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Saturday, June 25, 2016

Why gun control will never happen

Scott Adams explains the political impossibility of gun control in the USA:
On average, Democrats (that’s my team*) use guns for shooting the innocent. We call that crime.

On average, Republicans use guns for sporting purposes and self-defense.

If you don’t believe me, you can check the statistics on the Internet that don’t exist. At least I couldn’t find any that looked credible.

But we do know that race and poverty are correlated. And we know that poverty and crime are correlated. And we know that race and political affiliation are correlated. Therefore, my team (Clinton) is more likely to use guns to shoot innocent people, whereas the other team (Trump) is more likely to use guns for sporting and defense.

That’s a gross generalization. Obviously. Your town might be totally different.

So it seems to me that gun control can’t be solved because Democrats are using guns to kill each other – and want it to stop – whereas Republicans are using guns to defend against Democrats. Psychologically, those are different risk profiles. And you can’t reconcile those interests, except on the margins. For example, both sides might agree that rocket launchers are a step too far. But Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as “Put down your gun so I can shoot you.”
It does indeed, and not only to Republicans. What gun control advocates don't understand is that they are advocating a very violent civil war that will lead to the end of the Union. Millions of Americans all across the country will absolutely shoot anyone who attempts to disarm them, and moreover, are also willing to shoot anyone who advocated their disarming.

We all know that the government has its lists. Do you really think that gun owners don't too? The only reason they're not shooting gun control advocates now is because they don't believe it to be necessary in order to keep their guns.

Do you really want to convince them otherwise?

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Blogger YIH June 25, 2016 4:44 AM  

Do you really think that gun owners don't too? The only reason they're not shooting gun control advocates now is because they don't believe it to be necessary in order to keep their guns.
We have our lists... Just in case.

Blogger Kona Commuter June 25, 2016 4:46 AM  

As an Australian law abiding firearm owner my message to my American friends is to not give ONE inch. They'll take that inch and then move onto the next inch whilst never ever conceding a single point.

Anonymous DavidKathome June 25, 2016 4:58 AM  

3D printers are getting to the point of printing the more complex parts of an AR-15. Gun control is dead.

Blogger JACIII June 25, 2016 5:03 AM  

A Hillary win would start the government acting in a serious manner toward gun owners as a group - we saw some of this under Carter and her husband and it would involve night raids and dead middle class citizens to be made examples of.

This will put the dissolution of the US into bloody action. People are aware of this when they consider which candidate they will vote for. They were aware of it when they elected lincoln, too.

Blogger Human Animal June 25, 2016 5:10 AM  

3D printers are getting to the point of printing the more complex parts of an AR-15. Gun control is dead.
You're engaging with material reality. That's now how the enemy thinks. This is about enforcing a ban on individual moral authority to decide and use violence to protect Life, Liberty and Property.

The man who surrenders his tools is the man who has surrendered his will to fight.

Blogger Sherwood family June 25, 2016 5:30 AM  

I had a conversation with one of my colleagues on this topic. She was incensed that people could still "think" about keeping guns or even buying new ones after the Orlando shooting. I led her through the logic and the data.

She is a hard core Hillary supporter and the most telling moment came when she said of the Orlando shooter, "He was investigated by the FBI. He should never have been able to own a gun."

I asked her to clarify if I understood her correctly. "You're saying that if someone is merely investigated by the FBI they should lose a constitutionally guaranteed right, is that correct?"

"Of course. We can't let dangerous people have guns."

"Just to be clear...you believe FBI investigation alone, not conviction, should make someone ineligible to exercise their constitutional rights?"

She doubled down. "Yes...of course."

"Okay...well I guess your presidential pick just became ineligible to exercise her constitutional right to run for president."

She was...gobsmacked. Then I said, "Do not arrogate to yourself and your political affiliates powers that you don't want to see exercised by the other side. If you don't want to die by that sword you should put it away."

She left that conversation with something to chew on, that was for sure.

Anonymous Sam the Man June 25, 2016 5:35 AM  

The real reason might be more that there are simply too many weapons to control. There are now conservatively something like 12 million "assault rifles" in the US (1994 crime bill definition, over 125 million handguns. In the stats that have banned or sharply restricted them or magazines(CA, MA, NJ, NY, HI, MY, CT) there have been no real indications of any compliance. Lots of illegal arms, there is a Mexican standoff.

One thing the anti-gun folks have not seems to account for is that they are expecting northern European obedience patterns to formal law, from a population that is soon to be 50% non European. Will not happen.

Not sure about the revolution or hit lists though. Who exactly is going to do this? To be successful the folks must be like the jihadists. But the folks intelligent enough to do this are not inclined to do such acts, unless the government has done something like killed their kids, parents or similar. If such resistance was likely the states that had already banned guns would have seen such actions....which they have not. You might descend to a Mexican style of government/anti-gang shadow government violence, but it took the Mexicans around 3 decades after imposition of severe gun control in 1968, and a complete current collapse to get to that kind of disorder. There will still be a 50% European population. Brazil, which has pretty sever gun control and around 40~42% European stock, has not gone that route.


Blogger Kona Commuter June 25, 2016 5:37 AM  

@ #6 Sherwood Family

Damn - Nice shut down.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2016 5:38 AM  

Millions of Americans all across the country will absolutely shoot anyone who attempts to disarm them, and moreover, are also willing to shoot anyone who advocated their disarming.

I find it ... interesting how thoroughly advocates and sympathizers completely lose their shit when you point this out to them. They just don't want to hear it, despite the clear logic of it, and the severe disdain they hold gun owners in, that is, their claims about our morals or lack thereof would seem to encompass this, but somehow....

Of course, pointing out that no one living in a big Blue city is safe is particularly disturbing to everyone.

Blogger American Spartan June 25, 2016 5:39 AM  

Human Animal wrote:The man who surrenders his tools is the man who has surrendered his will to fight.


How true. Think of cheap metal printers and the shit fit leftists will pitch and how cheap it will be to make anything.

Blogger American Spartan June 25, 2016 5:48 AM  

Very true. More over they do not think as Whites become more and more "Alt Right" (as the remaining whites are mostly right leaning as leftist do not breed beyond replacement) we will care less and less and refuses to obey laws that the diversity led government in D.C passes?

When you have mouquese in MI that have RPGs and full autos in the basement, or Mexican barrios filled with suppressed full auto Aks you are not going to turn in your AR.

One good ambush of ATF agents and the fence sitters will see that they are not SEAL team 6 but a bunch of Armor Clad thugs that are only good for home invasions.

More over Gun Control is nothing more then Anarcho-tyranny.
The law will come down on you productive middle class worker like a ton of bricks if you displease the super-state. But that same super-state is supremely indifferent to even it’s most basic duties with respect to you–basic public order, like catching and killing or tossing out invaders, keeping them from terrorizing you and your family or simply not looting the public welfare.
The super-state shows absolute contempt for the interests of actual taxpaying citizens, but then finds within itself the wherewithal to dish up tedious lectures about how obeying and paying for the state are the highest, most supreme values.

Anonymous JAG June 25, 2016 5:55 AM  

Millions of Americans all across the country will absolutely shoot anyone who attempts to disarm them, and moreover, are also willing to shoot anyone who advocated their disarming.

This is absolutely the real reason the 2nd Amendment exists. You have to be a cuck, or shitlib to disagree.

There is no question that should the left ever get their majority on the Supreme Court they will take it away. Therefor, any cucks that claimed to be Republicans that are openly announcing their votes for Clinton are guilty of treason in my opinion. They know where this leads, and the loss of life that will result.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2016 5:57 AM  

@7: Sam the Man:

Not sure about the revolution or hit lists though. Who exactly is going to do this?

If they're in your local small to medium sized town or whatever, if things get ugly enough it'll be easy enough to do, but in a very discriminating way:

To be successful the folks must be like the jihadists.

Not at all like that. Instead, learn how to hit a man sized target at 300 yards or so, which is relatively easy, and do it "surgically". Read up on snipers, this old classic will get you very far, note that it can be difficult to detect the location of a single high velocity shot since people are paying attention and the sonic boom of the projectile will come from a different direction. And be careful and not too ambitious, rather than overall stupid like the Beltway snipers. See also this new classic on how to do it up close and personal.

Note also that many local authorities will provide tacit or greater support to such efforts; certainly not all and probably not most, but plenty of them.

And then there's the ease of killing big Blue cities: @9.

But the folks intelligent enough to do this are not inclined to do such acts, unless the government has done something like killed their kids, parents or similar.

