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Tuesday, June 21, 2016

The inanity of Pink SF/F

It goes well beyond that, of course, but it serves as a useful example. John Wright explains how what he calls "the Twenty Firsters" cripple their own entertainment:
These are basic rule of psychology that everyone knows, or should know, if his brain is not gummed up with political correctness.

Basic rules of storytelling 101: the tale cannot violate the basic rules of psychology 101. (See Mark Twain’s description of Leatherstocking Tales for details.)

The writer can have the characters in odd situations, and, in a superhero yarn, the oddness can involve countless impossible absurdities of time travel, cloning, robots, talking apes, necromancers, mind readers, secret societies, immortals, revenants from the dead, parallel dimensions, millionaire playboys dressed like Robin Hood, and anything else you like: BUT the character’s reaction to these impossible things, no matter how absurdly impossible, must not only be possible, but likely and reasonable for a real human being in the unreal situation, or otherwise the writer shatters the suspension of disbelief.

A man can be a superman with ninescore ninety and nine impossible super powers plus one, but he has to act like a man, and not like a cardboard clockwork robot or a sockpuppet yanked out of his established character to go through a jerky, awkward pantomime to make today’s public service announcement on behalf of politically correct obsessions about problems solved before I was born.

If eccentric billionaire wants to build a supersuit out of dwarf star matter so he can shrink down to atom-size and fight very small crimes, I will buy that and come back for more, bringing my friends with me, and throw money at the writer. But if smoking hot computer genius girl kisses the first kiss, that breaks me out of the spell of the story, and I sit glowering at how unbelievable the writing is.

Women make all the first moves in Twenty Firster mythology, because the simple truth that weak men drive women insane, and insane women make men weak, has simply been ignored.
First, the notion of female pursuit is directly related to the socio-sexual rank of the male writers. To the Gamma, women are inexplicable. They have no idea why the woman abruptly decides to take her clothes off, so anytime you read of an attractive woman, who has hitherto exhibited absolutely no interest in the intelligent protagonist who has been intensely respecting her by showing absolutely no interest in her, suddenly crawling into the sleeping bag of said protagonist, you can be 100 percent certain that the author is a Gamma.

Second, most writers of Pink SF/F, in any format, are not only ignorant, but proudly so. The battle scenes in the most recent episode of A Game of Thrones were so shockingly inept and historically ignorant that I found myself wondering if Kameron Hurley had been hired as the historical consultant.

As one wag put it on Twitter: A cavalry charge? I'd better put my pikes in reserve!

And while I'm at it, I'll refrain from ordering my archers to fire at them as they approach. Then I'll send my infantry in to surround the survivors, so they can't break and run, thereby preventing my cavalry from riding them down and slaughtering them from behind. And when the totally predictable enemy reinforcements arrive just in the nick of time, because I've been busy posturing rather than simply destroying the surrounded enemy, instead of withdrawing my army and retreating to my fortress, I'll just stand around and watch them get entirely wiped out before fleeing by myself.

It was the second-most retarded battle scene I've ever seen, topped only by Faramir leading Gondor's cavalry against a fortified position manned by archers in The Return of the King. I was always curious about what the cavalry was intended to do if they somehow managed to survive the hail of arrows and reach the walls that no horse could possibly climb.

Anyhow, the Twenty Firster inanity goes well beyond psychology, because both logic and history are mysteries to them as well.

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152 Comments:

Anonymous Andrew E. June 21, 2016 2:29 PM  

Wait, something happened on Game of Thrones?

Blogger Alexander June 21, 2016 2:31 PM  

Yes, but even Ramsay had the sense not to equip his forces with red high heels.

Blogger Noah B June 21, 2016 2:33 PM  

This is what happens when computer animation skills outstrip learning and wisdom.

Blogger LibertyPortraits June 21, 2016 2:33 PM  

I noticed the same thing in GoT. What a way to make a perfectly good bad guy fail hard.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2016 2:36 PM  

Good thing you never saw the terrible "Prince Caspian" movie, where High King Peter the Idiot leads a small force against a fortified castle with no battle plan except "Hack at all the people there". He lets his sister, the archer Queen Susan ("the gentle", by the way), run DIRECTLY INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE BATTLE, which is of course exactly the right place for a weak female archer fighting larger male soldiers to be.

Because as everybody knows, your archers are most useful in close quarters combat with soldiers armed with swords and other close range weapons, and not far off and out of sight picking off enemy soldiers one by one from a spot where they can't be reached. Obviously.

Blogger Alexander June 21, 2016 2:36 PM  

@4 Think of it as liberal fantasy porn and it makes sense.

The natives are led by an over-the-top caricature of eeeeeevil and despite all their tough game are actually super incompetent, and lose to the army of dapper foreigners.

Blogger Alexander June 21, 2016 2:39 PM  

@5

The British 'backwards V' became a symbol after the Battle of Agincourt, as a reference to how the British longbowman, prior to firing a volley, charged into the open to poke French footmen in the eyes.

Blogger VD June 21, 2016 2:39 PM  

My favorite part was the way they decided their strategy was to make Ramsay angry. Then Jon Snow gets angry, charges the entire enemy army by himself... and wins the battle!

They aren't even able to make their idiocy consistent in its silliness.

Blogger VD June 21, 2016 2:42 PM  

The British 'backwards V' became a symbol after the Battle of Agincourt, as a reference to how the British longbowman, prior to firing a volley, charged into the open to poke French footmen in the eyes.

No, it did not. That's one of the less credible versions of what is a legend anyhow. The earliest known use was in 1901.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 21, 2016 2:42 PM  

Perusing the book descriptions on low priced & free Kindle fodder, it's amazing how often a deal-breaker shatter of suspension of disbelief is found in the 1st or 2nd sentence.

"X is an adventure that starts when Gwen, the disgraced special agent who was formerly the FBI's most fearsome..."

"When Gloria returns from her reassignment surgery and finds her Seal Team Six commander less than thrilled,..."

When everyone can publish, the haystack only grows. I say this as someone who self-published.

Anonymous Stephen J. June 21, 2016 2:44 PM  

"...topped only by Faramir leading Gondor's cavalry against a fortified position manned by archers in The Return of the King."

To be fair, that's supposed to be a retarded tactic and the audience is supposed to see how and why; the point of the scene is that Denethor has given Faramir an impossible and suicidal order but that Faramir tries to carry it out anyway despite knowing this.

Large-scale melee battles are one of those things I tend to cut filmmakers slack for, as making them visually comprehensible, dramatically interesting and tactically intelligent all at once is extremely difficult; the people with a good grasp of visuals and dramatics don't tend to grasp tactics (nor do most audience members), and people with a good grasp of tactics tend not to have much clue how to visually dramatize the tactics playing out so the audience both understands what is going on and stays emotionally engaged with the characters. The closest one I ever saw was the battle of Gaugamela in the Oliver Stone Alexander, and even that was a little tricky to follow at times.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2016 2:44 PM  

Yes, that's a smart way to use an archer who's a young girl going in head to head close quarters combat with grown men.

Anonymous dh June 21, 2016 2:46 PM  

If you follow the ASOIAF forums on reddit or other fan places, the GoT battle receives high marks for realism and strategy etc.

Certainly I think the directing was good, the battle effects and perspective very well done. But like VD points out, it was a disaster of a battle from the conception, to the fighting, to the retreat, to the reinforcements, etc all.

The whole time I watched I kept thinking how Wun Wun simply needed to pickup a large tree trunk, use that to swat a hole, and then send in wildlings to plug the hole.

A cavalry charge against pikeman is really not a smart idea.

Anonymous Seneca June 21, 2016 2:48 PM  

In the list of stupid fantasy battles, don't forget the battle of the five armies in the Hobbit III. Dwarves cleverly form a line of pikes to meet the orc charge, then the elves who were behind them, drop their bows, draw swords, and jump over the dwarves to attack the orcs rather than doing the sensible thing and simply shooting the orcs as they run to commit suicide on the pike formation. And the music tells us we're supposed to think it heroic.

Anonymous SciVo June 21, 2016 2:49 PM  

@6: When you put it that way, and with Hollywood being what it is, I'd put my money on lambda over gamma.

