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Friday, July 08, 2016

4GW in Dallas

11 police shot at Black Lives Matter in Dallas:
Eleven police officers were shot ambush-style, including five fatally, in Dallas Thursday night by at least two snipers, amid a protest against the recent police shootings of two black men, Alton Sterling in Louisiana, and Philando Castile in Minnesota, according to the Dallas Police.

The condition of the six wounded officers remains unknown. One civilian was also injured.

Officials said the gunmen aimed to kill as many officers as possible.
U.S. police have had this sort of response coming for a long time. Spacebunny and I were just talking yesterday about the shooting in Falcon Heights, which is very close to where we used to spend our Friday nights wandering the stacks at the Barnes & Noble, and how the police are never held accountable for lethally shooting people.

As Spacebunny tweeted:
  • I called Dallas last week.  Not in Dallas, but the retaliation. 
  • They created the climate by constantly and systematically protecting their own.
  • Everyone should be held accountable for their mistakes.  Especially when it costs someone their life.
  • If you don't fix the general problem of cops literally getting away with murder, people will be sniping them all over. 
  • The problem is very obviously systemic. Everyone knows nothing is going to happen to a cop who kills someone
As of November, 1024 people were killed by police in 2015, 204 of them unarmed. For all that the police almost uniformly claimed to have been fearing for their lives, only 34 police were shot and killed during the same period. The public may be collectively stupid, but they're not incapable of recognizing that statistical imbalance or that the police are trained to lie, obfuscate, and pretend that they are in danger when they are not.

Unless and until the police give up their military-style affectations, "us vs them" mentality, and most of all, their legal unaccountability, they're going to find themselves fighting a war against the American people. And it is a war they simply cannot win.

What happened in Dallas may be shocking, but it isn't even remotely surprising. Many people have seen it coming; what will likely prove the most surprising aspect of this incident is how many people will remain utterly unsympathetic to the Dallas police and their bereaved families. The police may consider themselves above the law, but they are not beyond the reach of an increasingly outraged public.

Is it a tragedy? Of course. Even worse, it is an unnecessary one. Did these specific police officers deserve to die? Almost certainly not. But no amount of moral posturing or striking ferocious pro-police poses is going to change the fact that the only way to avoid more attacks like this is for the police departments of America to stop pretending that being scared is sufficient justification for shooting a member of the public and start holding their killer cops fully accountable for their actions every single time an unarmed or non-aggressive person is shot.

The present situation is not one that any sane individual would celebrate, but it is one that many, including me, have been predicting for a long time. I'm only surprised that it didn't happen sooner, especially in light of how many innocent military veterans have been shot and killed by police in recent years.

This is the heart of the problem. BLM may be the proximate cause, but until the causal problem of a lack of police accountability is addressed, the situation is only going to get worse.




UPDATE: "The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people - especially white officers." - #Dallas Police Chief David Brown

As Bill Lind writes, 4GW is nothing if not messy. Forget your binary lines and single-cause simplicities.

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Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 08, 2016 5:05 AM  

Not so fast. This may be manufactured.

One could argue that this is the fruit of George Soros' investment in his black-lives-matters-styled agitation propaganda. This very well might not be a manifestation of the people's will. This may be provocateurs and paid assassins.

I don't like how the police have been. I also don't like how shit is being stirred up to compel and control the masses.

Anonymous Ellipsis Lacuna July 08, 2016 5:11 AM  

Expect another really hard push for "common sense" gun control yet again. I don't know what guns the shooters used and I suspect it won't matter to the anti-2A nuts.

Will there be a civil rights investigation? Hate crime charges? For that matter, wait and see how long they delay revealing the race of the attackers and whether they downplay any BLM connection.

I'd be keeping an eye out at other protests from now on.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 08, 2016 5:15 AM  

It's the operant conditioning training that the police get. I have had this training, and I along with other "civilian" instructors have been warning for years that this "killbot" training may be good for soldiers (though I'm told by people who deal with PTSD cases that it's not even good for soldiers) in war zones is terrible for "community policing". In the Baton Rouge incident they are shouting "get down on the ground" while shooting a man who was already on the ground. They shout that during training when they shoot targets. I have seen that. I have even seen New York state Park Police shouting "KILL KILL KILL!" while engaging targets. WTF do park police have to kill over, littering?

You have a toxic mix: Operant Conditioning to turn the cops into killbots on even an inkling of a chance of a presumption of a threat - and even "loss of control" of a situation. Add to that a "YOU CAN GET KILLED YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO MAKE IT HOME AT WHATEVER COST!!!!!" police fear culture. And finally, plop them in a community that statistically has a propensity for higher crime statistics (albeit mostly on each other).


To wrap it all up, the police behave like a gang. Accountability is low.

Yeah it was a long time coming. But of course before the bodies are cold, the blame will fall on the Second Amendment, Trump, the AR-15, and the NRA. Throw in a few other things for good measure.

Nothing positive will come of this, and the warnings about Operant Conditioning will go unheeded as usual and the toxic mix will go on as usual while all the wrong things get blamed as usual.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 5:15 AM  

Not so fast. This may be manufactured.

Irrelevant. They couldn't have successfully manufactured it if the environment hadn't been created by the hyperviolent, militarized U.S. police.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 08, 2016 5:19 AM  

I dissent.

Blogger weka July 08, 2016 5:25 AM  

@5. They couldn't have successfully manufactured it if the environment hadn't been created by the hyperviolent, militarized U.S. police.
It is more than that. The police in NZ used to never be armed, and had cooperation. But then the traffic cops were merged (who no one liked) then there was zero tolerance for speeding -- getting pinged on the speed limit over holiday periods, which increased the road toll -- and then the use of police video for entertainment.

Add to the fairly volatile Kiwi mix of English and Polynesians (Maori. Tongans, Rarotongans and Somoans) a new wave of immgrants -- initially from China, but now from Somalia Pakistan and India -- and the cops over here are starting to go all Robo.

I'm upper middle class and white. And I avoid them.

Yes, this is predictable. But it is a consequence of a loss of national cohesion, which can be sheeted home to the elite mistrusting and micromanaging the productive.

Blogger Human Animal July 08, 2016 5:26 AM  

And if the image is that cops are above the law, who's going to be lining up to become cops?

That's right: Benevolent pacifists. Who love opera.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 08, 2016 5:26 AM  

Damn. The problem being that the BLM tantrums work against any real reforms.

We've got two problems here. One is the usual drill of a perp getting legitimately shot, then the "dindu nuffin" crowd tries to manufacture excuses. The other is PDs that refuse to police themselves.

And every time the BLM crowd tries to cover for Klepto Thuggo, they protect Officer Bullyboy.

Anonymous Jay Will July 08, 2016 5:27 AM  

My impression is that US police are trained to see the population as the enemy. What the media do is lie about what is driving this. They try to make out that it is a cop problem, the little guy cop, also that its a white cop problem. Its really a problem of a a top down ideology that sees average citizens as a threat to elites.

Seen any number of police videos with cops shouting "get on the ground" or something similar having filled him full of bullets. Also the classic "stop resisting" when the guy has four lumpers on top of him and appears out cold. To what extent they do this because its happening that way, or because they want anybody in earshot to hear it and justify them giving a good hiding.

You can both believe there is a big cop problem, and that American poor blacks are a problem. Dont think leaders care, they see both as just a problem to utilize to maintain power or move things where they want.

Why is nobody shooting these people? How come the little guy is getting it. Its them up top who are to blame for most of this. They have to come down.

Blogger Caladan July 08, 2016 5:29 AM  

I have a feeling you read this wrong, Vox. The anger may very well be turned towards BLM and Middle America may very well side with the cops on this.

Anyway, I do know which Presidential candidate has gotten more votes from this tragic incident.

Anonymous Jay Will July 08, 2016 5:30 AM  

There's no way that zero elites are getting hurt because they are behind all of this. That would be crazy talk.

Blogger Sherwood family July 08, 2016 5:31 AM  

A couple of things come to mind: 1) the "War" on drugs precipitated a lot of this militarization because the thinking was that the police had to be supplied and trained to go up against the cartels. It is the same Elliott Ness/Untouchables crap from the Prohibition Era but it didn't stay confined to dealing with the cartels. 2) us-vs.-them mentality is decidedly not helpful for most routine police functions. Citizens, even criminal citizens, are not enemy combatants. They are still entitled to due process. 3) Whoever did this is angling toward reinforcing an us-vs-them paradigm. They WANT this to blow wide open. This feeds into racialist and racist fantasies on both sides of the divide. The idea of BLM types launching guerilla style warfare against police or the idea of enough "organized" violence enacted by BLM types to justify an even harder crackdown by police and society at large.

While I think BLM is out of control the black community, rightly or wrongly, believes that it has legitimate grievances when it comes to police violence vs. blacks. It doesn't matter whether statistical realities argue that the perception is not actually true. What matters is that is what people believe and are acting on. Blacks need to be reassured that they are not being unfairly targeted by racist cops. The best way to do this, in my opinion, is to allow heavily black areas to have black only police forces, etc. While there are arguments that this won't actually reduce violence in police/civilian interactions what it would do is reduce the perception of racial animus as the motivating factor.

In any case hyperviolent militarized police really are not a requirement for most communities in the U.S. There are undoubtedly some places were military type equipment would be helpful and aggressive tactics are needed by that is not most places. Most places need more of a beat cop mentality where the officers know who is in the neighborhood and the people in the neighborhood know them.

Anonymous Hapax Legomenon July 08, 2016 5:31 AM  

The whole attack is very peculiar but I'm not calling "manufactured" yet. Wasn't the protest march only put together in the past day in response to the Alton Sterling and Philando Castile shootings? That's VERY short notice for three (four? more?) well armed and apparently trained snipers to coordinate a group attack (and hitting ONLY cops in a large crowd of people implies some training; they weren't just shooting blindly in every direction ... heck, their aim was better than most cops.)

These guys were way too good. There's one video showing one cop engaging with one shooter, each ducking and weaving around two large white building columns. The attacker is composed and agile. He defends and attacks better than the cop, and finally catches the cop from behind while the cop thinks he's somewhere else, shooting in the wrong direction. This is not amateur-hour stuff here. I eagerly await the release of more information about these guys.

Scarier part: With three or four coordinated shooters, there could well be more out there, biding their time.

Blogger Ron July 08, 2016 5:34 AM  

@VD

this is going to be a chicken and egg comment.

A system with endless laws and no real constitutional rights, creates an imperative for the police to be brutal and hyperviolent.

On the other hand, a police force that has no interest in being hyperviolent will simply not enforce endless, insane, arbitrary laws.

The responsibility is on the idiot electorate to repeal most of the fucking laws that require a hyperviolent police to enforce

The responsibility is on the corrupt culture to turn to a God based moral system that would be disgusted by a hyperviolent police force.

Blogger Stilicho July 08, 2016 5:34 AM  

Herr Doktor, good points and we see the result all the time, from the recent MN killing by a cop at a traffic stop to daily harassment of citizens just to "maintain control" at all times. Sheriff Andy is almost extinct and we've replaced him with a bunch of up-armored Barney Fifes screaming "respect mah authoritah!" a la Eric Cartman. What could go wrong? Oh, yeah...

Anonymous Hapax Legomenon July 08, 2016 5:35 AM  

"In any case hyperviolent militarized police really are not a requirement for most communities in the U.S."

Most police shootings of citizens do not involve militarized units. As in the cases the other day, it's usually one or two cops with sidearms. Situations where a SWAT team needs to be called in usually involve well armed and barricaded suspects, or multiple suspects, not unarmed (or lightly armed) individuals.

Blogger Samuel Nock July 08, 2016 5:36 AM  

"The anger may very well be turned towards BLM and Middle America may very well side with the cops on this."

Its not mutually exclusive: cop culture is out of control, and black thug culture is out of control. Vox focused on the first one in this post, but it's not as if he has never addressed the other.

If people haven't done so already: read Lind.

Blogger Ron July 08, 2016 5:36 AM  

@Hapax

Unfortunately, this is looking more and more to be a false flag.

::spits::

Anonymous DissidentRight July 08, 2016 5:37 AM  

How many of the gunmen were white?