But that would of course be happening in such a scenario, and there will be plenty of people who'll realize it's only a matter of time until it's their turn, and that they'd better get proactive. It doesn't take many to tie adversaries into knots, the above last link claims that there were only about 200, I think it was, PRIA terrorists, who had much worse access to guns and training in them. And they weren't fighting such a war to the knife.

You points about culture are well taken, but I have to point out we're not one of any of those cultures, and the response of many gun owners to repressive states was to simply move out of them, as did I. In this scenario, that wouldn't be an option.

OpenID simplytimothy June 25, 2016 6:03 AM  

"If you attempt to take our guns we will kill you" is true, cuts through the bullshit and sets the stakes right where they should be. The responses are of two kinds (so far)

1. silence
2. insults and only insults. (including "internet tough guy")

I used it against some globalist who argued that "free trade" and "globalism" where our masters now and that Nationalism (ala brexit) was doomed.

If these guys want their new world order, they are going to have to bleed and die for it. They are a whisker away from preemptive, defensive "euphemisms". Thankfully, politics are getting some results.




Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2016 6:04 AM  

@12 JAG:

There is no question that should the left ever get their majority on the Supreme Court they will take it away.

Nope, unless you live in Illinois, the Federal courts have been entirely useless, and an formal reversal of the Supreme Court's two recent pro-gun decisions would only make official what they're already doing, by refusing to hear all appeals from the lower courts that nullified their decisions. And this was before Scalia died, at least one of the justices' changed his mind or was turned.

Anonymous JAG June 25, 2016 6:09 AM  

If the shit hit the fan it would not be long before most millennials and the diversity crowd in big blue cities would be dead. Only a thug capable of organizing a small gang militia in the inner city would survive beyond the first couple of months by sheer force.

After that they will then migrate outwards when the lootables run out. Then they die as organized militias in the country take them out.

Any traitorous elites will have left North America for other continents.

Anonymous JAG June 25, 2016 6:11 AM  

@15 - I'm talking Clinton getting to name 2, 3, or even 4 replacements. A couple more Kagans and wise latinas, and they will go for it.

Blogger AdognamedOp June 25, 2016 6:20 AM  

Why gun control will never happen.... Cause I have a mutha fukin Gun.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2016 6:21 AM  

@17 JAG:

@15 - I'm talking Clinton getting to name 2, 3, or even 4 replacements. A couple more Kagans and wise latinas, and they will go for it.

Do you not agree with me that this will mean absolutely nothing, expect maybe if you live in Illinois, aside from getting us riled up?

The Supreme Court with Scalia absolutely and totally refused to enforce D.C. vs. Heller and McDonald vs. Chicago when the lower courts judicially nullified them outside of Illinois, "what difference does it make" if they formally reverse those two rulings?

Our power doesn't come from the Federal courts, or the Federal government in general aside from a few crucial laws and our ability nowadays to stop new bad ones, but from the various states where the governments are force to pay more attention to us. For example, aside from Illinois, the Feds didn't force 42 states to enact shall issue or better concealed carry laws.

Anonymous Punisher June 25, 2016 6:24 AM  

"If you don’t believe me, you can check the statistics on the Internet that don’t exist."

Are there any such statistics? Would be good for my back pocket...

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 25, 2016 6:30 AM  

Ouch!

We live in a world where a cartoonist sees things far more clearly than the professional pundits.

Anonymous Wild Bill June 25, 2016 6:30 AM  

Did anyone catch the irony of what Hellary said?.... that anyone being investigated by the FBI should not be able to purchase a firearm. She is under investigation by the FBI!!

Blogger weka June 25, 2016 6:33 AM  

@2. Agree. And it could be worse mate, you could live in Victoria, where all the Antipodean ideas that we can be regulated into righteousness seem to spawn.

For the Americans: This city bleeds Red (Labor -- you have the colours around the wrong way), is violent, corrupt, and has the main offices for almost all corporations in Australia AND New Zealand.

Blogger Neanderserk June 25, 2016 6:49 AM  

The solution is no mystery:

Let Democrats, being natural slaves, be disarmed by their betters. Then kill them all, except the white virgin girls.

Whip those who strip before the golden calves of Hedonism, and burn those who foul their tongues on Baal-Progress' cucky cock.

Surely Baal is Dialectic is Progress, and
Ashtoreth is Transvestite Tolerance.

He who fears Baal-Progress and not Jehovah is a fool.

Blogger YIH June 25, 2016 6:51 AM  

JAG wrote:Millions of Americans all across the country will absolutely shoot anyone who attempts to disarm them, and moreover, are also willing to shoot anyone who advocated their disarming.

This is absolutely the real reason the 2nd Amendment exists. You have to be a cuck, or shitlib to disagree.

Such as The American Cuckservative:
They had better not give in. Look, on gun control matters, I am generally — generally — more sympathetic to Democrats than to Republicans. But this mob insurrection on the House floor is profoundly unsettling. I have not looked closely at the legislation, so it is entirely possible that I might support the Democratic proposal. But to attempt to get one’s way by showing utter contempt for rules of the House? No. No, no, no. Their passion does not justify their behavior.

This country is in trouble.

He doesn't know the half of it.

Anonymous Bobby Farr June 25, 2016 6:58 AM  

@25 Hilarious. The cucks have really reached the point of self-parody. A "conservative" who will happily toss away a cherished right that has been thoroughly embedded in the culture for centuries but is horrified at the lack of decorum and disregard for the rules of the House shown by the Dems.

Blogger Ceasar June 25, 2016 7:23 AM  

And that people, is how mansplaining is done. Leave them confused,bewildered and most importantly, quiet.

Anonymous p-dawg June 25, 2016 7:23 AM  

If someone comes to take away your guns, always give them the bullets first.

Blogger Stilicho June 25, 2016 7:24 AM  

There is nothing Christian or conservative about Dreher. He denies reality, scripture, and espouses a less-smelly communism that apparently allows his particular brand of gaia based churchianity rather than the usual honest atheism.

Blogger Ceasar June 25, 2016 7:25 AM  

And that people, is how mansplaining is done. Leave them confused,bewildered and most importantly, quiet.

Blogger Human Animal June 25, 2016 7:26 AM  

Their passion does not justify their behavior.
Rules ought to curb vigor and convictions, tempering purpose with procedure, not to disguise the inability and verminized nature of the assembled.

http://i.imgur.com/IolLEyg.jpg

There's nothing left to curb now.

Blogger Stilicho June 25, 2016 7:57 AM  

George Will has left the GOP and endorsed the Lizard Queen over Trump because he feels that Trump will damage the GOP brand. Not a mention of the good of the nation, just worry over political brand perception. This tells you all you ever need to know about Will and his fellow travelers: they would rather destroy the nation than be called raciss! Will's knickers are so knotted at the thought of being associated with boorish manners that he would abandon every conservative principle he ever pretended to hold in order to maintain his persona of snobbish superiority.

Blogger Stilicho June 25, 2016 8:02 AM  

The rabbit is not wired to understand that there are things the wolf is willing to die for.

Blogger YIH June 25, 2016 8:02 AM  

Human Animal wrote:Their passion does not justify their behavior.

Rules ought to curb vigor and convictions, tempering purpose with procedure, not to disguise the inability and verminized nature of the assembled.

http://i.imgur.com/IolLEyg.jpg

There's nothing left to curb now.

That whole circus was stupid and silly, but at least it's not like Taiwan... Yet.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2016 8:07 AM  

@32 Stilicho:

[...] This tells you all you ever need to know about Will and his fellow travelers....

Will has for as long as I know supported gun control, advocated repealing the 2nd Amendment back in 1991 and I don't know when else. Which also tells us what we need to know about him.

Anonymous AmericaHahaHa June 25, 2016 8:10 AM  

Not much mention of what came of Trump's "conversation" with the NRA. He seemed to back off of the idea of terrorist watch lists once he realized he was alienating his own voters....

Blogger Dave June 25, 2016 8:15 AM  

If someone comes to take away your guns, always give them the bullets first.

Yes preferably at a high velocity.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2016 8:18 AM  

There is nothing Christian or conservative about Dreher. He denies reality, scripture, and espouses a less-smelly communism that apparently allows his particular brand of gaia based churchianity rather than the usual honest atheism.

Incorrect

Blogger James Dixon June 25, 2016 8:23 AM  

> They'll take that inch and then move onto the next inch whilst never ever conceding a single point.

Do you really think we don't know that? We've had over 80 years of examples.

