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Friday, July 29, 2016

Mailvox: Jesus Christ and the SS hierarchy

This was a fascinating take on interpreting the original Alpha and Omega and applying it to the observable socio-sexual hierarchy.
As we believe Jesus is fully God and fully Man, I also believe him to have fully exhibited the redeemed traits of every rank of men. In the Teacher we each see our own place in his Kingdom and our own wavelength of light to the world, forming together as his Body now on earth the same pure light that shone through his flesh many years ago.

 α: Christ was the alpha male when he overturned the tables in the Temple and drove out his enemies with a whip. He as the alpha male when he rebuked the Pharisees to their face in public, demolishing their power and credibility in the most humiliating way possible.

The glory of the alpha male, redeemed, is the power he exerts over immoral and weak leaders. When he asserts his dominance over the corrupt he brings justice to the world as no other can, and he provides upright leadership and inspiration that other men and women thirst for without even realizing it. The alpha has the power and energy to inspire in his followers the best of themselves for his cause.
Read the whole thing at Alpha Game.

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Blogger Unknown July 29, 2016 10:16 AM  

My own feminine sensibilities have brought me to tears and given me chills reading that.

New meaning to all things to all people.

It also is incredibly powerful in the purpose it gives to those that are most despised among us if only they would let Christmas work in them.

Blogger S1AL July 29, 2016 10:19 AM  

That particular interpretation of gamma is very different.

Blogger CM July 29, 2016 10:19 AM  

@1 Was commented by me... on my husband's tablet with auto-correct enabled =p

Blogger Dexter July 29, 2016 10:20 AM  

The SS hierarchy?

Let's see...
Leibstandarte
Das Reich
Totenkopf
Wiking
Hohenstaufen
Frundsberg
Hitlerjugend

Then work down through the increasingly crappy infantry units until you get to the Dirlewanger Brigade.

Blogger S1AL July 29, 2016 10:22 AM  

Or, for the fantasy geeks - most gammas think they're Strider; most are actually Wormtongue.

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 29, 2016 10:23 AM  

"Jesus, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!"

Blogger CM July 29, 2016 10:26 AM  

VD - in the preamble of the linked post you stated you didn't fully agree with it.

I'm curious what your contentions are... are you willing to share? The comments are interesting. I liked the idea that gammas would best serve in a monastic setting... though how "lambda" is described around here, I'd expect those to be the best for monastic living.

Blogger Melampus the Seer July 29, 2016 10:39 AM  

Couldn't agree less.

Blogger professorastro July 29, 2016 10:39 AM  

Ever see this over at CH?

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/jesus-had-game/

Anonymous Hippy Jesus July 29, 2016 10:40 AM  

but but muh "Hippie Jesus"

Anonymous Someguy July 29, 2016 10:46 AM  

There were times when Jesus was undoubtedly perceived as the most important man in the room, and others when he was despised by nearly everyone; but Jesus always perfectly exemplified God's moral law. This shows that one's moral duties can be fulfilled regardless of one's sociosexual status. But there are traits which are associated with the ranks by commentators that Jesus never exemplified, because they are character flaws. He never exhibited overreaching arrogance as an alpha might or the spiteful resentment attributed to gammas. There is a difference between one's SS rank, which is per se amoral and one's character, which is moral, although there is in many cases a relationship. I believe this is because the SS hierarchy exists relative to others' subjective perceptions and not relative to objective morality. Character virtues/flaws influence the rank, but they do not in and of themselves determine the rank; the perceptions of others determines it.

Anonymous Jill July 29, 2016 11:03 AM  

This sort of reading reeks of English class literary analysis. Instead of "queering" the text, the author is "gaming" it.

Blogger CM July 29, 2016 11:08 AM  

This sort of reading reeks of English class literary analysis. Instead of "queering" the text, the author is "gaming" it.

I happened to enjoy literary analysis. I didn't experience any "queering", though. I enjoy the analysis of themes, motifs, and story development.

Studying scripture is largely that way. My "theory" (it isn't a particularly unique one, but an argument I haven't heard vocalized more often) of the significance of the marital relationship as an illustration of God's relationship with us IS a literary analysis of the text.

