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Wednesday, July 13, 2016

"A horrifying mess"

The verdict is in: Grrlbusters is even worse than anticipated:
For months, controversy has swirled around the new “Ghostbusters” movie. The trailer was reportedly the most hated in YouTube history, for what that’s worth (or not worth), which led to some pundits saying some of that hate was rooted in sexism.

Others said the fact the Leslie Jones character wasn’t a scientist and seemed to have a role that called for her to play into stereotypes smacked of racism.

Of course, people were voicing these opinions without having seen the entire movie. Well, I have seen it — and while I believe the concerns about racial stereotypes were overblown, “Ghostbusters” is one of the worst movies of the year for multiple other reasons, including:

Bad acting.

Uninspired directing, editing, cinematography and music.

Cheesy special effects.

A forgettable villain.

A terrible script.
SJWs always destroy everything they converge.

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80 Comments:

Blogger Kona Commuter July 13, 2016 6:45 AM  

This disaster should end peoples careers. I'm talking about from whomever authorised it to whomever agreed to finance it with other peoples money. Also if the SFX are that bad anyone involved in managing / authorising them should see their careers end as well

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume July 13, 2016 6:50 AM  

I am by no means an SJW. I've been called racist frequently. Its usually true.

And even I cringed at the portrayal of the black female Ghostbuster in the trailers.

I couldn't believe this movie was a Great Diverse Hope when they didn't bother to make the black Ghostbuster one of the actual scientists.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 13, 2016 6:50 AM  

Others said the fact the Leslie Jones character wasn’t a scientist and seemed to have a role that called for her to play into stereotypes smacked of racism.

Including the Winston character demonstrated more than anything else that this movie had no real vision for itself. That it is just going to plod down the Ghostbusters 2 path of mediocrity.

In the first movie, Winston was the extrapolation character. If you needed to explain something to the audience, you explained it to Winston. His only other function was to say a joke that Bill Murray could have delivered better. When someone asks you if you are a god, you say, "yes"

In the second movie Winston's function was to demonstrate just how dull and uninspired the sequel was going to be in the first five minutes. There was simply no need for the character by then.

Including a Winston analog, demonstrates that no creative energy was expended in the making of this movie.

Anonymous M.W. Peak July 13, 2016 7:06 AM  

At this point, the 1993 film Hocus Pocus is a nostalgic breath of fresh air.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUMsInka2s

Blogger Krul July 13, 2016 7:13 AM  

I'm a little suspicious of this whole Ghostbusters mess. It seems like they're intentionally behaving like incorrigible parodies of SJWs in order to generate buzz. Unnecessary all-female cast, shrill accusations of sexism, blatant hypocrisy (calling others "sexist" when their film is racist and sexist), dreadful low-brow "humor", preachiness, even the director, Paul Fag, blatantly insulting their audience

Listen to James Rolfe's video, which was met with endless whining accusations of "misogyny". Does he say anything remotely misogynistic? Is he even angry? Not by any stretch.

I get the feeling that Paul Fag et al knew they had a turd on their hands and decided to channel the widespread hatred for SJWs (and also for unnecessary remakes of beloved movies) into publicity for their film by being as blatant and insulting as possible. If this meant maligning good people like James Rolfe, then so be it.

Blogger Chrom July 13, 2016 7:21 AM  

To be fair to the black Ghostbuster, a lot of her best lines were left on the cutting room floor. Timeless classics, such as,"Oh no, you di-int!", and "Talk to da hand", and of course, "Bitch, you crazy!", and who could forget, "DYNOMITE!"

Blogger Shimshon July 13, 2016 7:29 AM  

@6 "I dindu nuttin'."

Blogger Leo Little Book July 13, 2016 7:30 AM  

The only real joke in the trailer Vox posted was the alpha's agree and amplify cheekiness regarding boob size. The women's "humor" consisted of making noises that were ambiguously either surprise or arousal in response to cocky alpha sprezzatura. As objectified scenery I rate their performance fat out of five.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 13, 2016 7:31 AM  

Here is the proof that it's at best, dull and drab Rotten Tomatoes rating is 77% positive

If it was anything that approached decent, a Feminist Narrative Movie would pull no less than a 95% positive.

Blogger Leo Little Book July 13, 2016 7:31 AM  

I refer to this: voxday.blogspot.com/2016/07/grrlbusters-lamer-than-expected.

