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Saturday, July 23, 2016

No one foresaw it

It's no wonder the SF-SJWs are always a few steps behind.
It had been believed that the slaters would lose interest if they couldn’t sweep entire categories, since it that would mean that they could neither get awards for their own favorites (since fans would No Award them) nor “burn down” the awards, since fans would have at least a couple of organic works to give awards to. No one foresaw the “griefing” strategy of nominating works whose mere presence on the finalist list would cast the awards into disrepute.
- Greg Hullender at File 770
They still don't quite get it, do they? Rabid Puppies didn't nominate "If You Were a Dinosaur My Love" or "Shadow War of the Night Dragons: Book One: The Dead City: Prologue" for the Hugo Award. We didn't give a Best Novel Nebula to The Quantum Rose (Book 6 in the Saga of the Skolian Empire) or a Best Novel Hugo to Redshirts.

We're not casting the awards into disrepute, we are highlighting the fact that the SJWs in science fiction have already made them disreputable. I wonder what they will fail to foresee next? That's a rhetorical question, of course. I already know.

As an aside, I continue to find it funny that the SF-SJWs get so furiously upset about my dismissing so much of their concept of science fiction without the science as mere romance in space. I mean, everyone else clearly gets it, including the publisher.

Ascendant Sun is the direct sequel to The Last Hawk, in which Kelric, heir to the Skolian Empire, crash-landed his fighter on the Restricted planet of Coba. He was imprisoned by the powerful mistresses of the great estates--women who, over time, fell in love with him. After 18 years of living in their gilded cage, Kelric finally made his escape.

In Ascendant Sun, Kelric returns to Skolian space, only to find the Empire in control of the Allied forces of Earth. With little more than the clothes on his back, Kelric is forced to take work on a merchant vessel. But when that vessel enters Euban space, Kelric finds his worst nightmare realized: he becomes a slave to the cruel Aristos--humans who use torture and sex as the ultimate aphrodesiac.

Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, eat your heart out! Remember, Ascendant Sun, Book 5 of 14 in the Saga of the Skolian Empire, is the immediate predecessor to what the SJWs informed us was the very Best Novel in science fiction that year.

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108 Comments:

Blogger S1AL July 23, 2016 1:38 PM  

They can't even spell "aphrodisiac" correctly...

Also, teh lulz.

Anonymous Lord Rod July 23, 2016 1:40 PM  

Surely this book cover has to be a troll, an Onion-quality troll?

But it isn't.

Asaro's Wiki insists she writes hard SF when she's not pushing for more girls in STEM, but how does she feel about kissing the sky with hard Buckaroos?

Blogger Human Animal July 23, 2016 1:41 PM  

They can't even spell "aphrodisiac" correctly...

I'm still trying to work out how sex could be an aphrodisiac.

Blogger Dexter July 23, 2016 1:45 PM  

John Norman already did sex slaves in space. Can't believe his Gor books never won a Hugo or Nebula.

Blogger S1AL July 23, 2016 1:47 PM  

"I'm still trying to work out how sex could be an aphrodisiac."

You follow it up with other, kinkier sex?

Blogger VD July 23, 2016 1:48 PM  

I rather like the way the cover artist based the two characters on Robert Wagner and, I think, Teri Hatcher.

Anonymous Juan Carlo of the Nerds July 23, 2016 1:49 PM  

Lord Rod wrote:Surely this book cover has to be a troll, an Onion-quality troll?


Looks about on par with standard Baen cover TBH.

Don't doubt that novel is exactly what you would expect from that blurb and cover though.
On the other hand, looking at authoress Amazon page, she looks like a quality MILF and that already puts her far above the vast majority of female SF authors.;)

Anonymous Elipe July 23, 2016 1:49 PM  

SJWs really can't do better than writing the plots to cheesy 80s' space romance B-movies?

They might as well just get to the point and write "Snu Snu on Amazonia".

Blogger haus frau July 23, 2016 1:51 PM  

"he becomes a slave to the cruel Aristos--humans who use torture and sex as the ultimate aphrodesiac."

I can't read that line without picturing the 300 lb author typing away feverishly with his or her chubby little fingers that smell of hot dogs. Hot dogs and desperation....

Anonymous Juan Carlo of the Nerds July 23, 2016 1:53 PM  

haus frau wrote:"he becomes a slave to the cruel Aristos--humans who use torture and sex as the ultimate aphrodesiac."

