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Thursday, July 28, 2016

Alt Right vs conservative


The difference is material. As are the outcomes. On a not-entirely-unrelated note, Donald Trump answered 12 questions at The Donald sub-reddit yesterday. One of them was from Milo:
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America has a proud tradition of stealing the most brilliant and talented people from countries around the world for ourselves. Albert Einstein, Wernher von Braun, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Melania Trump... the list goes on and on. In recent years, however, H-1B visa abuse has become rampant. A program meant bring truly exceptional talent to America has been twisted by globalist politicians and corporations, allowing low-cost, short term labor to steal jobs from everyday Americans and take everything they learn back to their home countries. Will you curb H-1B abuse and make sure visas are going to people who want to become American, stay American, and make America great?

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I have put forward a detailed plan for H-1B reform to protect American workers which can viewed on the immigration paper on my website. My plan is the exact opposite of Crooked Hillary Clinton.

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For the lazy
  • Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
  • Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
However, it was another answer that was more significant, as once more, Trump stressed the need to change both economic policy and foreign policy, linking both to the corrupt system of politics that is rigged against the interest of most Americans.

Americans in every party are tired of our rigged system and corrupt politicians, and want to reform our government so it no longer benefits the powerful at the expense of everyone else. They know I will fix it so it works for them and their families. Hillary Clinton's message is that things will never change. My message is that things have to change, and they have to change right now.

We have to change a foreign policy that has led us to one economic disaster after another, and an economic policy that has failed our poorest citizens. We will never fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it in the first place.

I am going to return the government to the people.

Together, we will Make America Great Again. 

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116 Comments:

Blogger Fred July 28, 2016 8:06 AM  

At last a sane H1B policy. It is a weak beginning of how other countries treat US workers that want to emigrate, but better than nothing. Example Australia-if there is a local that can do the same STEM job, the IT foreigner will never get a work Visa, unlike the US. Same in Canada. Same in Germany. Trump 2016.

Blogger CM July 28, 2016 8:08 AM  

I've been checking his site periodically through the whole election cycle.

I still do not know how Cruz was better than this.

Anonymous VFM#0265 July 28, 2016 8:10 AM  

Hmmmm, wondering if that Tazmanian Devil was intended to look like Milo Yiannopolous. Heh.

Anonymous Eduardo July 28, 2016 8:11 AM  

Nice cartoon... It had to have ultra violence in it huh?

I love how Trump just says exactly what people think about things, it almost feels like the common working guy is there in his shoes telling the people what it must be done.



Anonymous Eduardo July 28, 2016 8:13 AM  

I think Taz in meant to be Trump really.

Anonymous VFM#0265 July 28, 2016 8:15 AM  

Ah, nice catch, Eduardo. Our two favorite Blondies! All hail the Trumpening!

Blogger Student in Blue July 28, 2016 8:17 AM  

I was just reading the Trump AMA. The questions he answered and how he chose to answer shows just how cautious and thoughtful he has been, despite all of his signaling that he's an outspoken and brash fellow.

Blogger Johnny July 28, 2016 8:21 AM  

For some reason our government in particular does a poor job of representing its citizens.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 28, 2016 8:29 AM  

The more Trump links political corruption to H1B visas, open borders, constant war, and bad trade deals, the better he does. His primary goal is to win, of course, but the secondary effect of awakening the masses also is important. Trump realizes most of the public is unaware of how they were raped, but understand it has happened. Trump is able to explain in language people who don't follow policies or even politics understand. It has served him very well.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen July 28, 2016 8:33 AM  

"Bouncing athwart Progress and gasping 'No!'."

Blogger Student in Blue July 28, 2016 8:39 AM  

"Bouncing athwart Progress and gasping 'No!'."

Yowch. Where'd this rhetorical zinger come from? It's good.

Blogger Alexander July 28, 2016 8:45 AM  

This cartoon implies that being on the alt-right means making the train not fine.

Triggered.

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 28, 2016 8:52 AM  

This cartoon implies that being on the alt-right means making the train not fine.

Oh, but the train IS fine.
Now.

Anonymous FrankNorman July 28, 2016 8:55 AM  

I think it implies that being on Alt-Right means having allies with train-killing firepower.

Blogger Unknown July 28, 2016 8:56 AM  

Or should I say.. "train-not-fine-making firepower" ? :-D

Blogger Diego Del Sol July 28, 2016 9:09 AM  

What is the minimum floor he's talking about? $150,000 seems like a good number. It's what "the best and brightest" deserve, right? I'd prefer a moratorium on H1Bs for 5 years. If that not, how about cutting it to down to 5000 a year, and you'd have to show you've interviewed 100 Americans and none of them could do the job.

OpenID paworldandtimes July 28, 2016 9:12 AM  

Fantastic cartoon. Blows up the thing about Buckley's slogan that never sat well with me, its implied inevitability of Communism.

PA

Anonymous Naploeon 12pdr July 28, 2016 9:18 AM  

@16: Probably around $80-100K/year.

The issue being complained about is that the Silicon Valley Megalomaniacs can import hordes of coders from India, etc. Bring them in on H1B visas, then pay them 2/3rds of what an American programmer would demand.

Important career note for IT people: Get onto programs that require a security clearance.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2016 9:19 AM  

It's almost like Trump has talked to knowledgeable people and developed detailed plans to address real problems, and isn't just spouting vague slogans that people want to hear. Huh.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen July 28, 2016 9:27 AM  

Student in Blue wrote:Where'd this rhetorical zinger come from?

Me, thanks.

Blogger Nick S July 28, 2016 9:33 AM  

"Hillary Clinton's message is that things will never change."

This is the central issue. The reprobate minds that are the supporters of HilLIARy Clinton can't be trusted in any aspect of your life. Their differing opinions deserve no respect whatsoever. If they agree with HilLIARy, they support, either through malice or pure stupidity (it doesn't matter which), the destruction of civilization and ultimately the destruction of mankind as the apex species. If you think I'm being overly dramatic, then you haven't thought through the long term global ramifications of an even more liberal SCOTUS.