Blogger David F. July 08, 2016 5:40 AM  

If the police are hyper-violent then I want data. So far we have cases like the media-driven witch hunt against Darren Wilson, which had no case to take to trial (Wilson is still in hiding--his life is wrecked). The irresponsibly prosecuted Freddie Gray murder cases are falling apart, but the cops involved will have to watch their backs for the rest of their lives. I find it very implausible that police are eager to shoot blacks, when they know that even a justified shooting can get them thrown to the wolves.

It's a mistake to assume that the shooting of an unarmed attacker is automatically unjustified. A police officer who is being overpowered by a suspect or in a struggle for his gun is justified in using deadly force. These cases need to be scrutinized more closely, not simply thrown together as evidence for hyper-violence.

You may be familiar with the "Ferguson Effect"--the increase in black on black murders since the riots in that city, arguably as a result of more fearful, hands-off policing. Police stood down during much of the riots, and were almost entirely passive when Trump supporters were beaten in San Diego.

I want real criminality and misconduct punished, but at present I'm not seeing evidence of any real increase in unjustified police violence. What I am seeing is years of demonization of the police and incitement of blacks by the media, without any concern for whether or not the latest atrocity is real or simply political railroading.

Blogger Stilicho July 08, 2016 5:41 AM  

Sherwood, I'd bet your black on black policing would result in the black cops controlling the drug trade in their area within 18 months. And by controlling I mean running it for profit just the way the other gangs do now. Of course, it might be a marginal improvement, but I tend to doubt it.

OpenID dudequest July 08, 2016 5:43 AM  

Huh, I never would have suspected VD of siding with BLM Killers.

Blogger AdognamedOp July 08, 2016 5:43 AM  

Hillary's lovin this.

Blogger Phillip George July 08, 2016 5:45 AM  

ditto Ron,'
What this situation calls for is calm and solidarity.
I suggest a candle lit vigil
The Eiffel Tower should be lit up in the colors of the Lone Stare State/ we can stare them down? - catchy?
We need a slogan now more than ever:
Je Suis Lone Star State.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 5:52 AM  

I have a feeling you read this wrong, Vox. The anger may very well be turned towards BLM and Middle America may very well side with the cops on this.

We'll see. But as someone has already pointed out, there is no reason to side with either BLM or the police. Neither is on the side of white Middle America.

If the police are hyper-violent then I want data.

Police in the US kill citizens at over 70x the rate of police in other Western countries. They kill citizens at a rate 92x higher than police in China, a communist dictatorship.

US police are INSANELY violent.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 08, 2016 5:58 AM  

They couldn't have successfully manufactured it if the environment hadn't been created by the hyperviolent, militarized U.S. police.


Think what you will, Vox. Perhaps they're merely taking advantage of a situation. I do not know.

However, you can bet your bottom dollar the shitlibs will now race forward to control guns as much as possible after this. The timing is too perfect.

Anonymous old man in a villa July 08, 2016 5:58 AM  

Diocletian called this one.

Problem-Reaction-Solution.

Everybody put on your thinking caps, what was Loretta Lynch doing on the tarmac in Arizona last week before her meeting with Bill Clinton? That's right, preparing to seize yet another local PD for our Fed overlords.

You think that isn't the end game?

Local policing is about to go the way of the hoop skirt in favor of FED Community Policing which will likely be a hyper armed version of TSA with more authority, lower IQ's , less ties to the communities, stronger ties to DC, the added tool of being able to shield their excesses ala youtube/world star hip hop via "National Security" issues being invoked and then have them all in place just in time for the big 2nd amendment repeal when Qween Hillary is sworn in come January.

This is like Shakespeare if you're really paying attention.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 5:58 AM  

It's a mistake to assume that the shooting of an unarmed attacker is automatically unjustified.

That's stupid. It is not a mistake to assume that. It is certainly FAR more logically justified than to assume that the shooting of an unarmed attacker is automatically justified, which is what the police departments do.

Only those who have never encountered the police in another nation will fail to recognize that the US police are a hyper-violent, overly militarized problem. Americans have no idea how bad they have it in this regard. Police in other countries aren't trained to be suspicious and afraid.

Anonymous old man in a villa July 08, 2016 6:00 AM  

Oh, and who exactly did you think was not only training and arming these hyper violent new cops, but creating a specialized PTSD/low IQ cadre in their Middle East laboratory?

THE FEDS!

This was a genius move on their part, I have to give them that much.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 6:00 AM  

However, you can bet your bottom dollar the shitlibs will now race forward to control guns as much as possible after this.

They do it on days that end in "y". What else is new?

Americans weren't moved by the massacre of kindergarteners or nice black people in church, they certainly won't give up their guns on behalf of a few dead Texas cops.

Blogger Phillip George July 08, 2016 6:01 AM  

Lon_Horiuchi - where is he when we need him? Waco used to be in Texas. The dots, the dots, we need to join the dots.

And the news fades from Hillary.

"the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" - all have sinned, all have fallen short of the glory of God. Reboot 101. Boot camp 101.

Blogger Phillip George July 08, 2016 6:06 AM  

second thoughts, isn't Dallas where Presidents banned convertibles?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 08, 2016 6:07 AM  

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the sentiment contained within your post, but I get the sense that your critique of law enforcement is framed by the BLM narrative. Once again, I might be wrong and if I am, I apologize. However, if you are doing this then that's is a huge problem for at least three reasons:

1) BLM is formed off the lie that Michael Brown is a victim. Lies of this nature are frequently used by race hustlers and poverty pimps to stir up a politicized frenzy in the Black community. Remember Trayvon? Remember Duke Rape Case? Remember Tawanna Brawley? BLM is no different from the Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons, and many other "Blacktivists". Their activism is based on an extremely harmful lie which seems to be embraced lock, stock, and barrel by the sheep within popular Black culture.

2) BLM, like the aforementioned "Blacktivists" falsely depict police violence and any type of white on Black violence (ie. racism) as a threat to Black people. This is nonsense. Black on Black victimization is the greatest threat because it occurs in infinitely greater quantities. Not only do the "Blacktivists" turn a blind eye to this, they also turn a blind eye to its causes which includes the destruction of the Black family. BLM is yet another example of Civil Rights Negroes (who are aligned with white liberals) pursuing approaches that are extremely harmful to the Black community while claiming to be advocates for the Black community.

3) BLM's brand of activism is a subset of SJW activism. What were those three maxims about SJWs? Those maxims remind me of the suspicions about white liberals that were harbored by Malcolm X (this is before he transitioned into El hajj).

I'm okay with discussions on problems within law enforcement but not in this context. Hell to the nah, nah, no! This only gives the appearance of legitimacy to a set of concepts, policies, and approaches that have utterly destroyed the Black community by destroying its infrastructure, its culture, and the family units which form the foundation of the aforementioned.

Blogger David F. July 08, 2016 6:07 AM  

"Police in the US kill citizens at over 70x the rate of police in other Western countries."

I wish that were otherwise. Unfortunately we have particular issues that virtually guarantee our police will be more violent. We have a fracturing society, massive diversity and unlike Europe, cops have to imagine a gun lurking under every shirttail. We also have an horribly dysfunctional and violent racial underclass that often responds to the police with unpredictable and irrational violence.

Blogger The Deuce July 08, 2016 6:14 AM  

I suspect BLM would find an excuse for cop killing even if the police weren't out of control. Given the black crime rate, it's inevitable that there will be plenty of run-insight with the cops that BLM can use to fuel their narrative, accurately or not.

Regardless of who the public sides with, BLM has just opened Pandora's box. They're now officially a domestic terrorist group with political support from many politicians including the President of the United States, and they've just placed assassination on the table as a "legitimate" political tool. And this on the heels of their threats and violence at Trump rallies.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 6:16 AM  

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the sentiment contained within your post, but I get the sense that your critique of law enforcement is framed by the BLM narrative.

My critique of law enforcement long precedes the existence of BLM or its narrative. My critique of law enforcement is informed by my police acquaintances, and is largely shaped by their very negative opinions about their colleagues.

Do you not understand that police are quite literally TRAINED to murder unarmed people and lie about what they are doing and why they are doing it while they are doing it?

That is an absolute fact in many police departments. You cannot defend that under ANY circumstance. There is absolutely no justification for it.

BLM is just another excuse to protect the police from being held accountable for their actions.

Blogger The Deuce July 08, 2016 6:16 AM  

"Run-insights." I can always rely on auto-correct.

Anonymous r July 08, 2016 6:19 AM  

I have a natural tendency to side with the police, but the police make it really fucking hard sometimes. Vox has this one right.

This is orthogonal to BLM being scum, and, if they're behind this shooting, terrorist scum.

Blogger David F. July 08, 2016 6:19 AM  

"BLM has just opened Pandora's box"

I have serious doubts that *BLM* conducted this attack. These shootings were carried out with considerable skill and coordination. All we've seen of BLM is a disorganized gaggle of Soros-funded hucksters, provocateurs, and their useful idiots. These shooters were serious. They may have been sympathetic to BLM...or they may have other motives.

Anonymous LSWCHP July 08, 2016 6:20 AM  

I would say most US cops post Ferguson would do anything they could to avoid shooting a black person, because they know they'll be thrown to the wolves if they do.

I've seen several hundred videos of US police shootings over the years, and in almost all cases the cops have shown what I thought was remarkable restraint. I've also seen footage where cops have died as a result of showing that restraint.

Yeah, there are bad cops out there, but I think that the anti-cop thing is largely a BLM and left wing beat up. Those bad cops should be caught and punished, but nobody, nobody, should be celebrating the visitation of collective punishment on the good men who died in Dallas last night. No doubt there will be women left without their men, and children deprived of fathers as a result of this. It's an atrocity, it cannot be justified or excused and no good will come it.



Blogger VD July 08, 2016 6:25 AM  

Yeah, there are bad cops out there, but I think that the anti-cop thing is largely a BLM and left wing beat up. Those bad cops should be caught and punished, but nobody, nobody, should be celebrating the visitation of collective punishment on the good men who died in Dallas last night. No doubt there will be women left without their men, and children deprived of fathers as a result of this. It's an atrocity, it cannot be justified or excused and no good will come it.

You're wrong. And you're not helping. The problem is the police. The only fix is therefore through the police. Defending the police is precisely what created the problem in the first place.

You don't even know that the men who died in Dallas were good. You just assume it, apropos of nothing.

You're part of the causal problem.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 6:30 AM  

This is orthogonal to BLM being scum, and, if they're behind this shooting, terrorist scum.

Exactly. Is everyone going to blame BLM when the next police shootings are by an angry white veteran or a Mexican cartel soldier?

We aren't even certain that the shooters were connected to BLM or were simply taking advantage of the knowledge that there would be a heavy police presence there.

Blogger David Power July 08, 2016 6:32 AM  

Let's not forget that, despite what the media would have us believe, blacks are far far far more likely to be killed by someone from their own community than a white police officer.

Here in London, the police were forced to stop their "stop and search" policy, after pressure from black groups and Liberals claiming the police were targeting blacks. Guess which ethnic group is now suffering an epidemic of stabbings?

Jumping on the "police brutality" band wagon, only alienates an already demoralised police force further, causing them to retreat and disengage. The biggest losers of such a policy will always always always be blacks themselves.

Blogger Phillip George July 08, 2016 6:34 AM  

Just keep the other pitchers in sight:

Staged “snipers” nested in buildings in Kiev shot police during the Maidan Square protester, and helped to destabilize Ukrainian society and politics:

don't be used up and spat out

Blogger pyrrhus July 08, 2016 6:39 AM  

In my home town, cops tasered a 98 year old man, who died of a heart attack.....but he wasn't "shot".

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 6:40 AM  

Sad but predictable. Put two groups of violence-prone people with chips on their shoulders into daily contact with one another and you're bound to get this result. Especially when both groups have, or think they have, protected status. The only surprising thing is it took so long.

Blogger Jack Ward July 08, 2016 6:43 AM  

This may be barry's excuse for martial law. Possibly look for more 'incidents' along these lines happening soon and sooner.
11 shot; 5 dead. That's pretty good shooting. Almost too good.
Just saying....