Anonymous Stephen J. June 21, 2016 2:53 PM  

"A cavalry charge against pikeman is really not a smart idea."

It can pay off if you have good reason to bank on the pikemen not having the experience or the courage to hold their position as the cavalry comes thundering down on them. But that's a meta-tactical decision based on knowing the enemy and his forces beyond their mere position and function, and it's always a gamble.

Anonymous BGKB June 21, 2016 2:58 PM  

Yes, but even Ramsay had the sense not to equip his forces with red high heels.

That's only because they got all muddy that you couldn't see them.

Kindle fodder, it's amazing how often a deal-breaker shatter of suspension of disbelief is found in the 1st or 2nd sentence

I had to tease Kratman that his books are sold by the same people that purvey:

"the story of Kinzel, an inept wizard with a love of cats, a thirst for justice, and a staff of true power"

Blogger Astrosmith June 21, 2016 2:58 PM  

Ironic that earlier in the episode, Jon and Davos looked at Tormund like he was an idiot for not being familiar with battle planning.

Oh, and when the Vale calvary arrived, none of the Bolton pikemen would have turned to face their charge? Please.

So much wrong with that battle...

Blogger Alexander June 21, 2016 2:58 PM  

No, it did not. That's one of the less credible versions of what is a legend anyhow. The earliest known use was in 1901.


Given the military incompetence that spawned the very conversation, I suppose I should have tightened my sarcasm.

Anonymous Slen June 21, 2016 2:59 PM  

#7. "The British 'backwards V' became a symbol after the Battle of Agincourt, as a reference to how the British longbowman, prior to firing a volley, charged into the open to poke French footmen in the eyes."

Yes, but this tactic was brilliantly countered by the French, who deftly placed their right hands, edgewise, vertically in front of there noses. I believe that came to be known as the "Curly Defense."

Blogger tenor_general June 21, 2016 3:00 PM  

The movie's charge of Faramir at Osgiliath has always been one of my pet peeves. Unless the orcs were widely equipped with some form of magical bow, plate armor of the sort depicted in the movie would have saved the knight from most of the long ranged arrow shots, meaning the orcs would have had at most, three or four effective volleys at ranges shorter than they were shown to be firing. Breaking a cavalry charge at full speed tended to require massed volleys, a tactic for which the orcs weren't exactly well organized.

So, in short, a charge against a (in the movie) unwalled city defended by disorganized units or archers (who didn't even have proper longbows), with heavy plate armored cavalry should have at least hit home before being bogged down and slaughtered.

Now, if you use the books' descriptions of armor, maille armored cavalry would get shot to pieces on the approach, but again, at a much closer range than the orcs destroyed the charge in the movies. But that's just my own personal annoyances at the tendency to overplay the effectiveness of archery against armor developed over centuries to blunt the effectiveness of incoming attacks

As for the rest, cavalry against pikes is an excellent idea, provided you've knocked a couple holes in the pike block or have pinned it for a flanking attack by cavalry. However, I long ago came to terms with the fact that most modern writers don't really have a grasp of medieval warfare.

Blogger Krul June 21, 2016 3:01 PM  

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Blogger Krul June 21, 2016 3:01 PM  

"It was the second-most retarded battle scene I've ever seen, topped only by Faramir leading Gondor's cavalry against a fortified position manned by archers in The Return of the King."

The other stupid battle scene from Return of the King has to be up there.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 21, 2016 3:03 PM  

I'm sure the militants of real SciFi will fill this void.

Blogger tenor_general June 21, 2016 3:03 PM  

@18 Maneuvering to face the rear in a tight pike block is pretty difficult, it's why the favored way of dealing with pike blocks was a pike block of your own to pin them, and then cavalry to eat away at their flanks or rear, to weaken their resolve and make them flee back, or to either side. Then you can mop up individual small groups of pikemen unsupported by the rest of the now splintered formation.

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Anonymous Broken Arrow June 21, 2016 3:06 PM  

Apologies to JCW for not making it all of the way through his post but I had read enough. I had wondered if I was missing anything from all of the TV super hero shows and apparently I'm not. So thank you Mr. Wright for taking one for the team and letting us know to avoid the trash.

Blogger Krul June 21, 2016 3:12 PM  

Seneca wrote:In the list of stupid fantasy battles, don't forget the battle of the five armies in the Hobbit III. Dwarves cleverly form a line of pikes to meet the orc charge, then the elves who were behind them, drop their bows, draw swords, and jump over the dwarves to attack the orcs rather than doing the sensible thing and simply shooting the orcs as they run to commit suicide on the pike formation. And the music tells us we're supposed to think it heroic.

I just can't get over the fact that the orcs had the sandworms from Dune and didn't use them to swallow up the other armies. It would have taken like five minutes to end the battle. HISHE

Anonymous JamesV June 21, 2016 3:17 PM  

In 99% of the movies with a romantic aspect the girl makes the first move. I had that happen to me in real life more than once so I assumed that the reason it wasn't happening more is because I wasn't desirable. I finally learned that in real life it doesn't work that way and realized the only reason it happened as much as it did is because I had inadvertently displayed some aspect of game that caused those women to be attracted to me.

Blogger Alexander June 21, 2016 3:19 PM  

The moment I knew I was going to enjoy Throne of Bones was during the first battle, and if I recall correctly it's being narrated through Corvus, things he's seeing and noting about his troops... legions are very disciplined, the auxiliaries are doing fine, siege weapons fire just shy of friendly fire in order to allow the legion to rotate the front line, excellent, excellent...

And then he looks to the flank and the cavalry are going pigshit nuts for who knows what and in my head I pictured the perfect wtf-face. I laughed. I proceeded to enjoy the story.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab June 21, 2016 3:20 PM  

Recurved war arrows not just once but many times in a story with the requisite descriptions. Beyond stupid.

Blogger Krul June 21, 2016 3:24 PM  

bears repeating

"Basic rule of male female psychology 101 is that if the girl makes the first move, the guy loses interest immediately, whereas if the girl starts and pulls away, starts and pulls away, it pulls the guy after.

These are basic rule of psychology that everyone knows, or should know, if his brain is not gummed up with political correctness."
- John C Wright

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 21, 2016 3:26 PM  

Hah! I feel your pain about the inanity of combat scenes.

As someone who has 6 years of training in European longsword and 5 years of training in Korean sword arts, watching and reading about swordfights in movies and novels brings out mass quantities of nerd rage.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx June 21, 2016 3:27 PM  

"Weak men drive women insane, and insane women make men weak." - John C. Wright

Our resident master wordsmith gone done it again. That could be a bumper sticker, a tweet, a headline, a book title.
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Blogger Brian S June 21, 2016 3:36 PM  

was thinking about things that bother me with the GoT series last night... Am I correct in thinking that every male patriarch is dead now? What's left of the protagonist characters are, a failed assassin, Jesus, and the Dragon Lady (who's about as interesting as a romance novel). I really liked this series when I started reading it about 12 years ago or whatever, but I'm left feeling disinterested, yet compelled to finish it, a lot like the Wheel of Time series.

Blogger tublecane June 21, 2016 3:38 PM  

@8-Their strategy was to get Ramsey to come out and attack them, and making him angry at the parley was only a tiny part of that. Jon Snow challenged him to single combat not because it was his strategy to make Ramsey angry, but because the show wanted to remind us that Jon is noble and Ramsey is not.

Jon making the mistake he wanted Ramsey to make was supposed to be ironic. And though we've seen Jon be a good commander and make good decisions, it's not exactly out of character for him to be stupidly heroic. More importantly, Jon losing his cool was supposed to prove Sansa right, I think. She was adamant about Ramsey being tricky, even though she couldn't be specific. Which didn't work very well, dramatically. It's not as if Jon didn't see the trap coming. He didn't need his half-sister to tell him not to attempt suicide. Anyway, Game of Thrones is into Grrl Power!, and Jon had to go full retard for Sansa to be justified.

By the way, the worst thing about the episode was not the ridiculous tactics. Nor was it the fact that they repeated the cheap trick from Season Two whereby a whole other army the show hinted at but kept deliberately hidden from us shows up to save the day. (Come to think of it, that was orchestrated by Little Finger, too.) It's the fact that Sansa didn't inform Jon that Little Finger was on the way, or at least that his showing up was a possibility. That's borderline treasonous.

