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Friday, July 22, 2016

Hillary picks Sen. Kaine (D-VA)

The Lizard Queen has chosen her running mate:
Hillary Clinton named U.S. Senator Tim Kaine as her running mate on Friday, making a safe choice that will help her present the Democratic ticket as a steady alternative to the unpredictable campaign of Republican presidential rival Donald Trump.

The selection of Kaine, a self-described "boring" Virginian with wide governing experience and a reputation for low-key competence, could appeal to independents and moderates but is likely to anger liberal groups who object to his advocacy for an Asian free-trade pact.

But the Spanish-speaking former Virginia governor and Richmond mayor fits Clinton's long-stated criteria that the vice presidential choice be a capable partner who is ready to take over the presidency if necessary.
Just on the optics alone, those two are going to look pathetic compared to Trump and Pence. She had to go moderate, of course, but I doubt Kaine will do much to win back the whites she needs. Whereas Pence was a 7/10 pick, Kaine is 4/10 at best.

Of course, she was handicapped by the need to pick a harmless little guy who wouldn't overshadow her and make her look like his mother-in-law or his retired secretary when he stood next to her.

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Anonymous andon July 22, 2016 8:58 PM  

I thought for sure it would be a brown VP

Blogger Michael Maier July 22, 2016 9:00 PM  

She probably thought BLM would whack her to have a black pres.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 22, 2016 9:00 PM  

I have lost my edge for these things.

I would have sworn on a stack of bibles and lost a lot of money by betting on...Corey Booker.

I should have known better. Tim Kaine is the 2016 version of Al Gore. Of course the Clintons picked him.

Blogger frenchy July 22, 2016 9:01 PM  

Kaine was a piece of crap as Va Governor. Would not exonerate the Norfolk 7 even though evidence proved they got set up. Coward was more worried about his reputation than justice, so he only commuted their sentences they should not have gotten in the first place. Ran up the Va debt after Warner had given us a surplus. And this POS tried to take advantage of the Va Tech shooting and give us more gun control. And oh boy did he try.

I'm glad she picked him. Most of us Virginians know how bad he was as governor. He didn't do jack squat for this state. Only Gilmore was worse.

Blogger The Other Robot July 22, 2016 9:02 PM  

Now let the Trumpenkrieg begin!

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 9:03 PM  

Dammit, I as hoping the harpy was going to pick Liawatha.
No matter, she's still going down, and hard.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 22, 2016 9:06 PM  

Xhe should have picked Bernout Saunders

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 22, 2016 9:07 PM  

The Kaine Train is back on the tracks!

Anonymous glenintenn July 22, 2016 9:07 PM  

she must breed

Anonymous Filmowl July 22, 2016 9:11 PM  

Exactly what is "unpredictable" about Trumps campaign? His messaging has been consistent on all the major issues.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 22, 2016 9:12 PM  

Cute couple. Yeesh.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 22, 2016 9:17 PM  

frenchy wrote:Kaine was a piece of crap as Va Governor. Would not exonerate the Norfolk 7 even though evidence proved they got set up. Coward was more worried about his reputation than justice, so he only commuted their sentences they should not have gotten in the first place. Ran up the Va debt after Warner had given us a surplus. And this POS tried to take advantage of the Va Tech shooting and give us more gun control. And oh boy did he try.

I'm glad she picked him. Most of us Virginians know how bad he was as governor. He didn't do jack squat for this state. Only Gilmore was worse.


Ditto that. As a fellow Commonwealth resident, I don't think he puts VA in play for her. He's a southern Democrat. So Pence needs to go hard and fast after him.

Personally, I think this is such a weak move for her. Mark Warner is more popular and arguably more seasoned as a politician.

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 22, 2016 9:17 PM  

In other news, David Duke is running for the Louisiana Senate.

(((Jimmies rustled)))

I couldn't even imagine something like this a year ago.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 22, 2016 9:20 PM  

What, exactly, is the use of David Duke?
The lefties blame him for everything, blah blah.
But has he earned that or just a convenient scape goat?

Anonymous Minion 0172 July 22, 2016 9:20 PM  

Booker never had a chance. The guy has an Beta Plus personality. With the exception of the hound dog she needed for her advancement, Hillary has always surrounded herself with gamma and lesser males.

Anonymous andon July 22, 2016 9:20 PM  

who is the better debater, Kaine or Pence?

Anonymous lostinsauce July 22, 2016 9:21 PM  

I attended Boy's State of Virginia as a high schooler; Tim Kaine was the Lt. Governor at the time and was an invited speaker. Even in the eyes of a naive 17-year-old he came across as slimy, and he has confirmed my first impression of him ever since. He'll do his assigned job of making confirmed old liberals feel good about themselves, but nothing more.

Anonymous Rolf July 22, 2016 9:21 PM  

@5 - So she might lose VA because she picked her VP from the state? That would be neat. It would really sting and add insult to ego injury on her November loss to be able to do that.

Blogger Doom July 22, 2016 9:22 PM  

Wait, which one are you calling the retired secretary?

:p

Blogger Dexter July 22, 2016 9:22 PM  

Kaine will probably beat Pence in the VP debate for whatever that's worth.

Blogger slarrow July 22, 2016 9:22 PM  

Per Scott Adams, "Hillary needs a Kaine" isn't the most vigorous visual image.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 22, 2016 9:24 PM  

frenchy wrote:Kaine was a piece of crap as Va Governor. Would not exonerate the Norfolk 7 even though evidence proved they got set up. Coward was more worried about his reputation than justice, so he only commuted their sentences they should not have gotten in the first place. Ran up the Va debt after Warner had given us a surplus. And this POS tried to take advantage of the Va Tech shooting and give us more gun control. And oh boy did he try.

I'm glad she picked him. Most of us Virginians know how bad he was as governor. He didn't do jack squat for this state. Only Gilmore was worse.


I wouldn't say so necessarily. He only won his senate seat because George Allen got wrapped up in lib lies about being a racist and couldn't shake it. He's not well spoken.