I can't read that line without picturing the 300 lb author typing away feverishly with his or her chubby little fingers that smell of hot dogs. Hot dogs and desperation....


And judging from her pictures, you would be as wrong as one can get.

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 23, 2016 1:55 PM  

"Women who...over time...fell in love with him."

If that aint science fiction, I don't know what is.

Quantum Rose was pretty bad. It wasn't this bad. Proves that entryism starts at the minimal requirements, then has a measurable trajectory down.

Blogger Salt July 23, 2016 1:56 PM  

haus frau wrote:I can't read that line without picturing the 300 lb author typing away feverishly with his or her chubby little fingers that smell of hot dogs.

Tears running down as she cries, "Oh, this is so good."

Anonymous JAG July 23, 2016 1:58 PM  

Kelric (of Melnibone). Skolian. Coba & Euban. Not too hard to figure out what her influences are without reading much more than this.

Blogger 4499 July 23, 2016 1:58 PM  

I found this excerpt from the novel on Amazon:

"That's quite a circus tent you're pitching there," said the Queen voraciously, which is a word. "How's about doing some space pushups for me, to give your skin a sweat sheen?"

"Can do, Misses Queen," replied our hero, sporting the best space mullet in the universe. "Maybe you'd like to rest a hand on my space buttocks whilst I do them, and then afterwards we head over to the snack machines for a Yoo-Hoo and Hostess fruit pie, so's I can build up my sex energy for the doing it."

Anonymous Alekhine July 23, 2016 2:03 PM  

"Slave boy! Come here and adjust my translinear space throckulator!" she cooed with a wink.

Anonymous JAG July 23, 2016 2:04 PM  

^^ That has to be intentionally bad. It has to.

I admit, I snickered at the "space pushups" cheese.

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 23, 2016 2:04 PM  

I'm sure Jim C. Hines will be stripping down and re-creating this cover any day now...

Blogger Diego Del Sol July 23, 2016 2:05 PM  

But why did they pick 70 y/o Robert Wagner's face? Or is that the effect of extensive exposure to cosmic radiation which doesn't result in superpowers?

Anonymous 5343 July 23, 2016 2:05 PM  

As someone who hasn't read much of the genre since high school, it crossed my mind once or twice that Vox might have overstated the case against Pink SF just a tad.

Um ... no.

Anonymous 5343 July 23, 2016 2:08 PM  

she looks like a quality MILF ... who turns 61 this year. As always, author pix are a few decades behind reality.

Anonymous Electryon July 23, 2016 2:12 PM  

Select quotes from her books on her Goodreads page are... interesting, to say the least. Have fun:
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/34854.Catherine_Asaro

“Ah hell”
― Catherine Asaro, The Charmed Sphere

Blogger Were-Puppy July 23, 2016 2:17 PM  

OT Speaking of things no one forsaw

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/07/23/two-juveniles-apprehended-illegally-crossing-border-while-playing-pokemon-go/

And this one is epic - this guy is playing pokemon while driving and smashes into a cop car :P

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-body-cam-catches-distracted-pokemon-driver-crashes/story?id=40722646

Anonymous Scintan July 23, 2016 2:18 PM  

This seems like a good time to point this out:

Her novels have three times been named the best science fiction novel of the year by Romantic Times Book Club.

Yes, that's really what it says

Blogger Dexter July 23, 2016 2:19 PM  

I dunno, his abs aren't quite chiseled enough for a proper romance hero. Needs to go low carb and do more crunches.

Blogger pyrrhus July 23, 2016 2:20 PM  

@4 Someone needs to write "Sex slaves of Gor"--sure Hugo winner!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 23, 2016 2:22 PM  

POUNDED IN THE BUTT BY THE ASCENDANT SUN WHO USES SEX AS TORTURE AND HOT DOGS AS THE ULTIMATE AFRODESIAK

Anonymous JAG July 23, 2016 2:28 PM  

POUNDED IN THE SPACEBUTT!!

Blogger Lucian Lafayette July 23, 2016 2:29 PM  

Bad girlie-porn in zero-G.

Blogger haus frau July 23, 2016 2:30 PM  

@26 ....AND HOT DOGS AS THE ULTIMATE AFRODESIAK


Correction, that' SPACE HOTDOGS.

Blogger VD July 23, 2016 2:33 PM  

Putting "space" in front of anything makes it science fiction. True fact.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 23, 2016 2:36 PM  

Won't that cover "trigger" fatties?