They made such a big deal out of the fact that Jon felt he had to attack with inferior numbers, in enemy territory (sort of, though the Starks lay claim to the North and Sansa is a Stark), against an enemy with a defensible stronghold, because "winter is coming," they have no shelter, and presumably they can't supply themselves for long. All this, and Sansa is counseling patience. Why? Don't you think it might be wise to inform your army that a whole, other, friendly (?) army might be arriving any day now? Jon could have waited the hours it took for Little Finger to arrive, and it could've saved thousands of lives, potentially.

Not that Sansa trusts Little Finger. But why not let Jon in on it, at least? Instead of, you know, letting him march into likely doom.

Blogger tublecane June 21, 2016 3:42 PM  

@8-Oh, and it's not inconsistent for them to have won anyway. It took an outside miracle for things to work out. Which is bad writing, but for a different reason.

Blogger Brian S June 21, 2016 3:42 PM  

http://i.imgur.com/4UfDw3a.jpg?1

Blogger CM June 21, 2016 3:44 PM  

If you follow the ASOIAF forums on reddit or other fan places, the GoT battle receives high marks for realism and strategy etc.

I read that the cinematography was excellent imagery and the scene with Jon being trampled was well done in capturing the chaos and disorientation of battle.

I typically ignore battle sequences because they are so easy to screw up unless you are wargaming it (most writers today likely don't); often to illustrate high skill to one, they make the other suicidal in incompetence which i attribute to lack of imagination (lots of scenes in Korra like this); and, if the author does get strat right, I don't know enough to know.

Blogger tublecane June 21, 2016 3:45 PM  

@18-It's not that he didn't know battle planning; he apparently hadn't even heard the words "flank" or "pincer" before.

Blogger tublecane June 21, 2016 3:49 PM  

@38-Forget wargames. Why not just steal from an actual battle? The T use real people and events when this one marries that, for instance; I don't see why battle have to be original. Last episode could've been Cannae with a surprise ending.

Blogger T macWeave June 21, 2016 3:52 PM  

Always feed the doggies, always.

Blogger VD June 21, 2016 3:55 PM  

"Basic rule of male female psychology 101 is that if the girl makes the first move, the guy loses interest immediately, whereas if the girl starts and pulls away, starts and pulls away, it pulls the guy after.

Actually, this is generally incorrect. It only applies to less attractive women trying to score higher rank men. It completely ignores the most important aspect, which is how attractive the woman is.

No one is suddenly going to lose interest in Adriana Lima because she asked him out.

Blogger jaericho June 21, 2016 3:55 PM  

Rikon not zig-zagging is right up there with that "Alien" movie Prometheus. https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/06/13

Blogger VD June 21, 2016 4:01 PM  

Last episode could've been Cannae with a surprise ending.

I thought that was what they were setting up for during the planning talk. Although I did enjoy one bit of dialogue.

Sansa: Don't you think you should ask me about Ramsay? I know him?

Jon: Okay, sorry, what do you think he's going to do?

Sansa: How should I know?

That was funny.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr June 21, 2016 4:01 PM  

The film version of the Battle of the Pelennor Fields had a bunch of problems. In the book, the Rohirrim made a good flanking/rear attack. In the film...well, giving the Orcs time to get a pike defense set up is NOT a good idea.

Anonymous Gecko June 21, 2016 4:08 PM  

It was the second-most retarded battle scene I've ever seen, topped only by Faramir leading Gondor's cavalry against a fortified position manned by archers in The Return of the King.

I see you skipped Prince Caspian. You're a wise man.

Blogger John Wright June 21, 2016 4:14 PM  

" So thank you Mr. Wright for taking one for the team and letting us know to avoid the trash."

The problem is that these are not bad shows being ruined, but well written shows with good acting and special effects,better than anything that was on tv in my youth (aside from TWILIGHT ZONE) and they are ruined by this PC garbage.

My complaint is not about a fly in the soup. It is about a really big stinky fly in really tasty, delicious soup.

Anonymous Faceless June 21, 2016 4:16 PM  

I feel the worse for having tried to search this and seen the number of fawning statements, such as that we're supposed to gather that "war is confusion" from some effete liberal at the Grauniad because "nobody knows what they're doing and they're just killing".

GRRM doesn't even understand what the role of an NCO would be in this sort of battle. Form up the ranks, men!

They presented some video with a guy standing around in the middle of some sort of failed cavalry charge as the greatest thing ever, yet it's all deus ex machina - if arrows are coming in, and horses are riding past, sure, let's not have a helmet, and let's stand there screaming and looking cool trying to run some guy through over and over again.

It's an odd world view that would answer the question, "How did Napoleon, Gustavus Adolphus, Henry V, or Edward the Black Prince win those battles?" with, "Just luck." But, I mean, when you believe in nothing, you'll believe anything.

You'd think that he could have consumed a lot of cheetos watching Peter Weller explain how ancient and medieval battles worked and committed some of that to paper.

Blogger VD June 21, 2016 4:16 PM  

In the film...well, giving the Orcs time to get a pike defense set up is NOT a good idea.

But, but, they were riding DOWNHILL! You can't defeat cavalry riding down the hill.

Anonymous BGKB June 21, 2016 4:16 PM  

It's the fact that Sansa didn't inform Jon that Little Finger was on the way, or at least that his showing up was a possibility. That's borderline treasonous

Its realistic, if he invited her to the war meeting she would have shared it but being a woman she played petty games. How many women would let a thousand men die for an "I told you so"?

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Anonymous cheddarman June 21, 2016 4:20 PM  

All the battle scene seems to be lacking is a few good Monty Pythonesque lines.

Anonymous Gecko June 21, 2016 4:44 PM  

malcolmthecynic wrote:Good thing you never saw the terrible "Prince Caspian" movie, where High King Peter the Idiot leads a small force against a fortified castle with no battle plan except "Hack at all the people there".

I thought the assault on Aslan's How was even more cringe worthy. Despite the fact that the film had repeatedly crapped all over the book by that point, it still made me twitch.

Blogger Noah B June 21, 2016 4:47 PM  

The dialogue between Sansa and Jon was pretty hilarious: "I don't know what he's going to do, but he wants you to make a mistake so he can beat you!" Thanks sis, glad I left von Clausewitz at home for this one.

For a moment near the end, when Jon Snow's archers had Ramsay cornered, and Ramsay accepted the earlier challenge to single combat, I thought the storyline might be redeemed with Jon ordering all of his archers to let loose at once. But no, that part was lame and predictable too.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx June 21, 2016 4:48 PM  

John Wright wrote:"

My complaint is not about a fly in the soup. It is about a really big stinky fly in really tasty, delicious soup.


"Waiter, there's a stinky fly in my soup!"

"But of course Monsieur, it is stinky-fly soup.

Blogger Noah B June 21, 2016 4:51 PM  

All the battle scene seems to be lacking is a few good Monty Pythonesque lines.

And now, let us pray that this most holy relic bequeathed by Saint Barrett will end this battle decisively.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis June 21, 2016 4:52 PM  

@35 especially considering that it was Sansa who was so gung-ho about taking the fight to Ramsey in the first place. I mean, I get Sansa not telling Jon from a character development standpoint showing Sansa becoming more like little finger and a complete 180 from her previous self. Jon's actions don't make any sense, given what he has gone through, witness, and suffered for rash action in the past, he should have been far more cautious than the show portrayed him.

Blogger Alexander June 21, 2016 4:53 PM  

Maybe this will spawn a whole new genre of treads at VP, wherein Vox combines Pink Media and ASL to give us Military Battle in the Cultural Wars: where they went wrong.

Blogger John Williams June 21, 2016 5:16 PM  

They aren't even able to make their idiocy consistent in its silliness.
The whole taunting tactic and realistic personal responses are discussed, in detail, in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Anonymous Stephen J. June 21, 2016 5:19 PM  

"And now, let us pray that this most holy relic bequeathed by Saint Barrett will end this battle decisively."

Three shall be the number of the counting,
and the number of the counting shall be three.
Thou shalt not count to four,
neither shalt thou count to two
unless thou then passeth it on thy way to three.
Five is right out.