Anonymous Turner Ashby July 28, 2016 9:34 AM  

Requiring that jobs be offered to American workers first won't help much unless there are strict rules about how the jobs are offered to American workers. I've read about cases in which the jobs were only advertised in small ads in newspapers hundreds of miles away from the work location, no relocation offered.

Blogger Gaiseric July 28, 2016 9:36 AM  

Diego Del Sol wrote:What is the minimum floor he's talking about? $150,000 seems like a good number. It's what "the best and brightest" deserve, right? I'd prefer a moratorium on H1Bs for 5 years. If that not, how about cutting it to down to 5000 a year, and you'd have to show you've interviewed 100 Americans and none of them could do the job.
Just get rid of it completely. The O1 visa program is sufficient for the truly "best and the brightest" that we want to come to America. The H1 is merely the "cheapest and the most convenient" for crony business interests. The entire program is a scam. Do you really think a low-level coder or auditer from India is truly better and brighter than his American counterpart? You spend half of your time while interfacing with him trying to bridge cultural gaps so he actually does what you want him to, then his vaunted attention to detail turns out to be oversold anyway and you have to correct half of what he's done.

The average IQ in India isn't really all that high, after all. It's low 80s; comparable to Zimbabwe or Honduras.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 28, 2016 9:41 AM  

You tell one faction of the D Looting Party that the other factions want to steal their stuff. The D party does have weaknesses you know, we can stop playing Cuckservative Intellectual.

EG; Do you really want to debate the likes of Triggly Puff, she like other looters is a hungry land whale just begging to be trolled. So Mz Puff do you really think every D voter cares about 3rd Wave feminism and aren't you worried that even in your party you are a barely tolerated minority?

Trump has sought out weaknesses of the D party coalition, those weaknesses are legion.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 28, 2016 9:42 AM  

Wiley Coyote is the perfect avatar for conservatives: you know he's always going to lose. Now, think about how Bugs Bunny would stop the train.

The cartoon is excellent, and I think there is potential for a series of them.

Blogger B.J. July 28, 2016 9:50 AM  

To be fair, half the American STEM grads probably don't deserve their credentials. An astounding number of Computer Science degrees are awarded each year to people with no functional programming ability. Lots of people fumble through the classes with a combination of plagiarism, relying on other students to complete group projects, and outright cheating. Lots of people in America go to college with the idea that degree = good job and don't care about the skills involved. Schools are under pressure to graduate minorities and women so they let these students squeak by. Don't get me started on work ethics.

Not saying H1-B isn't exploitative in its own way but I don't think the program would be where it is if America was really turning out the best and the brightest. As soon as anyone suggests that schools tighten their standards and be more diligent in who they graduate you get called a racist. Besides, H1-B solves the problem now while fixing American schools could take decades.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 28, 2016 9:51 AM  

@22. https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicagarrison/all-you-americans-are-fired?utm_term=.dwx7AVG70#.wqzwnyBwG

Hire them. Then fire them after a paycheck & bring in the foreign hoard.

Hopefully DTs staff will strengthen this position once they see the loopholes. VOTE TRUMP!

Or he means to keep the loopholes open and this is all kabuki. VOTE TRUMP, THEN BURN IT ALL DOWN.

I don't like gambling on Schrödinger's candidate, but there isn't any other feasible choice.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 28, 2016 9:53 AM  

Not since Ronald Reagan has a GOP candidate exposed the weaknesses of the D party coalition.

Anonymous TLM July 28, 2016 10:10 AM  

I would prefer that H1-B's be treated like illegals and are rounded up and thrown out. And how did the bindis get so wired in to the Subway franchise business? On the other hand, I'm not in tech and do not know if American workers are up to snuff in that area. But I just don't see how you can fix immigration, illegal and 'legal', without massive welfare reform (stop it) at the same time.

Anonymous Faceless July 28, 2016 10:11 AM  

@26

"no functional programming ability"

Not everybody likes Common Lisp.

Blogger residentMoron July 28, 2016 10:30 AM  

"We will never fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it in the first place."

That's a killer, right there, imho. Combined with the Hillary Rotten Clinton corruption memes, it's brutal. There's only one possible conclusion.

I still hear people saying how stupid Trump is. Fools.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2016 10:33 AM  

@26, You're wrong, and you have the causality backwards. American kids stopped getting into IT after the wages stagnated and it started to be seen as a "foreigner" job like landscaping and fruit picking.

A lot of the code that runs the Internet was created by college dropouts and hobbyists. There's a place for structured education -- I learned some things by going through some online CS classes 30 years after I started programming -- but it's not necessary for academia to do it, and the supposed poor quality of it isn't the problem anyway.

I'd just scrap the program, but the next-best solution is to jack the wages up much higher than the prevailing American wage. If an employer really, truly can't find qualified people in this country, and it's something too important to outsource, then he should be willing to pay a serious premium to import specialists temporarily until Americans get trained to earn that sweet pay. That would be extremely rare, because most employers making that claim are lying.

Blogger residentMoron July 28, 2016 10:35 AM  

@29

It has absolutely nothing to do with Americans being up to scratch or not. If they're not, you have one of the most expensive tertiary educations systems in the history of mankind. If it doesn't work, burn it to the ground and start again. I can teach an average intelligence to be effective and productive in IT within a year and for almost no cost.

But there are plenty of qualified competent candidates in the USA, and there are plenty of clever but unqualified people who just need an entry level chance.

Hiring a bunch of foreigners with no loyalty to your country, no intention of developing any, and who repatriate enormous proportions of their salaries, is only going to make that situation worse.

Blogger Chiva July 28, 2016 10:35 AM  

"I'm not in tech and do not know if American workers are up to snuff in that area."

