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Friday, June 17, 2016

The multilingual requirement

Heartiste explains why both rhetoric and dialectic are necessary in today's politics and political commentary:
Dialectic is the preferred form of communication when level-headed White men are drawing up policies to ensure prosperity for their nation and a future for their posterity. But we don’t live in that world anymore. Our world is tribal wagon-circling and feral women. Dialectic falls on deaf ears in an Idiocracy and in a Jizzocracy.

Rhetoric has the stage now. The beta male who patiently and thoroughly explores all the logical implications of a woman’s emotional extemporizing will bore her to tears. No sex for him. As it is in 2016 American politics; the cuckservative who patiently and thoroughly explores all the Constitutional implications of a liberal’s destructive anti-White animus will ostracize himself from the public discourse. No influence for him.

The ideal set-up for the alt-right rebel is rhetoric + dialectic. Get your kill shot in, then cow the others with an unanticipated foray into informed dialectic.
This is why Alpha Game had this motto from the start: Breaking the chains, winning the games, and saving Western Civilization.

In any society where women have the vote, both sexual politics and Game are going to be absolutely integral to the process of government. As women are much more inclined to favor rhetoric over dialectic, this means that it is vital for anyone who is interested in influencing the process in even the smallest regard to learn how to communicate with the rhetorically-minded.

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37 Comments:

Blogger Dire Badger June 17, 2016 5:34 AM  

That is why Trump is winning.
On the plus side, he will look a lot better along the top of an elementary-school blackboard than the Dindu Sock monkey occupying the last spot.

Blogger tublecane June 17, 2016 5:37 AM  

Rhetoric was part of the Trivium of medieval education, and one of the seven Liberal Arts. We still call higher schooling a "liberal education," but they don't teach rhetoric anymore. I wonder if this was deliberate.

I understand denying commoners an ability to tell when they're being persuaded and how. But you'd think they'd teach it to future statesmen, at least. I suppose that's why they suck at it. The best we get is those with enough practical experience, or those with a natural talent for it.

Blogger Lovekraft June 17, 2016 5:53 AM  

And as we have a lock on the fact-base arguments, the Regressives have to retreat into further PC platitudes like "War on da Wimmynz" and "That's Not Who we Are!" sob stories.

At this rate, come next January. they'll be sucking on soothers and whining for mommy.

Anonymous BitMumbler June 17, 2016 6:20 AM  

I'm a bit autistic when it comes to social interaction and have a hard time grasping stuff like this - so how about some more examples? Here's what I'm thinking thus far ...

Scenario: Some low T nu-male at work is whinging about how Christianity is just as bad as Islam. Then he starts whinging in your direction.

Dialect response would be to bring up statistics regarding terror attacks and pointing out how Islam is unique in it's brutality, and that by denying what it does we're only enabling it's followers to continue their course of action.

Rhetoric would be something like saying, "Oh yeah, man, because we really gotta watch out for those Mormon suicide bombers!"

Is the train fine or have I gone off the tracks? Also I apologize in advance if asked a question, as I will not be able to respond for several hours.

Blogger residentMoron June 17, 2016 6:29 AM  

Maybe it's too soon, but in a couple of recent cases, a bullet in the face tended to end the argument ...

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 17, 2016 6:37 AM  

Rhetoric would be something like saying, "Oh yeah, man, because we really gotta watch out for those Mormon suicide bombers!"

That's actually not bad, but substitute Baptist. (Unless you live in Utah)

For maximum shiv, you could always agree and amplify using Amish. Like "dang Amish, always circumsing their little girls."

The point as always, is to ridicule leftist worries about "slippery slopes" just as they mercilessly did to the Right for the last hundred years.

Blogger Thordaddy June 17, 2016 6:49 AM  

"[F]eral women" is written subversion akin to "gay men." And both represent perceptual liberal constructs aimed at destroying any idealized consensual notion of "woman" and "man" proper.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 17, 2016 7:42 AM  

I understand denying commoners an ability to tell when they're being persuaded and how. But you'd think they'd teach it to future statesmen, at least. I suppose that's why they suck at it. The best we get is those with enough practical experience, or those with a natural talent for it.

Whenever I write about the public schools, I always spell it "publik skoolz" to make the point to the reader than the education you get from them is horrid. Wonder if that counts as rhetoric?

Blogger rumpole5 June 17, 2016 7:56 AM  

There are classical Christian schools all over the country that utilize the Grammar-Dialectic-Rhetoric model.

