 5:53 PM  

Ain wrote:[Frozen] also lacked a good villain. Nobody had the power to be a real threat.
I read that originally Elsa was supposed to be the bad guy, and the plot included an army of snow golems marching on Arundel.
Then either feminist regret or the realization that Elsa was the only sympathetic character in the story forced a change. Make the White guy the bad guy!

Anonymous Ain June 23, 2016 6:10 PM  

@134, that sounds likely. It wouldn't have been good for merchandising, thus, the change.

Blogger Bradford Walker June 23, 2016 6:19 PM  

The last two Disney films I saw in the theater were The Force Awakens (a Xmas gift from my sister), and Tron Legacy. The former we've addressed, so I'll talk about the latter a bit.

Legacy was for the audience of the original Tron film, which was a Boys Own Adventure film despite the adult protagonist, and it was very much a film about how the promise the end of the first film held got lost due to a fall to hubris. Flynn the Father failed, and had to be redeemed by Flynn the Son. The one female character of note was clearly secondary to both Flynns, and none of the others merit commentary.

The lack of female presence in Legacy, and the focus on the relationships between Father & Son, Father & Virtual Son, and the resentment of Virtual Son for Father and Real Son, may not be for the ages but it does work well enough. Given how, even at the time of release, Disney was Converged I'm surprised that this wasn't all about Quora.

Then again, it's not getting a follow-up and it's regarded as something of a failure, so if the SJWs messed with it that's likely when and how.

Blogger Krul June 23, 2016 6:36 PM  

@136 - Bradford Walker

I liked Tron Legacy alright. It's clear the creators had genuine love for the original, what with all the subtle references. Bringing back CLU - a very minor character from the opening scene of the first film - as the villain was a great idea/continuity nod.

Legacy isn't great, but it's definitely better than expected and well worth watching. Much like the little known cartoon based on it, Tron Uprising, which has some really good and unique CGI action, and some memorable characters.

Anonymous Avalanche June 23, 2016 6:39 PM  

@1: "I'm also skeptical about how much white people in America want to see movies about native Hawaiians too."

Ah, but there was a study done {eye roll} which showed that -- in commercials, at least -- Whites will buy based on the actual products. Blacks will buy if the commercial shows blacks. Have you not noticed the massive increases in blacks in commercials? We're alllllll bein' manipulated!

Anonymous Dave June 23, 2016 6:40 PM  

I must be the only one who liked "The great Mouse Detective. Vincent Price as the bad guy? Pure Gold

Blogger Avalanche June 23, 2016 6:58 PM  

@51 "To take a trove of customer loyalty and merely throw it in the sewer..."

And who do we know owns and runs Disney -- and has since they began the march through the culture?!

I remember going to the Lion King when it came out with my younger sister (then 39 yrs old...) She came out just spitting nails and cursing Disney for the feminist brainwashing of young girls... (I knew what it was, so I just watched it without comment...) (Of course SHE meant the *anti*-feminist brainwashing! {double-take} "The lionesses subordinating themselves to the lion argh argh argh!" (Well duh --ever studied big-cat biology?!)

Blogger Avalanche June 23, 2016 7:04 PM  

@65 "One day brer Fox and Brer Bear"

Sorry, can't resist a bit of sperging... "brer" is not pronounced "brare" as people often read it. It's "br'ur" -- as in: a contraction of "brother" -- it's Brother Fox and Brother Bear...

Blogger Avalanche June 23, 2016 7:09 PM  

@70 "Why can't Disney make men (particularly dads) act like competent, respectable men, and boys do and learn the things they need to grow into men,"

Because then boys might find a way to ACTUALLY grow up into men! Do you not notice that men no longer appear on ANY TV shows? NO more Humphrey Bogart or Jimmie Stewart or pick your actual grown-up man role-model! Instead you get Dumb and Dumber! And the 'boy' in his late-30s, still living the child's life (toys, play, casual sex, no responsibility) is the new 'model' to aspire to! (And so, both by need and by brainwashing, the girls have to become pseudo-men!And they're REALLY piss-poor at it!) Thus is our civilization destroyed!

Blogger Avalanche June 23, 2016 7:10 PM  

@77 Isn't that the plot of the new Star Wars?

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Anonymous Alice De Goon June 23, 2016 9:30 PM  

I would definitely second (or third?) EMPEROR's NEW GROOVE as Disney's last good movie. It's so superversive, that I'm shocked that Disney even made it. Let's see, a narcissistic protagtonist is raised and ruined by a single mother (Izma). The protagonist meets up with a family man whose wife cooks and cleans and takes pride in her house, the family man teaches the protagonist the value of caring about others more than himself...yeah... how the hell did THIS movie get past the Disney suits? I can only think that if they remade this movie today, Kuzco would be a Princess, Izma would be turned into an eeevil white Conquistador conqueror, Pacha would be a bumbling idiot, and it would be up to his all wise and all knowing wife to teach Princess Kuzco the value of being a strong independent woman who don't need no man. The last scene would have Princess Kuzco in full feather Aztec battle regalia, singlehandedly kicking Cortez' army out of her continent.