> One thing the anti-gun folks have not seems to account for is that they are expecting northern European obedience patterns to formal law,

First, we now know the law will only be enforced on us, and never on favored groups or the elite. We act accordingly. Second, no informed and intelligent person has any respect for the law at this point. Decades of unnecessary laws and selective enforcement have destroyed the good will of the people.

> If such resistance was likely the states that had already banned guns would have seen such actions....which they have not.

No one has started a broad based confiscation attempt yet.

> George Will has left the GOP

He left the GOP base a long time ago. He just now made it official.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker June 25, 2016 8:47 AM  

Was chatting with a colleague the other day, a stereotypical Liberal Democrat and garden variety Obsessive type concerning gun control.

He was in open lamentation mode, moaning that we as a country simply cannot have an “honest conversation” on gun control and it’s the Right Wing’s fault.

So I read him the Riot Act:

First, when a gun controller calls for an honest conversation on gun control, this is what the pro-gun majority in the country hears: “Gun nut needs to shut up and do what we say!”

Second, if you really want to have an honest conversation, be prepared to listen. A pro-gun person will likely to tell you all or some of the following:

-The right to own and carry firearms in this country is a core civil right, just like freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and so on.

-The pro-gun majority believes this right is enshrined in the Constitution as a safeguard for the day when the U.S. government goes bad.

-The record of history of pretty convincing: Governments go bad all the time, in all eras, and in all cultures, and in all places. It’s only a matter to time, and many within the pro-gun majority believe America is at a critical juncture in this regard.

-The pro-gun majority will never trust anti-gun minority and its cadre of congressional enablers, because in the gun controller’s heart of hearts, he is aiming for the complete disarmament of the citizenry.

-The pro-gun majority believes the American Left needs disarmament before it can impose, by force if necessary, “overdue” social and economic changes in line with the collectivist agenda. (Call it the legacy of the Obama Years.)

-When the pro-gun majority hears talk of “common sense” gun control, it instead hears clever scheming about regulating gun ownership in ways that would effectively gut the Second Amendment

-The pro-gun majority frequently points to examples of highly restrictive gun regulations in Blue States—and is determined to prevent such “civil rights violations” from spreading.

Then I make a bit personal: “If you really want to break the power and prestige of the federal government, you know, the House that the Democratic Party built starting with the New Deal, then demand that it do the impossible, that it first outlaw and then confiscate guns.”

“If you want to transform the Democratic Party into the most hated organization in the country, kinda like the KKK, come and take them.”

My colleague took it well, all the while protesting his innocence: "But I really don't want to take the guns, I just want . . . "

Bonus: When it comes to the federal government, Liberals are like “Jo Jo the Circus Boy and his pretty new pet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUA2EzzWAC4

Anonymous MMX2010 June 25, 2016 8:52 AM  

The easiest and most infuriating argument to make against a gun control advocate is, "We should focus our gun control efforts on the twenty cities that have that highest gun related crimes."

Anonymous Godfrey June 25, 2016 8:54 AM  

First comes gun registration.

Then comes gun confiscation.

Then comes genocide.

I understand history therefore I will not allow myself to be disarmed.

Blogger Retrenched June 25, 2016 8:55 AM  

When you hear gunshots in a red county, it's because someone's trying out his new rifle. When you hear them in a blue county, it means someone is dead.

Anonymous AlphaOmega June 25, 2016 8:56 AM  

If 50 dead homosexual, leftist, SJW-type, whining bleeding heart liberals doesn't stir their own kind to arms against the enemy, then NOTHING will. Save for a few Milo-types, most have only doubled down on disarming everyone.

Anonymous Godfrey June 25, 2016 9:08 AM  

Slaves couldn't own weapons.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 25, 2016 9:30 AM  

#41 is on the right track, a nimble mind would have the mental and emotional defectives spewing jibberish within a minute.

Blogger Reed Schrichte June 25, 2016 9:36 AM  

The Democrats are shooting mostly Democrats. But it is the gun show conservatives who are advocating civil war, loud and long. Dumbasses they are. There are more Democrats.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 25, 2016 9:40 AM  

Too much overthinking here.

Leftists believe, first and foremost, in magic, i.e., the ability to reshape reality by passing statute law (which is nothing more than scratching rune on parchment and mumbling incantations.)

Pointing out the absurdity of gun prohibition (actually, trying to enforce a legal monopoly on guns by agents of the political establishment) is basically pointing to a reality that leftists don't even agree exists.

These morons think they can change reality by changing the abstractions (words) they use to describe it.

Push them off the balcony and watch them try to alter the acceleration of gravity by legislative or judicial fiat as the plummet to a sudden stop.

Blogger Keef June 25, 2016 9:43 AM  

It isn't anarcho tyranny it's just tyranny

Blogger dc.sunsets June 25, 2016 9:43 AM  

There may be more democrats than gun show conservatives, but I'm betting the much higher mean IQ of the latter, and the much higher mean inability to so much as feed themselves (without LINK) of the former makes all the difference.

Blogger GFR June 25, 2016 9:44 AM  

not even necessary. theres a page on the internet where a guy made an AK receiver out of a garden shovel. you can buy a book on amazon that shows you how to make a machine pistol out of parts available at home depot. every year in the us 5000 firearms are confiscated IN PRISONS!!!

Blogger toadbile June 25, 2016 9:44 AM  

Essays like this inspired many thousands of comments on Adam's blog, with many threats of violence. Since last week he has disabled comments, "temporarily." I liked wading through the Discus swamp after reading Dilbert; going to find some other place to muddy my troll kicking boots.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 25, 2016 9:48 AM  

Reed Schrichte wrote:The Democrats are shooting mostly Democrats. But it is the gun show conservatives who are advocating civil war, loud and long. Dumbasses they are. There are more Democrats.
Ten men with guns can control a thousand disarmed people; that goes up to ten thousand if you're willing to make examples of the first few troublemakers.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 25, 2016 9:49 AM  

PS: There are now so many AR-pattern guns in the USA that sellers were still knee deep in stock last week. Everyone who wanted one has one...or 2, or 3 (they're so varied and customizable that it's common to see people accumulate different "builds.")

Guns aren't the problem. A balkanized, affirmative action political system that's destroying the USA is the problem.

Blogger Matthew June 25, 2016 10:02 AM  

When you truly believe that someone is dangerous, you do not antagonize him. Thus we see that the gun controllers are lying.

Blogger Stilicho June 25, 2016 10:14 AM  

@josh, fine, what is conservative or Christian (vs churchian) about rod dreher?

Anonymous BGKB June 25, 2016 10:14 AM  

reason they're not shooting gun control advocates now is because they don't believe it to be necessary in order to keep their guns

Would poisoning gun control advocates have the same effect as shooting them? Someone in the Ukraine could put out some cocaine laced with rat poison for Biden's son.

To be successful the folks must be like the jihadists. But the folks intelligent enough to do this are not inclined to do such acts

The fired black LAPD Dorner was able to avoid all assets of the state & national guard for over a week, and the guy who shot a Trooper that messed with his sister in PA avoided capture for a month with all the power of the eye of Suaron searching for just them. If one person in each state was willing & smarter than them there would be little chance of being caught, 3 people in most states would totally overwhelm the system.

Of course, pointing out that no one living in a big Blue city is safe is particularly disturbing to everyone

Its not just shooting the coolant of power substations they have to worry about but a couple of bubbas with tannerite taking down high tension power lines.

Are there any such statistics? Would be good for my back pocket

In 1993 Forbes posted that affirmative action cost us 4% of the GDP, which is more than Dept Of Education spending. Do you think anyone would be honest about it today?

Anonymous BGKB June 25, 2016 10:30 AM  

that anyone being investigated by the FBI should not be able to purchase a firearm. She is under investigation by the FBI!!

To be fair she only buys fire water not fire arms.

Dumbasses they are. There are more Democrats.

Once the food stamp cards go down the free stuff army will cannibalize the liberal whites living near them. Also even our gays and little girls can shoot tight shot groups, the lefts bangers only hit those they don't aim at.

Blogger Lovekraft June 25, 2016 10:36 AM  

One day, when we wake up, turn on our computer and realize this and other similar sites are blocked, what then? Who do we appeal to? There's no chance I will pick up a newspaper or subscribe to cable for my news. No chance.

Whether this would lead to us going on about our lives, thinking 'hey, it was fun while it lasted', or whether it would be an impetus to bring these verboten voices new light is the question.