Blogger John Wright June 21, 2016 5:21 PM  

@33
"Our resident master wordsmith gone done it again. That could be a bumper sticker, a tweet, a headline, a book title."

Thanks, but the credit belongs to someone else. I stole that line. I forget from whom. Writers are thieves. Good writers are masterthieves. People like Tolstoy, Tolkien, and Homer are like the Napoleons of Crime of Words.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 21, 2016 5:28 PM  

VD wrote:But, but, they were riding DOWNHILL! You can't defeat cavalry riding down the hill.
Damn Peter Jackson. In the Two Towers, Gandalf leading Eomer's Eored down a very steep scree slope into a pike wall at full gallop. Not even using their lances, but sabres.

Sabres. Against a pike wall.

Ruins the movie for me every damn time.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 21, 2016 5:56 PM  

@47 John Wright

The problem is that these are not bad shows being ruined, but well written shows with good acting and special effects,better than anything that was on tv in my youth (aside from TWILIGHT ZONE) and they are ruined by this PC garbage.

My complaint is not about a fly in the soup. It is about a really big stinky fly in really tasty, delicious soup.
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I was trying to stay out of this.

These newer shows started out with Arrow.
It was actually pretty good in the first season.
The fight scene choreography is great in the show.

Season two was still pretty awesome, but we had the introduction of serious Grrl power. Sara was still a cool character. But then, they had to add in the twist that she was a lesbian. For no real reason. Other than SJW.

Season three - it really starts to lose it. Now they push Felicity, who was a kind of cute quirky it nerd, into the ultimate female. All of a sudden Arrow can't beat a single guy, whereas in season one he was taking them out by the dozens. Nobody can figure anything out now, unless Felicity does it for them.

This last season the bad guy was a really good actor. But the supposed heroes of the show now have their balls in the pocketbooks of Smoak.

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Flash - spun off from Arrow. well, this one attempts to be fun and light hearted. But from the get-go, they decide to make Iris a black woman. And then they make it where Barry loses his mom, and is raised along with Iris. So when they push this weird romance angle, it's not only a white guy/ black girl, but it's almost like a brother-sister thing. Very awkward, irritating, and creepy.

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Legends of Tomorrow - a spinoff of the above shows, using secondary characters. The reason I gave up on this one - one of the episodes starts off in the 1950's in a diner. And we have to listen to the progs whining about how terrible and white it all is. I could see the one black character (firestorm) being worried about it, but being lectured by the hip lesbian is just way to SJW.

These are some of the really big stinking flies in the soup.

The soup itself is actually quite good if you have the ability to block SJW stupidity. I'm afraid Arrow has about achieved SJW Convergence. Flash might have a couple seasons left. I sadly gave up on Legends of Tomorrow, and I love the whole thing with Vandal Savage. But I can't do this crap anymore.

Not sure if you ever watched the Star Gate series. SG1 had some proto-SJWish in it, mostly feminism, but was a good show. Atlantis, the same. But when SGU came out, it was like *ssholes in space. Couldn't even watch past the first episode.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 21, 2016 6:24 PM  

In 99% of the movies with a romantic aspect the girl makes the first move. I had that happen to me in real life more than once so I assumed that the reason it wasn't happening more is because I wasn't desirable. I finally learned that in real life it doesn't work that way and realized the only reason it happened as much as it did is because I had inadvertently displayed some aspect of game that caused those women to be attracted to me.

@JamesV
I imagine the most common "aspect of game" you demonstrated was a very genuine lack of attraction to them.

And I'll also add that women who make the first move are usually badly off in the head.

Gamma writers, whether of books or movie scripts, are pumping anti-game into our men's minds, and it's a huge problem.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 21, 2016 6:37 PM  

@62 Isn't it funny that SGU was the one that hired Scalzi as a scientific advisor?

Blogger maniacprovost June 21, 2016 6:39 PM  

The old BBC Narnia films were great. And those were the last Narnia films ever made. None followed later. Nope. Not one.

Blogger weka June 21, 2016 6:44 PM  

Tolkien served in WW1 and had seen his fair share of suicidal orders.

Blogger OldFan June 21, 2016 7:05 PM  

For the record, none of the Riders of Rohan actually had lances - their long weapon was a 6' spear, apparently made to be thrown. The Orcs had no pikes, of course - they may have been called that, but they were barely 5' long. And it was obvious that the Orcs in the front ranks were thoroughly shaken by the charge before it slammed into them.

The flaws of the other battles in the LoTR movies are, sadly, derived from Tolkien's flaws as well: he greatly overvalued individual heroism and undervalued professionalism in all of his battles. Notice that the Men of the West are brave leaders who stand in the van but there is no Great General (a la Belasarius, Bobby Lee, or Lord Kalvan) anywhere.

As for females making the first romantic move, this is nothing more than a deliberate attempt to obliterate any differences in psychology between men and women. Apparently, girls can now fight and come on strong. Something in the water perhaps . . .

Blogger Pseudotsuga June 21, 2016 7:13 PM  

@67: Uh, those weren't Tolkien's flaws... he was writing a heroic epic, so he was using heroic tropes from Germanic myth and legend. Siegfried, Sigurd and Beowulf, not to mention the less legendary figures from the Norse Sagas, with the high culture of the Matter of Britain, all are the background that produced Aragorn son of Arathorn, Boromir, Faramir, Theoden and Eomer.
I would also say that Tolkien did not undervalue professionalism-- nearly everybody apart from the Hobbits are professional warriors.
The train is fine, but one can't simply ride the train into Mordor...

Anonymous Trimegistus June 21, 2016 7:16 PM  

It seems to be a general rule of cinema and TV that only the bad guys are allowed to use reasonable tactics. Good guys are required to be really stupid on the battlefield.

If history ran by movie rules, the stalemate in Flanders during WWI should have been broken by Marshal Foch yelling "He's mine!" then drawing his sword and fighting Ludendorff in single combat atop a flaming zeppelin.

Blogger stevo June 21, 2016 7:26 PM  

There's a Hobbit III?

Blogger stevo June 21, 2016 7:32 PM  

There's a Hobbit III?

Anonymous Steve June 21, 2016 7:40 PM  

Trimegistus - If history ran by movie rules, the stalemate in Flanders during WWI should have been broken by Marshal Foch yelling "He's mine!" then drawing his sword and fighting Ludendorff in single combat atop a flaming zeppelin.

A++ Would Watch The Netflix Original version.

Foch would be played by Christopher Lambert while Michael Ironside would chew up the scenery as the dastardly Prussian.

Blogger Nate June 21, 2016 7:48 PM  

"topped only by Faramir leading Gondor's cavalry against a fortified position manned by archers in The Return of the King. I was always curious about what the cavalry was intended to do if they somehow managed to survive the hail of arrows and reach the walls that no horse could possibly climb. "

It was a recreation of the Charge of the Light Brigade.

They knew they had no chance. They did it because they were ordered to do it.

Anonymous BGKB June 21, 2016 7:50 PM  

This last season the bad guy was a really good actor. But the supposed heroes of the show now have their balls in the pocketbooks of Smoak

You forgot the literal Magic Gay Genius Negro- Mr Fantastic who is more butch than his white boyfriend, who saved the company with his battery invention. You also missed SuperCoalBurnerGirl where a blond girl under 400lbs has trouble getting a black boyfriend, or maybe kryptonians are super dense/heavy.

If history ran by movie rules, the stalemate in Flanders during WWI should have been broken by Marshal Foch yelling "He's mine!" then drawing his sword and fighting Ludendorff in single combat atop a flaming zeppelin.

I am pretty sure it would sell better if they were fighting over a woman instead of a man.

Anonymous WaterBoy June 21, 2016 7:59 PM  

Alexander: "Maybe this will spawn a whole new genre of treads at VP, wherein Vox combines Pink Media and ASL to give us Military Battle in the Cultural Wars: where they went wrong."

Maybe those analyses can also be integrated with Wargaming in the Classroom.

