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Thursday, June 23, 2016

UK independence results

This is an open thread to discuss the UK referendum on the European Union. The general tone of the media is that it is going to be a close 52-48 vote for Remain. If so, the failure of Scotland to secede from the Kingdom will prove very costly for England.

The best place to track results is at the Guardian.

UPDATE: So far, REMAIN vote in Scottish and N Ireland strongholds is weaker than expected. It's looking good for LEAVE barring big Remain overperformance in London.

UPDATE 2: Scotland has smaller margins with smaller turnouts than predicted. If there are 2-3 more big Leave overperformances, we can safely conclude Leave will win.

UPDATE 3: Turnout in LEAVE areas is 10 percent higher than reported. Basildon votes 2:1 for leave. That's the first overperformance. At this point, we can begin to conclude Leave will win.

UPDATE 4: Second biggest city in Wales, Swansea, narrowly votes Leave. It's a strong Labour city, and indicates Wales is overall going to vote Leave. That's the second overperformance for Leave. I now conclude the result will be 55 Leave 45 Remain.

UPDATE 5: Prof. Thrasher forecasts 56 Leave 44 Remain result on Sky News on the basis of current returns vs pre-vote estimates. However, first Remain outperformance appears in Oxford.

UPDATE 6: First bad sign for Leave. First two London authorities are at 69 percent turnout, 76 percent Remain. However, Glasgow turnout was only 56 percent.

Very amusing to see how the talking heads on TV simply don't understand the significance of turnout. And with that, I'll turn it over to you all to track how it goes. I'm optimistic, but I'm not certain. I would have felt much more confident about Leave winning if the first London turnout had been under 65 percent.

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Blogger The Gray Man June 23, 2016 5:14 PM  

Vox wrote: "If so, the failure of Scotland to secede from the Kingdom will prove very costly for England."

Can you elaborate for an American?

I am guessing either:
(1) Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, or
(2) Scotland hates the EU and will do something crazy to get out of the UK.

But it might be something else. Anyway, thanks.

Anonymous VFM #7916 June 23, 2016 5:15 PM  

You know that sovereignty you had, UK?

Aaaaaaaaaand it's gone.

Anonymous Case June 23, 2016 5:15 PM  

There's no way the globalists were going to allow Great Britain to break free by "voting". There's only one way to shake off tyranny.

,...been that way since day 1.

Blogger M. Bibliophile June 23, 2016 5:19 PM  

If so, the stage is set for the next act.

Think Macbeth.

Blogger M. Bibliophile June 23, 2016 5:20 PM  

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Blogger Brian S June 23, 2016 5:21 PM  

nothing weird about voting in pencil right?

Blogger George M. Bryce June 23, 2016 5:21 PM  

I just voted leave tonight \m/ there are a lot of SJW globalists here mind you x\ grrr...

Blogger Salt June 23, 2016 5:22 PM  

"The problem with Scotland is it's full of Scotts. Send the immigrants there."

Anonymous Goodnight June 23, 2016 5:23 PM  

If so, the failure of Scotland to secede from the Kingdom will prove very costly for England.

Yeah Vox, I had that conversation with my wife last night. We saw the polling maps showing Scotland voting overwhelmingly for Remain and it was pretty obvious that Britain without Scotland would leave easily. There will be a lot more bad blood between the English and Scots if Remain pulls this off.

Anonymous Slowpoke June 23, 2016 5:26 PM  

Saw a report that Nigel Farage had conceded that the vote went remain.

Blogger JACIII June 23, 2016 5:30 PM  

This is the last chance Britain will get to leave peacefully, barring total EU economic collapse.

They leave now or there are going to be a bunch who follow Anders Brevik.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 23, 2016 5:31 PM  

Farage expressed less than optimistic sentiments. Part of me is very down about this. Another part of me is upbeat and saying "Yo!, watch what happens next, it's gonna be hilarious. Keep your head up bro!"

Blogger The East Mercian June 23, 2016 5:32 PM  

Gray Man, Scotland loves the European Union. They should really have voted for leave, that way they'd have gotten a second independence referendum.

Blogger Thomas Bell June 23, 2016 5:34 PM  

Enter the Second Great Soviet Union.

Anonymous Kel-Tec PF9 June 23, 2016 5:36 PM  

Scotland is a bunch of leftoids they make California look like like Utah. Remember the SNP wanted to leave the UK and stay in the EU, so Scots nationalists will be voting remain while English nationalists will be voting leave.

Blogger The East Mercian June 23, 2016 5:40 PM  

This. Scottish nationalism is rooted in the same inferiority complex that motivates leftism generally. They are united by what they hate (England) not what they love (independence or even Scotland).

Blogger David-2 June 23, 2016 5:42 PM  

I can't understand why the England wanted Scotland to remain in the UK.

Blogger Stilicho June 23, 2016 5:42 PM  

Time to rebuild Hadrian's wall...

Blogger David Power June 23, 2016 5:43 PM  

Scotland voted to remain in the United Kingdom in their independence referendum only to see a huge surge in support for the Scotish Independence Party in the General Election that followed.

If this can be repeated by United Kingdom Independence Party come the next GE, they could very well hold the balance of power.

However, for this to be possible, Nigel Farage must stay on as leader. Interestingly, despite the disappointing result, he is the only Party Political Leader who's personal poll rating increased during the campaign.

Anonymous Broken Arrow June 23, 2016 5:44 PM  

I bet the overwhelming majority of first generation immigrants who could vote on the issue voted to stay in the EU.

Blogger The East Mercian June 23, 2016 5:44 PM  

There is a joke in Britain that the Scottish Nationalist Party could field candidates successfully in England. Many of us would have loved for them to go. Decades of wealth transfer north of the border has left Englishmen resentful and Scots entitled.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 5:49 PM  

live coverage from sky news

Anonymous Patron June 23, 2016 6:00 PM  

If so, the stage is set for the next act.

If Remain wins (gulp), I can see this only being a tactical defeat for Brexit. There's so much support for it that it's going to be very hard for future governments not to listen to them.

Not to mention the probable bump in UKIP support there'll be come the next GE.

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I can't understand why the England wanted Scotland to remain in the UK.

I can't recall if a majority of English wanted Scotland in or not, but for many (myself included), Scotland is a part of our country, like California or Texas are a part of the USA.

As above, I doubt a Remain victory will be the end of all this. Another Brexit attempt is quite possible (hey, if the SNP can demand another referendum 5mins after the last one, so can the Brexiteers :) ), and that's assuming the EU doesn't implode for other reasons.

Anonymous Bagger Vance June 23, 2016 6:02 PM  

After the dubious legitimacy of the Austrian presidential election, I was beginning to expect more shenanigans here for the EU.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2016 6:11 PM  

"Government can do anything & give us anything we want" is All Rabbit, a belief in unlimited resources.

The relatively recent phenomenon of central bank issuing infinite credit to political system, eliminating the need to woo tax PAYERS, is All Rabbit, a belief that resources are unlimited.

I think resources ARE limited, and that the success of the last 3-5 decades is but an illusion, a massive case of Bastiat's "What is Seen and What is Not Seen."

We don't know where will the limits be encountered, but that they exist is certain.

What is coming is the English Civil War, phase II, where people will blythely kill each other for holding the wrong political views.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2016 6:14 PM  

Those being asset-stripped (by open taxation or covert inflation) to simultaneously have generous welfare states & open borders will not sit still forever...or they will experience the cattle car ride without having to leave (home.)

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2016 6:18 PM  

Exit now or exit when the house of cards, built of credit and held together by nothing more than trust, collapses.