Anonymous cheddarman June 25, 2016 10:40 AM  

BGKB, given the moslem hatred for gays, you may one day find yourself leader of the Pink and Lavender Feather Boa Legion

Anonymous Bobo June 25, 2016 10:41 AM  

As per target selection, for those of us who lived thru Katrina, we saw the thugs go wild on one side, and the NatGuard & LOCAL sheriffs deputies forcefully disarming homeowners on the other.
In the coming unpleasantness, they will work hammer & tongs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88nuoPPZa_k

Anonymous BGKB June 25, 2016 10:46 AM  

Katrina, we saw the thugs go wild on one side, and the NatGuard & LOCAL sheriffs deputies forcefully disarming homeowners

People who came back from volunteering with Katrina said the Turner diaries came true. Most of them would have said blacks are equal before they went down.

BGKB, given the moslem hatred for gays, you may one day find yourself leader of the Pink and Lavender Feather Boa Legion

No I fled die verse city because I wouldn't want to be the only armed man in the gayborhood when the food stamp card went out.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2016 10:48 AM  

@59 Lovekraft:

One day, when we wake up, turn on our computer and realize this and other similar sites are blocked, what then?

We then find where they've moved to.

And if the Internet has been sufficiently compromised by the powers that be that they can't be on it at all, it's a clear signal a line has been crossed and it's time to turn up the heat in our currently cold civil war.

If it's just Google getting fully social justice converged, instead of their Doodles, that would be a generally bad sign, but mostly for them. As for now, we're hearing a report that they need to fine tune their hypersensitive spam scoring, or stop whomever in the org who's decided to kneecap Trump.

It's more likely something of the former, GMail is from every report I've heard (and I've specialized in this area in times past) a bad service if you actually care about receiving the email sent you.

Blogger David Power June 25, 2016 11:02 AM  

I've hear many on the left advocating for a prohibition on firearms, while simultaneously arguing that decriminalising certain drugs will take the illicit market away from violent criminal gangs and establish proper checks and balances.

Anonymous A Visitor June 25, 2016 11:12 AM  

Sherwood, even though DSS probably investigated you, if your colleague or you brings up the topic again, be a true shitlord and simply ask them if it applies to all FBI investigations. When they say yes, say OK, so you're saying that people were investigated by the FBI for security clearances should not be able to have guns. Got it. *mic drop*

And for those wondering, as someone who used to do federal background investigations, the FBI still does some. No I wasn't FBI.

Blogger James Dixon June 25, 2016 11:16 AM  

> When you hear gunshots in a red county, it's because someone's trying out his new rifle.

Or hunting deer to put food on the table.

> But it is the gun show conservatives who are advocating civil war, loud and long. Dumbasses they are.

No one here is advocating anything other than to be ready.

> There are more Democrats.

How many of them are armed? How many are even capable of making themselves pick up a gun? And rank and file Democrats are nowhere near as supportive of gun control as their leadership.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes June 25, 2016 11:18 AM  

The beauty of the gun control debate is it serves as a shortcut that reveals everything you need to know about someone's political views. It cuts to the chase in a way that no other issue does:

Do you fully support, without equivocation or nuance, a citizen's constitutional right to self-defense or do you not?

If you do not, even in part, it means that you view constitutional rights as being maleable to the preferences of the moment.

You might be a free speech absolutist, but that doesn't matter one iota because once push comes to shove you'll have no means to defend that right. At your core you are not truly a free speech absolutist. You are merely one as long as it's permissible by the state.

The 2nd Amendment is a near perfect litmus test because it tells me whether you believe any of our rights are actually inalienable and enforceable, or merely rights that you support for momentary convenience. Without an absolutist position on the 2nd Amendment, no other right matters.

Blogger Neanderserk June 25, 2016 11:22 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:One day, when we wake up, turn on our computer and realize this and other similar sites are blocked, what then? Who do we appeal to?

All the more reason to download Scourby's audio KJV and the Modern Literal Version pdfs now.

Add kneemail and you've got uninterruptible 24/7 2-way comms.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados June 25, 2016 11:28 AM  

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Even IF Hillary wins (she won't), gun control is unenforceable and everyone knows it. There are plenty of liberals who value their 2nd Amendment rights. Local law enforcement (especially in rural areas) won't enforce it. Why would they? They know what would happen. Why should they take a bullet for the same federal government that has routinely thrown them under the bus again and again in the past couple of years?

National Guard won't do it. Their loyalty will be to the state, not to the Feds. That leaves the Feds themselves. They don't have the manpower, and they are so hated and reviled that the moment they tried something they would be painting a collective bullseye on their backs. That leave the military, and for the most part they aren't stupid or disloyal enough to do that shit (mind you I am generalizing). Last time I checked, the military hated Clinton and liked Trump.

The response wouldn't be a second Civil War, but a second Revolutionary War, and it would be the briefest war ever, because pretty much everybody would be zeroing in on Washington DC and the political establishment. The die-hard liberals won't be a factor because they are not armed. And do you think the armed guards for the establishment are going to die for them? I doubt it.

Like I said, unenforceable. Trump is just us trying to ease these dipshits out of building peacefully. If they persist with their dipshittery, it'll be the fucking guillotine for the lot of them.

Anonymous Sheik Yerbouty June 25, 2016 11:35 AM  

Well, I'm as unkucky as any of y'all but I think Vox and the rest of the chestthumpers here are dead wrong about the ability of people to resist gungrabbing. I actually think the best approach is gonna be to persuade the grabbers that such ain't in their best interests, and the way do do that will be by taking a page from the OJ playbook. So, if a few smiles show up in the necks of a few congressional staffers, and a few jurors can't any need to vote "guilty," then enthusiasm will be significantly blunted.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2016 11:38 AM  


@josh, fine, what is conservative or Christian (vs churchian) about rod dreher?


He's eastern orthodox.

Anonymous WinstonWebb June 25, 2016 11:39 AM  

Stilicho June 25, 2016 8:02 AM
The rabbit is not wired to understand that there are things the wolf is willing to die for.


Close.

The rabbit is not wired to understand that there are things the wolf is willing to KILL for.

Blogger Neanderserk June 25, 2016 11:41 AM  

Leftist: "Gun control virtue signaling blah blah"
Freeman: "If you would ban guns, first remove the bullets from your own flesh."
Leftist: "What? I don't have any..."
*Crack Crack Crack*

Other 10 leftists: "..."

It is no more rational to permit a gun-grabbing virtue-signaler to propagate his Pharasaical holiness-spiral-unto-democide than it is to permit a degenerate demagogue to whip up a lynch mob of lowlifes to burn down your house. The solution is to shoot both in the head as soon as intent registers. Phinehas did not stand on due process; neither did Stalin.

Due process is an institution of mutual masculine respect and justice, neither of which now exist. The older law is: Strike first.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 25, 2016 11:45 AM  

12. JAG.
There is no question that should the left ever get their majority on the Supreme Court they will take it away. Therefor, any cucks that claimed to be Republicans that are openly announcing their votes for Clinton are guilty of treason in my opinion. They know where this leads, and the loss of life that will result.

They don't even have to vote for Clinton, JAG. All that Juan McAmnesty, the Kentucky Undertaker, Miss Lindsay and their fellow Gay Old Pedos in the Chamber of Incitatuses have to do in the "lame dick" session in December is approve Housenigga Hussein's appointment of yet another (((Marxist))) to replace the deceased Scalia. It's not as they have much to fear, unless a President Trump would actually have the stones to arrest congress for treason and order a contingent of heavily armed Marines to march in and carry them off for speedy trials, along with arrest of the black-robed philosopher-kings on the same charge.

People make the mistake of thinking a Trump victory will solve the problem. That's an error in thinking. A closer analogy is the recent Brexit vote - it's a first step in the right direction. I don't notice many mini-Trumps running for office to replace all of the lying SJWs who wear R-jerseys. Miss Lindsay was easily re-elected in a supposedly 'conservative' state just 2 years ago. The cancerous, drooling zombie Juan McAmnesty is voted in repeatedly in another allegedly 'conservative' state. Then there are asshats like Pual Ryan over the the Ho-House, ever-ready to betray the morons who vote for them over and over. The D-Jerseys carry their hammer-and-sickle more or less openly. The R-jerseys hide theirs beneath faux-patriotism.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 25, 2016 11:54 AM  

@71 and he will sell you out in a heart beat if he thinks you subscribe to "badthink".

He isn't a Christian, he is a "works" churchian.

