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Tuesday, June 21, 2016

Today's lesson in rhetoric

An SJW white knight was attempting to attack Mike Cernovich over his observations concerning false rape claims. I joined in, and things went pretty much how you might expect from there.

Avram Meitner @AvramMeitner
Feminists aren't responsible for rape! Spoken like a true misogynist.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
True. Feminists are responsible for fake rape, near rape, virtual rape, and regret rape. None of which is actually rape.

Avram Meitner ‏@AvramMeitner
Anonymous rape advocate.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Why do you advocate rape? Is it a personal hobby or do you think rape is good for society?

Avram Meitner ‏@AvramMeitner
Anonymous rape advocate now tries to deflect from his rape advocacy.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
"I'd like to amputate part of your healthy baby, suck his penis and give him herpes."
- Avram Meitner, rape advocate

Sick!

Supreme Dark Lord @voxday
You not only advocate rape, you advocate child rape! Get help, you sick paedo.





Avram Meitner ‏@AvramMeitner
When a rape advocate is exposed, they naturally rely on dishonesty to squirm out of it.

Supreme Dark Lord @voxday
Exactly. You falsely accused me. I accurately quoted you.

Supreme Dark Lord @voxday
You lied, Avram. And you brought inferior rhetoric despite your obvious vulnerability to it. You failed Sun Tzu 101.

You are blocked from following @AvramMeitner and viewing @AvramMeitner's Tweets.
It's like clockwork. Never forget the Third Law of SJW: SJWs Always Project. They have no capacity for defense, and their inclination towards hypocrisy means that they won't hesitate to complain about the very behavior that they exhibited first. This leaves them extremely vulnerable, especially in public, as others won't hesitate to point out that hypocrisy.

They'll start with rhetoric, then try to retreat to pseudo-dialectic; don't fall for it, just stick with the rhetoric. If it wasn't working, they wouldn't be retreating.

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76 Comments:

Blogger Rabbi B June 21, 2016 11:42 AM  

And they always end with a flourish: by bravely blocking you. That'll teach you, Vox!

Blogger haus frau June 21, 2016 11:46 AM  

I just ordered the audio book version of Rhetoric. Just posting it for anyone else who finds the written version a bit inscrutable. Maybe hearing it makes it easier to digest?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGTEIO8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 21, 2016 11:54 AM  

To me it seems pretty obvious that if someone calls you a rape advocate they have no interest in dialectic nor the intellectual capacity for it. So,

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 21, 2016 11:55 AM  

So the only reason to engage them at all is to squish them like a bug using any means necessary.

Blogger Artemis Rand June 21, 2016 12:03 PM  

Ah yes, now I know who the (THEY) in "They Live" were referring to....

"I've got one that can see!" (Yeah, me!)

Blogger lowercaseb June 21, 2016 12:06 PM  

They'll start with rhetoric, then try to retreat to pseudo-dialectic; don't fall for it, just stick with the rhetoric. If it wasn't working, they wouldn't be retreating.

2016 is going to be a great year. We are seeing the hegemony of the PC crumbling before our eyes.

Would this be considered the Alt-Right Spring?

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra June 21, 2016 12:06 PM  

It is very important to expose these frightening pedophiles.

Of course the dark lord is banned, he won.

Anonymous SciVo June 21, 2016 12:07 PM  

@2: Different people learn differently. The ideal pedagogy would use text, illustration, spoken words and even kinesthetic interaction. Use whatever works for you, with enthusiasm and without self-consciousness. Just learn.

Blogger lowercaseb June 21, 2016 12:10 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:And they always end with a flourish: by bravely blocking you. That'll teach you, Vox!

You are right...I take back my previous comment and descend into despair.

We are doomed! How can we ever win if we can't view or comment on @AvramMeitner's Tweets?

Blogger Worlds Edge June 21, 2016 12:12 PM  

#2 (sorry, I have no clue how to do the embed reference thing) You can save yourself a few bucks by getting this audiobook for free off of librivox...

https://librivox.org/rhetoric-by-aristotle/

Completely legal, of course, since it is public domain.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 21, 2016 12:17 PM  

Learning this stuff, as well as how to effectively employ it, is such a daunting task. I just have to keep pressing on because I know I can. If Schilling can pitch with a bloody ankle then I can learn this stuff.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar June 21, 2016 12:17 PM  

LOL.