Blogger Krul July 13, 2016 7:35 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Here is the proof that it's at best, dull and drab Rotten Tomatoes rating is 77% positive

Want a laugh? Click on "Top Critics"

Blogger YIH July 13, 2016 8:06 AM  

When the movie's bad
And the song sucks too
You 'ya gonna call?
TURD FLUSHERS!!!

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 13, 2016 8:16 AM  

When "Aw, hell naw!" is revealed to be the only dialog indicating the character is less stereotypical than expected, the bar has been set below ground level...and subsequently tripped over.

What was he expecting her to do? Sing "Mammy?"

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 13, 2016 8:17 AM  

Ghostbusters (1984) had the three best comedic talents of the day working together on three different visions for the project(four if you count director Ivan Reitman).

Dan Akryoyd, honestly believed in this stuff. Bill Murray, ad libbed constantly and Harold Ramis never left the script.

It should have been a disaster but instead these guys were so used to working together they made one of the all time greats. It was lightening in a bottle.

If you were trying to get close to that today you would cast (just off the top of my head, don't go all Gamma here gentlemen), Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill, Paul Rudd and if you must Craig Robinson as Winston, (although Ernie Hudson still has the chops). Then put Apatow in charge of the cat herd. Who the fuck cares who plays the chick?

Instead we have cuck-faced Paul Feig picking a selection of the best female comics out there.

And none of them are all that good.

This whole vagina filled project was getting ramrodded by Amy Carney who should have gone to wall after of the Sony Hack for pissing off half of the A-List in Hollywood.

Blogger Randsom Smith July 13, 2016 8:34 AM  

I swear, Paul Feig watched A League of Their Own before he made the movie. Deciding it was inspiration, he shrugged and said "Women can bust ghosts too!!"

Forgetting that the ghosts are such a mild element of the original.

Blogger Cecil Henry July 13, 2016 8:34 AM  

Sure it might be bad, but their motives (((propaganda))) were in the right place.

Like any 1930's Soviet propaganda movie, the boredom and insipidness are supposed to be overcome by the excellence of the true SJW message.

Except... NOT.

Blogger Krul July 13, 2016 8:40 AM  

Krul wrote:It seems like they're intentionally behaving like incorrigible parodies of SJWs in order to generate buzz.

Consider that their behavior seems calculated to confirm negative stereotypes about their side. Women aren't funny. Women ruin everything. Feminists hate men. Feminists are ugly. White feminists are racist. It's like they're painting a target on their backs specifically to attract criticism so they can then turn around and shriek "misogyny!" for further publicity and positive media coverage.

Blogger tublecane July 13, 2016 8:49 AM  

@3-I think you mean exposition, not extrapolation. That is a very important role, by the way, though it doesn't make for a great character. Winston was also a straight man, but the movie had already had a phenomenal straight man in Egon Spengler. Sigourney Weaver also fulfilled both functions (expository character and straight woman), in addition to being the romantic interest and damsel in distress, so Winston was even less necessary.

Ghostbusters '84 had a strong, almost impenetrable foundation in the three lead characters, who complimented eachother perfectly. It also had two fine supporting comedic characters in Rick Moranis and Annie Potts. Ernie Hudson was extraneous to that. He didn't add much of anything to the horror or action aspects, either. He was purely functional, except, I suppose, he demonstrated that the Ghostbusters were a growing concern, and entrepreneurialism was a major theme of the movie.

Ernie delivered one memorable line, which makes me laugh every time: "If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say."

Anonymous krymneth July 13, 2016 8:50 AM  

Krul wrote:I'm a little suspicious of this whole Ghostbusters mess. It seems like they're intentionally behaving like incorrigible parodies of SJWs in order to generate buzz.

I doubt it. SJWs are generally sincere in their beliefs. I think it's more likely just a prime example of what John Wright has frequently discussed on his blog in the last few months; SJW principles are ultimately incompatible with storytelling. Telling a good story requires too many things that are thoughtcrime to an SJW.

As a further result of that, I think an awful lot of them seem to have this idea that stories are these things where first this one thing happens, then this other thing happens, then a couple of other things happen, and finally, the last thing happens. Being unable to unable to understand great stories due to great stories containing too much thoughtcrime in the connective tissue of the narrative leaves them unable to write them. I mean, even The Narrative is a disaster of simplicity largely captured by sentences of the form "*noun* good!" and "*noun* bad!", completely unable to handle the complexities of the real world.

