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Tuesday, July 05, 2016

How to avoid raising SJWs

Jean-Batave explains seven ways to avoid inadvertently turning your children into SJWs:
1. Be present

As simple as that. Be there. Listen to them. Spot the early signs of SJW friendly attitude and nip them in the bud. A girl with an absent father, like a ship with no rudder, will turn to an ocean of cocks. A boy with an absent father will turn to crime, or worse, feminism.

Keep them close in their formative years. You are a rock, an example. Live by what you preach. There is only so much you can do. The idea here is to create a strong, independent mind that will be curious, hard to manipulate and ready to question the pre-conceived ideas that the exterior world will feed them.

2. Find the ideal environment

It starts by choosing the right mate. More on that here. Avoid criminogenic urban hives. Make sure that you approve of the local community before you move in somewhere. Don’t let them go to university. Make them learn something that will bring them a stable future.

3. Be direct but constructive


Tell them that life is unfair, that family is sacred and explain what death is, among other things. Explain clearly what are the concepts of hard work, merit, strength and beauty, that men and women are very different. That physical appearance and money are important, but that they are not the panacea. No matter what they say, no man wants to hear that he is weak and no woman wants to hear that she is unattractive.
The idea of not sending one's children to university will be controversial, and hard for many Americans to even contemplate, but the reality is that most young men and women don't belong at university and learn nothing that is useful or beneficial there. Even those pursuing professions that legitimately require a university degree will likely benefit from working a year or two before returning to school.

An eighth way is to teach them the value of honesty, particularly with the importance of being honest with oneself. No one who values truth and honesty will ever become an SJW, because a necessary aspect of SJWdom is a willingness to lie to oneself and others.

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Blogger Josh July 05, 2016 1:21 PM  

Would asking for general parenting advice be OT for this thread?

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 05, 2016 1:25 PM  

Well, Josh, y'see, when a man and a woman love each other...

Blogger J A Baker July 05, 2016 1:27 PM  

To go along with this advice, make sure you enroll your children in a good martial arts school.

Blogger David-2 July 05, 2016 1:30 PM  

For July 4th, we saw Shenandoah with friends. Jimmy Stewart's character demonstrates all seven points! Contains a mild instance (two scenes) of very early (1965) entryism - which can be excused given the setting - but otherwise there's absolutely no way in hell it would be greenlighted today! (In fact, the script would probably cause spontaneous suicide-via-brain-explosion in today's studio script readers.)

Blogger Orville July 05, 2016 1:30 PM  

I believe that SJWs are a byproduct of the feminist hive mind. The female mind says everything must be fair, but as noted above the world is not a fair place. We must teach boys and men to be masculine in thought and approach. If men lead, some women will follow, and the rest can have cats.

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Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 05, 2016 1:31 PM  

@1

All that poop is normal. The color too. Hard to believe, I know.

Blogger Orville July 05, 2016 1:37 PM  

Josh, it starts earlier than you think. I first used the wooden spoon at 3 months...lightly on a diapered butt. He kept reaching for something on the changing table, and I kept moving it away from him saying "No!". He'd look me straight in the eye and reach for it again.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner July 05, 2016 1:40 PM  

Also give them martial arts lessons. My grandfather said never trust anyone who has never been punched in the face. It also clears up a lot of ideas about equality.

There are millennials that don't think whites have culture, I tell them "other than Asians who has anyone else contributed to civilization?", "you know native Americans invented nut butter right?"

All that poop is normal. The color too. Hard to believe, I know.

Show them the Texas 10 most wanted list with all the poop color skinned people being listed as white.

Anonymous liberated libations July 05, 2016 1:42 PM  

"... benefit from working a year or two before returning to school."

Yes to this, a thousand times. I also endorse a stint of military service. Knowledge of war inside European nations needs to be in European heads. The Carthaginians would agree, if they hadn't made that mistake and relied on mercenaries.

However, while I don't disagree with the assessment that college is not for everyone, I have been in and out of academia for a quarter century and I can tell you that on that field of battle conservatives have simply run away. SOMEBODY needs to go. A young adult who has not been raised to hate their own and is forewarned about the how and why of anti-European bigotry will probably do fine. There are conservatives and moderates passing through university all the time. They just keep their heads down, do their time, and leave, which results in their having negligible impact on institutional culture.

We cannot tolerate having a hostile cognitive overclass. Our cognitive workers used to be mostly European and mostly conservative (by today's standards) back in the day when Western academic institutional culture was being formed. Standards of excellence have degenerated since then.

Anonymous Poor Richard July 05, 2016 1:42 PM  

1. How to think
2. How to work
3. How to love
4. How to defend themselves
5. How to interact socially (game)
6. How to manage money
7. How to be still and pray


That covers most of it. Homeschool, avoid TV and limit video, pick your social circle wisely, pick your spouse wisely, and be the leader in your home.

Blogger Josh July 05, 2016 1:43 PM  

Homeschooling is the original red pill

Anonymous BGKB July 05, 2016 1:45 PM  

Let them have toy guns but tell them not to point at cops like Tamir Rice.

Gay comics convention bans toy guns because of Afghani moslem mass killer http://www.flamecon.org/flame-con-updated-weapons-policy/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 05, 2016 1:46 PM  

#5 right on.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling July 05, 2016 1:50 PM  

If you're pursuing a STEM degree, how cold will your math get during a gap year?