Thanks for that. I ditched Twitter.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 21, 2016 12:18 PM  

What is an "anonymous rape advocate" anyway? Someone who anonymously advocates rape, or someone who advocates anonymous rape? Poor excuse for an insult.

Blogger VD June 21, 2016 12:21 PM  

To me it seems pretty obvious that if someone calls you a rape advocate they have no interest in dialectic nor the intellectual capacity for it.

Exactly. Anyone who leads with rhetoric never merits dialectic.

Blogger Ceasar June 21, 2016 12:21 PM  

While I am against banning free speech, no matter how revolting, how in the F... did this tool not get banned on Twatter for endorsing/promoting child rape? Meanwhile, Twatter is all but testing the waters trying to ban Milo forever...

Anonymous andon June 21, 2016 12:22 PM  

what kind of ethnicity is an "Avram Meitner"?

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 21, 2016 12:24 PM  

Brutal.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 21, 2016 12:24 PM  

"Anyone who leads with rhetoric never merits dialectic."

THIS right here!

Anonymous True SJW June 21, 2016 12:25 PM  

What is an "anonymous rape advocate" anyway?

Well! If you REALLY CARED about RAPE you’d KNOW because it’s so OBVIOUS.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 21, 2016 12:25 PM  

Brilliant display of dominance, a chinless cuck would have apologized and begged for a chance to sound smart

Anonymous andon June 21, 2016 12:29 PM  

@#2 haus vrau - a few Rhetoric by Aristotle audiobooks are avail for "free" on YouTube, fwiw.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra June 21, 2016 12:29 PM  

Thank you note:

I must be brief as there are rules to adhere to, I could email but opted not to - so the lessons here regarding the rhetoric versus dialectic saved last week when I successfully navigated out of a baby boomer fight, It was a complete objective disentanglement that left the other party whom uses cruel social dominance utterly silent - I walked away for the first time in 20 years without incidence, All I had to do opt for the dia over the rhe.

Anonymous Big Bill June 21, 2016 12:30 PM  

I wouldn't sweat it, Vox. First, your kid/s are too old. Second, the amputation, d!ck-sucking, and herpes thing is strictly reserved for Jewish babies, not gentile babies.

Google "metzitzah b'peh herpes".

Anonymous Smile Of The Shadow June 21, 2016 12:36 PM  

Good work, Lord Vox! Here's mine:

TRUMP HATER: I don't think we're that far gone. I think Trump gave an opening to the worst parts of our country and they think their behavior is acceptable. They'll find out soon enough that the majority of Americans are repulsed by the things they espouse. If I thought most of the country actually thought the same, I don't think I could stay. Canada would be seriously calling. Part of your fear may be where you live. Down south is a totally different animal.
Like · Reply · 3 mins

SMILEOFTHESHADOW The left is the worst parts of our country. Trump supporters don't go around in mobs threatening and beating people on the streets so they shut up and don't have a voice. Anti-Trump people do. The Trump supporters don't post nasty stuff equating a businessman who's out of the system to a fascist dictator, which in crazies peoples minds makes them justified in trying to assassinate him. The Trump haters do, and now that is showing off as someone has attempted to assassinate him. It's very ugly out there, and the left needs to reign themselves in. They've proven incapable of doing so when we're nice, so we respond now, and then the left cries about it as if it's not fair. Everything the left says Trump and supporters are is actually true about the left x10. That's the real problem.

And blocked :) There can be no quarter.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 21, 2016 12:43 PM  

That's a good beatdown!

They really can't handle it when you don't react to their pitiful insults and virtue signalling in the way they expect.

Blogger Scott C June 21, 2016 12:44 PM  

That was a one-punch (rhetorical) KO. Nice work!

Blogger Rabbi B June 21, 2016 12:51 PM  

Twitter is the rhetorician's dojo, and Vox is its undisputed sensei.

(*bows to sensei*)

Blogger Doom June 21, 2016 12:54 PM  

Steel-toed electronic datum to the dingles. Check. I love watching you do that.

Do it again, daddy!

Blogger VFM #7634 June 21, 2016 12:57 PM  

(((Avram Meitner)))

Although, the fewer Europeans spouting this crap, the better.

Anonymous Northwest Watching Thing June 21, 2016 12:58 PM  

"how in the F... did this tool not get banned on Twatter for endorsing/promoting child rape?"

