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Sunday, July 10, 2016

Narrative collapse

John Derbyshire contemplates the way in which the media is no longer able to reliably sustain their chosen Narrative following a nationally-covered incident
The specter of Narrative Collapse hovers over all these kinds of incidents now. The Narrative favored and promoted by black race activists and Main Stream Media Goodwhites is of heartless white authority figures doing violence against helpless, harmless blacks. The MSM do everything they can to reinforce that narrative. That’s why the most-publicized photograph of Trayvon Martin, who was 17 years old when George Zimmerman shot him in 2012, was one taken when he was twelve years old.

In all too many cases, that initial MSM Narrative collapses when all the details come in.

Of the three dead black guys here, two were clearly not harmless. Delrawn Small had a long rap sheet listing 19 arrests. He served three prison terms between 1996 and 2010, for attempted robbery, attempted drug sale to an undercover cop, and a stabbing. Not harmless.

Alton Sterling likewise had a rap sheet showing felony arrests. His court-appearance history across the last 21 years includes battery both simple and aggravated, public intimidation, carnal knowledge of a juvenile, domestic violence, burglary, receiving stolen goods, robbery, theft, drug possession, resisting arrest, possession of stolen firearm, sound reproduction without consent, and failure to register as a sex offender.

The third shootee, Philando Castile, may have been harmless: His only criminal offenses have been low-level traffic misdemeanors. Of all three cases, this is the one you’d have to say is least likely to suffer Narrative Collapse, although on the knowledge we have so far, it’s not impossible the shooting was justified.

The underlying issue here: the very high levels of violence and criminality among blacks.

The differences are really enormous. But government and the MSM do their best to play them down, for fear we Badwhite peasants will march on the ghetto with pitchforks and flaming brands. So ordinary citizens are startled, even disbelieving, when you show them the numbers.

My colleague Edwin S. Rubinstein has crunched those numbers, with references to official sources, in his booklet The Color of Crime. Here’s a couple at random:
  • In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder
  • A black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
 Etc. If you remove Hispanics from the non-black category—which is hard to do, as the authorities would prefer you didn’t—the differences for homicide are even greater.

In a society where blacks are living among non-blacks, it’s natural and reasonable for blacks to be regarded by the rest of us as dangerous. This isn’t as much a factor for us middle-class types moving among well-socialized middle-class blacks. But for cops, who have to deal with the underclass, it’s got to be on their minds in every encounter. No wonder they’re on a hair-trigger in arrest and traffic stop situations.

There isn’t much to be done about this.
Derb is correct. Contra the decades of denial and equalitarian propaganda pushed by the blank-slate Left, the core problem is not one of poverty, racism, government destruction of the family, or any of the other excuses offered for uncivilized African behavior. The problem is simply that Africans are not yet, on average, entirely civilized.

This is not their fault nor should it surprise anyone with even a modicum of historical knowledge, as they simply haven't had enough time to work through the thousand-year process of systematically having their uncivilized members removed from the breeding pool as the formerly-uncivilized Germans and and French and English and Scandinavians did. No people can accomplish in 400 years what took everyone else 700 to one thousand, especially when their incentives have been dyscivic for much of that time.

Before you start shrieking "racist" at me, note that the same thing is more or less true for the American Indian, although the Indians were at a higher level of pre-civilization, the Indian genetic makeup and behavioral proclivities are different, most of the Indian population was genocided, and many of those that remain are safely segregated on reservations, so the Indian lack of full civilization is less apparent to most white observers.

To understand how Indian sub-civilization tends to manifest, look south of the border.

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Anonymous Icicle July 10, 2016 5:37 AM  

as they simply haven't had enough time to work through the thousand-year process of systematically having their uncivilized members removed from the breeding pool as the formerly-uncivilized Germans and and French and English and Scandinavians did.

Which factors winnow things the fastest?
Is there some way to speed this process up?

Blogger VD July 10, 2016 5:48 AM  

Which factors winnow things the fastest?

Losing wars and having your women bred by the civilized conquerors. I suspect this is why the less attractive races tend to be less civilized.

Is there some way to speed this process up?

Yes, but you're not going to like it as it is a particularly nasty form of eugenics.

Blogger weka July 10, 2016 5:53 AM  

@1, Let me see.

The English Converted to Christianity, unified seven kingdoms, had their first golden age, and had been conquered by... 1100. By 1400 they had parliament and the beginning of common law. By 1700 there had been a religious war and the king no longer could rule without the consent of parliament.

By then there had been rebellions by the common people, by Dukes, the Scots (William Wallace and the second civil war) and the second golden age of Dryden, Marlowe and Shakespeare.

And the feral edge of the English is still there. it comes out now in accepted channels: after football, in the army, and in commercial negotiations.

VD underestimates the task.

OpenID dudequest July 10, 2016 5:54 AM  

So what exactly do you call a guy that claims to be 'black' to gain the social and political leverage of that claim, because he has a tiny percentage of African Blood, even though to all appearances and behaviors he is clearly white?

OpenID dudequest July 10, 2016 5:59 AM  

I would say that after 75 years or so of attempted 'integration' into white culture, the stark and violent divide between black and white American culture is stronger, and more deadly, than ever.
Perhaps it's time to start looking at more proactive solutions.

Blogger weka July 10, 2016 6:04 AM  

The US Black community has been gutted by Affirmative Action and social welfare. When the families had to work, even under frankly discriminatory laws, the family and extended family and church acted as buffers.

The parallels with Amerindians in Canada or the Maori in NZ are there. And the same dysgenic rewards have led to chav and wigger culture.

It would be better to have no welfare, and the nunnery. Those who cannot provide for themselves can have shelter, and not produce the next generation: those who will be adults will make a life and build a community.

But, please keep the social workers and the bureaus of the state away. They ruin everything.

Blogger VD July 10, 2016 6:22 AM  

So what exactly do you call a guy that claims to be 'black' to gain the social and political leverage of that claim, because he has a tiny percentage of African Blood, even though to all appearances and behaviors he is clearly white?

Black. Considering that the "one-drop" rule was enforced to the detriment of the very slightly black in the past, there is no reason it should not benefit such individuals in the present.

In the event this is an indirect attempt to question my Indian heritage, I do not have a "tiny percentage" of Indian blood. The "one-drop" rule would not apply to me in that regard.

Blogger VD July 10, 2016 6:23 AM  

The US Black community has been gutted by Affirmative Action and social welfare. When the families had to work, even under frankly discriminatory laws, the family and extended family and church acted as buffers.

This is true, but it completely misses the point. While the buffers were important, and beneficial, the point is that they were NEEDED in order to enforce civilized behaviors. Those behaviors were alien and imposed, they were never endogenous.

Blogger SteelPalm July 10, 2016 6:27 AM  

At the present time, with segregation/repatriation being politically unfeasible, what do you recommend that cops do to police black crime?

Simply refuse to answer a black-on-black incident? Only have the black cops respond? Or something else?

Blogger VD July 10, 2016 6:34 AM  

Do what the European cops do. Create unofficial no-go zones and leave them to their own devices.

Blogger Bob Loblaw July 10, 2016 6:50 AM  

I would say that after 75 years or so of attempted 'integration' into white culture, the stark and violent divide between black and white American culture is stronger, and more deadly, than ever.

Integration was never really attempted. What they've done is attempt to integrate blacks into the work force and housing while at the same time deliberately encouraging black men to talk and act like low-life thugs in the name of "multiculturalism". Irrespective of other factors, that could never have worked.

Blogger Bob Loblaw July 10, 2016 6:51 AM  

Do what the European cops do. Create unofficial no-go zones and leave them to their own devices.

Heinlein's crazy years. Can't say I'm looking forward to that.

Blogger residentMoron July 10, 2016 6:53 AM  

Vox

Those European no-go zones are now refuges and protective coloration for jihadis. At some point the wasps nest analogy comes to the forefront of public thinking and they get burned out.

Do you see your suggestion as a long term option or merely a holding pattern?

Blogger VD July 10, 2016 6:59 AM  

Do you see your suggestion as a long term option or merely a holding pattern?

That is not my suggestion, it is my answer to a question. It is a holding pattern.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 10, 2016 7:03 AM  

@11 Bob Loblaw...

The No True Integration fallacy... until the government forces each white person to have a black family living in their bedroom, then we really haven't tried integration.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 10, 2016 7:03 AM  

weka wrote:And the feral edge of the English is still there. it comes out now in accepted channels: after football, in the army, and in commercial negotiations.

That's the fundamental difference: it's not that civilized people don't have a feral side, it's that they can be channeled.

Blogger John rockwell July 10, 2016 7:18 AM  

The long road to civilized whitehood started with the war on murder:
http://evoandproud.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/making-europeans-kinder-gentler.html

This increase those with low propensity to violence and decreases high-propensities to violence.

