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Thursday, June 30, 2016

The mask comes off

Remember, the EU proponents always swore up and down that it was not a political project. Of course, as some of us always knew, they lied. Now they're not even bothering to pretend otherwise anymore, as in reaction to Brexit, two foreign ministers propose eliminating all the other national member-states before any other nations are able to escape globalist rule.
The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”. Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.

Controversially member states would also lose what few controls they have left over their own borders, including the procedure for admitting and relocating refugees.  The plot has sparked fury and panic in Poland - a traditional ally of Britain in the fight against federalism - after being leaked to Polish news channel TVP Info.

The public broadcaster reported the bombshell proposal would be presented to a meeting of the Visegrad group of countries - made up of Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia - by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

In the preamble to the text the two ministers write: "Our countries share a common destiny and a common set of values that give rise to an even closer union between our citizens. We will therefore strive for a political union in Europe and invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture."

The revelations come just days after Britain shook the Brussels establishment by voting to leave the European Union in a move some have predicted could leave to the break-up of the EU.

A number of member states are deeply unhappy about the creeping federalism of the European project with anti-EU sentiments running high in eastern Europe, Scandinavia and France.
I can't think of anything that will bring about Fixit and Frexit and Nexit, and any number of additional exits faster, than the EU doubling down on political integration. It's prodigiously stupid in any event; it could not be more obvious that economic integration has completely failed. But, as we know, SJWs always double down, and apparently there is no amount of failure and democratic rejection that will even slow down the globalists in their mad grasp for international power.

I have never been more certain that the EU will collapse, hopefully sooner rather than later. Socionomics always predicted the EU's failure to be inevitable, but now we're actually beginning to see it happen.

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127 Comments:

Blogger Shimshon June 30, 2016 6:17 AM  

There's nothing "creeping" about.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr June 30, 2016 6:28 AM  

This could get ugly. Withdrawal provisions notwithstanding, there's a nonzero chance of a secession war breaking out. Somebody is going to get stuck with the EU's bills.

The smart thing would be to flush and restructure into a free trade zone, but there's no cushy jobs or power in that. Just peace.

OpenID paworldandtimes June 30, 2016 6:29 AM  

Never Again allow Germany to reunify.

PA

Anonymous aeou June 30, 2016 6:34 AM  

Are they fucking retarded? The nationalists are already on the rise all over. This just gives them stronger wind in the sails.

Anonymous Aaron June 30, 2016 6:36 AM  

Everyone always doubles down. You always double down. I've never seen you concede any point at any time anywhere.

When your enemies do it, it's this pathetic gamma move, when you do it, it's "alpha".

I guess this is genius "rhetoric" according to the highest Aristotlian standards.

While I despise the EU and wish it to fail like you, pushing through their agenda in an even more ruthless and uncompromising way is the best tactic they have to deal with a moment of weakness, as I am sure you know as you do similar things.

Yes, it might lead to an implosion of the eu, but when dealt a setback, bluster and bravado often regains you momentum, as again, I'm sure you know, as it's part of your lessons in rhetoric.

Anonymous 5343 June 30, 2016 6:39 AM  

Aaron wrote:Everyone always doubles down. You always double down. I've never seen you concede any point at any time anywhere.


This is patently untrue. How often do you read here?

Blogger Human Animal June 30, 2016 6:41 AM  

I guess they figure they're heading for a weaker position, so it's now or never. Maybe they're trying to project confidence?

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 30, 2016 6:44 AM  

5343 wrote:Aaron wrote:Everyone always doubles down. You always double down. I've never seen you concede any point at any time anywhere.



This is patently untrue. How often do you read here?


If it's Aaron the File 770'er, he's an SJW. What are the first and third laws of SJWs?

Anonymous Rawle Nyanzi June 30, 2016 6:53 AM  

So Scotland wants to vote for independence from the UK...only to be merged into a European superstate.

Maybe that wasn't Scotland's intent, but it's interesting to see how they'll proceed.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 30, 2016 6:56 AM  

Never Again allow Germany to reunify.

Hadn't really thought about it in that light. This plan allows Germany to reunite with all of the ethnic Teutsch without all that tedious warfare business.

For that matter it pretty much gets back all of the territory that Hitler picked up in 1940. Sole exception will be anything with a Russian border on it.

I doubt if the Russians are going to be unparanoid about this Eurotopia.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 30, 2016 6:58 AM  

Also if it is him, I suspect he is still smarting about being schooled in tactics and strategy. He is now trying to show us how he really does know strategy.

The problem is he is wrong yet again. Maintaining confidence in your objective is not the same thing as doing exactly what everyone has been accusing you of secretly planning. Taking a step back, regrouping and reformulating is the right strategy in this scenario.

He still hasn't learned that retreat does not equal permanent failure.

Blogger Shimshon June 30, 2016 6:58 AM  

Seriously, Aaron has to be a troll.

Blogger synp June 30, 2016 6:58 AM  

Rawle Nyanzi wrote:So Scotland wants to vote for independence from the UK...only to be merged into a European superstate.
Scotland doesn't want to vote. In a survey only 40% of Scots wanted such a vote, while 47% were against it (this is following the Brexit vote). So some politician in Scotland said they want a vote. Maybe they'll still get it, but the results of such a vote are not a foregone conclusion.

Anonymous Big Bill June 30, 2016 7:02 AM  

As many have pointed out, Europe is following the same path as the USA.

We can expect the same "Civil War" and brutal mass slaughter in the near future.

Some European state will decide to peaceably withdraw from the EU treaty, and, (like the states of the Confederacy) find that it no longer has that choice.

I have found the ideal EU Civil War song:

”The Union forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah!

Down with the traitors, up with the stars;

While we rally 'round the flag, boys, rally once again;

Shouting the battle cry of 'Europe'"

--Battle Cry of Freedom

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 30, 2016 7:06 AM  

@9. Rawle Nyanzi

So Scotland wants to vote for independence from the UK...only to be merged into a European superstate.

Maybe that wasn't Scotland's intent, but it's interesting to see how they'll proceed.


I'm not sure they will. The EU politely told them they have enough welfare queens on the books at the moment. If they need more they'll call.

To be more accurate, the Scots were told if they go independent from an independent Britain they will have to apply as a new member-state, which Brussels now guarantee will take years.

The Scots couldn't use the Euro in the meantime. And the English are not going to let them use the Pound if they spin off.

Consequently the Scots would have to create their own temporary currency that no one would have any faith or confidence in. This is bad news if you wish to implement a ruinous economic/fiscal policy right out of the gate, which they would.