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Anonymous Anonymous June 25, 2016 12:05 PM  

-The fist shots of the American Revolution where in response to the British attempting to confiscate arms being stored at a town near by. We have been down the Gun Confiscation path before.

-Only about 3% of American Colonists actively participated in the American Revolution. They only had the support of about 30% of the population. A small armed group can make a big difference.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis June 25, 2016 12:07 PM  

A different perspective:
Not all blue cities are the same. Chicago for example almost all gun violence is limited to certain areas. Take those away and gun crime is the same as white red areas.
The shooters don't have long guns. They don't have much ammo. They lack accuracy. Few own vehicles. They lack intelligence. And most of them are scared of white people.
In a breakdown of civil order roadblocks will provide containment. And the white suburbs do have long guns, ammo, and vehicles.

Anonymous Claymore June 25, 2016 12:12 PM  

Another thing is that many of us who use guns for sporting and self defense also have ready access to metal lathes, drill presses, band saws, welding equipment etc.. So basically we can make our own parts, and even make "improvements" if necessary.

Anonymous KPP June 25, 2016 12:14 PM  

Even if they did manage to take away the guns, this is what you can do in countries where guns are banned:

https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/

One of the entries there shows guns made by a 10-year old kid.

One of the first steps to being ready is to be a gun owner in the first place. Then, make a plan to arm your like-minded neighbors and family if things get bad. I personally have 5 extra carbines from http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/ in 9mm. Inexpensive, reliable, ammo is cheap and it will get the job done if the time comes.

Anonymous Ain June 25, 2016 12:16 PM  

"it comes off as “Put down your gun so I can shoot you.”"

It comes off that way because that's what it is!

Anonymous Jack Amok June 25, 2016 12:33 PM  

John Lee Malvo tactics directed at Chris Doner targets. The State will find itself running short of agents in due course.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 25, 2016 12:41 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:One day, when we wake up, turn on our computer and realize this and other similar sites are blocked, what then? Who do we appeal to?
If I were more proactive and technically up to date, I'd already be part of one or more darknets.  Sadly, my skills belong to a previous generation and I'm spending my time doing writing.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box June 25, 2016 12:44 PM  

"It'll NEVER happen here" is a tired, boomer excuse for doing nothing.
If you can't see all the points leftist authoritarians have put on the board in the last 15 years & how the neocons/RINOs/GeOPapi$t$ have ENABLED it, maybe you've been wearing too large a hat...
Or are completely braindead.

Blogger Tom Kratman June 25, 2016 12:47 PM  

In any case, when and if it comes time to see gun control loons into the great beyond, it would be better to see them off with some other means. Not that this will stop them, stop people who would ban bayonet lugs because of the incalculable number of drive-by bayonetings we see in this country (incalculable because non-existent), and call for more gun bans after a knifing, but it's better not to give them ammunition to use with the wishy-washy middle.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box June 25, 2016 12:54 PM  

Did anyone catch the irony of what Hellary said?.... that anyone being investigated by the FBI should not be able to purchase a firearm. She is under investigation by the FBI!!""
-WB

And will NEVER be indicted because she'$ Khazar-Papi$t cabal, what's your point?

Blogger FALPhil June 25, 2016 12:57 PM  

@78 Claymore
Another thing is that many of us who use guns for sporting and self defense also have ready access to metal lathes, drill presses, band saws, welding equipment etc.. So basically we can make our own parts, and even make "improvements" if necessary.

And have done so.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box June 25, 2016 1:00 PM  

"it comes off as “Put down your gun so I can shoot you.”"

It comes off that way because that's what it is!""

Absolutely, but most Americans are not born here, hooked on the Welfare narcotic, afraid of what the neighbors would feeeeeel about them, and/or have been castrated by marriage and doing whatever the little femiNAZI of the house wants for the empty promise of a warm, wet place to stick it...
That doesn't bode well for the resistance, as this is ALSO The "it'll NEVER happen here" crowd.

Anonymous Rolf June 25, 2016 1:02 PM  

Active gun controllers are beyond logical, fact-based reasoning and arguments. They cannot be reached via dialectic. They are in the grip of an emotional feedback loop, and can only be reached via rhetoric. (Note: fence-sitters and casually anti-gun people can be convinced via dialectic and experience, but that's an entirely different group). So, use rhetoric.
Anti-gunnie: We should ban them all!
Pro-gunnie: No. Your move. You takin' point, bub? Or do you just want to hide behind... guys with guns going door to door to take their property, kind of like the redcoats did? You do know what happened to traitors, Tories, and sell-outs, right?

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box June 25, 2016 1:06 PM  

All this, because
ass-whuppin's>Ritalin &
Keep/kick the FREAKING RAGHEADS Out
has made too much sense for half a century!

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2016 1:13 PM  

@87 Galt-in-Da-Box:

doing whatever the little femiNAZI of the house wants....

The little femiNAZI of the house will change her tune when the government can no longer enforce her will upon the rest of the family, or she'll die, which will also solve this particular problem.

And when the money runs out for welfare, that population will learn the old rules of root, hog, or die, although plenty who are trapped in dying cities won't have a chance.

Put it another way: ignoring the sanctity of life as our adversaries do, a whole lot of people who are a net drain on society are only valuable for the votes they give certain politicians. Change that part of the system and they become much less important, and if they can't make things or competently pull triggers, perhaps entirely unimportant.

Anonymous meh June 25, 2016 1:32 PM  

But Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as “Put down your gun so I can shoot you.”

AKA the Jayne Cobb school of persuasion.

Anonymous Sagramore June 25, 2016 1:45 PM  

@15 Right now I'm engrossed in the Canada-Finland extradition treaty since Canadian courts seem to be protecting bad actors who steal money from the government. Okay, how about that pulp mill you ripped off?

Blogger Unknown June 25, 2016 1:59 PM  

@88

It is even simpler than that. When talking face to face with someone advocating for gun control, tell them right to their face that if they get what they want you will kill them. Not the cops, not the politicians, them.
You need to make it personal to them, and remind them that much like Bill Clinton went after the supporters of the Serbs in 1998, you will similarly go after the local gun control supporters in your own AOR. And you will not wait for the cops to show up at your door, once word gets out that the raids have started (and it will get out), that is all the warning order you will need to commence operations on your own, in your own area.

Blogger Harold June 25, 2016 2:04 PM  

@11 I suspect that there may be mosques with arsenals in the U.S. I don't live near a mosque. If you do, and you have actual knowledge of an arsenal within, you have a responsibility to act. Starting with bringing proof of said arsenal to local police. Should they fail to act, THEN you get together with like minded people, and perform a video recorded raid to confiscate the weapons.

And, you had better be correct about the arsenal's existence, or it all backfires. If you were correct, you have choice now what to do with it. Turn it over to the same authorities that refused to act, or distribute to the militia members that did. Without keeping records. I'd opt for option 2 there.

Mere suspicions that a mosque has weapons stored within isn't enough. Gotta have some kind of hard evidence to act.

Anonymous AltTrash June 25, 2016 2:37 PM  

"Millions of Americans all across the country will absolutely shoot anyone who attempts to disarm them, and moreover, are also willing to shoot anyone who advocated their disarming."

Red herring...no movement to take guns.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 25, 2016 2:49 PM  


Red herring...no movement to take guns.


Soros isn’t getting his money’s worth from you, Trash

Anonymous Rolf June 25, 2016 2:50 PM  

AltTrash - BS. There are a LOT of people that would like to do just that.

They just don't think they can do it w/o getting shot yet. Funny how that works.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 25, 2016 2:51 PM  

Red herring...no movement to take guns.

Soros isn’t getting his money’s worth from you, Trash.

Blogger FALPhil June 25, 2016 2:53 PM  

VD: Millions of Americans all across the country will absolutely shoot anyone who attempts to disarm them, and moreover, are also willing to shoot anyone who advocated their disarming.

The economics are simple - after the first one, the rest are free.

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Anonymous SciVo June 25, 2016 3:01 PM  

Elijah Rhodes wrote:The 2nd Amendment is a near perfect litmus test because it tells me whether you believe any of our rights are actually inalienable and enforceable, or merely rights that you support for momentary convenience. Without an absolutist position on the 2nd Amendment, no other right matters.

It tells me whether they actually believe the words of our founding documents, that power resides with the People and we delegate it to our government representatives and public servants; or if they believe that power resides with the State and its bureaucratic overlords, who might or might not grant us privileges at their discretion.