Anonymous vfm #0202 July 13, 2016 8:59 AM  

Oh come on. Sometimes it's *adjective* bad!

Blogger Human Animal July 13, 2016 8:59 AM  

Good storytelling and fiction in general can be very effective in bypassing psychological and ideological defenses. It's both why they fear and wish to control it and why they never really will.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 13, 2016 8:59 AM  

SJWs always destroy everything they converge.

Grrrrl power!

Anonymous BGKB July 13, 2016 9:01 AM  

One thing I wondered is if they used makeup to make them look more ugly to appear serious.

To be fair to the black Ghostbuster, a lot of her best lines were left on the cutting room floor.

Swipe yo EBT.

"I dindu nuttin'." Its "I dindu nuffin'."

Winston was also a straight man, but the movie had already had a phenomenal straight man in Egon Spengler

I thought all 3 of them were straight.

Anonymous Toastrider July 13, 2016 9:04 AM  

@3: The term you're looking for is 'audience surrogate', and Winston fit that perfectly. I rather liked Ernie Hudson, at least in GB1. 'If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.' Story of all our lives, I think :)

Someone must be pumping Fauxbusters HARD though, as Ralph had it pegged at 50% fresh in an earlier story. Is it possible to game the numbers to push the RT score up? Odd, the average rating on the website is a 6.6/10 (which is pretty meh).

I feel sorry for Chris Hemsworth. Just cash the check, Chris, and get in shape for the next Thor movie; even those were better than this schlock.

Anonymous Thales July 13, 2016 9:04 AM  

So much for not being able to judge a book by its cover...

Blogger tublecane July 13, 2016 9:05 AM  

@14-I agree with you, it us the leads that make the movie: their performances and how well the characters compliment eachother. But the most "lightning in a bottle" aspect, I think, is how well they blend the divergent genres of horror and comedy, or at least the kind of comedy they were into. Horror goes with black comedy, obviously. Ghostbusters, however, was light, sarcastic, almost farcical comedy. It was also genuinely scary. Except Slimer.

As a kid I found the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man simultaneously giggle-inducing and frightening. The way they built up to him was masterful, too. I'm not just talking about Ray's childlike innocence backfiring on front of the Cthulu-like monster. I mean how the movie goes from the oldtimey apparition I'm the library, with books and such flying through the air, to a disaster movie with an entire city in peril. Ivan Reitman, I guess, is responsible for that. It's a seamless buildup.

No doubt the new Ghostbusters has nothing like that. Ghostbusters '84 knows that the silly part is the Ghostbusters themselves, plus the other comedic characters. The rest we take seriously, or seriously enough. The leads are in way over their heads for most of the movie, which is the wellspring of most of the comedy. My prediction is that the new Ghostbusters will be all comedy, and you won't be able to take anything seriously.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 13, 2016 9:08 AM  

In the first movie, Winston was the extrapolation character. If you needed to explain something to the audience, you explained it to Winston. His only other function was to say a joke that Bill Murray could have delivered better. When someone asks you if you are a god, you say, "yes"

Fun fact - Winston was originally supposed to be played by Eddie Murphy.

Blogger tublecane July 13, 2016 9:11 AM  

@24-I was bored by Thor, but there was one funny moment, when in a present-day American diner the fish out of water Valhallan smashed a glass and called for more. The whole movie should have been about that. Reminded me of Merlin in This Perfect Day, am otherwise disappointing novel.

But Hollywood isn't interested in showing us characters so completely outside the Matrix. Unless it's so that they can be reeducated and paraded around as examples.

Blogger tublecane July 13, 2016 9:13 AM  

@27-That would have completely unbalanced the movie, though it would have still been funny. I imagine he and Murray would have been fighting for screentime , which would have been tiring for the audience.

Blogger Jakeithus July 13, 2016 9:13 AM  

Regarding the critics rating of 77%; there's too much politics and narrative behind the movie for reviewers to go into the movie with anything resembling a clean position. While some critics won't care, some will be influenced by a desire to be pro-feminist/anti-misogynist that it will increase their opinion of the film. Also expectations have been lowered so much by this point that anything positive is going to be amplified.

I've pretty much disagreed with the critics on every movie I've watched this year. Batman v Superman and Warcraft were the most enjoyable movies I saw and critics hated them, while Zootopia was boring and uninspired yet critics loved it (I also think that movie got a narrative boost; you can be anything you want to be!)

