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Tuesday, July 26, 2016

Conservatism in ruins

Andrew Klavan's first thoughts on rebuilding conservatism:
The conservative movement has collapsed and is in ruins. Its vehicle for political expression, the Republican Party, is now in the hands of an authoritarian nationalist who has never read the Constitution and does not believe in free expression, free trade or the separation of powers. Its central vehicle for expression in the news media is in disarray as Fox News becomes embroiled in scandal. Even its defenders on talk radio and in the blogosphere are severely at odds as they are forced to choose whether to defend Trump as the lesser of two evils or to stand fast with the founding fathers against both terrible sides.
The conservative movement has collapsed and lies in ruins. And it has done so due to the deceit and dishonesty of conservative commentators like Andrew Klavan, who apparently feel the need to make provably false statements about everyone from Donald Trump to the Founding Fathers.

Let's look at the three false statements in this one diagnostic paragraph alone:
  1. Donald Trump is not an authoritarian.
  2. Fox News has never been a central vehicle for expressing conservative views. It has, rather, pushed neoconnery as nominal conservatism while serving as a politically moderate alternative to the hard progressivism of the ABCNNBCBS cabal.
  3. The Founding Fathers believed in trade protectionism and a white America. Whether he gives a damn about the US Constitution or not, Donald Trump has as much or more in common with the Founding Fathers as the conservative movement does. The Constitution exists only to safeguard the unalienable rights of white Americans who are the posterity of the Founding Fathers, that is its sole purpose.
Now let's look at Klavan's proposal for rebuilding conservatism, which strangely enough, he provides without ever considering just why the movement is in ruins.
1. There is no substitute for victory. A political philosophy should be an outgrowth of moral values but it is not a moral value in itself. Its purpose is not to be good; its purpose is to be as good as it can be and still win power. A Christian may count it a victory when he is devoured by lions for his faith, but a conservative who is repeatedly devoured by the opposition in elections is just a self-satisfied schmuck. I am completely opposed to those — like Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam — who essentially argue  that conservatives must win by becoming watered-down liberals. But clearly, the methods by which we have been selling our philosophy to the voters have not just failed but failed utterly, and we should rethink them.
True enough, and yet Klavan observably knows so little about the history of conservatism in America that he doesn't understand that conservatives have never had a philosophy proper. He obviously hasn't read Russell Kirk, anyhow. That's why they can't sell conservatism to anyone anymore; it doesn't even exist as a coherent self-contained philosophy. Conservatives have never been much more than philosophical parasites on the Left. Klavan should read Cuckservative; if nothing else it would bring him up to speed on the intellectual inadequacies of conservatism.
2. Win what minority types we can with the truth. The opposition likes to point out that too many conservatives are white men. They're right — but only because blacks and women have been successfully sold a destructive bill of goods in leftist racialism and feminism. The facts are: black people are not oppressed by the police, women are not underpaid for the same work, white privilege is a destructive and racist myth, and true freedom means people you don't like are going to say things you disagree with in ways you find offensive. These are hard sayings but they need to be said, and they don't need to be said by conservatives to other conservatives, they need to be said by conservatives to blacks, women and sexual off-beats of all stripes. The Democrats have co-opted these people with destructive lies that make their lives worse. We can't win them back by jumping on that bandwagon. We need to proudly, unapologetically (and politely) tell it like it is — to them, in their neighborhoods and organizations. We won't win a lot of them. Not at first. But facts have a way of getting through over time — if you speak them courageously without being a jackass about it.
This is remarkable. And it's a tactic doomed to failure; conservatives like Klavan can't win anyone with the truth for the obvious reason that they don't know the truth. They religiously subscribe to the idiotic lie of the Proposition Nation and they attempt to win over minorities that will never, ever, be won over in significant percentages by the alien ideals of 18th century whites. Klavan can't explain historical anomalies that puncture his precious Ellis Island myth like the 1790 Naturalization Act, which means he can't tell it like it is because he doesn't actually know what it is.

The alternative is that he does know what it is and he is knowingly deceiving his fellow conservatives. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is merely ignorant.
3. Fight the culture wars in the culture. The culture wars are problematical because too often conservatives come across as anti-freedom or bigoted. That makes victory tough. I feel passionately about some cultural issues and indifferent to others, but I believe all of them should be fought on a cultural and informational level rather than a political one. For instance, I believe that abortion is the taking of a human life and that government therefore has a right to forbid it. But just speaking bluntly and honestly, I don't think I can win that fight in the political arena right now. Happily, the truth may do what politics cannot. The truth is on my side and the more the truth gets out about what abortion looks like, how it's done, and who the people who support it are, the more the public will know that it is unacceptable. Then we can win politically. As for sex issues, I confess I care not at all about other people's sexuality (I'm so deeply immersed in my own), but I do care very deeply about religious liberty and the freedom not to participate in what you abhor. That's a fight we can win and we should argue it everywhere as a freedom issue.
Correct concept, inept execution. Winning the culture war is NOT getting the truth out. It is rhetorically convincing others what the truth is. This is why the arts are the most vitally important battleground in the cultural war.
4. Some class occasionally would be nice. Conservatives have been all but banned from universities, the news media and show business. In response, we formed our own media in blogs, talk radio and Fox. Those are great venues for informing our own, but we could use some outreach to open-minded Democrats. I've wasted too much breath trying to convince conservatives that art is good and can change the world over time. They just won't believe me. But could we maybe agree that screaming at people and calling them evil and talking like a belligerent loudmouth know-it-all is not always the best way to bring them over to your side? No, huh. Well, it was just a thought.
For fuck's sake. He's another hapless tone policeman. This is why the Alt Right is going to win; because we don't give a quantum of a damn about "class". Someone once told me the important thing was "to win with grace and style". No, the important thing is to win, even if you have to get bloody and dirty in the process. Klavan, like a good conservative, is far more interested in going down to noble defeat and surrendering while wearing a nice clean uniform than he is with winning.
It very much looks to me right now as if Trump is going to lose this election on pure incompetence and mean spirit. That might actually make it easier for conservatives to regroup in the ruins of the Republican Party. If he wins, we may need a new party of our own. But whichever way things go, I think we need to open a discussion about how conservatives can not only remain conservative but also win elections in modern America.
Is he even watching the political conventions? This sort of wishful thinking is why no one should bother paying any attention to a cuckservative like Klavan now or in the future. Conservatism is dying. Its diseased remnants are flocking to the progressives, as we always knew they would. And we watch them go with dry eyes and a grim smile, because we don't need a bunch of useless cucks and moderates who were always happier shooting at their own side than the enemy.

I have never been a conservative. I will never be a conservative. I am delighted to see the conservative movement crumbling into dust. Conservatives conserve nothing, accomplish nothing, and stand for nothing. They will not defend the Church, they will not defend America, and they will not defend the West.

The Alt Right will. Join us, if you have the steel.

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Anonymous JAG July 26, 2016 2:23 PM  

Oh god did he cuck completely out, or what? And to think that I actually liked Klavan at first, but I'm not interested in doubling down on the usual, failed "conservative" tactics. Once again, if you can't even conserve the ladies room for actual ladies then you are a complete useless loser who does not inspire confidence in anyone. It might be different if the cuckservatives had any victories to speak of the last 30 years or so, but there are none of note.

Blogger James Dixon July 26, 2016 2:23 PM  

> Andrew Klavan's first thoughts on rebuilding conservatism:

Just join the L or D team, Andrew. You know you want to.

Anonymous #5454 July 26, 2016 2:24 PM  

They are called the Stupid Party for a reason. They are incapable of learning.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 26, 2016 2:24 PM  

Debates about terminology aside, I agree.

The Old Northeastern "Conservatives" were and are a bunch of losers more concerned about maintaining their power than about winning.

As for Trump, he needs to be viewed as a battle in a larger war. In 2006, the GOPe tried for a massive amnesty...which was stopped by the opposition of the grass roots.

In 2010, we saw the Tea Party try to primary GOPe politicians. But the Tea Party would support the Republican candidate in the general election, even when they had tried to defeat him in the primary. It was the GOPe that would withhold funding, or even run a third party spoiler.

Trump himself may be an unseasoned, rambling candidate with some off-putting mannerisms, but he's also mounting the first serious outreach to the lower middle class voters since Reagan.

And yes, Trump has fight in him. Which counts for a lot. Particularly since we all know Hillary Clinton was going to play the, "You can't criticize me because I'm a woman," card.

Blogger Cicatrizatic July 26, 2016 2:24 PM  

"Now, York, or never, steel thy fearful thoughts"

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 2:28 PM  

Good takedown. Klavan is beyond self-parody, but this is solid gold:

I've wasted too much breath trying to convince conservatives that art is good and can change the world over time. They just won't believe me.

If Klavan only had skipped the lectures on impressionism and extolled the virtues of open borders, ruinous economics, and constant Middle Eastern warfare, the "conservative movement" would have won. Trump is very likely to win this November, but the suffering of True Conservatism, Inc., already has caused me almost freely ejaculate many times. They will be jumping out of the top story windows of neocon think tanks November 3rd.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 26, 2016 2:30 PM  

Ugh. Another stereotypical "conservative" - a foreigner trying to sell his warped, ignorant, modern beliefs as traditionally American, preaching his moral superiority to the evil natives and constantly on the lookout for racism and bigotry, which are of course much greater dangers than mass migration.

Anonymous Goodnight July 26, 2016 2:31 PM  

I told my dad that I was right-wing - not conservative - because there isn't much of our current culture I wish to conserve. He laughed, but now he's using right-wing too.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 26, 2016 2:31 PM  

More scolding of the Shitlords overall.

Anonymous Leox July 26, 2016 2:33 PM  

Good arguments. However, morality constrains strategy and it's not just "tone policing" to be concerned about a certain level of indecency, vileness, harassment, etc. At some point the tactics really do become unsupportable even if they lead to victory.

Anonymous DDT July 26, 2016 2:35 PM  

As for sex issues, I confess I care not at all about other people's sexuality (I'm so deeply immersed in my own)

I imagine trying to find other guys to cuck you out is a full time job if your wife's whale enough.

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 2:35 PM  

Since Kalvin is telling Christians what to do, would he appreciate my advice for jews?

Blogger Alexander July 26, 2016 2:36 PM  

At some point the tactics really do become unsupportable even if they lead to victory.

False.

Both your premise and your conclusion.

Anonymous JAG July 26, 2016 2:37 PM  

Leox wrote:Good arguments. However, morality constrains strategy and it's not just "tone policing" to be concerned about a certain level of indecency, vileness, harassment, etc. At some point the tactics really do become unsupportable even if they lead to victory.

This is life and death of civilization we are talking here. I don't care about civility any longer. I now subscribe to what is best in life, and I don't mean the open steppe, a swift horse, falcons at my wrist, nor the wind in my hair.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 2:37 PM  

At some point the tactics really do become unsupportable even if they lead to victory.

You reassess tactics after you win. The communists are in the process of tripling down with no blowback, and their tactics are beyond vile. And in the event you haven't noticed, they are winning or at least had been.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 26, 2016 2:40 PM  

One virtue of the New Right (not Alt- anymore) is a recognition of the stakes. The Left wants us in gulags. The Old Conservative Losers refuse to face that fact.

Blogger Cicatrizatic July 26, 2016 2:40 PM  

American conservatism, distilled to its essence: free trade, the proposition nation, and an internationalist foreign policy.

Which actually aligns quite well with Hillary Clinton's platform.

It does not align with the First Congress and First President of the United States, who as Vox notes, enacted the Naturalization Act of 1790 (whites of good character only), a tariff on all imports, and followed Washington's well known neutrality policy.

A simple, cursory review of America's founding exposes the intellectual swindle of modern American conservatism for what it is.

Blogger Dirtnapninja July 26, 2016 2:41 PM  

Klavan, like most conservatives is too concerned with being respectable. The only problem is that the left controls the terms of respectability..so conservatives are constantly forced to fight battles within the terms set by their opponents.

