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Wednesday, July 20, 2016

Chinese buy Opera

This should shake things up in the browser world, to say the least:
After a $1.2 billion deal fell through, Opera has sold most of itself to a Chinese consortium for $600 million. The buyers, led by search and security firm Qihoo 360, are purchasing Opera's browser business, its privacy and performance apps, its tech licensing and, most importantly, its name. The Norwegian company will keep its consumer division, including Opera Apps & Games and Opera TV. The consumer arm has 560 workers, but the company hasn't said what will happen to its other 1,109 employees.

The original deal, announced in February, reportedly failed to gain regulatory approval. While expressing disappointment that it was scrapped, Opera CEO Lars Boilesen says "we believe that the new deal is very good for Opera employees and Opera shareholders." The acquisition was approved by Opera's board, and the company now has 18 months to find a new name, according to Techcrunch.
That's great news for Brendan Eich and Brave, which is already the best browser out there. I still use Pale Moon for a few things, but 85 percent of my work is now done on Brave.

Anyhow, I would not advise using Opera or OperaMail anymore. It's bad enough to share things with the US government through Google and Microsoft, but this is a whole new can of worms.

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53 Comments:

Blogger mistaben July 20, 2016 7:26 PM  

That sounds like quite the...Faustian bargain.

Anonymous WaterBoy July 20, 2016 7:32 PM  

The Chinese are betting that Hillary will win and they'll have easy access to her email....

Anonymous Sensei July 20, 2016 7:39 PM  

Chinese Opera... an appropriate pun since it's best avoided too.

Blogger SDaly July 20, 2016 7:42 PM  

This gives me the incentive to get Opera off my phone. Have used Brave since it came out, and just haven't deleted Opera yet.

Blogger Teri July 20, 2016 7:42 PM  

That's too bad. I've been using Opera as the alternatives just didn't work well for me. I'm downloading Brave now. Hope it will do the trick.

Blogger lowercaseb July 20, 2016 7:45 PM  

Well, Opera is now off of my testing compatibility list.

...and my computer as well, as soon as I get home.

Blogger lowercaseb July 20, 2016 7:47 PM  

Teri wrote:That's too bad. I've been using Opera as the alternatives just didn't work well for me. I'm downloading Brave now. Hope it will do the trick.

Brave can be finicky, but stick with it. The features are worth the occasional frustrations.

Blogger Tom M July 20, 2016 7:49 PM  

I have an Dell Inspirion (30 GB HDD w/Win 10) so I must put almost all apps on an external HDD (EHDD). Which is why I use Opera. When Brave allows me to install it on the EHDD I will use that browser. So it looks like I'll have to use Firefox again until that day. Unless someone knows of a browser other than Firefox that I can install on an EHDD.

Anonymous Icicle July 20, 2016 7:51 PM  

The acquisition was approved by Opera's board, and the company now has 18 months to find a new name, according to Techcrunch.

How about MAOpera?

Blogger Rusty Fife July 20, 2016 7:52 PM  

Sensei wrote:Chinese Opera... an appropriate pun since it's best avoided too.

Spoiler alert: everyone dies at the end.

Anonymous Quartermaster July 20, 2016 7:53 PM  

I had not heard this was in the works. I was going to give Opera a try, but I agree, strongly, that using Opera is probably foolish now. I'll give Brave a try instead. Pale Moon seems buggy and locks up regularly on me.

Blogger SteelPalm July 20, 2016 7:54 PM  

Deleted this from my computer as soon as I came across this story, without even needing to read Vox's recommendation.

Blogger CJ July 20, 2016 8:00 PM  

I loved Opera up until version 12.16 because it was so easy to do quick-and-dirty HTML coding with it. You just right-clicked and Source was there. The Speed Dial feature was also ridiculously easy. I'm not sure why they dropped those features, but while they had them that was the all-time best browser for coding AFAIK.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 20, 2016 8:01 PM  

What th’…how stupid is this? The whole point of Opera originally was a light weight browser with no strings attached. Yeah, ok, that’s so 1990’s, but still.

Sure, Opera isn’t my number one browser, but it’s in my stack, although I have not done any updates for years because of the limited uses that I put it to. Now I can’t trust it.

Gah. Chrome phones home to Google, Iron hasn’t really worked out all that well, Firefox was converged with the Eich purging, Pale Moon still doesn’t have an OS X version, Sleipnir has some serious limits, Omni’s dead, Dolphin only runs on iOS or Android.

Anyone have an opinon on Dooble?

Guess it’s time to go look at the beta of Brave again.

Blogger Cinco July 20, 2016 8:10 PM  

Converted to Brave a couple months back and can't sing its praises enough. It's fast, it works for 99.9% of what I use the Internet for, and made by an ally and it does not seem to be targeted by malware, yet.

