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Thursday, June 09, 2016

What do they know about #Brexit?

Heat Street analyzes the Bilderberg 2016 attendees and notices something of potential significance:
As Heat Street has previously made clear, the secretive Bilderberg Group is rabidly anti-Brexit and ultra pro-EU. This year’s meeting, held in the German city of Dresden between Thursday and Sunday, will be no different.

No Brexiteers have been invited.

Having seen the guest list of the so-called shadow world government, it confirms that the attendees from Britain and Ireland have been campaigning publicly for months to keep Britain IN.
It might mean nothing. But my admittedly uninformed guess is that it means Bilderberg knows that Britain is going to vote for #Brexit, so they are having a strategy session on how to keep Britain in the European Union despite the British people clearly voting to leave it.

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76 Comments:

Blogger Sherwood family June 09, 2016 8:10 AM  

A majority Brexit vote would be a major blow to the cabal in Brussels.

Not that votes have stopped them in the past but the environment is different these days. The EU is no longer ascendant and things like this have a way of showing off the weaknesses of the whole structure.

Blogger weka June 09, 2016 8:14 AM  

If Britain votes leave and Brussels stops it, bet on Britain turning Brussels into a ash heap. The Brits have a fair amount of practice in doing that.

Anonymous MendoScot June 09, 2016 8:19 AM  

I anticipate a staged event to swing the vote just before the referendum - concessions from the EU, big companies shutting down UK factories, etc. If it doesn't work, then there will be ostentatious punishments followed by relentless propaganda and a re-referendum.

Our rulers will not cede power voluntarily.

Blogger Nick S June 09, 2016 8:22 AM  

If it doesn't work, then there will be ostentatious punishments followed by relentless propaganda and a re-referendum.

Interesting. I expect a Brexit would provide good cover for the next phase of globalism conditioning of the proles with another semi-controlled crash.

Anonymous MendoScot June 09, 2016 8:22 AM  

weka wrote:If Britain votes leave and Brussels stops it, bet on Britain turning Brussels into a ash heap. The Brits have a fair amount of practice in doing that.

Heh. If I were PM my first act would be to order the retargeting of the Tridents to EU centres.

The repatriations would take longer.

Blogger Sherwood family June 09, 2016 8:22 AM  

Brussels couldn't stop it without the connivance of Brits who are in on the scheme. In that case, Britain doesn't turn Brussels into an ash heap but trudges along to the tune of their EU masters until the Britons themselves have to purge their own leadership from power through blood and fire.

And then they turn Brussels into an ash heap.

But I think if it gets to that point they won't want to hit Brussels itself but rather put out hits to hunt down and assassinate those that did this to Europe and to the UK. But that's only after the Continent has gone up in smoke while the Europeans deal with the Muslim hordes.

Anonymous MendoScot June 09, 2016 8:25 AM  

Good point, Nick, but I suspect that they wouldn’t dare for fear of losing control of the semi-. Still, never underestimate our Overlords capacity for self-delusion.

Anonymous VFM#1819 June 09, 2016 8:25 AM  

Wild prediction: Britain will leave the EU, the EU will then soon after get its army, and among the first nations they use it against will be Britain herself. This will pull the US and then Russia once again into conflict on the European continent but before WWIII goes into full swing, the UN will broker a treaty for the "peace and security" that ushers in a one-world government. And then The End will come.

Blogger Richard Stone June 09, 2016 8:32 AM  

If Britain fails, in fifty years everyone will just *know* that of course you can not secede from the EU. That is just kook nonsense, just like the United States after the civil war.

Blogger Sherwood family June 09, 2016 8:34 AM  

I don't think the EU can hold Britain by force. Too much of a disparity militarily. Unless the EU gets outside help.

But that would probably spark a global war so here's hoping that doesn't happen.

Blogger Salt June 09, 2016 8:38 AM  

What do they know about #Brexit?

It's coming, and they are afraid.

Anonymous Steve June 09, 2016 8:45 AM  

I don't think the EU can hold Britain by force

Correct. We have nukes.

Blogger Orville June 09, 2016 8:45 AM  

Soros is hedging that a brexit will occur.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-08/soros-returns-trading-big-bearish-bets-economic-turmoil

Soros also argues that there remains a good chance the European Union will collapse under the weight of the migration crisis, continuing challenges in Greece and a potential exit by the United Kingdom from the EU. “If Britain leaves, it could unleash a general exodus, and the disintegration of the European Union will become practically unavoidable,” he said.