Anonymous Jay Will July 08, 2016 6:44 AM  

I think its worth repeating that its in the interests of those above to create hate, whether it takes them down too is another matter. But your reaction to this sort of thing is clearly either meant to be "i hate cops", or "I hate blacks". They are winding people up on purpose. The media is awash with hate encouragement. And blatant media lying helps that along nicely.

Get that Sherrif Clarke in the white house.

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 6:45 AM  

The whole point of BLM is to increase white support for the police state. It's turned a police vs the public issue into a black vs white issue.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 08, 2016 6:47 AM  

@36
I understand where you are coming from and I accept that. Such critiques of law enforcement are valid and there must be a discussion on that.

I was identifying BLM as representative of a set of narratives, and their resulting policy applications, that have played a significant role in distracting Black folks from the very things that have completely destroyed our community.

Once again, your points are valid and, as you've pointed out, these points precede BLM's formation.

I'm watching this unfold in the news. The crazy thing is that these events are occurring as Black on Black victimization rages. BLM's style of activism is an oft-repeating pattern which distracts Black folks from the very thing that is destroying our communities.

Oh look! My Facebook feed is showing there to be a planned protest today on the heels of the one that occurred yesterday. Here we go again!

Anonymous omar's running shoes July 08, 2016 6:48 AM  

"Put two groups of violence-prone people with chips on their shoulders into daily contact with one another and you're bound to get this result. Especially when both groups have, or think they have, protected status."

It's almost as if it were orchestrated, isn't it?

I wonder where this will lead?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 08, 2016 6:49 AM  

I need a drink.

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 6:51 AM  

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/police-shootings-aren-t-a-white-or-black-problem-070716

In 2015 nearly a thousand people were shot and killed by police. Almost all of those people shot, over 95%, were men.

That's probably not a surprise to you, but here was the racial breakdown of all people killed by police in 2015:

51.3% white

27.3% black

17.8% Hispanic

(38 people were other race)

And here were the racial breakdowns of police killings so far in 2016:

51.4% white

26.5% black

17.1% Hispanic

(23 people were other races)

Blogger Raziel Walker July 08, 2016 6:52 AM  

Why are people protesting in the streets before they even know what really happened?
First thing I thought after reading the news articles was that the protesters took up guns against the police just as VD predicted would happen. Except that these are not nationalists but BLM protesters.

Regarding gun control, the least the US government could do is allowing the ATF to use computers to track gun sales.

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 08, 2016 6:54 AM  

I don't think the training of the police was initially intended to be as nefarious as it turned out. Like most things broken things it probably started with a bureaucrat.

Working in various manufacturing industries with robust OSHA sponsored safety programs much of the language the police use for training is the same language used in manufacturing. "get home safe no matter what" etc. Some bureaucrat probably decided that policing was dangerous so they should adapt the same training to them.

The problem is the dangers to police usually involve the public. The best way to for an officer to keep himself safe is to incapacitate people or animals. The best tool in his tool box for accomplishing that goal while minimizing harm to himself is the gun.

Add to this the ole boys club gang mentality that has been a problem with police forces for centuries and you end up with a mix of no accountability combined with a mentality of "everyone one else dies before I take on even a 20% chance of getting hurt myself". You end up with the current state of affairs.

Blogger Chip Whitley July 08, 2016 6:57 AM  

Vox longtime lurker and a big fan of yours. I include that to add context to what I'm going to write. On one hand I appreciate you having a different opinion from the others I follow such as Milo, Lauren Southern, Cernovich, etc. I dont believe in echo chambers however I am very surprised by what you wrote here. I think it was very one sided and its almost as if it was missing a PART 2 where you eviserate the cop hating left as well.

1. Saying "they had it coming" to 11 police officers being murdered it akin to saying white people being harmed have it coming for lynchings and slavery.

2. I agree there are a lot of police abuses in this country. You touched on this in your latest tweet but the problem is SJWs and BLM make it purely a RACIAL issue. If there was a sane MLK type person who lead marches to reform the police without demonizing the police and making it into a "white vs black" thing I would absolutley support them but there isn't one in sight.

3. 11 police officers shot, 5 dead seems incredibly suspicious to me. Cernovich and Roosh had some points on this. Either its some black panther type group or islamic terrorist related. My point is that you're approaching this in a vacuum (police deserve this backlash because they do bad things). I feel there is a bigger picture which is this is all being orchestrated as a divide and conquer by the powers that be for a larger aim.

4. Unfortunately nuance is dead in a climate as we are in the US. This is a Cold War zero sum game. SJWs/liberals/identitarians hate cops. Therefore cops are not my enemies. I love middle ground but if I have to choose I'd still take the police over BLM and the crazy left. Sure I'd feel differently if I was black and lived in a very blighted city but with that said its not the POLICE that want to destroy freedom of speech in this country. Is it the police Vox that would censor you, call you a Nazi and imprison you if you could? Is it the police who want to impose this weird cult of "diversity" and 500 different genders and letting 5 year olds decide to be trans despite their parents wishes and target Christians? NOOO its the cop hating left. You literally wrote a book on SJWs so you know as much as everyone how evil those people are.

I have no particular fondness for the police but I look at those lunatics celebrating on Twitter tonight over the deaths of 5 human beings I'd rather side with the police.

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 6:58 AM  

Why are people protesting in the streets before they even know what really happened?

Because NWA was right.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 6:58 AM  

@16 "Situations where a SWAT team needs to be called in usually involve well armed and barricaded suspects, or multiple suspects, not unarmed (or lightly armed) individuals."

This should be the case, but overwhelmingly, SWAT teams are used to serve warrants on low level pot dealers.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 6:59 AM  

The best way to do this, in my opinion, is to allow heavily black areas to have black only police forces, etc.

It's been tried and rejected as raciss. Black cops don't want to be stuck in the worst, most dangerous neighborhoods. Black neighborhoods don't want to be patrolled by the least-qualified, most affirmative-action-promoted cops.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 08, 2016 7:00 AM  

Expect these sorts of attacks to continue until Trump finally tones down his divisive rhetoric. /s

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 7:04 AM  

It's almost as if it were orchestrated, isn't it?

Only if the orchestra is being conducted by a epileptic chimp high on shrooms. When people start killing each other, nobody is really in control any more, no matter how smart they are or how clever they think their plan is. Most people will respond predictably to potential violence, but some people will be very, very unpredictable, and those are the people you have to worry about because they are the non-rabbits.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 7:05 AM  

@15 Exactly.

Even though we didn't see the first of the Baton Rouge incident, I have seen enough to know what happened.

Black Thug stands around cupping his genitals.
Blue Thugs walk up.
Blue Thug 1 "ON THE GROUND!!!!!"
Blue Thug 2 "FREEZE!!!!"
Blue Thug 1 "DON'T MOVE"
Blue Thug 2 "ON YOUR KNEES!!!!"
Black Thug "Man, why you hassling me?"
Start of cell phone video.
Blue Thug 2 Tackles Black Thug
Black Thug Responds to the attack the way any normal person would and defends himself.
Blue Thugs flop around like untrained baboons.
Blue Thug 1 shoots Black Thug.

Blogger Human Animal July 08, 2016 7:06 AM  

Why are people protesting in the streets before they even know what really happened?

Or in most cases: long after they know perfectly well what happened but refuse to admit it and stick to propaganda.

That's the beauty of BLM: it's just a lobby. It has as much interest in the truth as a good as an effective lawyer. It's doing the dirty work for other institutions, but it knows itself.

Hard left news and organizations are ruthless about promoting their folk-version of history.

And that's part of the Alt-Right: Having our own narrative and giving zero shits about balance.

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 08, 2016 7:08 AM  

Hapax Legomenon wrote:The whole attack is very peculiar but I'm not calling "manufactured" yet. Wasn't the protest march only put together in the past day in response to the Alton Sterling and Philando Castile shootings? That's VERY short notice for three (four? more?) well armed and apparently trained snipers to coordinate a group attack (and hitting ONLY cops in a large crowd of people implies some training; they weren't just shooting blindly in every direction ... heck, their aim was better than most cops.)

These guys were way too good. There's one video showing one cop engaging with one shooter, each ducking and weaving around two large white building columns. The attacker is composed and agile. He defends and attacks better than the cop, and finally catches the cop from behind while the cop thinks he's somewhere else, shooting in the wrong direction. This is not amateur-hour stuff here. I eagerly await the release of more information about these guys.

Scarier part: With three or four coordinated shooters, there could well be more out there, biding their time.



The foot work was professional. The US military has know for some time that gangs were enlisting members in order to get training serve their term and then use their knowledge to train the rest of the gang.

The last part where he "bunkers" the cop is not professional at all. It is a very high risk maneuver that you will see often on a paintball field where getting shot doesn't result in serious injury. It generally has a clean (aggressor doesn't get shot) success rate of ~60%. Success goes up to ~85% of the time if success is defined as the defender getting shot in addition to the aggressor (like sacrificing a knight to take out a queen in chess). In real life, as opposed to a game, it's pretty stupid to take those risks.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 7:11 AM  

If this were just BLM or other blacks lashing out against perceived injustices, they wouldn't have to shoot cops. Cops are a dangerous target, after all, being armed and authorized to call in heavy artillery in response. Why not shoot some of the politicians or judges who refuse to prosecute cops who shoot blacks? Why not go out into the suburbs and shoot the mostly unarmed perpetrators of white-flight who left them stuck with crappy schools and neighborhoods? Why specifically go after cops?

Because the cops are a real problem, separate from any real or imagined issues of racism or inequality. They're a danger to anyone who has to deal with them.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 7:11 AM  

Chip Whitley wrote:11 police officers shot, 5 dead seems incredibly suspicious to me.

In 1973, a black Navy dental assistant and deserter using an internal magazine 5 shot Ruger 44 rifle killed 9, including 5 cops and wounded 13 in a two day killing spree.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 7:11 AM  

It's been tried and rejected as raciss. Black cops don't want to be stuck in the worst, most dangerous neighborhoods. Black neighborhoods don't want to be patrolled by the least-qualified, most affirmative-action-promoted cops.

You just described the most fucked-up version of colonialism the world has ever seen. It's worthy of an Owen Stanley novel.

Anonymous George Soros July 08, 2016 7:13 AM  

@49

O vey, the goyim are onto me.

Anonymous omar's running shoes July 08, 2016 7:17 AM  

I noticed in several videos that responding police officers were about 50/50 obese to normal human shape.

That's not going to give them a big edge if things escalate.

Blogger weka July 08, 2016 7:17 AM  

@67 You just described the most fucked-up version of colonialism the world has ever seen. It's worthy of an Owen Stanley novel.

So true. Moroks going to Morok. SJW going to SJW. And both need to be disarmed.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 7:23 AM  

These guys were way too good.

I think the fact that most mass shooters in the past have been insane and possibly drugged/programmed has skewed our expectations for what "good" shooting tactics would look like.

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 08, 2016 7:29 AM  

The interesting thing about this happening in Dallas is that their PD has seen massive waves of officers quitting in the past couple months. I think I saw something like 60 officers quit last month alone. I wonder if they saw this coming.

Blogger FALPhil July 08, 2016 7:29 AM  

@10 Caladan
I have a feeling you read this wrong, Vox. The anger may very well be turned towards BLM and Middle America may very well side with the cops on this.

Nah, VD has it right. When the white, high school honor student down the street get beaten to a pulp and jailed merely for mouthing off to cops, Middle America starts think about what could happen to them, especially when Middle America has a good 15 points of IQ over the cops.

Besides, VD has been talking about this problem since the WND days, long before BLM.


@16 Hapex Leomenon
Situations where a SWAT team needs to be called in usually involve well armed and barricaded suspects, or multiple suspects, not unarmed (or lightly armed) individuals.

Is your nickname "Rip Van Winkle"? The EPA has SWAT teams. The IRS has SWAT teams. Local PDs call SWAT teams out for misdemeanors these days.

@20 David F.
If the police are hyper-violent then I want data.

That's about the stupidest thing I have read on this blog since todd was banned.

@33 Al From Bay Shore
I'm okay with discussions on problems within law enforcement but not in this context.