Anonymous Jack Amok July 23, 2016 2:38 PM  

I still find it quite astonishing that her books have so few Amazon reviews. Quantum Rose has 8. The space-domme book pictured here has 30 (well, I guess we know what her readers are after).

Anonymous Bell Worthington July 23, 2016 2:39 PM  

Took a sci-fi English course for an easy credit in uni. Of the 10 novels we "studied," every single one was written by a member of the tribe. Professor was the stereotypical lefty jew humanities academic as well.

One book on the list was "Beggars in Spain" by (((Ursula K. Le Guin))). I wasn't very knowledgeable about sci-fi authors at the time, so I naively thought "oh sounds like a French lady." I was VERY knowledgeable about the big noses though. Not three pages into "Beggars in Spain" I KNEW this was no French lady. Imagine my lack of surprise when I looked it up to confirm.

The course was easy though. Like usual, just make the desired genuflections to the race/gender/sexuality/marxism matrix at the final exam.

This shit goes deep, and it's nice to see Vox shedding light on things that have gone ignored for too long.

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 23, 2016 2:42 PM  

KATE ASSAROO is a hard bud.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 23, 2016 2:42 PM  

4499 wrote:I found this excerpt from the novel on Amazon:

I was drinking when I read that. You owe me a keyboard!

Blogger David-2 July 23, 2016 2:46 PM  

@33 Beggars In Spain was not by Le Guin. Your shit goes deep.

Anonymous cheddarman July 23, 2016 2:48 PM  

Looks like your standard soft core Harlequin Romance porno for strong independent women and gamma men.

If this crap keeps getting published, Chuck Tingle may be hailed as a literary genius in a decade or so...

Anonymous Jack Amok July 23, 2016 2:48 PM  

Speaking of syfy, the new Star Trek movie managed to rip off not just Mars Attacks!, Stargate and Independence Day, but also the latest Star Wars flick. They're putting together movies these days like some webdev stringing together javascript snippets he doesn't really understand.

Anonymous Electryon July 23, 2016 2:52 PM  

Spoiler: shocking final revelation at the end of "Ascendant Sun" is that Aristos USE MURDER AS A MEANS FOR KILLING PEOPLE! :dun dun dun:

Anonymous Bell Worthington July 23, 2016 2:55 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:Speaking of syfy, the new Star Trek movie

That's the power of SJW convergence in action.

http://imgur.com/a/2lSnM

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 23, 2016 2:59 PM  

Look at the size of his cock!

Romance novels aren't this blatant.

Anonymous DeeJay July 23, 2016 3:03 PM  

Don't authors have a degree of input on the covers, though? I'm actually kind of wondering if it isn't Asaro's attempt to somehow "balance the scales" and troll male readers with some take-that-Golden Age-patriarchy riff on (possibly) an old Frazetta painting, where a barbarian warlord is coldly regarding a nubile young slave.

Unfortunately, most men would simply shrug, take away from this "oh, so the book's a Harlequin bodice-ripper romance", and walk away. Instead of being offended at the blatant sexual objectivization on display and using it as Exhibit 'A' for their Men's Studies thesis on systemic cultural matriarchal oppression/entitlement/buzzword etc.

Anonymous andon July 23, 2016 3:04 PM  

33. Anonymous Bell Worthington July 23, 2016 2:39 PM
Took a sci-fi English course for an easy credit in uni. Of the 10 novels we "studied," every single one was written by a member of the tribe. Professor was the stereotypical lefty jew humanities academic as well.


can you mention that in class?

"I couldn't help but notice...."

wonder if its possible to shame the shameless

Blogger JOE July 23, 2016 3:08 PM  

@29 I was with you until you decided to throw hot dogs under the bus.

Anonymous JAG July 23, 2016 3:09 PM  

DeeJay wrote:Don't authors have a degree of input on the covers, though? I'm actually kind of wondering if it isn't Asaro's attempt to somehow "balance the scales" and troll male readers with some take-that-Golden Age-patriarchy riff on (possibly) an old Frazetta painting, where a barbarian warlord is coldly regarding a nubile young slave.

Unfortunately, most men would simply shrug, take away from this "oh, so the book's a Harlequin bodice-ripper romance", and walk away. Instead of being offended at the blatant sexual objectivization on display and using it as Exhibit 'A' for their Men's Studies thesis on systemic cultural matriarchal oppression/entitlement/buzzword etc.