Overtime this pacifies the gene-pool and makes sure that whatever capacity to violence is rarely employed and only under specific conditions.

OpenID simplytimothy July 10, 2016 7:19 AM  

In a society where blacks are living among non-blacks, it’s natural and reasonable for blacks to be regarded by the rest of us as dangerous.

I remember when the inbred at NRO changed their hotel/motel because of this fact. Derb posted a pic of the area. The lily-white NRO clan--who haven't the courage of Derb's left nut--acted reasonably and entirely in keeping with the essay that got Derb fired.

It is that act of intellectual cowardice that garnered them my contempt.


In that article, Derb also posited trying equality. He noted that it was slavery, segregation and now "affirmative action" preferences. He suggests trying merit/equality. I don't know. I am done even considering multiculturalism as a net good. I think reconquest of our land should drive our decision making.








Anonymous fred July 10, 2016 7:19 AM  

You know, the very first conversation I ever had with an adult black man was when I was 11 years old, and this 30-something-ish black dude was in the process of stealing my bicycle. A full-grown man stealing a bicycle from a little kid. Huh.

My first really serious artistic triumph (and I've had a lot of 'em) was in deep collaboration with a black dude who was really sort of a genius. So there's that too. Huh.

Statistics are a bitch, though. Huh.

Blogger Elocutioner July 10, 2016 7:34 AM  

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Blogger clk July 10, 2016 7:35 AM  

I too am beleiver in the time to civilization thoery but theres one directly observable fact that runs contrary... there have been/are civilizations of non western whites (african, pacific, northern and southern american indian etc ) that never "civilized" except perheps developing more efficient ways of human sacrifice...

There has to be other elements at play .. could be moderating effect of western religion, or some genetic factors towards non violence without cause ..or something because where i am standing i doent see great african or native civilations that should be here if all it took was time...

Blogger Elocutioner July 10, 2016 7:37 AM  

I'm sure Derb will be shocked SHOCKED! to learn that Philandro Castille didn't have a permit, was pulled over for matching the profile of the suspect in an armed robbery committed a few days prior a few blocks away, was told to not move, and had a pistol in his lap when he decided to go for it (according to the dispatch tapes and the cop who shot him).

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/09/attorney-minnesota-hispanic-officer-jeronimo-yanez-was-reacting-to-philando-castiles-gun-not-race/

After arguing with the ferals during the Saint Skittles case I realized that many/most blacks consider tribal revenge as the only form of justice, and that whitey's laws are oppression. They will literally dismiss hard evidence such as photos, audio, and logic to cling to their narrative. There is literally NOTHING you can say that will convince them. They are functionally literate, but that's the best you're ever going to get from them. As such, never trust nor argue with a ghetto rat. Especially one that just won the ghetto lottery and livestreams the 'tragedy' while standing on the still-not-even-dead body of her boyfriend.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/09/philando-castile-crew-raise-more-than-quarter-million-so-far-and-recent-developments/

This is a pattern. As Vox rightly notes, there's a subset which simply has not been civilizable to Western standards.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/philando-castile-child-abuse-video-surfaces-castile-girlfriend-smoking-pot-driving-child-car/

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Blogger J A Baker July 10, 2016 7:45 AM  

Vox, you may have heard off him, but there is a journalist, and his name is Colin Flaherty; he wrote a book called "White Girl Bleed Alot" which addresses the media's bias on this very issue, and he also has a facebook page devoted to upsetting their narrative. Check him out. He may be a candidate for future Castalia House non fiction.

Blogger JACIII July 10, 2016 7:53 AM  

It's some of those pesky time preferences again. The one's more prone to survive the winnowing toward civilization are those who can insert a period of cold calculation between the glandular urge to chimp out and actually doing damage.

It's a small thing, but the capacity to consider, "If I kill this asshole because he said X my children will starve because I am hanged" is the difference between shitting where you eat and having air conditioning. (Apologies to our European brethren who are a bit behind on climate control)

Blogger clk July 10, 2016 7:56 AM  

The rest of the Derb article is even better...i hope Trump is reading.

Blogger VD July 10, 2016 8:00 AM  

I too am beleiver in the time to civilization thoery but theres one directly observable fact that runs contrary.

It is not contrary. You're forgetting from what the time begins is counted. If a people never have extended contact with a civilization, the counter doesn't start.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 10, 2016 8:04 AM  

clk wrote:There has to be other elements at play ..

The Ice Ages. The men in more northern climes had to have their shit wired in tight to survive those times.

Blogger Paul Lutgen July 10, 2016 8:20 AM  

Aren't no go zones areas involuntary? That is a section of a city where it has gotten so bad that it is far too dangerous for police and other civilians to enter. You are saying the police are deliberately creating these areas in Europe?

Blogger residentMoron July 10, 2016 8:47 AM  

Not so much creating as recognising that they exist. Not the police, but the police's bosses, have allowed the creation to occur.

Blogger clk July 10, 2016 8:56 AM  

Well i guess you can drag a horse, even a dead one, to water....but there are sure to be challenges in the drinking ....

Blogger Human Animal July 10, 2016 8:57 AM  

I'm trying to remember a guest on TheDailyShoah podcast. He was a economics-philosophy guy who phrased it as a Eugenics of compound interest:

White people have been hanging one percent of their criminals every year for a thousand years.

Or used to.

Anonymous johnc July 10, 2016 9:07 AM  

Is there really a genetic component to morality and if so to which extent should some people be exempt from the moral law?

When in the 20th century Western Europeans and Eastern Caucasians decided to lay themselves in ruins and perform some of the greatest barbarism in human history, were they just temporarily acting uncivilized or was it spurred on from something in their blood?

Blogger Keef July 10, 2016 9:10 AM  

And keep in mind in not saying you aren't qualified...you might be but you have not demonstrated that at all whatsoever within this blog post.

For instance, what's your policy agenda? What are the problems you anticipate? What have you done in the past that demonstrates your ability to be effective in this elected role?

Blogger Robert Divinity July 10, 2016 9:40 AM  

"There isn’t much to be done about this."

This is why I am pro-abortion and think we don't have enough of them. Abortion removes largely those with low IQs and high crime potential from society. In fact, we need to expand abortion opportunities throughout the inner cities.

Along these same lines, and in keeping with the "no go zone" observation, police need to back off and allow gangbangers to kill one another with impunity. While places such as Chicago are mourned as tragedies, the media narrative of small children killed in the crossfire generally is false. Most of those slain have long rap sheets, nothing to offer society, and degenerate DNA profiles. The elimination of these animals through internecine warfare is something to celebrate.

The numerical results from the culling mentioned above are hard to calculate, unfortunately. The Census Bureau shows a rather extraordinary consistency of around 12 percent for the black population despite the immigration flood. The obvious reason is to make blacks think they are not being reduced and possibly eliminated. I don't have the immediate link, but some demographers think the percentage of black Americans has dropped from 12 percent to single digits over the last decade or so. How much of that is due to abortion and self-elimination rather than changed demographics also is hard to determine.

Blogger stevo July 10, 2016 9:40 AM  

Wow, convents and monasteries would be very useful in today's world.

Blogger stevo July 10, 2016 9:45 AM  

Jihadis have a coherent social order, ugly as it may be. Blacks without policing from without would be pretty unstable i think

Blogger Gordon July 10, 2016 9:49 AM  

"... the Indian lack of full civilization is less apparent to most white observers."

Hang on here, my brother. Those of us who have spent a lot of time on tribal land know, of course. But I think this is a subtopic worthy of its own post. Why is it that every tribal facility (except those run by whites, like casinos) looks as bad as the worst buildings in the the ghetto? I do know the answer.

It is a different flavor of "less than full civilization" from what one finds in the vibrant neighborhoods. Minneapolis is interesting because one can observe both.

Blogger Gordon July 10, 2016 9:54 AM  

@33 johnc: "When in the 20th century Western Europeans and Eastern Caucasians decided to lay themselves in ruins and perform some of the greatest barbarism in human history, were they just temporarily acting uncivilized or was it spurred on from something in their blood?"

I'd say it's in the blood, however veneered over by civilization. That, plus the emergence of industrial engineering and production, produced a synergy that made the world wars so horrific.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 10, 2016 9:54 AM  

Derbyshire always elicits a chuckle. Someone should show Trump this Derb take on Gingrich:

"I must have spent an aggregate couple of dozen hours across the decades listening to Newt opining on something or other on some TV show or other. I have no recollection of him saying anything that made sense."

Yep.

Derb's suggestions deeper into the column are worthy of a read.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 10, 2016 10:07 AM  

Any comments section reads like AmRen or here when the glorious people of color do what they do best.