This year, next year, a decade from now, no financial system can last when it's so over-dependent on IOU's.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 6:20 PM  

The problem with Scotland is it's full of Scotts.

oblig: Scots ruined Scotland

Blogger Positive Dennis June 23, 2016 6:20 PM  

Here is a link to my blog which links to a discussion of election rigging.

http://www.prophecypodcast.com/journal/2016/6/22/how-likely-are-the-election-results.html

I wonder if any non-elite candidate can ever overcome the power of mass media and election rigging.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus June 23, 2016 6:21 PM  

@ 1 - I am guessing either:
(1) Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU


Yes. See this map for the essential breakdown of Brexit vs. Remain (the deeper the blue, the more support for Brexit).

Scotland is bright red. Meanwhile, England in general is pretty blue once you get outside the cities and college towns, but especially so in the two old Puritan corridors in East Anglia and the west Midlands which also opposed Charles I, Charles II, and gave more support to the American rebels during the Revolution.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2016 6:23 PM  

Leave or remain, this is exactly the same bimodal choice faced by those living in the shadow of Mt. Vesuvius as the crater smoked. Just because months pass with no change does not lower the risk of cataclysm.

Anonymous MendoScot June 23, 2016 6:23 PM  

The polls have been unreliable for a while, so I base my take on my own perceptions - 60-70% for leave.

That is unacceptable.

Thus the polls must give a head-to-head prediction so that when the vote is stolen (cf. Austria) it at least seems credible.

This is why it's important to maintain the momentum. They can steal the vote but not the population.

Anonymous MendoScot June 23, 2016 6:29 PM  

Whoa, people.

The SNP, a bunch of marxists, want separation from the UK to join the EU.

There would be a "fuck the English" vote from many, including my kin. But many also understand that England is the devil you know.

Anonymous Northern Observer June 23, 2016 6:30 PM  

This is a direct poll isn't it? And it's a simply majority to win?

How much more democratic could it be?

It will be a shame if they vote to remain. But a sham? I don't see it.

Anonymous Eduardo June 23, 2016 6:32 PM  

We all know how this ends.

Remain will win.

Mostly because of the new voters that turned out at the polls.

No they are not Immigrants.

They are young.

They are mostly leftwards thinking.

They are: Millenials.

Check the stats, and I believe no surprise, there will be.

Anonymous Lord Balfour June 23, 2016 6:34 PM  

Farage expressed less than optimistic sentiments. Part of me is very down about this. Another part of me is upbeat and saying "Yo!, watch what happens next, it's gonna be hilarious. Keep your head up bro!"

He purges "Anti-Semites" from his movement. This isn't very difficult.

Blogger Mike Romkey June 23, 2016 6:35 PM  

Just as a casual observer dwelling beside the Mississippi River:

1. It's hard to win a patriotic battle when "conservative" leaders side with the left. Cuckservatives indeed.

2. The level of craven self-interest at the expense of the nation (any nation, but Britain in this case) is breathtaking. Screw the people! Screw the nation! Up the establishment! An either flavor as the ruling party is just ducky. It puts me in mind of Hillary the other day excoriating Trump as the tool of Wall Street. She said what?

3. Immigration. A point that was hammered home with ferocious effectiveness in "Cuckservative." It's easy to identify with the "take our nation back" faction. The other side? Beneath contempt.

Blogger Revelation means hope June 23, 2016 6:37 PM  

how long have women had the vote in Britain?

And at what rate will they be voting for their burkahs and for more rapefugees?

Blogger allyn71 June 23, 2016 6:37 PM  

@25 I can't recall if a majority of English wanted Scotland in or not, but for many (myself included), Scotland is a part of our country, like California or Texas are a part of the USA.

I am pretty sure most "Americans" would be more than happy to get rid of Commiepornia.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 6:37 PM  

That it is close is why I expect Europe to fall to the Caliphate.
The Europeans simply don't exist (with the low birth rate). Those who do have been cucked.
I've not generally considered Europe since its more recent history I know in less detail than the USA, but I cannot think of anything which parallels the Great Awakenings, here.
As it requires a conversion of the heart and spirit more than the head, it is already a bad sign.
While I don't buy the "Book of Revelation" Antichrist predictions as it isn't going to plan, it seems as if they are choosing death and evil.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 6:39 PM  

The scare campaign was very effective. Not for the people who had already decided to vote "leave", but for the big mushy middle that doesn't pay much attention to politics. Status quo seems a smart move compared to some nonzero chance of economic calamity.

Of course, they're not really voting for status quo. The UK has been losing its sovereignty by dribs and drabs, and that will continue until it's just an administrative district like a US state. Neither "leave" nor "remain" is a vote for things to stay as they are.

Blogger RobertT June 23, 2016 6:40 PM  

Ross Parker, Hughie Charles & Vera Lynn were wrong. It looks like there won't always be an England. Oh Margaret, what a mistake.

Blogger Mike Romkey June 23, 2016 6:41 PM  

I agree with Eduardo about the miserable Millenials. Those -- can we swear here? -- people. Bernie's babies. Completely disinterested in anything except themselves and what they can get for "free" from Big Brother. But I still argue immigration as playing a key role. (I'll have to look up some stats on the UK.) If we had a plebiscite tomorrow to seal the US borders, who would be voting with the selfish, mush-headed young to let those poor people into our country where there is some decent welfare? Aside from the usual useful idiots, you know who.

Anonymous MendoScot June 23, 2016 6:43 PM  

Look at the number of politicos that are dumpy women with short hair. I saw this happening decades ago, which is why I left the UK. I keep hoping that they will choose a different path...

... but if not, I have my life far from them.

I was not allowed to vote, having been too long out of the country. But if all the Scots who left the UK still had the vote, the map would have been very different.

Anonymous Clay June 23, 2016 6:53 PM  

Hey! At least the English can be sure they still get to share an aircraft carrier with the frogs.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 23, 2016 6:54 PM  

A close loss during a time of relative peace and prosperity IMO the best result, will give it time for the alt-right to really learn and implement delegitimizing strategy

Anonymous Norton June 23, 2016 6:57 PM  

I would like to see a similar referendum held in every single EU country. Hopefully at least one nation would successfully vote leave. Possibly that one victory would inspire nationalism in other lands.

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 6:58 PM  

Sadly, not surprising, because 1) Scotland , 2) 'Asian' immigrants (take a look at London). Given 1) and 2), support for Leave amongst ethnic Brits must be much higher than 50%. So, Cameron gets his way, but at the cost of thoroughly alienating all true, red-blooded Englishmen.

This is very similar to the Quebec independence referendum in 1995, which came in at 49.5% Yes (we want to leave), 50.5% No (we don't). The No vote won because of the immigrant vote, the majority of whom had been settled in Quebec following the rise of separatism in the 1960s-70s. Jaques Parizeau, leader of the separatist party, pointed out the effect of the immigrant vote on denying his people their country, and was promptly howled out of office for his incompetence in losing the vote ... errr, no, because raaaaycisss (obviously).

So, look for the EU to insist that the UK take on even more immigration, in order to ensure that the English people are sufficiently diluted that such a vote will never happen again. But also ... look for the English to become profoundly alienated from their establishment. With any luck Ms. Cox will be the first of many.

OpenID denektenorsk June 23, 2016 7:00 PM  

Yes. See this map for the essential breakdown of Brexit vs. Remain (the deeper the blue, the more support for Brexit).

London is also pretty red, but then again it's less than half English these days. Cambridge, Birmingstan, Manchesterstan, Brighton, Liverpool... no surprise there.

The sad thing is the English will disperse and bring their shitty politics with them. We are already seeing more of them here.