Now, for people like us interested in science and math, that doesn't really matter, unless we're willing and able to hide our principles until we get tenure, and abjure funding and the training of grad students and postdocs after that (and the decline and fall of higher education will likely make that iffy compared to your lying but "productive" colleagues). Or maybe you can immigrate to a place that does some real science (it's not hardly as bad as you go up the ladder to chemistry and physics), but I don't know of any, Brazil was (in)famously the environment that caused Feynman to formulate the theory of Cargo Cult Science. There's just no place for us in US science anymore unless you can beat incredible odds that were previously very bad for all who wanted to "become a scientist". Note also that's become a largely reviled career as well.... (Math, there aren't many jobs in it anyway.)

If "Technology" means learning what it takes to keep a modern factory running, yeah. Engineering is an it depends. Stay out of Nuclear, very politicized and focused on dead ends in the US.

Computer Science (vs. programming) as a career is very hard in the current politicized environment, particularly for a long career but possible if you're good and get a security clearance, very good if you go into embedded, and you have to stellar, likely someone who's name I know, otherwise.

Lots of other fields can be good if you're really good, but don't expect that to come about if you don't go to a good college program, unless a bachelor's degree is an acceptable terminal one. Getting into a good grad school depends most on professors there deciding you can do good research if they accept you, and that's pretty much achieved by having someone *they* know and trust at your college recommend you.

OpenID paworldandtimes July 05, 2016 1:50 PM  

A clear, well-written original article. Where cultural institutions fail to provide proper guidance, Alt-Right's samizdat steps up to the task. Upon coming to the end of Jean-Batave's article, I wondered if my earlier article on a similar subject may have possibly influenced his. Namely, I noticed that his penultimate paragraph:

"Fathers of the previous generations could afford to be distant, god-like figures as family, religion and culture were on their side to look after their heirs. But today, the establishment is at war with us on all fronts. We cannot leave our children be and go with the flow while hoping for the best."

... may have been unconsciously influenced by my last year's post How To Help Prevent Mudsharking , which concludes with:

-- "Three generations ago, fathers could afford to be remote protectors and providers because robust faith, extended family, and community were there to nurture a child’s identity and sense of purpose. But we are now atomized and under cultural and demographic assault on all fronts. The modern White father can no longer be uninvolved in his daughter’s emotional and intellectual development."

I'm hoping that is the case. We write on blogs for a variety of reasons. Overthrowing of the edifice of neoliberal lies is among the top ones, and it's gratifying whenever one notices that his work contributes to the collective project.

PA

Blogger IrishFarmer July 05, 2016 1:50 PM  

Maybe I'm a different kind of person, but I don't see anything controversial about not sending kids to university. Standards have become so lax, and indoctrination so cultish that the thought of sending my kids to uni is more likely to cause a panic attack than make me feel pride or hope.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 05, 2016 1:52 PM  

This has actually been on my mind for some time now. Not teaching them not to be SJWs, there's a genetic component to that and, with me and the wife on one side, and their SF father and his Annapolis father on the other, this will not happen.

But we've nearly all become terribly overprotective of our kids and grandkids. I'm by no means the least guilty in this, either. And I was allowed to do all kinds of crap as a young boy, completely unsupervised, as were all my peers, that are just beyond the pale now.

How the hell will kids learn to risk and dare and fight and grow if we never let them try? What kind of a country is produced when our children are overprotected?

Sports are good, but not enough. No, not even martial arts is enough; the risk factor is just too low. Teaching them to shoot, while useful, is not enough. Camping is not enough. And home schooling, while protecting them from all kinds of nonsense and some kinds of risk, is also protecting them from learning to deal with the crap pile of a world we live in, too.

No, I don't have answers, but I _am_ interesting in suggestions.

Blogger Orville July 05, 2016 2:03 PM  

I'm with Tom on that. Risk averse parenting is a problem. I don't know the complete answer either, but allow for some broken bones. Years ago I let my 13 year old son build a ramp in the back yard and run his old XR-200 off it. Results - broken foot.

He's 26 now and has wiped out one bike at the track, and another hitting a deer. I deal with it by praying and letting him be a boy and later a man. Doesn't mean I still don't give advice though.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 05, 2016 2:07 PM  

That Would Be Telling wrote:If you're pursuing a STEM degree, how cold will your math get during a gap year?

If they can't be bothered to pick up and scan through a second hand text book a couple weeks before returning to school; how likely are they to pass the more advanced subjects?

Blogger VD July 05, 2016 2:09 PM  

I can tell you that on that field of battle conservatives have simply run away. SOMEBODY needs to go.

No, have you learned nothing from Lind and Van Creveld? You don't win by taking the field against a superior force, you win by hitting them off the battlefield.

Replace the credentialed elite with an uncredentialed one.

Blogger Orville July 05, 2016 2:09 PM  

Another thing is wives and mothers. Guys aren't willing to stand up to the motherly freakouts when junior jumps the shark. I had to fight that battle a number of times.

Anonymous BGKB July 05, 2016 2:10 PM  

professors there deciding you can do good research if they accept you, and that's pretty much achieved by having someone *they* know and trust at your college recommend you.

You also have to compete with people who got into a program by having sex at parties held by the college (((VICE))) president at his house for those not old enough to go out to bars, but have collection agencies looking for them.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 05, 2016 2:12 PM  

I'll tell on myself. I went to an SJW-like school and blindly embraced the usual Leftist propaganda. I'm partly to blame. I was a below average student and my poor grasp of basic history formed gaps that were filled in with Leftist nonsense.

The moral of this story is establishing a foundation on the K-12 level. Unfortunately, the schools are cesspools of Leftist thought and practices. The colleges are the training ground for teachers and admins.

Sometimes I get the feeling that the SJWs executed a perfect pincer maneuver.

Blogger Josh July 05, 2016 2:12 PM  

No, have you learned nothing from Lind and Van Creveld? You don't win by taking the field against a superior force, you win by hitting them off the battlefield.

Replace the credentialed elite with an uncredentialed one.