Blogger tz July 20, 2016 8:11 PM  

Brave has four serious flaws.
1. No sync - Bookmarks, passwords/formfill, etc. So even if I manually manage to get everything into Brave on one platform, it won't be available on the other - even if Brave doesn't want to do a server, when my desktop, laptop, and tablet are on the same local network they should be able to sync/unify all the things.
2. Android only has that horrible, stupid bubble browser instead of something that uses normal tabs. Why can't it be like the Windows or Linux version with a few adjustments?
3. No import for ANY version. At all. I can export as well as spindle, fold, and mutilate CSVs or other files, but I can't get my palemoon setup into Brave.
4. No extensions or "very advanced" settings. I have fewer ads and even fewer annoyances in PaleMoon. There are many problem sites but I can get around them with my extensions (or even something as simple to completely disable autoplay unless you click something).

Anonymous andon July 20, 2016 8:13 PM  

12. Blogger CJ July 20, 2016 8:00 PM
I loved Opera up until version 12.16 because it was so easy to do quick-and-dirty HTML coding with it. You just right-clicked and Source was there. The Speed Dial feature was also ridiculously easy. I'm not sure why they dropped those features, but while they had them that was the all-time best browser for coding AFAIK.


yeah, this was my favorite, v12.16 - customizable with those buttons, delete browsing history or cookies in a flash, url filter, script blocking add-ons etc. fast and portable, so light on resources compared to IE.

Anonymous BGKB July 20, 2016 8:21 PM  

are purchasing Opera's browser business, its privacy and performance apps, its tech licensing

So much for privacy.

Spoiler alert: everyone dies at the end. Madame Butterfly is actually a man.

Anonymous andon July 20, 2016 8:25 PM  

i was on some tech website a few years ago on a thread about some Chinese Anti-Virus program and a few people mentioned that they wouldn't trust any security program from China and i agreed. then someone who was half Chinese called us all xenophobes and racists, lol.

Blogger Thucydides July 20, 2016 8:28 PM  

I had looked briefly at Opera a long time ago, but am glad I never went there. Hope everyone pulls the plug before the Chinese start sinking their tentacles into your data:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/18/china-reveals-its-cyber-war-secrets.html

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 20, 2016 8:35 PM  

Deepocket Chopera

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 20, 2016 8:39 PM  

Too bad it wasn't India who bought it. Could have rebranded as Deepocket Chopera.

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 20, 2016 8:40 PM  

I wounder what our (((ancient friends))) think of this development? IIRC, the last time an ethnic group tried to horn in on their territory, we had the Armenian Genocide.

Blogger LurkingPuppy July 20, 2016 8:45 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Anyone have an opinon on Dooble?
Yet Another [Expletive] WebKit Browser. And the parts added around WebKit were crap.

Blogger Anchorman July 20, 2016 8:47 PM  

Switched to Brave for browsing and my phone.

I literally only use Pale Moon (still a good product) to post here.

Brave is awesome.

Blogger Kona Commuter July 20, 2016 8:59 PM  

Whilst we're talking about security concerns.....

I have a problem that I have never searched online for any information about. I have only ever bitched about it when explaining why I'm having trouble hearing something.

So imagine my surprise when advertisements regarding this problem appears on my Twitter feed and in those "Here's one neat trick" click bait ads on various blogs.

Late last year my wife and I played a game where we talked about cats but never ever searched online. Searching for car parts on Google and WTF? There are search results involving cats.

Bill Burr in one of his podcasts made a similar remark recently.

Blogger Kona Commuter July 20, 2016 8:59 PM  

Oh and for a laugh

Sydney primary school bans clapping in favour of 'punching the air'. http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/sydney-primary-school-bans-clapping-in-favour-of-punching-the-air/ar-BBuzLgx?ocid=spartanntp

Anonymous Garrulus July 20, 2016 9:05 PM  

Brave doesn't have auto scroll, otherwise a nice little webkit frontend. I'm still happy with mozillas stuff for now, all things considered.

Anonymous andon July 20, 2016 9:05 PM  

@ #25 - don't use google for anything

Anonymous MawBTS July 20, 2016 9:08 PM  

Does Opera still have a VPN built in? I can see why there would be demand for that in China.

Blogger Dave July 20, 2016 9:14 PM  

I'm still happy with mozillas stuff for now, all things considered.

Such as Brendan Eich?

Blogger Robert Divinity July 20, 2016 9:26 PM  

I quit using Google many years ago.

The Chinese should buy Fox. It is unwatchable. O'Reilly and the Golden Vagina talk to non-entities to get face time while interesting speeches are given on the convention floor. I've fucking been forced to watch CNN and MSNBC this year.