Anonymous Raymondson June 23, 2016 7:01 PM  

I have a Canadian-born cousin teaching at the university of Edinburgh. He's been there for years and has two young children. I'm sure he was a great supporter of First Minister Sturgeon. Her party is a carbon copy of the socialist N.D.P. in Canada,which his dad supported. Now cousin is fighting against the Named Person scheme that the government is pushing on parents in Scotland. I hope he's realizing that a socialist government that gives you all the goodies can also take away so much - including the rights to your children. His dad was a schoolteacher in Canada and my dad used to call his dad an "educated idiot" . Now, history repeats itself.Next time I email my cousin I'll ask him about Brexit. Judging by that map I won't be too surprised by his answer.

Anonymous Eduardo June 23, 2016 7:01 PM  

I am trying to check ons.gov.uk to check for relevant stats... There are more muslim millenials then no-religion ... I laughed at you Dicky Dawks.

Anyways seems like a good place to start to find the cause of the result. And estimate something.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 7:03 PM  

@48 - converting a shrinking and aging weak population doesn't bode well when the enemy is sending millions of invaders. When they are have sufficient numbers, their "legitimacy" will be irrelevant.

“When you are unwilling to defend your right to your own lives, then you are like mice trying to ‘negotiate’ with owls. You regard their ways as ‘wrong.’ They regard you as dinner.” – Terry Goodkind

Halal long pork?

OpenID denektenorsk June 23, 2016 7:04 PM  

psychegram, as a person from the ROC ("Rest of Canada" for those from the US) I support Quebec Independence. There seems to be less appetite for that these days though? With chunks of bridges falling on streets and the Federal government preparing to borrow $60 billion to fund infrastructure projects... who can turn down all of that "free" money?

Blogger Cicatrizatic June 23, 2016 7:07 PM  

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Blogger Cicatrizatic June 23, 2016 7:08 PM  

It looks like this is going to be very close

Final Opinium Poll shows 45% Leave 44% Remain

City of Sunderland may come in at as much as 62% Leave, higher than expected

Newcastle votes Remain, but only by a two-point margin, much lower than expected

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 7:10 PM  

Will the cuckservative women in England wear Edmund Burkas?

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 7:11 PM  

@55 denektenorsk: yeah, I'm an Ontarian, and I've got no problem with Quebec separatism. They're a constant political headache and they cost the country money to keep in. They've got more right to a country than Scotland does ... Scotland CHOSE to join the UK, Quebec was conquered (hmm ... or do I have what gives a people a right to separate precisely backward? ;) )

Anonymous Joe June 23, 2016 7:13 PM  

This vote was about English nationalism. England is the only nation in the UK without a parliament, and they resent Scotland, Wales and NI for having their own assemblies. Brexit would have meant English domination again.

England is going to have to erect their own Parliament.

Anonymous George of the Jungle June 23, 2016 7:16 PM  

Don't be afraid, embrace the chaos, because equality (or something).

Anonymous Clay June 23, 2016 7:20 PM  

I, being the self-appointed representative of the United States, offer trade of Puerto Rico for Quebec.

We've got plenty of islands.

Blogger Noah B June 23, 2016 7:20 PM  

Glad to see Nigel Farage is keeping the right attitude. This is only a vote. No matter what, this isn't over.

Anonymous Bz June 23, 2016 7:24 PM  

Farage denies conceding, which is smart of him. Forcing a concession is just another way to sneak through the favoured decision without actually consulting the will of the voters. Even in the unserious way of voting the UK has about these things, it's still a good idea to remove some of the garbage stacked against it.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-23/farage-denies-conceding-we-havent-had-single-bloody-vote-counted-sp-futures-spike-10

At that point, it looked over. An hour later it looks a bit better:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-23/nailbiter-continues-here-are-first-official-results-and-they-give-bremain-some-hope

We'll see how it ends.

Blogger David Power June 23, 2016 7:27 PM  

The turnout is said to be massive. Far higher than the General Election.

First two big results Newcastle 49.3% Leave and Sunderland 61% Leave are far more than predicted and have already effected the value of the pound on the exchange markets.

Anonymous pneutral June 23, 2016 7:28 PM  

Results coming in. Odds are shifting.
The games afoot.

Blogger Noah B June 23, 2016 7:29 PM  

The pound has just taken a huge beating. Shades of the Rothschild manipulation of 1815?

Blogger David Power June 23, 2016 7:30 PM  

Pound down 6%

Anonymous MendoScot June 23, 2016 7:30 PM  

As I expected, the polls had been fixed to predict the desired outcome.

If the pattern continues, even a Leave vote will be killed in the early hours when no one is watching.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 7:33 PM  

It isn't over, just as it wasn't over with Vichy and Dunkirk, but it was not easy to be a member of the Resistance.
(Note: on Entertainment Weekly apparently the next Star Trek series will be fully converged. Where no man would care to go).
It shall fall, and we are likely to see Caracas on the Elbe, Rhine, Rubicon, Seine, and Thames.
The problem with the elites is they are building a new tower of babel, and not only will not succeed, but create another disaster that confuses and scatters mankind. The Mandarins in Asia are not only not exempt, but are more seriously infected.

But just as the rejection of Ron Paul led to Donald Trump (when the system is clearly broken and manipulated) if Brexit fails - and it still might not - something stronger but far less pleasant will come along.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 7:38 PM  

Whatever happened to the German massacre earlier today?

Anonymous MendoScot June 23, 2016 7:41 PM  

Aaaaaaand the cucks are already conceding.

Watch carefully who does it. They are the enemy.

Blogger David Power June 23, 2016 7:41 PM  

BBC give this story a cursory mention: Man convicted of planing to behead a Remembrance Day poppy seller on the streets of London: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36609694

If this judgment had been made yesterday it would have reminded people what this referendum is all about and very likely to have effected the vote. Coincidence?

Blogger Sithicus June 23, 2016 7:42 PM  

@11 "They leave now or there are going to be a bunch who follow Anders Brevik."

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Anonymous VFM #7916 June 23, 2016 7:42 PM  

@69

Last I saw only the gunman guy was killed. No other injuries; the "50+ wounded" stories were "exaggerated".

I don't know the race of the gunman dude. However, it has not been mentioned, so I assume it's middle eastern.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 23, 2016 7:44 PM  

Watching this "ish" closely! My sentiments were premature. Crawley and Sunderland seem to be "Leave". Waiting for London to come in. Regardless of the outcome, EU governance is going to take a MASSIVE hit.

Blogger Salt June 23, 2016 7:47 PM  

Live stream, Leave / Remain

http://news.sky.com/watch-live

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 7:50 PM  

I agree with Eduardo about the miserable Millenials. Those -- can we swear here? -- people. Bernie's babies. Completely disinterested in anything except themselves and what they can get for "free" from Big Brother.

The Millennials were heavily schooled, but not well educated. We allowed the Marxists to take over our schools and universities - is it any wonder we ended up with a generation of Marxists? I think you're being a bit hard on them. They're not more or less selfish than anyone else. But they have no understanding of the roots of their own culture because it's something they were never taught.

They've been taught to view every social and political issue through the "social justice" lens without placing any value on traditional concerns like freedom and privacy, and it's going to take a few decades for reality to deprogram them.

Blogger Nick S June 23, 2016 7:51 PM  

This is the proverbial canary in a coal mine. Who will be the beneficiary of the inevitable emboldening? The Nationalists or the Globalists?