Having zero fucks to give is powerful magic. It perfectly counter spells the intended outrage. If the many of the various sub groups of the leftist tribe could figure this out we could have good stand up comedy back like it was in the 1980s.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 23, 2016 3:10 PM  

Noticing is not allowed.

Blogger Alexander July 23, 2016 3:32 PM  

There are many number of things hurtling down the tracks that SJWS will proclaim they never saw coming. I am looking forward to it.

Blogger residentMoron July 23, 2016 3:40 PM  

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Blogger residentMoron July 23, 2016 3:42 PM  

That whole series is a cis hetero-normative attack on the galactic egalitarian movement.

Asaro must be hounded out of the industry at once. There's just no place in science fiction for such regressive repressive rape lit

Blogger S1AL July 23, 2016 3:53 PM  

"Look at the size of his cock!

Romance novels aren't this blatant."

Nice to know there are some women around the blog.

Blogger tz July 23, 2016 4:11 PM  

I'm trying to figure out how to "use sex as an aphrodisiac", unless they mean something self catalytic, but 1. I doubt the author could do algebra or grammar so wouldn't know what I'm asking, and 2. the book sounds like torture. I won't read it to see what they could possibly mean, however in audio form it might be useful to remove barricaded gunmen.
My thought was all the Fabio covers in romances of yore.
Even the quality of romance novels have declined with their women readership.

Blogger Groot July 23, 2016 4:16 PM  

@50. S1AL:

Cataline is a dude, despite the name, and despite looking at the package. Anyway, what? Seems normal.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 23, 2016 4:21 PM  

Dexter wrote:John Norman already did sex slaves in space. Can't believe his Gor books never won a Hugo or Nebula.

Serious answer for a humor post

probably because A: They were fem-sub male-dom

and B: Written mostly for men (though women love them)

and C: Norman when you understand the context is writing harder SF than most writers writing SF today and is actually a very good consistent world builder, better in many respects (and more moral) than G.R.R. Martin

Blogger Ingot9455 July 23, 2016 4:25 PM  

@45 Authors at the big publishing houses have near zero input on the cover art. For an author to get an artist that glanced at the manuscript would be like winning the lottery.

A long time ago I was at a reading at a science fiction con where the author explained how he got the cover art for his book (a Nazi-style alternate history when those were kind of new). The editor brought him to a giant wall display of fabulous cover art and then put his hand down at knee level. "You can pick anyone from here or lower." They were organized not by any quality, skill, or type, but by price alone. The guy he picked sent in some kind of Odin-looking guy flying in a cauldron pulled by reindeer, when to be honest, a black cover with a swastika on the frount would have done much better.

Blogger Ingot9455 July 23, 2016 4:26 PM  

@4 Brilliant. Can we put John Norman books up for the Retro Hugos? We have to check the publication dates.

Anonymous BGKB July 23, 2016 4:33 PM  

"The Last Hawk" The only sci fi sounding part was when he crashed. This book sounds like 50 shades of grey in space.

"use sex as an aphrodisiac", They have to watch slaves having space sex.

"Look at the size of his cock! Its his space cock, not to be confused with his space cockpit.


OT: Liberals plan to deal with moslems, teach them the real meaning of islam http://www.prisonplanet.com/german-officials-respond-to-migrants-axe-attack-by-calling-for-mandatory-islam-classes.html

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 23, 2016 4:34 PM  

There are some radical style differences between John Norman books, enough so that I find it immediately credible that "John Norman" is a brand more than a nom de plume.  Rumor had it that several SF authors going through lean times made some money on the side by penning Gor novels.

But retro Hugo?  Not unless something else stinky-yet-currently-popular came up that same year.

Blogger James Dixon July 23, 2016 4:37 PM  

> I wonder what they will fail to foresee next?

Well, let's see. The fact that you and/or Markku will be guest speakers/hosting panels at the next Worldcon? The fact that Castalia House's revenues will surpass those of Tor within 5 years or so? The fact that Dragoncon voting will dwarf the Hugo voting and that the will quickly eclipse the Hugos as being the dominant award given for SF&F each year?

Or did you have something more specific in mind? :)

> Can't believe his Gor books never won a Hugo or Nebula.

I believe you have the magic word which explains it somewhere in that sentence.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 23, 2016 4:40 PM  

That bulge was lovingly rendered, but the aura of his Aryan locks is truly sublime.

Blogger S1AL July 23, 2016 4:52 PM  

"Cataline is a dude, despite the name, and despite looking at the package. Anyway, what? Seems normal."