Blogger The Other Robot July 22, 2016 9:31 PM  

make her look like his mother-in-law or his retired secretary when he stood next to her.

I think you misspelled retarded.

Blogger haus frau July 22, 2016 9:31 PM  

@6 Dammit, I as hoping the harpy was going to pick Liawatha.
No matter, she's still going down, and hard.

I would have been very surprised. Fauxcahontas is much more popular than Clinton is. Hillary doesn't want competition.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 22, 2016 9:32 PM  

Hillary got a white guy accessory?
How SJW of xer.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 22, 2016 9:32 PM  

Why?

Spanish-speaking

Get ready to hear the first vice presidential candidate speak almost exclusively in another language throughout a campaign. It's pathetic and shows why Team Clinton is such a huge, orange pant-suited target.

Blogger ZhukovG July 22, 2016 9:33 PM  

@12 I don't think Mark Warner would have accepted the offer. He's got a fair chance of getting a shot at the Presidency himself and association with Hillary Clinton would not help.

Mark Warner kind of strikes me as a Bill Clinton minus the corruption and trail of bodies. If Trump is successful, I'd look for Warner to assume a more populist/nationalist image himself.

Blogger Pseudotsuga July 22, 2016 9:34 PM  

So is Kaine an Affirmative Action pick? No--He's white and male?!
Hills gotta check her privilege...

Anonymous andon July 22, 2016 9:34 PM  

I thought David Duke was living in Austria

Blogger slarrow July 22, 2016 9:34 PM  

For that matter, HillaryKaine sounds like a cheap knock-off drug you'd take when going to the dentist.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 9:35 PM  

13. Takin' a Look July 22, 2016 9:17 PM

"In other news, David Duke is running for the Louisiana Senate"
He's not going to win, There far better GOP candidates in the race, and the f.u aspect he brings to the table might get him 2-3% in the primary at best.

Blogger 1337kestrel July 22, 2016 9:37 PM  

Two ladies running together would create the wrong narrative.

Hillary and Fauxcahontas would be even worse than two ladies.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 22, 2016 9:38 PM  

frenchy wrote:Kaine was a piece of crap as Va Governor. Would not exonerate the Norfolk 7 even though evidence proved they got set up. Coward was more worried about his reputation than justice, so he only commuted their sentences they should not have gotten in the first place. Ran up the Va debt after Warner had given us a surplus. And this POS tried to take advantage of the Va Tech shooting and give us more gun control. And oh boy did he try.

I'm glad she picked him. Most of us Virginians know how bad he was as governor. He didn't do jack squat for this state. Only Gilmore was worse.


Oh sure. He's too smooth. My father has meet the man and says he's got that kind of charisma that made Bill famous.

What truly shocks me is that Hillary didn't rope in someone hispanic.

Blogger Raghnall Ó Mordha July 22, 2016 9:38 PM  

Kaine and Unable

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 9:40 PM  

"Kaine will probably beat Pence in the VP debate for whatever that's worth."
You ever him yap before, Dexter ?
He makes Jeb sound like a Pentecostal preacher at a tent revival.

Blogger tz July 22, 2016 9:41 PM  

Spanish speaking white straight cis male.

You're so Kaine:

You walked into the party like you were walking onto her plane
Your hat strategically dipped below one eye
Your tie it was demo-blue
You had one eye in the mirror as you watched people say "who?"
And all the peeps screamed that you're Hilly's partner
your Hilly's partner, and...

You're so Kaine, you probably think this song is about you
You're so Kaine, I'll bet you think this song is about you
Don't you? Don't You?

Blogger Johnny July 22, 2016 9:42 PM  

Seems like she wants somebody who is not better looking than she is.

Blogger tz July 22, 2016 9:45 PM  

Sugar (daddy) Kaine...
Kaine? Mutiny!
Kaine and Fable.
Candy Kaine.
The Crook tops the Kaine (think Shepherd's crook).
Qui Chang Kaine has kung fu?

Blogger tz July 22, 2016 9:47 PM  

The privilege check bounced.

Blogger Lazarus July 22, 2016 9:52 PM  

Per hollywood pop culture couple speak we have Killary or Haine versus Trence or Pump.

I like Killary versus Pump best.

Anonymous #8601 July 22, 2016 9:52 PM  

WTF, I was looking fwd to Fauxcahontas.

Blogger Lazarus July 22, 2016 9:57 PM  

Or is it Dike vs Tillary, or Monald versus Him.

Its all so confusing.

Blogger Lazarus July 22, 2016 9:57 PM  

#8601 wrote:WTF, I was looking fwd to Fauxcahontas.

You can always do a write-in vote.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 22, 2016 10:04 PM  

Warner always worried me...because he would be damned hard to beat.

Kaine? I don't live in Virginia, but it's been trending Democrat as they pack in more Federal Government employees, especially into the welfare agencies (DOD has a very different culture). Hopefully, it's a sign of desperation.

Anonymous chedddarman July 22, 2016 10:09 PM  

Just saw him on the tube, he has gay cuckface syndrome.

Blogger GFR July 22, 2016 10:14 PM  

Sanders, Fauxcahontas, Castro, or Booker would have made stronger tickets - but I think she chose Kaine for the same reason that Obama chose biden - she needed someone who wouldn't overshadow her.
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That's the principal reason they only let bill out of his box once a month..
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Even so I'd bet even money that Hillary throws a lamp at Kaine's head before the campaign ends.
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Bad choice for Hillary, good choice for Trump - better choice for America.

Anonymous Andrew E. July 22, 2016 10:19 PM  

The pick is terrible for Hillary and was entirely forced upon her by Trump. I'll bet the Dems and Hillary wanted nothing more than to go with an up and coming minority to take maximum advantage of the demographic changes. But they crunched the numbers and saw what Trump was doing with white turnout and their models told them they needed to go white. And Kaine was probably 3rd or 4th on the list. No one with a potential political future wants anything to do with Hillary. That's my take.

