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Thursday, July 28, 2016

That was fast

Bernie Sanders is no longer a Democrat:
The nomination was barely sealed up at the Democratic National Convention before Bernie Sanders, who had campaigned against Hillary Clinton for the party’s nod, went back to being an Independent. Sanders, who considers himself, officially, an Independent in Congress because his views lean further left than the Democratic party’s platform, caucuses with Democrats. But until declaring an intention to run for the presidency in 2015, he had rarely, if ever, identified as a member of the Democratic Party.
I thought it was a little strange that someone who wasn't a Democrat would come so close to winning the Democratic nomination, but then, Donald Trump was only a sometime Republican and that didn't stop him from winning the Republican nomination.

It just tends to demonstrate the irrelevance of the parties and their nominal ideologies, I guess. But given the timing of this, I think we can safely count out Bernie for any serious campaigning on the Lizard Queen's behalf.

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Blogger Servant of the Chief July 28, 2016 1:46 PM  

Hopefully he takes any of the fence sitting Bernie Bros with him, just to screw over Hillary.

Blogger Alexander July 28, 2016 1:48 PM  

I assumed everyone knew that Bernie's party affiliation was a point of technicality. He was allowed to run against Hillary on the basis that he'd get a bigger platform to campaign on while still being a joke, and Hillary would have a 'real' contender while still getting a coronation.

Even if he hadn't been so thoroughly stabbed by the DNC - even if he'd only campaigned for a month or two and highmarked at 5% - he would have gone back to being 'independent' once his campaign ended.

Blogger Gaiseric July 28, 2016 1:49 PM  

He's been invited by Jill Stein to serve as the Green party nominee, according to Infowars.

Blogger Daetrin July 28, 2016 1:49 PM  

From what I can tell most Bernie supporters are going third party or Trump. The rhetoric on r/politics and /S4p (not representative I know) is "even with as scary as Trump is we can't vote Hillary."

This is somewhat corroborated by #Demexit and the absurdity of what's going on at the DNC (like Kaine not speaking because they were afraid he'd just be booed).

Blogger Brian S July 28, 2016 1:49 PM  

"Independent" socialist... I tell ya, if nothing else, this election cycle is pure comedy gold

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 28, 2016 1:51 PM  

He's been invited by Jill Stein to serve as the Green party nominee,

Take it, Bernie, take it!

Blogger Gaiseric July 28, 2016 1:58 PM  

@6. Actually, I'm seeing the report all over. Looks like he's going to not.

I actually don't think Bernie ever really intended to win in the first place. He seems like a kind of hapless loser who just wanders around the halls of Congress, and a few (((Democrats))) took pity on a fellow (((traveler))) and invited him to share their coffee and donuts or whatever. He was thrust unexpectedly into the national limelight and thrust to the front of a parade that he had no idea how to lead or where to take it, and I think he'd love nothing more than to fade back into his prior life.

Blogger dh July 28, 2016 2:01 PM  

Bernie is back on the shelf, for sure. He made a good campaign effort, pushed Sec. Clinton to the left substantially, shamed her into the right position of TPP, and overall made this competitive.

Honestly, as soon as politicians recognize that a long primary fight is good, free media, and essential for coming to the general really ready to go, the better politicians would be.

These clowns should recognize that having a robust system in place is far superior to having a weak one in place. Good example is how delicately US presidents are treated. Any recent British PM would wipe the floor with any US President. Can anyone really imagine Pres. Obama in a small room, with 300 people against him, and 300 Democrats to his back, answering real questions, that demand accurate information, sharp repartee, and quick thinking?

You look a relative lightweight like PM Theresa May, and she absolutely destroyed her first PM Q's, and set the tone for her first few months. Sec. Clinton can't even face a lapdog press, let alone angry opposition MP's.

One of my biggest regrets is living my first 18+ years as an adult as a leftist, and not realizing how dramatically a competitive environment creates a sharper mind, a sharper body, and a better disposition. All those wasted years.

Can anyone really say that Trump is a worse candidate for having beaten 16 other Republicans to win the nomination? Sec. Clinton should have been out recruiting the strongest, most virile, most well-seasoned candidates to run against her in the primary. Instead, she and her "team" spent months scaring off anyone who looked like they might run a decent primary. Especially ironic since it was only her beat-down suffered at the hands of then Sen. Obama that inspired her to hire an election team that could actually win an election.