That's because you are confusing symptom with root cause.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 08, 2016 7:35 AM  

Has anyone seen info re the race of the cops or the shooters? Dallas has a lot of whites for a US city but I am still interested to see to what extent this is just another primarily foreigners/minorities vs. foreigners/minorities situation like Orlando and San Bernadino. Native flight has made us hard to get at.

Blogger Salt July 08, 2016 7:38 AM  

VD wrote:Only those who have never encountered the police in another nation will fail to recognize that the US police are a hyper-violent, overly militarized problem.

Here in the US, cops at 3am, finding a drunk sleeping, would probably beat the crap outta him or worse. A Statie here broke the car window just to get at the man sleeping it off, beat the hell out of him, because, as I understand it, the keys were in the ignition and that's illegal... equivalent to drunk driving.

Juxtapose that with 3am in Nuremberg, waiting for the train, drunk passed out in the station and two armed cops/soldiers, with full auto weapons, come along and respectfully haul him off to the drunk tank without violence.

Welcome to Police State Amerika.

Blogger Sherwood family July 08, 2016 7:39 AM  

All the more reason to stick like with like in my opinion. Let whites clean up after whites and blacks clean up after blacks when it comes to crime. No more racist cops shooting "gentle giants".

Let the Moroks police the Moroks. Not because they will do it well but because the people who create the problems should be the ones to deal with them. Is it worth one decent cop getting killed because the 'hood things he's a cracker and has it coming? Is it worth one black dude getting shot up in a routine traffic stop because the cop thinks he's a hood rat and doesn't know what to do with him?

Even if the drug trade gets to be controlled by the local police department there is some level of predictability and even stability as a result.

I'm not saying it is a nice idea but I think it is better than amped up cops trying to police angry bitter people who think the system is stacked against them. we've seen how that turns out. It isn't pretty.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 7:41 AM  

1. Saying "they had it coming" to 11 police officers being murdered it akin to saying white people being harmed have it coming for lynchings and slavery.

Not at all, because police are committing unjustifiable homicides now. White people are not lynching or enslaving people now.

2. I agree there are a lot of police abuses in this country. You touched on this in your latest tweet but the problem is SJWs and BLM make it purely a RACIAL issue. If there was a sane MLK type person who lead marches to reform the police without demonizing the police and making it into a "white vs black" thing I would absolutley support them but there isn't one in sight.

What does this have to do with anything? It's not a binary issue. BLM is bad. Hyperviolent and unaccountable police are bad.

3. 11 police officers shot, 5 dead seems incredibly suspicious to me. Cernovich and Roosh had some points on this. Either its some black panther type group or islamic terrorist related. My point is that you're approaching this in a vacuum (police deserve this backlash because they do bad things). I feel there is a bigger picture which is this is all being orchestrated as a divide and conquer by the powers that be for a larger aim.

Almost certainly, yes. It could be a false flag taking advantage of BLM.

4. Unfortunately nuance is dead in a climate as we are in the US. This is a Cold War zero sum game. SJWs/liberals/identitarians hate cops. Therefore cops are not my enemies. I love middle ground but if I have to choose I'd still take the police over BLM and the crazy left. Sure I'd feel differently if I was black and lived in a very blighted city but with that said its not the POLICE that want to destroy freedom of speech in this country. Is it the police Vox that would censor you, call you a Nazi and imprison you if you could? Is it the police who want to impose this weird cult of "diversity" and 500 different genders and letting 5 year olds decide to be trans despite their parents wishes and target Christians? NOOO its the cop hating left. You literally wrote a book on SJWs so you know as much as everyone how evil those people are.

The police will obey the SJWs. Why do you think they call it a police state? They are not on your side. They serve only themselves.

I have no particular fondness for the police but I look at those lunatics celebrating on Twitter tonight over the deaths of 5 human beings I'd rather side with the police.

I don't side with either. But you cannot fix the problem of police unaccountability by virtue-signaling about how you don't approve of BLM.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 08, 2016 7:43 AM  

So is this really "the American people" behind this, or is it just a herd of niggers in the BLM movement?

Anonymous Philipp July 08, 2016 7:43 AM  

Vox: "Only those who have never encountered the police in another nation will fail to recognize that the US police are a hyper-violent, overly militarized problem. Americans have no idea how bad they have it in this regard. Police in other countries aren't trained to be suspicious and afraid."

You are correct that most people in the U.S. do not realise that.

What experiences have you made with the police in Japan and Italy?

Anonymous Crusader Corim July 08, 2016 7:45 AM  

One thing to be aware of, VD, is that for a lot of whites in "marginal" neighborhoods (ones bordering blacks), they know cops are a trigger-happy, violent, unaccountable gang.

They don't care because they consider them "their" trigger-happy, violent, unaccountable gang. Same way that in Crip territory the non-gang members will excuse Crips because "they protect us from Bloods". They're willing to accept the cost of a few dead white kids because they keep the blacks from going through their neighborhood.

Perhaps there will be a backlash from whites, but I sincerely doubt it.

Blogger Noah B July 08, 2016 7:48 AM  

There is no doubt that there are massive problems with policing in America, but the sad fact is that America has turned into such a chaotic shit soup that it's difficult to say at this point what the primary cause behind these shootings is. This may have been an intentional targeting of Dallas, or Dallas may simply have been a target of opportunity. I speculated a couple of weeks ago that hajjis would want to hit Dallas again because the last attempt in Garland failed so decisively, but we'll see.

Blogger Old Ez July 08, 2016 7:48 AM  

I think an interesting question to ask is who sold the black community the gangster and the pimp as a role model? (((Who))) indeed.

Anonymous DCH July 08, 2016 7:50 AM  

BLM doesn't care whether a shooting is justified or not. They treat all shootings of blacks as unjustified and ignore shootings of non-blacks. Even if every single shooting by police was justified, BLM's response would be the same. Whatever the problem is with cops, BLM is not addressing it.

Blogger malcivus July 08, 2016 7:51 AM  

How to be smart:

*Did a thing happen?
*Did the U.S. media report on the thing?
*Don't believe anything the U.S. media says about the thing for the first six months after the thing happens.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 7:53 AM  

If the police are hyper-violent then I want data.

You can gather it yourself. Engage in some public drunkenness, or get in a loud shouting match with your wife until a neighbor calls the cops, or get a traffic ticket and fail to appear. There's an increasingly good chance they'll show up and give you some data, good and hard.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 7:56 AM  

omar's running shoes wrote:I noticed in several videos that responding police officers were about 50/50 obese to normal human shape.

That's not going to give them a big edge if things escalate.


The extra weight is handy for wrestling and body armor is thick.

Blogger Billy July 08, 2016 7:57 AM  

If the police are at fault, why are all the cases highlighted by the media and the BLM crowd, why do all those shootings turn out to be bullshit. Once the real story comes to light, we discover the perp either had a gun or assaulted the police. Shouldn't the media have numerous examples of trigger happy cops, they don't. Instead we have cases where when you dig deeper you realize the cops exercised restraint, like in the Micheal Brown case.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 08, 2016 7:57 AM  

"Only those who have never encountered the police in another nation will fail to recognize that the US police are a hyper-violent, overly militarized problem. Americans have no idea how bad they have it in this regard. Police in other countries aren't trained to be suspicious and afraid"

As an expat who spends as little time in the US as possible, I agree 100%. I think to a large extent this is cultural - a belligerent assholishness permeates US society. Or it could be the relatively low IQ of Americans. Authority figures keep the thug attitudes of the general population when they enter the police, TSA, etc. and see their positions as opportunities to signal that they are the apex ape rather than serve the public. Police worship, like military worship, is a recent cultural innovation in the US and not suited for the times. These people need to be reined in.

But my time abroad is primarily spent in Germany, Japan and Ukraine so perhaps they are just uniquely passively as a result of military defeat and colonialism.

Blogger Noah B July 08, 2016 7:58 AM  

DCH @83

Yes. While policing needs to be cleaned up, and practices like no-knock raids ended completely, I believe it's a mistake to assume that doing this would have a significant impact on the behavior and outlook of blacks. They would still hate cops.

Anonymous Philipp July 08, 2016 7:59 AM  

"Let’s look at our immediate neighbors to the north, Canada. The total number of citizens killed by law enforcement officers in the year 2014, was 14; that is 78 times less people than the US.

If we look at the United Kingdom, 1 person was killed by police in 2014 and 0 in 2013. English police reportedly fired guns a total of three times in all of 2013, with zero reported fatalities.

From 2010 through 2014, there were four fatal police shootings in England, which has a population of about 52 million. By contrast, Albuquerque, N.M., with a population 1 percent the size of England’s, had 26 fatal police shootings in that same time period.

China, whose population is 4 and 1/2 times the size of the United States, recorded 12 killings by law enforcement officers in 2014.
Let that sink in. Law enforcement in the US killed 92 times more people than a country with nearly 1.4 billion people.

From 2013-2014, German police killed absolutely no one.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-kill-citizens-70-times-rate-first-world-nations/

Blogger Noah B July 08, 2016 8:04 AM  

Billy @87

The media has a pattern of ignoring the stories of actual police wrongdoing, probably because reporting those would have EVERYONE upset at the cops. (How much media coverage did you see of Miriam Carey or Oscar Grant?) On the other hand, they've found that they can work blacks and SJWs into a frenzy, and turn them against the right wing, when they report deaths of blacks where police weren't in the wrong (Michael Brown, Freddie Gray).

So the media is purposefully stoking political division in the US.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 8:04 AM  

@76 Don't get me wrong, segregating cops to match neighborhoods would probably be a good idea. It's just impossible to do today, because black cops and citizens alike would see it as getting the short end of the stick.

We've seen the same thing in schools. Every once in a while, someone says, "Hey, these black kids aren't learning because they have too many white teachers who don't understand their culture! We need more black teachers in here to connect with these kids." So they bring in more black teachers, but the black teachers tend to be the least qualified on average, and the kids continue to do poorly. Then after a few years someone says, "Hey, this isn't fair that these black kids aren't getting the teachers who went to the best colleges and got the best grades! If they had better teachers, they'd succeed." So they bring in better teachers, who just happen to be mostly white.... And so it goes.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 08, 2016 8:05 AM  

@73
"That's because you are confusing symptom with root cause."

I'm okay with the conversation but having it without any mention of the race hucksterism of BLM, the Civil Rights Negroes, and the Left is a huge problem. We can have a conversation on the militarization of our police departments, reforms in police training, and any other related issues. However, race baiters and any other politicians who "pimp" this issue must be excluded because of their harmful dishonesty, and this must be explicitly stated.

I'm on board with any discussion on police reforms but respect my efforts at telling the Al Sharptons, the DeRay McKeesons, the Shaun Kings, and the Obamas of this world that they cannot participate in any way, shape, or form. The last thing these schmucks need is any further ability to exploit their phony legitimacy for self interested political and economic ends.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis July 08, 2016 8:06 AM  

Realize that the USA has a population of almost 320,000,000. Compare that to number of police killings. Then realize the vast majority of police killings happen in the gang warfare zones.
In 99.99% of American towns and suburbs the number of police killings of civilians each year equals zero.
Social media emphasizes and focuses on the outliers. But the math shows your risk of being killed by a cop, outside of the free fire zones of "those areas", is so close to zero as makes no difference.
Be aware that the MSM is shaping YOUR perceptions as well.

Blogger dienw July 08, 2016 8:07 AM  

And, behold, Obama waves the next card to be played: OBAMA: Americans Would Be Better Under Martial Law

Blogger Chip Whitley July 08, 2016 8:09 AM  

Abner Snopes ‏@humidpress
Get ready. Badge lickers will be out in force today reminding us how brave and noble traffic cops are.


Nice retweet Vox, you get that one from Scalzi?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 08, 2016 8:09 AM  

If the police are hyper-violent then I want data.

Get out of line during a traffic stop, and they'll give you some data straight up your poopshute.

Anonymous Anonymous July 08, 2016 8:17 AM  

I usually refrain from commenting on anything but when I read this I couldn't help but be overcome with an strangling sense of disappointment.

Vox, I feel as if in this one article you have played right into the hands of the same people you speak out against. I can tell you, coming from a background littered with experience with officers and the police in general, that you have grossly over generalized the situation.