One of teh reasons for the growth of the alt right is that they seriously don't give a shit about being respectable. So they are free to ruthlessly mock, subvert and argue within their own terms.

This is one reason why alt-right memes are so much funnier, so much more effective. The foes of the alt-right might dismiss that, but never underestimate the power of a good joke.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 26, 2016 2:45 PM  

What Klavan says is at first seductive, if you don't stop for a moment and realize the false assumptions upon which it is built.

Never, never, never let your enemies frame the argument. Step outside of it, always, hit them in the flank, always, use the most effective weapons, always. This is not Robert's Rules of Order, this is not now nor has it ever been a genteel dignified debate. Instead it is war, and will be until one side has destroyed the other permanently.

Anonymous Instasetting July 26, 2016 2:45 PM  

Klavan is a good novelist; not so good a pundit. I read the first of his Homelanders series to my boys. One of his other novels, which is all I've read, is definitely for the adult reader but it would have done well for the Ilk with its 'women follow guys' and 'redemption' and 'Muslim terrorist scum' stuff. I enjoyed it.

I also slammed a lot of what Klavan said in his own blog.

Blogger The Deuce July 26, 2016 2:46 PM  

Some class occasionally would be nice... They just won't believe me. But could we maybe agree that screaming at people and calling them evil and talking like a belligerent loudmouth know-it-all is not always the best way to bring them over to your side?

Please. If this is what were keeping "open-minded Democrats" away, they'd have already left the Democratic party already.

Anonymous Leox July 26, 2016 2:47 PM  

Robert Divinity wrote:You reassess tactics after you win.
So there are really no tactics that are off-limits to "saving civilization?" Vile speech and harassment that normalizes depravity is OK? What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic? I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.

Blogger Citizenrichie July 26, 2016 2:47 PM  

Lulzzz I pray you enjoyed your emissions?

These neo-con artists need to be purged from society. I suspect half will return to their natural place which is pure Bolshevism and the rest will wind up in some settlement Kibutz.

It's like the right got all the stupid Jews...

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 2:52 PM  

So there are really no tactics that are off-limits to "saving civilization?"

Nothing is off limits. It is a civilizational struggle. You win or you lose.

Vile speech and harassment that normalizes depravity is OK?

Yes. Odd also that the "vile speech and harassment" that rattles cucks only is defined by the communists.

What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic?

Killing innocents isn't a winning tactic unless you are a Muslim.

I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.

The only limitations are things that don't work.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 26, 2016 2:52 PM  

Leox wrote:However, morality constrains strategy and it's not just "tone policing" to be concerned about a certain level of indecency, vileness, harassment, etc. At some point the tactics really do become unsupportable even if they lead to victory.

If I ever give a fuck about your opinion of my tactics, I'll be sure to get in touch. In the mean time, bugger off.

Blogger Karl July 26, 2016 2:53 PM  

The reaction by "conservatives" to the Wikileaks is illustrative of the problem. Hackers, perhaps Russian, broke into the DNC server. What does David Frum say?

The news - the real news - in the DNC leak is the information about which US candidate Putin favors and why. That is nuclear-grade news.
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/757585444502638592

How bout Ross Douthat?

The Russian hack is just power politics. It's a bad sign for our security, it should be (another) reason to be anti-Trump, but ...... if a sitting U.S. president ordered the hack against rivals in order to derail them, *that* would be worse than Watergate. This is not.
https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT


So . . . all the horrible secrets of the DNC come out, and the first reaction is to have a freak-out about Putin? Nobody gives a damn (except neo-con and beltway types). And all the renewed red-baiting by stupid people over the last few days is the icing on top.

As horrible as the Raiders were under Al Davis, he had one goal - "Just Win, Baby"

The present GOP elite isn't even as competent as Al Davis was on his worst draft day.

Anonymous JAG July 26, 2016 2:53 PM  

Leox wrote:Robert Divinity wrote:You reassess tactics after you win.

So there are really no tactics that are off-limits to "saving civilization?" Vile speech and harassment that normalizes depravity is OK? What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic? I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.


Innocents have always been killed in collateral damage during wars. It is inescapable, and the blood of their deaths is on the hands of those who forced this necessity. You get in a street fight you better damn well win it. You tell your opponent you won't pull hair or kick the nuts under any circumstances you better be ready to get your hair pulled and your nuts smashed by said opponent.

You are looking for a Marquess of Queensberry boxing match while your leftist opponent wants to shiv you in the kidney during the weekly shower.

Anonymous Broken Arrow July 26, 2016 2:54 PM  

Leox you moron, your call for good manners when having a battle only works if the other sides plays along too. The other side through action and word has already said that there's nothing off limits.

Anonymous Steve July 26, 2016 2:54 PM  

morality constrains strategy

Nowt more moral than surviving.

Anonymous Roundtine July 26, 2016 2:56 PM  

Cuckservatism is symptomatic of untreated faggotry.

Blogger Phelps July 26, 2016 2:56 PM  

Like Kennedy (who would now be drummed out of the Democrat party) said, "those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." The Tea Party was the attempt at peaceful revolution. They had their "classy" grassroots movement, and they shit all over us.

Now they get the political equivalent of violent revolution. If they manage to hold the line and prevent this, then the literally violent revolution is simply a matter of time.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 2:56 PM  

@26:

The hilarious part is only the cucks buy the source defense. The Sanders peeps don't give a single fuck it came or likely came from Putin.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 26, 2016 2:59 PM  

Conservatism is a failed ideology. I've been telling my circle of increasingly alienated "friends" on Facebook and other social media this for a long time. Some of them get it, most of them don't. A few are still hanging onto the desperate hope that Ted Cruz or some other cuck will find a way to ride in and save the day from Trump.

As for the Constitution, my opinion is that it was a valiant effort. But it's unviable without some *major* revision.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 26, 2016 2:59 PM  

Leox wrote:I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.

Your limits are set by your communist masters. My limits are set by God's Holy Spirit, not by tone-policing cucks. If Leox is not concerned, I am failing my country and my God.

Blogger August July 26, 2016 3:02 PM  

When I realized that they are basically the same people who will waste whatever assets they have on people who have no culture and cannot create culture, the culture war meme really started to anger me. They want to be able to vote for the 'pro-life' candidate and keep their comfy jobs, pensions, and send their teenage girls down to Jamaica on 'mission' trips.

Anyone wants to win a culture war? Start with easily defensible land. Cultures are made in real places.

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 3:02 PM  

Since Kalvin is telling Christians what to do, would he appreciate my advice for jews?

Klavan is a Christian of Jewish descent.

Blogger Unknown July 26, 2016 3:03 PM  

It is telling that the last time the US won a war was when the US waged a total war, no tactic beyond consideration, no target off limits, and it was relentless, day after day, with no let up.

When one opponent in a war believes he is in a wars with rules, that participant will loose to the participant that _doesn't_ play by those rules.

Before I started coming here, I was like Klavan. Now, I am not, after watching the futility of fighting a war fought on battlegrounds of culture and language that have already been ceded to the collectivist left.

Anonymous Broken Arrow July 26, 2016 3:03 PM  

@31 What was the worst part about the conservative and GOP elites trashing the Tea Party movement, is that it was the first time possibly in recorded history a populist movement requested the government to actually be restrained by the law. The Tea Party was an attempt to get back to the Constitution, not expand federal powers.

So instead the Conservatives in all of their wisdom who trashed the Tea Party have helped create the populist/nationalist movement of Trump. This movement will expand federal powers, not restrain them. The Cucks at NRO know this and are now wringing their hands at what they wrought.

Anonymous JAG July 26, 2016 3:03 PM  

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus wrote:

As for the Constitution, my opinion is that it was a valiant effort. But it's unviable without some *major* revision.


The next one must specifically forbid Islam and Marxism explicitly with treason penalties.

Anonymous Stickwick July 26, 2016 3:03 PM  

I've liked many conservative commentators over the years, including Klavan, which is why it's dismaying to see them responding to Trump and the disintegration of the GOP this way. Take this, for instance:

Even its defenders on talk radio and in the blogosphere are severely at odds as they are forced to choose whether to defend Trump as the lesser of two evils or to stand fast with the founding fathers against both terrible sides.

Seriously? Why weren't the defenders at odds over McCain and Romney? Neither of those candidates could've been reasonably described as anything other than lesser-evil choices. If these conservative defenders, instead of collectively badgering us to put our principles aside for the team in the last two elections, had taken similarly anguished stands against McCain and Romney -- and Bush for that matter -- I could give them the benefit of the doubt. But now they're suddenly finding themselves severely at odds over Trump? Well, all I can say is that I'm extremely disappointed to find out who these "defenders" really are.

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 26, 2016 3:04 PM  

There is one substitute for victory: the "conservative movement".

What a fitting oxymoron that is.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 3:04 PM  

Leox wrote:Good arguments. However, morality constrains strategy and it's not just "tone policing" to be concerned about a certain level of indecency, vileness, harassment, etc. At some point the tactics really do become unsupportable even if they lead to victory.

Noble deeat all-round then? Look, he's talking explicitly about class and style. That's not a moral issue.

We are at WAR. Do you understand that? WAR! They are lining us up for their proxies to kill, they are arresting and imprisoning people for thinking what you think. They are destroying people's lives and livelihoods for merely appearing to be insufficiently enthusiastic about the Revolution. And he's talking about "Class".

As for your conclusion, this is a cold war that is rapidly heating up. Will you refuse to fire when it comes to shooting? Or will you shoot at your fellow "Conservatives" when ordered to by the authorities? Or maybe just to win some points with the pink-haired bitch lesbian commies that run our society now?

You're useless to us, and to yourself and to your prosperity.

Leox wrote:So there are really no tactics that are off-limits to "saving civilization?" Vile speech and harassment that normalizes depravity is OK? What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic? I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.
There are of course limits. Those limits have NOTHING to do with democrats reactions to what we do. The have NOTHING to do with class or vulgarity or alienating potential supporters. In time, they will not even be at the level of killing. They have to do with right and wrong. But since clowns like you and Klavan have given up on the concept of right and wrong, you may have trouble seeing where they are.


Read up on the Irish Troubles sometime. That's the kind of war we're engaged in.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 26, 2016 3:04 PM  

The next one must specifically forbid Islam and Marxism explicitly with treason penalties.

Exactly.

Blogger Gaiseric July 26, 2016 3:05 PM  

Leox wrote:Robert Divinity wrote:You reassess tactics after you win.

So there are really no tactics that are off-limits to "saving civilization?" Vile speech and harassment that normalizes depravity is OK? What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic? I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.

Who cares? You're either navel-gazing, or trying to lay a really clumsy entrapment. If you want to say that Trump is a bad, baaaad person because he said mean things about Rosie O'Donnell or whatever other nonsense you're really trying to get it, then get to the point already.

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 3:05 PM  

So there are really no tactics that are off-limits to "saving civilization?" Vile speech and harassment that normalizes depravity is OK? What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic? I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.

No. Yes. Great quantities of innocents will be killed. That is what happens in war.

If you have to believe that there are limits, then leave with the conservatives and other cucks. We neither need nor want you.

Anonymous fop July 26, 2016 3:06 PM  

Leox: "So there are really no tactics that are off-limits to "saving civilization?"

Read about a guy who actually helped save civilization.

Speirs' platoon spent the night of 6 June being shuffled in position with other platoons as the company was arranged for battle to begin early the next morning. A rolling artillery barrage had been coordinated in support of the ground assault on the morning of 7 June; to initiate the attack, artillery fire was adjusted back towards American lines before moving forward in increments. Speirs ordered his platoon to hold position until the fire was completed to prevent serious casualties and friendly fire. One of his squad leaders ignored the orders due to fatigue and disorientation; after his order was ignored a second time, Speirs shot the sergeant between the eyes, then promptly reported the incident to the company commander, Captain Jerre S. Gross. Gross was killed in combat the next day and the incident was not pursued.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 3:07 PM  

It is not so much important to convince people of a particular truth than it is to get them to ACT according to rules based on that truth. They may know but not act. They may not know the deep philosophical why they should act, but we can use the same condescending "Trust us, we - and 2500 years of history - say this is the right thing to do".