Our government schools were designed on German Bismarck model, to produce factory workers who can read instructions, blueprints, and the Mensroom sign, and learn to salute Der Czar. The idea was also to remove the competition of child labor. Now, we have the additional goal of supporting Democrat voting "teachers".

If you are sending your child to a government school you are a poor parent.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 17, 2016 8:06 AM  

and the Mensroom sign

They don't even have to know how to do that anymore.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 17, 2016 8:18 AM  

Not sure if this counts as "rhetoric," but I thought I'd share with the Ilk something that happened a couple of days ago at work.

So I was in the lab running an analysis on a set of samples, and got to talking with a co-worker about the economy, specifically about how the government doesn't really tell us the truth w.r.t. economic matters. Another co-worker overheard us and butted her way into our conversation.

Now, this other co-worker is a complete leftie. She's a fifty-something, never been married cat-herder type who looks on the government as the husband she could never have. So anywise, we're talking about the economy, and me and this other guy are talking about things like the labour force participation rate and the Baltic dry goods index and all the rest. The cat-herder was limited to basically asserting some variant of "the economy's actually doing really well!" over and over again, only to be shot down by the aforementioned countermanding facts. Then at one point, I made the observation that the economy, by all real measures, isn't any better now than it had been seven or eight years ago.

Apparently she took that as a swipe against Obama, which wasn't what I actually intended, but if the shoe fits...right? So she gets all in a huff - she literally looked like she was about to cry - and said something like, "I think we just need to end this conversation now. We shouldn't be having this conversation." Since the other guy and I both needed to go to other labs anywise, we were just like, "Whatever."

Anywise, a few minutes later after I had prepared my next set of samples and returned to that lab, the cat-herder spoke up and was like "By the way Titus [redacted], did you know that my first undergraduate degree was in economics?" I said, "No, really? That's neat." Then she said, "Yes, I got my first degree in economics!" I guess she thought that this was going to grant her some kind of authority on the subject or something.

Anywise, I then asked her, "So what do you think of the Austrian school?"

"The what?"

"The Austrian school. You know, with guys like Hayek, von Mises, those guys?"

"I've never heard of them..."

"Uh.....okay."

And the conversation sort of ended there.

FWIW, there was this millennial girl in the lab that we'd hired a couple of months ago and who heard the whole set of exchanges from the very beginning. She was definitely chuckling at the cat herder at the end of it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 17, 2016 9:07 AM  

That was a homerun entry

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx June 17, 2016 9:20 AM  

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus wrote:

got to talking with a co-worker about the economy, specifically about how the government doesn't really tell us the truth w.r.t. economic matters. Another co-worker overheard us and butted her way into our conversation...

"I think we just need to end this conversation now. We shouldn't be having this conversation."



Crikey, we all know that woman, the cat herder of a thousand faces, stamped out in Bismark's factories. The story is archetypal Lone SJW Behavior, when they don't have a pack. It can be codified like in SJWAL.

Cat herder whiskers detected a Violation of the Narrative. No one around (yet) to alert by Pointing and Shrieking. She bravely goes in alone (butts in), with the expectation of saving the day- ah: the SJW First Responder!

(other steps)

Attempts to Take Control of the Situation.

Finale- We shouldn't be having this conversation. (Translation- you shall not be allowed to Violate.)

Aftermath- She may transform it into a Victory Parade anyways, watch for it.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx June 17, 2016 9:50 AM  

From the same article-
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/rhetoric-vs-dialectic-how-game-principles-apply-to-politics/

“Let’s face it... beautiful women love Trump and masculine men want to be Trump.

I’ve also been learning from Vox Day about the difference between rhetoric and dialectic... I have a new kill shot for those who attack Trump. I post a picture of a hot Trump supporter.

Because Hillary and Bernie supporters are cat-ladies and low-T bronies, they are unattractive, so they have no response. Images like these arouse normal males to want the girl that supports Trump. It’s just animal instinct. Women want to be like the women that men want, so they want to be this girl. This is rhetoric in action. No words, just a picture of a hot Trump supporter. Luckily, there are millions of hot Trump supporters.

It’s a kill shot"

CH was gracious enough to provide us with an image resource for purpose- https://www.instagram.com/babesfortrump/

Blogger Alexander June 17, 2016 10:00 AM  

I th-th-th-th-think you guys are really mean to resort to rhetoric to try and make your opponents look idiotic.