"The police are trained to murder unarmed people and lie about what they are doing". In all my 19 years dealing with the police I have never once seen, heard or been apart of a training that even closely resembled that.

Even if there are police departments that do train some bizarre vigilante justice into their recruits, you obviously have less than what anyone would call a reliable test group. On top of that, you saying that all cops are trained like this and all cops are hyper violent is like me saying that since the crusades happened that all Christians must love throwing infants from rooftops and burning cities.

Make no mistake, left wing has its grips in hard at the brass level of police departments and that's where the problem lies. I'd say the true problem is with police being trained in poor tactics that are leftist in nature. There is a common trend in many PDs where cops are not given proper tactical training that gets them put into situations where they end up shooting someone that they could have avoided shooting. That is 19 years of experience directly with cops talking. Many cops, especially new ones, simply don't have the proper tactical knowledge to make sound tactical decisions. But that is a whole new topic in of itself.

Now this isn't to say that there are nother bad cops. There are cops who deserve to go to prison for things they have done. Just like there are writers who deserve to have their computer smashed for thinking sparkly vampires having sex was enough plot to sustain a book series. Doesn't mean I'm going to come over and smash your computer because "writers had it coming, publishing all that sparkly vampire shit".

Now on the topic of cops being trained to be suspicious. Yes. True. 100 percent...it's their job to be suspicious. You think all bad guys are Bond villains who stroke white kitty cats and give grand speeches about every evil thing they have done? If cops aren't suspicious of the public how do they catch anybody? A serial killer can just as easily look like Hannibal Lecter as he can the guy behind the Mc Donalds counter handing you a burger. Add on top of that the guns. I support gun rights but there is a price to pay. Suspicious cops who are trained to assume there are guns everywhere is one of them.

Because guess what...there ARE gun everywhere. Of course European and Chinese cops kill less people because

A) people in those countries would have an easier time having sex with a rabid bear than get a gun. Therefore less bad guys have guns. Therefore less deaths.

B) Many of those countries don't even allow cops to carry handguns because...well see answer A.

C) Do you seriously believe any statistic on civilian related death from China is going to be correct? The people who killed an entire square full of protesters and not only lied about it, but seized the video footage from foreign news reporters? Because if you do, I seriously have concerns for your mental health.

As you can tell I'm very passionate on this topic so let me wrap up. You've fallen into leftist hands. How? Well I'll leave you with this. Did you know that in Nazi Germany all local police departments were directly supervised by the SS/Gaetapo to ensure party loyalty and policing within the force?

Well when you are tricked into thinking the police are the bad guys...maybe a Federal Police Force doesn't look so bad. I hear the DHLS already has a civil police unit after all.

Blogger FALPhil July 08, 2016 8:17 AM  

@56 Chip Whitley

Chip, are you under the delusion that the purpose of police is to "protect and serve" the general populace? If so, I suggest you do a little more research.

The police functionaries in the USA have zero obligation to protect or serve anyone. In fact, it has been decided by the courts, all the way up to the SCOTUS, that the purpose of police is to investigate crimes after the fact and to apprehend individuals wanted by the civil authorities. That's it.

Now, consider that our best and brightest do not become police, and that police are used as the enforcement mechanism in a situation where government at all levels is increasingly usurping authority that the law does not grant. Consider that the equipment and training that police, at all levels of government, recieve is military and violent in nature. I am not the brightest bulb on this porch, and I see a recipe for disaster.

Want to put a free speech sign up in your store banning certain ethnic groups? In the USA, you can expect a visit from police. Want to go full non-diversity and hire only white people for your business? If you do that, you can expect a visit from police. It may be that the individual policemen are sympathetic, but they sure as hell are not going to jeopardize their pensions standing up for your rights. The unwritten purpose of police in the USA is to obey their masters, which ain't "we the people". Therefore, as the tools of those that would censor and imprison us, they are guilty by association.

I'm not the cop-hating left. But I am a midwit who can connect the dots and see the problems. There are plenty of reasons to be less than sympathetic to police in early 21st century USA.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 8:18 AM  

Only those who have never encountered the police in another nation

Part of the problem is that most middle- and upper-class Americans don't really encounter the police in their own nation, except in the most harmless circumstances, like getting a seatbelt ticket on the highway where the cop is acting as a tax collector. They have a few encounters like that, plus the couple of times a cop came to take statements at a traffic accident. Other than that, they see them in parades and in TV shows where they keep us safe from predators and terrorists.

Then there's the other class of Americans who have dealt with cops in circumstances where they weren't on their best behavior, and whose lives tend to be "disorderly" in ways that bring them into contact with cops. They have a very different view.

Since I choose not to live in a large city, I've had exactly zero negative encounters with blacks. I can't say that about cops.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 8:18 AM  

Note: I just received an email from a police officer about this post. I'll post it later this morning.

Blogger rumpole5 July 08, 2016 8:18 AM  

A few months ago my wife and I were awakened at 2:00 am by someone kicking at our side gate into our fenced back yard. On examination and verbal challenge with a flashlight, it turned out to be two uniformed police officers trying to enter the back yard to block a suspect located in the back yard of the house behind ours. It apparently did not occur to these two public servants to knock on our door and get the keys to the gate, or to ask our permission to enter our cartilage. Nor, after we handed out the keys so that they could unlock the gate did it occur to these characters to return the keys. They just tossed them on a window sill where we found them the next morning. Not that it should matter, but our neighborhood is a White/Asian, low crime, gentrified one, where an officer of any sense would expect to hear complaints and letters about such police behaviour. My letter garnered a written apology from the city, but I did not sense that it changed anything.

Vox is correct (as usual) . I used to be shocked as a prosecutor reading police reports about their conduct in minority low income neighborhoods. That callous attitude on the part of our "boys in blue" has slowly spread to citizens in general. Now do not think that I am anti law enforcement. Far from it. I worked closely with police for many decades, and I know the almost impossible challenges they face. However, we are clearly in some sort of a vicious circle spiralling down toward chaos.

Anonymous Laz July 08, 2016 8:24 AM  

@98. FALPhil

"The unwritten purpose of police in the USA is to obey their masters, which ain't "we the people"."

The written purpose is to keep order, not to protect and serve. Thus all the handgun laws since the supreme court ruled that way 20 years ago.

Blogger FALPhil July 08, 2016 8:26 AM  

@102 Laz

Yeah, but the intangibles will win out every time, which means laws will be and are selectively enforced by cops. Witness Hillary Clinton.

Blogger rumpole5 July 08, 2016 8:27 AM  

Good analysis of the problem.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar July 08, 2016 8:29 AM  

Absolutely true. There is a rational anxiety in hostile environments, but LEOs need to realize that not all brothers are gangbangers and that the 2nd amendment extends to all law-abiding citizens. If I were black and living in a rough neighborhood I would pack as well. The irony is that his incident will be used as justification to further curtail the right of all citizens to defend themselves- making the streets more insecure for people who live in these areas and empowering the criminal element.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 08, 2016 8:36 AM  

"The police will obey the SJWs. Why do you think they call it a police state? They are not on your side. They serve only themselves."

Exactly. If the SJWs and communists who manipulate them continue to gain power, the dark side of the police will be painfully known to the blissfully ignorant middle classes. That said, Trump should pin this particular attack directly where it belongs: on BLM and their controllers Obama and Clinton.

Yes, BLM/Soros-sponsored SJW'ing and the actual, pervasive police brutality are separate issues. Still, this can be exploited to push back against both the left-wing and militarized cops.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 08, 2016 8:42 AM  

Look on the bright side, the police being violent lackeys of the state will become a huge positive if they maintain this submissiveness when the time comes for mass deportations.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 8:47 AM  

A 3rd World people with 3rd World talent and 3rd World ways can only create 3rd World conditions, including 3rd World police. The Baltimore police, excoriated for "police brutality", backed off and as a result murder and crime have skyrocketed. So we can see that "police brutality" is required to maintain a semblance of order in the black and NAM controlled cities. This is understood by the Ruling Elites and this why they pushed the Civil Rights psyop and Forced Integration. Its all part of the population control strategy that Sam Francis described as Anarcho-tyranny. They can use the very real threat of NAM pandemonium that they cultivated to push "police brutality" through out the rest of society.

But I have to say that in both the Minnesota and Baton Rouge incidents the blacks were illegally armed (Castile did NOT have CCW) and both reached for their guns after the police told them not to. Stupid, stupid, Stupid. Were the police officers suppose to wait until after they were shot before they fired back? Both those black deserve Darwin Awards.

Blogger Noah B July 08, 2016 8:49 AM  

The Baltimore police, excoriated for "police brutality", backed off and as a result murder and crime have skyrocketed.

And blacks are mostly fine with that. Now what?

Blogger Noah B July 08, 2016 8:50 AM  

Sure, they complain about the crime and try to move somewhere nicer, but are they willing to make the sacrifices necessary to live in a civilized society? Mostly, no.

Blogger residentMoron July 08, 2016 8:51 AM  

"Yes, this is predictable. But it is a consequence of a loss of national cohesion, which can be sheeted home to the elite mistrusting and micromanaging the productive."

This.

The Emperor Qin had one famous piece of advice to any who inherited his power. He said:

"First, kill all the intellectuals."

It is from the intellectual class that thought leadership arises. Any dynasty must have them onside. The federal imperium of USA largely has bought them off, and only those few whose principles are stronger than their greed now dissent.

It is from the productive that the prosperity of modern civilisation arises. Because you cannot long bullshit reality, the productive are less prone than the intellectual class to being bought off and/or cowed by fear.

So a war against the middle class is an attempt to return to a feudal condition, but it is one destined to fail if the instigators of the war hope to maintain a modern civilisation, with all it's accoutrements, at the same time.

It simply isn't possible.

A few people have mentioned the TSA; they're going to be the next logical targets of public ire when this train gets rolling. Their faceless tyrocrat responses to their legendary and numerous egregious breaches of civil rights, have doomed them all.

Once the blood-letting begins, wearing that uniform to work will make you a target rather than engender either fear or respect.

William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davison noted this in their classic magnum opus "The Great Reckoning" via a simple contrast. They recounted how, in the first decade of the 20th century American traders protected their camel trains in outer Mongolia by the simple expedient of flying the union jack. Even there, as far from civilisation as one could get, the locals had learnt that to prey on British traders bought immediate, lethal, and overwhelming response.

In the last decade of the 20th Century however, in many parts of the world, to fly the US flag (to whom the mantle of global arbiter has since passed) is more likely to invite attack than to dissuade it.

That tide is now turning with regard to US law enforcement, but don't for a moment think that it will end with only the police. All symbols of what they represent will be attacked, the most despised first.

Or, as Gerald Celente puts it:

"When people lose everything, they lose it!"

Anonymous Nick Jackson July 08, 2016 8:51 AM  

Looks more anti-white than anything. One of the killers said he wanted to kill white people in general, but white cops especially.

Anonymous lightbetrayer July 08, 2016 8:52 AM  

This will spread. And VD is right. Police in America are insanely violent. SWAT is 99% part time unless your in a big city. They are undertrained wannabes with no fire discipline. And they are over used. Serving nonviolent warrants. The secret is that is training for them. And if someone gets murdered in their own home for a $180 fine, no consequences. Lots of people anti BLM. Also not on the cops side.

Anonymous Chico and the Man July 08, 2016 8:55 AM  

Black cops in black areas will be called Uncle Toms working for the white man who will still take the blame

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 8:55 AM  

But I have to say that in both the Minnesota and Baton Rouge incidents the blacks were illegally armed

Second Amendment uber alles, you gun grabbing fascist.

Blogger Rantor July 08, 2016 8:55 AM  

I have lived in Germany where police were professional but not to be trifled with. In the UK where again they were pros, in Norway, I found them to be most professional. The Norwegian cops go up the ladder by obtaining law degrees. Not criminal justice or policing stuff but full up Doctarates in Law. They were expected to know and enforce the law. What a concept.

Anonymous Tom July 08, 2016 8:57 AM  

@53

I had never seen the statistics of police victims broken down by race. That's an eye opener.

My one police buddy gets real uncomfortable when I ask him about dealing with bad other cops. Says the only thing he can do is make sure he doesn't get assigned to work with them.