The majority of American workers ARE up to snuff. Even the majority of the new grads measure up against the H-1B invaders. The single biggest advantage the H-1B invaders have is salary. With Donald Trump's plan that advantage is removed.

Where I work many of the H-1B employees eat in the break room as a group. I don't understand their conversations since they speak their native language, but in the last few months I have heard Trump's name come up more and more frequently. The H-1B invaders are concerned.

I have hope.

Blogger Diego Del Sol July 28, 2016 10:40 AM  

@23
Not familiar with O1 visa, but if that's the case so be it. Works for me.

@16 $80-100 doesn't seem sufficient to me as that's too close to market rate in many areas. H1Bs would still be preferred at market rates because the companies still have the leverage of deportation if that person won't work 80-100 hours a week for that money. Having companies pay 40% percent over market rate would seem to have some teeth.

Blogger praetorian July 28, 2016 10:41 AM  

Our gay wedding cake gender neutral bathroom values don't stop at the Rio Grande, goy.

Alt-right: Standing athwart "conservatism" yelling "CUCK!"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2016 10:42 AM  

B.J. wrote:Not saying H1-B isn't exploitative in its own way but I don't think the program would be where it is if America was really turning out the best and the brightest. As soon as anyone suggests that schools tighten their standards and be more diligent in who they graduate you get called a racist. Besides, H1-B solves the problem now while fixing American schools could take decades.
Fuck you, you fucking liar. This is just a variation on "no American can do the work.

Hell, college is not even a requirement for a coding job, if we're honest. A CS degree is a shortcut HR departments use to exclude as many potential applicants as quickly as possible.

Adding additional requirements is useless and will be circumvented, just like the requirements we have now.

The plain fact is, these people are hired because they're cheaper. A simple doubling of the payroll tax on H1B hires would come close to repairing the damage, while extracting cash from the bastards who are destroying the tech industry. An increase to 150% of the going rate would finish the kill.

"Really Microsoft? You can't find ANYONE in this country who can do entry-level coding work? Cool, you can bring in Hindi, just pay them $200K per year and $35K to Uncle Sam. Thanks."
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It would kill the program in a month.

Blogger Sevron July 28, 2016 10:47 AM  

It's another facet of "America First". Why hasn't every politician in my lifetime had that attitude? When do we get to round up and hang/gas/oven every traitor who put somebody else above us?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2016 10:49 AM  

Chiva, I have hope too. A year or so ago, a guy who works at a local Internet provider was telling me how they had to outsource some of their support because they just couldn't find Americans to do it. He knew all the standard lines about how Americans aren't learning the right things, don't work hard enough, etc.

A couple weeks ago, the same guy was telling me how much outsourcing fails -- they can't do anything without instructions so detailed you might as well do it yourself, you're constantly fixing their mistakes, you can't understand them, etc. His company just hired several local Americans to do their support -- whaddya know, they found some after all!

Blogger Josh July 28, 2016 10:55 AM  

Ron Unz has one of the better h1b proposals I've seen:

http://www.unz.com/runz/solving-silicon-valleys-immigration-problem/

Anonymous Satan's Hamster July 28, 2016 11:02 AM  

One of the big problems with the H1B, even if it worked as advertised, would be the level of nepotism among employees from certain countries. I've seen many US IT workers complain that they got one Indian manager in their company, and pretty soon all the Americans who worked for them were gone, and the entire department was full of the manager's friends and relatives shipped in from India.

Pretty much any time I see an article about some big-shot at Microsoft these days, they seem to be Indian. I'm not at all surprised that it coincides with the company's rapid decline over the last few years, or the tactics they've been using to push people onto Windows Spyware.

So H1B is not just bad for American workers, it's really bad for American companies.

Blogger Alexander July 28, 2016 11:09 AM  

True fact: Even discounting the negros, amigos, and other assorted left-of-the-bellcurve invaders, that leaves about a quarter of a billion people in the United States.

Unless the job you need doing requires a specific individual, Einstein-level stuff, then the argument that there's no native willing and able to do the job is absurd.

And certainly somebody with enough general knowledge in the field to be trained up to speed within six months.

Visas for foreign workers should be extremely specific and difficult to acquire. They should focus on industries that America needs a jump-start in*, not bringing in run-of-the-mill workers to established professions. That's ridiculous.




* And by this, I of course don't mean, "herpy derp we're number three need to be number two flood the nation with 50,000 indians." I'm taking the sort of jump-start that realistically comes with new, necessary technology that catches us completely in the hole. A once, maybe twice-in-a-lifetime event. "Commandeer the German rocketry program scientists and call them all Americans" scenarios.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 28, 2016 11:10 AM  

@26

I call "bullshit" in no small part because skilled, talented domestic workers routinely are passed over for cheaper foreigners. In fact, a more qualified American who can demand a commensurate salary is a ripe candidate to be passed over for an H1B visa worker.

Snidely is right. This is just a variation on "jobs Americans won't do," which translates into "jobs Americans won't do as cheaply." The entire program needs to be scuttled.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2016 11:10 AM  

Josh wrote:Ron Unz has one of the better h1b proposals I've seen:

Oh Lordy, another "market-based" reform of a bad system.
What will happen under the proposed system is that the pressure on congress to double, triple, quintuple H1B visas will increase. H1B quotas are set on an annual basisLittle Marco already has a proposal in the works.

Kill the incentive. Make it substantially more expensive to hire H1Bs. 150% of the federal pay scale for the job plus double the employer-side payroll taxes.
Then if Apple wants to hire some super-genius from China, more power to them. But Cognos, Infosys, etc can burn to the ground, their CEOs jailed and their stockholders raped.

OpenID frankluke July 28, 2016 11:11 AM  

I still hear people saying how stupid Trump is. Fools.

I still hear people saying that Trump is in it to give the election to Hillary. I just shake my head and go on.