Anonymous Marduk July 28, 2016 2:02 PM  

So basically he's going independent so his voters wont vote Trump.

Anonymous Broken Arrow July 28, 2016 2:06 PM  

@4 I'd be surprised if Trump picked up much more than 5% of the Bernie supporters. The biggest threat to Hillary from them is that they stay home, which I believe many if not most will.

Anonymous Eduardo July 28, 2016 2:06 PM  

Nahh he is keeping the Narrative.

He is the underdog that was robbed out of the election

Blogger doofus July 28, 2016 2:10 PM  

Dh said:

"Can anyone really say that Trump is a worse candidate for having beaten 16 other Republicans to win the nomination? Sec. Clinton should have been out recruiting the strongest, most virile, most well-seasoned candidates to run against her in the primary. Instead, she and her "team" spent months scaring off anyone who looked like they might run a decent primary. Especially ironic since it was only her beat-down suffered at the hands of then Sen. Obama that inspired her to hire an election team that could actually win an election."

You are exactly right. In fact, I would actually say that the primary system worked exactly as designed for the Republicans this year. I would have preferred Scott Walker as the nominee, but there is no question at all that Trump is a much more effective candidate than any of the other fifteen people we had to choose from. Not only that, but he is the first candidate in a generation who may actually expand the base of the party, for which the party poohbas should be sitting on the floor and kissing his feet instead of stabbing him in the back. The DNC is likely to pay a high price for their favoritism towards Hillary Clinton. It is all so delicious.

Blogger Teri July 28, 2016 2:11 PM  

I just hope and pray the Bernie supporters in WA state sit this out. If they don't vote, we stand a chance at voting in a few Repubs at the state level. I am especially hoping to get a Repub Commissioner of Public Lands. DNR is out of control in this state.

OpenID denektenorsk July 28, 2016 2:14 PM  

Just goes to show you how unliked Rotten Clinton is even within her own party.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 2:23 PM  

> Looks like he's going to not.

He's getting up there in years, but he has a few more left. He doesn't want them cut short. He knows what happens to those who cross Hillary.

Blogger Salt July 28, 2016 2:24 PM  

I guess Bernie can now safely go walk around Ft. Marcy Park.

Blogger Pseudotsuga July 28, 2016 2:28 PM  

Teri wrote:I just hope and pray the Bernie supporters in WA state sit this out. If they don't vote, we stand a chance at voting in a few Repubs at the state level. I am especially hoping to get a Repub Commissioner of Public Lands. DNR is out of control in this state.
Teri, praying won't be enough, I am afraid. The Evergreen state BernBots that I know personally will hold their noses and vote for Hillary, because they could NEVER vote for that evil, racist, woman-hating Trump who stands against everything they love. All of them that I know are young college gradua....er, I mean, indoctrinated. It's also a peer group thing -- culture lies upstream from politics, and they have been inculturated in Washington State, where ultra-cool, ultra-liberal, mega-city Seattle always gets what it wants and the rest of the state (those knuckle dragging, regressive Rethuglicans) can go hang.
Bernie really represented what these folks feel they need, but Trump (to them) is everything they feel is bad. It's impossible to reason them out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, but I am not sure how rhetoric applied to these folks will change their minds.
One of them wept when Bush was elected, and she is sure she'll do the same if Trump is elected.

OpenID frankluke July 28, 2016 2:29 PM  

I guess Bernie can now safely go walk around Ft. Marcy Park.

I was thinking he could hit the gym again without worrying about the bars falling on him.

Blogger Diego Del Sol July 28, 2016 2:32 PM  

@12 Not only that, but he is the first candidate in a generation who may actually expand the base of the party, for which the party poohbas should be sitting on the floor and kissing his feet instead of stabbing him in the back.

I'm hoping that this both the birth of the American party and the death of the Republican party as VD alluded to yesterday. The poobahs aren't celebrating Trump because they're not personally benefiting from his success they would they would if a GOPe candidate were somehow swelling their ranks. So to hell with them and their party.

Blogger Alexander July 28, 2016 2:43 PM  

@18

The Clintons are very thorough. Not being in a gym is hardly a reason not to worry about falling bars.