Blogger Rantor July 20, 2016 9:46 PM  

Just started using brave on iPad last week.m some things load and navigate much better than safari. Will try on phone soon.

Blogger James Dixon July 20, 2016 9:48 PM  

If you're an Opera user, you'll want to check out Vivaldi: https://vivaldi.com/?lang=en_US

Yes, it's webkit based, but...

Anonymous User July 20, 2016 9:50 PM  

Anyone who has read Ken Thompson's monograph Trusting Trust knows that trustworthy computer security is a practical impossibility. The whole stack must be riddled with bugs (in the surveillance sense) from the microcode on up. The technique is trivial (I did it as a teenager just to see), the incentive is huge, and the probability of being caught is near zero. From Adams's law we have to conclude it's already happened.

Blogger James Dixon July 20, 2016 9:51 PM  

> That's great news for Brendan Eich and Brave, which is already the best browser out there

My phone, which is a fairly old model at this point, simply can't handle Brave. :( It seems to work OK on Windows. I don't believe there's a 32 bit Linux version, or at least there wasn't the last time I checked.

Anonymous r July 20, 2016 10:47 PM  

This was not Opera, but Zombie Opera with the trademarks and nothing else. Vivaldi (already linked by James Dixon) is the real Opera, in that it has the original Opera devs and the original Opera philosophy. No escape from the renderer monoculture, sadly, but Presto was killed off with the real Opera anyway.

Anonymous A Visitor July 20, 2016 10:49 PM  

Damn it!!!!!! I've used Opera for years. Bring on Brave!

Blogger Matt Harris July 20, 2016 11:54 PM  

I loved Opera. Then they switched to the Chrome engine (IIRC) and the things I liked quit working.

Blogger Shimshon July 21, 2016 1:17 AM  

Opera was my full time browser from 1998 (I happily paid for it) until 2004, when I started using GMail, which didn't work under it. I reluctantly switched to the then-new Firefox. Especially in the early days, it was a great browser. It was the only one to support "tabs" (they weren't called that then) for years. It was super-lightweight.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 21, 2016 1:57 AM  

How to delete everything Google knows about you.

Anonymous Nergol July 21, 2016 2:23 AM  

Just downloaded Brave (on OS X). Imported my Chrome Bookmarks. They appear in the Bookmarks Toolbar, but I can't seem to find a way to put them in a drop-down bookmarks menu, which is important because I have way, WAY too many bookmarks to manage in a horizontal toolbar.

Halp? Please?

Anonymous Bz July 21, 2016 3:26 AM  

"Sydney primary school bans clapping in favour of 'punching the air'."

With an open hand, like a spear?

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 21, 2016 4:43 AM  

That's a shame. I liked Opera.

You might give Vivaldi a try.

Blogger Jeffrey Quick July 21, 2016 5:24 AM  

Running Brave on OS X. Not entirely happy.
1. It refuses to copy on the first try. I’ll copy an URL, try to paste it somewhere, and find that it’s the previous thing I copied. Consistently, so it’s not operator error.
2. Can’t import bookmarks to save my life.
3. I do a lot with music pdfs, and in Safari I can open them directly in the browser.

Blogger residentMoron July 21, 2016 5:59 AM  

OT:

Trump continues to talk sense in the face of globalist insanity. (Where will it end?)


See here

Blogger weka July 21, 2016 6:13 AM  

Using Vivaldi. Dumped Chromium. And did not install Opera.

On Arch (Antergos) you can get brave with "yaourt brave", assuming you have your repos up correctly.

It appears stable,

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski July 21, 2016 6:50 AM  

Damn. It's time for Vivaldi? I am so accustomed to Opera that changing the browser would be like removing part of my brain. All those reflexes...

Anonymous Darth Wheatley #2415 July 21, 2016 8:12 AM  

I still can't comment here from Brave. Any word on that bug getting fixed?

Anonymous oneofthecrowd July 21, 2016 8:37 AM  

The copy of the Art of War I read had additional notes from a retired Chinese general, discussing how to apply the lessons to modern events and conflicts. If you read between the line the take away message was of the commentary was, "we are going to rule the world, and we are confident enough of this that we do not need to hurry."
In the West we still have nuclear weapons. We weren't stupid enough to throw them away. But we have accepted unilateral disarmament of ambition.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 21, 2016 10:21 AM  

commenting doesn't work for me in brave either

Blogger VD July 21, 2016 10:56 AM  

I still can't comment here from Brave. Any word on that bug getting fixed?

I have heard, from the highest sources, that it will be fixed soon.

Blogger KSC July 21, 2016 9:14 PM  

I would love to have an alternative to Fierfox, but sadly Brave and PaleMoon both appear to be inaccessible with a screen reader. (I'm a little surprised Brave turned out that way if it was developed bby Ike originally).

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