He's a really good guy, but even he has fired his weapon at somebody, though he does work in Chicago, where ambushes like this have been going on for decades in the projects, just only one or two cops at a time.

By the way, people really do wrestle cops guns away and shoot them. It isn't a zero chance event. But, it is played up way out of proportion to the actual chance it will happen. It's used as a justification when it really doesn't apply.

Blogger John rockwell July 08, 2016 8:58 AM  

If demographics continue one need only to look at the cartels in Mexico that gives politicians an offer: become corrupt or die and many politicans are assassinated because they didnt play ball.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 9:01 AM  

"Were the police officers suppose to wait until after they were shot before they fired back?"

Yes, they took the job knowing it would have risk. If they don't want that risk, they can find other employment. Or we can cut bloated pay, end platinum benefits and make sure they work until age 72 before they ever see a dime of pension.

Better 1000 cops die than one citizen be harmed.

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 9:01 AM  

1000 people are killed by cops each year

50 cops are killed each year

There is no war on police

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 9:01 AM  

Better 1000 cops die than one citizen be harmed.

Preach

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 9:03 AM  

Castile did NOT have CCW

Can you provide evidence for this claim? If not, retract it.

Anonymous Sam J. July 08, 2016 9:03 AM  

I agree with Vox. The police are out of control. I've read that most Law enforcement training has been taken over by Israeli companies and former Israeli cops. They're training the cops to treat us like Palestinians.

Blogger residentMoron July 08, 2016 9:03 AM  

"The suspect told police that he was working alone, Police Chief David Brown told reporters.

...

Mr Brown said the suspect had been killed when police used explosives to end a stand-off in a building where he was holed up."

Because that demonstrates their professional restraint and dedication to due process of law ...

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2016 9:05 AM  


Police in the US kill citizens at over 70x the rate of police in other Western countries. They kill citizens at a rate 92x higher than police in China, a communist dictatorship.

US police are INSANELY violent.


How many separate privileged minorities do the Chinese police?

Going to go with Heartiste on this one. Diversity + proximity = war.

When the cops stop being the front line it will mean it is precisely at our door.

The rule of law may be gone, but we still have a bit of color left.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 9:05 AM  

Josh wrote:But I have to say that in both the Minnesota and Baton Rouge incidents the blacks were illegally armed

Second Amendment uber alles, you gun grabbing fascist.


I was stating fact. I wasn't making a value judgement. My thoughts on the 2nd Amendment are thus: many people, including most Africans in America, can't handle the rights and responsibilities of living in a free society, including keeping and bearing arms. They should be deported.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 08, 2016 9:05 AM  

The powers must think there is a bottomless reservoir of respect for the system by whites in general.

As was written on Sailer's blog last night, belief in "white supremacy" is right up there with belief in voodoo. Blacks feel of course not think that acting up is the key to their cargo cult and whites still think they can live in the first world with blacks acting black, just worship the state a bit more.

Nope 4GW all the way down.

Anonymous Moonbear July 08, 2016 9:07 AM  

Diversity causes this faulty in-group mentality that the police in the US adopts.
Since they have a ethnic group they will find other groups to identify with.
It's not a police problem but a problem of social trust and cohesion, which will be getting worse with increased diversity.
The only solution is political and possibly physical borders.

http://esr.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/08/20/esr.jcv081.abstract
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095660
http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4939-1705-1_12
http://spq.sagepub.com/content/78/4/324.short
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1465-7287.2010.00215.x/abstract

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 9:07 AM  

My thoughts on the 2nd Amendment are thus: many people, including most Africans in America, can't handle the rights and responsibilities of living in a free society, including keeping and bearing arms. They should be deported.

Many people, including you, who want to disarm the population, should be deported. You can't handle the rights and responsibilities of a free society.

Anonymous Moonbear July 08, 2016 9:10 AM  

"Since they have a ethnic group they will find other groups to identify with."
Sorry, it should of course be "since they don't have a ethnic group".

Anonymous B.J. July 08, 2016 9:10 AM  

I used to live right by there only a few months ago. Falcon Heights police are a joke. They have like four cops in the whole town and all they do is sit on Larpenteur and give speeding tickets to U of M kids.

So this dumbass pulls over a 'Scary Black Man' with a gun, shit his pants and shoots the guy. The sad thing is this guy was only carrying to protect himself from the thugs in North Minneapolis. What a travesty.

Fact is, police are legally allowed to shoot you for pretty much any reason. People need to behave accordingly.

Blogger MC227 July 08, 2016 9:13 AM  

Blacks commit an overwhelming number of violent crimes disproportionate to their population. If I was a cop I would be very careful and certainly with the first black gay muslim communist stirring it up every chance he gets. When a black gets shot by a cop we always hear from him why not when a white gets shot by a cop? He has been proven wrong every time yet he still puts his 2 cents in local police matters where it does not belong. There were 93 unarmed people shot by police in the US last year and 38 were black which of course totally disputes Odumbo's lies. Then of course you have the leftists being funded by Soros and in particular black lies matter. Baltimore's homicide rate has sky rocketed 63% in the past year and the cops so far have been acquitted because there is no evidence to convict. These problems with police have gone thru the roof since the jug eared black rat took office. Innocent cops are being executed by wild animals and this just the beginning. Wait until the black rat is finished bringing in the muslims and allowing illegals to just walk right in. Whitey is being overrun and it is no coincidence that these incidents will increase exponentially.

Anonymous Chico and the Man July 08, 2016 9:15 AM  

In Korea, the first round in the cop's gun is a blank. A warning shot. I've only read of one cop shooting a civilian--a us serviceman who comandeered a car to run down said officer. Make no mistake, cops in Korea are k-selected who have all been trained in the military (2 years mandatory service for men); yet they have not been militarized.

Back in America on vacation this summer, I agree with Vox. Americans just don't understand how bad they have it.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 9:15 AM  

MC227 wrote:he cops so far have been acquitted because there is no evidence to convict

The cops have been acquitted because they took bench trials instead of jury trials. They knew a judge would protect them, while a citizens jury would put them under the jail.

Blogger Jeffersonranch July 08, 2016 9:16 AM  

This is a result of left wing tolerance. If we are to survive they need to be banished. This is a long time coming early twentieth century.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 9:17 AM  

Josh wrote:Castile did NOT have CCW

Can you provide evidence for this claim? If not, retract it.


The Sheriff stated that the driver did not have a CCW. Instead of me trying to prove a negative why don't you provide evidence that he did have one. Hearsay is not evidence.

Blogger John rockwell July 08, 2016 9:18 AM  

About gangs. The thing about gangs is that they are all declarations of sovereignty they are proto-state by their very existence.. By their arms they make the rules in their own territory and thereby impinges on state sovereignty. Therefore its wise either to cede territory to them or wipe them out. Anything in between maximizes suffering and death.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 9:21 AM  

12 hours since this started and other than a grainy video of a black guy in a Kevlar vest being arrested we haven't seen any ID of the suspects.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 9:23 AM  

Josh wrote:My thoughts on the 2nd Amendment are thus: many people, including most Africans in America, can't handle the rights and responsibilities of living in a free society, including keeping and bearing arms. They should be deported.

Many people, including you, who want to disarm the population, should be deported. You can't handle the rights and responsibilities of a free society.


Were do get they idea that I want people disarmed? A free people have the right to own any weapon including machine gun, grenades, missiles and tanks.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2016 9:23 AM  

In 4G war whose side are you on? Rapidly this thing is going to descend into sect and skin determining your team. Morality and fighting fair is going to be for losers. We are going to become inured to ethnic violence, it is going to be a given. Wringing our hands over our dead democracies seems so 5 years ago.

Blogger Samuel Nock July 08, 2016 9:24 AM  

"At the core of 4GW Is a crisis of legitimacy of the state." -- Lind

http://www.dnipogo.org/lind/lind_1_10_06.htm

Anonymous The Cap'n July 08, 2016 9:27 AM  

Top down, bottom up. "The Man" might not have had a direct hand in pulling the triggers in these incidents, but none of this is accidental. They set up the dominoes and wait for us to knock them over.

Stay away from crowds and cops for the next ten years at least. There won't be any "good guys." Not only will the revolution be televised, it will be scripted.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 9:29 AM  

Were the police officers suppose to wait until after they were shot before they fired back?

Shot at, yes, basically. I'm old enough to remember when we were told that a cop wasn't allowed to draw his weapon until he saw a gun, and even then it was touchy if the gun wasn't being held in a threatening manner. There were lots of movies and TV episodes where a cop would shoot someone and then be in trouble with Internal Affairs and in danger of losing his job because the victim's gun wasn't real, or wasn't loaded, or was still in his pocket, or was actually just a knife, or he was turned the other way.... Of course, those were almost always presented sympathetically to the cop, and that gradually sunk in.

I don't know if Internal Affairs even exists anymore; if it does, it looks like its main job is keeping everything Internal. Maybe it never did exist; maybe all that was Hollywood nonsense. But it's what Americans believed, that cops follow stricter rules than everyone else, required to risk their own lives rather than chance killing an innocent person. That's why they've gotten generous pensions after short careers -- to reward them for that risk. If they get body armor, SWAT, and the right to shoot as soon as they feel threatened, why should they get special treatment or respect on top of that?

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts July 08, 2016 9:33 AM  

The police grow ever-more militarized due to the growing non-white population in the US. Now, (((who))) are the ones that pushed the 1965 immigration law, pushed for more non-white people to come to the US. Just look at the globalists neocons responsible for the latest muslim migration crisis.

American's are being played and divided, so we can be disarmed and administered by the (((right))) people.

Anonymous cremes July 08, 2016 9:34 AM  

So, how will the police react to this latest event.

1. Control the field of battle
All of these marches to and fro by BLM are going to get locked down. Expect to hear that "free speech zones" have been established in all major cities. Those are the only locations where you may march, protest, wave a flag, etc. It will be an open area with high ground surrounding it so the police can ring the area with counter-snipers.

2. Gun control
We'll probably learn that the shooters used a varmint rifle or something that looks suitably scary. The usual idiots will come out of the woodwork to try and regulate them. The Feds will push for bans on magazines that hold in excess of 10 cartridges for rifles and 6 for pistols. This will be enforced nationwide.

3. Kid gloves are off
Yesterday here in Chicago there was a "spontaneous" BLM march on the south side to the Dan Ryan expressway where they blocked some traffic. The news said there were 400 marchers and no one was arrested. These pop-up marches are going to get crushed by the police in the coming months. No permit? No march. Marching where we don't expect it? Mass arrests. They just need to do it once or twice for all these groups to get the message.

In sum, our civil liberties are about to get curtailed once again.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 9:35 AM  

John rockwell wrote:About gangs. The thing about gangs is that they are all declarations of sovereignty they are proto-state by their very existence.. By their arms they make the rules in their own territory and thereby impinges on state sovereignty. Therefore its wise either to cede territory to them or wipe them out. Anything in between maximizes suffering and death.

This. But also realize that the "gangs" are merely the front line shock troops of a larger proto-nation with a culture and value system that is practically foreign. You know all those kids and bystanders that are shot during "gang" shootings. The kids and bystanders were hanging out with the "gang members" and literally inches away from them. The "gangs" aren't an outlaw group shunned by this society. They are the pillars of that community that are admired so much that they are emulated in dress and speech and celebrated in song. So were aren't dealing with "gangs" but a border-less nation within our own. A nation that near a state of open war.

Anonymous Michael July 08, 2016 9:38 AM  

Sorry VD, but you're wrong on this one. Blacks are the problem in the US. They're violent and low IQ. I really don't think you have any idea what these people are like because you don't have to be around them. Cops have to deal with the scum of society everyday. In general, cops' behavior is a result of having to engage these people.