Seen through that lens, anyone who advocates gun control is anti-American in his heart and should be exiled.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 25, 2016 3:23 PM  

>Active gun controllers are beyond logical, fact-based reasoning and arguments. They cannot be reached via dialectic. They are in the grip of an emotional feedback loop, and can only be reached via rhetoric. (Note: fence-sitters and casually anti-gun people can be convinced via dialectic and experience, but that's an entirely different group). So, use rhetoric.

Rolf is correct.

The problem is that the left is now functionally mentally ill. The delusion bubble is everything to them now. When you can convince yourself that there are northwards of 58 genders instead of the usual 2, you are beyond the bonds of sanity.

They can't even respond to rhetoric at this point they just BLOCK you or go fully Trigglypuff and start screaming at the top of their lungs to drown you out.

Blogger Unknown June 25, 2016 4:05 PM  

If I would not have lost all my evil black assaulting guns in a freak boating accident I'm sure I would have vigorously defended my right to keep them.

Anonymous jdgalt June 25, 2016 4:14 PM  

If and when a general gun ban is enacted, they'll certainly keep it a secret until they can send a squad of cops to each home known to have a gun, demand to see it, and collect it (even if they have to tear the home apart in a search).

Obviously the first few people they visit will not have any opportunity to resist. What's important is that they sound the alarm so that the rest of us can either move our guns somewhere they won't be found, or gather to defend ourselves and say no. Sound the alarm by as many channels as possible, because the enemy will certainly try to prevent it, and at least some parts of the Internet can be shut down by government order.

Blogger Stilicho June 25, 2016 4:18 PM  

@josh, attending church does not make one a Christian. See, e.g. churchianity, pope Francis, etc.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 25, 2016 4:23 PM  

The issue won't be gun control but ammo control. I expect California and some of the other deep blue states will try it first.

best to stock up I think

That said home made ammo isn't impossible to make and ammo is easy to smuggle. Its fairly pointless to regulate it when people can easily cross state lines.

No one knows how much ammo there is but the US which has a robust production and considerable imports suffers spot shortages caused by civilian demand

A federal ban probably won't happen anyway as it might be Der Tag if it did.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 25, 2016 4:28 PM  

Thing to keep in mind;
Older cartridges, like .30-06, 8mm Mauser .303 British, 7.62x54R, etc, are sized for black powder. Newer calibers, like .223 are not.
Black powder is easy to make at home.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 25, 2016 4:34 PM  

SciVo wrote:Elijah Rhodes wrote:The 2nd Amendment is a near perfect litmus test because it tells me whether you believe any of our rights are actually inalienable and enforceable, or merely rights that you support for momentary convenience. Without an absolutist position on the 2nd Amendment, no other right matters.

It tells me whether they actually believe the words of our founding documents, that power resides with the People and we delegate it to our government representatives and public servants; or if they believe that power resides with the State and its bureaucratic overlords, who might or might not grant us privileges at their discretion.

Seen through that lens, anyone who advocates gun control is anti-American in his heart and should be exiled.


I many ways the US would well prosper, pun intended if we sealed our Southern border an dumped the criminals,illegals Leftists, troublesome freaks (but I repeat myself) and most non Whites over the border regardless of origin.

We have to have something akin to the DMZ ala Korea after but it would be cheap and punish Mexico.

The anti wall people complain about the cost but at the high end its 1/3 of 1% of the budget , basically nothing. That said we lack the will to maintain roads and bridges and its going to take one hell of a leader to get back to snuff

I'm just hoping Trump is up to it.

Blogger Josh June 25, 2016 4:47 PM  


@josh, attending church does not make one a Christian. See, e.g. churchianity, pope Francis, etc.


I never said it did

Blogger rcocean June 25, 2016 5:19 PM  

I agree with Scott Adams. Everyone knows that the Left is completely uninterested in punishing criminals. Chicago has one of the highest rates of gun violence in the usa AND the strictest gun control. All it does is keep guns out of the hands of the law abiding.

Blogger rcocean June 25, 2016 5:20 PM  

I agree with Scott Adams. Everyone knows that the Left is completely uninterested in punishing criminals. Chicago has one of the highest rates of gun violence in the usa AND the strictest gun control. All it does is keep guns out of the hands of the law abiding.

Anonymous Clay June 25, 2016 5:49 PM  

You know, I don't like "gun shows".

I've been to bunches. Most of them are rip-offs.

Seems like every one I've been to, would require filling out the same forms as a relative weapons dealer.

Where is the supposed, "loophole"?

Anonymous AltTrash June 25, 2016 6:04 PM  

Imagine how much defense of the second amendment could have occurred in Newtown if Aitomatic weapons were not banned!

Let's try to get more Americans killed!! Overturn the Aitomatic Weapons ban!

I return you now to your regularly scheduled Tinfoil Conspiracy Show.

Anonymous Clay June 25, 2016 6:10 PM  

Automatic weapons are banned...without a special, expensive license, you goober.

Blogger Stilicho June 25, 2016 6:14 PM  

That's the evidence you provided...membership in an organized church.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2016 6:31 PM  

@112 Clay:

Seems like every [gun show] I've been to, would require filling out the same forms as a relative weapons dealer.

Where is the supposed, "loophole"?


It's the "private sale" "loophole". Let's say instead of a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) selling at the show, I, an simple individual, have a surplus gun or two, and for some reason want to sell it at a gun show instead of, say, GunBroker.com (as I've used to both sell one gun and buy another). As long as I'm "not in the business", which isn't precisely defined, but generally pretty clear†, I can do that on either platform without paperwork or going through an FFL, unless and until the buyer is from another state and is going to transport it to that state, or something like that.

With an online site like GunBroker.com it's much more likely the buyer is out of state, and in that case he supplies an FFL to ship it to, and at that FFL's store the normal retail NICS check is done. Avoiding the NICS check is the "loophole", except, of course, it's perfectly legal and intended to exist (and if it didn't, we'd be very suspicious that this had become backdoor national registration, a line that should not be crossed).

†Team Obama made a lot of noise after Sandy Hook, I think it was, about closing this "loophole" by redefining "being the business", but nothing came of it as far as I know, the definition is in the hands of the courts, not them. And that would have been particularly vile, since one of the biggest purely administrative actions by Clinton was to drive all the "kitchen table" FFLs out of business by requiring them to have a storefront that was zoned for such business.

There's no pleasing the gun grabbers short of our losing our weapons, since that, of course, is their real objective.

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan June 25, 2016 6:36 PM  

Well, I know.

But it is a constant on the media, including FOX, that calls the gun shows a "loophole".

I don't understand how they get away with it. Stupidity?

Anonymous Clay June 25, 2016 6:43 PM  

And yes, I understand what you are saying. BUT.

I still don't see a "loophole".

Thanks,

Clay

Anonymous That Would Be Telling June 25, 2016 6:46 PM  

@117: As we all know, the MSM gets away with a lot of lying, can even confuse things so much that an unexpected Brexit happens (apparently voters even lied to the exit pollers that some banks employed).

The target, which they seem to have given up on attacking this way, is, I'm told, nothing less than gun culture itself. Gun shows are said to be critically important socializing etc. venues.

Now they're getting more direct, Bloomberg is successfully funding state laws and initiatives with a goal to prevent the temporary lending of firearms, such as happens in training, formal or informal, in an attempt to suppress the creation of new gun owners, as well as creating yet another flypaper law. As I recall Maine and Nevada are up this election season.

Blogger GFR June 25, 2016 7:25 PM  

@AlTtrash. Guns are banned in mexico - but their homicide rate is two to three times that of the US, and the criminals have access to weaponry that their military does not.
.
Ban guns in the US and the number of people killed in violent crimes would increase by at at least ten fold - why would you want hundreds of thousands of innocent people to be killed unnecessarily?

Blogger GFR June 25, 2016 7:32 PM  

Adams article is good but I think he has made a mistake.
.
Interviews done with career criminals in jail show that when they set out to commit crimes they almost always take a gun along - but they VERY RARELY use it.
.
They need the gun in order to protect them from OTHER CRIMINALS. Criminals who are robbed while they are committing a crime cannot appeal to law enforcement for protection or to the criminal justice system for redress. They are responsible for their own security.
.
Some of these individuals were willing to say that they hope that the civilian population is NEVER disarmed because they know that carnage would result.
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They know their colleagues you see..

Blogger Avalanche June 25, 2016 8:43 PM  

@62 "I wouldn't want to be the only armed man in the gayborhood when the food stamp card went out."