Anonymous Godfrey June 21, 2016 8:14 PM  

Ten things I hate in literature and television:

(1) Shooting someone with a handgun at 30 plus yards (sometimes even on the run)
(2) Skinny Victoria Secret looking models easily beating up several 6'5" 220 pound men
(3) Token happy homosexual (obviously now a requirement to get published or televised)
(4) The bad guy is usually - if not always - a white male (often a businessman)
(5) Government on the other hand is seldom the bad guy
(6) Characters never seem to run out of ammunition
(7) Women characters who suddenly rip of their clothes and have sex with the protagonist (naturally their always, always beautiful)
(8) Women characters that act like men (usually they're commanding officers who can... see #2 above)
(9) Characters that continually escape certain death over and over again
(10) An absurdly stupid antagonist

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau June 21, 2016 8:15 PM  

According to John Keegan, horses have an issue running headfirst into iron and pull up short every time.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau June 21, 2016 8:17 PM  

@76 (4) businessman or clergy

Blogger CM June 21, 2016 8:20 PM  

Is there a wargaming homeschool curriculum appropriate for elementary students?

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau June 21, 2016 8:21 PM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius June 21, 2016 8:25 PM  

To the Gamma, women are inexplicable. They have no idea why the woman abruptly decides to take her clothes off, so anytime you read of an attractive woman, who has hitherto exhibited absolutely no interest in the intelligent protagonist who has been intensely respecting her by showing absolutely no interest in her, suddenly crawling into the sleeping bag of said protagonist, you can be 100 percent certain that the author is a Gamma.

Doubtless the Hot Girl was won over by the hero's stumbling confession of TRUE LOVE.

She immediately dumps the good looking but ultimately unworthy Alpha for Joe Nebish.

In real life a confession of True Love "is an extinction level event."

I honestly feel this is one Hollywood's cruelest lies.

Blogger Michael Maier June 21, 2016 8:30 PM  

All the super-hero shoes are PC shit. I finally lost patience and stopped watching them all.

And they were literally the only original TV shows I was watching on a regular basis.

Now it's all MLB, NHL and NFL.

I think I'd rather watch CNN over the constant negro / homo-fests that infest both the DC & Marvel TV shows.

Blogger Michael Maier June 21, 2016 8:40 PM  

"To the Gamma, women are inexplicable. They have no idea why the woman abruptly decides to take her clothes off, so anytime you read of an attractive woman, who has hitherto exhibited absolutely no interest in the intelligent protagonist who has been intensely respecting her by showing absolutely no interest in her, suddenly crawling into the sleeping bag of said protagonist, you can be 100 percent certain that the author is a Gamma."

Like in the first Monster Hunter?

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 21, 2016 8:42 PM  

What's even more hilarious is when a gamma writer tries to depict a pickup artist at work in film .

Scene one: A night club. Lots of thump-a-dump club music playing.

PUA spots Hot Girl.

Hot Girl sees PUA looking at her.

PUA continues to stare at girl. Thump-a-dump music swells in volume.

Scene Two: There is no Scene Two. Something akin to black magic has clearly and obviously been going on during this non-existent scene. Wherein the PUA uses word-spells of erotic to conjuring to trick the girl into being aroused by him. The writer doesn't have a clue how such a thing is even possible so they just skip to...

Scene Thee: PUA and the Girl are naked in bed writhing, naked in bed.

(*When in actuality he would have scarred her off in Scene One because he was staring at her waaaaay too long to not be creepy*)

There was a time and not all that long ago when writer's actually understood things like Picking Up Girls.

This bit of dialog is from the 1954 movie, Secret of the Incas. It starred Charelton Heston and it's the movie George Lucas completely ripped off to make Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Dude's wife: Is guiding people fun?

Harry: It depends where they want to go.

Dude's wife: I don't want to miss anything.

Harry: I'll see what I can do.

Dude: Oh, my! I'm feeling quite winded and little sick.

Harry: We're two miles mile above sea level we have to take it slow and easy.

Dude's wife: That's the way I like it. Where will you be if we suddenly need you?

Harry: Right outside your door.

Dude's wife: Wonderful service.

Harry: I've never had any complaints.

Dude's wife: Darling when we get to the hotel I think you should take a long nap.


They don't make them like that anymore because they can't.

Anonymous Rolf June 21, 2016 8:50 PM  

Maybe that's why it took (and takes) me so long to write. I try to game out logical responses by adversaries and characters. The first hot gal the hero runs into, who I planned on making his love-interest, was a hot, smart, educated gal. But I looked at the situation and said "Self, there is NO WAY this hottie would go for an out of work teacher. Not a chance." So he makes a sold try for her, but it's pure swing-and-miss. Second gal is also skeptical, but more interested as she see he's got some skills and some money, but still not sold on the deal, and ends of going for the big, buff soldier-dude. I had to write in a new, originally unplanned character, who WOULD find him attractive from her perspective as someone familiar with the Ship AI (who likes and respects Helton). The three pairings that wrapped up the book made psychological sense.

Same thing with the original story arc - the plan was to get them into the successful cargo-hauling and smuggling biz, but blowing up a planet sort of makes a ship a little to high-profile to do that, so the sequel had to be radically altered in theme, substance, and events.

Watching movies now is an exercise in frustration... "That's stupid! Why would that supposedly smart person do something so idiotic?"

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 21, 2016 8:51 PM  

The two best battle scenes that come immediately to my mind are...

(1.) the Battle of Gaugamela in Oliver Stone's Alexander.

The rest of the film both blew and sucked but that drug addled Communist really sweated the details on that one. He got pretty much everything right.

(2) A more recent film, Fury.

That tank battle scene indeed and truly gave me the shakes.

The guy that did the sound design got it pitch perfect. The noise that a round makes when it ricochets off a tank is distinct and they got it right. I was up half the night after watching that one.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 21, 2016 8:53 PM  

@83. Michael Maier

Afraid so.

That is pretty much how all of Larry's hero's deal with women.

Anonymous Alice De Goon June 21, 2016 9:17 PM  

Today's SJW-ridden shows serve the same purpose today that stained glass windows served in 12th C. cathedrals: to give the faithful a vision of the perfect Heaven - a place of eternal justice and harmony; a vision of the world not as it is, but as it should be. But while medieval Europeans were intelligent enough to know that Heaven is a place unattainable in a fallen world, today's SJWs believe fervently with all of their hearts that if they keep making shows that echo their Equalist view of the world, that somehow, magically, like a voodoo practitioner chanting over a bone, they will cause their progressive utopia to become a reality.

This is why, in a show set in Liberal Clown World Heaven, a 90 pound woman can berate her heavily muscled 240 pound boyfriend for trying to protect her in a dangerous situation, and said boyfriend will kneel contritely. This tells the audience of gamma males and blue-haired feminists watching the show that the boyfriend is a safe character. That, despite his ownership of one (1) Oppressive Penis, he will resist the urge to rape and bully his girlfriend, an urge that all men naturally have by default.

In Utopian Clown World Heaven, men never initiate romance or kiss a girl, unless they've clearly stated their intention beforehand and have signed a form (in triplicate) which they've had authorized by a notary public. To do otherwise would be Rape.

In Liberal Clown World Heaven, women are never anything less than 8th level jiu jitsu ninja karate masters, and even those without formal training can take a shoe and knock out a 300-lb bruiser with a single blow.

In Liberal Clown World Heaven, women are never allowed to be kidnapped, even if they'd be able to turn the kidnapping to their advantage by sweet talking the villain into revealing his plans and then escaping. To show a female having even the slightest setback would be akin to burning all women alive at the stake and taking away their right to vote simultaneously.
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Anonymous Alice De Goon June 21, 2016 9:18 PM  

<===(continued from first post)

In Liberal Clown World Heaven, even the past must be white-wa.... I mean, Enlightened People of Color-Washed. That's why, in Liberal Clown World Heaven, Sherwood Forest is swarming with Africans. Because if people in medieval Europe had ONLY realized how wonderful and magical Diversity is, they would have embraced it wholeheartedly, inviting every citizen of the Gold Coast onto their Emerald shores. The Crusades would not have been a campaign to rid the Holy Lands of Muslims, but instead a recruitment drive, inviting thousands of Son of Allah to the English countryside to do the jobs that impoverished English peasants wouldn't do.

In Liberal Clown World Heaven, the father from Father Knows Best would come home to find that Princess had joined a lesbian biker gang and was now currently scissoring with the gang leader on the living room floor in front of a roaring fireplace. The father might be angry about this at first, but all it would take is a chinwag and a shared beer with the gang leader, and the father would be giving both her and his daughter his blessing. Love wins!