Blogger Chris Lopes July 28, 2016 2:46 PM  

Bernie was never a Democrat, so going back to Independent is hardly a surprise. It also puts him in the position of avoiding being primaried, which is exactly how Clinton's Democrat party would have rewarded him.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 2:50 PM  

> The Evergreen state BernBots that I know personally will hold their noses and vote for Hillary, because they could NEVER vote for that evil, racist, woman-hating Trump who stands against everything they love.

We don't need them to vote for Trump. Only to either stay home or vote for Stein.

Blogger Timmy3 July 28, 2016 2:50 PM  

This is a complicated election. Nothing fits in the little boxes marked Democrat and Republican. This has become the war of the personalities... Clinton or Trump. Clinton tried hard to stay invisible to win. Trump tries hard to be everywhere. Being loud and obnoxious might just be enough for Trump to win.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 28, 2016 2:52 PM  

Bernie can spend more time helping look for those emails, #bringbackouremails

Blogger VoodooJock July 28, 2016 2:54 PM  

I kind of considered Bernie in the primary to be to the Dems what Ron Paul was to the Republicans. A more ideologically pure member of their party who was outside the mainstream. He and everyone else that isn't the witch were there much like the jury is in a communist court. The judgment's already been rendered, the trial's to give the appearance of legitimacy and to propagandize the results.

Blogger darkdoc July 28, 2016 2:58 PM  

How much money does he walk away with from donations?

Blogger dh July 28, 2016 2:58 PM  

I'm hoping that this both the birth of the American party and the death of the Republican party as VD alluded to yesterday. The poobahs aren't celebrating Trump because they're not personally benefiting from his success they would they would if a GOPe candidate were somehow swelling their ranks. So to hell with them and their party.

Other than a few diehards like Jonah Goldberg, who can't stand trump for ideological reasons, the very real reason why the establishment doesn't like Trump, and didn't like Trump, is because he is totally outside of the permanent party infrastructure.

In campaigns, there are a few things you alway have to have: pollsters, data people, mailing list people, ad buyers, consultants, handlers, etc.

Trump shunned every single one of those groups. Jeb bush raised and spent $150 million in a few months of active campaigning. Every single dollar went through the cleaners first - first from bundlers and fund raisers, who all got a taste. Then through consultants who help file the paperwork, who keep the records, who organize the funds, and then cut checks. To HR companies who staff up temporary staff, to leasing company who will lease desks, chairs, phones, computers and cellphones and real-estate. Transportation companies for air travel, bus travel, rental cars, and gas and maintenance. Then to advertising companies who write and produce advertisements. Then to ad-buyers who locate and purchase ad-inventory. Then to media consultants who track the impact of the ads, and make recommendations back to the buyers and the candidate. Then to media strategists who talk their way into candidate review meetings and editorial sessions and all that. And then to hotels for renting out entire floors of hotels for weeks at a time in NH and IA. To consultants who will tell you how to dress like a local and how to order your hot dog at the county fair.

Trump took all that, and flushed it down the toilet. This political class makes their money, every two years, taking 20, 30, 40% off the top. It's where the money goes. Everyone gets a taste, the circle always gets bigger, the operation more profitable.

In 2008, Pres. Obama spent $422.22 million on ad-buys. His buyers - David Plouffe and David Axelrod among them - typically skim 5-8%, and sometimes more, off that. That's over $30 million in profits before anything else. He spent $60 million on travel. $51 million in salaries. Mitt Romney spent smaller but still huge numbers the same exact way. Between the two "teams", well over $2B in total campaign spending, all raised from wealthy donors and millions of small donors milked again and again for funds. (See: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/index.php).

With 3 months to go, Mr. Trump has raised spent only $60M, and $49M of that is his own money.

He has literally cost the GOP establishment a billion dollars. If he wins, the Democrats will have to adjust, as especially big ticket donors will realize that the money is wasted.

Blogger Anchorman July 28, 2016 3:04 PM  

Would it have shocked anyone if he stopped being a "Democrat" immediately after taking office?*

Saw a great Twitter hashtag. Wonder how long until its nuked.

#JillNotHill

* Other than hell freezing over that he won, of course.

Blogger Anchorman July 28, 2016 3:05 PM  

How much money does he walk away with from donations?

And the "Book deal" advance, don't forget that little payoff.