Anonymous johnc July 22, 2016 10:20 PM  

The talking heads on CNN say that she picked this guy to help shore up support among white men. Based on what I've seen of him and his mannerisms, I don't think he's going to be appealing to many men, especially since we're living in serious times. This isn't the '90s anymore.

It's amazing how they think they can just pick up a certain demographic by choosing somebody from that same demographic.

Blogger GFR July 22, 2016 10:22 PM  

@47 That may be their analysis but I think it's flawed. How many White people are going to choose Kaine over Trump? Or Kaine over Pence?

Anonymous Case July 22, 2016 10:23 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0diJNybk0Mw

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 22, 2016 10:29 PM  

While not a resident of the Commonwealth, being in the PDR of MD does get you uncomfortably close to VA a lot. I remember hearing his warm up speech for Dear Leader back in '08, and I've got to tell you, I picked up nothing but smarm from this douche.

What makes it even worse is that he's catholic (yes, the lowercase is intentional). For as much as he supports child murder, there's no way in hell any sane Catholic can support this ticket. And by sane, I mean neo-conservatives and Traditionalists, excluding sedevacantists.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 22, 2016 10:30 PM  

It's amazing how they think they can just pick up a certain demographic by choosing somebody from that same demographic

It has worked with lower overall IQ demographics. This is an epic fail if geared toward white men. My guess it was targeted toward Spanish-speaking Hispanics, and given the messenger also is an epic fail.

All that said, I don't think the Veep can do anything but hurt a presidential candidate. This actually could hurt if minorities get butt hurt, too.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 10:32 PM  

44. Napoleon 12pdr July 22, 2016 10:04 PM

"Warner always worried me...because he would be damned hard to beat."
You are jokin' right ?
Joe Biden looks like Socrates compared to Faux -faux.
She don't a bit more relate to Latrina de Sheboon than the man in the moon. She's not a nubian in real life , just plays one when she got to. Her antics at the gun-grabber sit-in as of late proves my point.

Kaine, even less.
Trump 'em !

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 10:39 PM  











"Just saw him on the tube, he has gay cuckface syndrome."
He is what he is , cheddarman.
A more accurate observation of Timmah will you not find.
Kudos.

Blogger Retrenched July 22, 2016 10:42 PM  

If Hillary wins then Kaine will almost certainly finish her term. I dont see her health holding up for another four years.

Blogger newanubis July 22, 2016 10:48 PM  

Crafty!

Blogger Rusty Fife July 22, 2016 10:48 PM  

He's from Virginia? Not Langley is it?

We are looking at our new CIA President. Hillary get's whacked, Kaine gets the goodwill ala Kennedy/LBJ, and the Democrat/CIA/AIC complex gets it's President in a landslide. ;P

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 10:50 PM  

I'm looking forward to her strokin' out in the debate. ( I personaly believe she will only agree to one, reluctantly ) Or an epilectic barkin' fit, either one works for me.

Anonymous Andrew E. July 22, 2016 10:51 PM  

@47 That may be their analysis but I think it's flawed. How many White people are going to choose Kaine over Trump? Or Kaine over Pence?

I guess I'm saying their numbers people are telling Hillary's handlers that they probably can't win going full diversity (ie. anti-white). Trump is driving out the monster vote and they've got to find a way to peel it off and hope their payments to the minority shills are sufficient to get needed minority turnout.

Kaine was not their first choice to do this. They're finding their options limited. That is, Trump has already trapped them into a corner.

Blogger scottb July 22, 2016 10:52 PM  

Dude has a very generic child molester face. Show me on the doll where the governor touched you

Anonymous andon July 22, 2016 10:57 PM  

OT: interesting stuff over on Wikileaks twitter feed

hillary says "keep the people ignorant"

Blogger frenchy July 22, 2016 10:58 PM  

@44,

The thing I remember about Warner was that he knew what to sign and not to sign. Mind you, I was military overseas and only loosely tracking what he did, but he signed every freaking pro-gun measure that crossed his desk (that I'm aware of).

He was the one who signed off on getting rid of that one pistol a month policy Wilder gave us.

But then, when he became a senator, he kinda drank the kool aid and went full democrat. Kinda sad since I figured from his success as governor he would be a good replacement to the other Warner--Chuck: bought and paid for, IMO, by the defense industry. He just seems like another member of the establishment at this point.

And remember, Virginia is not for Lovers, it's for taxes.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 10:58 PM  

60. scottb July 22, 2016 10:52 PM
"Dude has a very generic child molester face. Show me on the doll where the governor touched you"
Gold, friggin gold I tell ya.

Anonymous SciVo July 22, 2016 10:58 PM  

johnc wrote:It's amazing how they think they can just pick up a certain demographic by choosing somebody from that same demographic.

It was a safe choice, because white men are at worst the second choice of everyone, and even preferred by many who aren't one. Compared to any other demo, we have the best overall reputation for competence, ethics & impartiality (no one else comes close on the last one).

Though SJWs are loathe to admit it, that's the real reason why we still dominate elected office beyond our numbers. It took some real choke artists to lose to Obama, and Hillary lost to him.

In the unlikely event that anyone wants my advice, it would be stop paying attention after the Democrat convention, or you can drive yourself crazy with details that don't really matter in the end.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 22, 2016 10:59 PM  

Trump is driving out the monster vote and they've got to find a way to peel it off and hope their payments to the minority shills are sufficient to get needed minority turnout.

The apparent theory is Kaine can peel off just enough white votes and Spanish-speaking Hispanics who lean Republican to win. I can see this back-fire, big time.

Anonymous fred July 22, 2016 11:00 PM  

This is fantastic news, and a major downturn for Hitlery.

Trump's choice of Pence was unwise largely for optics reasons: two old-looking, angry-looking white men. Now Hitlery has her own tedious old white guy strapped around her neck. No advantage. Good. It's going to take all the powers in the seven hells to defeat the crookedness of this Dem election; Trump has momentum, but he doesn't yet have a credible ground game, so he has an uphill climb. You could build a very nice set of McMansions on top of all the shredded Trump votes there will be.