Those who will not play by those rules will have to leave, be quarantined, or whatever else necessary. This applies to the welfare moochers, the cronies, and the neocons.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 26, 2016 3:09 PM  

I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.

"The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." (Exodus 15:3)

Blogger James Dixon July 26, 2016 3:10 PM  

> So there are really no tactics that are off-limits to "saving civilization?

What good do off limit tactics do for dead people? this isn't some debate where both sides walk off the stage afterwards. They want us dead. They've been quite clear about it.

> I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.

That's what confession is for.

Blogger Timmy3 July 26, 2016 3:10 PM  

Can I call myself a Bill of Rightist? At immediate risk is the first and second amendments. Then fourth, fifth, and sixth. And benign neglect of the 10th. No Democrat should hold public office with their anti-Constitutionalist disregard for the 2nd amendment. Universities should be disbanded for being anti-first amendment.

Blogger Joshua_D July 26, 2016 3:13 PM  

43. Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 26, 2016 3:04 PM

The next one must specifically forbid Islam and Marxism explicitly with treason penalties.

Exactly.


I was just thinking this today. Time to ban Islam.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 26, 2016 3:14 PM  

Stone cold.

Blogger Alexander July 26, 2016 3:15 PM  

What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic?

The 'tactic' of being polite and not wanting to get hands dirty is responsible for NYC, London, Paris^n, Nice, Madrid, Miami, Chattanooga, Fort Hood, Rotherham, Derby, Rouen, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

It has also already set into motion any thousands of deaths to be caused at a future date, the attackers safely embedded or soon to be embedded on western soil, directly because of this policy.

So you can take your "Muh Innocents" and shove it. They're already fucked. All I care about now is:

1. That we minimize the number of innocents that die within our group.

2. That the greatest share of the 'innocents pie' is absorbed by the enemy.

3. That when the debris clears, we are still standing and our enemies are not.

Blogger justaguy July 26, 2016 3:19 PM  

Too many pundits decry the death of conservatism without having a clue about what conservatism really is. To many repubs, it was simply a branding theme for campaigns. We will need a new beginning with the millennial generation, because they have never he been expose to anything conservative in their meaningful lifetimes.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 26, 2016 3:20 PM  

Psalm 144:1

Blessed be The Lord my strength, who teacheth my hand to war, any fingers to fight.

Fr. Hamel was the priest beheaded today in France. He attempted to defend himself, and was forced to his knees and beheaded. If an 84 year old priest, a FRENCH priest, fights until he's dead, we have no excuse.

OpenID ymarsakar July 26, 2016 3:20 PM  

I have never been a conservative. I will never be a conservative. I am delighted to see the conservative movement crumbling into dust. Conservatives conserve nothing, accomplish nothing, and stand for nothing. They will not defend the Church, they will not defend America, and they will not defend the West.

That's all nice and good, VoxD, but you're also not a follower of Christ, by similar reasoning.

These are merely human power plays, and there's no ability, certainly not by or the so called Alt Right, to declare themselves champions of righteousness. That's merely a fiction, the same as the Pax Americana's justice and truth.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 26, 2016 3:22 PM  

"The Alt Right will. Join us, if you have the steel."

I can't join. It's a white nationalist thing, and that's okay. I concur with many Alt-Right issues. Those ideas remind me of the ideas expressed in REAL Black nationalist thought (not that BLM/ Civil Rights bullsh!t). I'll watch from afar. Vote for candidates that share our values. And yes, Conservatism Inc. is dead... I hope. On a side note, I'll never forget the FairTax betrayal.

Good fences make good neighbors.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 3:22 PM  

ymarsakar wrote:That's all nice and good, VoxD, but you're also not a follower of Christ, by similar reasoning.

These are merely human power plays, and there's no ability, certainly not by or the so called Alt Right, to declare themselves champions of righteousness. That's merely a fiction, the same as the Pax Americana's justice and truth.
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Go masturbate in your own corner for a while.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 26, 2016 3:23 PM  

Ymarsakar,

We're Men of the West. We're broken sinners but for the sake of Jesus Christ. Champions of righteousness? We do the best we can. We don't need you. Bare the neck if you must, but get out of our way.

Anonymous stress management July 26, 2016 3:23 PM  

As usual, the modern day Pharisees like Klavan typically have a plan for victory guaranteed to make you lose. If gentiles would simply ignore Jewish advice, we would all be better off. Just IGNORE them. Do what they do, not what they preach, so to speak.

Also when assessing "conservatives" it is important to distinguish between the Christians (cucks) and the Jews (cucketmasters). Fundamentally different frames of mind, fundamentally different motives.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 3:25 PM  

Too many pundits decry the death of conservatism without having a clue about what conservatism really is. To many repubs, it was simply a branding theme for campaigns. We will need a new beginning with the millennial generation, because they have never he been expose to anything conservative in their meaningful lifetimes.

If you reduce conservatism to its essence, "to conserve," it really isn't a brand or ideology. The (mostly) white Millenials are about to become routine targets of the communists. If you look at the DNC schism, how does that break down? It's elderly white boomers with (mostly) minority foot soldiers lording it over the (mostly) lily white snowflakes. The idea of conserving a culture and a people will be impressed upon the Millenials as they realize they, too, are part of a tribe that has been under a never-ending assault for almost four decades-plus.

Survival is non-ideological.

Anonymous Leox July 26, 2016 3:26 PM  

Gaiseric wrote:You're either navel-gazing, or trying to lay a really clumsy entrapment.
I'm trying to distinguish between merely crude or offensive language that might turn people off or be of the "wrong tone" (and thus fall into the category of tone policing, and this would include the Rosie comments of Trump) and speech that goes beyond tone and promotes immorality and hate and may damage the soul (for Christians). It's the latter that seems like it ought to be off limits, and much of Trump's talk (as well as the recent Milo-inspired racist Twitter attack) falls in this category.

But, I've been deemed to be one of the enemy by asking the question, so at this point I suppose I have my answer. Thanks for the responses.

"VD wrote:Great quantities of innocents will be killed. That is what happens in war.


Yes, but we distinguish between direct and indirect killing when it comes to what is morally acceptable. I suppose that distinction is being tossed aside now that civilization is at the brink.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 3:27 PM  

The problem is that it has gotten to that point where there can be no limits. Had we stopped it before when it was still possible to be less forceful it would have been better but it was the same cuckservatives who prevented it from being slowed, reversed, or mitigated. Not unlike letting the bubble finally pop and the debt clear through bankruptcy. Not 2000. Not 2009, Not for the years since. Each time it guaranteed it would get worse. Now we are a Tulip Mania level bubble that will result in the new Netherlands. Same on the culture based bloody war front.

Just War theory says NOTHING about limits. Only about the certainty, and if the aftermath will be worse than the status quo. The evidence is glaringly obvious, and it can't possibly be worse, though the process will be terrible.

I would only point out in that the only "limit" is that the battle is 4GW so we must win at the moral level. We don't have to demonize the terrorist raping Muslims, they've done that for us. We don't have to demonize the illegal immigrants who are by definition not innocent. Both have safe haven in their own lands. We are not safe in our own lands and there is a toll of innocents on their side.

I would add another limit - not trying to purge our own too quickly. 9/11 gave us the PATRIOT Act and the TSA. It made no one any more secure but everyone is now harassed and depravity is the normalization by the TSA. That and remembering the goal is to reestablish Christendom, not the pagan Vikings or the austro-Goths. It is easier to destroy than to build.

Christ predicted what was going to happen to Jerusalem in 70AD and God permitted it and it was horrific. There were no limits there.

Alexander Hamilton's response to Vile speech and harassment was to duel Aaron Burr - and he lost. We are still responding in-kind, to both the vile speech and attempts to get people fired from their job.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 26, 2016 3:29 PM  

Robert Divinity,

I agree. Conservativism is a tactic, just like terrorism.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 3:31 PM  

But, I've been deemed to be one of the enemy by asking the question, so at this point I suppose I have my answer. Thanks for the responses.

Your naïvete is dangerous. Asking questions is not.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 26, 2016 3:33 PM  

@62 "Yes, but we distinguish between direct and indirect killing when it comes to what is morally acceptable."

I case you haven't noticed the enemies of western civ have been directly and indirectly killing everyone. Why don't you go shoot at them instead of us?

Don't stand in the middle of the battle-field virtue signaling and be so surprised you're being shot at by both sides.

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Anonymous Steve July 26, 2016 3:35 PM  

Leo the Lion - But, I've been deemed to be one of the enemy by asking the question, so at this point I suppose I have my answer. Thanks for the responses.

Quoth the Raven.

Anonymous muh Christianity July 26, 2016 3:35 PM  

That and remembering the goal is to reestablish Christendom, not the pagan Vikings or the austro-Goths. It is easier to destroy than to build.
The goal is NOT to reestablish Christendom. Just ask around in the AltRight how many want to have to do anything with any of those religions coming from that part of the planet. All three of them.

The roman empire wasn't saved by Christendom and it couldn't have been saved by it. Tactics which do not lead to victory go to the trash bin. Saving Christendom will not save our people.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 3:40 PM  

I would add another limit - not trying to purge our own too quickly.

Purges, unless those of an internal enemy such as the cucks, need to be private even while a unified face is shown to the world in most instances.

9/11 gave us the PATRIOT Act and the TSA. It made no one any more secure but everyone is now harassed and depravity is the normalization by the TSA.

9/11 was the casus belli to ratchet up the oppression of the American citizen. The borders remained wide open, Muslim immigration to the United States increased afterwards, and the pre-9/11 populace was menaced judicially and extrajudicially. The "War on Terror" was more of a phony war than the French shooting a few rounds at the Nazis.

Kalvan and company would prefer we not discuss such unpleasant matters, of course.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 3:40 PM  

@62 - The drone war, torture, rendition, etc. started under "W". All the cucks were cheering BECAUSE of the monstrous measures which caught up many innocents, some are still at GITMO though were innocent (and tortured). Many died.

There will be no intentional and direct killing of innocents, but they will not be safe living among our enemy within. Let them go back to the middle east or south of the border and then they will be safe when the time comes. It is a bit like living in the middle of Detroit and coming home and seeing your house burglarized every few months.

This is what gets me angry at the hypocrisy. In 2012, Ron Paul was the candidate. The perfect model husband and father. 100% pro life. 100% constitutional. 100% anti-crony. He wasn't acceptable but Romney that had problems as bad as Trump (Romneycare, PP, etc.) was? Where was the angst? The complaints about conscience? The hard fought battles to get someone like him nominated? I warned back then that they aren't going to like what will happen in 2016, though I had no idea what specifically. Now suddenly Trump is not acceptable because of his personal life and policies? Judah didn't listen to Jeremiah but they had to listen to Nebuchadnezzar.

And what IS happening is our wives and children are being raped (TSA, mandatory vaccines), our property pillaged (taxes and regulations), and we are being thrown into virtual cages with technology and law (gun control). There are no limits to the defense of your own life when the attacker knows no limits. And the feds, gangs, criminals, and terrorists ARE targeting relatives.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 26, 2016 3:40 PM  

Leox wrote:... speech that goes beyond tone and promotes immorality and hate and may damage the soul (for Christians). It's the latter that seems like it ought to be off limits, and much of Trump's talk ... falls in this category.

Liar. I thought you were a cuck, but you are a Soros-funded troll.

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 3:41 PM  

That's all nice and good, VoxD, but you're also not a follower of Christ, by similar reasoning.

You're wrong.

These are merely human power plays

No, they're not. This evil is not solely human.

I can't join. It's a white nationalist thing, and that's okay.

Then be an ally. We support the right of all nations to exist, and to leave by their own customs, so long as they stop invading other nations or trying to force those customs on others.

I'm trying to distinguish between merely crude or offensive language that might turn people off or be of the "wrong tone" (and thus fall into the category of tone policing, and this would include the Rosie comments of Trump) and speech that goes beyond tone and promotes immorality and hate and may damage the soul (for Christians). It's the latter that seems like it ought to be off limits, and much of Trump's talk (as well as the recent Milo-inspired racist Twitter attack) falls in this category.