Blogger Shimshon July 28, 2016 11:14 AM  

@39 Cail, that's been my experience many times. You most certainly get what you pay for. I can imagine the idiocy these Disney (and other company) workers must be dealing with training their replacements. At the same time, Disney management is certainly salivating at the prospect of padding their bonuses with the millions they save by paying these guys, when they return to India, something like 1/10 the previous workers.

I do have one friend who has a small team in India work on his site. But he pays them $40 per hour, and they sound worth every penny. He says they're ex-Googlers, which even in India probably has some pricing power.

Blogger lowercaseb July 28, 2016 11:21 AM  

Leo Little Book in Shenzhen wrote:Student in Blue wrote:Where'd this rhetorical zinger come from?

Me, thanks.


Phenomenal work!

Blogger J Melcher July 28, 2016 11:22 AM  

the quote from Milo "make sure visas are going to people who want to become American, stay American, and make America great" seems to imply that in the world beyond America there may be people who are not Saxons, who buy into "the proposition", and choose to come live upon the "magic dirt" enclosed by the currently defined borders.

Just sayin'

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 28, 2016 11:25 AM  

The single biggest advantage the H-1B invaders have is salary.

Yeah, I remember seeing adverts in tech trades back just before 2001 for positions where the salary rate offered was 60% to 70% of the then-going. It was obviously "Well, we advertise and we just can't find Amurricans to do the job. Sigh. We'll just have to get some more H1b's. Gosh!"

It's like hiring illegals to pick onions, only government approved. Cost is socialized, profit is private.

Then there is the "tied" aspect of the agreement. H1B's are tied to the company that hires them quite a bit more than the average American employee. They can't just move to the next job when they want. That in turn means they really need to curry favor with whoever hired them.

So let's review: Microsoft hires Patel to be an entry level coder for a lower rate than a graduate of Generic State U would cost, and knows that Patel cannot job hop in a couple of years at all.

It isn't quite indenture, but it's in that general direction. What's for Microsoft not to like?

Blogger VD July 28, 2016 11:25 AM  

I've seen many US IT workers complain that they got one Indian manager in their company, and pretty soon all the Americans who worked for them were gone, and the entire department was full of the manager's friends and relatives shipped in from India.

And yet they can't figure out why the media, including the conservative media, is dominated by Jews.

The fact is that most ethnic groups behave exactly the same way wherever they are a minority. The only difference is what beachheads their leading elements are able to establish.

Anonymous Susan July 28, 2016 11:25 AM  

If by America's proud tradition of stealing, Milo is talking about how we used to give great opportunities for great minds to flourish and fly free, then sure. But if he isn't, then I disagree with his language here.

If foreigners like Einstein and Ahnold see the possibilities, and they are willing to embrace all that it means to BE American, then I don't believe we "stole" them from other countries. If those countries were too stupid to empower their own people, that is on them, not us.

Either junk this program entirely, or tighten all the employer rules so they cannot use it as their fake version of amnesty. @44 hits on what Cruz wanted to do, serious expansion of this program. One reason why he bombed.

Blogger lowercaseb July 28, 2016 11:28 AM  

Gaiseric wrote:You spend half of your time while interfacing with him trying to bridge cultural gaps so he actually does what you want him to, then his vaunted attention to detail turns out to be oversold anyway and you have to correct half of what he's done.

Ow. Right in the work-balls. That is what I am doing RIGHT AT THIS SECOND. One eye on this blog and one eye correcting idiotic errors that someone with half-a-brain could have caught if they weren't from a Mumbai slum.

I pray for the day when America "does the needful" and closes the H1b program.

Blogger professorastro July 28, 2016 11:28 AM  

I honestly heard Glenn Beck call Trump a eugenicist because he employs the "thoroughbred method" when selecting a wife. This was during a conversation about Margaret Sanger. I guess a rich guy marrying a hot wife is now Hitler.

Blogger praetorian July 28, 2016 11:29 AM  

Ron Unz has one of the better h1b proposals I've seen

Just eliminate it and add a no strings attached fast track citizenship path for gifted individuals of good character.

I'm in Silicon Valley. Of course H1Bs are used mainly to wage-cuck low and mid-tier IT positions, but even the "gifted" H1Bs are almost entirely wasted. Who gives a shit if Facebook's propaganda filter algorithm is 2% more efficient, or if iTunes is 5% more incomprehensible?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2016 11:34 AM  

praetorian wrote:even the "gifted" H1Bs are almost entirely wasted. Who gives a shit if Facebook's propaganda filter algorithm is 2% more efficient, or if iTunes is 5% more incomprehensible?

In my experience, it has a lot more to do with being impressed by the dancing monkey than with actual genius. They fail completely to notice the very smart people they already have, but a foreigner of >120IQ stands out.

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Blogger praetorian July 28, 2016 11:35 AM  

An astounding number of Computer Science degrees are awarded each year to people with no functional programming ability. Lots of people fumble through the classes with a combination of plagiarism, relying on other students to complete group projects, and outright cheating.

Implying the bindis and zips don't lie and cheat even more. I TA'd in Stanford CS: I saw it first hand.

I'll take code written by europeans any day, thanks.

Blogger lowercaseb July 28, 2016 11:36 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Wiley Coyote is the perfect avatar for conservatives: you know he's always going to lose.

...and he keeps the Military/Industrial wing of the ACME Corporation in business.

Blogger praetorian July 28, 2016 11:37 AM  

They fail completely to notice the very smart people they already have, but a foreigner of >120IQ stands out.

The dancing bindi doesn't talk back, doesn't say no and doesn't ask for raises.

Middle management loves that.

Blogger Diego Del Sol July 28, 2016 11:41 AM  

@40 How does that proposal protect American workers from collusion among the big tech companies to price-fix what they'll each "bid" for the visas? We already know they've done it when hiring American workers (i.e. Apple HR and Google HR talking to each other about applicants).

Nope. Just kill the whole thing.