Anonymous WinstonWebb June 09, 2016 8:46 AM  

Sherwood familyJune 09, 2016 8:34 AM
I don't think the EU can hold Britain by force. Too much of a disparity militarily. Unless the EU gets outside help.


Madame POTUS Clinton will be happy to lend assistance.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 09, 2016 8:47 AM  

The Davos Party for now uses the tool kit of liberal democracy, the bullshit of propaganda and name calling in one hand the whip of ursury in the other hand, and I don't think those two tools are completely used up.

Once one or both of those tools are used up it is the bullet and bludgeon tool kit.

Anonymous Steve June 09, 2016 8:58 AM  

Here's what I expect to happen:

Slim majority (<5%) vote LEAVE.

David Cameron announces that it's important not to take any rash decisions, politicians have a duty to reflect on what the electorate really meant, turnout meant an absolute majority didn't favour Brexit, etc.

Protracted period of bullshitting the public.

Tory backbenchers get restless and join opposition in vote of no confidence.

General election.

OpenID basementhomebrewer June 09, 2016 8:59 AM  

Soros is making bearish moves. Not sure if this is to try and spook Britian into staying or if he really thinks BREXIT is going to happen. He is making statements that he thinks BREXIT will fail but that may just be his attempt to not scare off support for staying.

If BREXIT happens there is definitely money to be made on a short term market short position. The markets will react very badly to the news in the short term.

Blogger CarpeOro June 09, 2016 9:02 AM  

I rather doubt that the EU bureaucrats would try to force Britain to stay. Too many other countries that are on the brink would leave. As indicated by the Bilderberg meeting the pro-EU cabal is looking at methods of preventing it. My intuition says vote fraud. If they are smart, they alter it to make it 55% pro-EU. To much finagling would be too raw, but a bit of a nudge like that would appear to be legit. There are plenty that will vote to stay in because of fear, a fair portion that is all about deconstructing Britain (or making it "better"). I will defer to those living there, but the USA saw Kennedy elected on the vote of the dead in Chicago plus his actual vote elsewhere. Little was ever said about the legitimacy of his presidency and I think for the time being the pro-EU forces can get by with the same.

Anonymous Masonic Lodge June 09, 2016 9:05 AM  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015#After_the_referendum_announcement

Take a look at this for how badly opinion pollsters can get things wrong. In the last few days before the Greek referendum last year, even the most accurate poll underestimated the anti-EU feeling by 18 percent - a 4 percent opinion poll lead to No versus the actual 22% referendum lead to No.

Opinion polls mean nothing.

Blogger Dexter June 09, 2016 9:09 AM  

The RAF missed a golden opportunity to hit Dresden again. Too bad.

I'm all for Brexit, but it does not solve the basic problem that the British political elite is cowardly, corrupt, degenerate, suicidal, and trying to eliminate the people it supposedly serves. So Brexit is a good start, but an internal house cleaning must follow if the British people (i.e., the indigenous inhabitants not their parasitic invaders) are to survive.

Anonymous Jay Will June 09, 2016 9:18 AM  

If we leave expect the "UK", that is its little people, to be targeted by "terrorism". That is, US/Allies funded extremists who's purpose is to destabilize countries in order for military contractors and others to profit.

Kill them and their children, they want you dead, they want a huge cull in Europe. Kill them before they kill you. They feel untouchable.

They are going to tyrannize the internet with "hate speech" laws so we don't get to read sites like this. Once I'm not aloud to read this site I will know that its over and its time to start the killing. Unlike normal people I have nothing of any worth other than the thought of hurting my parents. It will be easy to go to level 5 Geoffrey. All the godless fear is pain, but it doesn't last long does it? Better than dieing of bowel cancer or dementia. Die in a haze of bullets after burying a claw hammer into the head of the liars that want you and your family dead. You can't be on the right side of history if your dead can you?

The purpose of Muslamic immigration is to use them as protection for elites. Attack us and we will set the Muslims on you. Attack us and we will set the blacks on you. Attack us and we will set La Raza on you. Kill all of them and end their genetic line.