In Liberal Clown World Heaven, fulfilling one's immediate personal desires is the highest and most enlightened act that a person can commit, and it never results in any negative consequences for anyone. The only people who are punished long term in Liberal Clown World Heaven are the Captain Bringdowns and eeeevil white supremacist Republicans who meanly insist on clinging onto outdated morals and practices. (Because apparently, oppressing minorities is an extremely profitable business for villains in Liberal Clown World Heaven.)

SJWs push Clown World Heaven Prayers into their work with the zeal of a Cthulu cultist, believing that if they only shoehorn one more interracial gay couple into Moby Dick, the spell will work at last and they'll wake up in Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek post-scarcity paradise.

And this is why I haven't watched Network or Cable TV in 8 years. Not because I think it's beneath me. (I see plenty of vintage shows on YouTube, much of it pretty lowbrow stuff,) but because I'm not willing to burn a pinch of incense to SJW Caesar just to receive the quality entertainment that I desire.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2016 9:22 PM  

@82

Try "Daredevil". Depending on your taste you might have an issue with Elektra, but overall it's easily the least SJW superhero show out there. Really outstanding.

Blogger S1AL June 21, 2016 9:47 PM  

"Like in the first Monster Hunter?"

I know some of you get off on attacking Larry for that scene, but no, not even close. It doesn't even slightly fit the description Vox gave.

Blogger Lovekraft June 21, 2016 9:48 PM  

Did someone mention Cthulhu? Ftagn!

The most mind-blowing movie I have seen in recent years, well above any Hollywood moneygrab, is "Beyond the Black Rainbow". Set in 1983, it is stark, atmospheric and new wave-ish.

The scene "The Incident in 1966" where we see Barry's rebirth will stick in your mind for a long time.

Anonymous Hapax Legomenon June 21, 2016 9:59 PM  

@76

I recently re-watched the newer Daniel Craig James Bond films (Ion marathon) and noticed several violations of the new SJW rules.

"Token happy homosexual (obviously now a requirement to get published or televised)"

Javier Bardem does a great quasi-homo villain in Skyfall. And he'd not a business, he's a disaffected spy.


"(5) Government on the other hand is seldom the bad guy"

This is also violated in the newer Bond flicks ... where the MI6 h.q. is blown up at one point and it is clear that its leaders will betray an operative at the drop of a hat.

Also, recent Marvel movies have portrayed the government (SHIELD in particular) as not to be trusted. Thus the "civil war" that ensues over the superhero registration act. We saw a foreshadowing of this is an earlier X-Men movie with the Mutant Registration Act.

Anonymous SciVo June 21, 2016 10:01 PM  

On the subject of gammas, Atheists in Gamma Hell (about Elevatorgate) is relevant again because Richard Carrier got banned from Skepticon for being creepy. Ah the schadenfreude when SJWs cannibalize their own.

Anonymous BGKB June 21, 2016 10:03 PM  

Shooting someone with a handgun at 30 plus yards

400 meter shot with an M&P 9mm pistol by champion shooter, Jerry Miculek! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK0EdI_RluY

There was a news story of a guy who killed a mestizo, who was shooting at cops, from over 100' away using a handgun but it would be hard to look up. I have covered gun ranges as an army medic and wanted to throw rocks at the pistol targets of those that kept missing so I could pack up.

All the super-hero shoes are PC shit.

If the first issue of Captain African America had to have gays in it, it shouldn't have been him marching in a gay pride parade but stopping moslems from throwing gays off buildings in Iraq.

OT: All you guys in CA be ready with some shelf stable food/water, ammo and flashlights
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/blackout-california-in-power-grid-emergency-all-customers-should-expect-14-days-without-power_06202016

In April, millions of electric customers in Southern California were warned they could suffer power outages on up to 14 days this summer due to the closure.

Blogger Michael Maier June 21, 2016 10:07 PM  

RE: MHI: Yeah, I know... It's not entirely fair. But it's not THAT far off.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 21, 2016 10:22 PM  

@69 Trimegistus

If history ran by movie rules, the stalemate in Flanders during WWI should have been broken by Marshal Foch yelling "He's mine!" then drawing his sword and fighting Ludendorff in single combat atop a flaming zeppelin.
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If you want some awesome flaming zeppelin battles, check out the ILoH Grimnoire series

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 21, 2016 10:23 PM  

"Writers are thieves"
Truer words have never been spoken.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 21, 2016 10:28 PM  

@74 BGKB

You forgot the literal Magic Gay Genius Negro- Mr Fantastic who is more butch than his white boyfriend, who saved the company with his battery invention. You also missed SuperCoalBurnerGirl where a blond girl under 400lbs has trouble getting a black boyfriend, or maybe kryptonians are super dense/heavy.
---

It's even worse, did you realize that the magic gay negro is actually supposed to be Miracle Man?

I never attempted to watch Supergirl, there are way too many supergirls in Arrow, Flash and LOT.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 21, 2016 10:40 PM  

@90 malcolmthecynic

Try "Daredevil". Depending on your taste you might have an issue with Elektra, but overall it's easily the least SJW superhero show out there. Really outstanding.
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I heard that one was really good, but haven't seen it.

Forgot that I have been watching, and enjoying, Gotham.
It does have at 3 three psycho super girls, but they kind of fit the show. That would be Fish, Galavans sister, and Barbara. Oh yeah, and the Chibi Catgirl.

Anonymous BGKB June 21, 2016 10:52 PM  

magic gay negro is actually supposed to be Miracle Man?

I knew he was supposed to be a black genius science magic guy I guess I got the names mixed up. Miracle man the black guy smarter than Coco the gorilla.

Could be worse he might be dating a guy that wears this http://www.thedailysheeple.com/hillary-campaigns-new-30-rainbow-pantsuit-t-shirt-sucks-as-much-as-the-last-pantsuit-t-shirt_062016
Hillary Campaign’s New $30 Rainbow Pantsuit T-Shirt

They really shoehorned the Flasher's gay boss into the story. Barry Allen looks too good to be a male mudshark, the only ones I have seen in real life must have encountered every tree in the ugly Forrest.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 21, 2016 10:54 PM  

Yep, the old Male Mudshark is a kind of new development. Seen in Flash, and Sleepy Hollow.

Blogger Nate June 21, 2016 10:56 PM  

"Shooting someone with a handgun at 30 plus yards"

At 30 yards my wife can put a nice small 3 hole triangle on your forehead.

At 50 yards I can bang head shots all day.

Blogger Marie June 21, 2016 11:03 PM  

"No one is suddenly going to lose interest in Adriana Lima because she asked him out."

Ha! Interesting. I wasn't taught this rule as a way of keeping the man's attention.

My mother always told me I needed to let the boy ask me out otherwise they would never keep me happy. She was adamant that men needed to assert themselves and asking a woman out was the first step.

The girl's job was to let the boy know she was interested by being flirty and charming. It was the boys job to win the day. Yeah....my mom was not PC.

I broke the rule once and regretted it the minute our date started. It was obvious if we continued to date I would be calling all the shots. Mom was right.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2016 11:08 PM  

The new Captain America films have been outstandingly non-SJW. They've managed the tricky and difficult balance of figuring out how a superhero could remain Captain America when the government that represents his nation is corrupt and self-serving - and ultimately the conclusion is that he can't.

And yet, none of it feels insulting, or like a betrayal of his principles. The Russo Brothers crafted two expertly written and assembled works.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 21, 2016 11:11 PM  

I'm going to tell you all right now: There are exceptions, of course, probably with the greater betas, alphas, and sigmas, but the normal guy - and I mean really normal, not a pathetic gamma or gamma-sympathetic delta - gives no shits if a woman asks him out. In fact, he'll be thrilled about it: It means a woman was interested enough in him to make the first move, and how rare is that.

Seriously. They don't care. They're actually happy about it. Trust me, this is definitely the case.

Anonymous map June 21, 2016 11:17 PM  

The Avengers and Captain America movies are outstanding. It is incredible that Disney's corporate culture allowed something like that to be made...total guy movies with guys doing cool shit.

It seems they are trying to atone for Marvel's Manliness by turning Star Wars into a live-action equivalent of a Disney princess movie.