@41 I've seen many US IT workers complain that they got one Indian manager in their company, and pretty soon all the Americans who worked for them were gone, and the entire department was full of the manager's friends and relatives shipped in from India.

On. The. Nose.

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 28, 2016 11:45 AM  

Naploeon 12pdr wrote:Important career note for IT people: Get onto programs that require a security clearance.

Caveat: Make sure that any programs you find conduct a single-scope background investigation (SSBI) to be granted access (DoD TS/DoE Q). It's the highest scrutiny, but your information is more up to date, plus you have the ability, based on the sponsor and the work, to be cleared for SCI and to be set up with a counterintelligence (CI) or full scope/lifestyle polygraph.

The service intel (2) shops as well as the IC are always looking for folks, and they and their contractors will pay top dollar for someone with just the base access to SCI, they're that desperate for people.

Of course, the flip side is just because you have the access doesn't necessarily mean you can do the work...

Anonymous BGKB July 28, 2016 11:52 AM  

I think H1-Bs should have a min wage of the top 20% of the field so you are only getting the best and hiring the equivalent of travel temps.

Ah, nice catch, Eduardo. Our two favorite Blondies! All hail the Trumpening!

(((Oy vey looks like everyone cast as a villian in an after school special- Billy Maher)))

you'd have to show you've interviewed 100 Americans and none of them could do the job.

Do you really want people going on interviews that they will not have a chance at the job? They already play games with the current system advertising in small papers far away.

And how did the bindis get so wired in to the Subway franchise business?

Loans and grants(doesn't have to be paid back) better than citizens can get. The Boston marathon moslems got a grant to help buy a car.

Anonymous BGKB July 28, 2016 11:56 AM  

Actually was this cartoon made before HilLIARy made her satellite projection pre recorded speech so that she didn't risk having another seizure?

Blogger dc.sunsets July 28, 2016 12:00 PM  

Cheap coding is already offshored as I understand it. That work doesn’t require a visa at all.

People who aim for a career in programming will still compete with the world's coders; the key is to be employed to decide what outputs are required and how to structure the program, not just do the grunt work.

The guy who oversees the building of bridges should know about all the skilled work that goes into it, but he farms that out to specialists who, in this case, are available quite cheap.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 28, 2016 12:02 PM  

IQ in India is stratified IIRC. The upper castes are nearly East Asian level (but still less bright than the average US Episcopalian.)

Blogger dc.sunsets July 28, 2016 12:11 PM  

From high wage to low wage, anyone ever using the "jobs Americans won't do" phrase should be bitch-slapped bloody.

Americans may not line up to do those jobs at the pittance paid to foreigners, but that's nothing more than rigging the system to flood supply.

Work visas are just another way to disguise the Fed's OUTRAGEOUS monetary inflation of the last two decades, by keeping wages in the dirt.

We've been robbed blind by the economic policies of every clown since Reagan.

Trump 2016, and Dump the Incumbents in 2018. It's long past time to clean out the DC cesspool.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 12:14 PM  

> Not everybody likes Common Lisp.

I C what you did there. R you trying to be funny, or is this some Scheme to hijack the thread?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx July 28, 2016 12:17 PM  

Leo Little Book in Shenzhen wrote:"Bouncing athwart Progress and gasping 'No!'."

and No! means No!

Anonymous GreyS July 28, 2016 12:21 PM  

The fact is that most ethnic groups behave exactly the same way wherever they are a minority. The only difference is what beachheads their leading elements are able to establish.

As you would say, Can Confirm.

Whether it's Filipinos at a USPS facility, hotel, or U.S. base contractor business; Mexicans in landscaping companies or any business in SoCal; Indians in any business anywhere-- they hire only their own. In media companies and entertainment, Jews will hire goyim only if the gig is sufficiently beneath them (company level-wise) so as not to be a threat to their job security, otherwise they'd rather hire a kid fresh out of (((Rutgers))) or (((NYU))).

Whites are the only ones who hire for "diversity" and the only ones who dream of a company photo of equal parts bland caucasian male, smiling black guy with cool hair, nerd-preppy black girl with glasses, kinda-hot-but-don't-say-it-out-loud Indian woman, sturdy Mexican man, kind and understanding gay man, and the rest chubby white females.

Anonymous GreyS July 28, 2016 12:23 PM  

The difference is material

Heh- And materiel.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 28, 2016 12:24 PM  

The fact is that most ethnic groups behave exactly the same way wherever they are a minority. The only difference is what beachheads their leading elements are able to establish.

Every ethnic group except, it seems, Northern Europeans & the Anglo sphere.

This is what we have to grasp. Our openness with each other is only a strength with others of our culture & civilization.

From China to Israel, and Africa to Bosnia, that openness is a weakness they exploit. Nepotism & their low-trust culture are conjoined.

Other peoples are Not Like Us. Embrace it. LIVE it.

[I just returned from a vacation in Yellowstone National Park and it's self evident that the foreign tourists who overran the park see Americans as easily exploited chumps.]

Blogger Were-Puppy July 28, 2016 12:24 PM  

@34 Chiva
Where I work many of the H-1B employees eat in the break room as a group. I don't understand their conversations since they speak their native language,
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Here's how you troll them. When they are doing that, walk up with a look of concern, and say "ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ME???" and their reactions will be hilarious, trust me

Anonymous Jack Amok July 28, 2016 12:29 PM  

What is the minimum floor he's talking about? $150,000 seems like a good number

Nah, just eliminate H-1B altogether. O, P, L and E categories are sufficient (O and P for athletes and performers, L for established managers from an overseas branch, E for people with a significant ownership stake in the company). Consider reviving H-1B when the unemployment rate is under 3%.

The plain fact is, these people are hired because they're cheaper.

Not just cheaper, but also indentured. Hard to jump ship to a competitor on an H-1B. Another dirty secret in the IT world is that you usually have to change companies to get a decent raise.

Pretty much any time I see an article about some big-shot at Microsoft these days...