We don't want or need you. You're a useless moderate, doing what moderates always do.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 26, 2016 3:41 PM  

To translate @62, civilization is great and all, but not worth keeping if preserving it requires such extremes as Trump being mean and Milo writing a negative review of Ghostbusters. That is a bridge I will not cross!

Anonymous Longtime Lurker July 26, 2016 3:41 PM  

Klavan wrote: "It very much looks to me right now as if Trump is going to lose this election on pure incompetence and mean spirit."

To be underestimated is probably the greatest psychological advantage anyone can have in a competitive situation.

If Klavan's remarks are any indication, Trump still enjoys this advantage.

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 3:43 PM  

What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic?

The 3yo refusegee boy who didn't drown as claimed by the media would grow up to be a ________

Here are some inne cent niglets for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMW9GEy8iZQ

Blogger pyrrhus July 26, 2016 3:43 PM  

Excellent polemic VD! I see radicalization of the American public increase day by day....Ultimately, the trimmers and virtue signalers will be swept away, as neither side will have any use for them...

Blogger James Dixon July 26, 2016 3:44 PM  

> That's all nice and good, VoxD, but you're also not a follower of Christ, by similar reasoning.

Christ decides who his followers are. Not you and not any of us. And he doesn't use reason to do so.

> ...and speech that goes beyond tone and promotes immorality and hate and may damage the soul (for Christians).

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 26, 2016 3:44 PM  

Milo writing a negative review of Ghostbusters.

Good grief, will the stream of atrocities never cease?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 26, 2016 3:47 PM  

The failure of Old Conservatism can be summed up in William Buckley's definition, "A conservative is someone who stands astride the railroad tracks of history shouting 'STOP'!".

They're on defense. Pure defense. Which means they will always lose, eventually.

The Alt-Right, New Right...whatever we want to call it, we probably need to pick something rhetorically sound. But its hallmark is that we play offense, as well as defense.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 3:47 PM  

Good grief, will the stream of atrocities never cease?

Only after Twitter gets uber aggressive and shuts down Trump's account will there be peaceful political discourse. He likely thinks something along these lines, too.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 26, 2016 3:47 PM  

@55 Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother

The French and German general populace are still betting they will be the last ones to be eaten by the alligator. But this is only a stage. Soon the alligator will be at the door, and a personal death match will be inevitable.

Nathalie Goulet, French Senator: “I think the people have to get used to this terrorism and feeling...”.

This is what lampposts and rope are for. But if I were part of the local Resistance, I would start with something a little more subtle: chart the daily routines of their government cronies including addresses, then simply release that information to the mohammedans, sit back, and let the traitors get a taste of their own medicine.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 3:48 PM  

@69 If it is not going to be Christendom, then the victory of fallen man will produce something worse than the Caliphate. The soviet union failed because of socialism. The Nazis only failed because they were too greedy and prideful and thought the ubermenschen could fight on multiple fronts against the West. If Hitler paused to consolidate things, continental Europe would be his and the UK would be as Taiwan is to China.
Christendom could not save Rome because Rome was founded on paganism. Christendom was and is a new thing and the pinnacle of western civilization. You cannot have the latter without the former. For every atheist Stephen Molyneaux, you get a dozen Christopher Hitchens.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 3:49 PM  

Leox wrote:peech that goes beyond tone and promotes immorality and hate and may damage the soul (for Christians). It's the latter that seems like it ought to be off limits, and much of Trump's talk (as well as the recent Milo-inspired racist Twitter attack) falls in this category.

Why not let us look after our own souls? Evidently most of us believe we can handle bad language without descending into damnation. That must burn someone like you.

You can't leave it be because that's not really your problem with bad language. Your problem is that you're afraid someone will think you're a bad person if you use bad language. Or you might be a bad person if you associate with bad people. Interesting fact, EVERYBODY is a bad person. No-one, not even you is exempt. We are not alienating Milo because Milo fights, and for now at least, he is fighting alongside us. The same reason we do not attack the Sons of Odin.

You, on the other hand, don't fight, because you're too damned concerned with your own purity.

And when Christ asks you "What did you do to save My people when they were attacked?" you can proudly answer "I did not render myself ritually impure."

Anonymous JAG July 26, 2016 3:53 PM  

To boil it all down to the usual essence of the #NeverTrump crowd - Trump is a meanie-head, and they would rather burn this mother down than support him. Seems like gamma hate of alpha.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 3:53 PM  

As to crude, vulgar, and profane language, it is reasonable not to use it at home, but don't bring a knife to a rhetorical gunfight.

But even worse, not how Christians are sensitive not to swear, but how bold are they in the proclamation of the Gospel, much less what it says about hell and damnation? If the Christians were as concerned about going into verbal battle AS CHRISTIANS instead of churchians, things would be a lot different.

The Gospel is offensive. A Scandalon. Don't like swear words? fine. But then offend them with the words from the bible. Hurt the feelings of this modern "Brood of Vipers", "Sons of the Devil".

Blogger Ilíon July 26, 2016 3:57 PM  

"Go masturbate in your own corner for a while."

That sort of thing really turns you people on, doesn't it?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 26, 2016 3:58 PM  

The Gospel is offensive. A Scandalon. Don't like swear words? fine. But then offend them with the words from the bible. Hurt the feelings of this modern "Brood of Vipers", "Sons of the Devil".

People who swear will go to hell if they don't repent and get right with Jesus.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 4:00 PM  

@57 Al From Bay Shore

I can't join. It's a white nationalist thing,
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White Nationalism doesn't make sense to me still. At least until they get that ban in there against Marxism, globalism, etc.

Anonymous muh Christendom July 26, 2016 4:01 PM  

If it is not going to be Christendom, then the victory of fallen man will produce something worse than the Caliphate.
Fear and shame based argumentation. That surely is going to convince me.

The soviet union failed because of socialism. The Nazis only failed because they were too greedy and prideful and thought the ubermenschen could fight on multiple fronts against the West. If Hitler paused to consolidate things, continental Europe would be his and the UK would be as Taiwan is to China.
Hitler was the ultimate evil. Sorry to inform you, but that also doesn't work for shit anymore. You might want to research how many peace offers Hitler did send out before stating that he should have done so.

Christendom could not save Rome because Rome was founded on paganism. Christendom was and is a new thing and the pinnacle of western civilization. You cannot have the latter without the former. For every atheist Stephen Molyneaux, you get a dozen Christopher Hitchens.
Christendom is cancer. Pure and evil cancer. It is not a religion of white people. It is an Arabian religion which was imported. There was a fantastic interview with a swedish woman on red ice radio talking about the old gods and how the fit Sweden better cause they gave role models to the people. A mother goddess, a warrior god and so forth. Christianity gives us a father figure and nothing else. Christianity was the first step to install the big father idea into people which at some point evolved into big father-state.


I don't give a fuck if you want your Christian god or whatever the fuck you want to believe in. But it is not the goal of the AltRight. The goal of the AltRight is to save our people. Maybe you are right and on the way lies saving Christianity, but that will be a side effect, not the main goal or any goal for that matter.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 26, 2016 4:02 PM  

White Nationalism doesn't make sense to me still.

It makes more sense to talk about white nationalisms

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 4:03 PM  

84 - amen!.

The left, the SJWs, and the rest are dragging the country and every citizen into hell with them. I am being literal. If you do not hate the demons behind them or someone who would corrupt people - they are now mainlining paedophelia! - there is something wrong with you.

If someone is about to shoot my friend, it won't be love the sinner but hate the sin - the two are superimposed. I must stop the sin and if I don't I'm complicit in it. I will shoot first.

These people are damning - murdering souls by the million, and do you think the real innocent blood 60 million dead babies counts for nothing? You worry about speech?

We can discuss what to do about the ashes once the fire is out, but to dither or hesitate now is to lose. You can now choose to speak or not. In Canada you can go to prison for quoting Leviticus. In Saudi Arabia or Pakistan you can be executed for preaching the Gospel. If you are squeamish about speech now, what happens when you need to use a gun to stop it?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 4:04 PM  

@68 Steve

Quoth the Raven.
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In this day and age, the Raven would be banned on Twitter and FB, and we'd have to search the Dark Net to see what it had to say.

Blogger CM July 26, 2016 4:05 PM  

When Trump's go-to answer for issues he knows nothing about are "We should let states decide" and then Republicans start screaming "NOT A CONSERVATIVE", I seriously wonder what constitution they are reading.

Anonymous fop July 26, 2016 4:07 PM  

The goal is NOT to reestablish Christendom.

It's the primary goal. Everything else hinges on it.

Or do you really want the french revolution.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 26, 2016 4:07 PM  

@89
I've always viewed nationalism as an expression of a group of people with commonly held interests and values controlling the politics and economics of their own region or community.

Blogger Factory July 26, 2016 4:07 PM  

I floated this on reddit, but this is likely a better place....no disrespect, just spitballing here...


My thought is that if white males (actually this applies to men in general, but the point is stronger with white males) were to answer 'who do you support' type questions with 'Trump', then, when asked why reply "Because I am a white male and he is the only candidate not bashing my sex or skin color." No more elaboration, just leave it hanging there, all matter-of-fact-like.


I wonder how long before The Narrative explodes if that happened.

Blogger CM July 26, 2016 4:09 PM  

And when Christ asks you "What did you do to save My people when they were attacked?" you can proudly answer "I did not render myself ritually impure."

Well there's that whiplash.

I believe Jesus actually had something to say about this... along the lines of "I didn't create the people for the Sabbath but the Sabbath for the people."

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 4:09 PM  

@22 Leox

What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic?
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Why are you guys not responsible for all the rape, murder, invasions, and all other crimes against innocents that are happening under your Cuckish system?

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 4:11 PM  

@90 I was not trying to use any fear or shame, simply noting the historic facts. Including Hitler. I was making no moral comment, only that the Nazis embodied the extension of the pagan civilization.

But who do you mean by "our people"? It is not always clear. Just anglo-saxons? anglos in general, northern Europeans? Europeans in general?

@88 But also those who remain silent in the face of evil will go to hell if they don't get right with Jesus. Simply telling a lie will place you under the father of lies. Jesus said if you are ashamed of him, he will be ashamed of you. Not all swearing is taking the Lord's name in vain, and what of swearing to tell the truth in court?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 26, 2016 4:12 PM  

@88 But also those who remain silent in the face of evil will go to hell if they don't get right with Jesus. Simply telling a lie will place you under the father of lies. Jesus said if you are ashamed of him, he will be ashamed of you. Not all swearing is taking the Lord's name in vain, and what of swearing to tell the truth in court?

Well, I was kind of kidding.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 4:13 PM  

I wonder how long before The Narrative explodes if that happened.

Any answer white males give will be presented as racism. The key is not to give a shit about the spin and continue to discuss the matter on your own terms. Trump is showing us how not to give a shit. He obviously has a mountain of money to shield him from the usual punishments the communists mete out, but Trump's dismissals and counter-spins are how to win.

Blogger Bob Loblaw July 26, 2016 4:14 PM  

Fight the culture wars in the culture.

He's right about this. Politics follows culture - if you lose in the culture you will lose the politics within a decade or two. What we have done in recent past is cede the culture as irrelevant and then try to fight the uphill political battle on prepared enemy ground.

Also, I notice he doesn't specifically address the university system, which was the vehicle the leftists used to take over the culture. Ideally we would wrest control of the universities back from the leftists, but as a first step I would settle for loosening their stranglehold. That's a battle we can win at the state level - there's no reason for red state universities to be staffed and administered by hard left ideologues.

Anonymous muh Christendom July 26, 2016 4:15 PM  

It's the primary goal. Everything else hinges on it.

Or do you really want the french revolution.

Cultists always see their religion as the ultimate savior. Just pray to my god and force other to pray to him to and all pieces will fall into place.

You sound like the equality cult: Equality is the primary goal. Everything else hinges on it.