Anonymous das cheddarman July 29, 2016 11:21 AM  

@ 9 "Ever see this over at CH?

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/jesus-had-game/" - professorastro

he left out the woman at the well. An excellent example of Jesus teaching the disciples (and us as readers of the text game through His actions

Anonymous patrick kelly July 29, 2016 11:27 AM  

Who is AF and where is the source article?

Blogger Dave July 29, 2016 11:32 AM  

@4 Dexter

Knew somebody would go there but that was quick.

Blogger Student in Blue July 29, 2016 11:36 AM  

@14. patrick kelly
Who is AF and where is the source article?

Someone who emailed Vox.

Blogger kurt9 July 29, 2016 11:52 AM  

SS means socio=sexual, not Schutzstaffel.

Anonymous Camilla Cameo July 29, 2016 11:55 AM  

@7 Not if you know what St. Peter Damian did.

Anonymous VFMUltra July 29, 2016 12:07 PM  

As we believe...

Speak for yourself.

Jesus is fully God and fully Man,..

This phrase isn't scriptural.

I also believe him to have fully exhibited the redeemed traits of every rank of men.

Some people believe in AGW too.

In the Teacher we each see our own place...

There is no place at the table for those who claim to "see" their seat before they are judged.

...in his Kingdom..

That's the Almighty's, his Father's, Kingdom.

...and our own wavelength of light to the world, forming together as his...

Meaningless pseudo-spiritual churchian platitude.

...Body now on earth...

Resurrection much?

...the same pure light that shone through his flesh many years ago.

Whatever drugs the churchians do, they are strong.

Anonymous Farnswords July 29, 2016 12:09 PM  

@1, CM

"My own feminine sensibilities have brought me to tears and given me chills reading that.

New meaning to all things to all people.

It also is incredibly powerful in the purpose it gives to those that are most despised among us if only they would let Christmas work in them."


I'm so glad you enjoyed the essay. That is precisely the reason I wrote it. In the world, men are often doomed to their rank, but in Christ people find fulfillment in what was once despised. Jesus displayed this all the time when he interacted with the lowest people in society (Zacchaeus comes to mind), but I think the most beautiful expression of it appears in 1 Corinthians 12.

I worked in a campus ministry for about 8 years, and I saw this at work constantly. Baptism doesn't wash the gamma off a man, but the transformation that does occur is peculiar to him and has its own glory and definitely its own benefit to the Kingdom.

That typo, by the way, is priceless. If only we would all let Christmas work in us, what a great world this would be.

Anonymous Instasetting July 29, 2016 12:10 PM  

This is, or can be, part of what being High Omega means. Having a million naked poseurs scream at you in unison, and seeing them as they truly are, and seeing yourself truly as well.

One of the differences, I suspect, between Gamma and Omega is that the Omega has a terrifying honesty.

And then forgiving the broken souls who loudly claim they are not broken.

Lars Walker, in 'Blood and Thunder' I think has a scene where all the nastiness in the world snowballed down a hill, and smacked right into Christ. And then He turned about and gave forth good, if I remember right.

Another Omega scene in Christ's life might be where He said 'I Am.' The simple, unadorned, this is the way things are, and I know you twits are not going to agree with me is an Omega thing as well.

Blogger Dexter July 29, 2016 12:15 PM  

kurt9 July 29, 2016 11:52 AM

SS means socio=sexual, not Schutzstaffel.


Troll post taken seriously = TEN POINTS FOR SLYTHERIN, WOOHOO!

Anonymous Farnswords July 29, 2016 12:15 PM  

@20, VFMUltra

This isn't primarily a theological treatise; I hope your antipathy to my spiritual views doesn't stop you from reading the rest.

Blogger clk July 29, 2016 12:28 PM  

There is little more contary to Jesus and his teaching than the social sexual approach to judging man..... please this is either profound stupidity or a joke.. i hope the later.

Blogger clk July 29, 2016 12:29 PM  

I am the alpha and the omega doesnt not refer to the social ss... :)

Blogger newanubis July 29, 2016 12:34 PM  

Rommel? From my favorite movie- nice!