Blogger Lazarus June 30, 2016 7:17 AM  

Rawle Nyanzi wrote:So Scotland wants to vote for independence from the UK...only to be merged into a European superstate.

Maybe that wasn't Scotland's intent, but it's interesting to see how they'll proceed.
I

If the EU allows that, it will be interesting to see how Catalonia and the Basques want to proceed.

I don't think Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy thinks dealing with Scotland separately is a good idea.

Blogger Doom June 30, 2016 7:18 AM  

If all that is true, and I'll bite that apple for now... it looks more like they are actively trying to kill the EU than save it. Now, that is a feminine reaction... a woman in power... be it mother, boss, or political figure... would lean that way. Not sure what it is with dames, but they definitely aren't sweet and nice filled with sugar in spice. And SJW is to the left which is the feminine. So... I guess. Still? I'm extremely exuberant at their plan, and hope they drop the metal to the pedal on it. I WANT to see European countries choose sovereignty and freedom (as much as may be had). Some, perhaps many, will stay and become neutered dying fish, as countries go... until the EU finally just closes Brussels, turns out the lights, and goes... wherever.

Those, and there will probably be a good handful, who leave, will do well. More so if Trump joins the club. A new NATO, though without us as their bully boy... they'll have to have their own militaries, by the numbers. EU states will have to be excluded... they are, essentially, an attempt at the next USSR. The Russia seems to still be in the running and is less pansy about it.

I'm excited. I loved it when a women put her foot down. Sure, I'll go. I always liked her sister better, or one of her girlfriends, or else likewise, just didn't get to her first... fate changes things. *wink*

Anonymous Big Bill June 30, 2016 7:28 AM  

@12: Aaron may be a troll, I don't know. But his comment is clearly not a troll. He is right.

Britain has challenged the Supreme Authority of Europe. Unless the remaining members of the EU sense a powerful ruling hand from the top, they will scatter.

Lincoln did not convene a Peace Summit to woo the Southern states back after Fort Sumter. He attacked. He doubled down. The Civil War was a continental "double down"

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 30, 2016 7:38 AM  

Big Bill wrote:@12: Aaron may be a troll, I don't know. But his comment is clearly not a troll. He is right.

Britain has challenged the Supreme Authority of Europe. Unless the remaining members of the EU sense a powerful ruling hand from the top, they will scatter.

Lincoln did not convene a Peace Summit to woo the Southern states back after Fort Sumter. He attacked. He doubled down. The Civil War was a continental "double down"


Not the same situation. The threat of war vs the proposal that you give up sovereignty willingly are two different things. One is a request the other is a demand backed by force.

Anonymous Chico and the Man June 30, 2016 7:39 AM  

Couldn't have said it any better.

Instead of slavery it will be anti-immigration as the post hoc justification: "Everyone knew how racist they were: they had to be killed" writes the future tenured academic. Have a different opinion on the matter? You must also be a racist.

Anonymous Icicle June 30, 2016 7:41 AM  

Are they fucking retarded?

Yes.

Blogger Nick S June 30, 2016 7:47 AM  

This is something I would expect to come from the mind of a woman scorned. Hmmm...

Anonymous Chico and the Man June 30, 2016 7:47 AM  

Yours is a distinction without a difference. As if honest abe didnt ask sothron states to give up willingly by proposing things like shipping blacks back to Africa etc. before marching troops into Maryland and Kentucky and sending warships down the coast.

It's always a threat of force. The leaders of Poland understand that in a way you apparently do not.

Blogger VD June 30, 2016 7:52 AM  

Everyone always doubles down. You always double down. I've never seen you concede any point at any time anywhere.

You're an absolute and utter liar, Aaron. I never double down. When shown to be wrong, I always admit it, and I don't hesitate to change my position.

How do you explain that I, a former advocate of free trade, have been publicly debating various champions of free trade in the professional economics community, if I never concede any point at any time?

I suppose the reason you have never seen me concede any point is because you, and the rest of the SJWs in science fiction, have never made a single point that requires any concession on my part.

When your enemies do it, it's this pathetic gamma move, when you do it, it's "alpha".

I don't do it at all, because I'm neither a gamma male nor an SJW. I seldom hesitate to concede a point, as every longtime reader here can attest.

Blogger Lazarus June 30, 2016 7:55 AM  

Big Bill wrote:Aaron may be a troll, I don't know. But his comment is clearly not a troll. He is right.




VD on Aaron, from the blog post
Gamma stalker fail

Aaron doesn't make me grumpy in the slightest. I find his determination, shared by a few similarly stupid File 770 headcases, to stake his reputation on my being wrong every single time in all circumstances, to be downright funny. It is always a pleasure to see one's expectations met so reliably.

Blogger VD June 30, 2016 7:57 AM  

While I despise the EU and wish it to fail like you, pushing through their agenda in an even more ruthless and uncompromising way is the best tactic they have to deal with a moment of weakness, as I am sure you know as you do similar things.

I don't think so in this case, because they are not dealing from a fundamental position of strength, but from weakness. They have absolutely no ability to impose their will, which makes this a very risky bluff on their part.

My thought is that they are running the risk because they fear either AfD or Front National will take power soon, so this may be their last chance to even make such a bluff.

Blogger Caladan June 30, 2016 7:58 AM  

It was obvious from the very start that political integration would necessarily follow both economic and legal integration.

It baffles me that we stopped at merely separating church and state while ignoring the need for a separation of economy and state.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 30, 2016 7:59 AM  

Chico and the Man wrote:Yours is a distinction without a difference. As if honest abe didnt ask sothron states to give up willingly by proposing things like shipping blacks back to Africa etc. before marching troops into Maryland and Kentucky and sending warships down the coast.

It's always a threat of force. The leaders of Poland understand that in a way you apparently do not.


You apparently don't understand that Abe had an army with which to wage war. The EU does not currently. It is asking for permission to be able to create one. The only country that would consider lending it any number of troops and supplies is Germany and I doubt the German people have any stomach for making war on it's neighbors. Not everything relates to the US civil war.

Blogger VD June 30, 2016 8:00 AM  

Seriously, Aaron has to be a troll.

No, he's a wounded gamma. They can't ever put anything behind them or resist the urge to lash back, usually in a nonsensical manner, at the earliest opportunity. See: Camestros Felapton. This is normal gamma behavior.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 30, 2016 8:07 AM  

The article uses the term "federalism". There is nothing "federal" about the EU. It's like the way Hamilton and Madison sought to form a national government with veto powers over the state legislatures then intentionally mislabeled their plan as being "federal".