Here's some details on what kind of person Philando Castile was. Not exactly the law abiding concealed carrier the media has made him out to be. http://gotnews.com/breaking-philandocastile-falconheightsshooting-crips-gangmember/

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 9:44 AM  

@147 Doesn't matter what kind of record or associations Castile had, none of that is relevant to the immigrant cop shooting him.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 9:44 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:There were lots of movies and TV episodes

TV and movies produced by (((Hollywood))) are not real life. In the MN incident the driver told the cops he had a gun. (By the way, the cops had stopped that driver because they were looking for an armed robbery suspect with dreds in a bun and a beard. The driver had dreds in a bun and a beard.) The cop in the BR felt the gun in Altons pocket. It is insane to expect those cops to stand there and do nothing while they let those guys pull their guns.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 9:49 AM  

@149 " It is insane to expect those cops to stand there and do nothing while they let those guys pull their guns."

It is insane to let cops commit battery and murder and get away with it.
A gun in a pocket is not a threat, PERIOD.

Cops should be held to higher standards than productive citizens are. Any cops who says "I feared for my safety" should lose his job and his pension.

Cops do not have rights, they have delegated privileges. Privileges the citizens can strip them of.

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 9:51 AM  

The Sheriff stated that the driver did not have a CCW. Instead of me trying to prove a negative why don't you provide evidence that he did have one. Hearsay is not evidence.

"The sheriff stated" is hearsay.

Dumbass.

Anonymous Gunnutmegger July 08, 2016 10:05 AM  

@66

A Ruger .44 Deerslayer was also used in a notorious biker bar shootout. They were nice guns.

http://patch.com/connecticut/newtown/sandy-hook-shoot-out-marks-35th-anniversary

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 10:06 AM  

It is insane to expect those cops to stand there and do nothing while they let those guys pull their guns.

It's insane to say they can shoot someone just for carrying a gun because the cop is scared.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 10:08 AM  

@9 Jay Will

Why is nobody shooting these people? How come the little guy is getting it. Its them up top who are to blame for most of this. They have to come down.
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The key to everything are the elites who love to use these incidents, pay for some of them, false flags, etc. It's now to the point when anything happens, I don't believe it. Not until several days of info comes out.

Blogger Josh July 08, 2016 10:09 AM  

Sorry VD, but you're wrong on this one. Blacks are the problem in the US. They're violent and low IQ. I really don't think you have any idea what these people are like because you don't have to be around them. Cops have to deal with the scum of society everyday. In general, cops' behavior is a result of having to engage these people.

If blacks are the problem why are half the people killed by cops white?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 10:10 AM  

@4 VD

Irrelevant. They couldn't have successfully manufactured it if the environment hadn't been created by the hyperviolent, militarized U.S. police.
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I hope this isn't a dumb question, but what has caused the police to become militarized? Would they say war on drugs, or something of that sort?

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 10:12 AM  

Sorry VD, but you're wrong on this one. Blacks are the problem in the US. They're violent and low IQ. I really don't think you have any idea what these people are like because you don't have to be around them.

I'm a former NCAA D1 100-meter sprinter who ran in the Minneapolis city region in high school. I have showered with more black men than Nero.

Anonymous SaltHarvest July 08, 2016 10:15 AM  

Phillip George wrote:Just keep the other pitchers in sight:

Staged “snipers” nested in buildings in Kiev shot police during the Maidan Square protester, and helped to destabilize Ukrainian society and politics:

don't be used up and spat out


It's a good thing someone is bringing that resemblance up.

Anonymous EH July 08, 2016 10:15 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote @33:"Blacktivists" falsely depict police violence and any type of white on Black violence (ie. racism) as a threat to Black people. This is nonsense. Black on Black victimization is the greatest threat because it occurs in infinitely greater quantities.

Quite right, though Black on White crime is a bigger worry than Black on Black, because Blacks are worth less than Whites. Still, if Black lives matter, far more Blacks have been killed by the Ferguson Effect of police standing down to avoid being accused of racism than would have been killed by cops.

It's not racism against Blacks. Black cops are just as likely to kill Blacks as White cops. Cops hesitate longer before shooting Blacks than Whites. From DOJ victim surveys, Black criminals attack Whites over twenty times as often, per capita, as Whites attack Blacks.

Whites need to stop pretending that Blacks are part of the American nation. They're an inferior species, they've never done anything for America within an order of magnitude of their costs to life and property. Now they're invading the suburbs, financed by Section 8. The last round of government-mandated ethnic cleansing left my Atlanta suburban school district only 12% White. My parent's house was burgled by Blacks, with over $25,000 worth stolen. The small-town Black detective who tracked them down was fired on by the burglars and a shootout ensued. Later he was pilloried by the local Black community and the Atlanta TV news for arresting Blacks who had warrants -- after investigation by the GBI, the accusers were charged with perjury and false reports.)

My vehicle was stolen from in front of my house, wrecked in the hood and the contents stolen by Blacks. The Black Atlanta government charged me about $300 for the privilege on top of that. A very good friend and his housemate were shot to death by a pack of Black robbers just a block from their house in the 80% White L5P tourist district. I was robbed by a yellow-eyed street nigger a couple of blocks away. Another friend was hit on the head with a brick by another Black bastard in a robbery not far from there, his inner ear never fully recovered.

To hell with the god-damned niggers. I'm sick of this shit.

Every attack by a Black on a White needs quick, violent retaliation or the attacks will continue.

Blogger justthinkin July 08, 2016 10:16 AM  

https://www.corbettreport.com/dallas-ambush-follows-pattern-of-provocateured-false-flags/

Blogger Avalanche July 08, 2016 10:17 AM  

@25 Vox: "Police in the US kill citizens at over 70x the rate of police in other Western countries. They kill citizens at a rate 92x higher than police in China, a communist dictatorship.
US police are INSANELY violent."

Surely you have read the new "Color of Crime" report that unsurprisingly follows the patterns of the 2005 "Color of Crime."

Anytime you compare U.S. stats to European countries' stats, you are (or were, anyway) comparing a racial problem to a White (non-)problem. If you lift the burden of black and hispanic gun violence OFF the White gun violence -- the U.S. has the same gun violence rate as Holland!

(I also object to the "unarmed black" as some kind of "let's feel sorry for attackers" excuse. The 'Gentle Giant' was unarmed when he tried to use Wilson's own gun to kill him (in the car, read the transcript). This is also the 'accusation' used by anti-gun-rights folks about self-defense... "Ohhhh, he was unarmed." Unless you consider size, strength, and history/practice with violence -- which most of the White and Asian (and older black folks) VICTIMS do not have!)

I haven't time (or interest) to look up if this
"70x the rate" of other cops applies equally to White death; but the numbers are always horribly compromised by the intentional non-consideration of who are the violent criminals, who are always resisting arrest and harassing cops.

Certainly, SOME blacks are wrongly shot; but not nearly as many as the media and our overlords would have us believe! And oh MAN! Am I ever for pulling White cop OUT of black neighborhoods! Let them have what they want -- who CARES if the black cops end up running the drug gangs...

Anonymous andon July 08, 2016 10:19 AM  

95. dienw July 08, 2016 8:07 AM

And, behold, Obama waves the next card to be played: OBAMA: Americans Would Be Better Under Martial Law


see that? he'd be doing you a favor

Blogger Unknown July 08, 2016 10:21 AM  

I am curious what source is being used for these numbers. An internet search reveals varying results. Thanks in advance!

Blogger The Other Robot July 08, 2016 10:22 AM  

If blacks are the problem why are half the people killed by cops white?

Percentages are hard, Barbie.

Besides, equal opportunity!

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 08, 2016 10:27 AM  

Joe Blowe wrote:Cail Corishev wrote:There were lots of movies and TV episodes

TV and movies produced by (((Hollywood))) are not real life. In the MN incident the driver told the cops he had a gun. (By the way, the cops had stopped that driver because they were looking for an armed robbery suspect with dreds in a bun and a beard. The driver had dreds in a bun and a beard.) The cop in the BR felt the gun in Altons pocket. It is insane to expect those cops to stand there and do nothing while they let those guys pull their guns.


Fool. I don't know MN law but most states require licensed CCW permit holders to inform officers if they are carrying a gun. Speaking for myself, I sure hope an officer doesn't get a license to shoot me for following that law.

Blogger The Other Robot July 08, 2016 10:28 AM  

I see the police used the standard approach with one of the shooters: If you can't burn them out, bomb them out.

Anonymous artaud July 08, 2016 10:29 AM  

"[US Police] kill citizens at a rate 92x higher than police in China, a communist dictatorship."

China don't have too many dindus.


Anonymous SumDood July 08, 2016 10:29 AM  

Re: Philando Castile...

Castile In addition to being a Crip gang member) is a dead ringer for the suspect in an armed robbery of a convenience store that took place 4 days prior, just 4 blocks away. Castile was pulled over 1 day after the CCTV footage of the robbery was released to identify the suspects.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/the-curious-case-of-philando-castile-falcon-heights-mn-police-shooting/

Anonymous artaud July 08, 2016 10:36 AM  

Also, all the stats are weirded by the number of dindus looking to win the "ghetto lottery": hoping to provoke police misconduct so's to get a nice Sharpton-style court settlement. You wooden believe how common.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 10:36 AM  

@20 David F.

Police stood down during much of the riots, and were almost entirely passive when Trump supporters were beaten in San Diego.
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There as a yuuuge amount of sentiment regarding the police in light of the San Jose rally.

I saw a lot of comments at BB "After they stood around and let those ladies at the Trump rally get assaulted by Mexicans, we are suppose to care about the cops now?"

My thought is, Dallas isn't San Jose. But in the general mind, cops is cops.

Blogger Jack Hanson July 08, 2016 10:40 AM  

"The police are trained to murder unarmed people and lie about what they are doing"

When the worlds of mendaciousness and autism collide.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 10:46 AM  

@39 David F.
I have serious doubts that *BLM* conducted this attack. These shootings were carried out with considerable skill and coordination. All we've seen of BLM is a disorganized gaggle of Soros-funded hucksters, provocateurs, and their useful idiots. These shooters were serious. They may have been sympathetic to BLM...or they may have other motives.
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Dont you think Soros could afford to get a few ex-military brothers and pay for their further training for something like this?

Blogger Noah B July 08, 2016 10:46 AM  

cremes @145

It's much more likely that the result of this attack will be that the police pull back further, doing less enforcement, not more. That's what happened in the LA riots and it's what's still happening in Baltimore today in reaction to the lack of support for officers in the Freddie Gray death. Which means more chimpouts and greater likelihood of you needing to defend yourself.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 10:52 AM  

@49 Josh
The whole point of BLM is to increase white support for the police state. It's turned a police vs the public issue into a black vs white issue.
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After watching a video of the Philandro shooting, around the 7:20 mark, the GF who was streaming described the officer as Chinese, several times.

That's probably going down the memory hole, and he'll be a white chinese before it's over.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 10:55 AM  

@54 Raziel Walker

Regarding gun control, the least the US government could do is allowing the ATF to use computers to track gun sales.
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Beyond the fact the 2nd amendment (I know, constitution dead) says "shall not be infringed", if I understand Vox point here, the ATF might be the epitome of out of control police style units. They are federal, which is even worse.

Blogger The Other Robot July 08, 2016 10:57 AM  

That's probably going down the memory hole, and he'll be a white chinese before it's over.

Turns out that he was a Native American (Geronimo.)

Blogger Jack Hanson July 08, 2016 11:02 AM  

I too, remember white shooters Chris Dorner and the DC Snipers.

Anonymous damntull July 08, 2016 11:04 AM  

I think Vox is missing the bigger picture, which, as Steve Sailer points out, is the Left's strategy of stoking black rage during an election season.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 11:08 AM  

I hope this isn't a dumb question, but what has caused the police to become militarized?

There are always those who yearn for a police state, of course, and they were already using the fear of crime and drugs to push for that. But it was the fear of terrorism that really gave them the clout they needed. After 9/11, funding for anti-terrorism (read: military-style) training and equipment flowed out to every police force in the country, from the urban departments that may have use for it to my small town which averages one murder per year, usually involving a drug dealer from out of town.

Americans, even out here where it was entirely unnecessary, went along with it because what if a terrorist bombed the county courthouse? And it was free money from on high that couldn't be used for anything else, so why not wrap the local cops in armor when they're going out to serve bad check judgments and divorce papers or break up a fight between a couple of the town drunks that they know by name? What could go wrong?