Anonymous 11B July 29, 2016 12:36 PM  

Vox, this is off topic but you are knowledgeable about ancient history, so I thought you might be interested in setting this guy straight.

Here is a twitter discussion where a guy named Mike Duncan is tweeting about the Romans and trying to relate it to modern America. Usually guys use the fall of Rome as an example for America not to follow. But this guy seems to be suggesting Rome opening up to the world and allowing everyone in was great, and that America should do the same.

Here are his first two tweets in this topic:


1/ One thing I really grok'd writing The History of Rome: the Romans were always at their best when race/ethnicity/origin didn't matter

2/ They always courted disaster when they got rigid and tried to keep people out.

Blogger The Reactionary July 29, 2016 12:42 PM  

"Jesus and the SS Hierarchy"

He is my Oberst-gruppenfuhrer.

Anonymous BGKB July 29, 2016 12:44 PM  

Anyone seen Tommy Hass? http://pamelageller.com/2016/07/violent-explosion-outside-german-office-for-migration-arab-men-fled-scene.html/

OT:When I saw this tweet and the responses I wonder just how many leftists where stupid enough to shout “Join Them”. The instructions for countering Bernie chants: https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/758858618779217921

Anonymous Das Cheddarman July 29, 2016 1:23 PM  

My Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, would be a "shit lord" or "Shit Lord of Shit Lords" in the eyes of a gamma.

No wonder Scalzi is an atheist.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 29, 2016 2:16 PM  

“The societal or sociosexual ranks of men, namely alpha, beta, delta, gamma, sigma, and omega, are in themselves nonmoral aspects of men.”


According to whom? How are they nonmoral aspects? The author’s argument is based on this assumption without providing background.

“Although we place societal value on each, since a man does not fully choose his rank but is subject to it by nature, he cannot be morally judged on account of it.”

Man designates that rank onto himself, or other men place that rank onto him. 
In both instances, those distinctions may be entirely inaccurate or untrue. As a result, the higher man makes a moral judgement of his rank as being more important or more desirable than the lower man. Moreover, there is observably contempt by an “alpha” regarding the conduct of “gammas”. For example, when a gamma engages in behavior that puts women on a “pedestal”, or comes to her defense, i.e. “white knighting”, the alpha male makes a moral judgement regarding that behavior, one of disgust and contempt.

“Naturally, every man falls and is dragged into sin, and normally into the sins of his rank.”

The sins of being HUMAN. Rank does not apply here.

“But in Christ a man is redeemed, and redeemed according to the godly aspects of his own nature.”

Redeemed according to His judgement in relation to the transgression, not rank.

“The question posed is what redemption looks like in each rank, what a man in Christ ought to strive for in the knowledge of his placement in the Body.”

Please show me exactly where in the Bible God redeems people according to their “rank” in the sexual-social hierarchy, I must have missed it in Bible school.


Isaiah 44:22--I have blotted out your transgressions like a cloud and your sins like mist; return to me, for I have redeemed you.

As far as whether Christ was an alpha in this situation or a beta in that situation, that is blasphemy in its highest form. Human beings ascribing worldly features onto Him and making their own moral judgements as to how he fits into a man-made ranking system.

Blogger SirHamster July 29, 2016 2:23 PM  

VFMUltra wrote:As we believe...

Speak for yourself.


The full sentence establishes the audience and the perspective used, you Gamma twit.

VFMs have numbers. You're in the Unwitting Minion Brigade.

Blogger residentMoron July 29, 2016 3:18 PM  

"There is no place at the table for those who claim to "see" their seat before they are judged."

The essay *might* be an error, sure, but if it is, this is far, far worse.

If there is no assurance of salvation in your religion, then you are of all men most miserable.

Now, what was that thing about planks and specks ... ???

Blogger CM July 29, 2016 3:20 PM  

Redeemed according to His judgement in relation to the transgression, not rank.

One church I went to had a pastor who was doing a study on the gifts of the spirit. Each gift, he asserted had a fallen, pre-Christ exhibition and a redeemed, post-Christ exhibition.