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2016 8:08 AM  

> I can't think of anything that will bring about Fixit and Frexit and Nexit, and any number of additional exits faster, than the EU doubling down on political integration.

The best thing about Brexit is that it's forced their hand and caused them to move early. In another 20 years they might have been able to get away with this.

But that seems to be true of leftist everywhere. Here in the US we have them pushing for gay marriage and transgenderism down everyone's throat. It's almost as if the sense their time to act is short.

Blogger VD June 30, 2016 8:10 AM  

It's almost as if the sense their time to act is short.

It is. This is their Weimar. Winter is coming.

Blogger JACIII June 30, 2016 8:15 AM  

Big Bill wrote:@12: Aaron may be a troll, I don't know. But his comment is clearly not a troll. He is right.

Britain has challenged the Supreme Authority of Europe. Unless the remaining members of the EU sense a powerful ruling hand from the top, they will scatter.

Lincoln did not convene a Peace Summit to woo the Southern states back after Fort Sumter. He attacked. He doubled down. The Civil War was a continental "double down"


A more apt analogy to AmHis would be the secession from the Articles of Confederation. Yes, I know it said "perpetual union", but enough power had not yet been concentrated to enforce perpetuity as with the EU.
I expect to see everyone leave like rats off a sinking ship, but this proposal may be the EU trying to recast itself from 1781 to 1860 without the wait. The next EU will be the truly bloody one. Think it will use its new immagrants like the 1860 US did to enforce its rule? Why else are they there?

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2016 8:20 AM  

> It baffles me that we stopped at merely separating church and state while ignoring the need for a separation of economy and state.

Our founders never envisioned a federal government with enough power to significantly affect the economy. That fact alone tells you how far from the original vision we've strayed.

Anonymous Steveo June 30, 2016 8:26 AM  

Brussels stupid... it burns... It's a now or never thing for the EU at this point. But they went public with that crap? Back door promises, big ones baby, like 72 virgins or something, and then arm breaking... that was the ticket.

Can you imagine what a proud England with strong borders (massive deportations) and a growing economy would look like to the other member slaves? It would be like a full Walmart in Caracas right about now man.

Blogger Shimshon June 30, 2016 8:27 AM  

What's up with Boris? Did he decline to run because of skeletons? He certainly seems to have backtracked since Brexit won.

Blogger Shimshon June 30, 2016 8:28 AM  

@29 Vox, thanks for the clarification.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 30, 2016 8:32 AM  

@34 What are your thoughts on Hamilton and his national bank?

Blogger Earl June 30, 2016 8:40 AM  

"Teh American Civil War was fought over teh slabery."

"Teh Europen Civil War wuz fought over teh equaliteez."

Anonymous a_peraspera June 30, 2016 8:43 AM  

"We...invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture."


What does he mean by the "next" Europeans? The brown/muslim ones that are replacing the current Europeans?

Anonymous FrankNorman June 30, 2016 8:59 AM  

Regarding the EU leadership's lack of ability to enforce their demands... didn't some American leftist or other say something along the lines of "strength isn't only what you have, it's what the enemy thinks you have".

And Sun Tzu taught "When weak, appear strong".

In other words, they are bluffing.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau June 30, 2016 9:01 AM  

I think the Elites in Europe believe Paris is worth a Hadj. A United Europe under the Caliphate.

Anonymous BGKB June 30, 2016 9:03 AM  

They really can't help themselves. If they could have just held off on importing the 3rd world they could have slowly boiled the frog. The echo chambers don't have a single voice of reason in them.

I'm not sure they will. The EU politely told them they have enough welfare queens on the books at the moment.

They are importing them hand over fist from the 3rd world, even more expensive than whites that know how to use a toilet.

But they went public with that crap? It was leaked by a nation least likely to agree to it. But Vladimir Bukovsky said he saw documents in the USSR that this was always the plan.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865

OT: Whiteish couple charged with child abuse when cocaine found in baby's system, what about prosecuting crack baby moms or drug testing with taxpayer paid prenatal care? https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-tv-reporters-indicted-child-234547718.html

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 30, 2016 9:06 AM  

I am curious (from a clinical perspective) about what a pan Euro-Military would look like.

Pros: It would be well and uniformly equipped.

That was one of the biggest headaches of the Coldwar. The Warsaw Pact was for the most part uniformly equipped (yes, I know about the exceptions, don't be that guy).

NATO was (and is) a complete hodge-podge of non-interchangeable parts. It would have made wartime supply chains a nightmare. So it would solve that at least.

Cons: Where to start?

The thing that most people (EU Commissioners chiefly amongst them apparently) don't get is that a military is the product of the base culture that produces it.

Is your culture high trust or low trust?

Is it detail oriented?

Does it like weird for the sake of weird (looking at you France)?

Do you go with a draft or is to be all volunteer?

What language will you use? (We know English is out)

Do you try to preserve regimental traditions of long standing unit? (Won't be that easy once you have a unified command and staff)

From a cultural standpoint alone this aspect of the project is doomed from the start.

Blogger Salt June 30, 2016 9:07 AM  

Brexit forced their hand. The cliff approaches faster now.

Blogger CM June 30, 2016 9:17 AM  

I understand that at some point, the people WILL submit to a One World Government.

I wonder how the detractors would be convinced.

Blogger CarpeOro June 30, 2016 9:23 AM  

"We will therefore strive for a political union in Europe and invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture."

Is it a translation issue/me not getting the intent or is this an appeal to all of the "refugees" and migrants to join in so they can be citizens of the New Europe?

Anonymous andon June 30, 2016 9:24 AM  

40. Anonymous a_peraspera June 30, 2016 8:43 AM
"We...invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture."

What does he mean by the "next" Europeans? The brown/muslim ones that are replacing the current Europeans?


I thought that was interesting too. its like the mestizo invaders here, who have been told to think of themselves as something like the "New Generation"? iirc - because whiteys getting getting old I guess. its like a way to give themselves permission

Anonymous Philipp June 30, 2016 9:28 AM  

For those Americans or US citizens among you who compare the situation in the EU now with Lincoln deciding not to let the South leave:

Lincoln was the president of a nation. He was the commander-in-chief. His citizens were willing to fight, die and kill in order to keep the American nation together (for better or worse).