Biggest fail amongst media is FOX, they were supposed to coral this into nice white lady politics and clearly except amongst the religious zealots and Cruz voters they are a failing bunch

Anonymous James Bold July 10, 2016 10:19 AM  

Elocutioner wrote:After arguing with the ferals during the Saint Skittles case I realized that many/most blacks consider tribal revenge as the only form of justice, and that whitey's laws are oppression. They will literally dismiss hard evidence such as photos, audio, and logic to cling to their narrative. There is literally NOTHING you can say that will convince them.
I've been, er, trolling the Field Negro blog for a while, and this behavior is hardly limited to the ferals.  Even the so-called professionals, given a choice between hard evidence and tribal loyalty, pick the tribe and its narrative.  They are a hopeless, failed race and the sooner they're removed from America the better.

Human Animal wrote:White people have been hanging one percent of their criminals every year for a thousand years.
We could remove tens of percent of Blacks from the gene pool per generation without violence, if we had the will.  The right incentives could take the criminal and the stupid out of the ranks of breeders.  The problem is that policy had effectively done the precise opposite for 3-4 generations.

stevo wrote:convents and monasteries would be very useful in today's world.
A convent full of hood rats would always have a busy nursery.

Blogger Lovekraft July 10, 2016 10:40 AM  

I wonder if there's a point where a tribe becomes too civilized. The opposite end of the spectrum, where too much wealth, technology and power renders them amoral, corrupt etc.

If that's the case, the middle would be wise to learn what balance truly means: strong enough to fend off the barbarians inside and outside the gates and wise enough to recognize when their systems are giving them false, temporal comfort.

Anonymous Cadwallander J July 10, 2016 10:44 AM  

The time to civilization concept has the same limitation as evolutionist has explaining the origins of life.

Which peoples emerged from barbarism to a civilized state de novo and why? The Israelites were dragged to that state by God and had Egyptian culture as an influence. The Greeks and Chinese also independently developed cultures without prior exposure. How did the Egyptians construct a civilized culture without first being exposed to one?

Do you think the state of the black culture reversed itself after the Civil Rights movement? Were they, as a group, on the road to functioning in American society? They clearly seem to be reverting to their genetic mean at this point in time. Where's the evidence that blacks, on average, have made any progress? Not South Africa. Not Detroit. Not Birmingham. Where do we see that they're halfway through?

Blogger The Other Robot July 10, 2016 10:44 AM  

I'd say it's in the blood, however veneered over by civilization. That, plus the emergence of industrial engineering and production, produced a synergy that made the world wars so horrific.

I would suggest outside (((influences))) and profit taking.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook July 10, 2016 10:55 AM  

Have you seen the documentary, Empire of Dust? It features a Chinese businessman and his woes amidst the ruins of the Belgian colony in the Congo.

OpenID thetroll July 10, 2016 10:56 AM  

> The Ice Ages. The men in more northern climes had to have their shit wired in tight

If that was actually the case, the Inuit would rule the world. Oh, wait. So something wrong with that proposition, then.

The actual strong correlation appears to be with seasonal agriculture. If to survive every year you need to

a) Figure out when it's time to plant
b) Put in the work to grow and harvest the crop
c) Store enough to feed you through the non-growing seasons and plant next year's crop

then after a few hundred years, you're going to be left with only the people who are intelligent, hard-working, and self-restrained. Because the rest starved.

This hypothesis appears to match the real world patterns, largely but not solely correlated with ethnicity, better than anything else I've seen.

Blogger VD July 10, 2016 11:06 AM  

The time to civilization concept has the same limitation as evolutionist has explaining the origins of life.

No, it does not. It does not explain why civilization exists. It merely explains one reason WHY civilization does not where it observably does not.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner July 10, 2016 11:08 AM  

I just had someone list their entire nursing resume as proof that I was wrong about illegal aliens using ambulances as free taxis. Thanks to the internet I was able to link to stories about it & tell him to go to the nearest hospital that an employee was raped in the parking facilities(who pay travel murses more) to find out more about it. Actually found a story of a woman arrested for doing it over 100 times, she said she had no choice because she didn't own a car.

Blogger pyrrhus July 10, 2016 11:17 AM  

Genes--MAOA-2R is 50 times as prevalent in blacks as whites or north asians....The result of many thousands of years of natural selection in an environment that favors violence....

Anonymous LastRedoubt July 10, 2016 11:22 AM  

@VD

Do what the European cops do. Create unofficial no-go zones and leave them to their own devices.


Out of curiosity, how do they handle predators who leave those no-go zones and want to play their violent games elsewhere?

From what we've seen of rape statistics in Sweden, etc, plus the recent issues in Germany, the answer seems to be "not much"

Blogger John Wright July 10, 2016 11:28 AM  

I notice Derb ends his column with the following conclusion:

My suggestion: Let’s flip the state ideology right round, into a configuration we have never tried before. Let’s dump the idea that there’s some way to get all races showing identical outcomes—and then also dump the idea that laws and rules have to be twisted to favor one race over another.

Let’s make our legislators and jurists and administrators treat all citizens equally. Bring back competitive written examinations for Civil Service jobs. Let’s have meritocratic promotions in our agencies and corporations. Forbid public colleges accepting students by any other than academic criteria.

Let’s start treating people equally—a thing we have never done before.

And let’s accept unequal group outcomes as a natural feature of the world, which they surely are."

Anonymous LastRedoubt July 10, 2016 11:29 AM  

@Human Animal

White people have been hanging one percent of their criminals every year for a thousand years.


Given the tendency of women to offer themselves to thugs and proven, convicted criminals, we should return to capital punishment for murder, etc..

Anonymous Cadwallander J July 10, 2016 11:30 AM  

It merely explains one reason WHY civilization does not where it observably does not.

I stand corrected.

The Scandanavians you refer to above are an interesting case. It took only a few centuries for them to progress from pillagers to land-holding Nobles in France and England.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 10, 2016 11:30 AM  

VD wrote:

Is there some way to speed this process up?

Yes, but you're not going to like it as it is a particularly nasty form of eugenics.


Lynching is a practical, proven way to speed the process along. It not only removes the uncontrollably violent, but cautions the rest and encourages self control. Until fairly recently it was applied to both the black and white races in this country.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 10, 2016 11:37 AM  

51: Out of curiosity, how do they handle predators who leave those no-go zones and want to play their violent games elsewhere?

The one area where police can be helpful and effective is cultural and racial boundary enforcement. It happens now in the neighborhoods of hypocritical upper middle class virtue-signalers with little or no comment.

Blogger John Wright July 10, 2016 11:38 AM  

I notice Derb ends his column with the following conclusion:

My suggestion: Let’s flip the state ideology right round, into a configuration we have never tried before. Let’s dump the idea that there’s some way to get all races showing identical outcomes—and then also dump the idea that laws and rules have to be twisted to favor one race over another.

Let’s make our legislators and jurists and administrators treat all citizens equally. Bring back competitive written examinations for Civil Service jobs. Let’s have meritocratic promotions in our agencies and corporations. Forbid public colleges accepting students by any other than academic criteria.

Let’s start treating people equally—a thing we have never done before.

And let’s accept unequal group outcomes as a natural feature of the world, which they surely are."

Anonymous BGKB July 10, 2016 11:40 AM  

20 years ago it would have taken weeks for Steve Sailor to disprove the illegal alien valedictorian story of last year, & he wouldn't be able to tell anyone about it outside shouting distance because of gatekeepers.

(african, pacific, northern and southern american indian etc ) that never "civilized" except perheps developing more efficient ways of human sacrifice

Ancient cities in south America are the result of the k selection while the natives traveled the land bridge then back down into an R environment. There are no ancient cities in sub sahara Africa.

Which factors winnow things the fastest?

The laziest & stupidest die because they didn't store enough food/fuel to make it through winter, or build a good enough shelter. Build/plan/store is K style evolution, outrun slow people when hyenas are around is R style, we shouldn't be surprised that Olympic short distance run events are dominated by a different people than Math Fields Awards.

civilians to enter. You are saying the police are deliberately creating these areas in Europe?

In Ferguson ambulances wouldn't enter the no go zone for any reason without a police escort. Every case of attack on EMTs nation wide that I know of was by non Asian minorities. "I am going to beat up this paramedic because it took to long for him to show up, that will get my mom to the hospital faster"

the media narrative of small children killed in the crossfire generally is false. Most of those slain have long rap sheets

When kids do get killed its because they are supporters/fans of the gang members, much like moderate moslems watching real moslems behead people, as seen in the meme "there are only 5 radical moslems in this picture"

A convent full of hood rats would always have a busy nursery.

You could do like Israel and tell them Depo shots are vitamins

Lynching...Until fairly recently it was applied to both the black and white races in this country

~1/3 of those lynched just so happened to be white with several states only having whites lynched. Far less "disparate" than todays death row. The ADL was formed after a jew was lynched for raping a 13yo white girl to death.