Anonymous Dyskord July 13, 2016 9:21 AM  

This movie was aimed and targeted for SJW's.
Hollywood and the MSM are of the opinion that they are the silent majority and we are the vocal minority. You'll notice many journo's especially in the entertainment biz started using "the vocal minority" to dismiss any criticism or wrongthink.

Female GB was gonna prove that there is overwhelming public support and films pushing SJW narratives are money makers. i honestly believe they had no doubt of their success.
Reality is a cruel B*tch, however. They justified the rejection of the film based on the "vocal minority" theory. Typical liberal reality dissonance. Pushed the Strong women doing it better theme and played the victim card by crying about be targeted by Misogynists and Trump supporters.

This Fail will not dissuade them however. Prepare for female Highlander (Bi-sexual black princess from Egypt) and more SJW improved remakes.

Anonymous cheddarman July 13, 2016 9:43 AM  

To bad we cant convince Hollywood to make more of these financial disasters. Bankrupting entire studios would clean out the SJW nests faster than anything, IMO.

Blogger tublecane July 13, 2016 9:47 AM  

@31-I don't think the movie was made in order to push SJW themes. That's just what they do because they can't think any other way, unless it is to put words in the mouths of villains. Grrlbusters was made because there's money in the name "Ghostbusters." They cast girls because they needed a gimmick, otherwise it wouldn't be new, it'd just probably be worse, and advertising is obsessed with the idea of Newness.

Oh, and Paul Feig is friends with a lot of female comedians. Though who decided he should run the show, I have no idea. I guess someone noticed Ivan Reitman did Animal House, and Bridesmaids is like a female Animal House. Okay, not really, but I'm desperate for an explanation. Maybe it was between Feig and Grrlbusters or Judd Apatow and Pot-smoking Busters, and they flipped a coin.

Anonymous BGKB July 13, 2016 9:51 AM  

To bad we cant convince Hollywood to make more of these financial disasters

I have a feeling "Swiss Army Man" with (((Daniel Radcliffe))) playing a corpse will do badly. There appears to be a gay necrophilia scene at the end of the trailer.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/23/swiss-army-man-review-dead-daniel-radcliffe-farts-paul-dano-to-safety

Anonymous BGKB July 13, 2016 9:52 AM  

Lionsgate actually made Swiss Army Man

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra July 13, 2016 9:58 AM  

The commercial was played 4 times in 20 minutes at the gym, it was embarrassingly desperate, looked very very same thing, same design with annoying actors.

Then again most of us dont bother with hollyweird's SJR's; sjruiners.

Love Bill Murray.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra July 13, 2016 9:59 AM  

Who'd like to know if Lena or even better the SNL women?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx July 13, 2016 10:00 AM  

krymneth wrote: even The Narrative is a disaster of simplicity largely captured by sentences of the form "*noun* good!" and "*noun* bad!", completely unable to handle the complexities of the real world.

Has anyone put all of The SJW Narrative together in one place? Some of it is more of a bullet list-

{*adjective* *noun*}{good!}
{Black Lives} {Matter}

There is some storytelling in the history rewrites.

Anonymous SumDood July 13, 2016 10:01 AM  

@ Cataline Sergius

"Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill, Paul Rudd"

No-talent generic cucks. I guess they can at least be proud that they haven't publicly imploded like Chia Labeouf, but that's not a substitute for talent or masculinity.

Chris Farley was able to make his weight work for him, at least. Hill is just a blob.

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 13, 2016 10:05 AM  

Krul wrote:Cataline Sergius wrote:Here is the proof that it's at best, dull and drab Rotten Tomatoes rating is 77% positive

Want a laugh? Click on "Top Critics"


That five percent increase from yesterday is pathetic.

Blogger Unknown July 13, 2016 10:08 AM  

Looks like Transformers is getting in on the the SJW nonsense, too.
https://youtu.be/sg0D1PpgCXs

Haha!

Anonymous pleskin July 13, 2016 10:09 AM  

If you were trying to get close to that today you would cast (just off the top of my head, don't go all Gamma here gentlemen), Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill, Paul Rudd and if you must Craig Robinson as Winston, (although Ernie Hudson still has the chops). Then put Apatow in charge of the cat herd.

Yeah, that's what we need. (((Ghostbusters)))!

Anonymous szilk July 13, 2016 10:17 AM  

So, what are the over and under odds that this is just a Hollywood "Spring Time for Hitler"?