There is nobody in the EU who is willing to fight, kill and die to keep it together. The EU is an artificial construct by the elites. Its flag stands for nothing. It has no common history, tradition, language and heritage. If the UK and other member states leave, there will be no war, for the simple reason that there is nobody who would go fighting on the EU's behalf. People do not want to fight, kill and die for the EU. They might very well prepared to do it for their nation.

You see the difference?

Blogger darrenl June 30, 2016 9:31 AM  

This must be a joke. If it isn't a joke, this is mind numbingly stupid. Giving Germany that kind of military power? I wouldn't trust them with a boy scout troop.

Blogger David The Good June 30, 2016 9:35 AM  

CM: "I understand that at some point, the people WILL submit to a One World Government."

It's reasonable to assume those prophecies may have been regarding the Roman Empire and are not a future doom.

Blogger darrenl June 30, 2016 9:37 AM  

This must be a joke. If it isn't a joke, this is mind numbingly stupid. Giving Germany that kind of military power? I wouldn't trust them with a boy scout troop.

Blogger Alexander June 30, 2016 9:39 AM  

There is nobody in the EU who is willing to fight, kill and die to keep it together.

For that expressed purpose, no. But I'd wager there is a group willing to fight and kill to keep the EU and its associated gimmedats.

Said group would be overwhelmingly young, male, and have absolutely no attachments or empathy with the native populations, no loyalty to national governments, and no concerns save for acquiring resources for themselves.

Anonymous Philipp June 30, 2016 9:42 AM  

The goal of the EU was always to do away with the nation-states and create a political union, i.e. the United States of Europe.

"What is crucial though is that the idea [creating a political union] stemmed not from the wreckage of the Second World War, but the First. It was picked up by Jean Monnet in that post-war period yet the structures that would put the idea into action were actually formalised by a British civil servant, Arthur Salter, a colleague of Monnet, who set them out in a book published in 1926 called "The United States of Europe". In the book, he outlines all the institutions which are so familiar to us today, the commission, the council of ministers and the court of justice."

Source: http://eureferendum.blogspot.ch/2005/05/idea-whose-time-has-gone.html

The EU elites never kept their goal secret. In the preamble of the Treaties of Rome, they said that they wanted to create an ever closer political union.

A European army was first proposed in the early 1950s but was rejected by the French parliament.

Nothing new about this proposal at all.

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2016 9:43 AM  

> I wonder how the detractors would be convinced.

War and starvation do wonders for the popularity of anyone promising peace.

Anonymous Philipp June 30, 2016 9:52 AM  

For those wondering what Steinmeier and Ayrault meant with "next Europeans": It is a translation mistake. In the original German they wrote:

"...und wir laden die anderen europäischen Staaten ein, sich uns in diesem Unterfangen anzuschließen."

'die anderen europäischen Staaten' means the other European states.

For whatever reason, it was translated as the "next Europeans".

OpenID paworldandtimes June 30, 2016 9:54 AM  

Said group would be overwhelmingly young, male, and have absolutely no attachments or empathy with the native populations, no loyalty to national governments, and no concerns save for acquiring resources for themselves.

Well, that's excelled news. Arabs and Africans are the world's worst soldiers. Shoulda imported a few million Chinese "refugees" instead.

PA

Blogger residentMoron June 30, 2016 10:05 AM  

"It's reasonable to assume those prophecies may have been regarding the Roman Empire and are not a future doom."

It might be reasonable to *conclude* that, depending on the weight of the evidence and the strength of the arguments.

It's not at all reasonable to assume it, given we haven't seen either.

Blogger CM June 30, 2016 10:22 AM  

It's reasonable to assume those prophecies may have been regarding the Roman Empire and are not a future doom.

If it ended with the redemption of creation, I'll accept it.

If not, I'll continue expecting another attempt at it like this EU gig.

Blogger Elder Son June 30, 2016 10:32 AM  

Just keep watching the other EU, NATO, poking the Bear. Despite the EU, Western and Eastern Europe still have one mind in poking Russia.

As in @55 - War and starvation do wonders for the popularity of anyone promising peace.

And it is amusing that even the Rabbi's believe the "man of peace" is on this planet right now, just waiting to reveal himself, at the right time. And he is going to need a pretty good cause to reveal himself in the name of peace.

Blogger praetorian June 30, 2016 10:39 AM  

I've never seen you concede any point at any time anywhere.

(kek)

Aaron strikes me as a midwit (((zealot)))

Blogger Elder Son June 30, 2016 10:49 AM  

It's reasonable to assume those prophecies may have been regarding the Roman Empire and are not a future doom.

They always spit in your face:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_K1EThCIX1FY/S-eAsLF4znI/AAAAAAAABxk/0rai28YAYUc/s1600/EU+Building.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02448/colosseum_2448253k.jpg

Blogger Matamoros June 30, 2016 10:52 AM  

I don't think so in this case, because they are not dealing from a fundamental position of strength, but from weakness.

All the EU careerist bureaucracy is looking into the dark night of unemployment and complete oblivion.

Blogger The General June 30, 2016 11:11 AM  

Can anyone else hear C&C Hell March (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUWUtTZvK4)? I haven't played that game in over a decade and that theme song came rushing back into my mind.

Seriously, though, all socialism eventually aims to become global socialism. The socialist state demands that borders be expanded to eliminate every last Galt's Gulch in the world that might attract it, or closed if it is determined that expansion is not possible.

Blogger Quadko June 30, 2016 11:14 AM  

lose the right to have their own army
Now that's just precious on so many levels. Should work about as well as a "gun free zone". Bureaucrats!

Blogger Escoffier June 30, 2016 11:44 AM  

"But that seems to be true of leftist everywhere. Here in the US we have them pushing for gay marriage and transgenderism down everyone's throat. It's almost as if the sense their time to act is short."

I think they were afflicted with the victory disease and began running their mouths long before they had consolidated their victories in the real world e.g. Labor admitting it promoted ruinous immigration policies to 'rub their opponents faces in diversity.'

Anonymous fred June 30, 2016 12:08 PM  

I have no doubt all sorts of crazy things are in store for the EU soap opera, but I very seriously doubt civil war, or war of any kind, is in the cards over this. The Euros are just too pussified at this point, they'll sit and hope that the Yanks or the Rooskies will ride to the rescue. Good luck with that.