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 7:52 PM  

@60 An indebted francophone province which, for all its many faults, is at least run by ethnonationalist whites, for a bankrupt hispanic territory? Nope, no deal. You're stuck with her. Especially as Quebec might still leave on her own. Can't see Puerto Rico voluntarily going their own way.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 7:54 PM  

Heh. I'd take Quebec for PR in a heartbeat, as long as they realized the rest of the country isn't going to put French on every sign.

Blogger VD June 23, 2016 7:55 PM  

The first Scottish results are in the 60/40 range. That and Newcastle tend to indicate Remain is underperforming. It's too soon, but if that holds true of other results, you'd say 53-47 Leave.

Blogger seeingsights June 23, 2016 7:57 PM  

Even if Brexit loses, I'm a long run optimist.
The forces against the globalists have come a long way. In the UK, it looks like at least 48 percent favor Brexit. I don't think we would have had that percentage 10-15 years ago.
In France, Le Pen, who favors exit of France from the EU, is considered the front runner in their next presidential election. I'm old enough to remember that the National Front Party got less than 4 percent of the vote in the early 1990s. Now, the Le Pen's National Front Party is a major political party in France.
Nationalist parties are a force to be reckoned with in Eastern and Southern Europe.
A populist-nationalist could be the next president of the United States.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 23, 2016 7:58 PM  

MP Chuka Umunna being interviewed now...I'm sure his ancestor fought on the Lancaster side, right?

Blogger Twisted Root June 23, 2016 7:59 PM  

Results so far Britain dividing along racial lines - London will swing it for Remain.

Anonymous kfg June 23, 2016 8:00 PM  

"The Millennials were heavily schooled, but not well educated."

The Millennials were just the warm up. Wait ten more years and the crop currently being processed are going to be calling the Millennials misogynistic, ultra-right wing fascists.

And most of them will beyond help, no matter how many decades are put into the attempt. They're already damaged beyond repair by the time they leave grade school.

Anonymous kfg June 23, 2016 8:02 PM  

" . . . Britain dividing along racial lines . . ."

Go figure.

Anonymous VFM #7916 June 23, 2016 8:02 PM  

@76 and @84

This is why a 1 income traditional sex role family is so important.

Homeschool or die.

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 8:03 PM  

"Results so far Britain dividing along racial lines."

Race is a myth, you shitlord you.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean June 23, 2016 8:03 PM  

After the English conquered Quebec in 1760, they should have sent the frogs back to France. But it's too late for that now. The Quebecois are now a distinct nation, at least those of "pure laine". Quebec independence is the best choice.

Blogger James D. Miller June 23, 2016 8:07 PM  

Betting markets show 34% chance of exist.
https://electionbettingodds.com/brexit.html

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 8:09 PM  

"Britain without Scotland would leave easily."

There is no Britain without Scotland. An independent England would comfortably leave - but as part of the UK it is bound to the various Celtic parasites of which Scotland is in every respect the largest and most powerful .

I'm Scottish and voted for independence, motivated by the belief that it would force Scotland to grow the fuck up and shift to the right. The Scots are actually more culturally conservative on average than the rest of the UK - the association of the Conservative Party with 'Englishness' means the non lunatic-left vote has been split for decades allowing the Scottish Parliament to be dominated by various left wing parties. An independent Scotland would be in for a rude awakening but as saner political views became popular once the English bogeyman disappeared the prospects for the country would be fine medium-long term.

I also hoped that the breakup of the UK - which is inevitable, Scots and English have diverged irrevecobally in political outlook and national sentiment - would free England to leave the EU and to become the naturally conservative, default centre-right, nation it would be without the influence of left wing Scots.

The 'No' vote in the Scottish referendum was simply a delaying of the inevitable - as the demographic breakdown of the voters and the continuing weakening of a 'British' identity show quite clearly. The probable 'Remain' vote in this EU referendum is similar. The EU is an unsustainable project. The choice wasn't between quitting the EU and remaining permanently - the former will eventually happen - but between getting out early or choosing to remain part of the club while it enters it's painful death throes.

If there's one silver lining it's that the fact England was forced, against it's will, to remain part of the EU by the Celts will further encourage the development (or reawakening) of a distinctly 'English' patriotism - which has largely disappeared due to it's overlap with 'Britishness' and has been stopped from re-emerging by it's new association with 'racism' and 'xenophobia'.

Blogger David Power June 23, 2016 8:11 PM  

Torrential rain in London for most of the day seems to have caused the size of the London vote to be less than elsewhere in the country. Which should further favour Leave.

Anonymous Eduardo June 23, 2016 8:11 PM  

De-program millenials? You sure they will not update day-by-day and create a windows like mentality? A series of problems patched up just so it will work.

I mean, just imagine millenials 10, that support touchy behaviour, social justice 12 and the new reality goggles Leflus.

Only for 1999.99 credits.

Blogger Teri June 23, 2016 8:16 PM  

I am on a Facebook group for people with Springer Spaniels. Most of the folks are in the UK and it's not a political group. Folks like to write posts as if their dog is doing the talking.

Posted today about the dog and owner going to the polls to vote. Poll taker told them "Leave". Owner says "That's what we are here to do!". Followed by a brief discussion of dealing with "immigrants". I guess it's no surprise that dog owners would not want more Muslims.

Anonymous Alexander June 23, 2016 8:16 PM  

Results so far Britain dividing along racial lines

That there are "racial lines" in Britain...

Blogger Dave June 23, 2016 8:18 PM  

So when do they discover thousands of misplaced postal votes that are oddly 90% remain votes?

Anonymous FitzRobert June 23, 2016 8:19 PM  

Stay or go, this day makes me proud to be an Englishman (of the American variety). The foreign hordes in London and the socialists in Scotland may tip the vote to Remain, but England has clearly spoken Leave.

Blogger dfordoom June 23, 2016 8:19 PM  

@23. Patron

If Remain wins (gulp), I can see this only being a tactical defeat for Brexit.

Actually if Remain wins it will be the end of the road for Brexit. If the Brexiteers can't win this time they can never win. The demographics are against them long term, plus each new generation is more thoroughly indoctrinated than the previous one. This is Britain's last chance. If they blow it they deserve everything they're going to get.

If Remain wins it will be an opportunity for the globalists to crush any remaining spirit of independence. And they'll do so ruthlessly.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 8:20 PM  

Or, like Democrats in the US, they'll keep "finding" boxes of votes in districts that are heavily Democrat.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean June 23, 2016 8:20 PM  

If Scotland refuses to leave, can England vote to kick them out?

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 8:23 PM  

I would think the UK could kick them out, but surely the Scots would get a vote?

What a weird world we live in. Up until the 21st century the question was "How do we conquer the neighboring country?" These days the question is "How do we get rid of them?" Not being able to take their stuff and their women just takes all the fun out of it.

Blogger Rantor June 23, 2016 8:26 PM  

Still praying that Leave Wins! Hopefully that can be tomorrow's chant. #LeaveWins... Makes me all tingly just thinking about it...

Blogger Bard June 23, 2016 8:30 PM  

The world is split down the middle 49 to 51. There is no middle ground. Left vs right, remain vs stay, it doesn't change that whoever loses is near a majority. Frame it as good vs evil, and when 51 vote evil, what will the good men do? Cuck (verb) or fight? Squeeze and pee or fight?

Blogger Bard June 23, 2016 8:30 PM  

Squee

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean June 23, 2016 8:32 PM  

@100 Bob

Times have indeed changed. If REMAIN wins, perhaps England should vote to leave Britain!

English Independence Day.



Anonymous Rolf June 23, 2016 8:33 PM  

But is the "Leave" vote count lead more or less than the margin of fraud in the large cities, once they know how many more dead bodies they need to get to the polls retroactively?