You're spoiling the joke.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 23, 2016 5:04 PM  

Are the bad guys in that universe Skoal Bandits?

Anonymous J. Delcano July 23, 2016 5:05 PM  

... and, this is why I spend my money at Castalia House.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 23, 2016 5:09 PM  

@30 VD
Putting "space" in front of anything makes it science fiction. True fact.
---

Hey, that's a good one.

We have another saying, that adding chimps or midgets to any story turns it into a comedy

Blogger J Van Stry July 23, 2016 5:10 PM  

Yeah, I see it all the time, romance writers who label their books as science fiction, so they can rule that category, because they aren't good enough to make it to the top of the romance categories.

But you can sure rule the SciFi category if you sell a thousand copies in a month, which is nothing in Romance. There it takes about ten times that to rise to the top. The PNR writers do it to, which is why more and more guys won't read SciFi, as most of the best sellers are just Romance novels, or horror (another category that women love).

Blogger J July 23, 2016 5:15 PM  

Torture yes, but sex as an aphrodisiac...?

Blogger J July 23, 2016 5:15 PM  

Torture yes, but sex as an aphrodisiac...?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 23, 2016 5:23 PM  

Compare that soulless cover to this Frazetta

http://www.frankfrazetta.net/images/Frank%20Frazetta-Rogue%20Roman.jpg

Blogger Ingot9455 July 23, 2016 5:43 PM  

@57 John Norman was very specifically experimenting with different styles, Mr. Rational. That's why they start out as planetary romance, but there's a book that is Roman Empire plotting, another that is like the Icelandic Sagas, another that is desert tribal warrior culture, another that's jungle travelogue adventure, and so on.

Anonymous #8601 July 23, 2016 5:46 PM  

Look at the size of his cock!

Bastard, you made me look.

Teri Hatcher

Looks more like Caitlyn Jenner.

Anonymous Ain July 23, 2016 5:52 PM  

The book cover looks like a parody. Having a raptor in the background would only give it more legitimacy.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 23, 2016 5:58 PM  

I'm actually kind of wondering if it isn't Asaro's attempt to somehow "balance the scales" and troll male readers with some take-that-Golden Age-patriarchy riff on (possibly) an old Frazetta painting...

There's nothing wrong with the cover, other than a rather astonishing lack of technical skill (especially in rendering the faces). From a composition and subject matter perspective, it looks like a decent enough romance novel cover. Only other problem is some idiot put it in the Sci-Fi section.

Anonymous Minion July 23, 2016 6:03 PM  

Looks like a Sara Hoyt cover

Anonymous Millenium July 23, 2016 6:04 PM  

BRB, going to take a Mills and Boon novel, change the castle to a space castle, the maiden to a space maiden, and the ravishing viking to a ravishing space viking and collect my Hugo.

@32 space domme
I wonder who is her main audience, women or gammas?

Anonymous Dave July 23, 2016 7:33 PM  

Is there no limit to the length of titles in Amazon? One of Chuck Tingle's latest: Slammed In The Butt By Domald Tromp's Attempt To Avoid Accusations Of Plagiarism By Removing All Facts Or Concrete Plans From His Republican National Convention Speech


https://www.amazon.com/Accusations-Plagiarism-Removing-Republican-Convention-ebook/dp/B01IWVBM6O/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1469316622&sr=1-1#nav-subnav

Anonymous Hard Buckaroo July 23, 2016 7:40 PM  

First you should read Shrondingers Butt?

https://www.amazon.com/Schrodingers-Butt-Chuck-Tingle-ebook/dp/B01H9K0W88/ref=sr_1_14?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1469317026&sr=1-14#nav-subnav

Anonymous Just call me Nessie July 23, 2016 7:42 PM  

If only the SJW's had paid attention last year, they would have known that Domald Tromp is actually the Loch Ness Monster.

https://www.amazon.com/President-Domald-Tromp-Pounds-Americas-ebook/dp/B015BH04HA/ref=sr_1_16?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1469317026&sr=1-16#nav-subnav

Anonymous cheddarman July 23, 2016 7:49 PM  

Next year we need to nominate a book with a cover like this, except the dude has the woman over his knee and is spanking the chick...or something equally patriarchal...and hopefully it involves Chuck Tingle

Blogger dc.sunsets July 23, 2016 7:51 PM  

I still think SJWs, as a virulent form of progressive, are born.