Blogger praetorian July 10, 2016 11:43 AM  

because he has a tiny percentage of African Blood, even though to all appearances and behaviors he is clearly white?

We have genetic tools far more accurate than the white equivalent of oooga-booga "one drop of blood" thinking in the past. If I were black, I would be looking into that. Given the dis-civic trend of whites, we should probably be looking at it as well. The Chinese are.

This is why I am pro-abortion and think we don't have enough of them.

Please remove your genes from the gene pool permanently.

Wow, convents and monasteries would be very useful in today's world.

I've heard it argued, and it seems somewhat plausible, that the catholic tradition of convents and monasteries is one reason catholic nations have tended to lag protestant nations economically: you are removing the best genes from the gene pool. Jews had the opposite setup.

Hmm.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 10, 2016 11:46 AM  

"Please remove your genes from the gene pool permanently."

I owed it to humanity not to do so. The eugenicists were right about quite a bit.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 10, 2016 11:51 AM  

"When kids do get killed its because they are supporters/fans of the gang members, much like moderate moslems watching real moslems behead people, as seen in the meme "there are only 5 radical moslems in this picture""

Not to play semantics, but my reference was to the "toddler shot in the cradle"-type stories. Somewhere above the age of seven or so the complicity comes into play as you mentioned.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 10, 2016 11:52 AM  

Cadwallander J wrote:
Do you think the state of the black culture reversed itself after the Civil Rights movement? Were they, as a group, on the road to functioning in American society? They clearly seem to be reverting to their genetic mean at this point in time.


Yes, I do think they were a little farther down the road to civilization in 1916 than in 2016. Jim Crow and Judge Lynch, intact families and an absolute absense of handouts forced them to act civilized in 1916. It was an act, it wasn't an entirely successful act, it was forced on them from without and was gone as soon as those outside forces were removed, but 100 years ago they mostly acted civilized, sort of, when it was necessary.

Today, we see what happens when these groups are not forced to ``act white:'' they don't. Reverting to their genetic mean, in your terms.

In 1916, a poor black American boy could look forward to a job, a marriage, a life spent supporting a family. He would look forward to being looked down on and treated with suspicion among whites.

In 2016, every good thing in that first sentence is gone, and evry bad thing in the second sentence remains. I'd say that American blacks have lost ground.

Blogger roundeye July 10, 2016 11:54 AM  

They also had massive use of the death penalty which took the violent out of the pool. Plus the most troublesome population in England, the Border Reavers, was expelled to Northern Ireland and the US (think West Virginia , Tennessee and Kentucky.

Blogger Ponce Du Lion July 10, 2016 11:54 AM  

This isn't about a blank slate to be modeled over centuries by a civilizational process.
For most humans this task didn't take 700 or even 2000 years. Behaviors is genetic and evolutive. This is at least an effort of 100.000 years. In which precisely, humans that were more alike Africans dead and the ones more likes us survived. It isn't really like we can change African genetic educating people over centuries.

Blogger clk July 10, 2016 12:05 PM  

"I've heard it argued, and it seems somewhat plausible, that the catholic tradition of convents and monasteries is one reason catholic nations have tended to lag protestant nations economically"

No ..its more likely due to traditional catholic positions of charity, justice, fear of capitalism.... and because they have more kids ... all you lutherians with your 1 kid and perfect lawns while the catholics are populating the earth with children...

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis July 10, 2016 12:05 PM  

Couple of points:
1. Three strikes and you are out - laws in the USA passed in the 80's where three felonies get you imprisoned for life with no parole. Look at violent crime statistics starting in the 90's and see how they have dropped.
2. Christianity - the most Christian countries have been the best behaved. And by Christian I mean REAL Christianity not the watered down cap we see today in the mainline denominations.

Blogger Shimshon July 10, 2016 12:11 PM  

Vox, can you clarify what you mean by civilization? Do you mean specifically Western Civilization? I've read a small amount, and my understanding is that "civilization" in some form arose in several distinct areas.

Some of the pathological problems in Indian (feather not dot) civilization that you mention seem to be the result of Westerners imposing their own views and morals on the locals. Mexico might not be the US, for example, and would never be capable of sending men to the moon, but they have a reasonably functional society, and much of the violence and savagery would, I think, be moderated, were it not for idiocy like the US-imposed Drug War. Am I missing something?

Blogger Ponce Du Lion July 10, 2016 12:12 PM  

White people resemble jews in one thing idealism, which is genetic.
You can't say that kill people painless is worse than the average psycho kill. Just look at the murders committed by Negroes elsewhere. Extremely violent and cruelt. Hammers, boiling water. You can say that crackers killing a lot of people feels worse but you can't really say that breast mutilation is better than poison people with a compound that blocks ATP production in the mitochondria.
And there is a difference between in-group violence and out-group. Whites appear to be low in one and extremely high in other. And yes is our blood.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 10, 2016 12:14 PM  

"No-go zones" are an inevitable aspect of the present; we hear endlessly about minorities being hassled for the crime of DWB, but nothing about the "punishment" for SWW (strolling while white) in a black neighborhood.
Recall the two Brit tourists in the deep south murdered for wandering into Darkest Africa-America, or the mentally unstable woman carelessly dropped by Chicago's Finest into a black ghetto who jumped from a high window to escape the black who dragged her in and raped her.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-27/news/ct-met-chicago-police-neglect-appeal-20120427_1_christina-eilman-police-station-appeals

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Blogger dc.sunsets July 10, 2016 12:23 PM  

I've an idea!
When an illegal alien, or a person with dual citizenship commits a violent crime, goes to prison and completes their sentence, DEPORT THEM and place a permanent bounty on their heads if they show up again in the USA.

I'd do the same to any savage. Create a penal colony (an island preferably) where people are simply dropped off.

The only major caveat? Require actual Mens Rea like criminal proceedings used to. No citizens getting deported for some stupid, technical violation of some obscure statute.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 10, 2016 12:29 PM  

Mexico might not be the US, for example, and would never be capable of sending men to the moon, but they have a reasonably functional society, and much of the violence and savagery would, I think, be moderated, were it not for idiocy like the US-imposed Drug War. Am I missing something?

Yes. Mexico was a failed state long before the ridiculous "War on Drugs." It has deported its poorest and indigenous populations to maintain an oligarchy. I always get a chuckle when Americans visit Mexico and return to express surprise at the number of "white" people there.

Blogger Ponce Du Lion July 10, 2016 12:34 PM  

So the reason why aliens haven't come to visit us is because we haven't visited them first? What a solution for the Fermi paradox!! And who visited us first? Has also God created civilization as he did with life? Lol
Civilization has arisen independently in India, China, Europe, Egipt ,Middle East and South America.
There is only a pattern, profitability of agriculture and subsequent arise of newtroks from that. State, bureaucracy, commerce, work specialization, and so on writing and maths. But in order for that happening the founding hunters have to be able of certain collaboration, planning, and abstraction in general. Wonder why don't happen in Africa where winter isn't a problem.

Blogger roundeye July 10, 2016 12:37 PM  

They also had massive use of the death penalty which took the violent out of the pool. Plus the most troublesome population in England, the Border Reavers, was expelled to Northern Ireland and the US (think West Virginia , Tennessee and Kentucky.

Anonymous BGKB July 10, 2016 12:40 PM  

Not to play semantics, but my reference was to the "toddler shot in the cradle"-type stories.

I see your 3 stories nationwide for all time and raise you 260 Chicago school age kids dead from 2009-2011. Presented here thru problematic glasses.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/02/rahm-emanuel-parents-mour_n_1071247.html

No citizens getting deported for some stupid, technical violation of some obscure statute.

Obscure to us or to them, such as age of consent>12?

Blogger rcocean July 10, 2016 12:41 PM  

IOW, our laws should be based on reality rather then our wishes.

Anonymous meh July 10, 2016 12:46 PM  

@32 "I'm trying to remember a guest on TheDailyShoah podcast. He was a economics-philosophy guy who phrased it as a Eugenics of compound interest:

White people have been hanging one percent of their criminals every year for a thousand years.

Or used to."


Most likely you are referring to Curt Doolittle. Check him out on Facebook.

Blogger Human Animal July 10, 2016 1:00 PM  

Lovekraft - I wonder if there's a point where a tribe becomes too civilized.

When children are raised as pets.
When citizens are kept as livestock.

LastRedoubt - Given the tendency of women to offer themselves to thugs and proven, convicted criminals, we should return to capital punishment for murder, etc..

That's too expensive. Mutilating women who do so or speak positively about the behavior is more cost efficient. Think of the French women getting their heads shaved and run out of town for consorting with the Nazi occupiers.