Nope, not buying into that. The primary goal is the primary goal. The primary goal is not to full fill a side quest so the primary goal will follow suit. You guys don't have an argument for your side quest either. As you are now the second guy launching a ridiculous shaming and fear attack. How on earth can you dolts think that will work on the AltRight, when that is in terms of tactics exactly all what liberals and conservatives have to offer against the AltRight?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 4:19 PM  

@96 Al From Bay Shore
@89
I've always viewed nationalism as an expression of a group of people with commonly held interests and values controlling the politics and economics of their own region or community.
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I now consider myself a Nationalist. But not a white nationalist. When I look and see white people such as Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, DWS, Barnie Sanders, etc etc I don't feel a single iota of solidarity with such as them.

Anonymous Enough, Cuckservatives, Enough! July 26, 2016 4:19 PM  

Dear Andrew Klavan:

It is too late to apologize.

We. Don't. Care.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2016 4:22 PM  

Andrew Klavan is the man I would have been if I'd been born in 1954.

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 4:24 PM  

White Nationalism doesn't make sense to me still.

Even puffs in London marched alongside skinheads to protest Lee Rigby's beheading in broad daylight. If cops will ignore 1400 little white indigenous British girls being gang raped by moslems because they feared being called racist, what would they do for puffs getting beheaded? Everyone wants whites that's why Milo can get away with dating 8 boyfriends when at best he could get 2 white ones.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 26, 2016 4:25 PM  

Rationalizers, apologizers, accommodators, appeasers, traitors...

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 4:25 PM  

...Its vehicle for political expression, the Republican Party, is now in the hands of an authoritarian nationalist who has never read the Constitution and does not believe in free expression, free trade or the separation of powers.

sound like klavan been snoozing these last 8 years

Blogger Austin Ballast July 26, 2016 4:25 PM  

Has Klavan listened to his own YouTube videos? He should start a campaign against himself by this logic.

He has a sarcastic wit, but he is completely ignorant here.

I have yet to see "Trump the Despot" in spite of all the claims of such.

Trump is not perfect, but what human is?

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On the issue of tactics: Where are children being murdered by the Alt-Right? I see many being killed by abortion while most "conservatives" do nothing and even seek it out when their daughter gets pregnant at the wrong time. Exactly who is murdering children?

Not being nice is not anti-Christian. Jesus was not nice to many. He even challenged His own disciples about whether they were going to leave with the crowd. No comfort from Him at that key point.

Some may go farther than I would, but I will chose someplace else to work or focus on something else. Attacking that has little merit and this is a full out war for minds and society. Turning over and playing dead has not worked at all. Making mocking videos while claiming a need for civility failed too (see Klavan). Go for what works. Avoid evil if needed, but much that the left calls evil is nowhere close to it.

I remember being called evil by a coworker years ago because I didn't believe homosexuals had special rights. I guess Klavan would have my fighting for those same "rights" to hopefully sway others in the future of some vague "conservative values" that could not be defined.

I don't want to conserve any of it.

I started out as a conservative fairly early in life, unlike VD, but I am no longer in that camp at all.

Blogger ray July 26, 2016 4:26 PM  

Translation: Like the rest of 'conservative' America, I don't really care who wins the presidency, or Congress for that matter. I have a very comfortable life, loaded with material comforts and possessions, and I aim to keep it that way. Actually submitting to the Church, or adhering to manly honor, is far too steep a price to pay for restricting or abandoning my glutted life. So I will continue to pretend to be a rightie, while portraying Trump as and extremist, and cucking out my God and nation.

Repeat x 80 million and run through endless election cycles. Thanks for the enlightenment, Kliff Klavan.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2016 4:29 PM  

Leo, if you're interested I did a phrenology of Klavan on my blog, comes up easy if you search.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 26, 2016 4:31 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr
The failure of Old Conservatism can be summed up in William Buckley's definition, "A conservative is someone who stands astride the railroad tracks of history shouting 'STOP'!".

Yeah, and that was when they were halfway resisting. Now NRO lies on the tracks, spreads its legs, and screams "Come on, Train! Faster!"

They're on defense. Pure defense. Which means they will always lose, eventually.

Yes, because the defense must "get it right" every time, while the offense only has to "get it right" sometimes.

The alt-right stands next to torn up train track and smiles at the derail soon to happen.

Then the alt right gets its own train and sends right back down that track the opposite direction.

That's one way to stop trains.

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 4:31 PM  

97. Blogger Factory July 26, 2016 4:07 PM
I floated this on reddit, but this is likely a better place....no disrespect, just spitballing here...

My thought is that if white males (actually this applies to men in general, but the point is stronger with white males) were to answer 'who do you support' type questions with 'Trump', then, when asked why reply "Because I am a white male and he is the only candidate not bashing my sex or skin color." No more elaboration, just leave it hanging there, all matter-of-fact-like.

I wonder how long before The Narrative explodes if that happened.


what if you just said "I'm a white male and he speaks for me"

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 4:32 PM  

Christendom is cancer. Pure and evil cancer. It is not a religion of white people. It is an Arabian religion which was imported. There was a fantastic interview with a swedish woman on red ice radio talking about the old gods and how the fit Sweden better cause they gave role models to the people. A mother goddess, a warrior god and so forth. Christianity gives us a father figure and nothing else. Christianity was the first step to install the big father idea into people which at some point evolved into big father-state.

You don't know your religious history. And Christianity is part of Western civilization. You pagan Scandinavians weren't civilized without it.

Now, set your anger with Daddy aside and focus on the problem at hand. Christianity is not your problem. At the very least, it is your most powerful ally.

Anonymous A Visitor July 26, 2016 4:32 PM  

"Klavan, like a good conservative, is far more interested in going down to noble defeat and surrendering while wearing a nice clean uniform than he is with winning."

Klavan, poster boy for the cucks...like Romney in '12 and present.

"It very much looks to me right now as if Trump is going to lose this election on pure incompetence and mean spirit. That might actually make it easier for conservatives to regroup in the ruins of the Republican Party. If he wins, we may need a new party of our own. But whichever way things go, I think we need to open a discussion about how conservatives can not only remain conservative but also win elections in modern America."

I actually laughed in derision when I read this. As you asked, is he even watching conventions? Is he even aware of how Trump has his biggest lead against Clinton as of yet? What a loser.

"The Alt Right will. Join us, if you have the steel." Onward to victory!!!!!!!!

"Once again, if you can't even conserve the ladies room for actual ladies then you are a complete useless loser who does not inspire confidence in anyone."

@1 :-D

"but the suffering of True Conservatism, Inc., already has caused me almost freely ejaculate many times."

@6 I inadvertently snort laughed at that. Why must you use such hilarious phrases?

@7 Is he a foreigner? Per wikipedia, he was born in NYC.

@8 Per Milo's guide to the alt right, I'm a natural conservative.

@14 Exactly!

"So . . . all the horrible secrets of the DNC come out, and the first reaction is to have a freak-out about Putin? Nobody gives a damn (except neo-con and beltway types). And all the renewed red-baiting by stupid people over the last few days is the icing on top."

@26 It makes me wonder from a CI perspective what Putin gains by getting Trump in power.

"Leox you moron, your call for good manners when having a battle only works if the other sides plays along too. The other side through action and word has already said that there's nothing off limits."

@28 It's that good manners crap that irks me whenever there's an uprising against an authoritarian government. You see the BS Twitter feeds: be sure to be like Ghandi! Nonviolent! What did he think of not having firearms? Yeah, he thought it sucked.

"Like Kennedy (who would now be drummed out of the Democrat party) said, "those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." The Tea Party was the attempt at peaceful revolution. They had their "classy" grassroots movement, and they shit all over us.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 26, 2016 4:32 PM  

...Its vehicle for political expression, the Republican Party, is now in the hands of an authoritarian nationalist who has never read the Constitution and does not believe in free expression, free trade or the separation of powers.

sound like klavan been snoozing these last 8 years

The cucks have adopted the communist tactic of dismissing objective reality. Most don't even admit to themselves that we actually have an authoritarian thug in the White House. Trump is presented as a hypothetical strongman in their world because they dare not buck the meta-narrative and sound bad to their white bread liberal neighbors.

Blogger Orville July 26, 2016 4:32 PM  

The failure of Old Conservatism can be summed up in William Buckley's definition, "A conservative is someone who stands astride the railroad tracks of history shouting 'STOP'!".

And what usually happens when you stand in front of a train? If the tracks of history are going the wrong way, blow them up. Blow the switches, the spurs and the bridges till the train is not fine.

Anonymous A Visitor July 26, 2016 4:33 PM  

Now they get the political equivalent of violent revolution. If they manage to hold the line and prevent this, then the literally violent revolution is simply a matter of time."

@31 Right. Tea Party was us being nice...Alt Right is us being pissed.

"Before I started coming here, I was like Klavan. Now, I am not, after watching the futility of fighting a war fought on battlegrounds of culture and language that have already been ceded to the collectivist left."

@37 Though I don't have cable, it's one of the reasons I couldn't stand news programs anymore...the right wing guys are so cucked.

@44 WHOOP!

"We will need a new beginning with the millennial generation, because they have never he been expose to anything conservative in their meaningful lifetimes."

@54 Early millennial here ('86). We have...his name is Donald Trump! TRUMPENKRIEG!!!!!

@57 Troll those BLM bastards...safely!

"Yes, but we distinguish between direct and indirect killing when it comes to what is morally acceptable. I suppose that distinction is being tossed aside now that civilization is at the brink."

@62 To quote Rocket in Guardians of the Galaxy, 'That's the first thing you've said that is not batshit crazy!"

@107 I used to despise being born when I was...very pessimistic. Needless to say, very optimistic now (much more mature too to boot)!

@112 Heh

Anonymous muh christendom July 26, 2016 4:37 PM  

Now, set your anger with Daddy aside and focus on the problem at hand. Christianity is not your problem. At the very least, it is your most powerful ally.
What marvelous rhetoric. I'm in awe. Ally sure, I'll ally with evil if it gets me closer to the goal. But it isn't the goal. And that is where that argument started. I'm eagerly awaiting the next powerful rhetoric stroke of genius.

Anonymous Leox July 26, 2016 4:37 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Your problem is that you're afraid someone will think you're a bad person if you use bad language.

It's not bad words or crude language that I'm talking about here. It's about the content of the speech--is one a "moderate" if one doesn't support racist gorilla tweets at a black actress? Is that tactic to be cheered as leading to a great win in the culture war?

Anonymous Aphelion July 26, 2016 4:38 PM  

Klavern sounds as irrational as my new neighbors. Two military lawyers, black gun fearing liberal scum. Carola asked her why she dislikes Trump and this over-educated woman could only emote. No rational thought or argument.

The woman has admitted that if she had done what Hillary did with classified, that she would be serving hard time at Ft Leavenworth, she prefers Bernie but has no choice but to vote for Hillary. White Catholic couple... voting Dem. Hating Trump for no rational reason.

This statement by Klavan makes me think he is as ignorant as this woman: "It very much looks to me right now as if Trump is going to lose this election on pure incompetence and mean spirit." An emotional, mean-spirited, and ridiculous phrase.

The guy who has expended the least money and effort destroyed his R opponents. He is now gearing up to destroy his D opponent. It will be glorious. I for one will let Trump be Trump. And I have contributed and will contribute more to his Victory!

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 26, 2016 4:39 PM  

@105
I understand that. It makes complete sense. In my opinion, the term "cuckservative" speaks to the idea that people within one's culture may not always have the interests of their culture, and people for that matter, as a primary concern. Certainly people like DWS, Hillary, and the white SJWs are not, technically, cucks, but they they do seem to be people who fail to understand the value of western culture/ civilization hence they tend to prioritize "multiculturalism".

I'm speaking as a person who observes from afar and is attempting to formulate an analogy (metaphor?) based on my experiences in the Black community. I'll never understand how grown Black men and women continue to define segregation as a bad thing and integration as a good thing. I chalk it up to a failure of thinking through particular concepts. Many of these same people will decry the downfall of the HBCU (Historically Black College/ University) while, simultaneously, decrying the absence of Black people in institutions that are not HBCUs. They apply this same thinking (or lack thereof) to many other aspects of society where Black folks are concerned.