That said - I hope, I really hope, the LEAVE vote wins solidly.

Blogger Bard June 23, 2016 8:35 PM  

Squee

Blogger Bard June 23, 2016 8:36 PM  

The world is split down the middle 49 to 51. There is no middle ground. Left vs right, remain vs stay, it doesn't change that whoever loses is near a majority. Frame it as good vs evil, and when 51 vote evil, what will the good men do? Cuck (verb) or fight? Squeeze and pee or fight?

Blogger VD June 23, 2016 8:36 PM  

Results so far Britain dividing along racial lines - London will swing it for Remain.

Scottish turnout is low. Northern Ireland turnout is low. If London turnout is low as well, Leave will win.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean June 23, 2016 8:36 PM  

I've got money on LEAVE.

That's in addition to my Trump bets.

Yes, I'll go to Gamblers Anonymous.

But not yet.

Blogger David Power June 23, 2016 8:40 PM  

All this talk of a UK break up is sheer fantasy. Now that the oil price collapsed any talk by the Scotish Independence Party is pure bluff.

The numbers were already dubious but now they would be effectively voting themselves into third world status.

It will not happen.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 8:40 PM  

@88 The problem with Quebec is not that it is a separate nation, it is that it insists (and has in living memory - Detroit was next to Windsor, and Channel 9 had the CBC) that the rest of Canada be bilingual while they remain pure.

I had not thought of it, but Canada is the perfect prototype of what is and will happen to US and the EU. An invasive minority manages to browbeat the cucks into passing laws to make things "equal" while at the same time they insist on a pure enclave.

Stephen Crowder I think has discussed it.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 8:43 PM  

If Leave wins, they will need to throw the EUtopians and refugees into the Chunnel and seal their end.

Anonymous MendoScot June 23, 2016 8:46 PM  

Dave wrote:So when do they discover thousands of misplaced postal votes that are oddly 90% remain votes?



Too late for a recount, of course.

Watch and see, the game is still on and over-confidence may have sunk them.

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 8:47 PM  

"If Scotland refuses to leave, can England vote to kick them out?"

No. England could choose to vote for it's independence from the UK (thus ending it - as would be the case if Scotland had voted for independence) but they could not vote to eject another part of the country. The English need to wake up and realise the 'British' identity so many of them still, to some extent, hold dear is generally despised in every other part of the country.

The grand 'British' identity so many English think of almost completely disappeared in the other parts of the UK over the 70s, 80s, 90s 00s.

Blogger Salt June 23, 2016 8:51 PM  

Vote count shenanigans...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaLcb1S5mvs

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 8:56 PM  

@111 Federal rules in Canada require the Federal government to be bilingual. This says nothing about matters at lower levels (provincial, municipal, etc.), and indeed the provinces by and large don't even notice the bilingualism.

So far as I know that all started as AngloCanada trying to sweet-talk the French out of separating. "See honey, we'll even learn your language!" Beta for sure (that's Canada for you), but you can't blame Quebec for that.

You can't really call them invasive, either. We conquered them, not vice versa, and they more or less keep themselves to themselves. Musloids they're not.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean June 23, 2016 8:57 PM  

#111 TZ, good point about the bilingual thing. It is particularly stark in the Federal Civil Service where French is pretty much a requirement to get a job.

However, I'm not sure if bilingualism in the ROC was as big a deal to most Quebecers as it was to Pierre Trudeau.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 8:58 PM  

While watching the results, I cannot help think of the latter portions of "That Hideous Strength". The ads say it would be N.I.C.E to remain. Perhaps the spell has broken.

In revelation there is a passage about the tree of life where the "Leaves are for the healing of the nation".

Otherwise we will continue to see EUgenics.

Blogger Bard June 23, 2016 8:58 PM  

Now, how do we start Texit?

Anonymous Hrw-500 June 23, 2016 8:59 PM  

@115 Salt
"Vote count shenanigans...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaLcb1S5mvs"


I guess there's also some dead people voting there too in the UK...

Slightly off-topic but I spotted these blog posts from Mike Smith's blog and the fan had been hit by "road apples" very hard in South Africa.
http://mikesmithspoliticalcommentary.blogspot.ca/2016/06/pretoria-burning.html
http://mikesmithspoliticalcommentary.blogspot.ca/2016/06/who-will-restore-order-in-rainbow-nation.html

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2016 8:59 PM  

Interesting. The voted count is tight at the moment with Leave showing a narrow margin of a lead.

What does Brit voter turn out usually look like?

On our side of the pond it runs to about 50% of eligible voters.

Anonymous Faceless June 23, 2016 9:00 PM  

Someday, baby, you'll be my lady. I know that it won't be long. We ain't got no more misery...

I guess I'll be staying up to see if I get to play my favorite track from Fireball. I was pretty down on this earlier, but I guess that's just the usual media crap trying to make a story. Take your freedom, Angles!

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 9:05 PM  

"All this talk of a UK break up is sheer fantasy. Now that the oil price collapsed any talk by the Scotish Independence Party is pure bluff.

The numbers were already dubious but now they would be effectively voting themselves into third world status.

It will not happen."

Mate if you thought the drive for Independence was based on oil prices alone you're mistaken. The 70s, when the Oil first became a major factor, the debate was indeed largely rational. A large (probably majority) number of Scots still also identified as 'British' at this time. This is far from the case now.

The 'No' vote won the Independence referendum due to the loyalty of the older generations to the idea of the UK they grew up in. The younger generations were comfortably for independence. I don't say this as any kind of nationalist - the SNP are a bunch of left wing, grievance mongering, lunatics.

Scotland will inevitably split form the UK not because of any single (or combination) of economic factors but simply because there has been an almost total split in terms of identity and worldview between the English and the Scots.

Blogger Bard June 23, 2016 9:07 PM  

Now, how do we start Texit?

Anonymous John V. Marsch June 23, 2016 9:07 PM  

Still to early to call. Less than 2 million votes counted out of a predicted 33.5 million or so. Leave looking good, however.

Scotland and Northern Ireland firmly for Remain, but early Welsh votes seem to be for Leave, which is unexpected.

Clearly shaping up as a terrible result for the Labour Party, who supported Remain, which is being decisively rejected in their northern industrial heartlands. It's been a trend for a while, with UKIP eating into their votes, but freed of party affiliations, which go back many decades, it's clear that their traditional voters no longer support them.

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 9:07 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Interesting. The voted count is tight at the moment with Leave showing a narrow margin of a lead.

What does Brit voter turn out usually look like?

On our side of the pond it runs to about 50% of eligible voters.


Brit voter turnout over last few decades has been 50-60% on average for general elections (if memory serves). The Scottish Independence referendum was a pretty fantastic 90% give or take. This referendum was predicted to be higher than GE average but would be extremely surprised if it came close to Scottish IndyRef. Would expect this one to be 60-75 turnout.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 9:08 PM  

@117 one of the common themes of the Royal Canadian Air Farce was Trudeau forming a dynasty/monarchy. We beat Canada to it with Bush, but they are managing to catch-up.
@116 "invasive" depends - you can say you conquer a locale, but just as taking over an area with kudzu, zebra mussels, fire ants, or africanized bees, if they spread and dominate your home area, I have to wonder who invaded whom. Quebec is still almost pure Francios, the rest of Canada including places like the Yukon are officially bilingual.
Normally in any sane, rational definition of conquest, Quebec would be speaking the Queen's English better than Jamaicans. Instead from BC to Nova Scotia, French is pushed (where is NAFTA when you need it?). The scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail laying siege to the French castle comes to mind.