His argument was that we have innate gifts that we have even pre-conversion that have been corrupted. After conversion, the Spirit sanctifies those innate gifts and makes them more Christ-like.

Since every man is different, I do not expect their redemption to look exactly the same. Different personalities, different characteristics, different gifts. I saw this analysis as taking a modern gimmick of categorizing these personalities and characteristics and looking at what they COULD be after redemption.

Haven't you guys socio-sexually ranked the apostles already? So why is this so beyond the pale?

And for the Christ as Alpha being a bit weak, Christ's first coming was not as a leader, but a servant. The King of Kings is when he returns.

Blogger CM July 29, 2016 3:27 PM  

As far as whether Christ was an alpha in this situation or a beta in that situation, that is blasphemy in its highest form. Human beings ascribing worldly features onto Him and making their own moral judgements as to how he fits into a man-made ranking system.

He put himself in a man-made ranking system when he called himself a servant-king.

Blogger J A Baker July 29, 2016 4:35 PM  

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Blogger Were-Puppy July 29, 2016 4:48 PM  

Very interesting article. Is it possible to fall into two categories? Or have parts of them both? Is it possible to pass from one category into another due to things like a devastating illness?

Blogger Student in Blue July 29, 2016 5:28 PM  

@Rhetoric Man
According to whom? How are they nonmoral aspects? The author’s argument is based on this assumption without providing background.

According to the guy who came up with the categories to begin with.

Anonymous Farnswords July 29, 2016 5:59 PM  

@32, Rhetoric Man

As far as whether Christ was an alpha in this situation or a beta in that situation, that is blasphemy in its highest form. Human beings ascribing worldly features onto Him and making their own moral judgements as to how he fits into a man-made ranking system.

I'm quite sure he ascribed worldly features onto Himself by taking on flesh. If I postulate that Jesus probably stubbed his toe on occasion, would you consider that blasphemy in its highest form?

Also, I don't think an alpha's contempt of a gamma is necessarily a moral judgment. I think it is a visceral reaction that occurs even when the gamma is doing nothing morally wrong. It is important for men in the church to see light in one another, even if it isn't they same kind of light they possess.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 29, 2016 6:03 PM  

CM…

“Since every man is different, I do not expect their redemption to look exactly the same. Different personalities, different characteristics, different gifts. I saw this analysis as taking a modern gimmick of categorizing these personalities and characteristics and looking at what they COULD be after redemption.”

God will redeem His followers through the gifts of love and forgiveness. These gifts are universal.

“He put himself in a man-made ranking system when he called himself a servant-king.”


Again, please show me exactly where in the Bible God redeems people according to their “rank” in the sexual-social hierarchy.


Student In Blue…

“According to the guy who came up with the categories to begin with.”

The author of the piece specified that the ranks themselves are “nonmoral aspects of men”. He merely assumes it is true. Where is the context? Where is the elaboration?

Blogger Jeff D July 29, 2016 6:09 PM  

The socio-sexual hierarchy is a product of fallen man. Jesus was just genuine, if you can imagine that.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 29, 2016 6:16 PM  

"I'm quite sure he ascribed worldly features onto Himself by taking on flesh."

But not creating this sexual-social hierarchy. But not categorizing His behavior according to those ranks, which are the creation of fallen men.

"If I postulate that Jesus probably stubbed his toe on occasion, would you consider that blasphemy in its highest form?"

You are just being silly here.

"Also, I don't think an alpha's contempt of a gamma is necessarily a moral judgment. I think it is a visceral reaction that occurs even when the gamma is doing nothing morally wrong. It is important for men in the church to see light in one another, even if it isn't they same kind of light they possess."

You are using weasel words.

This visceral reaction is in the form of a moral judgement. There is observable scorn by the alleged "higher man" toward the "lower man" behaviors. The lower man, according to the values of the upper man, is acting in other than a masculine manner. When the lower man engages in essential "cuckish" behavior, he is deemed inferior. This "light" is extinguished when the lower man engages in essential "cuckish" behavior. The higher man says to the lower man "You are not on my level. You ought not to treat women in this fashion."