Case Study A: Globalist banker, multi millionaire "egalitarian", lying "humanitarian" shill, Peter Sutherland. He knows exactly what he's doing, he knows that lots of people will die. But its just business as usual at that level. The higher you go the colder evil is.

Whats the point of this boring shit life. TV, food, joking about. Its crap. If I am unleashed I will turn every gamma that I can find to the dark side. Show them how to weaponize their secret king. Fear of pain has to be overcome. You start by hurting yourself to show to a part of your brain that its not as bad you thought. Once you realize that fear of pain is worse than pain you are good to go. Note well the ISIS lot show the youngsters people being beheaded to de-sensitize them. Its really not all that after a while.

Anonymous Jay Will June 09, 2016 9:25 AM  

@10

Your assuming that the UK army is somehow representative of the UK. Its not. Its a device for higher ups to protect their own interests. It has never had anything to do with "protecting the nation". Thats the lie higher ups use to get people to fight wars without having to pay them with proper gold, rather than a pat on the back and "thanks for your service" crap. If I have to see another Yank with no arms or legs being wheeled out on Fox news being thanked for his service....

Anonymous Jay Will June 09, 2016 9:28 AM  

@12

Wrong Steve WE don't have nukes THEY have nukes. Remember you are not a citizen you are a subject. Know your place. Its much more likely that THEY would use the nukes on their own people as opposed to some foreign threat. Because WE are not THEIR people.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 09, 2016 9:29 AM  

The people who count the votes decide everything.

Anonymous Jay Will June 09, 2016 9:32 AM  

Cameron and Blair are human scum. And they are just the front, the people behind them are much much worse.

Blogger praetorian June 09, 2016 9:37 AM  

Soros also argues that there remains a good chance the European Union will collapse under the weight of the migration crisis

After he helped slam the migrants in.

Brazen.

Anonymous Steve June 09, 2016 9:40 AM  

Jay Will - Nah.

There aren't any politicians, civil servants or metropolitan sophisticates aboard our Trident subs.

Anonymous RCFlyer June 09, 2016 9:48 AM  

I live in Lincolnshire...there are definitely shenanigans going on in regards to the Brexit vote. Over here voters register online, and the deadline was supposed to be 2 days ago. However, on the last day before the deadline, the website mysteriously "crashed due to high demand". Government officials trotted out and said they were leaving the registration open despite the law, and Cameron was telling people to continue to register.

I also have noticed a near-complete blackout on news regarding Muslim "refugees" crossing the Med. For the past year that story was all over radio and television, but I honestly can't remember the past time I heard anything about it, and I listen to BBC Radio 4 (the news radio channel) quite a lot in my daily commute. Any mentions of them have been sympathetic profiles of women and children and such.

There's also been a constant drumbeat of "Brexit will destroy the economy and cause a recession" from the government and the journalists. However, Farage and Johnson and a few others Brexiteers have been out fighting the good fight, despite the constant accusations of rayciss.

Blogger dienw June 09, 2016 9:48 AM  

Soros is making bearish moves

Soros is bragging, not warning.

OpenID basementhomebrewer June 09, 2016 10:02 AM  

dienw wrote:Soros is making bearish moves

Soros is bragging, not warning.



Oh I am not saying he is warning at all. He doesn't give a fig for Britain, he proved that 25 years ago. Since then he has proved he doesn't care about Western Civilization in general. BREXIT is the right thing for Britain but the stock markets are heavily traded by people who believe the narrative or are actively creating it. If BREXIT succeeds the narrative creators will try to crash the British market and the true believers will dutifully follow suit.

Anonymous Jay Will June 09, 2016 10:05 AM  

@27 It means revolution is necessary. As long as the order of things stay the way they are then those nukes won't be used in your interest. They may indirectly be used in your interests if higher up aims tally with whats good for you. People follow orders until it all falls to bits. British soldiers and police will kill their own as long as the status quo is maintained. Thats why the "far right" is demonized to prepare people for the killing. Those Nazis had it coming! Most people are thick as shit and will buy whatever crap they here off the tv. If you get labelled the enemy by higher up propaganda most people will believe its true.

The people aboard Trident subs are trained to follow orders. They are going to be much more comfortable with shooting you than shooting a higher up.