Yep. It was a slow infection at first, limited mostly to the networking group, but it eventually metastasized. I know a few decent folks still at the company, but the decision makers are fubarred and the place is going to auger into the ground sometime in the next ten years. As a resident of the Puget Sound area, that won't be great for my real estate portfolio, but I really don't see any way it doesn't happen.

The real question is, what replaces Windows? Ubuntu on the server side, Android on the client side? Seems to be the trend at the moment.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 28, 2016 12:29 PM  

How many citizens have even heard/read the wotd interpostion, much less know what it means?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 28, 2016 12:30 PM  

@41 Satan's Hamster

One of the big problems with the H1B, even if it worked as advertised, would be the level of nepotism among employees from certain countries. I've seen many US IT workers complain that they got one Indian manager in their company, and pretty soon all the Americans who worked for them were gone, and the entire department was full of the manager's friends and relatives shipped in from India.
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This is a huge deal. I've seen it a couple times myself. I've watched the weasel Indian "account manager" work management sometimes over 2 or 3 years before they get an entire office replaced with cheap Indians.

All it takes is a dumb manager or exec who only sees 1 quarter ahead. OMG the stock tanked this last quarter, whats a quick way to save a bunch of money? Then that Indian AM weasel is right there ready to replace that office, and it's a done deal.

IMO, H1B should be shut down completely. Not for 5 year. Forever. There are 100 million out of work here, and a lot of them are IT. If a company can't do it's work with Americans, in America, maybe they need to fail and let some new things rise in their place.

Anonymous Bukulu July 28, 2016 12:36 PM  

@66:

Perls of wisdom from James. Tune in later for the SQL.

Anonymous BGKB July 28, 2016 12:40 PM  

of concern, and say "ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ME???" and their reactions will be hilarious, trust me

Find out how to say handsome and "Bigus Dickus" in their language then ask a group what those words mean because you heard people saying it about you.

OpenID aew51183 July 28, 2016 1:05 PM  

As a side-note, reddit has very conspicuously attached a vote deduction algorithm to the_donald AMA.

Screenshots show it reaching tens of thousands of votes before being straight-up score-deducted on the back-end, currently back down below 2k (if it were brigading, the % up vs down would have changed)

"What should be the largest Reddit thread in their history is on page 5 for today. Comments are being deleted and up votes removed. Reddit seems to be in for manipulating free speech"

"mm. Only 6538 upvotes now, care to comment, /u/spez?"

"Holy shit that brigading 14k down to only 5k"
--(reply)-->"Yet the percentage hasn't moved. More like they are reducing the overall score"

Blogger Shimshon July 28, 2016 1:17 PM  

@77 I wonder if Reddit will show up in DNC emails? It is astonishing the extent to which SJWs converge their companies. These companies are unbelievably ripe if executed well. I am looking forward to all these announcements Vox has mentioned.

Anonymous Migrant from AmRen July 28, 2016 1:38 PM  

I'm from Silicon Valley and my husband writes code. At least in the companies he is familiar with the HB1 visa holders make the same amount as Americans do: $125,000+ They are often hired not for economic reasons but ethnic networking reasons: Chinese hire Chinese, Indians hire Indians, etc. They are often distant kin or at least from the same region and more exact ethnic group.

Also they often do not leave to return to their home countries. They often mean to make a bunch of money and go home, but then they have kids and/or get used to things here and stay forever. Kids let you do this as do immigration lawyers.

Blogger Gaiseric July 28, 2016 1:38 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:IQ in India is stratified IIRC. The upper castes are nearly East Asian level (but still less bright than the average US Episcopalian.)
I'm not surprised by that. But the ones that get H1 visas, even if they're a full SD above the Indian norm, are just at average for America. With their blue light special "degrees" and cultural disconnect, they're not exactly impressive as employees. I've had to work with them much more than I'd like, and I'm not impressed.

I suspect that the higher caste Indians don't have any particular incentive to leave India in large numbers. They're already high caste after all.

I'm still curious how well the R1a1 haplogroup tracks to the Brahmin caste; I've seen papers that contradict each other on the issue. Prior to the arrival of that kind of genetic research, however, it was widely believed that the higher caste Aryans were invading foreigners just prior to written history in the area who superimposed themselves on lower caste Dasyans, bringing with them essentially proto-European genes.

Blogger Chiva July 28, 2016 2:01 PM  

@71. I like your thinking.
I'll have to be wearing a "Make America Great" t-shirt when I do it.

Blogger cheddarman July 28, 2016 2:03 PM  

How can anone on this blog argue we need to admit more Indians or Chinese? Why dont we just dispense with the half measures and give them the effing country and be thier slaves?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2016 2:22 PM  

cheddarman wrote:How can anone on this blog argue we need to admit more Indians or Chinese?
Because they don't live with it. It's all very abstract if you're not in the IT, sandwich or hotel business. They have hobbyhorses (Edumacation!, Assimilation!) that explain everything, so the present cas is always just another example of (how bad Univerities are, why we need to make the assimilate).

Basically, they think it's a problem with how things are done, and if we just fix (Universities, immigration law) that we don't have to make any painful choices.

Basically it's hope, expressed as pathology.

Blogger Markku July 28, 2016 2:38 PM  

When it becomes evident to all who the strong horse is, and every cuckservative in entire Cuckservatistan claims to always have been Alt-Right, we need to have these things on written record.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 2:46 PM  

> Every ethnic group except, it seems, Northern Europeans & the Anglo sphere.

Well, you see, it's illegal when we do it.

Blogger Karl July 28, 2016 2:51 PM  

Trump's H1B prevailing wage reform reminds me of a proposal I've been suggesting for a few years now:

Resident aliens -- immigrants with proper documentation -- are subject to a minimum wage set 50% higher than the minimum wage for US citizens in the same jurisdiction.

Undocumented workers are subject to a minimum wage set 100% higher than the minimum wage for US citizens in the same jurisdiction.