Blogger Sir Thermite June 21, 2016 11:27 PM  

The way that Sansa goaded Jon into fighting as she pridefully refused reinforcements from Littlefinger (who for all his faults still has shrewdness and wisdom)...only to later whine to Jon about his willingness to fight despite a shortage of troops and informed strategy, like it was all his idea (and this despite Jon convincing every surviving northman to fight for them)...and then stand on the sidelines and watch as Jon and all the other men fighting for her nearly get slaughtered by her ex-husband without anyone but her knowing there's a hope in hell...well, George Rape Rape Martin definitely knows how to write women.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 21, 2016 11:43 PM  

malcolmthecynic wrote:but the normal guy - and I mean really normal, not a pathetic gamma or gamma-sympathetic delta - gives no shits if a woman asks him out. In fact, he'll be thrilled about it: It means a woman was interested enough in him to make the first move, and how rare is that.



Depending. of course, on the values assigned to "normal guy", "woman" and "Asks him out"

anything femal or declaring itself female expresses interest in a pathetic gamma, absolutely

Cute girl says to otherwise unattached guy "take me now" probably

Purple-haired SJW hosebeast wants a free dinner and movie from an alpha, sigma or high beta? Oh, hell no.

A woman pursuing a guy is demonstrating her desperation. Just like weakness is an immediate turn-off for women, aggressiveness and desperation is an immediate turn off to most men, especially if he's tasted the crazy before.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 21, 2016 11:51 PM  

103. Nate June 21, 2016 10:56 PM
"Shooting someone with a handgun at 30 plus yards"

"{At 30 yards my wife can put a nice small 3 hole triangle on your forehead."
I don't doubt the Good Doctor can't make it happen, God bless that dear womsan.

At 50 yards I can bang head shots all day.
You would hope so. I'S only 150 feet, you know that, correct ?

Blogger The Other Robot June 21, 2016 11:55 PM  

Then there is the woman who wants to have as many rights as a gun does.

Anonymous Tyrs Disciple June 21, 2016 11:59 PM  

If WoW copies the events of GoT I will not be reading it.

Anonymous R. J. MOORE II June 22, 2016 12:09 AM  

I've long suspected that (((Hollywood)))'s 'suspension of disbelief' mantra is an excuse for shitty plots aimed at ignorant, stupid people that don't know better.

Anonymous R. J. Moore II June 22, 2016 12:14 AM  

Re: Comics, Jonathan Bowden saw that much of the Romance tale and even religion had been sublimated into pulps. Also, Captain America should realise WW2 was full retard - that's Woke.

Blogger weka June 22, 2016 12:20 AM  

The best supermovie of last year was Guardians of the Galaxy. The best of this year will be Suicide Squad.

Because they are not iconic, the SJWs don't try to own them as hard. And Harley Quinn had an overdose of the red pill.

Blogger weka June 22, 2016 12:26 AM  

And the very best movie of last year was Kingsman. Which contained a neat solution for SJWs.

Implants.

https://vimeo.com/127275913

Blogger residentMoron June 22, 2016 12:36 AM  

From episode 4 (iirc) the sword play between Ned Stark and Jaime Lannister was one of the best such scenes on film, not necessarily realistic but just brilliantly choreographed and beautifully filmed, to this irretrievably idiotic mess.

As someone noted above, all the men are dead. John Snow is destined to be revealed as Dead King Robert's bastard and becone Darnerys' bitch "uniting the seven kingdoms" to fight the highlanders. Sansa, Queen in the North. Reek's Slut Sister with Poinnty Accessories to be Queen of the Iron Islands, of a whole nation of rievers, rapists and murderers.

Even i can see a pattern developing.

The SJWs don't want to discuss it, but that pattern is the real reason they love this shit.

Women ruin everything.

Blogger Dire Badger June 22, 2016 12:42 AM  

I can bang head shots all day long with my .22 target longbarrel, even a target pellet pistol can sharpshoot at 30 yards.
But I wouldn't even try 10 yards with a Walther PPK.

Model matters.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 22, 2016 1:21 AM  

Purple-haired SJW hosebeast wants a free dinner and movie from an alpha, sigma or high beta? Oh, hell no.

No argument. Run for the hills. I'm talking the cute girl - maybe a 6, 6.5, with variations depending on your "type" - asking a guy out. The average delta says yes.

OpenID malcolmthecynic June 22, 2016 1:23 AM  

Purple-haired SJW hosebeast wants a free dinner and movie from an alpha, sigma or high beta? Oh, hell no.

No argument. Run for the hills. I'm talking the cute girl - maybe a 6, 6.5, with variations depending on your "type" - asking a guy out. The average delta says yes.

Blogger Johnny June 22, 2016 1:52 AM  

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Blogger Marc DuQuesne June 22, 2016 1:59 AM  

Jon Snow is obviously a big fan of WOW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dA9eUP85s

Blogger rho June 22, 2016 2:00 AM  

Nate wrote:"Shooting someone with a handgun at 30 plus yards"

At 30 yards my wife can put a nice small 3 hole triangle on your forehead.

At 50 yards I can bang head shots all day.



With a bench rest? Or no?

I'd be interested in seeing this.

Blogger Austin Ballast June 22, 2016 2:13 AM  

@79 CM,

Is there a wargaming homeschool curriculum appropriate for elementary students?

Decision Games mentioned some things about using their games for homeschooling at BGG.CON Spring. I talked with them briefly about it and they noted it was a new effort. Their folio series might be worth some review.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx June 22, 2016 2:20 AM  

John Wright wrote:@33

"Our resident master wordsmith gone done it again. That could be a bumper sticker, a tweet, a headline, a book title."

Thanks, but the credit belongs to someone else. I stole that line. I forget from whom. Writers are thieves. Good writers are masterthieves. People like Tolstoy, Tolkien, and Homer are like the Napoleons of Crime of Words.



Well, it's a real purdy essay anyways. Sure be a shame if something happened to it.

Blogger tublecane June 22, 2016 2:36 AM  

By the way, is Jon Snow a demigod now? Not only did he rise from the dead, but he withstood a 1,000+-man cavalry charge, from two directions, on foot, and apparently is impervious to arrows.

Blogger rho June 22, 2016 3:04 AM  

tublecane wrote:By the way, is Jon Snow a demigod now? Not only did he rise from the dead, but he withstood a 1,000+-man cavalry charge, from two directions, on foot, and apparently is impervious to arrows.

150 feet range by handgun.

Blogger Magson June 22, 2016 3:05 AM  

map wrote:The Avengers and Captain America movies are outstanding. It is incredible that Disney's corporate culture allowed something like that to be made...total guy movies with guys doing cool shit.

It seems they are trying to atone for Marvel's Manliness by turning Star Wars into a live-action equivalent of a Disney princess movie.


Sadly, this comedy sketch from 2 years ago is turning out to be all too prescient: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UgpggCueHE

Blogger Galahad78 June 22, 2016 4:22 AM  

Although it was obviously a charade from the military point of view (Jon Loser Snow blindly charging alone against Ramsey, which is exactly what the last wanted? What a bright Lord Commander...) I enjoyed very much the battle in the last episode of Game of Thrones, because...it is a show. I do not expect accurate reflection of aprox. Middle Age life and death in a fantasy story, just like it to be believable.

Anonymous Smith Ohlrig June 22, 2016 5:31 AM  

A cop in Austin took out a shooter at 100+ yards with a S&W .40 in 2014.

The shooter was supposedly affiliated with the Phineas Priesthood.

Blogger Nate June 22, 2016 7:49 AM  

"You would hope so. I'S only 150 feet, you know that, correct ?"

You know we're talking about shooting CCW pistols right?

Blogger Nate June 22, 2016 7:51 AM  

"I'd be interested in seeing this."

That's not what you would be interested in.

You would be interested in the 100 yard beer can shot.

With a Makarov.

Blogger Nate June 22, 2016 7:53 AM  

"But I wouldn't even try 10 yards with a Walther PPK.

Model matters."

The wife shoots a glock 36. I was talking about standard carry weapons. In my case a steyr m40a1.