They are Eloi...except they're often fat and stupid, whereas the Morlocks are the technologists, the builders and the beautiful. Wells got his descriptions wrong.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 23, 2016 7:52 PM  

http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2016/07/why-do-progressives-get-religion_40.html?m=1

Anonymous Tingle can't touch this July 23, 2016 8:03 PM  

4.8 stars almost 400 reviews,

Trump Temptation: The Billionaire & The Bellboy
https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Temptation-Billionaire-Elijah-Daniel-ebook/dp/B01AX111Q2?ie=UTF8&qid=1469318423&ref_=la_B01AXD9GDK_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1#nav-subnav

Blogger John Wright July 23, 2016 8:13 PM  

@4
"John Norman already did sex slaves in space. Can't believe his Gor books never won a Hugo or Nebula."

I think he is still writing them. Go go gadget internet....

Yes. Plunder of Gor (Due August 30, 2016) is number 34 in the series. This guy is trying to give Perry Rhodan a run for his money.

Let's see what it says the plot is. "a young woman, now merchandise, has been brought from Earth to the slave markets of Gor." Not sure why the SJWs hate this stuff: they love Muslims, who did this kind of thing in real life from the days of Aisha. Mohammed's child-bride, to the present. See Boko Haram.

So we have a possible candidate for next year's Rabidness.

Blogger John Wright July 23, 2016 8:24 PM  

@30
"Putting "space" in front of anything makes it science fiction. True fact."

It is a space fact!

Let's see:

FOUNDATION = Space Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS = Space 1776

DUNE = Space Siege of Constantinople

BATTLESTAR GALACTICA = Space Book of Mormon or Space Book of Exodus

THE DEMON PRINCES by Jack Vance = Space Count of Monte Christo

2001 SPACE ODYSSEY = Space Odyssey

A PRINCESS OF MARS = Space Western, complete with savages

STAR WARS = Flash Gordon in Space, with samurai

FLASH GORDON = Pretty much everything from Fu Manchu to Robin Hood in Space

Yep, you're right. Spacifying anything makes it better!

Blogger John Wright July 23, 2016 8:27 PM  

@33

BEGGARS IN SPAIN is by Nancy Kress. Ursula K. LeGuin is a Taoist who wrote LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS and the Earthsea Trilogy.

" Imagine my lack of surprise when I looked it up to confirm."

Perhaps you should have looked harder.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/68333.Beggars_in_Spain

Blogger haus frau July 23, 2016 8:45 PM  

@77 Next year we need to nominate a book with a cover like this, except the dude has the woman over his knee and is spanking the chick...or something equally patriarchal...and hopefully it involves Chuck Tingle

I didn't think Chuck tingle did hetero anything. Space tranny ton-ton butt invaders?

Blogger Scott Birch July 23, 2016 8:49 PM  

Sorry chaps, but I enjoy Ursula LeGuin's work. She may be a prog, but she doesn't shove anything down your throat. She's dissident, not Stasi.

Blogger Erynne July 23, 2016 8:51 PM  

There needs to be a "no one foresaw it" meme now.

Anonymous Blume July 23, 2016 9:02 PM  

It's actually light on the bdsm. It would interfere to much with his awesome seduction skills and ability to properly woe the female lead if he is tortured to much.

Blogger The Deuce July 23, 2016 9:20 PM  

What I love about this, beyond the sheer absurdity, is that for all the SJW posturing about "challenging regressive gender norms" and so forth, this is simply the same sort of ridiculous, trashy romance novel everyone already knew women could write.

Blogger VoodooJock July 23, 2016 10:35 PM  

Think it looks more like Terry Farrell. She was in one of those Star Trek spinoffs in the early 90s. And in Back to School.

Anonymous Rolf July 23, 2016 10:44 PM  

And that, my friends, is why I almost completely stopped reading SF in the mid-1990s. That cover would fit right in on one my mom's Harlequin romance novels. It has no plot, characters, or ideas that I care about. And if it doesn't have those, I really don't care how great the writing is because the story is a waste of my time.

At least the writings of the Tingle-verse have no literary pretensions, it's just straight up buckaroo-world satire.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker July 23, 2016 11:00 PM  

Ascendant Sun - Perils of the Priapic Prince.

Blogger Groot July 23, 2016 11:11 PM  

@60. S1AL:
"You're spoiling the joke."

Sorry, am I spoiling your plans for world domination? Good luck with that.