Ponce Du Lion - White people resemble jews in one thing idealism, which is genetic.
Maybe he means Abstraction, not Idealism?

meh - Most likely you are referring to Curt Doolittle. Check him out on Facebook.

Curt Doolittle is the one. Thank you.

Blogger Ponce Du Lion July 10, 2016 1:03 PM  

Idealism is the social consequence of abstraction. But basically, yes

Anonymous LastRedoubt July 10, 2016 1:20 PM  

@dc.sunsets

"No-go zones" are an inevitable aspect of the present; we hear endlessly about minorities being hassled for the crime of DWB, but nothing about the "punishment" for SWW (strolling while white) in a black neighborhood.

Outside of a few people like the aforementioned Colin Flaherty, and he gets little mainstream exposure either, you're right, we're not told about it.

Blogger The Other Robot July 10, 2016 1:22 PM  

Statistics don't lie!

Blogger U PC BRO? July 10, 2016 1:39 PM  

"In 1916, a poor black American boy could look forward to a job, a marriage, a life spent supporting a family. He would look forward to being looked down on and treated with suspicion among whites.

In 2016, every good thing in that first sentence is gone, and evry bad thing in the second sentence remains. I'd say that American blacks have lost ground."

Except now he's free to fuck fat white women without concern for consequences. So there's that.

Anonymous meh July 10, 2016 1:43 PM  

@21 "I too am beleiver in the time to civilization thoery but theres one directly observable fact that runs contrary... there have been/are civilizations of non western whites (african, pacific, northern and southern american indian etc ) that never "civilized" except perheps developing more efficient ways of human sacrifice..."

I think there are at least two models of how civilization can develop in its patterns of artificially selecting for the best features in its population: the class model, where everyone moves up and down the social hierarchy and there's no hard barrier to social mobility, and where, as a result, the civilizational eugenics project is a "rising tide that lifts all boats"; and on the other hand, the caste model, where there are hard barriers to social mobility (and barriers to interbreeding between castes), the result of which is that the higher castes may become more civilized over time, but the bulk of the population does not do so, or does so at much lower rates. Think India where you have people from high castes (or ethnic/religious minority groups like the Parsee) who have high IQ, low time preference, low inclination to violence, etc., while the bulk of the population is not similarly blessed.

This might explain how easily and suddenly the American Indian civilizations were destroyed. If their entire civilization (knowledge of their arts, sciences, philosophy, and other cultural achievements) was in fact the preserve of a tiny high caste group that was wiped out in a single generation by war, European introduced diseases, and cultural collapse that caused the high caste members to either not breed, or to breed/intermarry into low caste groups or into the invading European population, thus disappearing as a caste and leaving no one to pass their culture on to, the mass bulk of the population being, then as now, not capable of passing on any kind of higher level civilization, not even their own.

China, and the other east Asian countries, are, like Europe, of the class model, not the caste model. Their entire population is being molded by civilizational eugenic pressures, not just a ruling caste or castes. This is one reason why east Asians were able to catch up quickly to the West: their civilizational model is closer to the West than others in some important ways.

In contrast the Islamic middle east is closer to the caste model, albeit the breeding group as such is not a caste but rather tribes, religious sects, etc., and there isn't even a "higher caste" as such but just whichever gang happens to have seized power for the moment. Inbreeding compounds the problem, combined with polygamy and tribalism it just makes the middle east the worst in terms of maintaining "time to civilization"; in fact they do appear to be going backwards. "Time to civilization" isn't a one way street; you can regress back in the other directions if you change the incentives. I'd argue that the "Islamic Golden Age" was real, but misnamed, as it was simply the collecting together and transmitting the science and other achievements of the Greeks, Chaldeans, Assyrians, Persians, central Asians (Bactrians, etc), Indians, etc. into an Arabic/Islamic context. But everything since then has been the steady process of Islamic civilizational dysfunction reversing the "time to civilization" process until we arrive at where we are today.

Blogger Elder Son July 10, 2016 1:49 PM  

@22

Ramsey Sheriff (MN)
@RamseySheriff

@cameron_dehart Mr. Castile never applied for a permit to carry with our office. Therefore we did not issue his permit.


We did not issue his permit.

You might want to re-read that, and read it again. Unless elsewhere it is specifically said, by a governing authority, that Castile DID NOT have a permit, he had a permit.

Note, I'm just focusing on the Castile event without interjecting any thought whatsoever of BLM and Blacks (as in the case of this post) as a whole, to allow it to wash my mind on this. The Last Refuge has not made any definitive proof that Castile was "reaching for a gun". Nor has it proved the cops version of events.

Just briefly, and for an example:

“The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ‘cause of the wide set nose.”

Okay, the wide-set nose. Alright, fair enough. He got pulled over because the cop thinks he looks like the BOLO.

Does this mean the cop didn’t use the “broken tail-light” as an excuse to the occupants as to why he pulled them over? Nope. It sure doesn’t. By the way, a “broken tail-light” can be just a cracked lens.

Cops do, give people lame excuses to people as to why they pulled them over just to cover the REAL reason why they pull them over. (Been there).

“I’m going to stop a car. I’m going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it over.”

Okay. Are we to doubt that the cop asked for I.D.’s? The gal says he asked for I.D. The cop says he was going to ask for I.D.

So, the cop asks for I.D. Is it entirely out of the realm that the man reached for his I.D., the shirt lifted, and the cop, oh I don’t know, maybe freaked, while the man was reaching for his I.D., the cop saw the gun peek out from under the mans shirt, panicked, Don’t reach – put your hands where I can see them, while BAM-BAM-BAM-BAM?! Because gosh golly that has never happened before.

https://youtu.be/zVnKxdMzEXM

Then there is the curious case of doing a BOLO stop on what the cop described as a suspect in a armed robbery. These kind of stops are done by a felony stop.

The Last Refuge also wants you to look at that black peek-a-boo object in the still photo from the video and IMAGINE that, dern it, it looks EXACTLY like the gun used in the robbery!

There is more to pick apart The Last Refuge, but I'll leave it at this.

What The Last Refuge is doing, is playing on your emotions and grasping at straws. The fact is, we are not going to have definitive proof of the cops version unless a dashcam/bodycam is produced.

Until then, I am holding my judgement on this one incident, without my mind being washed with these BLM and Dallas incidents.

And by the way, smoking pot with a child in your car is stupid, but it doesn't prove anything else.

Blogger bob k. mando July 10, 2016 1:55 PM  

22. Elocutioner July 10, 2016 7:37 AM
There is literally NOTHING you can say that will convince them.



this is the fatal flaw in your analysis. you're taking them at their word, which is a serious error as any viewing of COPS will inform you.

they *KNOW* that these thugs are in the wrong. just as they all knew that "OJ did it".

what's happening here is that almost all of them are simply lying to your face. they are trying to intimidate you into going along with their story and abandoning the clearly and plainly obvious facts.

why do they do this? because they've learned that it works.

as you've just demonstrated.

Anonymous meh July 10, 2016 1:57 PM  

@44 "The time to civilization concept has the same limitation as evolutionist has explaining the origins of life."

"Evolutionists" do not attempt to explain the origins of life. That's abiogenesis, which is a different field entirely.

We don't need to know the origins of civilization to understand what kinds of selective pressures results in more a more civilized population.

It's like saying that you have to know how to build a car in order to know how to drive one. Complete non sequitur.

Blogger praetorian July 10, 2016 2:02 PM  

I'm Catholic.

Blogger The Other Robot July 10, 2016 2:11 PM  

You might want to re-read that, and read it again. Unless elsewhere it is specifically said, by a governing authority, that Castile DID NOT have a permit, he had a permit.

You seem to have failed logic in college.

Until we have verification, in the form of a scan of his permit, many people could be lying.

Even a scan of his permit, and since he is now deceased surely privacy is no longer an issue, would still not be 100% proof.

Further, it could be that he had a permit, but like other things in his life, he let it lapse.

Anonymous Anonymous July 10, 2016 2:12 PM  

Why assume they are even on the same evolutionary path as were our ancestors?

Anonymous BGKB July 10, 2016 2:17 PM  

Except now he's free to fuck fat white women without concern for consequences. So there's that

Not true here this 15yo got an 18year sentence for rapping a white woman on a sidewalk in broad daylight with people calling 911 but not helping. Did you mean consenting brainwashed ones? http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/01/anferney_fontenet_15_rapes_wom.php

Okay, the wide-set nose. Alright, fair enough. He got pulled over because the cop thinks he looks like the BOLO.

Look at the picture of the thinner USA convenience store armed robber and tell us what is different from the dead guy that a freeze frame still shows a gun in his lap, other than sunglasses & ballcap?

And by the way, smoking pot with a child in your car is stupid, but it doesn't prove anything else.