But still, this is great, b/c it shows Hillary's disastrously bad judgment.

And I had done a grievous thing,
And it would work 'em woe,
For all averred, I had killed the bird
That made the breeze to blow.
-- Johnny Ramone

Anonymous GJ July 22, 2016 11:02 PM  

OT: I haven't vetted this stuff personally yet, but if true it's Christmas in July, boys and girls. Media collusion, the DNC conspiring to go after Sanders as an atheist, making fake Craigslist Trump adds for "hot" women, etc. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4u5ztv/dnc_email_leak_megathread/

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 11:08 PM  

Twitter feed from King Robbo :
(PARAPHRASING)
Hillbitch : " Not in the pocket of any one. "
Takes six mill from Soros.
If you don't vote TRUMP, you are one pitiful chump.

Blogger dontdispie July 22, 2016 11:09 PM  

I keep waiting for the Ursala the sea witch meme

Blogger Cail Corishev July 22, 2016 11:12 PM  

The VP choices are never all that important, but they seem less so than usual this time, since the main candidates are so well-known and there's such a clear-cut difference between them. It's not like anyone's going to be looking at the VPs for a deciding tie-breaker.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 11:24 PM  

Cail, I want the tie breaker to be Pence, not that lame assed Kaine. So to me, it does make a diff.

Blogger GFR July 22, 2016 11:25 PM  

@70 I still wish Trump had gone with the "Two Pirate" ticket. But it's entirely possible that he knows how to run his campaign better than I do.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados July 22, 2016 11:29 PM  

@65

There's plenty of minority support of Trump, the media just isn't advertising it, but you can see it in the primary turnout data. The DNC scheme to use identity politics to corral in minorities has been unraveling for a while now, and it's finally coming to a head in this election. The DNC is going to lose. Hard. It may actually implode completely in the face of a truly populist, reformed GOP.

Blogger Teri July 22, 2016 11:35 PM  

Hillary had Booker stump for her in CA. I think there were maybe 30 people that showed up. I figured that probably killed his chances.

Blogger Wayne July 22, 2016 11:39 PM  

Given that few politicians are as boring as HRC and she couldn't pick someone more charismatic than herself, the field of choices was quite limited.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 22, 2016 11:44 PM  

@71, I'm saying I can't imagine there will be many people who can't decide between Trump and Clinton, but see a decisive difference between the two white-guy VP candidates they never heard of before this week. I know it's fashionable at this point in the election cycle to say both presidential candidates suck equally and there's no difference between them, but that's just not true; and there won't be many people going in to vote without a strong preference for (or against) one or the other.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 22, 2016 11:45 PM  

@73:

No doubt the communist bean-counters are running a Ponzi scheme. The reference to George Zimmerman as a "white Hispanic" kind of let the cat out of the bag. "Hispanic" is a nebulous, arbitrary, overly broad category to rely upon as a path to victory. A bit of the communist fear emerged in a DNC memo that flat-out said Hispanics were turning "white" too quickly. That was promptly flushed down the memory hole about ten or so years ago. It is no coincidence that Muslim immigration/invasion stepped up soon thereafter. Muslims don't turn white.

Not as successfully flushed down the memory hole was another memo that claimed if the communists lost more than 70 percent of the white vote they were toast. I recently saw Clinton had only about 17 percent of white men. She cannot win with that number based on that formula (which may be bullshit, to be clear), and if they are fucking crazy enough to think Kaine will make any difference, well, thank God.

The more I consider it, the choice of Kaine wasn't safe but desperate. Make sure every memory of your family and your friends are registered and vote. The communists will need to be crushed to avoid a coup or the equivalent thereof.

Blogger GFR July 22, 2016 11:47 PM  

When bill Clinton was running for his first term the liar-press claimed that he was the best candidate because electing him would result in America getting HER as a "bonus".
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There are STILL plenty of democrats who LOVE bill. Picking bill for VP would have been a swing for the fences, but it would have been a really strong ticket if they were confident that bill could keep his pecker in his pants for FOUR (4) months..
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How sad is it that the DNC concluded that they couldn't trust him?

Blogger Josh July 22, 2016 11:49 PM  

Can't believe she didn't pick Booker.

Both parties just picked "generic white guy" as their VPs.

Anonymous Leoburg July 22, 2016 11:51 PM  

Sanders: Not ideological compatible; said mean things; Doesn't need help winning VT.

Booker: Would have let a R name replacement in NJ; Doesn't need help winning NJ

Warren: Would have let a R name replacement in MA; Doesn't need help winning MA

Castro: No name recognition; No FP experience; Wouldn't win TX with him.

Warner: Scandal.

Perez: No help needed with Latinos; unknown. Doesn't bring electoral votes.

Kaine: Wins VA for Clinton. Governing Experience. FP Experience

Anonymous fred July 22, 2016 11:56 PM  

"I recently saw Clinton had only about 17 percent of white men. She cannot win with that number based on that formula"

She doesn't need a formula, she just needs to be a crook, which she already is. The background cast of "The Walking Dead" is already her constituency, and no matter how much popularity and momentum Trump manages to summon, he will lose in a catastrophic landslide, not based on numbers or virtue, but simply on Hitlery's Walking Dead, unless he can put together a very assertive ground game. Poll monitors, vote counters, security, that sort of thing. This election is going to be unreal, and he needs to be prepared for unreality.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 22, 2016 11:59 PM  

Josh,
Let's say in your wildest dreams ( and it would have been )
Curley Top got the nom, who in dude weed would he have picked for veep ?
Any eye deer ?
Still not gonnha vote and do the right thing, are ya ?
"Muh prinzibuls, Mosby? Don't you get it ?"
Bullshit.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 23, 2016 12:07 AM  

The background cast of "The Walking Dead" is already her constituency

That's around 44 percent. Romney's infamous "47 percent" was based on tax payments. Clinton can't win with her current share of the white vote, and events aren't helping her out at all.