You don't agree? Okie-doke.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 17, 2016 10:05 AM  

#11 more proof of my contention that the left is a big nothing burger, that is your average die hard lefty, a POS weakling.

Why conservatives allowed them the uncontested moral level of conflict is beyond me.

Never allow a person like that to have whip hand of moral authority over you, don't go off into your beta boy spergy I got the answers please listen to me waste of time, they will pull your little wings off of your little body just like they did to that fly one time if you allow them a hint of moral authority.

Been there got experience.

Anonymous BGKB June 17, 2016 10:16 AM  

Dialectic is the preferred form of communication when level-headed White men are drawing up policies to ensure prosperity

For the most part he can put STR8 in front of that

but they don't teach rhetoric anymore.

I was under the impression that all they taught was rhetoric, its all pathos while ethos and logos have disappeared.

I always spell it "publik skoolz" to make

A common core poster in 6th grade classes showing different types of sex misspelled careessing, noted on Stephan Molyneux's common core video.

"dang Amish, always circumsing their little girls." "Ma we beheading aut to da fields"

"I think we just need to end this conversation now. We shouldn't be having this conversation."

"Why yes only 2 of us are able to work and talk at the same time", that's why women think equal work is equal effort not equal results.

Blogger LES June 17, 2016 10:17 AM  

Rhetoric is still taught. I was once involved in a university seminar on conflict resolution. It was training on how to use thought-stopping, mind-numbing rhetoric on your opponent.

Imagine a room full of guys talking trash using foul language when a littl old lady unexpectedly drops in. Immediately the guys voluntarily show respect and clean up their behavior.
Political correctness takes that principle to the extreme by allowing the most sensitive snowflake to make rules of behavior that everyone must obey. That can only be countered with rhetoric or outright defiance and calling out political correctness for what it is.

Anonymous andon June 17, 2016 11:03 AM  

I always spell it "publik skoolz"...

there used to be what seemed like a campaign against "Home Skoolers" until they found out how much better they did than public schooled kids. prob was funded by the left

Blogger Tom Nichol June 17, 2016 11:04 AM  

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus wrote:So she gets all in a huff - she literally looked like she was about to cry - and said something like, "I think we just need to end this conversation now. We shouldn't be having this conversation."

My reply: Good idea. You're free to go and we will continue without you just fine.

Blogger Tom Nichol June 17, 2016 11:09 AM  

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus wrote:So she gets all in a huff - she literally looked like she was about to cry - and said something like, "I think we just need to end this conversation now. We shouldn't be having this conversation."

My reply: Good idea. You're free to go and we will continue without you just fine.

Blogger Bard June 17, 2016 11:15 AM  

Exactly. No one asked what your cats think about the economy.

Blogger Bard June 17, 2016 11:16 AM  

Public school is child abuse. Homeschool or die are good examples.

Blogger Bard June 17, 2016 11:16 AM  

Public school is child abuse. Homeschool or die are good examples.

Blogger Bard June 17, 2016 11:16 AM  

Exactly. No one asked what your cats think about the economy.

Anonymous andon June 17, 2016 11:23 AM  

seems like BlogSpot should have an autodelete for multiple identical comments

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 17, 2016 11:52 AM  

#9. Rumpole>
There are classical Christian schools all over the country that utilize the Grammar-Dialectic-Rhetoric model.

Apparently this one in Waco didn't get the memo. Looks like they are too worshipful of the Golden Dindu. Apparently run by women, so no surprise here.

Blogger Groot June 17, 2016 12:18 PM  

"And I refused to be a fool dancing on a string held by all of those big shots. I don't apologize, that's my life."

-- The Godfather

Blogger lowercaseb June 17, 2016 1:20 PM  

Alexander wrote:I th-th-th-th-think you guys are really mean to resort to rhetoric to try and make your opponents look idiotic.

You don't agree? Okie-doke.


You are my hero!

Blogger Pseudotsuga June 17, 2016 1:50 PM  

I have taken this lesson to heart, Vox, after I realized that (to paraphrase you, I believe) one cannot reason a person out of a position which he didn't reason himself into.
My extended family has some SJW in it (a bisexual woman going to a "Christian" college--George Fox University, for those who want to know, and my sister hates guns, all guns, any guns, and no argument will change her mind.)
So I have been reminding myself as we discuss events like the Orlando shooting and such that rhetoric is the only proper response.