The original tweet, Meitner is criticizing the Jewish practice circumcision. Vox took it completely out of context, the full context it didn't appear he is advocating it, but is actually against it. But considering SJWs always project, it's actually more accurate Vox's way.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker June 21, 2016 1:05 PM  

"Avram Meitner ‏@AvramMeitner
When a rape advocate is exposed, they naturally rely on dishonesty to squirm out of it.

Supreme Dark Lord @voxday
Exactly. You falsely accused me. I accurately quoted you."

SJWs are self-programmed to dish it out so they never have to take it.

Then along comes someone who knows how to get inside their guard and land the rhetorical equivalent of hard shots to the body.

Note to Avram: The U.S. Department of Narrative Enforcement called. They want their money back.




Blogger Gaiseric June 21, 2016 1:05 PM  

@25: A bit long-winded, but effective. If you want to be more efficient, simply say: "Why Canada? What's wrong with Mexico?"

Anonymous Smile Of The Shadow June 21, 2016 1:09 PM  

@33: I guess I do make the mistake of still trying to be rational. I need to learn from Daddy President and get tweet sized comments.

Blogger Starbuck June 21, 2016 1:12 PM  

Wow... That was swift and brutally honest. I truly enjoyed that one.. Well Done, Mr. Day. Your Rhetoric Fu is very good.

Please, let me ask a stupid question. I have looked it up and it still doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean by "dialectic"?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 21, 2016 1:18 PM  

@35
There is a video on Dialectic vs. Rhetoric on YouTube created by "lariviere2000". I'm watching it right now. It's straight forward; about seven minutes long. Here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VshilWPYwUg

Blogger Gaiseric June 21, 2016 1:25 PM  

@34: I have that flaw too. I'm a native dialectic speaker, and my rhetoric is halting and heavily accented. But this has been a great year for advancing that skill very quickly.

Anonymous andon June 21, 2016 1:36 PM  

@ #36 - thanks for that

Blogger lowercaseb June 21, 2016 1:40 PM  

Starbuck wrote:
Please, let me ask a stupid question. I have looked it up and it still doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean by "dialectic"?


I'll take a shot...there are better definitions but dialectic for me usually means "Appealing to Facts", "Calm, reasoned debate."

Basically argument where you stick to what you think are facts and try to keep opinion and emotion out of the equation.

oh...I'm glad I cut this comment and refreshed the page. Al from Bay Shore's video answers the question quite well. I'll still submit the comment since it is good to get other people's ideas on what the concept means.

Plus, if I get it wrong, the beat down from the other commenters will be brutal, but very instructive.

Anonymous Susan June 21, 2016 1:41 PM  

Luckily for all of us, there will never be a shortage of SJW twits that Tweet so the entertainment will continue until Vox decides otherwise. All hail the Supreme Dark Lord!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 21, 2016 1:54 PM  

Avram Meitner is definitely Jewish, maybe Israeli.

POUNDED IN THE BUTT BY HIS OWN PETARD.

Blogger Starbuck June 21, 2016 1:57 PM  

All hail the Supreme Dark Lord! - Susan

I would say Vox Day is very intelligent and seems to have a to send these SJW 'tards into screaming triggered fits which is very entertaining... He is not my lord at all. And I have followed him since just after Bush became president. I originally found him doing a column on WND. He is however very good at this shutting the leftist twits the hell up. That talent I would LOVE to have.

Blogger haus frau June 21, 2016 1:59 PM  

Well now I feel silly. I ordered it and it shipped. Not sure if it's returnable. I needed a cd copy to use on a radio when I rent a commercial kitchen. There are some open borders sperg on the something pcp fb pages I want to bury.

Blogger VD June 21, 2016 1:59 PM  

Please, let me ask a stupid question. I have looked it up and it still doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean by "dialectic"?

Read SJWs Always Lie. There is an entire chapter that goes into a fair amount of detail on the subject.

Anonymous SciVo June 21, 2016 2:18 PM  

@36: He's kind of dorky, but I think correct in his presentation. And what's this in the suggested videos to the side?

On The Front - Episode 6: SJW’s Always Lie - A Review of Vox Day’s Critique of the Thought Police

His phrase "lunatic theory of white privilege" suddenly caused me to realize that this anti-white psychotic racist bigotry has its basis in elitist humblebragging. "Yeah, I'm totes awesome, but it's just because I'm white. Racial privilege. Can't help it, just born that way. Don't h8."