Blogger The Gray Man June 23, 2016 9:08 PM  

I'm scared turnout from London and other big cities will be the killer.

Blogger David Power June 23, 2016 9:09 PM  

Leave result now ahead on some betting sites for the first time.

Anonymous LLC June 23, 2016 9:09 PM  

Brexit took a huge lead on the betting sites - a 21 point swing in the last hour.

https://electionbettingodds.com/brexit.html

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 9:10 PM  

"UPDATE 4: Second biggest city in Wales, Swansea, narrowly votes Leave. It's a strong Labour city, and indicates Wales is overall going to vote Leave. That's the second overperformance for Leave. I now conclude the result will be 55 Leave 45 Remain."

Goddamn...Wales is hardcore Left - it's the one part of the country I expected to go stronger for Remain than my own (Scotland). I was ready to go to bed 2 hours ago accepting the Cathedral had won but decided to crack open some gin instead.

"It's the hope that kills you."

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 9:11 PM  

Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

The polls were off, but you shouldn't put all your Asks in one Brexit.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 9:12 PM  

My-nority is not Your-nority.

Blogger David Power June 23, 2016 9:12 PM  

Leave has shifted from 8/1 to 1/2 on the betting exchanges.

Blogger Elocutioner June 23, 2016 9:13 PM  

Looks like this link has been updating every five minutes or so (maybe as each region reports?) Currently 54/46 for LEAVE, 9.7% reported.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/leave-or-remain-eu-referendum-results-and-live-maps/

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 23, 2016 9:14 PM  

Seen elsewhere...

"Just cuck my tea up"

Anonymous kfg June 23, 2016 9:15 PM  

There are Englishmen in the West Midlands. Bilston 68% leave.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster June 23, 2016 9:17 PM  

"Goddamn...Wales is hardcore Left - it's the one part of the country I expected to go stronger for Remain than my own (Scotland)."

That's exactly what I'd expect to see.

The working class have been hardest hit by EU membership, as their jobs have either moved to cheaper parts of Europe, or cheaper European immigrants have been shipped in to replace them.

They're also the ones who see non-EU immigrants dumped in their towns. And the ones whose children are being gang-raped by rapefugees. So they're not exactly in favour of immigration in general.

Back when Labour was a working-class party, rather than the party of welfare tourists and government employees, they opposed the EU for many of those reasons. The 'conservatives' were the ones who pushed the country into the EU, because... uh... guess they must have had some reason for it.

But, I must admit, I thought Britain was now so cuck-ed that it would vote to stay. I'll be celebrating if they really do go.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 9:18 PM  

Leave has shifted from 8/1 to 1/2 on the betting exchanges.

There's no better sign the election isn't going as planned.

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 9:20 PM  

""UPDATE 4: Second biggest city in Wales, Swansea, narrowly votes Leave. It's a strong Labour city, and indicates Wales is overall going to vote Leave. That's the second overperformance for Leave. I now conclude the result will be 55 Leave 45 Remain.""

2nd comment quoting this but seriously...Given how close the polls were everyone expected a comfortable majority of Scots, Welsh, N. Irish voting Remain to push them over the line against the eternally eurosceptic English. If it's this close in the Celtic nations then barring some absolutely bizarre bout of Europhilia in England Leave will have it and the patriots will have it!

Bonus Good Luck Sign: I'm beginning to see SJWs and hardcore Remainers have meltdowns on my FB feed.

Blogger Lazarus June 23, 2016 9:21 PM  

Noah B wrote:Glad to see Nigel Farage is keeping the right attitude. This is only a vote. No matter what, this isn't over.

That's what representative democracy is all about. Using referendums to your advantage. If you lose the referendum, question its legitimacy, if you win, champion it. That is what they are for.

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 9:22 PM  

@126 YMMV, but most Canadians I know can barely introduce themselves in French. French language education in the school system is pretty abysmal, so it's clearly not a strong priority (not that the public schools are that great over all).

There are good historical reasons why the British didn't force English and the CoE on French and Catholic Canada. They really only had three options once they'd taken over a colony full of people who hated their guts on principle: 1) buy them off, rule with a light hand, and hope there was no revolt; 2) fight a long drawn out insurgency; 3) genocide. Since they were fellow Europeans, 3) wasn't on the table. 2) wasn't attractive for obvious reasons. So they went with 1), acquiring the gold in the colonies, and precipitating the American Revolution.

Conquering Quebec was a huge mistake, in other words. Anglo Canada and the US would likely be the same nation-state had general Wolfe not succeeded, and we'd all be much happier. Live and learn....

At any rate, I have no problem with Quebecois nationalism. Nor do most Canadians I know. I expect if the 1995 referendum had been a national one, Quebec would be on its own, now.

Anonymous Faceless June 23, 2016 9:23 PM  

@141

I assume, what with having to teach rudimentary English to the Chinese children that are Canada's future, French comes way back of that.

Blogger Lazarus June 23, 2016 9:27 PM  

#8601 Jean Valjean wrote:After the English conquered Quebec in 1760, they should have sent the frogs back to France. But it's too late for that now. The Quebecois are now a distinct nation, at least those of "pure laine". Quebec independence is the best choice.



That is why Lucien Bouchard said Canada was not a real country. The French-Cans are a nation. Not one acceptable to the Parisian french, but good enough for Montreal.

My country does not include Quebec. Or southern Ontario, if I get to vote on it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 23, 2016 9:29 PM  

Bonus Good Luck Sign: I'm beginning to see SJWs and hardcore Remainers have meltdowns on my FB feed.

Gold up, SPX futures down 35 points in Brexit panic.

Blogger Cicatrizatic June 23, 2016 9:29 PM  

Looks like the polls far underestimated support for Brexit. General polls of the public can fail to detect a populist groundswell of enthusiasm for one side.

Perhaps the same will occur with the US Presidential election? That is especially likely when you consider that the current General Election US Presidential polls only include 25-30% Republicans as part of their sample, which is below the proportion that Republicans held in 2008 and 2012, years where Republican turnout in the primaries was far lower than this year.

Blogger Lazarus June 23, 2016 9:30 PM  

psychegram wrote:t any rate, I have no problem with Quebecois nationalism. Nor do most Canadians I know. I expect if the 1995 referendum had been a national one, Quebec would be on its own, now.

As long as it is not "sovereignty association" b.s.

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 9:30 PM  

If Leave works, they can do an exchange program. One productive European can immigrate if the EU will accept 3 indolent refugees.

Anonymous kfg June 23, 2016 9:31 PM  

"My country does not include . . . southern Ontario, if I get to vote on it."

I'm in upstate NY and attended Queen's University.
I'm glad you don't get to vote on it. We don't want it. It's your problem.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 23, 2016 9:32 PM  

JAC 111,


"This is the last chance Britain will get to leave peacefully, barring total EU economic collapse."

"They leave now or there are going to be a bunch who follow Anders Brevik."
Preach it, brother!
Brother Clay :
"I, being the self-appointed representative of the United States, offer trade of Puerto Rico for Quebec."
Why we would want Froggieland North in 'Murica, cant even.
We already got Lootsyanistan, fer Pete's sake.
But gettin' rid of Poorto Ricka would be a good think, I reckon.

We've got plenty of islands.

Blogger David Power June 23, 2016 9:33 PM  

This may be a good moment to remind ourselves that a leave vote, in and of its self, is very unlikely to result in the UK actually leaving the EU.

For this to happen Cameron would have to be ousted and replaced with a committed Leaver. Even then, the House of Commons is overwhelmingly in favour of remaining and could introduce all manner of legislative obstacles.