When I was in school, we described these folks as "lost". In other words, they were people who were not "on board" with the program, and that's okay. However, if you are going to challenge my contention that integration was a mistake then don't get mad if I challenge back.

Not sure if that made sense. I did my best.

Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 4:45 PM  

There's enough truthful insight in there that you can pay him the respect of concluding that he actually does know the truth.

Ergo, he's a liar.

Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 4:48 PM  

Leox
You're talking shit, man.

Pure unadulterated cuck shit

Blogger James Dixon July 26, 2016 4:49 PM  

> It's about the content of the speech--is one a "moderate" if one doesn't support racist gorilla tweets at a black actress?

Not necessarily, but since that black actress will cheerfully call you any name in the book and accuse of crimes you've never committed or even thought of committing, it does make you a loser.

> Is that tactic to be cheered as leading to a great win in the culture war?

Yes.

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 4:50 PM  

7. Anonymous Bobby Farr July 26, 2016 2:30 PM
Ugh. Another stereotypical "conservative" - a foreigner trying to sell his warped, ignorant, modern beliefs as traditionally American, preaching his moral superiority to the evil natives and constantly on the lookout for racism and bigotry, which are of course much greater dangers than mass migration.


at this point I was wondering klavan if was a kike.

12. Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 2:35 PM
Since Kalvin is telling Christians what to do, would he appreciate my advice for jews?


thanks for clearing that up.

now I start to wonder who started pushing all of this "JudeoChristian" nonsense - qui bono

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum July 26, 2016 4:51 PM  

Someone once told me the important thing was "to win with grace and style". No, the important thing is to win, even if you have to get bloody and dirty in the process.

I don't just want to win. I want the other side to lose.

I was SJW crybabies throwing themselves in front of oncoming trucks. I want BLM thugs to have their brains spilling out on the pavement. I want the psych-wards of hospitals coast-to-coast to fill up with liberals who check themselves in on suicide watch.

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 4:53 PM  

I can't believe how many gays, Mexicans and blacks thinking that if a revolution happens Whitey will lose & they will still have the benefits of civilization.

I know we talked about how many blacks would be smart enough to vote for TRUMP because Hispanics are taking their place, but here is a stupid one for TRUMP thinking it will be better for BLM because HilLIARy would be too nice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MlTwQwjDPA

The Darian Long of the "He gay, tazering black women fame."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 4:53 PM  

Leox wrote:Snidely Whiplash wrote:Your problem is that you're afraid someone will think you're a bad person if you use bad language.

It's not bad words or crude language that I'm talking about here. It's about the content of the speech--is one a "moderate" if one doesn't support racist gorilla tweets at a black actress? Is that tactic to be cheered as leading to a great win in the culture war?


No, no you are not a moderate. You are a cuck at best, or more likely a liberal.

Racism is NOT a sin. It simply isn't, even in its purest form. "Racism", that is, anything involving race which goes against the liberal Narrative, which is what you're actually talking about here, is simply manners. Not even bad manners.

If there's someone saying something you don't like, so what? Do you go after Lefties for supporting Che Guevara? No, of course not. That would be "bad manners".

You're so intentionally weak as to be contemptible.

Blogger Alexander July 26, 2016 4:55 PM  

is one a "moderate" if one doesn't support racist gorilla tweets at a black actress

I for one have no qualms with gorillas, and so it's highly offensive to go about comparing them to black people.

Blogger Teri July 26, 2016 4:58 PM  

If these folks are conservative, why aren't they standing up for families and stay at home moms? I do not understand how Ted Cruz is a true conservative with a wife that works 70-80 hour weeks and hands off care of her daughter to others. Melania Trump gave up a career to stay at home and raise her son. No true conservative there.

And they are useless on abortion. You need societal pressure to convince the woman to have the child and to marry the father. Conservatives don't do a damn thing towards that.

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 5:06 PM  

26. Blogger Karl July 26, 2016 2:53 PM
The reaction by "conservatives" to the Wikileaks is illustrative of the problem. Hackers, perhaps Russian, broke into the DNC server. What does David Frum say?

The news - the real news - in the DNC leak is the information about which US candidate Putin favors and why. That is nuclear-grade news.
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/757585444502638592

"that is nuclear-grade news"?

how so?


How bout Ross Douthat?

The Russian hack is just power politics. It's a bad sign for our security, it should be (another) reason to be anti-Trump, but ...... if a sitting U.S. president ordered the hack against rivals in order to derail them, *that* would be worse than Watergate. This is not.


its like they pretend IRS vs Tea Party never happened

Blogger Stephen St. Onge July 26, 2016 5:06 PM  

        What Klavan and the "conservative" movement are really missing is that "conservatism" has been examined and rejected.

        Wake up and take a look around.  Starting in 1932, the Democrats beat the Republicans in five straight presidential elections, and only the White House when the most popular American alive decided to run as a Republican (the Democrats would have run Eisenhower in a heartbeat).  And the "modern" conservative movement was born in opposition to the way the Republican Party was going under Ike.  In Congress, they were in control for forty-two out of the next forty six years.

        Both the conservatives and the alt-right are minorities in the U.S.  To get a country run on basically conservative or basically alt-right lines, the movement in question needs to secede from the U.S., peacefully.

        And please, spare us all the 'We will win Civil War Two (this time, with nukes!)'.  The outcome of that war will be dictatorship.  "Your" dictator may be better than "their" dictator, but the dictatorship won't be the country you currently say you want to live in.

Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 5:09 PM  

Leox has entirely missed the point that being rude may be a tactic - Milo does it particularly well - but it's a tactic whic is, in the case of the AltRight, symptomatic of a policy position (and/or perhaps also an epiphany and an attitude). That being, that we don't give a fuck for your opinion of us. To the degree that you make us aware of it, as lefty progs inevitably do, we will feel something is horribly wrong if you are not recoiling in horror.

In other words, we have declined to give you power over us via your idiot sensibilities and feigned offense that reality refuses to conform to your fantasies.

Fuck off; you're not even contemptible, only irrelevant.

Anonymous cheddarman July 26, 2016 5:09 PM  

"It's not bad words or crude language that I'm talking about here. It's about the content of the speech--is one a "moderate" if one doesn't support racist gorilla tweets at a black actress? Is that tactic to be cheered as leading to a great win in the culture war?"

says Leox, as she falls on her fainting couch.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2016 5:11 PM  

Leox wrote:Robert Divinity wrote:You reassess tactics after you win.

So there are really no tactics that are off-limits to "saving civilization?" Vile speech and harassment that normalizes depravity is OK? What about if innocents were to be directly killed as the result of a tactic? I have to believe there are some limits here, at least for those promoting Christianity.


There are but we aren't anywhere near them yet. Dishonorable conflict is what's left when honorable conflict is illegal, therefore scummy behavior is to 4GW as deceit is to xGW. Welcome to faggot earth, home of the WINNARZ.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2016 5:13 PM  

Some people take to deceit a mite easier than others, but whaddya do.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 26, 2016 5:15 PM  

Leox wrote:... is one a "moderate" if one doesn't support racist gorilla tweets at a black actress? Is that tactic to be cheered as leading to a great win in the culture war?

Yes, that makes you a moderate. Yes, it is to be cheered.

I wouldn't tweet insults at a black actress, but I would never criticise someone who is making liberals unhappy, except for not doing it hard enough.

Anonymous fop July 26, 2016 5:16 PM  

As you are now the second guy launching a ridiculous shaming and fear attack.

It's not shaming. It's history.

Christianity is the great civilizing force because it begins with the premise of human depravity.

The goal of the AltRight is to save our people.

Saving depraved people only means more depravity. See french revolution.


Blogger RobertT July 26, 2016 5:16 PM  

Conservatism is the dung heap of the world.

Blogger Frank Brady July 26, 2016 5:19 PM  

For entertainments sake, just ask a self-identified conservative what it is about "the way things are" that he wants to conserve? Confusion will result.

Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 5:19 PM  

As an example, I spoke with a fellow ex pat here yesterday. (ex pat - that's what we call legal first world immigrants)

When I mentioned that multi culti is an observably catastrophic failure and Germany is a place for Germans, and that strictly controlled borders are a good thing, he accused me of wanting to put foreign brown people in ovens.

Well, says I, apart from the fact that I wouldn't have any candidates if they weren't streaming across fhe borders in their hundreds of thousands, it's really not true.

I watched him visibly relax, assuming a climb down and victory for him were next.

Oh no, I only want to put YOU in the oven.

The horror. It was a thing of true beauty.

I don't give a fuck for the good opinion of traitors and their idiot quislings. I refuse to make any attempt to curry such.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 5:25 PM  

fop wrote:Saving depraved people only means more depravity. See french revolution.



Then none can be saved. All are depraved. I'm no Calvinist, but surely you don't think Humanity is actually worth saving on their own merits, do you? The French Revolution is the result of not letting the moderates reform the system.

Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 5:31 PM  

No, the Terror was the result of men declaring themselves to be gods, the final arbiters of right and wrong.

Since all proud rebellion is only ever following the trail blazed by Lucifer, all such defiantly conscious rebellion is devil worship.

And that never ends well.

Anonymous Baltar July 26, 2016 5:39 PM  

"You need societal pressure to convince the woman to have the child and to marry the father..."

Much more important: You need women with fathers their own and the elimination of welfare.

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 5:40 PM  

134. Blogger Stephen St. Onge July 26, 2016 5:06 PM

...The outcome of that war will be dictatorship.


what do we have now?

Anonymous Eric the Red July 26, 2016 5:42 PM  

It needs to be said more directly:

Leox and those like her are the triumph of Nice over Good.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2016 5:51 PM  

Eric the Red wrote:It needs to be said more directly:

Leox and those like her are the triumph of Nice over Good.


No, he just failed to adapt to his audience. Fucking rhetoric, dialectic, dolorectic, how do they work? (I don't wanna talk to a scientist, y'all motherfuckers lying and gettin' me pissed.)

The kid's a little slow, can't be helped. There's a time for syncopation and a time for pounding your feet along with the drums.

Blogger John Wright July 26, 2016 5:53 PM  

@90
"Christianity gives us a father figure and nothing else."

Saint Mary, the queen of angels and her son's church will be as surprised to hear this as Saint Louis, a king, Saint Aquinas, a scholar, Saint Francis, a beggar, Saint George, a knight, Saint Agnes, a virgin, Saint Monica, a mother, and Blessed Teresa of Calcutta, a crone.

We Christians have you pagans beat hollow. The onle things worth remembering or studying about paganism is because we remembered it and studied it.

Blogger Student in Blue July 26, 2016 6:01 PM  

Christianity was the first step to install the big father idea into people which at some point evolved into big father-state.

This is also a laugh and a half. Historical revisionism for everyone!

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 6:01 PM  

@111 The alt-right did far worse. They hurt the feelz of the SJWs. The ultimate unforgivable act is to make a woman feelz bad about her abortion.

@113 Does the head become bumpy before it becomes splodey?

@114 An alt-righter is someone who stands astride the tracks of history yelling stop - after doing a little metalwork so the train will derail to one side and crash if they don't heed the warning.

One trope I've used "Is the train more free on the track or off the track".

The train is fine.

@121 - it depends on the battle field. You are in the no-mans land in the Somme trying to conduct a boxing match according to Marquis of Queensbury rules while both sides have just shouted "over the top". We didn't set the rules of engagement, they did. The "black actress" is a bigoted foul-mouthed inciting comic. Again she is shooting and you don't want to even bring a knife to the fight.

@130 injustice or pre-judice is against the truth, but statistics are also truth, as is the antecedent vitriolic tweets. It isn't racism to point out or respond to truth. Moreover it is truer racism to condemn to hell those of other races by not opposing their sins based on their race.

@134 - if Putin is behind it, can I send him a token contribution for his re-election? Revenge for the Ukranian coup.