Blogger lowercaseb July 28, 2016 3:09 PM  

Anchorman wrote:Saw a great Twitter hashtag. Wonder how long until its nuked.

#JillNotHill


better than #FeelTheJohnson...

Anonymous SciVo July 28, 2016 3:16 PM  

doofus wrote:Not only that, but he is the first candidate in a generation who may actually expand the base of the party, for which the party poohbas should be sitting on the floor and kissing his feet instead of stabbing him in the back.

That is one way that Reince Priebus has shown himself cannier than I expected. And could there be a more "stuffy aristocrat" name to associate the Republican brand with? He was a poor choice on that level, but I can't criticize too much, since he actually has enough common sense to be loyal to his organization.

That shouldn't be impressive. Simple loyalty has the unusual characteristic of being both a base instinct and a moral virtue, yet it's in surprisingly rare supply.

Blogger Lovekraft July 28, 2016 3:28 PM  

And Bern's gesture would likely be copied by millions of cowed democrats if only they weren't too afraid to declare it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 28, 2016 3:59 PM  

Meh, Bernie Sanders has been a Socialist for years. When he first won his Senate seat it was as an Independent, although he's pretty much always caucused with the Democrats.

If Gary Johnson had run in the GOP primary and gotten trounced, then announced that by golly he was gonna be a Libertarian (again) nobody would find that remarkable. This announcement by Red Bernie is the same.

No "there" there.

Blogger Anchorman July 28, 2016 4:01 PM  

Jill, or more exactly, the Green Party are the vote stealers for Hillary.

She won cred on the Left (I work next to a die hard Lefty and have one in my family) when she offered her nomination to Bernie before he sold out.

Now that Bernie betrayed his followers, she has a doubleplusgood ration of cred, because she showed her commitment to "the cause" and selflessness.

Anonymous Euryale July 28, 2016 4:11 PM  

Sorry to interrupt but here's the French government's strategy re: terrorism https://twitter.com/deltakyklos/status/758726539018117125

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 28, 2016 4:25 PM  

You could pick any ideological spectrum and the game theory of American politics would produce the same result.

Blogger CM July 28, 2016 4:35 PM  

#FeeltheBern to #FeeltheJohnson

Anyone else think they got the order wrong?

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 28, 2016 4:35 PM  

Bernie's run was always a protest candidacy. At 74 it was last significant thing anyway.

Although, he'll probably stay in the Senate for another ten years or so.

He only started to half way take things seriously when he saw how much support he had and the dream bit him.

Even then he never jumped in with both feet.

Blogger GracieLou July 28, 2016 4:42 PM  

I haven't been watching DemCon because I'm not a masochist, but have been catching bits here and there, and my God what a gross, viscerally unappealing cluster. It's themes are tired and old and way over-played.

It feels like a muscular dystrophy telethon with pedophiles.

The Dunham Horror and a woman screaming proud of committing perinatal infant dismemberment. Mothers who did such a shitty job of parenting their kids died in the line of crime. A stalker husband talking about his "big catch". A VP so crooked he pretends to be straight.

The Paul Simon thing. Watch it, if you haven't already. Of course it's horrible be prepared for that, but you'll glimpse something. You'll see a rheumy old man trying to be relevant like a '40's crooner circa 1973. You'll see old folk with diabeetus holding hands and swaying, desperate for the glory days. You'll see young people pull away. You'll see... I hope I'm right about this...the first rattles...of the death of Boomer Cool.

Blogger Alexander July 28, 2016 4:44 PM  

So what happened was.

Clinton: I'll give you a bigger platform for three months, and in exchange you'll provide me with the cover that I'm not running a coronation.

Bernie: Deal!

Then Bernie - for want of a better word - went and jewed Hillary. But Bernie always knew he could only get so far, it was the goy he berned that thought they were really going somewhere.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 28, 2016 4:45 PM  

@7 Gaiseric

He was thrust unexpectedly into the national limelight and thrust to the front of a parade that he had no idea how to lead or where to take it, and I think he'd love nothing more than to fade back into his prior life.
---

Bernie is a new generation Forest Gump

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 4:46 PM  

> The Paul Simon thing.

When he was a little boy, and the Devil would call his name...

He took the offer.