His argument is just a variant of the "send your children to be salt and light in pubic schools" argument.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling July 05, 2016 2:18 PM  

@22 BGKB:

[STEM] professors there deciding you can do good research if they accept you, and that's pretty much achieved by having someone *they* know and trust at your college recommend you.

You also have to compete with people who got into a program by having sex at parties held by the college (((VICE))) president at his house for those not old enough to go out to bars, but have collection agencies looking for them.


Nah, you have to go down to the level of departments, grad school admission is done there. And that tactic won't get you through a good grad STEM school, to pass your quals, do thesis research good enough to get you some good postdoc positions, and otherwise climb up the ladder to a full time position in industry or academia.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 05, 2016 2:18 PM  

That Would Be Telling wrote:If you're pursuing a STEM degree, how cold will your math get during a gap year?I'm more than 4 decades past algebra-trig and I found the identities coming back when I thought at them a bit for something I had to do.  If you've ever really used it for more than just classwork, it will stick.

Stay out of Nuclear, very politicized and focused on dead ends in the US.
There is a rapidly-growing environmentalist faction which is explicitly pro-nuclear and calling out the established (donor-driven, meaning in thrall to oil money) groups on their hypocrisy of worrying about climate change while calling for the abandonment of nuclear power.  James Hansen has called for the construction of hundreds of nuclear plants.  We're going to see a dam breaking very soon, and nuclear engineering will take off like a rocket.

Don't believe me?  Watch the world price of uranium.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 05, 2016 2:18 PM  

Josh wrote:No, have you learned nothing from Lind and Van Creveld? You don't win by taking the field against a superior force, you win by hitting them off the battlefield.

Replace the credentialed elite with an uncredentialed one.


His argument is just a variant of the "send your children to be salt and light in pubic schools" argument.


Doesn't work if they haven't matured enough, e.g. taking a year to see the real world, to _be_ salt and light.

Blogger RC July 05, 2016 2:25 PM  

I've come full circle on this topic and it took some time as having an advanced STEM degree from a top school opened doors for me. But times have changed. My youngest completed a software boot camp last year and is kicking minor ass at only 19 years old. Amazing that he's working in the real world making real money programming real systems with good mentors while his peers just completed their freshman year at Stupid U.

Anonymous BluePony July 05, 2016 2:32 PM  

"very good if you go into embedded,"

Oh, really? I'm an FPGA guy mainly but I'm moving into designs now with processor cores- Microblaze and Zynq mainly. Nice to know.

One interesting thing I found in the embedded world is that using a goto does not get you immediately burned at the stake. I think because you're so close to the metal at this point it's similar to branching in assembler.

Blogger Orville July 05, 2016 2:34 PM  

RC, I did that in 2000 during the dotcom bubble and more than made back my investment in a Java boot camp. Before it all went poof, I had doubled what I was making as a sys admin. And if you are an IT insider, then you know that CompSci grads have practically no real world IT skills upon graduating.

Anonymous quamuri July 05, 2016 2:37 PM  

The problem with the ROK post is that all the same evidence that suggests IQ and other psychological traits are heritable, with no influence from shared environment, also suggests many (not all) of the traits this article discusses are heritable, with no influence from shared environment.

(So e.g., if you have the right genes and your spouse has the right genes, whether or not you live in an urban hive won't make that much of a difference.)

Blogger FALPhil July 05, 2016 2:37 PM  

Don’t let them go to university.

I would go a step further and say, "Don't ever put your kids in a government run school at any level."

I would counsel parents to home school if they are capable, and if they are not, to find a good private school, preferable one run by an institution with a strong, orthodox theology and a predisposition towards teaching critical thinking skills (which are not taught in government schools these days). Make whatever sacrifices it takes. Work multiple jobs if you have to, but get that good, solid anchor in the little ones' educational lives.

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Blogger Joseph July 05, 2016 2:39 PM  

How much of the overprotective parenting comes from the more diverse population and the social trust issues it brings? Maybe compounded by the 24 hour news cycle?

Blogger Student in Blue July 05, 2016 2:41 PM  

@Tom Kratman
No, I don't have answers, but I _am_ interesting in suggestions.

Take my memories and opinion with a healthy dosing of salt, as I'm likely less of an expert than you, but I remember someone on VP sharing how they had grown up very quickly when their dad fell ill, and they as a young boy had to take over most/all of the farm operations. Being in charge of tangible things that can and will fail, that you depend on, did a lot for developing the boy's mindset so much so that when he went back to public school he realized just how childish everyone else was.

It might have been RedJack that shared that story. Either way, it's a story that I'd been turning over in my head.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling July 05, 2016 2:42 PM  

@29 BluePony:

[ you need to be ] "very good if you go into embedded," [ to have much of an assurance of a long career in it ].

Oh, really? I'm an FPGA guy mainly but I'm moving into designs now with processor cores- Microblaze and Zynq mainly. Nice to know.


Good luck! There aren't many fields that respect grey hair, and some industries or companies in them that don't anyway, GM is just as bad at hiring the very best young and laying them off before they get "too old.

Ah, I forgot to mention the other option, but it's hard, and very hard for most of us: go into consulting.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes July 05, 2016 2:43 PM  

Homeschooling and an intact family is about the only way to prevent the bullshit from entering your kid's minds in the first place. It's amazing how well one's kids turn out just by limiting corrosive influences, steering them toward quality, self-directed pursuits, and being ever present in their lives. It's quite simple, really.

Anonymous Matthew Hopkins July 05, 2016 2:43 PM  

Vox nails it. My unmasking of Gamaliel was not notable so much for the revelation of his identity (which is on his obscure little Wikimedia profile) but for all the vile stuff Gamaliel has done.