Anonymous ZhukovG June 09, 2016 10:08 AM  

I know it has become traditional for the Royal Family to remain neutral on political matters. But if ever there was a time for Her Majesty to stand up for the sovereignty of her people, now would be it.

Anonymous Fran June 09, 2016 10:18 AM  

@32
Could a strong monarchy in Britain actually return? Hmmm maybe they kept her as a figure head for a reason.

Anonymous MendoScot June 09, 2016 10:24 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:I know it has become traditional for the Royal Family to remain neutral on political matters. But if ever there was a time for Her Majesty to stand up for the sovereignty of her people, now would be it.

The Queen recently “let slip” that she would approve of #Brexit. Highly unusual for her to comment publically, so it’s interpreted as a very strong statement.

The European royalty (aka Eurotrash) are completely intertwined and inherently Internationalist. They have even had to import Argies to keep the bloodlines from collapsing.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook June 09, 2016 10:31 AM  

The sooner they leave the shithole dictatorship PU the better.

Anonymous fop June 09, 2016 10:34 AM  

Once a Head of State has notified the Council of its intent to leave the EU, a negotiation period begins during which a leaving agreement is to be negotiated outlining the country's future relationship with the Union. The country seeking to leave the Union will be required to secure support from at least 72 percent of the continuing member states representing at least 65 percent of their population, as well as consent from the European Parliament.

In short, there will be no Brexit.

Anonymous Thor Son June 09, 2016 10:35 AM  

"After he helped slam the migrants in.

Brazen."

No kidding! Soros was telling Europe to sell bonds in order to go into debt funding invaders. This man is a psychopath's psychopath.

Anonymous Difster June 09, 2016 10:39 AM  

Forget #Brexit, I want #Texit.

Anonymous Philipp June 09, 2016 10:41 AM  

Interesting guest list for the Bilderberg meeting. Even more interesting is to see who was not invited: nobody from Asia, Africa, China or Russia. Quite telling.

Also, I noticed that Heatstreet now has a comment function. Should make good reading after the next debate between Vox and Louise. :-)

Blogger Ingot9455 June 09, 2016 10:45 AM  

@36 They said that about the War of Northern Aggression too.

Anonymous Philipp June 09, 2016 10:48 AM  

fop: Not true.

Read Article 50 of the Treaty of the European Union.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf

" The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in
paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned,unanimously decides to extend this period."

If after two years after a Member State has given notice that it wants to leave, there has been no agreement negotiated, then the treaties will cease to function. Period.

Anonymous andon June 09, 2016 10:57 AM  

2. Blogger weka June 09, 2016 8:14 AM
If Britain votes leave and Brussels stops it, bet on Britain turning Brussels into a ash heap. The Brits have a fair amount of practice in doing that.


the Brits would have to get rid of their own leadership as well before any of that sort happened

Blogger Robert What? June 09, 2016 11:02 AM  

Actually, if they are using electronic voting, then we already know how the vote will go. With a little help from Diebold.

Anonymous BGKB June 09, 2016 11:06 AM  

What do they know about #Brexit? I heard something about 6 million. It might be worth losing Dresden again if we could take out Bildberg. "Corral the 50 wealthiest Jews and there will be no wars," Sayeth Henry Ford

Soros also argues that there remains a good chance the European Union will collapse under the weight of the migration crisis, That he funded

After he helped slam the migrants in. Brazen.

Almost all of his money comes from stabbing other people and nations in the back. Sorting like he was taking out life insurance policies on his neighbor's kids.

Could a strong monarchy in Britain actually return?

How many would have to die before Nigel Farage or Nick Griffin became king?

Anonymous andon June 09, 2016 11:07 AM  

34. Anonymous MendoScot June 09, 2016 10:24 AM

The Queen recently “let slip” that she would approve of #Brexit. Highly unusual for her to comment publically, so it’s interpreted as a very strong statement.


prob she's not a big fan of all the monkeys either

Anonymous Susan June 09, 2016 11:13 AM  

@34

They are all deeply intertwined because they are all descended from Victoria. She was quite prolific, 11 children IIRC. Victoria got her progeny into all the important monarchies of Europe at that time.

The Queen has indeed taken to making quiet little statements. She made one about Scotland a couple days before their exit vote. So I expect that her opinion will be taken into account by the voters.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 09, 2016 11:16 AM  

The Bilderberg Workshop is very good at stuffing animals. They are counting on "the will of the people" being an empty skin they fill with their own material.