Foreigners rape their children -- rape their CHILDREN! -- and they do nothing. Foreigners behead their soldiers in the streets of their capital, and they do nothing. Foreigners riot in the streets, burn cars and schools and neighborhoods to the ground, and they do nothing. Foreigners seize their sovereign territory, declaring it is now foreigners-only territory, and they do nothing. Foreigners rape their women and beat their men in the streets, turn their schools into zoos, make all sorts of zany demands denigrating their native religion and culture, and they accede. Now, Britain says it's finally fed up, and they... hold a non-binding election, which barely passes. Now they are being inundated, literally flooded, with a hostile force of invading foreigners, chiefly strapping, military age, rape-minded young men who do nothing but make demands when they're not busy raping, and the Euros cooperate, and bend over to welcome them.

The test was handed in and graded long ago, and they utterly, massively failed.

Sadly, there isn't going to be the option of repeating a grade.

Anonymous CC June 30, 2016 12:10 PM  

The EU is definitely doubling down, the migrant crisis is proof of that. As is the madness in the Ukraine. It will give them the excuse for political union. They're quite open about this actually.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/657528/exploit-migrant-chaos-EXCUSE-EU-Army-Brexit?_ga=1.136817008.1962482698.1452394926

http://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-juncker-eu-needs-a-security-union-brussels-attacks/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/665870/eu-military-police-carry-out-extremely-worrying-civil-unrest-crisis-training

What is encouraging is that they do seem to be getting desperate and racing against time. The pot is going to boil over.

Incidentally the EU parliament is based on the Tower of Babel. Prophetic.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-the-eu-parliament/

Anonymous SciVo June 30, 2016 12:14 PM  

I'm going to take a couple of victory laps here. On June 24, in response to the petition for London to leave Britain and join the EU, I said (emphasis added):

That is, of course, one of the fundamental differences between Brexit and Londinsurrection: setting aside the differing legality, Britain has an army that is presumably capable of conquering a London in revolt, and it wouldn't have to cross the Channel to get there.

And while everyone else was talking about what individual nations might also exit, I said (emphasis added):

I think it's a combination of an over-reliance on polling, and an under-appreciation for how politics is downstream of culture. The public attitude can change on a dime as it pivots on a different axis than usual, and certain countries that identify more with Christendom have had a stronger reaction against the Muslim invasion.

My initial prediction is that I expect the Visigrad Group plus Slovenia to coordinate an exit if Turkey gets close to membership, and Serbia may withdraw its application. (Macedonia is probably a lost cause at a third Muslim.)


So then just days later, the EU threatens to take away the member states' armies and border controls, and the Visegrad Group freaks out.

I will admit that I didn't get the details all completely right, and I didn't expect confirmation so dramatic or so soon; but that's just because I failed to account for the Second Law of SJWs.

Anonymous Aaron June 30, 2016 12:15 PM  

Of course when "shown" to be wrong you admit it! It's just that you're shown to be wrong, right? How convenient.

Flip that on its head and it's exactly what an SJW or a gamma would say. Thats the whole point - no one ever admits that they've been "shown" to be wrong.

And with irony so perfect I can't believe it's unintentional, in your fourth paragraph you make my point exactly.

You are a laugh and a half, Vox.

You realize only 21 century Americans fall for this kind of genius "rhetoric", right? After decades of anti intellectual dumbing down, this is what we've come to.

Vox, you want power. And like all such people, you double down and engage in "rhetoric" when challenged. And behind rhetoric is emptinness. The only people who DONT double down are those who care more for principle than power. And you scorn such people, vox, with an acid contempt.

Your only example is a gradual changing over time on the issue of free trade. Thats not even close to the same thing.




Anonymous Jack Amok June 30, 2016 12:19 PM  

It baffles me that we stopped at merely separating church and state while ignoring the need for a separation of economy and state.

I think the bigger problem is that Leftists adopted the State as their religion. All the various Prog sects that make up the Left are nonsensical in their details - transgendered bathrooms, eco-nuttery, noble savagery, etc. They only make sense when you understand them as serving the goal of giving power to the State.

Anonymous Aaron June 30, 2016 12:23 PM  

But isn't that exactly the point? They're in a position of weakness, so they're using bluster and bravado to regain momentum. Thats what I said.

File this under "making my point for me again" dpt. You're good at that, vox.

"Wisely" changing course in a supposedly non-SJW fashion would merely hasten their demise, as you well know.

Now to be gonest, from your end, mocking your enemies for doing what you would, and mocking them when they do the opposite too, so that they are never in the right in your books, IS good strategy, and DOES help to rally stupid people to your banner (who like you anyways).

But let's just be clear what's gong on.

Anonymous Aaron June 30, 2016 12:29 PM  

And there you go doing it again. You're a stupid-people rhetoric genius, vox, I have to hand it to you :)

YOU'RE answering ME, but it is *I* who engage in the detestable gamma behavior of never letting things go or lashing back - and since when are you known for letting go or refraining from lashing back?

I get it. When you do it, it's super duper genius rhetoric alpha Aristotle stuff, when anyone else, why, it's a gamma.

Well, you have managed to impress shimshon, so clearly this is grade A stuff.

If you didn't exist, we'd have to invent you. You are too good.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 30, 2016 12:43 PM  

Well, that's excelled news. Arabs and Africans are the world's worst soldiers. Shoulda imported a few million Chinese "refugees" instead.

PA


@57 paworldandtimes
Unfortunately, Arabs and Africans may be sufficient in Europe, where most males seem cucked and the vast majority disarmed.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau June 30, 2016 12:44 PM  

I think the Elites in Europe believe Paris is worth a Hadj. A United Europe under the Caliphate.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 30, 2016 12:49 PM  

paworldandtimes wrote:Said group would be overwhelmingly young, male, and have absolutely no attachments or empathy with the native populations, no loyalty to national governments, and no concerns save for acquiring resources for themselves.

Well, that's excelled news. Arabs and Africans are the world's worst soldiers. Shoulda imported a few million Chinese "refugees" instead.

PA


Who is going to train them? The elites in the EU may be able to exert power of bureaucrats but they would be hard pressed to get any competent military officers to equip and train an army of refugees for the purposes of attacking their own countries.

That is granting that the refugees would even be willing to fight. They already have a track record of fleeing to easier targets rather than engaging in open conflict.

Blogger szopen June 30, 2016 12:53 PM  

in recent poll 81% Poles still want to be part of EU. Only 13% wants to leave, the rest is undecided.

F*k.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 1:03 PM  

Aaron wrote:Everyone always doubles down. You always double down. I've never seen you concede any point at any time anywhere.