Blogger Dexter July 05, 2016 2:45 PM  

I also endorse a stint of military service.

Fuck that. The military is run by SJWs and ordered to fight stupid wars using stupid methods for stupid goals. My kid ain't getting killed or maimed as cannon fodder for this country's corrupt, depraved so-called leadership. Nor do I want him marching around in red high heels or convicted on some bullshit false rape charge.

Blogger John Wright July 05, 2016 2:49 PM  

"Don’t let them go to university."

I don't see this as controversial. Universities, with a very few exceptions are seminaries for the antichrist anti-intellectual socialist death cult religion of Progressivism.

If your religion is a happier or saner one, avoid their seminaries.

Anonymous BluePony July 05, 2016 2:51 PM  

"Unfortunately, the schools are cesspools of Leftist thought and practices. The colleges are the training ground for teachers and admins."

There's clearly a market for a new wave of private schools. Something that starts with the first grade but has the kids ready for entry level into their chosen career long before current school's graduate them from high school.

General education would consist of non-retconned history, civics, and practical things. Maybe use William's Bennett's books on education as a starting point. They get a lot of 1 star reviews by SJW sounding types on Amazon, so they must have something going for them.

Also have a track for the more entrepreneurial types who want to start businesses. Teach them everything they need to know, including the social skills which are probably the most important. People who know me always comment how good I am at engineering and ask why I never struck out on my own. I just don't have the social brain wiring.

For example, I'd love to start a disruptive approach to private schooling as described. No idea where to even start.

The establishment can refuse accreditation, but if the job is done right, we wouldn't need it. The results would speak for themselves.

Blogger Orville July 05, 2016 2:52 PM  

Regarding military service, mileage may vary wildly. I had a buddy who was in the Navy band and spent his entire tour stoned. My dad loved military life, but that was late 40's and early 50's. A young Christian man in a barracks is going to face a huge amount of temptation and ridicule, or so I hear anyway from some who went that route. Plus the B.S. of expending youth on building empires.

Blogger Markku July 05, 2016 2:55 PM  

His argument is just a variant of the "send your children to be salt and light in pubic schools" argument.

And why wouldn't they advise so? It's not THEIR kid that gets sent, if someone takes their advice, it's somebody else's kid. And if that raises the probability of the university having become a bit less converged by others sacrificing their kids, so much the better.

But when it's YOUR kid, just, no.

Blogger dh July 05, 2016 2:56 PM  

All three of my kids will have the choice of using "their" college money for 2/2 - 2 years of community college, the two years of off-campus university living, or as a seed fund for a business enterprise of their choosing.

My oldest one is getting within seeing distance of the goal. It's not a huge amount of money, but something like $75k in the hands of an ambitious, driven, goal-orientated 18 year is not the scariest thing I can think of. It's a lot less scary than going to a University to be accused of rape or cultural appropriation or whatever else lies that way.

Especially since I've told them that they can count on me to be an adviser and to handle some of the early administrative burden, they are getting more and more comfortable with the idea.

I have to tell you the backlash is really intense. Two of our three are not in schools, so they don't see, but for my middle one, who is a public school, the pressure will be intense to conform. Socially, even with our friends who are mostly like minded, they can't get over the concept that this money could be "wasted" or "lost" and that my kids will have gotten nothing out of it. It's inconceivable to me that they think college will automatically be valuable while operating a business venture, even one that fails, has no value.

Of my three, I feel pretty strongly that one will start a business, one will go to community college, and one will use the money essentially as a dowry to wed up a few levels the social ladder.

Anonymous BluePony July 05, 2016 3:01 PM  

"Good luck! There aren't many fields that respect grey hair, and some industries or companies in them that don't anyway"

Not a problem. My current employer is keen to use more embedded processing, and sent me and just a couple others to expensive Xilinx training. They seem happy to still invest in me. I'm at the point where I could retire very early if a was forced. I'm not wealthy, but I'd be OK.

There's also a number of odd niche markets out there I think I could sell things to if I really needed it.

Blogger Student in Blue July 05, 2016 3:04 PM  

Re: military service

Disregard anyone's advice based on experience before 2010. It is not the same thing whatsoever.

And if your kid needs a boot camp experience, that's YOUR fault, and YOU are the one to fix it, not someone else whether they're a day-care operator or a drill instructor.

Blogger Kyle Searle July 05, 2016 3:06 PM  

The reality is that university now can be done from home. An online degree from MIT or Stanford is not that expensive. Thus attending a 2nd or 3rd tier university is more akin to acquiring tens of thousands of dollars of debt for the, "university experience." Since classes at 2nd tier schools are generally 400+ students in first and second year, it really is pointless to take classes from someone who isn't at the top of the field. Graduate school is a very different story, but the internet is rapidly making baccalaureate programs obsolete, and the baccalaureate degrees are the big cash cows. At some point, smart kids won't attend college in person. At the very least, I know anyone who manages to finish a online degree from a real school with real testing probably has much more self-motivation than your average person. That, after-all, is the real goal of accreditation: to weed out the weak minded and stupid.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 05, 2016 3:07 PM  

I'd argue that teaching honesty should be #1. The kids should know that if they screw up, it means the cane...but if they lie, they can expect the dose to be tripled or more.

As for education, I'm divided. STEM is worthwhile. More for engineering, less for computer programming. Medicine is good. Anything else? You're better off learning a skilled trade. Having said that, education should be treated as a work continually in progress. Especially history...history is an ocean of information that can never be fully drained.

Military service? It's got good points and bad points. Definitely not for everybody, but great for some people. One thing, though...the services are not in the business of turning Little Johnny Jerk into something tolerable. They'll bounce him out on his backside.