Anonymous Golly July 23, 2016 11:26 PM  

Literally mentally disproportionally actually acerbically abysmally abnormally hopefully fundamentally bombastically.

Anonymous SciVo July 23, 2016 11:53 PM  

tz wrote:2. the book sounds like torture. I won't read it to see what they could possibly mean, however in audio form it might be useful to remove barricaded gunmen.

I'm picturing a swarm of wall-climbing drones with peer-to-peer wireless mesh networking and a built-in cooperative heuristic for positioning and aiming their speakers for a designated target to get perfect, full surround sound. Drive him crazy until he wastes his ammo fruitlessly trying to shoot the tiny little buggers.

Blogger Adam Meek July 24, 2016 1:06 AM  

Ursula Kroeber LeGuin didn't write Beggars in Spain, but she is an ethnic Jew.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 24, 2016 1:21 AM  

John Wright wrote:@4

"John Norman already did sex slaves in space. Can't believe his Gor books never won a Hugo or Nebula."

I think he is still writing them. Go go gadget internet....

Yes. Plunder of Gor (Due August 30, 2016) is number 34 in the series. This guy is trying to give Perry Rhodan a run for his money.

Let's see what it says the plot is. "a young woman, now merchandise, has been brought from Earth to the slave markets of Gor." Not sure why the SJWs hate this stuff: they love Muslims, who did this kind of thing in real life from the days of Aisha. Mohammed's child-bride, to the present. See Boko Haram.

So we have a possible candidate for next year's Rabidness.


That would be a crowing achievement for Mr. Norman.I should note that if you can get past the interminable BDSM in them, they are quite good Sword and Planet stories.

As I noted Gor is designed consistently, has something of a logical culture (yes including the BDSM) and Norman understands people to some degree

However the books and I've read I don't know a couple of dozen of them of them over the years tend to be exposition, action, action, exposition, action 24 pages of BDSM at some completely inappropriate time, more exposition, more BDSM more exposition, action , rinse, repeat

Also as an aside there doesn't appear to be much child slavery on Gor or that many children, Gor's alien overlords provide anti aging medicine, excellent disease control and birth control technology.

People die by violence but are typically replaced with new people from Earth. There are children but I've never heard of slave children in the stories anyway.

And yes it does make sense in context if you realize that the people of Gor were selected and seeded by aliens. Why they thought highly dominant men and strong but submissive women both with an innate predilection for paraphillia and bondage would best serve their needs , well they are aliens

Blogger Bob Loblaw July 24, 2016 1:43 AM  

John Norman is still writing? Holy crap! Those books were old when I was 13, and... I'm old now.

Blogger Bob Loblaw July 24, 2016 1:47 AM  

People die by violence but are typically replaced with new people from Earth. There are children but I've never heard of slave children in the stories anyway.

Even as a kid I noticed the medicine on Gor was very fantasy - there was some kind of birth control coffee that was perfect, all diseases (including STDs) are cured, and they arrested aging. But there was some eye-rolling deficiency... couldn't heal sword wounds or something like that.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 24, 2016 2:48 AM  

Bob Loblaw wrote:John Norman is still writing? Holy crap! Those books were old when I was 13, and... I'm old now.
I told you John Norman was a brand and not a nom de plume.

Blogger Austin Ballast July 24, 2016 2:56 AM  

Speaking of Perry Rhodan: Has anyone released an ebook collection of these stories?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 24, 2016 4:11 AM  

Mr. Rational wrote:Bob Loblaw wrote:John Norman is still writing? Holy crap! Those books were old when I was 13, and... I'm old now.

I told you John Norman was a brand and not a nom de plume.



Actually its just the author is old and still writing a book every few years.

Its the nom de plume of an 85!! Year old philosophy professor named Dr. John Frederick Lange.
he He is still active in his fan community,taught at least as late as 2012 and is published by Open Road Media who also publishes Robin McKinley, Octavia Butler and Patricia Wrede among others

As an aside, the 1st three books especially the first book are fairly light on BDSM themes compared to later entries and worth a read if you like Sword and Planet and a bit of weird fiction (in book three)

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 24, 2016 4:34 AM  

Bob Loblaw wrote:People die by violence but are typically replaced with new people from Earth. There are children but I've never heard of slave children in the stories anyway.

Even as a kid I noticed the medicine on Gor was very fantasy - there was some kind of birth control coffee that was perfect, all diseases (including STDs) are cured, and they arrested aging. But there was some eye-rolling deficiency... couldn't heal sword wounds or something like that.