No, (((Aaron))), a man admits when he's wrong. A man doesn't have the luxury of believing lies. I've seen Vox do it here, multiple times. I've seen many of the commenters here do it, multiple times.

But I suppose that's too masculine a concept for you to grasp.

Blogger JACIII June 30, 2016 1:07 PM  

Aaron wrote:
********
YOU'RE answering ME, but it is *I* who engage in the detestable gamma behavior of never letting things go or lashing back - and since when are you known for letting go or refraining from lashing back?


It's his blog, idiot.

Hey, VD, You need to create a safe space on your blog for the gotard where he can ramble on from his secret kingdom without contest, or else you are really the one with all of Aaron's womanly virtues.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 30, 2016 1:15 PM  

In 1988 most people still thought the USSR was a permanent feature.

Complete reversals in sentiment occur. They are not that rare. They come when the Old Narrative has stretched from stupid, to silly, to ludicrous, all the way to "geeze, we never imagined things could sustain to this level of baying-at-the-moon lunacy, but here we are."

The Left has been in "baying at the moon" lunacy for years, perhaps since 2000.

Morons look at a long trend and extrapolate it into forever. This describes to a T what the Globalist/Leftist/Cultists engage in today.

I sincerely hope their royalty, and their megaphones, meet Madame Guillotine. I will happily pull the lever.

Anonymous artaud June 30, 2016 1:38 PM  

@Aaron --

y'know, my front yard needs mowing, and I've got some light filing that I haven't yet gotten round to. Since you seem to have plenty of time on your hands.

Anonymous Aaron June 30, 2016 1:50 PM  

I happen to agree with you completely. It is masculine to admit when you're wrong. Just very few people do it, and certainly not vox. What exactly do you think "rhetoric" is about? What do you think vox meant when he said his enemies should not expect fair play on his blog? When he says he's machiavelian and marccisitic?

Who do you think machiaveli was?

Dude is playing you and you don't even know it.

Would you kindly provide me a link whete vox humbly admits he's wrong after someone points out his errors in argument? Just one example will be fine.

Oh right, he's just never been proven wrong, but if he was, he'd admit it. Unlike thr hideous gammas, who are constantly proven wrong, pf course, be him, but just don't admit it.

Excellent stuff.

Being alpha isn't about admitting mistakes dude, it's about "holding frame". Don't you know that by now?

Power is best pursued by machiavellian means, using rhetoric, and by narcissistic people. Masculinity is principle, it only gets in the way.


Blogger VD June 30, 2016 2:01 PM  

I happen to agree with you completely. It is masculine to admit when you're wrong. Just very few people do it, and certainly not vox.

And the butthurt little gamma lies again. Quelle surprise! Why, here is an example from Twitter just today!

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Daikatana was, like my Rebel Moon designs, too ambitious for its own good.

John Romero ‏@romero
it wasn't an ambitious design that was Daikatana's problem

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
I stand corrected. But the industry still hasn't done some of the things you wanted to do.

Anonymous artaud June 30, 2016 2:07 PM  

"it wasn't an ambitious design that was Daikatana's problem"

No idea who or what Daikatana was, but one problem is the goofily grandiose name. Gladius Maximus, I take it?

Guess I'll have to start reading more than George Will for larfs.

Just kidding, carry on.

Anonymous Aaron June 30, 2016 2:09 PM  

That's actually funny, vox, but very, very mean of you - you know the 'tards on this blog will take you seriously.

If you're gonna have a laugh, don't make it at your loyal sycophants expense. They deserve better.

Shimshon will show up any minute to congratulate you on proving me wrong. He may be ab'tard, but he's your tard, vox.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 2:22 PM  

Aaron wrote:Dude is playing you and you don't even know it.

Vox isn't capable of playing me.
He's playing you like a string bass though.

Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, are you really this threatened by Vox telling you you're an idiot? Because you're a raging, full-blown, hurricane-force idiot.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 2:23 PM  

Dance Aaron, dance!! Lookit the monkey dancing!

Anonymous SaltHarvest June 30, 2016 2:25 PM  

aeou wrote:Are they fucking retarded? The nationalists are already on the rise all over. This just gives them stronger wind in the sails.

If they thought they had the time they'd resume glacial gradualism. The compulsion to rush the process along suggests a timetable that has not been publicly scrutinized.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 2:30 PM  

SaltHarvest wrote:The compulsion to rush the process along suggests a timetable that has not been publicly scrutinized.

More likely they are afraid that there will another exit in the next few months. My guess is that they have polling in either France, Hungary or Czechia that leads them to believe they could lose one of these countries in the short term. Czech Republic or Hungary would be bad, but France would fracture the EU immediately. It would take away the fig leaf that the EU is not the 4th Reich.

Anonymous Philipp June 30, 2016 2:36 PM  

The EU is not the 4th Reich. The EU is not the attempt by the Germans to rule Europe in a stealth way.

The EU is the attempt to do away with the nation-states and create a supra-national, technocratic political union, whose elites are not accountable to the citizens. It was designed by a French and British civil servant in the 1920s.

If the German people would have been allowed to vote by their elites, they would have never given up the D-Mark for the euro.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 30, 2016 2:38 PM  

@33 JACIII

The next EU will be the truly bloody one. Think it will use its new immagrants like the 1860 US did to enforce its rule? Why else are they there?
---

That's what I've been thinking. All these young, strong, military age men (according to Trump) that have been flooding Europe can finally be given a job.

If even Soros is out blaming Merkle and her open borders as the reason for the EU disintegrating, then those globalists must have already moved on from the EU into some next step.

Unless they're just stupid.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 30, 2016 2:44 PM  

@55 James Dixon
War and starvation do wonders for the popularity of anyone promising peace.
---

I saw a thing at Infowars talking about globalists using a famine in the near future to further break down societies

Anonymous RTTT June 30, 2016 2:46 PM  

So, if the Brussels bureaucracy is pissing off its membership to the point that states are voting to leave, does that make Europe in-continent?

Anonymous Naploeon 12pdr June 30, 2016 2:48 PM  

The fun part is guessing when the Eurozone will collapse. I travel to Europe every other year, frequently enough to make it worthwhile to not exchange excess Euro for dollars. This time...I'm not so sure it's such a good idea.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 2:48 PM  

Philipp wrote:The EU is the attempt to do away with the nation-states and create a supra-national, technocratic political union, whose elites are not accountable to the citizens. It was designed by a French and British civil servant in the 1920s.
And it was intended, as the French put it, that the clever French rider would ride the sturdy German horse.
But you see, the Germans learned a lesson in the 1920s. They save. And then reunification happened. Germany has always been the strongest people of Europe, and now they have the whip hand.
The French flaked out, as they always do, and they are finding the arrangement less and less congenial. If Germany demands that France cut herself off from Britain and British markets, the French will rethink the arrangement.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 30, 2016 2:50 PM  

@70 Aaron

If you're going to veer off topic, at least be interesting.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 30, 2016 2:53 PM  

@87 Snidely Whiplash
Dance Aaron, dance!! Lookit the monkey dancing!
---

Xhe is dancing with xhimself like Billy Idol!