My (sweet lily-white)(i.e.: naive) neighbors whom I have finally, delicately, gotten to recognize "they ain't like us!" all joke that -- when the race war starts (whaddyah mean: when! {eye roll}), they're all coming to MY house. (Cause I'm the armed one.) I joke back: "bring food and water or your not getting in!"

But I'm also looking for a lighter place to flee to. {sigh} Great neighbors, great house; 'darkening' area...

Blogger Noah B June 25, 2016 8:52 PM  

"Black powder is easy to make at home."

It's possible, but I wouldn't call it easy. You really need a ball mill. It's easy to make crappy mixes that barely even burn, and if you do get it right, black powder is extremely dangerous. Also, the rifle cartridges you listed never used black powder. Smokeless powder is superior in every respect I can think of for use in firearms.

Anonymous andon June 25, 2016 8:52 PM  

A.B. Prosper June 25, 2016 4:34 PM

I many ways the US would well prosper, pun intended if we sealed our Southern border an dumped the criminals,illegals Leftists, troublesome freaks (but I repeat myself) and most non Whites over the border regardless of origin.


lol, that would be the best.

Anonymous andon June 25, 2016 9:01 PM  

Millions of Americans all across the country will absolutely shoot anyone who attempts to disarm them, and moreover, are also willing to shoot anyone who advocated their disarming.

i wish this were true but i doubt it.

that would be great country to live in.

Blogger James Dixon June 25, 2016 10:02 PM  

> i wish this were true but i doubt it.

With over 300 million people, millions is less than 1%. I'd say it's a safe bet.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 25, 2016 10:32 PM  

PS: There are now so many AR-pattern guns in the USA that sellers were still knee deep in stock last week. Everyone who wanted one has one...or 2, or 3 (they're so varied and customizable that it's common to see people accumulate different "builds.")

Guns aren't the problem. A balkanized, affirmative action political system that's destroying the USA is the problem.

Anonymous BGKB June 25, 2016 11:35 PM  

Easy answers for dealing with gun grabbers.
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/10/one-hundred-heads.html

And, you had better be correct about the arsenal's existence, or it all backfires.

I believe RPGs are flammable, just make sure you cover your tracks. Have a relative that looks like you buy some stuff far away with your credit card with your cell phone.

Black powder is easy to make at home.

I guess I better get around to placing bat boxes.

The anti wall people complain about the cost but at the high end its 1/3 of 1% of the budget

ZIKA ANCHOR BABIES will cost more than their birth weight in gold to taxpayers every year of their life.

Anonymous Hoss June 25, 2016 11:37 PM  

Someone said it's not about gun control; it's about showing the folks in flyover country who's the boss. I'll sit back with a Jameson and ginger and some popcorn and watch to see who steps up to grab the first guns from all those folks clinging to their Bibles and guns. Good fucking luck.

Anonymous AltTrash June 25, 2016 11:57 PM  

"Ban guns in the US and the number of people killed in violent crimes would increase by at at least ten fold - why would you want hundreds of thousands of innocent people to be killed unnecessarily?"

Red Herring. There is no movement to ban guns in the U.S. However, some guns are banned. Not all. No Automatic weapons. And for a good reason.

Why does the Alt Right lie? There is no movement to ban guns in America.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 12:33 AM  

The NRA should use the SJWlist as an example and create a GunControllerList

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 12:52 AM  

@28 p-dawg
If someone comes to take away your guns, always give them the bullets first.
---

And then take their guns, and add them to your stash

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 12:54 AM  

@32 Stilicho

Was over on BB earlier talking about George Will.
I never followed this loser, so was asking around.
Did people think he is a Cuck, a neocon, or a globalist?

It seems he hangs out at the bilderbergs so he must be a globalist. Brexit must have shown him the way the winds are blowing, and he's bailing out early.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 12:58 AM  

Found this

Turkish politician threatened with gun in Bulgaria
https://youtu.be/nVVwX019acM

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 1:05 AM  

My Gun Control analogy

I remember when I was a kid I saw some documentary about Chimps. They had been trained to push a big red button, and a banana would come out of some hole in the wall.

But when they pressed that red button, and no banana came out, they went ape shit.

Banana = Gun Control
Chimps = lefty dumbasses

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 1:11 AM  

@57 BGKB

If one person in each state was willing & smarter than them there would be little chance of being caught, 3 people in most states would totally overwhelm the system.
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How long was it Rudolph was able to hide out without getting caught?

Blogger GFR June 26, 2016 1:35 AM  

@AltTrash. "Why does the Alt Right lie? There is no movement to ban guns in America."
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That's weird because here's a youtube video of senator dianne feinstein saying that she wanted to take everyones guns away in 1995: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/01/01/reminder-sen-feinstein-said-she-wants-all-guns-banned/

Blogger Were-Puppy June 26, 2016 1:36 AM  

@106 A.B. Prosper
The issue won't be gun control but ammo control. I expect California and some of the other deep blue states will try it first.
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They already did this, within the last several years. I couldn't find 9mm ammo in several nearby states. Now what they did with all that ammo, I have no idea.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 26, 2016 3:39 AM  

Noah B wrote:It's possible, but I wouldn't call it easy. You really need a ball mill. It's easy to make crappy mixes that barely even burn, and if you do get it right, black powder is extremely dangerous. Also, the rifle cartridges you listed never used black powder. Smokeless powder is superior in every respect I can think of for use in firearms.

1) I have made black powder, from things I had at home. It's easy. A ball mill is just a big can with brass balls in it, mounted in a rock tumbler. You can make one for less than $100. Manure, wood ash, sulfur and charcoal.
2) every one of those cartridges is sized for black powder.
3) better vs available is a question of limited utility

Anonymous Thomas June 26, 2016 5:03 AM  

I've come close to pointing out to gun control proponents how readily PACs, political interest groups (like the Brady Campaign, etc.) sell their mailing lists for marketing purposes dirt cheap.

Anonymous Look at House cleaning Warwick NY click here June 26, 2016 5:56 AM  

If we had a real government – the kind that works – we would acknowledge that gun violence is not one big problem with one big solution. It is millions of people with different risk profiles voting their self-interest as they see it.

Anonymous SciVo June 26, 2016 10:19 AM  

I might be the last person to realize this, but it's possible that #BLM is actually completely logical.

Law enforcement are practically the only whites that shoot blacks. So, #BLM's focus on cops instead of criminals would make perfect sense if it's an astroturf movement that's part of a broader push to demonize, humiliate, disarm and control law-abiding whites.

So, #BLM doesn't care about black crime victims because the perps aren't white, and that's what matters.

Likewise, it's possible that gun control advocates are actually completely logical in not caring that criminals would still have guns.

If the real purpose of gun control advocacy is to make the authoritarian State less vulnerable to critique, then really they only need to make it easier to harass peaceful citizens. Why would they care about thugs?

Criminals are already in the system; they're already under the State's thumb, already trying to fly under the radar. Likewise, even the nicest illegal aliens are completely vulnerable to extensive State action if they annoy TPTB.

So if you take gun control advocates at face value, then they're off their rockers; but if the real purpose is to make it easier for TPTB to suppress dissent, then the criminal loophole is a non-contradiction.

It therefore follows that there's no point in making any kind of reasoned argument with #BLM or gun grabbers. "Your lies lack internal consistency!" Yeah, real effective.

Anonymous andon June 26, 2016 11:24 AM  

AltTrash June 25, 2016 11:57 PM

Why does the Alt Right lie? There is no movement to ban guns in America.


why does the alt trash lie? the left would love to ban guns in America

Anonymous andon June 26, 2016 11:33 AM  

James Dixon June 25, 2016 10:02 PM
> i wish this were true but i doubt it.

With over 300 million people, millions is less than 1%. I'd say it's a safe bet.


I fear that most of them are just brave talkers. take for example the folks that speak of the Tree of Liberty needing refreshing from time to time and right in their face is a treasonous current occupant and congress - and what do they do about it? nothing

Blogger Scott June 26, 2016 2:55 PM  

We should be more concerned about ammo control. Any decent machinist can build a speced AR. But try manufacturing .556 ammo. The propellant chemical comp, the primer and chemicals and material, the casing. All high precision, high volume repeatability. We take this for granted. Your AR amounts to an awkward baseball bat without proper ammo.

Anonymous BGKB June 26, 2016 3:22 PM  

I've come close to pointing out to gun control proponents how readily PACs, political interest groups (like the Brady Campaign, etc.) sell their mailing lists for marketing purposes dirt cheap.

Could someone buy the names and addresses then pass out flyers in the nearest didndu land of them. Unarmed and easy to rob.