Look at the video of them smoking pot while driving to see/prove why he was pulled over 80+ times instead of wacism. If I had a video of me driving badly I wouldn't post it online for people to see, have you actually watched it? Would you, or any libertarian, defend me if I posted a video of me snorting cocaine off a boys peepee while riding a motorcycle on a public road?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/philando-castile-child-abuse-video-surfaces-castile-girlfriend-smoking-pot-driving-child-car/

Leftists will call a 15yo black a good boy, despite being seen on video stomping on a white woman's head, in a 100 blacks attack 3 whites in a Kroger parking lot crime. You know what I might actually agree he is a good boy in comparison to the black community.
Here is a non race realist version local news if you can even make it through the video. http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/category/287958/understanding-the-case-kroger-parking-lot-attacks

Blogger Elocutioner July 10, 2016 2:22 PM  

Elder Son wrote:What The Last Refuge is doing, is playing on your emotions and grasping at straws.

Sure. You go with that.

Anonymous BGKB July 10, 2016 2:26 PM  

You might want to re-read that, and read it again. Unless elsewhere it is specifically said, by a governing authority, that Castile DID NOT have a permit, he had a permit.

The county you live issues the permit, if you move you legally have to inform them of a change of address so you get a license from the new address. This is why faggots crying about not being able to be married by a single clerk in KY, when they can go to any other country, ignore stories about California Dyke Clerks refusing to give veterans who have the sheriffs approval concealed carry permits despite moslems being imported around them with their tax dollars.

Either the county he lived in knows about his CCW within the same period of moving for drivers licenses or he has broken another law, which admittedly is rarely caught/enforced.

Blogger Elder Son July 10, 2016 2:50 PM  

@88 Really?


Ramsey Sheriff (MN)
@RamseySheriff

@cameron_dehart Mr. Castile never applied for a permit to carry with our office. Therefore we did not issue his permit.


Therefore we did not issue his permit.

It is pretty damn easy to find out if he had a permit, or not, anywhere in the State. Current, or expired. The Last Refuge is using this tweet by the Sheriff to claim, in fact, he did not have a permit. Does this tweet, in fact, state that he did not have a permit?

Blogger Elocutioner July 10, 2016 2:56 PM  

Agreed, the truth means nothing to them and some of them even know the latest dindu was morally in the wrong. But there's also a huge subset that simply don't accept the tenets of Western Civ. They MAY know he was wrong per the law but they don't believe he was morally wrong. One of theirs died and revenge is justice. These are not exactly dialectic types, which is why now it's all kangz and sheeit. Saint Skittles was my final dose of redpilling. (I was mostly shielded from diversity growing up.)

Anonymous Fisk Ellington Rutledge III July 10, 2016 2:59 PM  

Blacks are not "yet" entirely civilized? They never have been. They never will be. Ditto Mexicans.

Anonymous RedJack July 10, 2016 3:00 PM  

Cadwallander J wrote:The time to civilization concept has the same limitation as evolutionist has explaining the origins of life.

Which peoples emerged from barbarism to a civilized state de novo and why? The Israelites were dragged to that state by God and had Egyptian culture as an influence. The Greeks and Chinese also independently developed cultures without prior exposure. How did the Egyptians construct a civilized culture without first being exposed to one?

Do you think the state of the black culture reversed itself after the Civil Rights movement? Were they, as a group, on the road to functioning in American society? They clearly seem to be reverting to their genetic mean at this point in time. Where's the evidence that blacks, on average, have made any progress? Not South Africa. Not Detroit. Not Birmingham. Where do we see that they're halfway through?
We don't know who the Egyptians and Chinese had contact with. For the former, it is a pretty decent be that the civilization in Mesopotamia predates it, and there are some hints about an older Indus valley civilization. As for progress, even in those places you mentioned they are not the same as they were two hundred years ago. The Romans said the same about my people, even after we gave up head hunting and painting our buts blue.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 10, 2016 3:09 PM  

The Scandanavians you refer to above are an interesting case. It took only a few centuries for them to progress from pillagers to land-holding Nobles in France and England.

The land-holding nobles in France and England were not all that civilized during the later middle ages. I'd say it probably took until Elizabethan times before you could really call England civilized. Since the Vikings started having contact with the remains of Roman Civilization around 800 or 900 AD, that's seven to eight hundred years, at the low end of Vox's theory, but well within it.

Blogger Elder Son July 10, 2016 3:14 PM  

@91 Is it possible he moved and didn't inform the Sheriff? Yes. And? Ooh, scary. And broken another law is just scary too! Traffic stops! Misdemeanors! I admit, in my white-ass younger days, I had a habit of not paying my traffic fines.

Okay, it appears that he was in fact licensed to carry.

Philando Castile, 32, possessed a valid permit along with his gun when he was shot to death by Officer Jeronimo Yanez in suburban Falcon Heights, Minn., the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported.

Next nickpick?

Blogger Elocutioner July 10, 2016 3:20 PM  

Just to add a little context for the winter argument - the southernmost tip of Africa is closer to the equator than Gibraltar and Tunis, and is roughly the same as Los Angeles, Dallas, and Atlanta.

Blogger weka July 10, 2016 3:28 PM  

@66. In part: what you are talking about is buffers on behaviour.
(Vox is correct in this: there are more violent and aggressive people. I'd argue that all races have this within them still: that civilization is a buffer, or life would be brutal, short, and Hobbsean)
I have seen kids hit over the head by the Presbyterian hymn book. In Church. Samoan, by the way. Good church family. Culture still matters.

Blogger bob k. mando July 10, 2016 3:30 PM  

97. Elder Son July 10, 2016 3:14 PM
the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported.


newspapers lie and repeat lies all the time.

are you going to believe them when they tell you that Hillary has been completely exonerated and committed no crimes?

the question is NOT what is the Star Tribune repeating.

the question is, what is the source of this information AND how reliable is that source?

no, the Sheriff's dept not issuing a CCW to Philandro does NOT mean that he doesn't have one. it also doesn't mean that the Sheriff is telling the truth ...

Anonymous EH July 10, 2016 3:36 PM  

Elder Son, you are painfully unconvincing. The Minneapolis Star-Tribune is not likely to be a good judge of whether a gun permit was valid. He may have had a permit, but that he did not have a permit in his county of residence and that he had lived there longer than the grace period to apply seems quite likely and likely to be something that the MST would have overlooked.

Blogger Elder Son July 10, 2016 3:49 PM  

Will crap! Everyone is lying. He did not have a permit. The cop just walked on up, the man was reaching for his gun, and the cop shot him as per The Last Refuge. Woosh! That settle that. Because Hillary! And BLM. And Dallas.

This isn't Calif. where the CCW is only valid for the county. Minnesota is an open carry state also.

Blogger Josh July 10, 2016 3:49 PM  

From the state of Minnesota website:

Where is my Minnesota permit valid?
Minnesota permits are valid throughout the state of Minnesota. Individuals interested in determining whether a Minnesota permit to carry is valid in another state should contact that state directly to determine what the carry laws are. You may also find other resources on the Internet to assist you.

Do I need to have my permit with me when carrying my pistol?
Yes, the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

Do I have to disclose to a peace officer that I am a permit holder and carrying a firearm?
Yes, upon request of a peace officer, a permit holder must disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm.

Do I need to notify the sheriff’s office when I move?
Yes, a permit holder is required to notify the issuing sheriff’s office within 30 days of a permanent address change. Failure to do so is a petty misdemeanor.

Do the address and/or my new driver’s license number on my permit to carry need to match the address and/or drivers license number on my driver’s license?
No. A permit holder, however, is required to notify the issuing sheriff’s office within 30 days of a permanent address change. Failure to do so is a petty misdemeanor. The permit holder may, however, obtain an updated permit at a cost of $ 10.00. There is a statutory requirement to change the address on your driver’s license within 30 days after changing your residence (171.11).

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Blogger Were-Puppy July 10, 2016 4:22 PM  

@43 Lovekraft

I wonder if there's a point where a tribe becomes too civilized. The opposite end of the spectrum, where too much wealth, technology and power renders them amoral, corrupt etc.

If that's the case, the middle would be wise to learn what balance truly means: strong enough to fend off the barbarians inside and outside the gates and wise enough to recognize when their systems are giving them false, temporal comfort.
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I bring this up because of your user name. I've got the complete letters between Robert E Howard and HP Lovecraft. They discussed this very thing often.

Blogger Elder Son July 10, 2016 4:31 PM  

@104 And as per the cop.

Go find it yourself. Look up. The fact is, most people have already made up their mind. You are one of them, by insinuation and misrepresentation of what they want you to believe as facts.