Blogger dh July 05, 2016 3:12 PM  

How the hell will kids learn to risk and dare and fight and grow if we never let them try? What kind of a country is produced when our children are overprotected?

Tom, I know what you mean, but a lot of parents are fighting the SJW trend without knowing it, with things like "unparenting" and related movements.

For my family we have made the conscious decision to raise them apart from society, but not sheltered from it.

I have three kids, two that are biologically mine and one that is legally adopted. After some testing, which we paid for privately because the school system refused to consider it, we learned that our adopted child has an IQ that is lower than I would like to see. My two biologically kids have consistently tested +0.5SD above average, which is almost an entire SD higher than I usually test, and 0.5SD+ above their mother. My adopted child has an IQ that is below mine, in the low to mid 80's depending on the tests.

So we raise the kids differently. My oldest is a genetic winner. Destined to be conventionally attractive, the smartest of the bunch, but also hardworking and dedicated. A real golden-retriever or a person. My next oldest is adopted, and struggles. In public school. My youngest aspires to be a mom and a stay at home wife.

Anyways, one thing we have done (all three are girls), is to let them learn a few hard facts. One is, at least once, we encouraged them to get physical with alpha-boys. In one case, in which I got a lot of shit, I encouraged the boy, who literally was quivering when he saw me off to the side, to not hold back. He still did. But it was a valuable lesson. For everyone. You can be the strongest girl in the world. It won't matter. An average boy will school you. An above average boy will have his way with you, no matter how much you struggle.

The other thing I feel confident in is that we have exposed our kids to the cesspool of the world, in that way, from the get go. And we have directed them to realize that ours and their lives are exceptions to the world, not part of it. Some friends who raised extremely sheltered protected kids really had a hard-time transitioning those kids to adulthood. It was all too much. I've gone the other way. They see enough media to know whats out there, and to condemn it, but no so little that 10 minutes of cable television will cause them discomfort. They know a little bit about pop culture, about the world, etc.

Finally, the last big thing we did was move to a master planned community, with a lot of like minded people, and only the minorities that you would like them to be around - Spanish-speaking Spaniards relocated to be CEO of a local division, an Irishman who is a medical device engineer, a Frenchmen who runs supply chain management for a Fortune 500. In an area with 50% invaders, we live in a suburb of 8,000 with 80% anglo-white, 10% european, and 10% the type of minority who don't try to rock the boat, let alone control where it goes. Our kids ride themselves on bike to their own practices, have sisters breakfast early on Saturday morning at the diner while we sleep in (or copulate).

Results are still pending, but signs put strongly to one direction. I am always on the lookout for the "Kyle Williams" syndrome, so we don't get a little ideological clone who is just spouting for approval. That's a vector some parents miss.

Blogger CM July 05, 2016 3:17 PM  

To go along with this advice, make sure you enroll your children in a good martial arts school.

This is a goal of mine. How do you assess the quality of such a school?

Our oldest is 7 and sensitive. Teaching him how to handle emotions has been a challenge.

Also, I want him to learn woodworking but have no idea how to go about that. I do not know anyone who does it and don't know where to look.

This summer, we plan on taking a gun safety course for children while i learn to shoot.

I have 11 years to continue planting the idea that college is next to useless.

Anonymous TLM July 05, 2016 3:20 PM  

As to the university advice, a few thoughts. Despite the sham that many degrees are, it is a credential needed by those that will pursue any type of corporate position. I don't agree with it, but it is necessary.

I see a distinct difference between university athletics/athletes versus the non-athletes. The latter tend to be the ones, especially those that were never active in sports at the HS level, as the ones most susceptible to going the route of the college freshman morphing into the 'rebel' campus SJW.

And its been my experience that the homeschoolers tend to be just as self-righteous as their SJW counterparts. Think of Prius owners or people that have lived in NYC or California. Homeschoolers can't wait to tell you within 30 seconds of meeting them that they're homeschoolers.

#1. Be Present was spot on.

Blogger BunE22 July 05, 2016 3:21 PM  

The linked article is good advice but no guarantee that your kid won't be an SJW.

Hubby and I did all of those things, but our children went to public schools, the youngest of the three is SJW-lite. The NY school system is partly to blame, but she was always the one child that was overly emotional and didn't have the same values as her parents.

Some of them are born that way, something not right in the brain.

Blogger Orville July 05, 2016 3:23 PM  

CM as much as possible it needs to be done in the home, by the father. Learn woodworking together. There are lots of videos on Youtube. Get some basic tools and get to building together. Same for shooting. My son and I both took CCW together.

I recognize us dads can't be everything. For instance I know nothing on martial arts. Some things you will have to outsource. I hated scouts, but I did learn some things there.

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Blogger Chiva July 05, 2016 3:23 PM  

When my children became teens the best thing I did was let my children do what they thought was right and then let them deal with the consequences. Life is brutal, I wanted them to experience the results of their decisions while I still had some control of their environment.

Granted, I did intercede if their decision would have led to a really bad outcome (and explained why I did intervene). Overall though the lessons each of my children learned in their teens have served them well in adulthood.

Blogger Noah B July 05, 2016 3:24 PM  

RE university, I know I've said this before but I believe it bears repeating: have kids earn at least a year of credit by AP and/or CLEP before they go to university. If they won't do that, they're probably not serious enough to complete a rigorous degree program. And don't send them at all unless the university is a required part of a pathway toward some kind of state-mandated credential - and MD, CPA, PE, etc.

Blogger Orville July 05, 2016 3:27 PM  

This summer, we plan on taking a gun safety course for children while i learn to shoot.

And don't be that idiot dad in Orlando who shot one kid dead in front of the others this weekend when he was trying to fish a hot case out of his collar with the barrel of his gun. Freaking idiot.