Anonymous Clay June 23, 2016 9:35 PM  

124. Bard June 23, 2016 9:07 PM
Now, how do we start Texit?

You ain't going no where with my deer & hogs.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 9:37 PM  

Looks like the polls far underestimated support for Brexit. General polls of the public can fail to detect a populist groundswell of enthusiasm for one side.

Polls are deliberately designed to skew toward the side that's paying. If you can convince people one side is going to win you get the "everyone else is doing it" crowd. It also makes people on the "losing" side despair and skip the vote altogether.

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 9:38 PM  

"The working class have been hardest hit by EU membership, as their jobs have either moved to cheaper parts of Europe, or cheaper European immigrants have been shipped in to replace them."

Absolutely agree. The fact that the same working class kept relentlessly voting for rabidly Europhile parties left me think they had simply accepted their destinty as welfare dependant voters for the Left.

"They're also the ones who see non-EU immigrants dumped in their towns. And the ones whose children are being gang-raped by rapefugees. So they're not exactly in favour of immigration in general."

Absolutely a problem though this varies greatly by region. This is mostly an English (and particularly London+Midlands) thing. This is not a great factor in Scotland, Wales and by God not in Northern Ireland - say one thing for the sectarian divide in Ulster, it means Men remain Men and will act accordingly if some Mohammaden thinks some white 'kaffir' slut is his to defile.

"Back when Labour was a working-class party, rather than the party of welfare tourists and government employees, they opposed the EU for many of those reasons. The 'conservatives' were the ones who pushed the country into the EU, because... uh... guess they must have had some reason for it."

Absolutely agree - my grandfather was part of that Old Labour. I don't agree with the (international) socialism but I can still respect their authentic patriotism and genuine working-class roots. The 'conservative leaders of the 60s and 70s were scum who will be remembered as such. Ted Heath was the worst Prime Minster of the 20th century by far - a genuine quisling and simply out for personal glory and advantage. Chamberlain gets a bad rap but was universally considered a decent, intelligent, and well meaning man by his contemporaries. Brown was irredeemable politically as PM but he was and is clearly mentally ill/autistic. Ted Heath was essentially the British (and male) Hillary Clinton - an obvious psychopath from a young age with political designs.

"But, I must admit, I thought Britain was now so cuck-ed that it would vote to stay. I'll be celebrating if they really do go."

I thought that until 2 weeks ago, then the big jump in polls for BREXIT, then the Autiste/Vantard spergout killing Jo Cox made me think it was over, then the closing polls tonight seemed to confirm it...and yet here we are. Might change, but early signs are good.

Anonymous Sharrukin June 23, 2016 9:38 PM  

The polls are increasingly used to push a political or social narrative rather than accurately determine opinions.

I don't think the polls got public opinion wrong as that was never their purpose.

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 9:40 PM  

@142 In Hongcouver, ehyup. The People's Republic of Toronto's an even split between the Chinese and the Indians, in terms of ownership at least.

@148 Hey, another Queen's alum. Hilariously, the SJWs at Queen's consider the school populace there to be the very rightest of right wing. Granted the student body is about as SWPL as it comes, but at least it isn't as vibrant as some places. Did the first two years of my undergrad at University of Toronto Scarborough Campus. Pretty sure Scarborough isn't even north of the equator, any more.

Blogger Lazarus June 23, 2016 9:40 PM  

kfg wrote:"My country does not include . . . southern Ontario, if I get to vote on it."

I'm in upstate NY and attended Queen's University.

I'm glad you don't get to vote on it. We don't want it. It's your problem.


I hear you, man. Hopefully, when Quebec goes, they can be kind of quarantined, in a way where they still think they are important but can't screw up everyone else.

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 9:42 PM  

"After the English conquered Quebec in 1760, they should have sent the frogs back to France. But it's too late for that now. The Quebecois are now a distinct nation, at least those of "pure laine". Quebec independence is the best choice."

*British (Seriously, distinction between UK and England isn't that hard to grasp - unless you happen to frequently confuse the USA with California, Germany with Prussia etc).

I recall reading somewhere that there was a provisional agreement between the UK and (fairly) newly independent USA on how to get rid of the Francophone population spread through Quebec, Maine etc. It wasn't acted on sadly - not such a drama for the US but Canada has the same problem the UK has with an obnoxious, grievance mongering, minority who drag national politics far further left than they otherwise would be.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2016 9:43 PM  

UPDATE 6: First bad sign for Leave. First two London authorities are at 69 percent turnout, 76 percent Remain. However, Glasgow turnout was only 56 percent.

Wow, that is by the standards I'm used to an unbelievably high turnout. You have to go back to the 19th century to find American numbers like that.

The greatest plague to infect the West is the Mega-city. It's the fountainhead of all of the insanity.

Also it's unsurprising that London's Muslims are voting to stay in the EU.

Anonymous 11B June 23, 2016 9:44 PM  

This may be a good moment to remind ourselves that a leave vote, in and of its self, is very unlikely to result in the UK actually leaving the EU.

Maybe not, but it would be a major public humiliation and give the moral authority to the independence side.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 23, 2016 9:44 PM  

Brother Clay,
"Now, how do we start Texit?

You ain't going no where with my deer & hogs."
You got that right.

Blogger The Kurgan June 23, 2016 9:44 PM  

Well, I hope leave wins but I would be damned shocked if it actually does

Anonymous Clay June 23, 2016 9:46 PM  

Ah, Mosby...I'd rather have to deal with the QBeckers than those illiterate Puerto Ricans, any day.

Let's face it. We fry frog legs, too.

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 9:49 PM  

@137 "The working class have been hardest hit by EU membership, as their jobs have either moved to cheaper parts of Europe, or cheaper European immigrants have been shipped in to replace them."

Working class everywhere have gotten screwed by immigration. The left tossed them overboard long ago so they could play identity politics, and sure enough, the working class has abandoned them. Now we're watching the same thing happen with gays, who are gradually realizing that their problems are not as important to the Narrative as Islamophobia.

Hilariously, the lefties I've pointed this out to completely deny this has happened. Not that they have any explanation for why the working class ignores them ... other than, "oh, well, they're just can't grasp the nuances of poststructuralist intersectional oppression, and they've been brainwashed by talk radio into being racist misogynists".

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 9:51 PM  

"*British (Seriously, distinction between UK and England isn't that hard to grasp - unless you happen to frequently confuse the USA with California, Germany with Prussia etc). "

Quoting self here but apologies to OP for snarky comment - Am drunk and inadvertently carrying over attitude to flamewars with SJWs/Remainers.

"Conquering Quebec was a huge mistake, in other words. Anglo Canada and the US would likely be the same nation-state had general Wolfe not succeeded, and we'd all be much happier. Live and learn..."

I wouldn't say the conquest was a mistake but it's absorption absolutely was. It should have been allowed to develop as an independent province and eventually a republic (with foreign policy dictated by British Empire and later by UK/Canada and the USA) and I think everyone would have been much happier for it.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr June 23, 2016 9:52 PM  

Not Texit. The Expulsion of the Axis of Leftism. Axes, technically...the strips +/- 20 miles of I-5, I-95, and the Chicago Loop. Damn few liberals outside those areas.

Anonymous 11B June 23, 2016 9:53 PM  

Also it's unsurprising that London's Muslims are voting to stay in the EU.

It simplifies eventual conquest if all of Europe is one political entity. Get a toe-hold on any piece of dirt and have free access to the entire continent. What's not to like?