I haven't stretched anything in this manner. Unlike The Last Refuge in its lame attempt to prove once and for all, the man deserved to be shot because he was reaching for his gun because of picture. And, the claim that the cop never asked for his I.D., when the cop specifically stated he was going to ask for I.D. And, he did not have a permit to carry, by insinuation of The Last Refuge. On and on and on and on.

If the cops provide video/audio substantiating all these claims made, I'll concede. Until then, it is all on shaky ground.

It really is stoo-pid to provide a link to The Last Refuge and then say, See! Look. He done did it! When it is all to easy to tear apart.

Look, I'm not a logician. But when someone tells me that I must have failed logic in college because I easily tear apart The Last Refuge crap, I just laugh. There is just too much emotionalism feeding the he done did it. Anyhow, my college experience is Mechanical Drafting. Just Mechanical Drafting. Trade School Auto-body. Trade School Auto Mechanics. So therefore I must be stoo-pid. LMAO.

Blogger Harleyrose59 July 10, 2016 4:42 PM  

"It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind."
US Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in writing the 8-1 majority opinion of Buck v. Bell

Anonymous BGKB July 10, 2016 5:02 PM  

This isn't Calif. where the CCW is only valid for the county. Minnesota is an open carry state also.

My CCW is valid in 30 states thanks to CCW reciprocity. While a healthcare traveler I kept my Home Of Record the same despite moving on a 13 week basis without breaking the law.


OT: Did anyone see HACKED BLM data showing bath House Barry wants BLM on fire for the election?
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/07/06/hacked-messages-of-blacklivesmatter-leader-reveal-obama-admins-plan-for-summer-of-chaos-and-martial-law/

Here’s the conversation over the course of several days between black activists DeRay McKesson (DM) and Johnetta Elzie (JE), and between McKesson and a “white ally” named Sam (S):

JE: “Have you spoken with Mrs. Lynch [Attorney General Loretta Lynch] recently about the plan for the summer and fall leading up to the elections"

DM: “We spoke two weeks and they want us to start really pushing how racist Trump is now instead of waiting so the others can start getting the protesters ready to shut both conventions down"
...

S: “I wanted to touch base with you about the summer of chaos. So far we have over 2,000 people bused in from different cities and another 6,000 to 8,000 expected to drive into Cleveland for the Convention.”

S: “They will not be ready for the crowds we are bringing and they will blame Trump for it, especially if we shut it down. The GOP will have to replace him at that point or we will continue the disruptions nationwide.”

Blogger The Other Robot July 10, 2016 6:02 PM  

@109: My CCW is valid in all 57 states!

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 10, 2016 7:01 PM  

Human Animal wrote:I'm trying to remember a guest on TheDailyShoah podcast. He was a economics-philosophy guy who phrased it as a Eugenics of compound interest:

White people have been hanging one percent of their criminals every year for a thousand years.

Or used to.


That's not how compound interest works.

Blogger bob k. mando July 10, 2016 8:27 PM  

race war rising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5APp6BG66U

Blogger The Other Robot July 10, 2016 8:44 PM  

That's not how compound interest works.

Well, both of them are solutions to the first order DE of the sort y = Ax' + B.

In the case of interest, A is positive, while in the case Human Animal wrote of, A is negative.

Blogger Elder Son July 10, 2016 9:10 PM  

BGKB My CCW is valid in 30 states thanks to CCW reciprocity. While a healthcare traveler I kept my Home Of Record the same despite moving on a 13 week basis without breaking the law.

LMAO. Good for you. I've carried in several states without a CCW on a cross-country bike ride. Shoot me. I'm an evil law-breaker!

I think some people are making the mistake that I am trying to prove that the dead man was unjustifiably killed. When the fact is, I am just proving all the lame attempts, so far in various corners, to justify the shooting, don't have a leg to stand on. That may change in the future. Maybe a dashcam or bodycam will prove the cop justified. We'll see. I'm just not going to blind myself because black, or BLM, or because Dallas, or because Hillary. Or, he's a crim-in-nal! Or, he didn't do a change of address on his CCW! I'm still laughing at The Last Refuge trying to convince everyone that the peek-a-boo black object barely peeking out of the mans shirt looks like the gun in the armed robbery picture.

I may be swayed if they show the actual whole gun and it looks exactly like the arm robbery gun. But even then, if it did, does it prove that the man was justifiably killed? Nope.

It is still entirely possible that the cop did ask for ID's, and when the man reached for his ID, the cop got the peek-a-boo, and panicked. Or, maybe: "I DID NOT ask him for his I.D. damn-it! I just walked up and he was reaching for his GUN! So I SHOT him! Right AFTER I repeatedly told him to not reach for the gun!"

Maybe we'll get some actual verifiable facts, no? I haven't seen any, so far.

And that, is that.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 10, 2016 9:10 PM  

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/10/exclusive-new-black-panther-leader-country-within/

BLM and affiliates have repeatedly called for their own safe space. Good. We can finally get back to federalism. But no, blacks can't have 5 states, 1 will do just fine, and they can self-deport to it by mandating that it's the only place they can get federal welfare money and/or retain their federal gubmint jobs.

Segregation is the only moral solution.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 10, 2016 9:13 PM  

I find this entire argument very odd. The following has been established:

1. There is no rule of law in the Banana Empire.

2. The police, as agents of Empire, are clearly above laws - which apply only to zeks and the like, apparently even when they kill dindus who are not attempting to kill them first (though this remains to be seen in MN). Nobody, especially Lügenpresse or the many Jeffersonian ghost-dancers, gives a shit about YT killed by police - especially completely innocent ones killed for the fun of it. Oddly, about the only time a badge-gang goonda even loses his job is when he actually defends his own life (Darren Wilson no longer has his job). This is part of what is known as anarcho-tyranny, by the way.

3. Officer Jeronimo Yanez - wonder if this is an Aztec or one of the native tribes from MN, perhaps Filipino (see picture). Not white - perhaps yet another white/hispanic/indian? Is Lügenprese calling him that yet? Maybe a white-asian will be the NY Times's latest spin.

4. Another dindu is dead. Ask me if I give a crap. Do our ghost-dancers think the dear departed dindu was an ally? Nigga please...

5. There's been a one-sided war under way for decades. As with any war, the first casualty is truth - so we're down to nitpicking about which liar is telling the most lies: Lügenpresse or the clown-fart for the badge-gang goondas. Usually they tell the same lies, so I suppose it's interesting to see them lying at each other for a change.

Blogger haus frau July 10, 2016 9:19 PM  



@115


It's funny because the black panther mouthpiece acknowledges that no one wants to live around blacks and so blacks moving in en mass is his entire plan for getting everyone else to move out. You would think this would be a cause for some self reflection about why exactly no one, asians, hispanics, whatever, wants to live around his people but no. Of course not, we're all just raciss.

Blogger IreneAthena July 10, 2016 10:23 PM  

What's all this about designating one state, or five, and forcing all the blacks to move there? That idea smacks of the slave trade, with Africans being dragged away from their familiar homes and forced to live in places not of their choosing.

What we need is a separate state--just one ought to do it -- reserved for Whites who can't manage to live in the same state with any of the other races. If whites want to live in such an exclusive setting, they may, but they'll have no other options besides that one state. State of the Snow White Princesses Far Away from any Black-Eyed Peas.

Everyone else can live where they'd like, also. Even the most vocal "we need our safe space" minorities wouldn't mind living in a mixed-race STATE, or a mixed-race CITY, if not a mixed-race neighborhood. Woik it out, people.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 10, 2016 10:32 PM  

IreneAthena wrote:What's all this about designating one state, or five, and forcing all the blacks to move there? That idea smacks of the slave trade, with Africans being dragged away from their familiar homes and forced to live in places not of their choosing.

What we need is a separate state--just one ought to do it -- reserved for Whites who can't manage to live in the same state with any of the other races. If whites want to live in such an exclusive setting, they may, but they'll have no other options besides that one state. State of the Snow White Princesses Far Away from any Black-Eyed Peas.

Everyone else can live where they'd like, also. Even the most vocal "we need our safe space" minorities wouldn't mind living in a mixed-race STATE, or a mixed-race CITY, if not a mixed-race neighborhood. Woik it out, people.


Which state do you suggest?

Blogger Robert Divinity July 10, 2016 10:56 PM  

1. There is no rule of law in the Banana Empire.

Check. FBI Director Comey felt safe enough to make it official policy last week. The peasants have been warned not to expect the preferred treatment of their corrupt overlords.

2...Oddly, about the only time a badge-gang goonda even loses his job is when he actually defends his own life (Darren Wilson no longer has his job).

You saw this become semi-official policy with non-cop White Hispanic George Zimmerman. If he had taken his Black Hero beating and not defended himself, all would have been good (except the Aztlan angle, which was problematic).