This is deliberate and the reasons and the motivations of the Aliens in the 3rd book Priest Kings of Gor and later. There is a pretty good logic too it.

I think its a period thing, the series was around before I was born and the 1st book was published the same year as The Moon is Harsh Mistress (1966!)

The biggest flaw is the BDSM in these books just gets annoying after a while as it tends to dominate pun intended the story in totally unnecessary ways

A quote from Tarnsman of Gor (Book One) on Gorean Tech This is from the POV of the series lead Tarl Cabot

There is at least one area, however," said my father, "in which the Priest-Kings do take a most active interest in this world, and that is the area of technology. They limit, selectively, the technology available to us, the Men Below the Mountains. For example, incredibly enough, weapon technology is controlled to the point where the most powerful devices of war are the crossbow and lance. Further, there is no mechanized transportation or communication equipment or detection devices such as the radar and sonar equipment so much in evidence in the military establishments of your world.
"On the other hand," he said, "you will learn that in lighting, shelter, agricultural techniques, and medicine, for example, the Mortals, or Men Below the Mountains, are relatively advanced."

That said it would be hilarious and cause crazy amounts of pain to the SJW community to get Norman a Hugo. Its a joke idea but I like it.

Its divisive among them too, some in the BDSM /Tumblr sector wouldn't mind but most of the community is all Anti Sex League these days especially for Male Dom/Fem Sub

Given Norman's constant battle against the censors even such "luminaries" as Micheal Moorcock wanting the books to be hidden away on the top shelf though not censored on unpublished, sort of SJW lite thing makes him worthy on those grounds alone.

Norman has come and gone from production, booted from DAW in 1988 for maybe sales reasons (he was getting tedious so it might be true) maybe political ones and struggling to find a publisher, fighting the SJW crowd for years.

He's fought our fight in many ways. So yeah. I like it.



Anonymous SciVo July 24, 2016 4:46 AM  

Bob Loblaw wrote:Even as a kid I noticed the medicine on Gor was very fantasy - there was some kind of birth control coffee that was perfect, all diseases (including STDs) are cured, and they arrested aging. But there was some eye-rolling deficiency... couldn't heal sword wounds or something like that.

Well if they can instantly zap a priest for picking up a sword, I'm sure they could heal sword wounds; they just find it more amusing (or something) not to.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker July 24, 2016 9:10 AM  

@82: “DUNE = Space Siege of Constantinople.”

Dune is a master work. But Frank Herbert obviously borrowed bits of Arab history to construct his world. Atreides vs. Harkonnen reminded me of the struggle between the Al Saud and the Rashids/Hashemites for control of the Arabian Peninsula, with Stilgar cast as King Abdul Aziz, Paul Atreides as Lawrence, and Shaddam as the hapless Ottoman Emperor. And spice? Functional equivalent of oil.

Blogger James Dixon July 24, 2016 11:17 AM  

> Speaking of Perry Rhodan: Has anyone released an ebook collection of these stories?

Not that I saw with a quick glance on Amazon. But there were 307 pages returned for a search on Perry Rhodan in the Kindle store, so who could say for sure.

Now, in the alternative sources world: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6396759/Perry_Rhodan_and_Atlan_English_E-Books

Or, if you read German: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/8826287/Perry_Rhodan_komplette_Sammlung

Blogger Groot July 24, 2016 12:55 PM  

@96. A.B. Prosper:
"And yes it does make sense in context if you realize that the people of Gor were selected and seeded by aliens."

The aliens were scientists. They divided the humans into two groups and tested which would thrive. You might call it an A/B Prosper test.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 24, 2016 12:59 PM  

@94 SciVo
I'm picturing a swarm of wall-climbing drones with peer-to-peer wireless mesh networking and a built-in cooperative heuristic for positioning and aiming their speakers for a designated target to get perfect, full surround sound. Drive him crazy until he wastes his ammo fruitlessly trying to shoot the tiny little buggers.
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Stargate SG1 Replicators

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 24, 2016 2:17 PM  

Groot wrote:@96. A.B. Prosper:

"And yes it does make sense in context if you realize that the people of Gor were selected and seeded by aliens."

The aliens were scientists. They divided the humans into two groups and tested which would thrive. You might call it an A/B Prosper test.


I'm quite amused by that.

In the books the aliens were trying to make a race of soldiers to fight the honorable but very evil, space yetis.

No I am not kidding.

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