What if Britain is a real lion instead? That is the question.

Blogger Salt June 09, 2016 11:21 AM  

fop wrote:The country seeking to leave the Union will be required to

Hasn't Brussels ever heard of just walking out?

"Well, bye!"

Blogger RobertT June 09, 2016 11:27 AM  

How do you get the guest list?

Anonymous WinstonWebb June 09, 2016 11:28 AM  

Hasn't Brussels ever heard of just walking out?

"Well, bye!"


That is never allowed. See: Lincoln, Abraham

Blogger Ahazuerus June 09, 2016 11:32 AM  

The whole Left vs Right kabuki theatre nature of modern politics is coming out in the open more and more.

Just as we saw these alleged philosophical opposites unite to keep Scotland in the UK, so we now see the same unholy union striving to keep the UK in the EU.

Just today the BBC website shows John Major (alleged conservative former Prime Minister) and Tony Blair (alleged liberal former Prime Minister) announcing together that Britain must remain in the EU.

Just by the by, wherever you see the word "United" used in a political context, it really means "subjugated and oppressed".

Cf. United States, United Kingdom, United Nations...

Blogger Austin Ballast June 09, 2016 11:37 AM  

Saw this when looking at Google News yesterday:

A Brexit Cancels out the Real Benefit of Devolution
https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/brexit-cancels-out-real-benefit-devolution

Being less centralized makes decentralization worse? Seemed like odd logic to me.

Anonymous fop June 09, 2016 11:38 AM  

Hasn't Brussels ever heard of just walking out?

This would never happen with the current British gov.

And a lot can happen in two years.

Including a second or third referendum.

Blogger James Jones June 09, 2016 11:39 AM  

The Vote will be fixed anyway. They have been giving non nationals voting cards and they even tried to push the electronic vote on me. Because it's easier to manipulate it. Even if we vote out they won't take us out. They have already told us that this is not a binding referendum. Us British are unfortunately too soft to stand up against it.

I'm still campaigning for out for all I'm worth, but have no faith in our corrupt politicians.

Anonymous Wanderer June 09, 2016 11:41 AM  

@14: I am sure that Russia would be willing to help Britain.

Blogger James Jones June 09, 2016 11:42 AM  

The Vote will be fixed anyway. They have been giving non nationals voting cards and they even tried to push the electronic vote on me. Because it's easier to manipulate it. Even if we vote out they won't take us out. They have already told us that this is not a binding referendum. Us British are unfortunately too soft to stand up against it.

I'm still campaigning for out for all I'm worth, but have no faith in our corrupt politicians.

Blogger RobertT June 09, 2016 11:48 AM  

Never mind. I got it. Interesting. 28 Americans. Establishment celebrities (Kissinger, Noonan, Petraeus), Silicon Valley (Thiel, Hoffman, Altman) & bankers heavily represented.

Anonymous MendoScot June 09, 2016 12:05 PM  

prob she's not a big fan of all the monkeys either

She definitely prefers the Commonwealth, including a large chunk of the Carribean, to the EU.

Susan, I was referring to the Continental royal families but yes, the House of Windsor is German and linked through them to all the other European houses.

There is a reason Prince Philip is called Phil the Greek.

Anonymous Marduk June 09, 2016 12:14 PM  

Another option I have been theorising about:
They will let Britain leave the EU and then destroy it economically as an example for the rest of the EU.

When the interests of big business, the media, banks and rating agencies align they can certainly destroy a country.
No other EU country will even consider leaving ever again after that.

Afterwards they will use the chaos in Britain as excuse to consolidate the EU even further.
The UK might even be allowed to rejoin if they give up all sovereignty. (only after they suffered enough obviously)

Blogger Gordon June 09, 2016 12:22 PM  

Betty Battenberg wants out of the EU so she and her fellow lizard people can regain full control of the family opiate empire. Plus, even though she may be a German lizard, she doesn't like German bankers.

OpenID basementhomebrewer June 09, 2016 12:52 PM  

If the British leadership were on board they wouldn't have to ash Brussels.

All the British would have to do is quit enforcing EU regulations/laws within their boarders and refuse to honor the EUs open boarders policies. The EU has no power to do anything in Britain without British people enabling it.