@139 - We're not talking about Eartha Kitt. We are talking about an unfunny remake (vandalism) of a classic icon. And she did not take criticism well. SJWs take any criticism - even obvious things like "short blue hair is ugly" as insults.

@140 Jesus saves. Even depraved people - but he saves them from their depravity. "Save our people" begs the question "save whom from what and how?".

@145 - The devil is blinded by pride, but too often creates zugzwangs where both sides eventually end up his.

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 6:03 PM  

caption at the DNC - silverman and franken introduce paul simon

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 6:03 PM  

@150 Paganism is a Cargo Cult instituted before the telegraph and the airplane. The motions are there but only make sense Anno Domini.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 6:06 PM  

@146, not societal pressure, the NRA. Have you never heard the term "Shotgun Weddings"? Fathers used to be more protective (even if retroactively).

Blogger mushroom July 26, 2016 6:09 PM  

I don't think it is conservatism that needs rebuilding or saving. I always considered myself a conservative. I have given it up because there is nothing to conserve.

Elsewhere today I compared progressives to those who hasten the rotting of a corpse whereas conservatives are taxidermists. We don't need either one. We need life from the dead.

Saving civilization means empowering and protecting the Christian family unit. It means making Christian marriage sacred again, and divorce extremely difficult. It means allowing women who stray out of their proper role and boundaries to suffer the shame and the consequences of their actions. It means ending government's role as mac daddy.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 6:13 PM  

@156 - correct. Conservatism used to mean something like Traditionalism, the democracy of the dead as Chesterton put it.

Somehow or somehow (WFB and NR with their urge to purge) Conservatives got the neo-parasite and started "conserving" in the sense of someone with constipation or worse, an intestinal blockage.

Blogger Human Animal July 26, 2016 6:16 PM  

Here are some inne cent niglets for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMW9GEy8iZQ

Nothing keeps you visiting the gym like chimping caught on camera.

There was a fantastic interview with a swedish woman on red ice radio talking about the old gods and how the fit Sweden better cause they gave role models to the people.

I preferred the interview with the Douglas Dietrich, where he talks about the first army officer to use occult ceremonies as cost effective perimiter defense in Viet Nam.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 6:54 PM  

@121 Leox

It's about the content of the speech--is one a "moderate" if one doesn't support racist gorilla tweets at a black actress? Is that tactic to be cheered as leading to a great win in the culture war?
---

I think it would make everything a lot better if you go ahead and adapt some black kids and marry a Mexican wife.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 26, 2016 6:55 PM  

No, he just failed to adapt to his audience. Fucking rhetoric, dialectic, dolorectic, how do they work? No, he just failed to adapt to his audience. Fucking rhetoric, dialectic, dolorectic, how do they work? (I don't wanna talk to a scientist, y'all motherfuckers lying and gettin' me pissed.)


Then the word you are looking for is clearly diuretic.

Blogger vashine July 26, 2016 6:56 PM  

When did the voices of "conservatism" become such intellectual lightweights?

Anonymous Just Sayin' July 26, 2016 6:59 PM  

Constitutional conservatism is so dumb, it's almost like someone else invented an ideology for them so they could keep losing forever.

They've developed such a rigid and limited conception of what qualifies as a conservative, that most of the population is excluded by default. When they said "Donald Trump is not a conservative", a lot of people said "well, I guess I'm not conservative either".

And how do you do "outreach to open minded Democrats" when becoming conservative requires rigid adherence to a dogmatic set of beliefs about a document and set of governing principles that our government hasn't adhered to in DECADES. It's more like a cult than a political philosophy.

How did these guys ever get a whole party for themselves? The Alt-Right has a much broader appeal.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 26, 2016 7:05 PM  

Constitutional conservatism is so dumb, it's almost like someone else invented an ideology for them so they could keep losing forever.

It is the ghost dance of white men.

Anonymous SciVo July 26, 2016 7:06 PM  

Eric the Red wrote:What Klavan says is at first seductive

Really? He lost me at the 25th word.

Once you observe the anti-native-European tendency to wordblur "authoritarian" as a purely rhetorical deduction from "nationalist", it's impossible to stop noticing. (FWIW, that particular lie is a stereotypically Jewish verbal tic.)

Blogger Austin Ballast July 26, 2016 7:12 PM  

tz wrote:@146, not societal pressure, the NRA. Have you never heard the term "Shotgun Weddings"? Fathers used to be more protective (even if retroactively).



The father could be more of a factor then. Now they are locked up if they dare step in the way.

All those who call for more marriage need to deal with the female-led divorce factor first.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 7:13 PM  

@123 Al From Bay Shore
Not sure if that made sense. I did my best.
---

In my roundabout way, I was saying I don't think the alt-right is completely defined yet.

In regards to your response, I have met a few black people who have similar viewpoints to yours. There might be enough to start a wing of the alt right, or a fellow travelling movement of your own.

There are many things to agree on with both, if anybody on either side were willing to listen.

Anonymous Clay July 26, 2016 7:20 PM  

You hate "Conservatism" VD.

What's your alternative?

I'm sure you've expounded on it before...but, given the current State Of Affairs, let's rehash.

Anonymous Just Sayin' July 26, 2016 7:22 PM  

I don't want to get into a Christian vs something else debate, but I'll just observe one thing:

Today's Christianity is quite literally inviting in and advocating for the Muslims who behead them. This strain of Christianity has dominated all institutions, the crusader kind is relegated to obscure blogs.

If you don't want to lose the youth to esoteric vishnu worship or whatever, you need to conduct some major reforms. I recommend working on that part where women are silent in the churches.

The younger part of the Alt-Right is SIGNIFICANTLY non-Christian because of the above.

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 7:22 PM  

says Leox, as she falls on her fainting couch

BigGaySteve's Used Fainting Couches & Lightly Pearls is having a discount on bariatric couches, use coupon code CUCK

The outcome of that war will be dictatorship. "Your" dictator may be better than "their" dictator

Not only did MILO and I get pardons already but I will get to push leftists out of the Pinochet Helicopter.

What's your alternative? I'm sure you've expounded on it before...but, given the current State Of Affairs, let's rehash

It would be nice if he wrote a book, call it something like Cuckservative.

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 7:23 PM  

That's supposed to be Lightly Clutched Pearls

Blogger Elocutioner July 26, 2016 7:27 PM  

@121 Leox

It's about the content of the speech--is one a "moderate" if one doesn't support racist gorilla tweets at a black actress? Is that tactic to be cheered as leading to a great win in the culture war?
---

She just a po' black actress, she dindu nuffin'. Other than build a career as a nasty black "comedian" telling racist jokes and harassing and inciting her mob of followers to harass people then running to Jack as the victim.

So, yes, it makes you a contemptible moderate, at best, for sniping your own side for responding in kind while defending one of the enemy's culture warriors.

And, for the record, she looks like Buckwheat on a steady diet of soy.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/20/double-standards-leslie-jones-racist-twitter-history/

Blogger Human Animal July 26, 2016 7:30 PM  

It is the ghost dance of white men.

Yes.

Once you observe the anti-native-European tendency to wordblur "authoritarian" as a purely rhetorical deduction from "nationalist", it's impossible to stop noticing. (FWIW, that particular lie is a stereotypically Jewish verbal tic.)

Once detected, the (((coincidence))) cannot be undetected.

Blogger vashine July 26, 2016 7:40 PM  

Leox needs to re-read the part where Jesus calls a woman a dog, whilst not even bothering to look at her.

Leox, and other Churchianity types, would scream and wail that such a thing is so "not what Jesus would do", yet, it is exactly what Jesus did. Jesus threw out some major insults, some hard words, offensive stuff... because, Truth. She was a dog, then repented and openly recognized His Kingship, and He turned and said she just earned the Kingdom of God.

Black actresses who run their mouths about "whitey this and oh-shit-white-people-that", whilst being part of an industry and a particular movie that pushes a sick, depraved, and anti-white, anti-Christian feminist ideology... deserves the public scorn she attracted.

Cucks and churchians don't realize how much they're actually scorned by our enemies. These actresses and actors are not just innocent bystanders who happen to take YUGE paychecks from Hollywood, Christ-hating scum. They're getting the roles and the paychecks because they've proven themselves to be part of the team. Outside of the obvious exceptions, the rest fall in line. And they hate us.

To be "nice" to them as they work to line us up for the slaughter, is not charity, it's not justice, and it's not Christian. Devil of Vipers.

Anonymous Godfrey July 26, 2016 7:41 PM  

The anti-Trump crowd

Can anyone here remember a time conservatives showed so much energy? Anyone? Obamacare? Homosexual "marriage"? The Ginsburg nomination? Common-Core? Partial-birth abortion? When's the last time you ever observed such energy?

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 7:41 PM  

It's not bad words or crude language that I'm talking about here. It's about the content of the speech--is one a "moderate" if one doesn't support racist gorilla tweets at a black actress? Is that tactic to be cheered as leading to a great win in the culture war?

Yes, you're a moderate, you're a worse than useless moderate, because you are tone-policing and shooting at your own side. You don't have to "support" such tweets or "cheer" such tactics or even think about them at all. What you need to do, if you are genuinely #AltRight, is shut the fuck up and stop trying to get in the way of the people who are actually on the attack.


Now, wat part of "we don't want you and we don't need you" did you not understand? Take your idiot tone-policing rhetoric, stick it up your fat ass, and run off for a nice long self-pitying cry like a good cucky.

Blogger Jew613 July 26, 2016 7:44 PM  

Vox, what's the Italian equivalent to the American Alt Right?

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 7:45 PM  

You hate "Conservatism" VD. What's your alternative?

I don't hate it, I have contempt for its ineffectual nature and its inept adherents, that's all.

Christian Nationalism is my alternative.

The Constitution is dead. We can support its ideals and its purpose, which is defending the unalienable rights of the white American posterity of the Founding Fathers, but we cannot continue to fetishize it. It is a completely dead letter and it is absolutely disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 7:45 PM  

Vox, what's the Italian equivalent to the American Alt Right?

Lega Nord. To a lesser extent, Movimento Cinque Stelle.

Anonymous Godfrey July 26, 2016 7:46 PM  

American politics is just like pro-wrestling.

The conservatives play the part of the faux-opposition.

They're scared because people have caught on to the act.

Blogger Roger G2 July 26, 2016 7:53 PM  

Damn. I've always liked his videos where he ridiculed the libs, but this....ugh, he should stick to making videos where he ridicules the libs.

Anonymous Mister M July 26, 2016 7:56 PM  

Klavan reminds me of why I bailed from the "conservative" pajamas media in 2012. I used to read VD Hanson's column. I was looking forward to VDH pushing the obviousness of the Ron Paul candidacy, as he hit all the (what i thought at the time) conservative high notes. When it didn't happen, I started to see the glimmer of what would be called cuckservatism. I found it strange at the time, funny how now it's so obvious.

Blogger Sheila4g July 26, 2016 7:59 PM  

The big disconnect, for Klavan and all other TruCons, particularly those who are ethnically Jewish, is that they refuse to include nationalism among their holy conservative principles. For Jews/neocohens by definition, nationalism = anti-semitism, therefore it's badthink. Sure, they'll make noises about free trade or mean language or even purportedly "authoritarian" tendencies, but what scares the crap out of them is any form of nationalism. Even Trump's broad, multiracial, soft American nationalism is racist and evil, let alone White nationalism in its various incarnations.

Obviously, if people start pursuing questions of identity, and what makes for common interests and coherent societies, today's shibboleths are going to come into question, and then we find Boas redefining race out of meaning or existence and ordered, White thinking condemned as rigid authoritarianism, and the nuclear family as patriarchal oppression. While there are plenty of traitors of all persuasions around, one will inevitably find a Jew (by ethnicity - all here know not to play the "He's not a real Jew, he's an atheist" game)at the forefront of any movement aimed at redefining/destroying the foundations of Western civilization.