Anonymous jdgalt July 08, 2016 11:11 AM  

Unless and until the police give up their military-style affectations, "us vs them" mentality, and most of all, their legal unaccountability, they're going to find themselves fighting a war against the American people. And it is a war they simply cannot win.

I wish this were true. But look at the rest of the Americas: there are plenty of banana republics where the police ARE at war with the people on an ongoing basis, and nobody is going to make them change. The police have won there, and unless a miracle occurs they're going to win here, too.

Anonymous Anonymous July 08, 2016 11:16 AM  

Shut up Vox. You may have let Willie wash your bald head, but you never lived next to Willie or his folk in the hood.

Also, if you constantly accuse your lessers of virtue signaling, what the proper term for your perpetual falling back on "I was a NCAA athlete" spill whenever you need cred in matters of race experience? "Street cred signaling" sounds good. I'm sure you'll have a clever retort, but let it be known I owned you in this discussion before, and I'll do it again. That's signaling.

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 08, 2016 11:28 AM  

Chris Mallory wrote:MC227 wrote:he cops so far have been acquitted because there is no evidence to convict

The cops have been acquitted because they took bench trials instead of jury trials. They knew a judge would protect them, while a citizens jury would put them under the jail.


As someone who resides in the area outside of Baltimore City proper, the judge in that case, who is black, has been vehemently consistent in his handling of the cases before him, even when he does award the prosecution small procedural victories before he excoriates them on their extremely flimsy volumes of evidence.

The consensus, or at least what I'm seeing, is that the Baltimore PD officers were doing their jobs, albeit poorly, and it was a number of factors that happened in such rapid succession that Freddie Gray ended up dead after he was arrested.

The kicker in Porter's trial: the jury was locked at 11-1 to ACQUIT. One lone holdout, who, I'm guessing here, may or may not have a justifiable reason to trust the police, felt it was more important to vote with their feelings over the extreme lack of evidence to eliminate any sort of reasonable doubt.

If there were sufficient evidence to convict, I get the impression Judge Williams would have done so for either Officers Nero or Goodson. The fact is this entire situation is pure politics, from the indictments to the extremely rookie mistakes demonstrated by the prosecution. If anything, I think Judge Williams is smart to not outright dismiss the charges and let the evidence be heard. Pretty obvious CYA move on his part. If he were to automatically accept the defenses' requests to dismiss the charges out of hand, then I can see him "protecting" the officers, but that's not what's happening here.

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 08, 2016 11:28 AM  

Civil Rights Act destroyed freedom of association. War on Poverty crushed violent people into Brutalist style ghettos. War on Drugs provided them weapons and rackets, and initiated Martial Law.

Bad boys. Bad boys. Whatchoo gonna do?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 11:35 AM  

@159 EH

Yeesh, from that description sounds like you are near the airport, or maybe east side. If not in downtown itself.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 11:38 AM  

The suicide shooter has been ID'd.
Micah Xavier Johnson
He is an Army vet. He has a picture in his dress uniform. It doesn't show a CIB, but I wasn't army so I don't know if it has a service ribbon for dress uniforms or not.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas-police-shooting-sniper-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-identified-photos-facebook-video/

Blogger Doom July 08, 2016 11:44 AM  

Why, then, is it only ever blacks? More whites are killed by cops than blacks. No, it's merely that whites, and some of us breeds, don't really care about our criminal element. That is all they seem to have. Keep your warm fuzzys for cop killers, I'm walking on this one.

Blogger confederate miner July 08, 2016 11:49 AM  

They obviously haven't had the right kind of military training. Their tactic seems to be get there fast and then be targets. No fire and maneuver nothing. They get behind their vehicles they don't know that a vehicle doesn't make very good cover. If that had been 40 well armed white men with some basic combat skills there wouldn't be a Dallas PD today.

Blogger bob k. mando July 08, 2016 11:55 AM  

8. Napoleon 12pdr July 08, 2016 5:26 AM
The other is PDs that refuse to police themselves.



which is why
IF the national news media was the slightest bit concerned about this situation
THEN they would be playing up all the times pigs are murdering white people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zur4jjhKXuo

but they ignore all of these White victim situations as that undermines the narrative of "Racist Cops Oppress Innocent Blacks".


things that make you go, "hmmmm."




20. David F. July 08, 2016 5:40 AM
If the police are hyper-violent then I want data.


IF you choose to look
THEN you will notice that it's documented all over the internet.

hell, there are videos all over youtube, if you simply choose to look for them.

police brutality is actually one of the few good things that Reason.com magazine has been on since the early 90s, they've been documenting the people being murdered in no-knock police raids at least that long.

Pro Libertate also does a good job
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2016-07-06T12:27:00-06:00


hell, even Mark Steyn talks about this problem every so often. although, Steyn has been a bit distracted for the last several years defending himself against that nuisance environmental junk science defamation suit.



34. David F. July 08, 2016 6:07 AM
and unlike Europe, cops have to imagine a gun lurking under every shirttail.



oh, fuck you, you quivering little cuck bitch.

go tell the Paris cops about how they don't have to worry about firearms being used against them.

this has NOTHING to do with US ownership of self defense weapons. up until ~ WW1, it was common throughout the West for the citizenries to be armed. up until that 1800s dueling was commonplace.

this is a problem with modern policing in the US.

https://youtu.be/PKkUG1F2JiI?t=1m41s

if you think the above pig response to an old woman in her own home is "reasonable", you might be a cuck bitch.



129. Josh July 08, 2016 9:07 AM
Many people, including you, who want to disarm the population, should be deported. You can't handle the rights and responsibilities of a free society.



i second this motion.


149. Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 9:44 AM
The cop in the BR felt the gun in Altons pocket. It is insane to expect those cops to stand there and do nothing while they let those guys pull their guns.



Alton was being instructed to "get on the ground" ... while he was flat on his back on the ground.

Alton's gun was in his pocket AND HIS ARMS WERE SECURED when the pig felt the outline of gun in his pocket ... and that was sufficient "cause" to get him murdered.

not pulling the weapon.

not brandishing the weapon.

not threatening the police.

because NONE of those things happened.

simply having a pistol on his person was his death warrant.

both of those cops should be put up against a wall and executed for murder.

any YOU should be deported as unfit to live in a free society.



157. VD July 08, 2016 10:12 AM
I have showered with more black men than Nero.



gay, so gay.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner July 08, 2016 11:58 AM  

Shit they did this for a crips gangbanger felon who shouldn't have had a gun, Lavish Diamond lied. Ludenpress calling it a peaceful protest. This shooting is not shocking but the number of groids that celebrate it may shock some.

this "killbot" training may be good for soldiers in war zones is terrible for "community policing".

If you want Mayberry Style policing you need Mayberry Style demographics.

Blogger bob k. mando July 08, 2016 12:03 PM  

182. VFM #6306 July 08, 2016 11:28 AM
Civil Rights Act destroyed freedom of association.



no, the Reconstruction Amendments destroyed freedom of association.

what contracts are "valid" when a signatory is coerced into signing it?

all of the Southern states were illegally and lawlessly forced to sign the Reconstruction Amendments.

Blogger PoseidonAwoke July 08, 2016 12:06 PM  

I really have a hard time buying the idea that police are so unaccountable that it has engendered this response. To me, it's much more likely that blacks (who are 13% of the population and commit 50% of the murder and other violent crimes) are dangerous and cops fear for their lives when dealing with them. Cops want to live and to ask that they should risk their lives even more to give the thugs yet more leeway to kill them, it simply does not compute.

I was frankly astounded as I read this piece. I usually agree with Vox, but we are completely out of step here. I literally thought I was reading a troll piece as Vox recommends cops being nicer to the criminals. Great. So the BLM crowd is going to get what they want: even less policing of blacks. And all the decent people will have to live in terror for their lives because they are deprived of police protection. More white cops will flee black areas, and we will see how well black cops can police black areas.

Even now I keep wondering if Vox is playing some mental game. I really can't believe this 'Police need to be much nicer to blacks and we need to put more cops in prison' position. How do you think cops do in prison? What are the chances that a prison sentence for a cop is actually a death sentence?

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 12:12 PM  

Your article surprised me Vox, because you seem to think policing is the problem and not just a symptom of the real problem. These changes to policing didn't occur in a vacuum. Cops didn't wake up one day and say, "ya know, let's just change our protocols and scare the shit out of new recruits." Why this happened is important. And I think your solution, to “drop their military style affectations,” is utterly ineffective as this isn’t the source of the conflict, it’s an adaptation to it.

You literally do not know what you're talking about. Which is why I could not care less what you think.

Do you really think MORE militarization will solve the problem? Shall we start bombing black neighborhoods? Doing full-blown military patrols?

Guess what happens then? Here is a hint: we have a decade of data from Iraq from which to draw.

I was frankly astounded as I read this piece. I usually agree with Vox, but we are completely out of step here. I literally thought I was reading a troll piece as Vox recommends cops being nicer to the criminals. Great.

That's because you have no idea what is taking place. Read the freaking headline. What does it say? Now, do you know what Fourth Generation War is?

There are two ways you win 4GW. 1. Hamas model. 2. Play very, very nice and leave them to their own devices.

That's it. And since (1) is off the table for the time being, that leaves (2).

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 12:17 PM  

"The police are trained to murder unarmed people and lie about what they are doing"

When the worlds of mendaciousness and autism collide.


That is exactly what police are trained to do, as any policeman or anyone who has trained police can tell you. They are trained to lie in order to confuse witnesses, so they will shout "stop moving" at a motionless man and "drop it" at someone who has nothing in his hands.

Now, you can either retract your false claim or you can get the hell out of here.

Blogger Keef July 08, 2016 12:20 PM  

"You can both believe there is a big cop problem, and that American poor blacks are a problem. Dont think leaders care, they see both as just a problem to utilize to maintain power or move things where they want."


^this x100.

I personally loathe BLM and most police officers and believe they deserve each other.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 12:25 PM  

"Shall we start bombing black neighborhoods?"

Already been done, Philadelphia 1985.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 12:28 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:Alton's gun was in his pocket AND HIS ARMS WERE SECURED when the pig felt the outline of gun in his pocket ... and that was sufficient "cause" to get him murdered.

His right arm is was not secured. Obviously you've never wrestled a 250lb. man before trying to arrest him when he didn't want to be.

bob k. mando wrote:

Alton was being instructed to "get on the ground" ... while he was flat on his back on the ground.


In both videos the camera were turned away at the crucial moments. You don't know if he was getting up off the ground. If you knew anything about combat you would know that people can be mobile and still a threat even after being shot in the heart.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2016 12:33 PM  

It doesn't matter if a cop is black, Hispanic, Asian, or Martian; if he or she kills someone it is a white man's fault. Because white straight men are The Man (even though The Man is obviously gay and black.)

Blogger Jack Hanson July 08, 2016 12:37 PM  

As sworn LE, I can tell you that your misunderstanding of the Use of Force model and the precepts laid down on Graham v Connor and Tennesee v Garner is not only wrong, but so wrong as to be both autistic and mendacious.

They are not "trained to lie". The fact of the matter is that in any high stress situation (as I told you on the Brainstorm you invited me to), your mind is going to focus and narrow in on whatever the threat is. Furthermore what the officer perceives isn't readily apparent to bystanders in many cases.

They shout "stop moving" to cover themselves since case law has been handed down that says if you don't give a command repeatedly and loudly, the suspect might not have heard it. They say "drop it" because at 2am clenched fists (another stress response) looks like you're holding something.

I'm not retracting shit. You're so far out to sea here you're not even able to make sense and repeating every BLM hearsay as fact while you have no clue wtf you're talking about and don't have the first idea of where to begin other than to name drop Lind.

Why don't you retract this horse abortion of a post where it's obvious you don't even know what to say other than respond with a view reminiscent of high functioning asperger's.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 08, 2016 12:37 PM  

Joe Blowe wrote:

His right arm is was not secured. Obviously you've never wrestled a 250lb. man before trying to arrest him when he didn't want to be.


The gun was in his pocket, there was no deadly threat.

The man should have never been taken to the ground in the first place. The government thugs started the physical confrontation by tackling him. No government employee should be allowed to order any citizen to get on the ground or their knees. If they have to stand their and talk for 3 hours, fine that is the job they are paid to do.

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