I never watched Frozen, but I always thought the story it was based on ("The Snow Queen") had far more opportunity for lesbianism in it. (Namely, in the character of "The Little Robber Girl," who gets extremely buddy buddy with Greta in the Russian cartoon version of the film. Of course, Russians tend to be a bit more demonstrative in their same sex friendships because they don't come from a culture where ALL relationships are sexualized and where people are likely to think that two girls (or boys) holding hands and hugging each other are gay.)

Anonymous Alice De Goon June 23, 2016 9:31 PM  

Sorry, I think I meant to say "Gerda". (Gerda was the name of the sister protagonist in "The Snow Queen," wasn't it?)

Blogger Dire Badger June 23, 2016 11:09 PM  

@35-
http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/03/the-australian-gun-ban-conceit/

Anonymous LastRedoubt June 24, 2016 12:34 AM  

@dc.sunsets

I concur, I enjoy Tangled (especially the nice duet.) The girl is a girl (not a boy in a dress) who is adventurous but requires a weapon to be capable of confrontation, and the guy is nuanced without being near-queer.

The villain is vicious and the supporting characters offer surprises. Good triumphs through self-sacrifice for love.

The guy gets the girl, too.


Liked that movie - and the Villainess singing "mother knows best" not only WASN'T the mother, as noted above, but was a malicious, narcissistic full-blown "mommie dearest" BPD manipulating through the pretense of a twisted and sick perversion of virtue.

RE: Emperor's New Groove - loved that movie, and Yzma was spot-on as jealous, self-centered, and vile. Kronk as the comic relief side-kick for the BAD guy was hilarious.

I too have pitched it to people as "watch this if you love old looney tunes"




@Achilles

I need to rewatch Black Cauldron


@Krul

I liked Tron Legacy alright. It's clear the creators had genuine love for the original, what with all the subtle references. Bringing back CLU - a very minor character from the opening scene of the first film - as the villain was a great idea/continuity nod.

Legacy isn't great, but it's definitely better than expected and well worth watching. Much like the little known cartoon based on it, Tron Uprising, which has some really good and unique CGI action, and some memorable characters.


What Tron Legacy reminded me, more than anything else, was actually David Drake's "Northworld" novels. Specifically, in commentary on those he once stated that much of norse mythos only made sense in the moment.

There are "plot holes" in Legacy, but the situation is so fluid, and changes, and the characters in any moment decide as they should given their natures. Flynn the younger grows up. The father redeems himself.


Anonymous LastRedoubt June 24, 2016 12:35 AM  

By the way, everyone. Thank you - there's a few things I now need to go back and re-watch or reread

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra June 24, 2016 12:47 AM  

Please, Please, listen to Stefan's review on Frozen, he destroys and exposes the digusting horror Frozen IS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wCZPTSo1_U

Blogger John Wright June 24, 2016 7:24 AM  

@150
A less insightful critique of the fantasy story or fairy tale than Stefan dismissing all magic as a metaphor for madness, and Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker as psychotic, cannot be imagined. I assume Stefan is an atheist? Atheists go through life thinking nine tenths of their family,friends, neighbors are drooling psychotics. It is not a stance that lends itself to an acute insight into the nature and appeal of man's deepest elemental dreams and fears.

Blogger tublecane June 24, 2016 2:09 PM  

@151-I agree. He fundamentally misunderstands fantasy, or at least pretends to, and wants to turn it into horror. Then again, he does talk about the many layers of such stories. His psychological/sociological interpretation could be just one of the layers, though he only talks about it and the superficial layer that's obvious to everyone.

You don't have to believe in God to appreciate fantasy, though it helps. Why else would it have such a strong foundation in religion and mythology? Pretending there's more out there than the material world is not evidence of mental illness.

Anonymous Discard June 25, 2016 2:26 AM  

141. Avalanche: Sperge away. I used to tell that story from memory to my Mexican students in literature class. They'd never heard of it, but they loved it. No parents freaking out about the Tar Baby either.

Anonymous Anonymous June 26, 2016 2:52 PM  

Only one small problem with your theory: The "Who is Maui?" video referred to above (titled "US Teaser Trailer") was released a full 8 months after the parallel "Who is Moana?" video focused on the female lead.

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