Anonymous SaltHarvest June 30, 2016 2:54 PM  

CM wrote:I understand that at some point, the people WILL submit to a One World Government.

I wonder how the detractors would be convinced.

Economic exclusion or guilt by association where possible.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:More likely they are afraid that there will another exit in the next few months. Which is what a gross overreaction causes. They could sidestep this referendum like others before it, but they don't want to. Compare to a lover pleading for their partner to come back instead of offering to break things until the relationship "improves." If the other countries don't feel free to go, they may decide to leave while it's easy and relatively painless to do so.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 30, 2016 2:56 PM  

@88 SaltHarvest

If they thought they had the time they'd resume glacial gradualism. The compulsion to rush the process along suggests a timetable that has not been publicly scrutinized.
---

I can't pretend to fully understand what is happening with these globalists.

My WAG, if this was any other character out there, would be they are trying to get as much as they can before the party is over.

If they are strategically that dumb, then they will end up like the monkey who can't get his hand out of the trap because he won't drop the banana.

I know, I like chimp and banana analogies :P

Anonymous Philipp June 30, 2016 3:00 PM  

@95: Germany is indeed - at least potentially - the strongest power in Europe since 1871.

However, the German people do not want to rule Europe. The German elite would actually prefer a stronger France and there is no sign that they will demand that France cuts itself of the British market.

It is actually the French elite who wants to punish the British, mainly for domestic reasons, while the Germans wanted to keep the British in the EU.

The EU is not an attempt by the Germans to create a 4th Reich.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 3:02 PM  

SaltHarvest wrote:If the other countries don't feel free to go, they may decide to leave while it's easy and relatively painless to do so.

Which I'm pretty sure is goinbg to be someone's reaction to the EU demanding national subjugation.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 3:04 PM  

@Phillip,
Do you know what the first 2 Reichs were? The Reich doesn't have to be German dominated.

Anonymous SaltHarvest June 30, 2016 3:06 PM  

Then why'd you disagree with my earlier statement?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 3:07 PM  

I disagreed with the statement that there was a secret timetable.

Anonymous Philipp June 30, 2016 3:13 PM  

@102: Snidley, I do as I know a bit about German and European history. The First Reich was the Holy Roman Empire, which included parts of other countries (Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, France, Czech Republic, Austria, Poland). However its core was always in what is now Germany. From the later 15th century "of the German Nation" was added to its name.

The Second Reich was Bismarck's creation, who united (or divided, as Austria was left out) in 1871. This Reich was overwhelmingly German and most certainly German dominated.

Also the termininology (Third Reich, Fourth Reich) refers only to German empires. The Russian do not number their various empires in the same way (as far as I know). Most other empires have gone and never bounced back.

Thus I would say that, yes, a Reich has to be German dominated. If it is not, it is not a Reich.

Anonymous SaltHarvest June 30, 2016 3:16 PM  

That's what you disagreed with, not why. We've gone over why suddenly removing the "fig leaf" is a bad idea. What makes you think the EU architects haven't noticed this issue a long time ago (and usually avoid scrapping a decades long project over a minor setback)? What's different this time?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 3:26 PM  

Is there a plan with milestones, yes. Is there a timetable with target dates, no. They're playing it by ear.
If they had a secret timetable in any but the roughest sense, they'd have been better prepared for Brexit, and worked harder to prevent it.

The reason I think they hadn't noticed this problem some time ago is their reaction to events. The full-on panic is evidence that events have overtaken them and they don't know what to do, so like lefties everywhere, they double down.

What's different this time is that their inevitability is shattered.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2016 3:28 PM  

@Phillip. Seems you are right. I had always thought that Reich referred 1st to Rome, then to Charlemagne.

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2016 3:41 PM  

> Seems you are right. I had always thought that Reich referred 1st to Rome, then to Charlemagne.

I believe I was actually taught that in history class.

Anonymous Philipp June 30, 2016 3:42 PM  

@108: No, the term "Reich" refers to the Holy Roman Empire and then Bismarck's empire. The Holy Roman Empire lasted about 1,000 years from, 800 to 1800, which is the reason behind the Nazis claiming they would create another Reich that would last 1,000 years.

Reich is a German word that can be translated as empire, realm or kingdom.

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Anonymous SaltHarvest June 30, 2016 3:59 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Is there a plan with milestones, yes. Is there a timetable with target dates, no. They're playing it by ear.

If they had a secret timetable in any but the roughest sense, they'd have been better prepared for Brexit, and worked harder to prevent it.
That was probably* a mix of overconfidence and propaganda failure. Not everyone is wide open to the narrative, even with extraordinary amounts of planning. They don't play it by ear when they can avoid it because the results are too unpredictable.

*There's also the possibility that the elites knew it was coming and decided on a contingency plan.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:The reason I think they hadn't noticed this problem some time ago is their reaction to events. The full-on panic is evidence that events have overtaken them and they don't know what to do, so like lefties everywhere, they double down. The panic is propaganda for the rank and file. EU elites don't have a direct incentive to give any substance to the suspicions of Brexiters without a conflict of priorities coming into play. The planned route is to associate Brexit (and not the EU) with a descent into racial strife and economic chaos. This narrative provides Britain the cover of throwing a "tantrum" and coming back into the fold when they're ready to act "responsibly." The hypothesis that they're throwing away that story to whip thoughts of leaving out of other EU countries assumes a level of stupidity that's not in evidence above the level of the useful idiots.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:What's different this time is that their inevitability is shattered.For those still willing to believe, not really. Pulling the fig leaf off does more shattering.

Anonymous SaltHarvest June 30, 2016 4:04 PM  

SaltHarvest wrote:They don't play it by ear when they can avoid it because the results are too unpredictable. For instance, if they had an abundance of time, then they could resume/restart the indoctrination process instead of taking leave for an answer, which could be described as persistent (like a pest) as well as "doubling down".