Anonymous BluePony July 28, 2016 4:46 PM  

"The rhetoric on r/politics and /S4p (not representative I know) is "even with as scary as Trump is we can't vote Hillary."

I've lent r/The_Donald a hand here and there in assuaging Bernie supporter's fears, but it's an uphill battle with some. We have gotten a good number of neutral to even enthusiastic converts, though. Small potatoes to the world outside Reddit, but, what the hell. It's a chance to put some persuasion skills to the test.

Anonymous Frost July 28, 2016 4:48 PM  

"I think we can safely count out Bernie for any serious campaigning on the Lizard Queen's behalf."

Evidence the writer can't read.

Blogger Gordon July 28, 2016 4:50 PM  

@35: That was their strategy for the Palestinians, back when they were the bad boys on the block. Buy 'em off. It worked, pretty much.

I'm not so sure it will work with so many potential ISIS recruits actually in France.

Blogger kudzu bob July 28, 2016 4:50 PM  

@27.

Excellent comment. Put the GOPe's furious reaction to Trump into perspective.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 5:01 PM  

> Evidence the writer can't read.

Yes, it is evidence you can't read. But we already knew that. You didn't have to admit it publicly.

Blogger lowercaseb July 28, 2016 5:07 PM  

dh wrote:

He has literally cost the GOP establishment a billion dollars. If he wins, the Democrats will have to adjust, as especially big ticket donors will realize that the money is wasted.


Man...this is some serious education. I'd love to see VD have you host a brainstorm to give us an expanded version of goes on behind the scenes of the election. I'd pay to attend that.

Blogger Harry Cassandra July 28, 2016 5:10 PM  

Off topic, but this amuses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVw9YdP1O-0

Outspoken anti-gun activist Matt Damon (star of multiple action films) and hugely outspoken advocate against Trump, is in a movie called The Great Wall, where he plays a mercenary that helps the Chinese keep out a bunch of orcs. Apparently building a great wall is fine so long as they're defending the Chinese culture (one of the most intolerant countries on the planet, I might add) against metaphorical aliens...but, of course, they still need a white liberal to lead them.
But you never know, maybe he'll realise partway through that the 'monsters' are actually misunderstood migrants and that the Lao Trump Su Chinese emperor is actually the bad guy...Somehow I doubt it. Nah, rather, the white liberal is going to be the one to save the day, with help from the 'you go grlll' female warrior princess...which I suppose is supposed to be a slash against patriarchal monarchs, but again, why do they need Matt Damon to teach them about feminism?
I don't watch movies anymore for the recycled plots. Rather, I am entertained by the nonsense politics.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 28, 2016 5:11 PM  

@27, Yep. That's been clear from the start, but too many try to judge Trump's "establishment-ness" based on his ideology. That's not the point. If you make a living being a Republican, then if a Bush or a Cruz runs and wins, you still have your job, and maybe even get a patronage job in D.C. If they run and lose, you still have your job to get ready for the next election.

But if Trump runs and is the nominee, who knows? You may not get hired during this campaign, and you may get replaced or made irrelevant afterwards if he wins it all. That's what the establishment's reaction was about, not Trump's politics.

Blogger Unknown July 28, 2016 6:42 PM  

I hope Trump takes of advantage of this. Tack populist. Vow to dismantle the Wall street parasites, raise the minimum wage, get tough with the Asian industrial parasites who siphon jobs, raise taxes enormously on the 1%.

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Anonymous BGKB July 28, 2016 7:16 PM  

Bernie would have beat HilLIARy if not for the super delegates. Its how they think they will still be able to rule over 3rd world masses.

The Clintons are very thorough. Not being in a gym is hardly a reason not to worry about falling bars.

Not getting on a plane with 50 women raped by Bill C doesn't mean your body wont be found in the wreckage.

OT: French will no longer produce names or pictures of moslems to keep people from noticing https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/27/french-media-to-stop-publishing-photos-and-names-of-terrorists?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1469641380

Blogger Mountain Man July 28, 2016 7:28 PM  

Outside of this presidential race,he's actually never been a Demonrat . The roughly 35 years he's plagued VT he's been an "Independent" but caucases with the Loser party D.

Anonymous rubberducky July 28, 2016 7:29 PM  

I've always said that Sanders is a Democrat. People say, "No, he's a socialist." And more recently, "No, he's a Democratic Socialist." As if any of those distinctions matter.