Blogger Human Animal July 13, 2016 10:21 AM  

So, what are the over and under odds that this is just a Hollywood "Spring Time for Hitler"?

Isn't that the overall business model? Parent companies like disney gobble up tie-in revenue, the studio itself funnels profits into mystery zones away from talent, and even with a flop millions are paid to the friends and supporters of the scheme, especially through advertising.

Blogger praetorian July 13, 2016 10:49 AM  

Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill, Paul Rudd

Do all three of these talentless hacks have something in common, he wondered anti-semitically?

Anonymous CC July 13, 2016 10:51 AM  

krymneth wrote:Krul wrote:

I doubt it. SJWs are generally sincere in their beliefs. I think it's more likely just a prime example of what John Wright has frequently discussed on his blog in the last few months; SJW principles are ultimately incompatible with storytelling. Telling a good story requires too many things that are thoughtcrime to an SJW.

As a further result of that, I think an awful lot of them seem to have this idea that stories are these things where first this one thing happens, then this other thing happens, then a couple of other things happen, and finally, the last thing happens. Being unable to unable to understand great stories due to great stories containing too much thoughtcrime in the connective tissue of the narrative leaves them unable to write them. I mean, even The Narrative is a disaster of simplicity largely captured by sentences of the form "*noun* good!" and "*noun* bad!", completely unable to handle the complexities of the real world.


This is very true. Orwell wrote a great essay called "The Prevention of Literature" where he describes the death of art, specifically literature, in a totalitarian (communist) society.

Totalitarianism, however, does not so much promise an age of faith as an age of schizophrenia. A society becomes totalitarian when its structure becomes flagrantly artificial: that is, when its ruling class has lost its function but succeeds in clinging to power by force or fraud. Such a society, no matter how long it persists, can never afford to become either tolerant or intellectually stable. It can never permit either the truthful recording of facts or the emotional sincerity that literary creation demands. But to be corrupted by totalitarianism one does not have to live in a totalitarian country. The mere prevalence of certain ideas can spread a kind of poison that makes one subject after another impossible for literary purposes. Wherever there is an enforced orthodoxy — or even two orthodoxies, as often happens — good writing stops. This was well illustrated by the Spanish civil war. To many English intellectuals the war was a deeply moving experience, but not an experience about which they could write sincerely. There were only two things that you were allowed to say, and both of them were palpable lies: as a result, the war produced acres of print but almost nothing worth reading."

http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/prevention/english/e_plit

I've more or less given up on seeing new movies, and PC and poor storytelling are big reasons for that. But this Ghostbusters, like the recent Star Wars, might help serve as a wakeup call for people who tolerated political correctness up to now. And observing the Trump phenomenon, we do seem to be getting very close to breaking point.

Blogger Diego Del Sol July 13, 2016 10:52 AM  

/OT But James Rolfe's youtube channel has a trailer review for a new Toho (rubber suit) Godzilla movie to be released in Japan later this month. No date for a U.S. release. That might be something to look forward to. I'm not a big fan of the 2014 American reboot, which is apparently getting a sequel.

Blogger lowercaseb July 13, 2016 10:55 AM  

that critic is pretty damn brave, it's amazing how craven the rest of them have been.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016/

78% Fresh?!?

Blogger lowercaseb July 13, 2016 11:01 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Here is the proof that it's at best, dull and drab Rotten Tomatoes rating is 77% positive

If it was anything that approached decent, a Feminist Narrative Movie would pull no less than a 95% positive.


Heh! Sorry Cataline...my righteous indignation had me posting without reading the other comments first.

Just think of my last comment as me rebooting and re-imagining your comment...only with the modern sensibilities of this enlightend age...Hello! It's 10:55AM calling! We can do without the misogynistic zeitgeist of the 7:31AM generation!

Blogger Dalrock July 13, 2016 11:02 AM  

At least they have the critical lesbian feminist demographic locked up: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/10/ghostbusters-review-kate-mckinnon-s-probably-gay-gearhead-steals-the-show.html

Blogger Austin Ballast July 13, 2016 11:03 AM  

Pining for female comic movies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNkHV41yD-I

Blogger The Other Robot July 13, 2016 11:06 AM  

Only a few more days. I am expecting a lousy box office return on Monday. Of course, Sony could pay people to go see it this weekend.

Blogger praetorian July 13, 2016 11:13 AM  

Only a few more days. I am expecting a lousy box office return on Monday. Of course, Sony could pay people to go see it this weekend.