Blogger Noah B June 26, 2016 4:09 PM  

By far the cheapest and most practical solution is to stock up on reloading components in locations where they're available. It's tricky enough when you buy pure saltpeter, but I am extremely skeptical of anyone who claims to have made acceptable gunpowder starting from manure and wood ash. Here's a taste of what that looks like for anyone who hasn't tried this. And after all that work, the end product is crap that's totally unsuitable for use in firearms. In the Revolutionary War, most powder was smuggled in from France after attempts to produce it in sufficient quantities domestically repeatedly failed.

In any case, when things go sour, people are going to have much more pressing tasks than spending days extracting and purifying a few ounces of saltpeter from hundreds of pounds manure and wood ashes. Right now, quality smokeless powder is readily available for $25/lb.

Blogger JWM in SD June 26, 2016 7:33 PM  

Gun Control won't happen through the ordinary course of legal process. It will happen as a reaction to something that appears to be externally driven if not internally encouraged.

Think False Flag...that's the only it would really happen. The problem is that I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility at this point.

Blogger Akulkis June 27, 2016 7:12 AM  

@47

"But it is the gun show conservatives who are advocating civil war, loud and long"

SJW's always project.

The only ADVOCATES of another civil war in the U.S. that I have ever heard for my entire 50 years on this earth have been Leftist Democrats and other Marxist scum.

Blogger Akulkis June 27, 2016 12:43 PM  

@102

"They can't even respond to rhetoric at this point they just BLOCK you or go fully Trigglypuff and start screaming at the top of their lungs to drown you out."


At that point, you use their favorite device -- personal reality -- against them.

Step 1: Stomp on trigglypuff's foot.
Step 2: Listen to it change tunes to how you stomped on its foot
Step 3: Deny stomping on its foot
Step 4: Listen to it explain how it clearly felt you stomp on its foot
Step 5: Deny stomping on its foot
Step 6: Listen to it explain how it clearly saw you stomp on its foot
Step 7: Step back a pace or two, then patiently say the following words: "That's YOUR reality dear, not mine."

Step 8: Watch the utter and complete meltdown.

Blogger Akulkis June 27, 2016 1:23 PM  

@105


"Obviously the first few people they visit will not have any opportunity to resist. What's important is that they sound the alarm so that the rest of us can either move our guns somewhere they won't be found, or gather to defend ourselves and say no. Sound the alarm by as many channels as possible, because the enemy will certainly try to prevent it, and at least some parts of the Internet can be shut down by government order."

Use paint and any old white sheet to make a sheet sign -- than mount it at the nearest hiway overpass.
Must be simple, and easy to read at a distance.

"THEY'RE TAKING THE GUNS!"

That's all it takes to make it clear to every passing motorist what is happening.

I won't wait for them to come to my house to shoot the gun-raiders --- I'll shoot them when they are still at my neighbor's house.

By the way, I did some war-gaming on this at the very low tactical level. Once the word is out that police are actively taking guns, it will be utterly suicidal for the police to perform "back up" for any house-call -- as the accumulation of cars will IMMEDIATELY draw the attention of the entire neighborhood, who will then perform a double-envelopment on the gun-grabbers in uniform, and pick them off in no time. Their only place of refuge will be IN the victim's house. If they have already cut off the victim's electricity, gas, and water --- they've just made their own prison -- as the local neighborhood will not soon be letting any utility personnel turn the power, gas, and water back on.

Blogger Akulkis June 27, 2016 1:23 PM  

@105 (cont.)


That's one of the HUGE changes between 3rd generation and 4th generation warfare. In 3rd generation (industrial age) warfare -- congregating large numbers of troops is essential to winning battles. In 4th generation warfare -- large units are nothing more than incredibly inviting targets -- the optimal effective size is the squad (8~15 men) or fireteam (3~5 men), depending on lines of sight and how much armor vehicles have on them.

A raid on one house can only use, at most, about 6 gun-grabbers before they become way way way too inviting a target. Meanwhile, the neighborhood can literally surround them with 20 or more rifles. Any attempt to load confiscated weapons into a squad car == dead gun-grabber who never made it back to the vehicle.

The only real monkey-wrench in the works is police utilization of excess armored vehicles from Iraq -- the crew compartments are safe from everything up to a .50 cal (but not shaped charge explosives). THIS is why the federal government has been trying to push as many of these armored. The ONLY reason a police force would EVER need such vehicles is if they are going against the entire population of a neighborhood. If the neighborhood is OK with what the police are doing, a squad car is sufficient protection -- you don't need armored vehicles to operate in FRIENDLY territory against, say, a meth house -- vehicle engine blocks are sufficient cover while things last -- if snipers are needed, the population will let them set up and operate. But if the entire neighborhood realizes that the cops are confiscating all firearms, the police CANNOT utilize snipers, because the sniper team will be killed by other gun-owners in the neighborhood before they even get in position.


Losing 1 cop per gun-raid, the typical police force of -- pressing 100% on duty -- about 20 cops/square mile -- will lose a lot of personnel very quickly -- They'll only be able to use helicopters for a day or two before each helo takes so much small arms fire as to be in danger of malfunctioning in mid-air. There's a reason that the only aircraft used against Hanoi were fast-moving jets, and not helicopters. Even WITHOUT surface-to-air missiles, helicopters are incredibly vulnerable to small arms fire when the entire landscape below is filled with hostile rifles.
You might say that command and control helos can hover above 2000 feet or so -- but the higher they go, the less effective they are.

And once the gun-grabbing begins, it won't take long before a loyal-to-the-citizens munitions depot releases all of their stinger anti-aircraft inventory. At that point, it's game-over for police helicopters. Mere RUMORS of stinger missiles were enough to keep Soviet helicopters grounded in Afghanistan, and at least one mujahadeen leader knew, and exploited that fact -- wherever he went, he would let it slip out that he had a couple stingers -- and invariably, the spies among the populace would relay that information up, and his grid-square would be designated a "no fly zone" by the Soviet army air controllers.

Blogger Akulkis June 27, 2016 1:27 PM  

@107


Uh, no. Every military arms producer in the world had switched over to smokeless powder by 1900.

For example, .303 British was originally loaded with an extruded stick of cordite.

Blogger Akulkis June 27, 2016 1:48 PM  

@135

"My Gun Control analogy

I remember when I was a kid I saw some documentary about Chimps. They had been trained to push a big red button, and a banana would come out of some hole in the wall.

But when they pressed that red button, and no banana came out, they went ape shit.

Banana = Gun Control
Chimps = lefty dumbasses"


Close... very close.

Banana = EBT card
Chimps = well... you know.

Blogger B.J. June 27, 2016 3:46 PM  

Scott wrote:We should be more concerned about ammo control. Any decent machinist can build a speced AR. But try manufacturing .556 ammo. The propellant chemical comp, the primer and chemicals and material, the casing. All high precision, high volume repeatability. We take this for granted. Your AR amounts to an awkward baseball bat without proper ammo.

Handloading + 3D printer.

Anonymous Clay July 01, 2016 4:30 PM  

I know weapons a being used a a priority here.

But, as usual, Clay has a stupid story!

Something I read before in this thread reminded me..

I went to Catholic Scool for nine years. I was the "Head AlTar Boy"...I had the keys to the wine safe:). for two of the years..

Anyway. I got to make sure that the bells in the steeple were constantly synchronized.

I'm still deaf , basically, in my left ear from that....much less, shooting handguns.

I still like to ride by that church, and hear those bells gong.

The End.

Anonymous Clay July 01, 2016 4:31 PM  

I know weapons a being used a a priority here.

But, as usual, Clay has a stupid story!

Something I read before in this thread reminded me..

I went to Catholic Scool for nine years. I was the "Head AlTar Boy"...I had the keys to the wine safe:). for two of the years..

Anyway. I got to make sure that the bells in the steeple were constantly synchronized.

I'm still deaf , basically, in my left ear from that....much less, shooting handguns.

I still like to ride by that church, and hear those bells gong.

The End.

Anonymous Clay July 01, 2016 4:32 PM  

I know weapons a being used a a priority here.

But, as usual, Clay has a stupid story!

Something I read before in this thread reminded me..

I went to Catholic Scool for nine years. I was the "Head AlTar Boy"...I had the keys to the wine safe:). for two of the years..

Anyway. I got to make sure that the bells in the steeple were constantly synchronized.

I'm still deaf , basically, in my left ear from that....much less, shooting handguns.

I still like to ride by that church, and hear those bells gong.

The End.

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