Sometimes a self-professed Vermont Democrat would try to run against Sanders. They would soon discover to their horror that the apparatus of the national Democrat Party would be arrayed against them, not for them.

The DNC always supported Bernie until this election. The women running the place were going to drag Cankles over the line at any cost.

Now Bernie's back to what he's always been. A Democrat who will lie even about that.

Blogger Mountain Man July 28, 2016 7:30 PM  

@ 44
Theres a gamma among us !

Blogger Nick D July 28, 2016 8:28 PM  

Frost is a gamma and a troll. But I repeat myself

Anonymous Jack Amok July 28, 2016 11:27 PM  

The Evergreen state BernBots that I know personally...

The ones I know have said things like "well, I guess we have to vote for Clinton, but..."

Except of course for the Ukes. They want Hillary to go to war with Putin.

Hey Rolf, I'll shoot you an email someday soon! It's just been busy.

Blogger Thucydides July 29, 2016 12:03 AM  

Bernie should have considered becoming the nominee for the Green Party.

Of course for epic level trolling, Donald Trump should challenge Garry Johnson and Jill Stein to a televised debate. Regardless of how well or poorly Trump does in the debate, it still suddenly elevates credible political alternatives to the Democrats to millions of otherwise clueless voters.

If only.....

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 29, 2016 4:28 AM  

Hillary is going all in on the Neoconnery courtship. That's where the corporate money is. Mark my words.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 29, 2016 4:32 AM  

@59 Thucydides

I was commenting elsewhere about that. Donald Trump should support Jill Stein and Gary Johnson being included in the debates when they inevitably push for it. Hillary will nix it and he will look magnanimous while she will look to be thwarting democracy again.

PPS I wonder when the voter fraud DNC leaks from Assange are going to drop.

Wikileaks is destroying the Democrats and Hillary Clinton. Ha!

Anonymous SciVo July 29, 2016 5:43 AM  

@59 Thucydides & @61 EscapeVelocity

I've been saying something similar: that if Donald doesn't like Hillary's terms of debate, he can just hold one with Gary and Jill, and Hillary can join or not. And the more I think about it, the more I like the idea.

1. I didn't realize at first that Gary is pulling more from Hillary than Donald, but it's postdictable. The civil libertarians are wandering unhomed, shut out of almost every leftist institution by the SocJus thought police -- even finding their eponymous ACLU an uncomfortable battlefield.

2. Trump has shown a facility for handling attacks from several directions at once; I didn't watch the Democrat debates, but I didn't hear anything similar about Rodan.

3. The compare-and-contrast with Gary and Jill would make it that much harder for Hillary to disguise her intrusive authoritarian global crony socialism.

4. Like spotlights shining from different angles, the different cognitive perspectives on Trump would also make it harder for lies to stick. I think something like that was at play in the primaries, and if so it would be good to reprise.

Anonymous mature craig July 30, 2016 9:10 AM  

I like when she says if yadda yadda yadda then dddeeeeaaallll mmmeeee iiinnnnn!!! Thats wjere her experience shows

Anonymous mature craig July 30, 2016 9:19 AM  

It kind of suggests that the dems have money behind them and that.the repubs shouldnt raise the stakes

Anonymous mature craig July 30, 2016 9:56 AM  

Also to mr Sanders represents the epitome of lies deception cheating and evil and eberything tbat is wrong with this country the lrss of betnie sanders and people like him the better shame on anyone thay goves that dirty evil man a voice

Anonymous mature craig July 30, 2016 10:19 AM  

Anyway its not worth getting upset about. God is in control



Anonymous mature craig July 30, 2016 10:21 AM  

Speaking of Jewish men u know who I really like that guy on CNN last name Lord. The more people like him in this world the better

Anonymous mature craig July 30, 2016 10:25 AM  

And its wrong of me to make ad hominem attacks i should explain why i feel that way ...it has to do with the minimum wage raising comments. The pretending that govts and corps are not in debt. And all that

Anonymous mature craig July 30, 2016 10:31 AM  

Basically he preaches tyranny in every form totally contrary to the ideals the country was founded upon

Anonymous mature craig July 30, 2016 10:39 AM  

Also evil is too strong a word my bad...i dont know him that well..maybe behind close doors hes the nicest guy ever

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