In other cinematic news, Escape From Cleveland begins filming on Monday.

High Energy live streams all week, baby!

Blogger lowercaseb July 13, 2016 11:13 AM  

The Other Robot wrote:Only a few more days. I am expecting a lousy box office return on Monday. Of course, Sony could pay people to go see it this weekend.

Sadly...I can see that. It seems to be the film industry's imperative that this film must succeed. Otherwise THE INTERNET wins...

Anonymous SciVo July 13, 2016 11:37 AM  

krymneth wrote:As a further result of that, I think an awful lot of them seem to have this idea that stories are these things where first this one thing happens, then this other thing happens, then a couple of other things happen, and finally, the last thing happens. Being unable to unable to understand great stories due to great stories containing too much thoughtcrime in the connective tissue of the narrative leaves them unable to write them. I mean, even The Narrative is a disaster of simplicity largely captured by sentences of the form "*noun* good!" and "*noun* bad!", completely unable to handle the complexities of the real world.

I find that plausible, since that's how they argue: make a string of assertions, and then... done. Like a cargo cult of reason.

Anonymous WaterBoy July 13, 2016 12:02 PM  

To absolutely nobody's surprise, the breakdown of the 77% shows that it was mostly women critics who liked it the most.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 13, 2016 12:34 PM  

@12 YIH
When the movie's bad
And the song sucks too
You 'ya gonna call?
TURD FLUSHERS!!!
---

Can we instead dump this stinker onto shit beach in Liberia?

Anonymous BGKB July 13, 2016 1:22 PM  

Only a few more days. I am expecting a lousy box office return on Monday. Of course, Sony could pay people to go see it this weekend.

Good thing schools are out for the summer or they would be using tax dollars to take students to see Women In STEM shoot marshmellowman in the crotch.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 13, 2016 1:30 PM  

It's not true no women are funny, it's just a very, very small number.
I'm working on an odd couple/buddy comedy script that features a young Dr. Seuss & a young Dr. Goebbels, following their whacky hijinks.

Blogger Sam Lively July 13, 2016 1:33 PM  

Why do people always hate on Ghostbusters II? Great movie. Vigo, the mood slime, the frou-frou art museum guy, Rick Moranis' courtroom monologue, and some great comedy writing.

Blogger Geir Balderson July 13, 2016 1:49 PM  

"And even I cringed at the portrayal of the black female Ghostbuster in the trailers."

Sad for me to say this, but I thought the black woman was a guy. She was such a caricature of a black person with the wide-eyed expressions, the ebonics and the emphasis on their blackness. That,and I questioned her IQ hovering around 85 for comic relief. This appears to be an awful movie, and I am sure Huffington Post or Salon will praise it as a brave foot forward for Girl Movies!!

Anonymous Jill July 13, 2016 1:52 PM  

"It's not true no women are funny, it's just a very, very small number."

I'm hilarious. I'm funnier than anyone I know; I constantly amuse myself. It's just too bad nobody else recognizes this. I wonder if it would be socially just to force people to find me funny? ;)

Blogger tublecane July 13, 2016 2:33 PM  

@60-There were two things good about Ghostbusters II: 1). the toaster scene, and 2). "Suck in the guts, guys. We're the Ghostbusters."

Anonymous SumDood July 13, 2016 2:36 PM  

@ Praetorian,

That (((trait))) does not preclude an actor from being talented or masculine; ex: Kirk Douglas and Paul Newman.

But those schlubs that Cataline Sergius named are just mediocrities. The fact that they have acting careers is embarrassing.

Blogger Krul July 13, 2016 3:06 PM  

"I don't wanna hear how this is "just a movie" that "some people might like, or not." The outcome of the culture wars is being decided, now.

Just so we're all clear: The reception & box office performance of the new Ghostbusters movie is the final, universal verdict on feminism."

-Rebecca Cohen

Blogger Michael Miecielica July 13, 2016 6:41 PM  

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016/

actually 3/4 of critics like it...Roeper is far outside the consensus. even those who dislike it seem to think it isn't horrible.

So good job cherry picking one of the most negative reviews. Much science. good logic.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 13, 2016 6:41 PM  

I hear the wailing of many paladins.

OpenID gnossoss July 13, 2016 7:02 PM  

@66

You obviously don't know how to read reviews. If the movie is SJW-infused, the score ranges from 70%-100% positive. If it's only 75% positive that means it sucks so hard, some of the reviewers can't enjoy it even though they tried very hard.