Would Jesus condone such judgement under such a social arrangement?

"Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; seeing that his divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of him who called us by his own
glory and excellence. For by these He has granted to us his precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakes of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust." (Peter 1:2-4).

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 29, 2016 6:45 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:Very interesting article. Is it possible to fall into two categories? Or have parts of them both? Is it possible to pass from one category into another due to things like a devastating illness?

Can an introvert become an extravert?

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 29, 2016 6:48 PM  

Jeff D wrote:The socio-sexual hierarchy is a product of fallen man. Jesus was just genuine, if you can imagine that.

How did he take his coffee?

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 29, 2016 6:53 PM  

WinstonWebb wrote:"Jesus, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!"

Only had two genders, No Award.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 29, 2016 6:56 PM  

clk wrote:There is little more contary to Jesus and his teaching than the social sexual approach to judging man..... please this is either profound stupidity or a joke.. i hope the later.

It's easier to see what men aren't when you can see what they are.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 29, 2016 7:02 PM  

Farnswords wrote:@1, CM

"My own feminine sensibilities have brought me to tears and given me chills reading that.

New meaning to all things to all people.

It also is incredibly powerful in the purpose it gives to those that are most despised among us if only they would let Christmas work in them."


...

That typo, by the way, is priceless. If only we would all let Christmas work in us, what a great world this would be.


If there were nothing true left in the world except Christmas, I think people could still find their way into grace.

Anonymous Farnswords July 29, 2016 7:13 PM  

@43, Rhetoric Man

I think our disagreement is pretty fundamental. I am thinking of these ranks as at least partly nonmoral facets of men, like personality traits.

The fact that an alpha naturally looks down on a gamma isn't immoral in itself; it is just a part of his nature that can be used for good or evil. It depends on whether he can focus this strength on the gammas that really are bad, as I explained in the essay. Christ can use his masculine power to conquer evil in the world, the same masculine power that tempts him to look down on his gamma brothers at church. My goal was to show what these redeemed characteristics look like when subjected to God's will and used for God's glory. Redeemed, as in "not what they were before," as in "he is a new creation, the old has gone and the new has come." So my answer to your question is that Jesus would redeem such judgment, focus it where it belongs and mollify it where it doesn't.

But if you think these traits are always inherently moral problems, then we are really not even talking about the same subject.

But I do have a question for you. Apparently I am a blasphemer, silly, and a weasel. If you had to choose just one, what would it be?

Anonymous Camilla Cameo July 29, 2016 7:30 PM  

Very interesting and while I don't think quite accurate, not at all blasphemous. The Alpha, Sigma, and Omega parts ring truest to me.

I think the Gamma bit has much to teach, but the thing is, He actually is a King, Gammas are not, and if they acknowledge that and attain humility they won't be Gamma anymore. Gamma (and more so, Lambda) are the categories that have an immoral component so to be Christlike one must endeavor to escape them.

And the Delta bit confuses me. Surely non-Delta men sometimes show kindness to women? What Christ did wasn't pedestalizing or white knighting like a Delta romanticist, He just offered women Divine Love and Salvation too.

But overall, it does show how all sorts can find example and guide in Him to be virtuous whatever one's rank.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 29, 2016 8:01 PM  

On Gammas, reposted from Alpha Game:

It bears mentioning that Gamma and Omega are pathological conditions, and not true male hierarchy positions. If this is true, then these boxes only exist because there are so many men who spill out of the proper ones.

But the best lies work because they pervert deep truths. Think about this mental process: "If you knew who and what I am, you'd treat me with respect." There is a profound sense of value hidden behind the egoistic interpretation.

We've been called sons of God. Talk about secret kings! A Gamma's repentance is to cast his crown before the throne in the semblance of Jesus, who was raised up by his Father like Moses raised the snake in the desert.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 29, 2016 9:03 PM  

@44 Aeoli Pera

Can an introvert become an extravert?
---

I'm wondering the exact opposite, and extravert into an introvert.