Blogger Student in Blue July 05, 2016 3:33 PM  

@CM
This is a goal of mine. How do you assess the quality of such a school?

Here. This gentleman is very smart when it comes to these kinds of things, and spells out several warning signs including number of black belts and age of said black belts.

Blogger Student in Blue July 05, 2016 3:35 PM  

CM, take a look here as well.

Blogger Brian Niemeier July 05, 2016 3:39 PM  

"The idea of not sending one's children to university will be controversial, and hard for many Americans to even contemplate..."

An equally humorous and frustrating phenomenon resulting from this is the baffling spectacle of conservatives lambasting academia as a leftist propaganda organ in one breath and insisting that you send your kids there in the next.

Blogger Res Ipsa July 05, 2016 3:45 PM  

Getting a trade before going off to college might be the single best thing a kid, male or female can do. Having a skill and the ability to make it on ones own is true self confidence. Maybe that means being a licensed hairdresser or getting a mechanics certificate. Either way a trade is a good way to ensure that they have money in their pockets that they earned themselves. If that wonderful post degree life doesn't turn out as they planned, a trade ensures a second option if its needed.

Blogger Artemis Rand July 05, 2016 3:49 PM  

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Blogger Artemis Rand July 05, 2016 3:50 PM  

You also have to make sure to "de-program" them off of the BS/NWO garbage taught in schools-both the government indoctrination centers (Public schools) as well as the "Christian" schools.

Say what you will about Hitler but that guy had the right ideas on how to properly educate children and to not only instill national and ethnic pride but also how to make them physically, emotionally, and spiritually adequate people.

The chapter on education included in Mein Kampf is worth the purchase price alone...

Blogger kmbr July 05, 2016 4:00 PM  

**Getting a trade before going off to college might be the single best thing a kid, male or female can do.**

Just had to call a plumber last week. $180 an hour, going rate.

Anonymous John Steed July 05, 2016 4:01 PM  

@1. Try a new program on American Family Radio called `Because I Said So!`, by a former kid shrink. @45. I agree. Sometimes when I meet the folks from the local NG base I just give them a hard look and they shit themselves.

Anonymous DavidKathome July 05, 2016 4:11 PM  

I have put my foot down and refused to spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to have my children taught to hate Christianity, Western Civilization and everything else I hold dear. The amount of crap I get over it from both children and family is enormous, but I don't give a damn.

Blogger Student in Blue July 05, 2016 4:20 PM  

@63. John Steed
I agree. Sometimes when I meet the folks from the local NG base I just give them a hard look and they shit themselves.

It's not even a difference between NG and regulars, but I'm basing it wholly off of the direction Basic has been taking immediately after I graduated. Regular Army and NG take the same course after all.

Maybe if they skate by Basic they'll eventually come under an NCO who won't take that kind of crap, but that's not the formative stage of the process, Basic is. Lower enlisted and shuck and jive out of duties if they're proper scumbags just fine.

Really at this point, if you're sending your kids to boot camp so they toughen up, it's giving your kid up for adoption to the US Government and hoping that a halfway decent parent takes them in, because you couldn't hack it.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 05, 2016 4:23 PM  

@49 CM:

Looking for a quality dojo, I'd take a look at the following:

First, are they pressuring you to sign a fixed-term (like 1 year) contract? Not just a discount for a year's lessons, but a hard-sell? If so, look elsewhere.

Second, how long do they claim it will take to make 1st degree black belt? Anything under 3 years, look elsewhere. And that "3 years" should come with caveats about daily practice, with 5 years as more typical.

Third, is the instructor running some sort of a personality cult? Is it all about him? If so, look elsewhere. Good instructors are more low-key.

No good dojo will grudge you the opportunity to sit in on a class and see how they operate. Take it.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 05, 2016 4:28 PM  

The idea of not sending one's children to university will be controversial, and hard for many Americans to even contemplate, but the reality is that most young men and women don't belong at university and learn nothing that is useful or beneficial there.

This all day.

I've been screaming about this for years.

Increasingly, professors must ask themselves not just What is the best way to teach this material? but also Might the most sensitive student in the class take offense if I say this, and then post it online, and then ruin my career?"

No they aren't going to complain to you. That would be way too confrontational for Obama voting Millennials. Instead they will behave as proper little informants for the stasi and will go running screaming and sobbing with tears pouring down their cheeks to the diversity provosts.

So not only is going to college a bad idea for young men but teaching there is now huge mistake as well.

The entire point of a university education is to learn critical reasoning. Everything else is just trade school stuff. It's high end trade school stuff to be certain but at the end of the day it's a trade. Going to a college is supposed to put you outside your mental comfort zone. Now its worse than nursery school. Administrators don't listen when the babies at nursery school complain about something.

A university is not meant to be a safe space.

Thanks to Twitter and Facebook networking plus SJW thought policing. Today's crop of university students have taken the education out of their college education.


Bottomline today's university has a culture that aggressively promotes mental illness and I'm being serious for once.

Anonymous Quartermaster July 05, 2016 4:31 PM  

@38
I used to tell kids that didn't know what they wanted to do with their lives to do a hitch. I usually pointed to the Air Force or Navy because you had a very good selection of jobs in those services that would give you skills you could make living with outside if you liked it.

These days, I tell kids to stay away, far away, from the military.

@45
I started discouraging military service in the mid 90s. Billary converged the services and it wasn't worth it anymore. Now I tell kids to spend a year at a Community college with a job on the side and figure out what you want to do.

It's not so much a matter of the kid needing the boot camp experience, it was the change in outlook one got from boot camp and a 4 year hitch. Even good responsible kids got a large benefit from that. If the kid “needs” the experience, it probably won't help them much anyway.