Blogger GFR July 23, 2016 12:07 AM  

@80 All those things are true but I think you have overlooked the "enthusiasm" factor.
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This is NOT a conventional election - Hillary's biggest weakness is that she inspires almost ZERO enthusiasm while every one of those other candidates (Sanders in particular) DO inspire enthusiasm.
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The dems have chosen an "all-boring" ticket while the Republicans have chosen a "half-boring" ticket..

Anonymous Bob July 23, 2016 12:08 AM  

It seems to me the choice was more or less intended to prevent those who would never vote trump from also not voting for the headliner and sitting it out. Because that is going to be a Yuge demographic this year.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 23, 2016 12:13 AM  






"Kaine: Wins VA for Clinton. Governing Experience"
Getting the teat suckers that works for the almighty fedgov nailed down. Like the rest of the country don't count.
Brilliant !

Anonymous Leoburg July 23, 2016 12:19 AM  

"@80 All those things are true but I think you have overlooked the "enthusiasm" factor.
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This is NOT a conventional election - Hillary's biggest weakness is that she inspires almost ZERO enthusiasm while every one of those other candidates (Sanders in particular) DO inspire enthusiasm."

At least Trump doesn't have to campaign in Virginia now, since he's gonna lose it. That's the good new for him.

The bad news is that there are now fewer swing states for him to win. Clinton starts with 205 electoral votes now without lifting a finger. And that doesn't include NV, CO, MN, WI, PA or MI.

Now ask yourself this...Who is more likely to make a really stupid ("But he's a mexican judge) kind of mistake? Clinton or Trump?

What's really sad is that Trump goes to bed every night now praying for a significant terrorist attack against the U.S.

Anonymous Leoburg July 23, 2016 12:21 AM  

"Getting the teat suckers that works for the almighty fedgov nailed down. Like the rest of the country don't count."

The rest of the country counts. It's just that this is an electoral college election.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 23, 2016 12:25 AM  


Now ask yourself this...Who is more likely to make a really stupid ("But he's a mexican judge) kind of mistake? Clinton or Trump?


Trump can hurt himself. Hillary can deliver herself a fatal blow. That's how it breaks down.

Again, she cannot win with her current share of the white vote. Kaine was just a mark, no pun intended, of desperation. Clinton will cost Democrats down the ballot although that doesn't concern me. Usually the communists are shrewder than this, which concerns me a bit.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 23, 2016 12:29 AM  

Additionally, I can see, to go further with your electoral map, Trump winning Connecticut and Rhode Island, small states but two that haven't been in play for a while. My guess is Trump surpasses the Bush II total and hits around 303, not carrying Virginia (not given), New Mexico, and Colorado (again, not given) and picking up Wisconsin, Michigan, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. As of right now, this is over for Clinton. Events also are working against her.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 23, 2016 12:31 AM  

*Rhode Island only once since he isn't running as a Democrat.

This, again and not my concern, looks like a potential disaster for Democrats down-ballot.

Blogger AdognamedOp July 23, 2016 12:40 AM  

I hope dat bitch coughs out on the convention floor and they drop balloons on her.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 23, 2016 12:43 AM  

The old school way to look at VP choices; "balance the ticket". Pence makes sense in that light, Midwesterner balancing New Yorker.

Kaine smacks a bit of desperation. VA, MD, DE should be in the bag for Rodan Clinton. She's more of an East Coast / Acela corridor figure now than anything else, so there's no geographical balance going on, either. I admit, I don't understand the reasoning here.

Too bad she didn't reach out to Jerry Brown. Clinton and Brown on the stage together...add some more boomers like Linda Rondstadt and Stevie Nicks, it's PBS fundraising nostalgia night! That's entertainment!

Anonymous LeoBurg July 23, 2016 12:45 AM  

Robert,
You are putting Pa, OH and FL, NH, and NV in the Trump tally?

Interesting.

Just off the top of my head I'm positive that if you give to Clinton she also then gets NV.

Regarding the fatal blow to Clinton, I think it would have to be something already in play or occurred but not known yet since she is unlikely to make a blunder going forward.

Anonymous andon July 23, 2016 12:49 AM  

85. Anonymous Bob July 23, 2016 12:08 AM
It seems to me the choice was more or less intended to prevent those who would never vote trump from also not voting for the headliner and sitting it out. Because that is going to be a Yuge demographic this year.


what are you saying - people all over the country that would have stayed home are now going to show up and vote for hillary because of kaine?
if he's that good why isn't he the top of the ticket?

Blogger Cail Corishev July 23, 2016 12:50 AM  

Who is more likely to make a really stupid ("But he's a mexican judge) kind of mistake?

After he wins, that will be seen as his Sister Souljah moment.

Anonymous andon July 23, 2016 12:53 AM  

@ #90 - what about New Hampshire? I heard Trump was within a few points. isn't that normally a blue state?

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados July 23, 2016 12:54 AM  

If anything people that don't normally vote are coming out to vote for Trump, hence why the primaries were breaking records....this is a major factor that is putting states that wouldn't normally be in play into play. It's also backed by Trump's crossover appeal. Trump outdoes the DNC in terms of identity politics....by appealing to patriotism rather than racial aggrievement. So factor the crossover appeal with getting non-engaged citizens to vote for him, and then factor in how just AWFUL a candidate Hillary is....it's gonna be a blood bath for the DNC this year.

Anonymous andon July 23, 2016 12:57 AM  

Who is more likely to make a really stupid ("But he's a mexican judge) kind of mistake?

if you join la raza are you a racist or just a brown supremacist?

Anonymous LeoBurg July 23, 2016 12:58 AM  

Bados,

There is no data that shows a single state in play for Trump that was not in play for Romney in 2012.

Are you going on instinct?