Blogger John S July 28, 2016 2:53 PM  

To be fair, half the American STEM grads probably don't deserve their credentials. An astounding number of Computer Science degrees are awarded each year to people with no functional programming ability. Lots of people fumble through the classes with a combination of plagiarism, relying on other students to complete group projects, and outright cheating. - (((tiny))) B.J.

I guess you get tinyTim types that like ordering around docile little brown people in all industries, huh?

And about that cheating thing...

Blogger VFM #7634 July 28, 2016 2:55 PM  

All I'll say is: Willy F. Coyote.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 28, 2016 2:59 PM  

I guess you get tinyTim types that like ordering around docile little brown people in all industries, huh?

And about that cheating thing...


@87 John S
It's an ironclad rule that liberals and cucks police white men ruthlessly for poor or substandard behavior, then let brown people and women get away with murder. Anarcho-tyranny.

Maybe we should call it the Sam Francis Rule.

Anonymous Rolf July 28, 2016 3:01 PM  

@72 - yup. I know a lot more ex-microsofties than current ones. My neighbor just jumped ship after ~20 years at MSFT in Redmond to Amazon. He's just the latest of many.

Most of those I know who left did so because of management (and HR) getting so screwed up. I used to work there, too. But now they've screwed up their programs so badly that my next machine will likely be a homebrew Linux box.

Would be nice to meet a few more Ilk in the area - doing anything this summer, Jack? Drop me a line if you'd like.

Blogger kurt9 July 28, 2016 3:17 PM  

I am going to return the government to the people.

Together, we will Make America Great Again.


You know, Trump is actually sounding very Reagan-like these days.

Blogger kurt9 July 28, 2016 3:17 PM  

This is worth reading:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/15/trump-ism-and-reagan-ism/

Anonymous SciVo July 28, 2016 3:27 PM  

Leo Little Book in Shenzhen wrote:"Bouncing athwart Progress and gasping 'No!'."

"No! Don't! Stop!"

Blogger residentMoron July 28, 2016 3:41 PM  

"Well, you see, it's illegal when we do it."

That is a great sequel. Loving your work.

Anonymous McDuQuesne July 28, 2016 3:41 PM  

H1b visa's are serving to extend the sexist lack of diversity in STEM. Until parity is reached in male and female employment in STEM jobs at a company all male visas need to be revoked and only females allowed until equality is reached.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2016 3:51 PM  

My CArd...

Anonymous SciVo July 28, 2016 4:22 PM  

Turner Ashby wrote:Requiring that jobs be offered to American workers first won't help much unless there are strict rules about how the jobs are offered to American workers. I've read about cases in which the jobs were only advertised in small ads in newspapers hundreds of miles away from the work location, no relocation offered.

If the executive and judiciary are amenable, then there is no need to make common sense explicit; and if they're hostile, then a law could be as semantically perfect as a C compiler and still be subverted, since humans aren't computers.

Anonymous balrog666 July 28, 2016 4:37 PM  

If you want to hire US citizens, you first have to hire the requisite number of Afro-Americans, Gyno-Americans, LGTBQYZD-Americans, Disabled-Americans, and so on before you can ever reach down to those few Competent-Americans and that is one hell of an overhead burden! H1-B's just bypass all that bullshit.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 28, 2016 4:42 PM  

It's not just the system that's broken. When I worked at a nursing home the HR lady replaced all of the white workers with Liberians in the span of six months.

Still, fix the system. It would be a great start.

Anonymous GreyS July 28, 2016 4:49 PM  

Because they don't live with it.

It's all about direct experience. For literally decades we in SoCal would complain about illegals ruining our homeland and the nation turned a deaf ear. As the illegals and the problems spread around the country more people would understand. The Republicans sold us out time and time again and Repub rank-and-file from around the country would look at us as traitors for bagging on the GOP.

Many of today's Alt-Right folks were those same Repubs back then who have finally had their own homelands ruined.

Blogger Farnarkel of OZ July 28, 2016 4:58 PM  

Karl #86 ; I do like the cut of your jib sir

Anonymous SciVo July 28, 2016 5:49 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> Every ethnic group except, it seems, Northern Europeans & the Anglo sphere.

Well, you see, it's illegal when we do it.


I love it whenever some overpaid, undersmart dot-Indian spouts off about how we deserve to lose out, because we obviously can't handle a "level playing field."

And by "love it" I mean "fight down a powerful urge to go on a stabbing rampage."

Anonymous Instasetting July 28, 2016 5:58 PM  

A lot of the anti-conservative comments are motivated by jealousy of their great power, and a desire to turn them into a horse to be ridden by their supposed moral betters. After a while, a lot of it starts to sound pathetic and needy.

But this cartoon is good.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 28, 2016 6:02 PM  

See the dot, save a lot

Anonymous BGKB July 28, 2016 6:03 PM  

undersmart dot-Indian spouts off about how we deserve to lose out, because we obviously can't handle a "level playing field."

They consider a level playing field one where everyone cheats

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2016 6:09 PM  

why did you stand athwart history yelling fire?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSmqYSVVpTM

Blogger Kona Commuter July 28, 2016 8:39 PM  

@ #1

Just quickly Australia let's in plenty of people come in on skilled visa's (457 visas)

Skills shortage in Australia includes hairdressing. When the mining boom was in full swing lots of Aussies were clambering for the high paying jobs in the mines but the mines looked overseas for "experienced" employees (including working as support in lunch rooms and the like).

Another example is I saw some boat builder crying that he couldn't find any Aussie willing to work for him even though he was paying $300 a week over the award because we are lazy. So I looked up the award and I looked up what the open market pays and $300 above the award didn't even come close.

Like the rest of the Western world we experienced a large housing bubble on the back of the credit bubble. All of a sudden tradesman of every ilk were in high demand. Instead of training apprentices businesses cried out for more migrants.