Anonymous e.r. June 21, 2016 2:25 PM  

@30
"The original tweet, Meitner is criticizing the Jewish practice circumcision. Vox took it completely out of context, the full context it didn't appear he is advocating it, but is actually against it."

"Exactly. You falsely accused me. I accurately quoted you." - VD

Meitner started the twisting first. VD clearly knew what Meitner meant. the tactic here is reciprocating the twisting.

If your opponents won't exercise decency in granting you latitude for understanding, don't do the same for them.



Blogger Starbuck June 21, 2016 2:31 PM  

Read SJWs Always Lie. There is an entire chapter that goes into a fair amount of detail on the subject.-VD

Ok, Thanks... I will do that.

Blogger Astrosmith June 21, 2016 2:51 PM  

So do they realize that if you block one twitter account, that doesn't prevent the person you blocked from using a different twitter account to see their stuff?

Blogger Artemis Rand June 21, 2016 2:58 PM  

Yet, (they) wonder why Mein Kampf has become so popular again....

Hell, I am reading it for the first time and I'm overwhelmed with how much sense it makes...

Blogger Roy Lofquist June 21, 2016 3:11 PM  

I have a kind of perverted hobby. I feed the trolls. I agree with them. I counter their rhetoric with dialectic. Then lead them down a rabbit hole. Last week I managed to get a Trump hater into a discussion about the Quantum Enigma and Godel's incompleteness theorems. It went on for three days, long after the rest of the folks were long gone.

It's my way of performing random acts of kindness. I tied up the troll for three days, three days that he wasn't out shitting on as many threads as he could find.

Blogger Arthur Isaac June 21, 2016 3:22 PM  

I don't get the obsession over anonymity. Do they just need our real names so they can fix us or is it just an ad hominem attack suggesting that our arguments are invalid because we don't want to be harassed?

This guy used his real name but is such and insignificant twit that nobody really cares...

Anonymous andon June 21, 2016 3:31 PM  

42. Blogger haus frau June 21, 2016 1:59 PM
Well now I feel silly. I ordered it and it shipped. Not sure if it's returnable.


nah, don't feel silly.

when I said its "free" on YouTube I meant its free to steal because its prob still under some kind of copyright.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 21, 2016 3:42 PM  

They think it gives them more credibility. "I stand behind what I say. Anons are just trolls and cowards"

Sure, pal, since you know you will never have to pay a penalty for saying it.

Blogger VD June 21, 2016 3:49 PM  

I don't get the obsession over anonymity. Do they just need our real names so they can fix us or is it just an ad hominem attack suggesting that our arguments are invalid because we don't want to be harassed?

They want you to reveal your name so they can try to get you fired.

Blogger Jimmy The Freak June 21, 2016 4:16 PM  

@32 Don't forget to tack the derisive "Racist!" on the end of that to drive the point home.

Blogger Arthur Isaac June 21, 2016 4:33 PM  

@ VD, my post should have said dox not "fix". I get that. I had a RooshV proselyte do it the other day and I don't expect a dox from that direction. Seems like when the alt-right does it they are using it as an ad hominem. But then when you point out the left's propensity for SJW attacks they still play ignorant.

Maybe the one i got I to it with just IS ignorant.

Blogger Arthur Isaac June 21, 2016 4:34 PM  

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Blogger Akulkis June 21, 2016 4:41 PM  

@5

Yes, it is very interesting how "They Live" didn't make any descriptions about any group, yet upon its release, there was an immediate, and wide-ranging and persistent whine from the Jews about how it was so anti-Semetic.

The first time I saw it, I never saw in the movie the slightest inclination that it was about any particular group. However, after seeing Gentleman's Agreement, and seeing "They Live" again, it's obvious that these are the cries of a group of people with huge amounts of repressed guilt for their own behavior.

Strange how no Irish in this country claimed that it was anti-Irish, nor did the Italians claim it was an anti-Italian movie....

As someone in the 1930's said, "You can call [one of them] a liar, a thief, a rapist, any filthy name in the book, and they won't care. But [note their ethno-religious connections] and they shriek in horror."

Blogger Akulkis June 21, 2016 4:43 PM  

@11

" If Schilling can pitch with a bloody ankle then I can learn this stuff."