Blogger SirHamster June 17, 2016 2:19 PM  

tublecane wrote:Rhetoric was part of the Trivium of medieval education, and one of the seven Liberal Arts. We still call higher schooling a "liberal education," but they don't teach rhetoric anymore. I wonder if this was deliberate.

Know a liberal teacher who wanted to warn her students about the dangers of Trump ...

Because Trump uses rhetoric. And rhetoric is Bad because Hitler.

Even as she uses Daily Show/Comedy Central videos in class to mock Trump.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 17, 2016 3:25 PM  

Everybody had a golden opportunity to practice a lot of rhetoric during the republican primaries. If you didn't avail yourself, that's sad.

It was fun to come up with rhetoric against
Senor Jebster
Linda Graham
Kris Krispy
Tundra Ted
Narco Lubio
Snarly Furina
Bernout Sanders

Rhetoric can be as simple as assigning funny nicknames to them

Blogger Were-Puppy June 17, 2016 3:27 PM  

The other day Trump triggered Obama, and someone posted this on youtube, which is video rhetoric :P

https://youtu.be/iC4_XmW1rBc

Anonymous Discard June 17, 2016 5:13 PM  

When I was a boy, I spent a good deal of time sitting in my mother's chair (it had arm rests) and flying my Thunderbolt or Corsair and shooting down Nazis or Japs. (Love that Pratt & Whitney R-2800)

EEEEEYYYOOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!! KAKAKAKAKAKAKAKOW!!!!

I don't do that anymore, much, but the SJW has learned a new heroic fantasy: Fighting the RacistSexistHomophobe. When you challenge the Narrative, you are reaching deep into their childish hearts and cutting off the blood flow. I have, as a teacher, known high school kids to make up stories about how they saved some poor Negro kid from racists by using "devastating" logic. They literally fantasize about crushing us with their brilliant arguments, and reaping the admiration of the crowd and the friendship of the oppressed. That is what we're fighting. There's no way to argue somebody out of a child's fantasy, we can only mock them and goad them and humiliate them. The facts and logic we throw in are for the benefit of onlookers who are no so invested in the fantasy.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx June 17, 2016 5:47 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:

It was fun to come up with rhetoric against

Senor Jebster

Linda Graham

Kris Krispy

Tundra Ted

Narco Lubio

Snarly Furina

Bernout Sanders

Rhetoric can be as simple as assigning funny nicknames to them


Narco Lubio, that's a good one. It's got the drugs and the foam parties going on; the second association only works if the listener knows about those stories.

A lot of it (all of it?) is associative, which is how the mind works. Ring the bell, the dog salivates (hmm, there's some rhetoric in them thar).

Any two or more things can be brought into association, regardless of the logical connection between them. A demented Markov chain or Frogger jump of associations can then be constructed, which might be a good descriptor of The Narrative.

In this story, the SJW butted in and slewed it all the way from the Baltic Dry Index right up to the edge of the Racist Shriek in the space of a few minutes or maybe even seconds, in a sort of Frogger game of pre-programmed Frankfurt Associations-

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus wrote:Not sure if this counts as "rhetoric," but I thought I'd share with the Ilk something that happened a couple of days ago at work.

So I... got to talking with a co-worker about the economy..."

Anonymous SciVo June 18, 2016 3:20 AM  

In which Stacy McCain shows how to agree and amplify:

If you believe what feminists wrote about the Jian Ghomeshi case, rape is basically legal in Canada. Getting a rape conviction in Canada is so difficult, according to feminists, that Canadian women are raped routinely and the reaction from Canadian law enforcement is, “Tough luck.”

Because I hate Canada quite generally, I’m willing to believe this.

My attitude toward elite universities is the same. When I see feminists protesting about “rape culture” at Harvard or Yale, my reaction is to figure they’re right. Those boys with perfect GPAs and high SAT scores paying $50,000 a year to attend elite schools? Rapists, all of them.

The Ivy League Is Decadent and Depraved, as I keep saying, and I’m always willing to believe any accusation against a Harvard student. Rape, arson, kidnapping, murder, bestiality, treason —
guilty! Hang ’em!

Anonymous Jack Arcalon June 18, 2016 11:15 AM  

A cuckservative is like a bullying victim writing a blackboard proof explaining why the bully should leave him alone. Meanwhile the bully has pulled his pants down.

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