But witah your PPK I could stretch the distance out considerably. PPKs are crazy accurate.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker June 22, 2016 7:55 AM  

@88: "Today's SJWs believe fervently with all of their hearts that if they keep making shows that echo their Equalist view of the world, that somehow, magically, like a voodoo practitioner chanting over a bone, they will cause their progressive utopia to become a reality."

I don't know about you, but my life goes much better when I don't view it as a Hollywood production with "moi" as the star and everybody else as "props."

Blogger Johnny June 22, 2016 8:19 AM  

Pistols are accurate weapons, most of them, but much harder to shoot accurately than a long barreled weapon with a stock. In real life at distance most people will miss with a pistol. Which produces my gripe with the movie industry, the good guy pistol shooter who routinely outshoots the bad guy rifle shooter even at range.

Blogger S1AL June 22, 2016 9:14 AM  

"The best supermovie of last year was Guardians of the Galaxy. The best of this year will be Suicide Squad."

Clearly you have not seen Civil War.

Blogger Noah B June 22, 2016 9:20 AM  

In my experience pistols have a range at which their accuracy suddenly diminishes quickly. I've shot .380 pistols that are crazy accurate at 10-15 yards, but even at 25 yards the group opens up drastically. With a Glock model 17 that happens around 70 yards, and with a standard pattern 1911 I have never seen one that wasn't still reasonable accurate at 100 yards.

Was on the range once with a SWAT guy who experienced this for the first time when he was trying to hit a target at 100 yards with his MP5. He'd never attempted a shot that far with that weapon and was stunned at how huge his groups were.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 22, 2016 9:37 AM  

" Blogger CM June 21, 2016 8:20 PM
Is there a wargaming homeschool curriculum appropriate for elementary students?"


Design your own combat game. Make it all dice rolls and basic math. No maps, no minatures, no movement, just two combatants slugging it out.

Give each combatant two stats, health and armor. Roll up the stats using whatever die you want, d6, d8, d10..., use one or more rolls for each stat.

For example, make all stats two six-sided die rolls, meaning each stat will vary from 2 to 12.

Now for the rules. More dice rolling.

Each side rolls a die to decide who goes first, high roll wins.

The attack roll will be same as rolling a stat, two d6. If the roll is less than the opponents armor it does no damage. If it is higher than the armor then the difference is how much damage is done to the opponent's health.

Repeat for the opponent. Then continue to trade turns until one side loses all health. Winner being side with health left.

Like I said above, Design your own combat game. After you've run through a few combats with that first set of rules begin varying the rules by doing things like changing die size or number of die, or maybe going to simultaneous turns, or giving each opponent the option to not attack for a round but getting extra dice to roll on the next turn..... You can start modeling opportunity cost at a very low level.

After the kids get a grasp of probability start using movement rules which means maps, map counters and ranged combat. You can also start getting into abstractions, like one map counter respresenting more than one person or vehicle or keeping track of in-game time with each turn.

Wargames are models of reality, the more fidelity you add the more complex the rules, the more arduous simulation and the longer it takes.

Have fun. Remember, you don't have to buy boxed games to play a wargame. You can use sticks in the dirt or pencil and paper and get just as complex as any boxed wargame.

Anonymous BGKB June 22, 2016 10:15 AM  

a standard pattern 1911 I have never seen one that wasn't still reasonable accurate at 100 yards

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/06/josh-wayner/is-uncle-sam-set-to-melt-civilian-marksmanship-program-1911-pistols/

There is a petition to stop it but I couldn't find it.

Anonymous SciVo June 22, 2016 10:41 AM  

Noah B wrote:In my experience pistols have a range at which their accuracy suddenly diminishes quickly.

Does it correspond to muzzle velocity?

Blogger Johnny June 22, 2016 11:07 AM  

>>Does it correspond to muzzle velocity?

Could be wrong but I think with the right munition and the right pistol they are accurate at distance. The problems are: They are harder to hold steady. The sights (if iron) are closer together. They kick harder when fired, inviting flinch on the part of the shooter, plus how you hold it makes a difference because it changes the aim of the bullet before it is out of the barrel.

Lower velocity is not inherently inaccurate, but it complicates the aim because the bullet will drop more at a distance.

Blogger flyingtiger June 22, 2016 11:14 AM  

:#62
You are on target with the arrow series. The only highlight this season was the witty one liners from Lt. Buck Compton. The series emphasizes that his training and experience from 5 years on the island turned him into a fighting machine. Yet his sister and girlfriend can become series fighters with minimum training. The appeal may not be about girl power so much as putting babes in skintight outfits.
They also need to get rid of the flashbacks to the island. There have been so many visitors. Next season I expect Gilligan and the skipper or even the Harlem globetrotters.

Blogger Johnny June 22, 2016 11:18 AM  

I like the female warrior thing when it is done on a fantasy level because it is easier to suspend disbelief. When it is done on an everyday level, the female squad member in a cops and robbers or whatever, then it makes me a little crazy. It becomes SJW stuff. Preaching a doctrine.

Blogger Noah B June 22, 2016 12:12 PM  

"Does it correspond to muzzle velocity?"

Not directly. .45ACP typically has a lower muzzle velocity than 9mm. .45ACP performs the best of all pistol cartridges I have fired at 100+ yards. (However, I haven't done this with .357 Magnum, .41 Magnum, & other heavier magnum cartridges).

In the transition from supersonic to subsonic flight, a projectile experiences unstable aerodynamics that tend to disrupt its flight path. So the maximum accurate range of a supersonic projectile is approximately the range at which it will slow to the sound barrier. This may explain some of the problems I've experienced with 9mm at range, which all involved projectiles that were initially supersonic. I anticipate that 147 grain 9mm, which are initially subsonic, will be more accurate at range but I haven't had a chance to test this.

The real mystery to me is why the .380's I have tested lose accuracy so suddenly. The muzzle velocity on these was definitely subsonic. My guess at this point is that the twist rate on the .380's I've tested is only marginally adequate to stabilize the bullets.

Anyway, if you have a .40, .45, or something comparable, test it at range if you haven't already and I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised with how easy it is to deliver accurate fire.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 22, 2016 12:37 PM  

I'm going to tell you all right now: There are exceptions, of course, probably with the greater betas, alphas, and sigmas, but the normal guy - and I mean really normal, not a pathetic gamma or gamma-sympathetic delta - gives no shits if a woman asks him out. In fact, he'll be thrilled about it: It means a woman was interested enough in him to make the first move, and how rare is that.

Seriously. They don't care. They're actually happy about it. Trust me, this is definitely the case.


@106 malcolmthecynic
Problem is, with rare exceptions, deltas or gammas get asked out by women whom they're not attracted to. That's why they got asked in the first place: the women think they are cool and higher-rank than they are, rather than just plain not attracted.

There are very good reasons men are meant to approach.

Blogger CM June 22, 2016 5:02 PM  

Thanks for the response, Athor

Blogger CM June 22, 2016 5:09 PM  

Not only did he rise from the dead, but he withstood a 1,000+-man cavalry charge, from two directions, on foot, and apparently is impervious to arrows.

I kinda understood the scene as Jon being alive because the gods wanted him alive. Essentially, Jon surviving sentimental stupidity is because of a supernatural miracle.

Anonymous Avalanche June 22, 2016 5:56 PM  

@61. And anyone knowing horses would know half of them would flat-out refuse to try a hill that insanely steep; and any dumb, or pushed, enough to try it would end up tripping and falling and crushing.... It may have been intended to look AH-mazing -- but to a rider, it just looked stupid and insane!

Anonymous Avalanche June 22, 2016 5:59 PM  

@67 " Apparently, girls can now fight and come on strong. Something in the water perhaps..."

Yeah. "Recycled" birth control pills and xanax. Drink deep, dearies! {frown}

Blogger Desiderius June 23, 2016 12:51 AM  

"Damn Peter Jackson. In the Two Towers, Gandalf leading Eomer's Eored down a very steep scree slope into a pike wall at full gallop. Not even using their lances, but sabres."

Nah, Gandalf's white light blinded the orcs into dropping their pikes/fleeing the onslaught. Two Towers was the best of the three.

Anything concerning Denethor in Return was an unmitigated disaster though.

Blogger Unknown June 24, 2016 1:09 PM  

I'm curious if the source material is actually as poorly conceived as the on screen adaptation?

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