Anonymous BGKB June 30, 2016 4:15 PM  

I saw a thing at Infowars talking about globalists using a famine in the near future to further break down societies

That's just a stereotype of ((())) going after water, weapon, & food control.

If the other countries don't feel free to go, they may decide to leave while it's easy and relatively painless to do so.

Several might even beat Britain in the race out of the EU

Anonymous SaltHarvest June 30, 2016 5:17 PM  

Aaron wrote:You realize only 21 century Americans fall for this kind of genius "rhetoric", right? After decades of anti intellectual dumbing down, this is what we've come to.

The vast majority of humanity falls for rhetoric of some kind or another. Half of humanity will fall for it as a matter of course, and most of the remainder run out of resistance before they run out of rhetoric to resist, causing them to also fall. That you single Americans out for gullibility could be cause for introspection, if one cared to do so.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 30, 2016 5:21 PM  

If the EU is openly calling for the dissolution of states, why don't those states take that as an act of war? Or at least, a hostile act of some sort?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 30, 2016 5:59 PM  

A friend returned from Slovakia recently. While part of the EUzone, they have absolutely refused to take in rapefugees, pleading “small, poor country”. I am not sure they could make it on their own outside the EUrozone, but in monetary association with Hungary, Czech Republic and Poland sorta like the old Benelux group, yeah, they could probably do ok.

Their Soviet era steelmill is much improved and in production, for example.

Pressing the rapefugee colonizers on the smaller countries would be an overreach in a way as big as this planned “All your country are belong to us” amalgamation.

Blogger Randy June 30, 2016 8:51 PM  

If the French decide to give France to the Germans again, I say we should just let them keep it. If we do end up having to kick the Germans out of France for the third time, we should really consider making it a colony.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 30, 2016 10:07 PM  

These kind of EU pronouncements show an egregious arrogance and totalitarian mindset underneath the rhetoric of 'justice and common markets'

Naked aggression is underneath this.

Very ugly. Don't they see their ugliness???

Anonymous SciVo June 30, 2016 10:45 PM  

@ Snidely Whiplash and SaltHarvest:

I. Observations

A. Boiling the frog for decades
B. Failing to prevent Brexit
C. Abrupt bluff

II. Inferences

A. High IQ, low time preference, anti-democratic
B. True believers, or part of the plan?
C. Panic, or part of the plan?

III. Hypotheses

A. Intellectual framework, passionate motivation, "love" human people like cattle or pets
1. Utopian vision of United States of Europe, peace forever, must protect the proles from their own base passions
2. Native Europeans are (((their))) only real competition, (((they're))) ahead in absolute number killed but behind percentage-wise, sociopathic idea of merciful victory is no murder but also no more white babies
3. Creeping socialism, muh paycheck, muh degree

B. Surprised, or wanted Brexit?
1. Epistemic closure, or Britain blocking the plan?
2. (((They))) don't hate Brits, or (((they))) have another way to end white babies in Britain?
3. But muh paycheck an' muh degree!

C. Compulsive double down, or awaited opportunity?
1. SJWs gonna SJW, or at last nothing is in their way?
2. All is coming together as (((they))) have foreseen.
3. Public servant? Public servant?! That's old hat. We know what's best for the people!

Anonymous George of the Jungle July 01, 2016 12:57 AM  

<a href="http://www.madmusic.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=27997”>Radio Dinner: Give Ireland Back to the Irish</a>

Anonymous SciVo July 01, 2016 1:06 AM  

I'm not sure where to put this, but perhaps it can fit here under the rubric of "you can appreciate Western Civ or you can lose it." On Power Line (h/t Ace of Spades):

Beauty and laughter are pleasures, but they aren’t just an escape from constant sorrow. They are real but otherworldly; we can’t control their coming and going. They are glimpses of Ithaca, of the home we seek, of the fellowship which allows us to survive and prosper. That’s why they are so important to our social order, and I have to assume it’s why the Greeks put comedies at the heart of their civic life.

I’ve read that the writers who competed in the festivals of Dionysus had to compose four plays. The first three were tragedies, but the last had to be a comedy. According to this recipe tragedy occupies much of our time, but comedy has the last word. The two forms work together to celebrate the life force that Dionysus represents. This is how I understand the relationship of tragedy and comedy.


No. It just means that drunk people can handle moralizing in a way that hungover people can't.

This is a simplification, but the "tragedies" were basically morality tales, much like our horror movies. Someone who acts inappropriately is marked by the gods for death (or worse).

She disobeyed her father? Dead! He wore women's clothes? Dead! You entered a tomb while alive? Double-plus dead!

So after three days of partying hard and watching serious plays like that, they got slapstick and absurdity because that was about all they could handle at that point.

Hercules acting cowardly? Funny! He's wearing women's clothes? Funny! He uses this one weird trick to visit the gods while still a mortal, and you won't believe what happens next...

Blogger digra July 01, 2016 6:02 AM  

Concisely, make your point.

Then STFU.

You're not going to change anyone's point of view. Let alone on these parts.

Blogger Robert What? July 01, 2016 6:17 AM  

My bet is that the UK Parliament will never actually move on the Brexit. Voting for it and having it happen are two different this. Any takers?

Anonymous Philipp July 01, 2016 7:48 AM  

@124: Robert, that is a possibility, however, it would mean that democracy would be exposed as a shame in the UK and the Conservatives would lose millions of voters to UKIP. I doubt they want to do that.

All leading Tories from Cameron to Gove to May have all said that the referendum result would mean Brexit.

Anonymous Joe July 02, 2016 3:54 AM  

"Just keep watching the other EU, NATO, poking the Bear. Despite the EU, Western and Eastern Europe still have one mind in poking Russia."

You have to remember that the narrative that the West is poking Russian, which has been imperialistic since it's Muscovite roots is a Russian one. Please look at history and see that since Muscow became a kingdom they have been expanding by force at the expense of their neighbours - who have not always been saints - but who more often then not had to live under Russian oppression, who had their elites massacred and who will live with social consequences of that for generations to come. Maybe Mr Putin pays you a lot of money but Imperial Russia is not the West's friend.

Anonymous Joe July 02, 2016 3:59 AM  

"My bet is that the UK Parliament will never actually move on the Brexit. Voting for it and having it happen are two different this. Any takers?"

They should move on it. And maybe the function of London can be dispersed all over Europe. There is no reason to have one city dominate the financial sector. I'm all for patriotism but there is no need to also benefit from other countries' business. Sadly any business which moves will move to Frankfurt which is not good either.

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