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 9:53 PM  

"First two London authorities are at 69 percent turnout, 76 percent Remain. "

They will either be upper-middle class white or underclass Muslim. Both will inevitably be Labour rotten boroughs.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 23, 2016 9:54 PM  

"I am pretty sure most "Americans" would be more than happy to get rid of Commiepornia."

Declare it to be in rebellion. Mobilize and invade. Conquer. Execute the existing goverments, sell several million lefties and illegals as slaves to the Saudis. Keep it as an imperial province sin sufragio en perpetua.

Blogger Arthur Isaac June 23, 2016 9:56 PM  

Looks like the death of UK independence may have been announced prematurely.

Anonymous Faceless June 23, 2016 9:56 PM  

Detroit is still on offer if the Canadians want it.

Blogger Arthur Isaac June 23, 2016 9:56 PM  

Looks like the death of UK independence may have been announced prematurely.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 23, 2016 9:57 PM  

Dude, we been nailin' the hell out some frogs this year.
You must get down here to indulge . You know damn well you are most welcome. Lemme know when you'll be down here.
Rule Brittania ! Remove Kebab ! Traitorous potato niggers should be hung!

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 23, 2016 9:58 PM  

"Also it's unsurprising that London's Muslims are voting to stay in the EU.

It simplifies eventual conquest if all of Europe is one political entity. Get a toe-hold on any piece of dirt and have free access to the entire continent. What's not to like?"

I'd give them slightly more credit than that. Though they make up a sizable (and horribly vocal) minority in the UK they still have to 'play the game' and loyally vote for whatever the Labour Party tells them to. In this instance it's "Remain". Of course if the UK were to genuinely Leave and re-open itself to the Commonwealth that would potentially allow easier migration of more Muslims from Pakistan/India/Bangladesh/Malaysia/Nigeria etc.

Their relatively small population size means they're still (more or less) willing to take orders from the quisling white British Left establishment and vote Remain. Give it another decade or so and we'll start seeing a Saxon version of Soumission which will align itself either pro-Leave or pro-Remain depending on the extent of Islamization/Cuckery in mainland Europe.

Anonymous rubberducky June 23, 2016 9:59 PM  

Scotland and Quebec did everyone the favor of being their own nations culturally as well as geographically.

Where I live now, in Northern Virginia, has become balkanized all over the place. Can't even break it down by neighborhoods. But everywhere you look you see Muslims, Asians, Africa Africans, South Americans, Central Americans. I sit at the stoplights looking at cars driving by for actual Americans at the wheel. Minority.

Putting this right is going to suck. But it will be done.

Anonymous Alexander June 23, 2016 9:59 PM  

@158

With a bit of luck, the number of votes they get this side of the Dardanelles - to say nothing of the Channel - are coming to an end.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2016 9:59 PM  

And now from the land of Whatthefuck.

Lindsay Lohan's Twitter feed is burning up the web with her thoughts and...I suppose you would have to call them "opinions" about the Brexit.

She is pro-Europe by the way.

If there is one, all purpose, common sense condemnation of the EU in one package. It would be that Linday Lohan is in favor of it.

Blogger lowercaseb June 23, 2016 9:59 PM  

I wonder if England has the same problems of the dead voting as the US has...

Anonymous Clay June 23, 2016 10:00 PM  

Be nice, now, Mosby.

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 10:01 PM  

@170 "Detroit is still on offer if the Canadians want it."

Only if you don't mind if we take the Colonel's advice and "Declare it to be in rebellion. Mobilize and invade. Conquer. Execute the existing goverments, sell several million lefties and illegals as slaves to the Saudis. Keep it as an imperial province sin sufragio en perpetua."

Deal?

Blogger Lazarus June 23, 2016 10:01 PM  

Clay wrote:

Let's face it. We fry frog legs, too


Maybe you could use that as a selling point. They would like a warmer climate to live in, after all.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 23, 2016 10:03 PM  

." Keep it as an imperial province sin sufragio en perpetua."

Dammit, Kratman.
Speak english . This is a Brexit thread, you know.

Anonymous Faceless June 23, 2016 10:03 PM  

@179

Hey, I'm not going to tell you what to do with your own property. All sales final. The wall's already ready at Eight Mile.

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind June 23, 2016 10:04 PM  

Yet somehow the official stats say NoVa is 60% white. They must be counting Arabs, Hispanics and Indians as white as there is only one kid of European origin at my local school bus stop.

Anonymous Headcannon June 23, 2016 10:05 PM  

@143 "My country does not include Quebec. Or southern Ontario, if I get to vote on it."

Throw out BC while you're at it. With the commies gone, the country might have a hope.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 23, 2016 10:05 PM  

If it's good enough for Lindsey Lohan it's good enough for me.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 23, 2016 10:05 PM  

@Tom Kratman

Execute the existing goverments, sell several million lefties and illegals as slaves to the Saudis. Keep it as an imperial province sin sufragio en perpetua.

Sell them?

Seriously, dude?

Who would buy them?

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 10:07 PM  

@182 Is the property the lebensraum or the population?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY June 23, 2016 10:07 PM  

178. Clay June 23, 2016 10:00 PM
Be nice, now, Mosby.
I try, but it is hard sometimes.

Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 10:08 PM  

The US government counts Hispanics as white. That's why you see it broken out as "Non Hispanic White" when they want to make the distinction.

The goal is to make it look like whites and blacks have about the same propensity to commit crimes.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr June 23, 2016 10:08 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:"I am pretty sure most "Americans" would be more than happy to get rid of Commiepornia."

Declare it to be in rebellion. Mobilize and invade. Conquer. Execute the existing goverments, sell several million lefties and illegals as slaves to the Saudis. Keep it as an imperial province sin sufragio en perpetua.


No need to strip California like that. Cleansed of the barbarians, it can be easily resettled.

Blogger Sean Carnegie June 23, 2016 10:08 PM  

@tz

Only Ontario and New Brunswick are actually bilingual provinces. You can ask for French in gov't offices everywhere (AB here) and border controls.

Come on Brexit. Give Quebec hope!

Blogger psychegram June 23, 2016 10:09 PM  

@184 It's really just Vancouver. Which isn't even really Canada now, anyways. Might as well cede it to the PRC and make it official. Rest of the province? Good solid mountain people, mostly.

Anonymous Clay June 23, 2016 10:09 PM  

I know.

Blogger Sean Carnegie June 23, 2016 10:12 PM  

Napoleon:

I-35 too? Includes Minny and Austin/San Antonio. I'll miss the BBQ near Austin but...

Anonymous andon June 23, 2016 10:15 PM  

189. Blogger Bob Loblaw June 23, 2016 10:08 PM
The US government counts Hispanics as white. That's why you see it broken out as "Non Hispanic White" when they want to make the distinction.

The goal is to make it look like whites and blacks have about the same propensity to commit crimes.


exactly. their other goal is to pretend that hispanics commit crime at the same rate as whites. someone on here mentioned the Texas 10 Most Wanted fugitives and last I checked all 10 were listed as "White" but 8 of the 10 had last names like gomez, ramirez, etc. so dishonest

Anonymous Clay June 23, 2016 10:17 PM  

Reminds me of the NFL draft....can we draft Quebec? Make a trade for Puerto Rico?....you Canucks don't have any islands that are WARM, do you?

Blogger lowercaseb June 23, 2016 10:19 PM  

Leave is really starting to pick up steam...I actually pulled that bottle of 20 year old port out of the pantry to watch this.

2016 is not disappointing.

Anonymous B.V June 23, 2016 10:21 PM  

Sweet cinnamon buns, they're actually doing it... Out at 50.9 %

Blogger tz June 23, 2016 10:21 PM  

@168 - Ah, the first rational solution to californication.

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