Then there is nursing. There is a "shortage" of qualified nurses the health care managers tell us. Yes there is a shortage right up until a qualified nurse applies for work. All of a sudden there no longer is a shortage. The skilled migrants are used to depress wages. I know someone who called the state department about the lack of positions saying "What about the nursing shortage?" and the response? "Who told you there is a shortage of nurses? We have all the nurses we need".

My last employer (a factory) loved to be multicultural (right up until you get to supervisor level then it's all white Aussies & kiwis thank you). The rank and file are from all four corners of the earth. Try and negotiate a decent wicket when all your co-workers have zero clues about their rights and refuse to speak up. Both the management and workers are happy as Larry doing their jobs poorly just as long as they stay quiet and make the right noises at the right time

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2016 8:54 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:why did you stand athwart history yelling fire?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSmqYSVVpTM


Because properly trained artillery won't start dropping shells until you do.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 28, 2016 9:02 PM  

@8

"For some reason our government in particular does a poor job of representing its citizens."

That's because lately, it our government only represents its (((citizens)).

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2016 9:08 PM  

A few days ago, sports radio guy Steve Czaban was talking about a landscaping bid that he thought was too high. In estimating what he thought it should be, he figured $20/hour/man for labor. A landscaper soon called him up and explained that he was nuts, that the labor charge would be more like $55/hour/man, which meant his bid was about right. The landscaper explained that the laborer himself would cost $20, on top of which you have to add all the costs of employing him.

He wasn't begging for illegals or anything, but it struck me that someone who's an independent contractor of sorts himself could have such a skewed idea of how labor costs add up. Then his co-host mentioned that his daughter is an attorney and he didn't think she charged as much as $55/hour. Again, that's a couple decades out of date, at least. They're in D.C., so if his daughter practices there, she probably charges double that. Here in a small Midwest town they charge more than that.

With people having such low ideas of what labor "should" cost, it's no wonder it's so easy to sucker them with the "Well, we just can't get Americans to do the work for any reasonable price" excuse.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 28, 2016 9:27 PM  

@26

"Besides, H1-B solves the problem now while fixing American schools could take decades."

No, H1-B really does NOT solve a businessman's problems. All of the worthwhile Indians (dot) were fished out a long time ago. What's left is a massive, barely educated horde that literally rioted when there was a debate that the standards be raised for the final exams for graduating seniors (apparently, the profs don't give their own final exams, they are issued by the government).

Having worked with several H1-Bs, they are generally worse than leaving the position unfilled -- because having to comb ALL of their work for mistakes means that 1) I have to do the work myself just to know what the correct results are, and then 2) spend the time to compare my results with theirs.

The Indians are good at math... but it pretty much stops there. When it comes to problem solving, you usually have to drag them through as if they are a 10-year old child who has never even ventured near a college campus.

Oh, the Indians are ALSO good at cronyism, nepotism, and stalling and delaying discovery that they are nowhere close to meeting any "landmarks" on the schedule -- due to the fact that if something isn't working, they refuse to tell their superiors that, say, a function's argument list needs to be amended to do everything envisioned in the grand design -- instead, they'll just wait, and wait, and wait, saying that everything is just fine, until someone personally demands hard copies of the code thus-far-written.

Also, anything on a computer, they tend to do almost exclusively by "cut and paste" from example code.

There's a reason why H1-B written code tends to look like this:

NAME *pName;

rather than:

NAME *pEmployees; /* Company Roster */

The 1st line of example code is almost, but not completely, useless. The 2nd line of example code explains not only what the declared variable will be used for, and therefore, why it even exists.

Blogger Kona Commuter July 28, 2016 9:31 PM  

@ #111


My father was in a senior management role for 20+ years (not including 20+ years in the Australian Army). He told me that a good rule of thumb about the cost of employing someone (taxes, insurance, holidays, sick leave & providing infrastructure) is to get to double their salary.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 28, 2016 11:30 PM  

@38

"It's another facet of "America First". Why hasn't every politician in my lifetime had that attitude? When do we get to round up and hang/gas/oven every traitor who put somebody else above us?"


Start with the senior levels of Walmart. When Sam Walton ran the company, he was proud that every product in his stores that could be produced in this country WAS produced in this country.

I worked at Kmart headquarters in the late 1990's -- at a site-wide meeting, it was revealed to us, that recent management hires who had come from Walmart reported that Walmart management had told EVERY SINGLE MANUFACTURER that sells to Walmart that they *must* move their manufacturing operations to China, or Walmart would quit buying from those who refused to comply with this demand.

Walmart Headquarters is ground-zero for the relocation of America's factories to China.

Save America -- kill George Soros.
Restore America -- Wipe out Walmart's senior management.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 29, 2016 12:58 AM  

A reasonable import tariff would probably wipe out WalMart by itself.  Having burned its bridges with American suppliers, making the crap from its cheap Chinese suppliers as costly as American goods at lower quality would leave the company with nothing.  Americans wouldn't want to sell to them.

Anonymous LastRedoubt July 29, 2016 5:20 PM  

@ Cail Corishev

Chiva, I have hope too. A year or so ago, a guy who works at a local Internet provider was telling me how they had to outsource some of their support because they just couldn't find Americans to do it. He knew all the standard lines about how Americans aren't learning the right things, don't work hard enough, etc.

A couple weeks ago, the same guy was telling me how much outsourcing fails -- they can't do anything without instructions so detailed you might as well do it yourself, you're constantly fixing their mistakes, you can't understand them, etc. His company just hired several local Americans to do their support -- whaddya know, they found some after all!



Reminds me of why Dell brought their small business and enterprise support phone services back onshore to the US. Among them inability to follow anything but a script, or, since people calling in on servers were local IT support who'd done the obvious stuff, knew where to enter the script based on what had already been tried.

That said it helps if the caller is also willing to go - "hadn't tried that, hadn't thought it was relevant" - adn trying it - before insisting on moving on.

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