3... Not white - perhaps yet another white/hispanic/indian? Is Lügenprese calling him that yet? Maybe a white-asian will be the NY Times's latest spin.

His name and photograph will be flushed down the memory hole.

4...Do our ghost-dancers think the dear departed dindu was an ally?

A natural conservative, no doubt.

5. There's been a one-sided war under way for decades.

Trump set the genocide clock back a half hour or thereabouts. So ghost-dancing can continue outside the barbed wire a bit longer. It may become cloyingly joyous as rumors of the Great White Buffalo spread through the pulpit and the pages of The Wall Street Journal.





Anonymous Gen. Kong July 10, 2016 11:09 PM  

@119.
Which state do you suggest?

I suggest Liberia. It's the 57th state I think (or is it the 54th? - I can't remember - so many states so little time). I hear the Ebola bouquet is to die for there.

@120.
Yes, my spirit-guides and dream-catchers have been telling me that a great white buffalo will soon appear.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 10, 2016 11:15 PM  

Yes, my spirit-guides and dream-catchers have been telling me that a great white buffalo will soon appear.

The buffalo vision came to my spirit guide, Glenn Beck, during a commercial break. Apparently the GWB will manifest during a super patriot march on D.C. IT will be just like Lexington and Concorde except the men are all pussies and everyone is a 3/5th'er and has certificates to show they own precious metal.

Blogger IreneAthena July 10, 2016 11:23 PM  

@119 Which state do I suggest, you ask, Rusty Fife? My tastes are not so refined as those of the driven Snow Whites, so I couldn't presume to say. Draw up your own boundaries, just as long as they don't enclose 1)the nation's capital 2)more than 25% of the shoreline of any ocean, sea, Great Lake, or Mississippi River.

And if any part of the Whites Only State is in Texas, the rest of us get to annex Austin.

@120 What would a dream-catcher for General Kong look like? A basketball hoop with no hole for the ball to go through...

Blogger Robert Divinity July 10, 2016 11:33 PM  

@120 What would a dream-catcher for General Kong look like? A basketball hoop with no hole for the ball to go through...

I don't know him well enough to offer an opinion. If his dream-catcher can keep Paul Ryan speeches with tom-toms pounding in the background from going through he's probably fine.

Blogger Owen July 11, 2016 1:44 AM  

I think part of the problem IS the destruction of the black family. Whites used to go hear jazz in Harlem, Chicago, New Orleans, the Fillmore in SF etc. without fear. My dad used to go hear Jazz in Chicago along with his buddies. My Dad and his friends were upper middle class, not tough, I never recall him saying anything about being in any danger. The welfare state was a lot smaller in those days. Blacks were employed in large numbers in the heavy industries in Chicago. Those jobs are mostly gone.

Blogger Owen July 11, 2016 1:46 AM  

I think part of the problem IS the destruction of the black family. Whites used to go hear jazz in Harlem, Chicago, New Orleans, the Fillmore in SF etc. without fear. My dad used to go hear Jazz in Chicago along with his buddies. My Dad and his friends were upper middle class, not tough, I never recall him saying anything about being in any danger. The welfare state was a lot smaller in those days. Blacks were employed in large numbers in the heavy industries in Chicago. Those jobs are mostly gone.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 11, 2016 1:51 AM  

IreneAthena wrote:@119 Which state do I suggest, you ask, Rusty Fife? My tastes are not so refined as those of the driven Snow Whites, so I couldn't presume to say. Draw up your own boundaries, just as long as they don't enclose 1)the nation's capital 2)more than 25% of the shoreline of any ocean, sea, Great Lake, or Mississippi River.

And if any part of the Whites Only State is in Texas, the rest of us get to annex Austin.


Funny that you only contest two cities (neither of them productive) and shorelines. I'm grateful you'd allow us a port.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra July 11, 2016 3:16 AM  

As usual the Clints, Soros, militarized perverted media wiped HillMIllof lies off the tv box for 3 days. Also left unsaid is how did BLM's funders assume or know where the police would be to attack them other than the general vicinity?

Must listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJPFdS6SSgQ

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra July 11, 2016 3:17 AM  

An older item of mine from 2015 would suit Gen Kong nicely. After all, we go beyond solidified in gold.

Blogger David Power July 11, 2016 7:53 AM  

The BLM is actually far more dangerous to blacks lives than the KKK ever was.

Nutshell: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dBp2w8r17AE

Anonymous BGKB July 11, 2016 8:55 AM  

And if any part of the Whites Only State is in Texas, the rest of us get to annex Austin.

Austin didn't have many blacks before Katrina. Without section 8 you would be lucky to get a one way buss pass out of it.

If whites want to live in such an exclusive setting, they may, but they'll have no other options besides that one state.

So when the only whites you have are govt. workers & mudsharks who will keep the lights on?

Yes, my spirit-guides and dream-catchers have been telling me that a great white buffalo will soon appear

Rush Limbaugh?

I may be swayed if they show the actual whole gun and it looks exactly like the arm robbery gun.

Darn it I own more than one gun I didn't know there was a limit.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction July 11, 2016 11:00 AM  

@35

This is why I am pro-abortion and think we don't have enough of them. Abortion removes largely those with low IQs and high crime potential from society. In fact, we need to expand abortion opportunities throughout the inner cities.

I may be mistaken, but my memory tells me that it was in fact the opposite and that abortions were more often used by those in the upper and middle classes than those in the lower social strata.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction July 11, 2016 11:03 AM  

@35

This is why I am pro-abortion and think we don't have enough of them. Abortion removes largely those with low IQs and high crime potential from society. In fact, we need to expand abortion opportunities throughout the inner cities.

I may be mistaken, but my memory tells me that it was in fact the opposite and that abortions were more often used by those in the upper and middle classes than those in the lower social strata.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 11, 2016 12:48 PM  

Theproductofafineeduction wrote:my memory tells me that it was in fact the opposite and that abortions were more often used by those in the upper and middle classes
Maybe not true elsewhere, but in Mississippi 72% of all abortions are performed on Black women.

The USA numbers are also likely biased by sex-selection abortions among S. and E. Asian immigrants.  They should just be sent home.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra July 11, 2016 6:19 PM  

Today I was informed that I was Cucked about continued talk of Soros, CLints, etc., so while I understand the economics and total social dominance/manipulations I assign blame towards those pple. Overall, I retract if I was wrong.

But thats not the topic, the narrative is a failure as Vox described here.

Anonymous Anonymous July 11, 2016 6:35 PM  

@1 "Which factors winnow things the fastest? Is there some way to speed this process up?"

It's genetic so you need to stop the worst breeding.

In Europe and Asia this was achieved with a high rate of capital punishment over a long period however that is unlikely to be supported now.

The second best way to accomplish this is to reverse juvenile criminal justice policy.

Being lenient until they're 18-20 is too late as the worst will already have 2-3 baby mommas. You need to remove them as early as possible.

So have a juvenile 3 strikes and you're out policy starting at say age 13 where 3 strikes get you locked up till age 24.

.

"Aren't no go zones areas involuntary?"

Yes. The media censored non-white crime and attacked the police if they tried to deal with it so senior officers gave up and marked off no go areas where officers should only do the bare minimum.

This makes things worse because a gang culture takes over as the police retreat and the gang members intimidate all the local girls into sex so the violence genes are spread faster.

Allowing gang ruled no-go areas is effectively a psychopath breeding program.

Blogger Grey July 11, 2016 6:36 PM  

@1 "Which factors winnow things the fastest? Is there some way to speed this process up?"

It's genetic so you need to stop the worst breeding.

In Europe and Asia this was achieved with a high rate of capital punishment over a long period however that is unlikely to be supported now.

The second best way to accomplish this is to reverse juvenile criminal justice policy.

Being lenient until they're 18-20 is too late as the worst will already have 2-3 baby mommas. You need to remove them as early as possible.

So have a juvenile 3 strikes and you're out policy starting at say age 13 where 3 strikes get you locked up till age 24.

.

"Aren't no go zones areas involuntary?"

Yes. The media censored non-white crime and attacked the police if they tried to deal with it so senior officers gave up and marked off no go areas where officers should only do the bare minimum.

This makes things worse because a gang culture takes over as the police retreat and the gang members intimidate all the local girls into sex so the violence genes are spread faster.

Allowing gang ruled no-go areas is effectively a psychopath breeding program.

Blogger vtah July 11, 2016 8:10 PM  

"Which factors winnow things the fastest?
Losing wars and having your women bred by the civilized conquerors. I suspect this is why the less attractive races tend to be less civilized."

my dad said a similar thing to me 20 years ago. he said, referring to africa, that nobody wanted to go fight a war where the women are unattractive. i'm not referring to rape or anything but just mating with or marrying the local women. i, myself, am a byproduct of vietnamese-american white because of vietnam war.

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