Blogger CM July 05, 2016 4:39 PM  

@52 Orville
I recognize us dads can't be everything. For instance I know nothing on martial arts. Some things you will have to outsource.

Yes. I do not expect my husband to be everything. He is highly respected at work, works hard, provides for his family, and enjoys his family. I do not wish to cause friction in our household over learning new skills, but his father did not pass down the hand-working skills to his sons and I would like my sons to learn those things, especially if I do not want them going to college.

I did send the link of that site to my husband.

@56 SIB and @65 Napoleon
Thanks! This is good information!

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 05, 2016 4:40 PM  

The myth that everyone should go to college is one of the big things that wrecked America.

In Don Draper's day only about 10% of the population had a sheepskin and we were better off for it. We simply dont' need all of the useless degrees that are out there and frankly never did.

Thanks to the draft and a military requirement that all officers had to be college graduate, the university system exploded.

You will note that the drive to send everyone in America with double digit IQs to college.(Remember this poster) started about the time that the draft stopped.

Now free college is about to become a right.

Where does this end?

Everyone should be a Doctor!

EVERYONE DESERVES TO BE A DOCTOR!!!

Blogger Were-Puppy July 05, 2016 4:56 PM  

OT: Look at this new SJW website

Help us fight racism, expose ignorance, blah blah blah
http://helloracist.com/

Pretty sure they will use this to try and get people fired for offending the SJWs.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling July 05, 2016 4:57 PM  

@50 TLM:

As to the university advice, a few thoughts. Despite the sham that many degrees are, it is a credential needed by those that will pursue any type of corporate position. I don't agree with it, but it is necessary.

There are two big issues here: one is that as a signal, a high school diploma has become worthless, so a higher education degree as replaced it.

The other is that one of the big successes of WWII, workplace testing, was effectively outlawed by Griggs v. Duke Power Co. in 1970, so companies can't allow you to skip getting that degree by that route.

And not everyone is cut out for something other than working for the man, that's true for my youngest brother, despite all the entrepreneurial blood in his body and all our parents taught him directly or indirectly about it (or, who knows, maybe because of the latter, it's hard in its own way).

Blogger Were-Puppy July 05, 2016 4:59 PM  

@3 J A Baker

To go along with this advice, make sure you enroll your children in a good martial arts school.
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2nd that motion. It will at least help them get some discipline.

Blogger Artemis Rand July 05, 2016 5:00 PM  

@ 70

If I don't get listed on that site I will be super pissed !

In fact, they BETTER tell my employer that I am a racist so I can get that raise I have been asking for for a while...

Blogger Artemis Rand July 05, 2016 5:01 PM  

@ 72

Hitler advocated that all students either learn boxing and/or martial arts during their school hood career.

Made perfect sense-toughens you up, makes you learn how to take a punch, give a punch, and makes you aware of your surroundings....

Blogger Were-Puppy July 05, 2016 5:50 PM  

@29 BluePony
One interesting thing I found in the embedded world is that using a goto does not get you immediately burned at the stake. I think because you're so close to the metal at this point it's similar to branching in assembler.
---

Back when I did assembler programming, they didn't like gotos. Instead, it was jump and jump relatives.

Blogger Markku July 05, 2016 6:31 PM  

if(error)
goto return_error;
...
return 0;
...

return_error:
{cleanup functions for dynamically allocated memory}
return 1;

Is perfectly acceptable and anyone who says otherwise has had his mind corrupted by college/university.

Anonymous BGKB July 05, 2016 6:47 PM  

I'd argue that teaching honesty should be #1. The kids should know that if they screw up, it means the cane...but if they lie

They are going to have to lie when the schools ask about guns in the house or if non Asian minorities are equal.

and spells out several warning signs including number of black belts and age of said black belts

You can just buy black belts at any men's store. How you practice will be how you fight.

direction Basic has been taking immediately after I graduated. Regular Army and NG take the same course after all.

I told Kratman that when I got my EFMB the general handing them out would hit it in for blood wings for those that wanted it, but I put my first aid dressing in place so it didn't bother me. They wouldn't even do that for rangerettes now.

the hand-working skills to his sons and I would like my sons to learn those things, especially if I do not want them going to college

Have you checked out the Do It Yourself classes at places like the Home Depot/Lowes?

workplace testing, was effectively outlawed by Griggs v. Duke Power Co. in 1970, so companies can't allow you to skip getting that degree by that route.

I have known some old time RNs that didn't go to school they just took the RN test and passed. Now I have heard of nursing students claiming fill in the blank tests are racist. That's how you end up with the black nurse that got on a plane with Ebola symptoms there was no multiple choice question before the got on.

Blogger Groot July 05, 2016 6:49 PM  

@1. Josh:

You will have astonishingly little influence, as they come out being who they are. You will learn gratitude and humility (and I am Groot: humility does not come easily).

Two of my numerous offspring are fraternal twins. Despite identical parentage, environment, schooling, etc., they are radically different people. One is an explosively creative angsty artist in drawing, painting, music, acting, and was making good bucks at 13 making cosplay outfits for others. The other is an obsessive straight-A student and state-champion athlete who drills and practices until exhaustion, homework done first thing in the door. This one will go to a great college and be a boss; the other one maybe.

I highly recommend going to graduate school to Stanford or an ivy school, if you can, though. I'm a loud libertarian, and the teachers loved me: Sure, I was contradicting them, but I was interested rather than falling asleep, and I'd get the whole class into impassioned arguments. And afterward it's like being tall or good-looking: it makes life so much easier. I can write an 80-page Statement of Work, filled with technical explications and business bon mots, but the only thing they want to talk about is the Masters from Stanford.