....and plot his next ASL move between innings!

Blogger Akulkis June 21, 2016 5:32 PM  

@49

"It's my way of performing random acts of kindness. I tied up the troll for three days, three days that he wasn't out shitting on as many threads as he could find."

Awesome, Roy.

Tying up their time is taking away their biggest resource.

That's one reason why they always demand that when they spout some bullshit without supporting evidence, that YOU provide evidence to prove them wrong -- so that YOU spend all of YOUR time (not theirs) hunting down the evidence - while they go off and do more drive-by leftism-regurgitations on other threads, while you're still immobilized, looking up the information.

My response to their demands for evidence is always a link to a search engine.

Blogger Noah B June 21, 2016 5:57 PM  

Let he who doesn't have a pinned tweet about sucking baby dicks and infecting them with herpes cast the first stone.

Blogger Roy Lofquist June 21, 2016 6:53 PM  

@Akulkis,

"so that YOU spend all of YOUR time (not theirs) hunting down the evidence"

Well, I've got all the time in the world. I'm retired and single. And in all those years I've watched some real artists play the game.

It's kind of like fishing. You've got to drop the fly in the right place and make it look like a real fly. Then you've got to set the hook at just the right time with just the right force. The good fisherman is not as skinny as the amateur nimrod.

Blogger Roy Lofquist June 21, 2016 7:08 PM  

@Akulkis,

And as to me doing all the research I drag them off to subjects that I know forwards and backwards and already have all the links bookmarked.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau June 21, 2016 7:28 PM  

It's PeeWee Herman master debate tactics for SJW's: "I know you are but what am I?"

Blogger SemiSpook37 June 21, 2016 8:48 PM  

Guess I need to get the book now. It amazes me how ignorant some of these SJWs are. I usually end up blocking them because I just want to segregate myself from the inanity. Seems to work well.

Anonymous Eric the Red June 21, 2016 8:57 PM  

Vox, what rhetoric would you have used if ijit Meitner hadn't handed you such great ammunition to use against him? I.e, what if he hadn't made any juicy tweets?

Anonymous Satan's Hamster June 21, 2016 9:45 PM  

"I don't think I could stay. Canada would be seriously calling."

Why are American SJWs so convinced that Canada will let them in? Just because the US government refuses to enforce immigration laws doesn't mean the rest of the world does the same.

Blogger Lazarus June 21, 2016 10:26 PM  

Smile Of The Shadow wrote:f I thought most of the country actually thought the same, I don't think I could stay. Canada would be seriously calling.

Go to Toronto. Its full of idiots who think they live in a "world class" city.

If you want to be educated about nationalism , go to Montreal.

If you like Chinese, go to Vancouver.

If you want paradise, go to Victoria.
Just don't try to screw it up with your stupid ideas.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 21, 2016 10:39 PM  

Love Victoria. It's like a 19th century English seaside village.

Blogger rtp June 21, 2016 10:50 PM  

"Learning this stuff, as well as how to effectively employ it, is such a daunting task. I just have to keep pressing on because I know I can. If Schilling can pitch with a bloody ankle then I can learn this stuff."

Why is this hard?

It seems obvious to me.

Someone attacks you then instead of defending yourself you counter attack. Because the person attacking you is doing so dishonestly (science fetishists, vaccine fanatics, SJWs, etc) you can *always* use their own logic against them.

Blogger Roy Lofquist June 21, 2016 10:54 PM  

@rtp,

Agree with them, smile and walk away. It drives them crazy.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 21, 2016 10:57 PM  

Find a message board to practice rhetoric.
BB is great for it.
Probably many others.

Blogger residentMoron June 22, 2016 12:38 AM  

You see, RapeRape?

Pinned, and flanked.

That's how it's fucking done.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 22, 2016 1:17 AM  

Avram Meitner ‏
This is truly one fucked up individual.
I can't put it any nicer than that,sorry.

Blogger Lucas June 22, 2016 2:39 AM  

LOL Very well handled Voxman.

Like I said in the past, these are some of my favourite posts in your blog.

God bless.

Blogger JP June 22, 2016 4:10 AM  

The 4th Law of SJW is

"SJW's always block you on Twitter"

Blogger Owen June 25, 2016 1:27 PM  

It would have really driven him crazy if you had quoted (((Avram Meitner)))

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