Anonymous Yay Trump July 23, 2016 1:03 AM  

We just saw from wikileaks that the polling is not exactly reliable as far as states in play goes.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 23, 2016 1:05 AM  










"It's just that this is an electoral college election."
Like the rest them haven't been ?
Negro, puh-leeze.
The electoral college is not going to save the harpy in this one . Trump is going to drop this bitch like last weeks newspaper.
Count on it.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 23, 2016 1:08 AM  

@97

New Hampshire was a Bush '04 state, and I suspect the Democrats have given up on it.

@94

I suspect you meant if I give New Mexico to Clinton she gets Nevada. If wrong correct me. But she doesn't get Nevada. It is a Trump state for many reasons, not excluding the union members will break for him. I am being conservative, incidentally, because Minnesota and Oregon may be in play as well. I suspect, to go out of sequence here, Clinton already has abandoned Pennsylvania, which is ironic given the DNC will be in Philly.

Again, pieces are moving too fast for Clinton to win. It's possible but unlikely. The Democrats shat on white folks too much in the last four years to keep their vote total in line.

This is a realignment election, without question. That's why the Kaine choice was so damned foolish.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados July 23, 2016 1:11 AM  

It's not instinct the data is out there you just gotta look for it. Furthermore, just look at the primaries. This is a PARADIGM SHIFT election. This isn't about liberal/conservative anymore, it's about gobalism/nationalism and everybody can see that now. Trump has more or less successfully evicted the neocons from the GOP and is in the process of turning it into a genuine populist party.

The DNC, however, is imploding, and all you have to do is go back to Steve Sailer's breakdown of the results of the 2014 elections to see that Hillary being an INCREDIBLY weak and even radioactive presidential candidate was well foreshadowed there. Remember, she was supposed to be running against JEB BUSH. Trump completely fucked up the splitter strategy. Trump isn't a "hold your nose and vote" candidate, he's actually someone people WANT to vote for. Everyone Hillary endorsed in 2014 lost....BADLY. The socialist/identity politics faction of the DNC (Bernie) is clearly warring with the globalist wing of the party (Hillary). Lots of these guys will go third party, or vote Trump, or stay home before voting for her. The DNC has been bleeding moderates for a while now....especially blue collar workers who are flocking to Trump.

The media is desperately trying to distract from this fact, but the truth is that nobody trusts the media anymore....even less than the government. It's not a question of "Will Trump win?" at this point...it's how fucking MUCH will he win? My prediction is the DNC implodes after this election cycle. In the face of a reformed GOP that is actually putting the country and its legal citizens first....what does the DNC then have to offer?

Like I said, it ain't gonna be a contest....it's gonna be a bloodbath.

Anonymous andon July 23, 2016 1:14 AM  

#103 - ty

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 23, 2016 1:19 AM  

" she is unlikely to make a blunder going forward."
You shill. Even you should know better than that.
She struggled with an old fart socialist. Trump is going to shiv that harlot, and twist it once he runs it to the hilt in her well deserving fat ass.

Anonymous Wyrd July 23, 2016 1:23 AM  

har·ri·dan
/ˈherəd(ə)n/
noun
noun: harridan; plural noun: harridans
a strict, bossy, or belligerent old woman.
"a bullying old harridan"
synonyms: Hillary Clinton

Blogger Roger G2 July 23, 2016 1:31 AM  

The Syrians simply loved him after a speech he gave there, fwiw.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 23, 2016 1:43 AM  

"Like I said, it ain't gonna be a contest....it's gonna be a bloodbath."
May we stack skulls higher than the Empire state building, God willing.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 23, 2016 2:33 AM  

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Anonymous Barko Ramius July 23, 2016 2:35 AM  

Well JM, kinda you to pick a Yankee monument for a skull stacking reference point. Magic Dirt be reals yo !

Blogger Robert Divinity July 23, 2016 2:36 AM  

The media is desperately trying to distract from this fact, but the truth is that nobody trusts the media anymore....even less than the government.

Luegenpresse is the government. You are witnessing its last gasp. I literally laughed watching this year's RNC as LP would cut away from speakers if things got too hot. The best was most viewers--I suspect, anyhow--finally knew what was LP was doing.

I'm not an optimist, and still put my money on reprimitizism, but I'm much more open these days to being wrong. It feels good.

Anonymous Frank Brady July 23, 2016 2:41 AM  

Trump will crush Clinton for reasons that have nothing to do with traditional political metrics. Millions of Democrats and Independents crossed over to vote in GOP primaries in record numbers when those primaries allowed. Democrat primary vote totals plummeted. The U.S. (and perhaps the world) is undergoing a paradigm shift. In the real world, ordinary people despise both Washington establishment parties nearly as much as they loathe “journalists” and pollsters. The old rules and patterns no longer apply.

The pundits and political experts are living in world that no longer exists. The presidential preference polls that predict a Hillary win are wrong for many of the same reasons (multiplied many times over) that the 1980 Reagan landslide gob smacked that era’s pundits and experts. After being subjected to millions of hours of Mainstream Media demonization of Trump, many voters simply lie to pollsters—and then vote their feelings in the voting booth. Google “The Abilene Paradox” for an interesting piece that helps explain this very real phenomenon.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 23, 2016 2:57 AM  

@113

True. I'm just shocked at the number who are telling pollsters the truth. That's what is unprecedented as far as I'm concerned. We do live in a totally new world.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 23, 2016 3:02 AM  

111. Barko Ramius
JUST STACK 'EM. Above or below the Mason -Dixon line is good with me, as long as they get stacked. Got a prob with that ?

Anonymous SciVo July 23, 2016 3:03 AM  

Robert Divinity wrote:This is a realignment election, without question. That's why the Kaine choice was so damned foolish.

The Reuters article is incoherent. They seem to be implying that there are independents and moderates who are in favor of a lobbyist-written-heavily-regulated-crony-corporate-welfare-unread-by-legislators-but-presumably-screwing-us-over-trade pact like the TPP. What's their evidence for this remarkable belief?