Blogger Bard July 05, 2016 7:08 PM  

BB gun wars
Dirt clod fights
Building and jumping own bicycle ramp without a helmet
And jujitsu
That should do it

Anonymous MendoScot July 05, 2016 7:42 PM  

Tom Kratman wrote:No, I don't have answers, but I _am_ interesting in suggestions.

Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song
To such deep delight t'would win me
That with music loud and long
I would build that dome in air!
That sunny dome, those caves of ice.
And all who heard should see them there
And all should cry beware! Beware
His flashing eyes his floating hair.
Weave a circle around him thrice
And close your eyes with holy dread
For he on honeydew hath fed.
And drunk the milk of paradise.

Punctuation, mine.

Anonymous Dave Gerrold's 6184th cabana boy July 05, 2016 9:58 PM  

" it really is pointless to take classes from someone who isn't at the top of the field. "

If you are talking about an Engineering degree, this point is simply retarded.

Find the program with the best ROI and choose that one.


Blogger Michael Maier July 05, 2016 10:40 PM  

BB gun wars are just stupid.

Paintball with eye protection FTFW. Proof of hits brings the ego in. That's at least as important as pain avoidance in learning combat.

Blogger Neanderzerk July 05, 2016 11:19 PM  

If you don't send your daughter to college, how will she learn to strip?

Anonymous andon July 05, 2016 11:45 PM  

the answer of course is no tv and homeschool

Anonymous Wendy S July 06, 2016 12:09 AM  

I have learned to walk away when my son's dad, grandfather (my dad), uncles, or even my daughter's boyfriend engage him in anything. That is man stuff & not my domain. I have no say & I know they love him as much as I do, so any life lessons imparted, any minor injuries collected, any harsh lessons meted out...not my place to question. I don't even want to know a single detail. That is their world.

It actually makes my life easier.

Blogger Groot July 06, 2016 12:53 AM  

@85. Wendy S:

I have myself followed this perhaps wise advice. If the grandparents (my in-laws), e.g., want them for a couple of weeks in the summer, then go with those who love them and learn their (often) peculiar ways. Soon they pass. Love enriches.

Anonymous Flyting Adynaton July 06, 2016 1:12 AM  

I haven't heard religious vocations talked about much these days. Naturally a lot depends on the type of church you're involved with ... too many are SJW converged now, but not all.

Blogger praetorian July 06, 2016 1:33 AM  

http://helloracist.com/

They have disqus comments. People are trolling the shit out of them.

Do you see what Trump has done, Josh? Do you see?

Blogger rho July 06, 2016 1:39 AM  

The hardest lesson for a parent is the one that teaches them they are not entirely in control of their children's lives. Sometimes this lesson comes when the child is a teen or pre-teen. Sometimes this lesson comes day one, hour one in a NICU.

The lesson is the same, however: it doesn't matter how much you love them, their lives are ultimately beyond your control.

That said, the ROK article had pretty good general advice. If I were to boil it down to a single idea, it would be "allow the kid to come into their own personality." They will do this anyway, once beyond a parent's direct purview, so the goal is to direct them in the ways that are least harmful. (For example, obsession with video games may indicate a competitive personality; that competitive spirit may be more usefully directed towards sports, martial arts, music or visual arts.)

The only iron goals I have for mine are:

1. Learn to swim, and to swim well.
2. Learn to cook.
3. Learn basic natural science.

If your child can avoid drowning, eat a rice and beans diet and find North, you've done better than 75% of human history.

VD's suggestion of teaching the value of honesty is very good, but I'm not sure honesty is learnable. It is trainable, but I think honesty requires abstract thinking that is highly genetic.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra July 06, 2016 4:04 AM  

The NEA steeped in humanism, intense atheism, a love of AGW evolution and perversions warped many generations thus the outcome is SJW.

Mind Rape 100% to the extent that I dont know how to bring back any sjw from grave errors in reason, logic., etc., its like a lost cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JkmhwYcZVQ

Blogger Tom Kratman July 06, 2016 4:39 AM  

"BB gun wars are just stupid."

We use to use them in Panama for close quarters force on force training quite a bit.

And then they bought those ones you can pump up about a dozen or twenty times and get roughly .22 short velocities out of. Oh, sure, the boys were _told_ not to pump them more than once...

Blogger Tom Kratman July 06, 2016 4:41 AM  

"BB gun wars are just stupid."

We use to use them in Panama for close quarters force on force training quite a bit.

And then they bought those ones you can pump up about a dozen or twenty times and get roughly .22 short velocities out of. Oh, sure, the boys were _told_ not to pump them more than once...

Anonymous andon July 06, 2016 8:15 AM  

@ #88 - I think we should respond with hellocryptokike dot com

Blogger Joseph Sheppard July 06, 2016 10:15 AM  

Teach them where their food comes from. I can't over-state this. So many misconceptions begin with getting the God-given hierarchy of man and beast confused. Animals have a purpose, have feelings, but do not have a soul.

Blogger maniacprovost July 06, 2016 11:15 AM  

Woodworking can be dangerous. If you teach yourself and your kid, make sure you know what you're doing. If you do it right, there's no risk. Most experienced carpenters don't even use safety glasses, guards on saws, etc. But there have been plenty of lost thumbs, mangled feet, electrocutions, eye damage...

As manly and empowering as danger is, you should approach woodworking/auto repair etc. with common sense, just like shooting.

Blogger CM July 06, 2016 5:17 PM  

For example, obsession with video games may indicate a competitive personality; that competitive spirit may be more usefully directed towards sports, martial arts, music or visual arts.

I have one of these, a second one in the works (loves those buttons!)

My hope is that I can teach or provide the opportunity to learn a productive skill/hobby/craft. Something that puts their hands to work and produces tangible results.

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