If Brussels tried to enforce it's policies through arms I would be surprised if the other nations could be bothered to muster their troops for a war with Britain.

Blogger bob k. mando June 09, 2016 12:56 PM  

52. Austin Ballast June 09, 2016 11:37 AM
Being less centralized makes decentralization worse? Seemed like odd logic to me.



it's not 'odd logic', it's overt bullshit.

and the bullshitter knows he's bullshitting.

what he's saying is this:
most of these people are so stupied, they'll never notice i'm bullshitting them.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 09, 2016 1:19 PM  

Vox,
This is probably somewhat off topic. Thought you and others would find the following article interesting.

Historical Ties: The Risk of Eve Warfare

There was one particular paragraph I will quote here because it was like a stage light being turned on in my mind as I was reading it.

"Politically, the concept of having a modern capital fleet was both a point of international prestige and a potential domestic disaster. Ten years prior, Russia and Japan fought a war over disputed parts of China and Korea. At the beginning of the war, Japan succeeded in destroying much of the Russian Far East Fleet at Port Arthur. In response, the Russian Baltic Fleet was sent around the world to restore Russian naval supremacy in the region. The plan did not work, and the Russian fleet was all but destroyed by the Japanese Navy at the Battle of Tsushima. The resulting political instability inside Russia from the loss of her entire effective navy, and consequently the war, was massive. Both the UK and Germany had invested much more political capital into their respective naval forces than Russia. A loss like the Russians suffered would have dire political consequences. As Winston Churchill so explained in comments about Admiral John Jellicoe, commander of the Royal Navy’s Grand Fleet at Jutland, “[He is] the only man on either side who could lose the war in an afternoon.” The only situations in which either side would risk their fleets would be if they had a chance to deal a knockout blow to the other. These two factors contributed greatly to how capital forces were used during the First World War."

After reading that the Russians suffered severe domestic instability after losing their fleet made me realize that I've never connected loss of a fleet to domestic political instability. I immediately made the connection to the US today since in any future war every belligerent will be gunning for the US Navy.

Makes me wonder, just how apeshit will people get if most of the US Navy gets sunk. Won't be pretty.

Blogger Doom June 09, 2016 1:48 PM  

Which... is exactly what I suggested would happen anyway. I suspected that even if the election was lost, the numbers would never be allowed to show it. Especially with more European nations clambering to join the __exit. How many European nations? Many, if not all, have a rising voice for this, from what I am hearing. If one leaves, even Britain, there will be trouble. Just the start. I'll bet they are in a panic, really. How can they rule the world if the world won't be ruled! *grins*

I love it when in insurrection comes together. Plan, insurrection, what's the difference.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 09, 2016 1:52 PM  

@61 "If Brussels tried to enforce it's policies through arms I would be surprised if the other nations could be bothered to muster their troops for a war with Britain."

The other nations have troops nowadays?
I thought they got rid of those ugly things, past a few special forces who have to beg rides on US transports to get anywhere.

Anonymous Millenium June 09, 2016 2:13 PM  

@38

Why? Mexicans already have their own country.

Blogger SirHamster June 09, 2016 4:07 PM  

weka wrote:If Britain votes leave and Brussels stops it, bet on Britain turning Brussels into a ash heap. The Brits have a fair amount of practice in doing that.

Would make for a bit of an ironic twist if WWIII starts with UK committing atrocities in Belgium, and Germany declaring war in response.

Or ... re-nationalized Germany joining in?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 09, 2016 4:21 PM  

Millenium wrote:Why? Mexicans already have their own country.
That's gonna leave a welt.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis June 09, 2016 4:36 PM  

The US could lose ships, including a carrier task force, in a regional conflict with either Iran or China. The US has already lost the ability to "project power" by "showing the flag".
However, in an actual naval war the US submarine force would sink every ship in the opponent's fleet -- without question.
And in an actual naval war with Iran (for example), that country would suffer massive infrastructure damage as US submarines (Los Angeles, Seawolf, and Virginia classes) fired Tomahawk missiles. These may have either (a) 1000 pound single warhead, (b) bomblets, or (c) nuclear warhead. There are about 3,500 Tomahawks in US inventory so the US submarine fleet can massively cause infrastructure damage to any nation that makes war on the USA. And this is in the case of a non-nuclear conflict.
The Ohio class submarines ensure that neither Russia nor China will launch a full preemptive nuclear strike against the USA. While the land based and air craft legs of the nuclear triad may be destroyed in a preemptive strike, the submarine leg is (currently) essentially invulnerable and would ensure the result would be as described in the old movie "War Games". As it stands, none of the major nuclear powers (Russia, China, USA) will engage in a full scale exchange because everyone would lose.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 09, 2016 5:21 PM  

Bellator Mortalis wrote:The US could lose ships, including a carrier task force, in a regional conflict with either Iran or China. The US has already lost the ability to "project power" by "showing the flag".