Anonymous Discard July 23, 2016 3:10 AM  

107. Wyrd: Try "virago".

Anonymous fred July 23, 2016 3:13 AM  

"The pundits and political experts are living in world that no longer exists. The presidential preference polls that predict a Hillary win are wrong for many of the same reasons"

I agree with your theoretical analysis, but you are neglecting to understand the unbelievable level at which the Dems and leftists and Clintonistas are outright, unimaginable crooks, and what they are prepared to do to steal this election. They (((HATE))) white, traditional, historical, Christian America, and they see (((this))) as their chance to see it (((destroyed))) for good. They aren't going to give up their chance to abolish it and replace it with the mudslide simply because the (((candidate))) is polling badly. Trump is way behind in his ground game, I think he has NO IDEA what he is (((up against))), and he needs to seriously build his ground game if he ever thinks he can "win".

Anonymous Barko Ramius July 23, 2016 3:16 AM  

For a monument of victory skulls. I'd prefer a design based on Yankee architecture.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 23, 2016 3:33 AM  

Reuters

@116

The only outlier polls that have shown Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump by double-digits at any point have come from Reuters. Draw your own conclusion. Based on the averages, which show Clinton ahead pre-RNC by an aggregate 2.7, which is within the margin of error, my guess is Trump is ahead by at least five to nine points due to the lying you mentioned. It was formerly known as the "Wilder Effect," which we should call the the "Trump Effect" henceforth. I suspect he'll win by about seven to eight percent, which would represent a historical record for a "Republican" nominee.*

*We write this as infantile ghost-dancers who assume a Trump victory won't be met with a coup. Expect one.

**"Cuckservative" arrived today, Vox Day. I anticipate it will be good, but I'm a very slow reader and it will be enjoyed (I hope) YMCA poolside over the next few weeks. If good you will get an Amazon review, although I refuse to use Amazon to purchase due to Bezos. It came via Book Depository in Britain. Let's Make America Great Again in distribution, man.

Blogger Unknown July 23, 2016 3:37 AM  

@118
If the Dems do blatantly vote fraud their way to a victory like they did in 1964, that will be the last thing they do. Lots of people are paying attention, now (popularity of voter ID laws is an indicator of this), and they will not put up with it. Much like the GOPe did, the DNC is totally misreading the mood of the country, and seems to think they can steal it like usual.

Anonymous Wyrd July 23, 2016 3:41 AM  

@Discard

107. Wyrd: Try "virago".

Synonyms: Dragon

How many hit points does a goldmansach dragon have?

Blogger Dexter July 23, 2016 3:55 AM  

I don't live in Virginia, but it's been trending Democrat as they pack in more Federal Government employees, especially into the welfare agencies.

Rabble from blue states (NY NJ IL) moving to Fairfax and Loudoun county. Shitloads of immigrants (Hispanic, Muslims, Africans, South Asaians). It is utterly disgusting.

Blogger Harsh July 23, 2016 7:14 AM  

Bah, if she had any balls, she would have picked an open lesbian as her VP.

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Anonymous Avalanche July 23, 2016 7:23 AM  

@48 "It's amazing how they think they can just pick up a certain demographic by choosing somebody from that same demographic."

Works with NAMs -- blacks and Hispanics... (esp. well with blacks!) They assume (and are right) that they will get 'the spoils' as their tribe-mate lies, cheats, and steals. White folk don't (always/often) go there (although it's getting more common).

Blogger Wanda Sherratt July 23, 2016 7:49 AM  

@121 - I've no doubt the Left will be pulling their usual vote fraud this year, as in all years. But in the past, they've used it successfully against the wilting gentlemen of the "old" GOP, who were too polite to publicly object, let alone challenge and rout such behaviour. I don't think that's the case now. I don't think Trump will graciously submit to being cheated. I think he'll raise holy hell and won't give up until the cheaters are exposed and standing in a courtroom stammering their excuses.

It's not Hillary stuffing ballot boxes and "finding" votes in car trunks. The whole crooked Dem machine runs on anonymous, grass-level foot soldiers doing the dirty work. When those people find themselves exposed, unprotected and ruinously punished, they'll scatter for cover and the clever machinations will collapse. It could have happened before now, but the GOPe were too pansified and content to be swindled to even try to stop it. The nullification of the stolen election in Austria this year is a sign that corruption isn't the final word in elections. If it happened there, it can happen here.

Anonymous johnc July 23, 2016 8:36 AM  

@126 Works with NAMs -- blacks and Hispanics... (esp. well with blacks!) They assume (and are right) that they will get 'the spoils' as their tribe-mate lies, cheats, and steals. White folk don't (always/often) go there (although it's getting more common).

If the choice is between a white democrat and a black democrat, I agree that blacks would tend to vote for the black candidate.

But if the Republicans had, e.g., a completely black ticket I don't think they would break 5-10% of the black vote. They're all going to vote democrat anyway.

Blogger James Dixon July 23, 2016 8:43 AM  

> And remember, Virginia is not for Lovers, it's for taxes.

And traffic tickets.

> Picking bill for VP would have been a swing for the fences,

Bill's not eligible for the VP slot.

> What's really sad is that Trump goes to bed every night now praying for a significant terrorist attack against the U.S.

Germany and France work too. Do you really think Trump's numbers didn't go up yesterday?

Make America great again. It only costs a mere Trumppence.

Blogger James Dixon July 23, 2016 8:47 AM  

This is only the third mixed gender Presidential ticket in US history amongst the major parties. The previous two lost.

Blogger Happy Housewife July 23, 2016 9:42 AM  

Let me just say, as a woman: I could look at and listen to Pence all day. Kaine looks like he might film prepubescent girls in dressing rooms.

Anonymous BGKB July 23, 2016 9:48 AM  

What, exactly, is the use of David Duke?

His running is rattling the cages of leftists and gays nationwide. Funny every time they say he endorsed TRUMP they forget to mention he is such a uniter that he also got endorsed by nation of Islam's leader Louise Farrakhan. That he can get both of them while every crony establishment player hates him says a lot.