Blogger doofus July 29, 2016 10:05 PM  

The reaction of the #NeverTrumpers to the realization that their hero, Gary "Baked Alaska" Johnson, is a fraud and a con-man is going to be hilarious.

Ilya, a prominent Libertarian and a member of the Cato Institute asks the question, "Is Johnson-Weld a Libertarian ticket?"

Spoiler: No.

http://www.cato.org/blog/johnson-weld-libertarian-ticket

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 29, 2016 10:41 PM  

I guess that's why it's hard to perceive Mr. Trump as an Alpha male when you've grown up with Christan Alphas.

The secular versions seem weak and grotesque in comparison.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 29, 2016 10:44 PM  

I guess that's why it's hard to perceive Mr. Trump as an Alpha male when you've grown up with Christan Alphas.

The secular versions seem weak and grotesque in comparison.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 29, 2016 11:39 PM  

Jeff D...

“The socio-sexual hierarchy is a product of fallen man. Jesus was just genuine, if you can imagine that.”

No, the elitists here cannot imagine that Him being genuine in His glory without regard to the socio-sexual hierarchy.

Aeoli...

“It's easier to see what men aren't when you can see what they are.”



Assuming you are able to truly see what they are not because you are able to see what they are objectively and rationally. Only God has that ultimate power.

“It bears mentioning that Gamma and Omega are pathological conditions, and not true male hierarchy positions.”



According to whom? Has this been actually and ultimately established as fact?

Farnswords...

“I am thinking of these ranks as at least partly nonmoral facets of men, like personality traits.”

Now you are backtracking to “partly nonmoral”. Would this be gamma behavior on your part?

“The fact that an alpha naturally looks down on a gamma isn't immoral in itself; it is just a part of his nature that can be used for good or evil.”



There is a conscious decision by the alpha to show disdain for the gamma based on what he believes ought to be the “proper” conduct for a given situation. It is a learned behavior. God as alpha does not naturally look down on gammas. He looks at the person committing sin.

“Christ can use his masculine power to conquer evil in the world, the same masculine power that tempts him to look down on his gamma brothers at church.”


Christ looks down at the sinner, not at “gammas”. Are you able to offer specific verses regarding His outlook in this particular regard? More importantly, please show me exactly where in the Bible God redeems people according to their “rank” in the sexual-social hierarchy.

“So my answer to your question is that Jesus would redeem such judgment, focus it where it belongs, and mollify it where it doesn't.”


By rendering said judgement as a fallen person according to His standards, not under the purview of a man-made hierarchy.

“But if you think these traits are always inherently moral problems, then we are really not even talking about the same subject.”


The application of this hierarchy by God in His judgement of his adherents is the issue. God, who is perfect, has no need to employ a rank artificially created by the fallen; rather, he will use His own standards to judge the actions as people living under His domain. The alpha, the beta, the lambda--when Christian men are labeled by their fellow Christian men in this regard on preconceived notions and predetermined criteria, there is a distinct judgement which ultimately raises the eyebrow of God.

Blogger Bard July 30, 2016 12:22 AM  

Blasphemy: using your mind to analyze reality outside the established doctrines. Got it. Thanks for that. The author's intent was genuine and thought provoking. I enjoyed it.

Blogger Bard July 30, 2016 12:24 AM  

Is it blasphemous to define blasphemy?

Blogger Bard July 30, 2016 12:24 AM  

Is it blasphemous to define blasphemy?

Blogger Bard July 30, 2016 12:24 AM  

Blasphemy: using your mind to analyze reality outside the established doctrines. Got it. Thanks for that. The author's intent was genuine and thought provoking. I enjoyed it.

Blogger residentMoron July 30, 2016 1:57 AM  

Still blindly wielding that plank, eh?

It's a lot of words just to say you disagree. Yeah I think most people get that in your first comment.

Know when to stop.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 30, 2016 1:52 PM  

Student In Blue...

"Practically by definition, a Gamma is a man who lies to himself about almost everything."

Again, WHO'S definition?

"The more Gamma they are, the more they are trapped in that delusion. A lie is at the core of their being, so when that lie is carved out so is their being."

What "lie"? Are you not projecting here there alleged weaknesses?

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