However, in an actual naval war the US submarine force would sink every ship in the opponent's fleet -- without question.

And in an actual naval war with Iran (for example), that country would suffer massive infrastructure damage as US submarines (Los Angeles, Seawolf, and Virginia classes) fired Tomahawk missiles. These may have either (a) 1000 pound single warhead, (b) bomblets, or (c) nuclear warhead. There are about 3,500 Tomahawks in US inventory so the US submarine fleet can massively cause infrastructure damage to any nation that makes war on the USA. And this is in the case of a non-nuclear conflict.

The Ohio class submarines ensure that neither Russia nor China will launch a full preemptive nuclear strike against the USA. While the land based and air craft legs of the nuclear triad may be destroyed in a preemptive strike, the submarine leg is (currently) essentially invulnerable and would ensure the result would be as described in the old movie "War Games". As it stands, none of the major nuclear powers (Russia, China, USA) will engage in a full scale exchange because everyone would lose.



Note this is an opinion piece,

1st Our nukes aren't working very well. Many may not fire.

2nd The US is not the only one with nasty subs. Russian subs have cruised undetected and surfaced close to carriers, We do not dominate the undersea at all and in fact our foes have missiles roughly equal to tomahawks as well

This also presume that a US Russian war can be contained. I suspect Russian paranoia make it difficult and the minute anything hits deep in Russian, its a nuclear reprisal.

The Us would be a big pickle is the Russians vaporized one city and told us back off or the rest get it.

A last thing, Russia has bombers ballistic missiles more than capable hitting US infrastructure without nukes and our infrastructure is both brittle and poorly defended. If we lose air superiority for a very short time, Russia can reduce the US to rubble

Assuming the new minorities will rally to the US defense or will go war footing when the power plants get smashed and the EBT system is down is questionable.

Now Russia can't occupy CONUS or most of Europe but it can with our without nukes ruin it and can make sure our elite have no boltholes. That should keep even the crazies in check

Last, on a longer term, Russia is healthier than we are in the long game. They need only wait a few decades, two, maybe three and the US will have imploded of its own stupidity and the Mino-America will be Brazil 2.0 instead of the hegemonic power.

Trump and great luck or an .alt right takeover could reverse that but US nationalism is also good for Russia since nationalists generally can get along

In the long run, Russia if they stem off collapse and have a worth Putin 2 has probably already won.

They of course already know that which means a lot of Russian paranoia about the elite acting crazy and desperate but that is another matter.

Anonymous Emmanuel M June 09, 2016 6:12 PM  

As a european political reader, I fear you are right. Ther eis a mjority pro-Brexit sentiment in England.

Bilderberg can either plan to cheat the referendum (and modern propaganda techniques can easily make a stealthy 5+ % shift) or to outright fist-fuck it, Sarkozy style (we french voted nein to a EU treaty, just to have traitor Sarkozy shove it through the parliament and our sore asses).

Long live free England, I prefer free England to Euro UK

OpenID aew51183 June 09, 2016 6:13 PM  

Don't worry VD, 700,000 "postal" votes will magically show up like they did in Austria, and that's probably what that meeting was about: logistics.

Anonymous Stilla Natt June 09, 2016 8:44 PM  

Heeb Street

Blogger VFM #7634 June 10, 2016 1:47 AM  

Yes to Brexit.

As well as to Paxit and Blaxit out of England.

Blogger Tupla-J June 10, 2016 3:05 AM  

@66

You should probably want to rewrite your handle name. Millennium comes from mille, thousand, and annus, year. Guess what losing the other n ends up meaning.

Blogger The Kurgan June 10, 2016 3:57 AM  

Steve,
So does France.

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