Wait, which one are you calling the retired secretary?

More importantly which looks more like a mother in law?

Per Scott Adams, "Hillary needs a Kaine" isn't the most vigorous visual image.

Clinton cocaine Epstein. Walking Cane is not what comes to mind when you think of the Clintons.

Anonymous BGKB July 23, 2016 10:01 AM  

Kaine can peel off just enough white votes and Spanish-speaking Hispanics who lean Republican to win. I can see this back-fire, big time.

Especially if he speaks real Spanish not the pidgin Mexicans speak.

Blogger scottb July 23, 2016 11:02 AM  

creepy VP has a nice ring to it

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 23, 2016 11:32 AM  

Kaine looks like he might film prepubescent girls in dressing rooms.


Of course, now he doesn't have to use a camera, he can just put on a dress and go to Target...thanks to progressives.

Kaine does have the same kind of piggy squint in his eyes that James Carville gets on camera sometimes.

No, I would not buy a used car from that man.

Blogger Kyle Searle July 23, 2016 11:47 AM  

Check this one out:

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/its-hillary-clintons-moment-so-why-is-she-the-most-hated-woman-in-the-united-states

From the article:

"There is even a fringe of conspiracy theorists who believe that Clinton is one of a group of extraterrestrial shapeshifting lizards who have landed on Earth and taken human form in order to run the U.S. government."

How do media types keep getting sucked into chan memes and think they are real?

OpenID frankluke July 23, 2016 11:55 AM  

Any parodists working on turning "Janey's got a gun" into "Grannies got her Kaine"? Could be comedy gold!

Anonymous Not A Shape-Shifting Lizard July 23, 2016 1:18 PM  


How do media types keep getting sucked into chan memes and think they are real?


1. They think they are smarter than anyone else.
2. They are actually very ignorant and stupid.

Therefore

3. They are extremely trollable.

Blogger scottb July 23, 2016 1:53 PM  

Cree Pee Vee Pee

Blogger ray July 23, 2016 2:37 PM  

Kaine is a word with significant Scriptural provenance. Apple don't fall far from the tree.

Just making it Official.

Anonymous rubberducky July 23, 2016 4:30 PM  

Tim Kaine's not moderate. He's a radical. He's got a Liberty Score of ZERO. That's lower than almost everybody, including Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. His Freedom Index is a shocking 1%.

Yet still the SJWs on the left have convinced themselves that he's too moderate. Why? His image I guess, plus maybe some thought leader rabbits in the clueless warren pronounced it.

But once again their discontent is a triumph of their rhetorical way of thinking. The new hotness was Bernie and Liz. Not Kaine. But based on voting records, on actual evidence, Cankles would have been hard pressed to find anyone more radical than Tim Kaine.

Blogger Farnarkel of OZ July 23, 2016 8:36 PM  

How quickly will Kaine be quarantined from giving off the cuff media interviews?

Blogger Harold July 23, 2016 8:57 PM  

"Trump isn't a "hold your nose and vote" candidate, he's actually someone people WANT to vote for."

I beg to differ. Even though I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife, I'll be holding my nose to vote for Trump. I'm friends with a lot of people who feel exactly the same way.

This election is going to be determined by which candidate has the most highly motivated people to turn out to vote against them. At the moment, she owns that part of the electorate, and we're going to turn out en masse to vote against her.

I also do think Trump had more people more highly motivated to vote for him then she does to vote for her. But it's the anti-candidate vote that needs to be counted. I'm not sure how pollsters can take that into account.

Blogger Harsh July 23, 2016 10:43 PM  

Harold wrote:"Trump isn't a "hold your nose and vote" candidate, he's actually someone people WANT to vote for."

I beg to differ


You'll be proven wrong in November.

Blogger James Dixon July 23, 2016 11:57 PM  

> I'm friends with a lot of people who feel exactly the same way.

Well, duh. That sort of goes without saying, doesn't it? I don't have many friends who'll be voting for Hillary, and most of them are enthusiastic about voting for Trump.

A couple of people talking on the radio on my way home from grocery shopping. They were very anti-Trump. They were saying "Who's going to vote for him that didn't vote for Romney?" Well, let's see. More blacks. More hispanics. More blue collar democrats. And more of the Republican rank and file. Then they asked "Who isn't going to vote for Hillary that voted for Obama?". Fewer white men. Fewer blacks. Far fewer working democrats. Hopefully fewer dead people. I won't say fewer hispanics, because their numbers have gone up. I won't say fewer women, though I suspect that's true, because with women it may depend on what color clothing Hillary is wearing in her last debate or TV spot before the election.

Blogger Harold July 23, 2016 11:58 PM  

Harsh, you're living in a bubble. As we all are, each in our own. But we all need to recognize what's going on outside that bubble. I know some people who are enthusiastic for Trump. The vast majority of the people I know are not enthusiastic for Trump, but they will turn out to vote against Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife. My upstate NY congressional district held Trump below 50%. Second place finisher was Kasich. Not a single one of my friends, on facebook or in person, ever posted or said anything pro-Kasich. My commute to work is about 38 miles, and there are several different routes I can take. In the weeks prior to the primary I took most of the routes to work. I saw signs for Cruz and signs for Trump, about an equal number of each. Not one, not even one sign for Kasich. Who took 34.5% of the vote. I have no earthly clue who these people are. On the other side, saw a whole lot more Bernie signs then his opponent. That translated to 48% of the vote for him. His supporters were more enthusiastic in posting signs, but their supporters turned out in almost equal numbers.

Everyone you know, and most of the posters here, are enthusiastic about Trump. Don't fool yourself into thinking everyone is. This election appears to be the ultimate lesser of two evils election to many of us. If Cthulhu was running, I'd say to heck with it and vote for the greatest of all evils.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 24, 2016 12:12 AM  

It's okay, I think your vote counts the same, whether or not you need to tell people it was reluctant.

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