It must also be noted that while Klavan is a Christian, he still maintains an ethnic Jewish sense of identity and thought. With all due respect to the Rabbi who comments here, Christian faith coupled with a Jewish identity is still very different from America's historical non-explicit Christian cultural identity. Jewish cultural identity, even when combined with Christian faith, inevitably leads to conflict. Religion does NOT trump cultural/racial identity. Nigerian Christians are still Nigerians, and those Catholic priests of Jewish ethnicity who entered the Catholic hierarchy, did conscious and deliberate damage to that institution. Even if it was not malice aforethought, it was still with an eye to fundamentally altering and redefining something to make it more comfortable for themselves, and thereby less comfortable and natural for its original people.

As Vox has repeatedly noted, genuine assimilation ultimately means intermarriage and generations of time, until one's descendants assume a different identity. One may have no direct genetic link to America's founders, but by adopting their beliefs and creeds and living by their values, and marrying into their people and subsuming any prior identity into an explicitly embraced American one, one may become an American by adoption. Any other deliberately maintained ethnic or cultural identity will, by definition, conflict with this and render one NOT an American. Jews (not to mention Hindus or Chinese) reject this, and therefore only rarely truly become part of the American polity.

Anonymous Kapper July 26, 2016 8:00 PM  

Memo to Andrew Klavan:

Invade the world-Invite the world-In hock to the world as "conservative" policy is why your on your way out.

(I think it was Steve Sailer who came up with that quote)

OpenID ymarsakar July 26, 2016 8:02 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Ymarsakar,

We're Men of the West. We're broken sinners but for the sake of Jesus Christ. Champions of righteousness? We do the best we can. We don't need you. Bare the neck if you must, but get out of our way.


You will find your resources sorely taxed against Islamic Jihad and the Leftist alliance, two religions which have received direct aid from divine level entities, call them Allah, Lucifer, doesn't really matter. If your Lord and King was actually Jesus Christ, Stg, that might not matter, but if you only pretend to have a connection to the divine because of falling for human con schemes (Roman Catholics and various other heresies), then I question if your actions are truly in the service of Jesus Christ. You could call yourself a loyal servant of God and Jesus, but even the Jews back in the coming of the Messiah in 1st AD Christendom thought their Torah and laws of precedence were greater than the promised Messiah's words. The Jews had fallen into heresy and apostasy, no longer adhering to the Covenant or Moses' law. They claim they are godly, but once you investigate their actions, they do everything they can to contest the Christian Messiah, Christ's mission on earth.


VD wrote:No, they're not. This evil is not solely human.

Normally I would go into where 1st AD Christendom authority came from or about went off the tracks sometime later, but there's a word limit here. Theology is too word heavy. But suffice it to say that various Christian "churches" are closer to heretics and apostates. That's been the case for awhile, when Christianity was a state religion. Islam, also a state religion for nearly all of its history, minus the Sufi heretics and the Yazidi.

If this is true evil, then why didn't your god tell you about it before 2012, Vox Day? Why didn't you, recognize that the Leftist alliance existed and was evil, that they were sabotaging Iraq and allying with Islam? Far as I know, VoxDay was collaborating with Leftists at Tor. Why not, it's not like writing or editing books for a company is going to destroy Western civilization. Until you found out that the Left's hands reached rather far, even into Italy or Europe. (Islam certainly reached the Germany girls' panties)

To use a non American example, Jean De Arc received a direct divine message, by certain accounts. She was told to save France, for whatever reason, against the English contesting the French crown (with Burgundian allies that got pissed cause the French assassinated their duke). If Christians are still obedient and in communication with their Lord/King/God, then they should have received a divine inspiration, a minor miracle, before the Left's evil had gotten out in the open.

The fact that only a few people recognized what the Left were doing in Iraq, that they were evil, before 2012, speaks volumes about just how strong "Christian" connection to their god is. Either the spiritual connection to the god head is almost dead weak, or the god you worship isn't the god of Jesus Christ. As for the modern Christian god no longer being the god of miracles... I consider that another heresy. If God is not eternal/unchanging, then it's pointless to call that entity God, might as well call them nature spirits and worship that. It's far more likely miracles don't happen because Christians no longer have the spiritual connection, the Holy Ghost. Which calls into question whether they are really Christians: direct disciples of Christ.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 8:12 PM  

ymarsakar wrote:I consider that another heresy.

I'm sure you do. I'm sure you have God all figured out, band since what you've figured out doesn't agree with any rational b=person on the planet, we must all be heretics.

Hate to let you in on the little secret, but it's probably time. We All Think You're a Poser, a Heretic, and a Posturing Fool.

Btw, miracles do happen. They happen on a daily basis. I've witnessed a couple my own self. There is literally NO Christian denomination which claims they don't. Except you. You're special.

For what it's worth, I think you're an Atheist trying to do a TruChristian(tm) impersonation, and failing horribly at it because you don't know what Christians believe, or how we think.

Bad Troll, would not engage, 2/10

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 26, 2016 8:12 PM  

@184 'Roman Catholics and various other heresies'.

Can Someone buy this retard a dictionary?

Anonymous Hoyos July 26, 2016 8:15 PM  

I'm way he hell to late to the party but here goes...

Christianity permits all tactics that have been shown to actually work. David uses spies, lays ambushes, works with the philistines, sends his servant to deceive his enemies, and physically mutilates some of his enemies to make a point. Solomon has a man killed in the temple and Paul uses Roman law to his advantage. Guerilla warfare all throughout Joshua and Judges.

Now, retaliating against innocents and deliberating murdering children is off the table (yes I know about OT genocide, the Jews got special instructions for that, which implies it's not a standard, it's the exception that proves the rule).

But I hope this illustrates to my brothers that all the NatSocs who think they can win by being nastier than the left confuse nastiness with winning. Bombing Dresden was nasty and didn't do a damn thing.

So yeah, there are ethical limits, but they're out beyond the pale of what is actually necessary to defend civilization. But if you're looking for an excuse to be a piece of shit, defending civilization works as well as anything else.

Let's see how far legit takes us before we start in on justifications for genocide. Shit.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 8:15 PM  

@177 the Constitution, being a piece of parchement, was never alive so cannot be dead.

I speak of the original, not Ginsberg's unstable living document that says plastic surgery clinics can be regulated to the utmost detail but abortion clinics can be cesspools.

However in order to restore it to the foundation will require utterly destroying those who would seek to subvert, redefine, or ignore it.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 26, 2016 8:18 PM  

When did the voices of "conservatism" become such intellectual lightweights?

To use the example of NRO, somewhere between the purge of Sobran and the ascendancy of Goldberg.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 26, 2016 8:32 PM  

fop wrote:Saving depraved people only means more depravity. See french revolution.
In other words, you justify the replacement of Americans with others deemed "less depraved", like "Mexican family values".  Go away, cuck.

mushroom wrote:I compared progressives to those who hasten the rotting of a corpse whereas conservatives are taxidermists. We don't need either one. We need life from the dead.
Compost Everything.

Blogger James Dixon July 26, 2016 8:34 PM  

> We don't need either one. We need life from the dead.

There's only been one person who's shown the ability to offer that.

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 8:34 PM  

If this is true evil, then why didn't your god tell you about it before 2012, Vox Day? Why didn't you, recognize that the Leftist alliance existed and was evil, that they were sabotaging Iraq and allying with Islam? Far as I know, VoxDay was collaborating with Leftists at Tor. Why not, it's not like writing or editing books for a company is going to destroy Western civilization. Until you found out that the Left's hands reached rather far, even into Italy or Europe.

I did, you ignoramus. I have never collaborated with Tor Books in any way. In fact, their top science fiction executive has been publicly attacking me, unprovoked, since 2005.

You quite clearly don't know who I am or what I have been writing for the last 15 years. I suggest you shut up and stop commenting here until you get caught up.

Blogger Groot July 26, 2016 8:36 PM  

I like Klavan, but he evinces "genre blindness" here: This is politics, and the opponents are not honorable. Combat pragmatism is the order of the day.

"Will Turner: You ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I'd kill you.
"Jack Sparrow: Then that's not much incentive for me to fight fair, now is it?"
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl

or,

"Borel, as he lay dying: 'Oh, basely done!'
"Corwin: 'This isn't exactly the Olympic games.'"
The Chronicles of Amber

Blogger James Dixon July 26, 2016 8:40 PM  

> As for the modern Christian god no longer being the god of miracles... I consider that another heresy.

It's not a heresy. It's simply false. Miracles, large and small happen all the time.

Anonymous cheddarman July 26, 2016 8:45 PM  

I want the battle standard of the Cross of Christ to win again,
like it did with the Holy League at Lepanto
with Jan Sobieski at the Gates of Vienna
with Charles Martel at Tours
with pope John Paul II against the Soviet Union

Anonymous Cheddarman channeling a little bit of John Wright July 26, 2016 8:54 PM  

The fact that only a few people recognized what the Left were doing in Iraq, that they were evil, before 2012, speaks volumes about just how strong "Christian" connection to their god is. Either the spiritual connection to the god head is almost dead weak, or the god you worship isn't the god of Jesus Christ. As for the modern Christian god no longer being the god of miracles... I consider that another heresy.


Pope John Paul II came out before the invasion of Iraq and said it was going to be a terrible tragedy.And how many Catholics does he represent?

so shut your whining pie hole

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 26, 2016 9:03 PM  

VD wrote:Christendom is cancer. Pure and evil cancer. It is not a religion of white people. It is an Arabian religion which was imported. There was a fantastic interview with a swedish woman on red ice radio talking about the old gods and how the fit Sweden better cause they gave role models to the people. A mother goddess, a warrior god and so forth. Christianity gives us a father figure and nothing else. Christianity was the first step to install the big father idea into people which at some point evolved into big father-state.

You don't know your religious history. And Christianity is part of Western civilization. You pagan Scandinavians weren't civilized without it.

Now, set your anger with Daddy aside and focus on the problem at hand. Christianity is not your problem. At the very least, it is your most powerful ally.


Christianity isn't any Heathens enemy until it is . Its obviously much better than Islam though and better than the Cathedral.

That said, Heathens like Patriarchal figures just fine, the All Father and Pater Iupiter run their respective pantheons. It does seem to me a lot of Wiccans have daddy issues though. They aren't Heathens however and at least among Folkish Heathens at least really even allies .

Not that either tiny group matters much and the Wiccans, with a few exceptions are all Cathedral people anyway.

As for Christianity being the salvation, we are really screwed if that is the case. Every White nation is growing less Christian by the day and even the East which is massively more religious is very low fertility.Very low.

Ironically Scandinavian Whites, nearly entirely non religious, feminists, don't do marriage have among the highest fertility rates and minus kebab/cans , would have a basically completely safe society and very possibly with a small push slight population growth

Also not helpful here the two natal Christian factions, Evangelicals and L.D.S are mutual enemies, both are often run by cucks too. If it goes stroppy, they might go to war.

The vast majority of Christians are not White and unless new Christendom is tied to European racial identity, it will just end up the Cathedral 2.0 with less sodomy, abortion and divorce. A small improvement but hardly a victory.

Remember of the 2.2 billion Christians maybe 1/3 are European by race and of those most are professed or social Christians and only 1/4 or less go to church often .

In any case, civilization doesn't require Christendom as Heathens can keep a civilization just fine . The Romans did a good job all in all, lasted a rather long time .So can secularists. Whether we want that is another thing entirely but it can work.

Blogger Human Animal July 26, 2016 9:09 PM  

the Constitution, being a piece of parchement, was never alive so cannot be dead.

I think "dead" here means it has no more power over American politics than an opinion poll - a poll taken of "old, dead, white dudes" who left some Americans more than others in the will. Still, people will appeal to the Founding Grandpas for nostalgia.

And Subvert is the right word.

The lawless wielding law is like soldiers fighting without uniforms: They deserve whatever comes to them.

Blogger praetorian July 26, 2016 9:21 PM  

Christendom is cancer. Pure and evil cancer. It is not a religion of white people. It is an Arabian religion which was imported.

That's a nice bit of D&C ya got there, schlomo.

Shame if anyone were to ignore it.

Deus Vult.

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