Normal people I've heard of who saw it all hated it.

Blogger Michael Maier July 13, 2016 9:16 PM  

I will endure this shite because 1: I don't pay for movies and 2: my niece has two scenes.

I will attempt to drink heavily before going into the theater.

Anonymous Ain July 13, 2016 9:50 PM  

Hollywood pushes an agenda. Though it would like to make money, and often does, that's still subservient to programming the masses. They're not going to go off message.

Anonymous Ain July 13, 2016 10:01 PM  

"that critic is pretty damn brave, it's amazing how craven the rest of them have been."

Most youtube commentaries about this have been nearly unwatchable because they fall over themselves to proclaim that they're not misogynistic.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 13, 2016 10:44 PM  

@69 Michael Maier

2: my niece has two scenes.
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May she not be tarred forevermore by her association with this

Blogger Efrem July 13, 2016 11:42 PM  

Pound that piece of garbage into the next dimension!!!

Blogger The Other Robot July 13, 2016 11:55 PM  

actually 3/4 of critics like it...Roeper is far outside the consensus. even those who dislike it seem to think it isn't horrible.

If the critics like it it must really stink!

Blogger tublecane July 14, 2016 12:34 AM  

@71-Yes, even antifeminists buy into equality nonsense. They have to preface every review with "And no, it's not because they're women; it's because it sucks." But the fact that they're women is a stumbling block. Because women generally aren't good scientists, aren't action heroes, and are afraid of ghosts. Granted, Bill Murray at least wasn't a good scientist, they were all afraid of ghosts to start with, and they only gradually because heroic in Ghostbusters '84. But when they did, it was plausible. I guarantee the new Grrlbusters are not plausible hero-scientists.

OpenID gnossoss July 14, 2016 1:22 AM  

@75

Yes, the alt-right has taught me not to be what I call an "of-coursair." There are so many qualifications and attempts to deny that one is racist or sexist that it makes what's being said into gibberish.

The fact that they're women IS a big part of why it sucks. I'm done with "of course nobody's saying--" and that nonsense. The whole idea was that these brilliant scientists invented dangerous new tech that allowed them to do the blue-collar job of being ghost exterminators. Women don't invent new tech, don't do dangerous jobs, are too afraid of anything scary or dangerous to confront it, don't like blue-collar jobs, and wouldn't have the physical strength and endurance to carry heavy dangerous equipment around. On top of that, this idiot movie gives its female characters the credit for ideas that were invented by men, all for a movie that won't be interesting to female audiences anyway and which is too annoying and obviously anti-male for men to like it either.

It's the same as the whiners who keep trying to pressure video game companies and comics companies. Inserting all the BS they want makes your product suck, and they won't buy it anyway because they were never interested in the first place. They just wanted to make sure that nobody else got to enjoy something they didn't approve of.

Anonymous SciVo July 14, 2016 2:07 AM  

Jill wrote:I'm hilarious. I'm funnier than anyone I know; I constantly amuse myself. It's just too bad nobody else recognizes this.

Ha! Wait. Did you do that on purpose? The problem with female comedy is, in fact, female solipsism -- which is why the less self-conscious a female comic is, the more enduringly funny she is.

Male comics don't have that problem, because male self-consciousness is unattractive, so male neuroticism is comic on several levels -- not least for the same reason as male slapstick, which is that men are genetically predisposed to enjoy seeing other men beclown themselves.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 14, 2016 3:40 AM  

I find that plausible, since that's how they argue: make a string of assertions, and then... done. Like a cargo cult of reason.

Ever watch a soap opera? Women love those, but there's never any coherence. It's just a bunch of characters creating pointless drama for no plausible reasons. it's all effect baby, don't bother with cause! The audience doesn't understand it, so don't annoy them with it. The writers probably don't either, do let's not take the risk they'll get it wrong.

Blogger Michael Miecielica July 14, 2016 11:24 AM  

@69

Either critical opinion is relevant. Or it is not. You don't get to cherry pick which films critic you listen to to demonstrate that a movie is a bomb.

the following films, all social justice related, have below 70% on the T-meter:

North Country
Mama Mia
Latter Days
Saved!

from memory.

much science. much logic.

Anonymous Southern Man July 14, 2016 12:47 PM  

True to form, the Wikipedia article still does not list "box office" as it does for every other film, including many post Ghostbusters releases.

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