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Tuesday, July 26, 2016

The Gold Timers

Far too many Baby Boomers didn't give a damn about their own children, let alone their nieces, nephews, and grandchildren. We can hardly expect them to care about the fate of Western civilization after they're dead, gone, and presumably, burning in Hell:
It's ironic that we spend our youth wanting to be older, and our middle age wanting to stop the clock. But I'm not going to wallow. On the contrary. For my birthday, I'm treating myself to a Vivienne Westwood frock, a haircut by Nicky Clarke and dinner at one of London's finest restaurants, Le Gavroche.

I'm not wealthy. I'm just representative of the so-called 'Gold Timer' generation - people in their 60s who are spending money now, rather than leaving it in their wills....

Surely I needed to leave my house to the next generation of my family? I surprised myself by my adamant response, but then I began asking myself why.

My parents, who were married in the Forties, believed in leaving as large a legacy to their four children as possible and, once they'd reared us, they continued in their thrifty ways, refusing to spend their savings on luxuries they deserved.

Growing up in Somerset, it was a necessity to have holiday jobs as a teenager. After my father's death, my mother took up the mantle of austerity, despite constant urging by us children to spend. By then, we were earning far more between us than our parents could have dreamt of.

My mother, Jean, did dip into her savings, but only in a modest way; she took a coach trip to Paris and bought a Chanel lipstick - I still wear Chanel lipstick in her memory. I admired both my parents tremendously, but so much has changed from their generation to mine. My siblings all have comfortable lives, and their children are unlikely to need a helping hand from Auntie. Unlike them, I never married and I don't have children.

I'd always thought I would leave everything to my half-a-dozen wonderful nephews and nieces. But now, suddenly, all the guilt I felt about spending my own inheritance has gone.
That's amazing. Suddenly all the guilt I felt about euthanasia for the elderly has gone too!

At the very least, it's a convincing case for eliminating Social Security, shutting down all the bankrupt pension plans, and letting millions of literally useless old Boomers rely upon the children they didn't have.

Fortunately, their sense of narcissism and entitlement is such that they can be relied upon to self-euthanize once they can't afford to eat in fine restaurants anymore.

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Blogger The Other Robot July 26, 2016 11:11 AM  

Well, we can rely on the #MuslimBeheaders to deal with that problem for us.

Blogger Student in Blue July 26, 2016 11:15 AM  

once they'd reared us, they continued in their thrifty ways, refusing to spend their savings on luxuries they deserved.

refusing to spend their savings onluxuries they deserved

luxuries they deserved

If there were any phrase more telling of their nature, I cannot think of any.

Blogger praetorian July 26, 2016 11:17 AM  

Sin brings its own punishment along with it.

She will die alone and miserable, occasionally being spoon fed slop by an indifferent haji until the government checks run out.

Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 11:18 AM  

@1

Nice idea. Don't think it actually works that way tho

Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 11:19 AM  

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Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 11:20 AM  

@3

Then be eaten by her cats

Anonymous Smouse July 26, 2016 11:20 AM  

Well she has no children or husband to leave her money to. Let her enjoy her twilight years in peace!!

If she had children, the picture would be entirely different. A daughter is not the same as a niece.



Anonymous Ras al Ghul July 26, 2016 11:23 AM  

As student in blue pointed out, there is that word "deserved" again.

I hate that word when its uttered and the people that utter it because it is always used to justify selfish and mean spirited behavior.

Anonymous Steve July 26, 2016 11:23 AM  

it's a convincing case for eliminating Social Security, shutting down all the bankrupt pension plans, and letting millions of literally useless old Boomers rely upon the children they didn't have.

Absolutely. This is inevitable. We're not monsters though. There will always be a bowl of gruel and a cot in a homeless shelter for the saddest cases.

BTW, the "article" is just an advert for "equity release".

Anonymous NorthernHamlet July 26, 2016 11:24 AM  

Jesus.

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 11:25 AM  

eh, I don't think there's any obligation to pass on money.

descendents should earn their own.

Blogger Human Animal July 26, 2016 11:27 AM  

We're talking about a generation that is loyal to television.

BTW, the "article" is just an advert for "equity release".

I was reading ads for the Afghan invasion back in 2000.

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 11:28 AM  

eh, I don't think there's any obligation to pass on money.

You're a dyscivilizational moron. Where the fuck do you think civilization comes from?

It's the result of repeated generations passing on more to their children than they received from their parents.

Your opinion isn't merely stupid, it is reprehensibly stupid.

Anonymous p-dawg July 26, 2016 11:28 AM  

@andon That really depends upon your religion, does it not? If you are a follower of the Hebrew Scripture, there is absolutely an obligation to pass on an inheritance (to your children). If you're a Unitarian Universalist, there isn't. Etc.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 July 26, 2016 11:30 AM  

Don't know about the Brits, but in the US the boomers are going to need to save that house in order to turn it over to the nursing home facilities.

Its becoming the case that you don't get a spot in the nursing home unless you can demonstrate the funds to pay for 5 years. They are basically betting you die before you convert to medicaid on them. And many of them want cash in advance.

Childless Gold Timers, better hope the carebots get developed in the next 10 years because otherwise they will be dying in the streets.

Blogger Verne July 26, 2016 11:31 AM  

Western culture sat be doomed. But this old bitty is going to die a lonely woman. Anyone living only for today with no thought of their family is doomed to a sad end. Someday sitting alone in a room, she probably won't even have a cat. She is going to realize that her life was a total waste, it meant nothing. No one cares that she is dying.

Big strong healthy me, only 59 years old. I had a heart attack 2 weeks ago. They had to kick the family out of the room, because there were so many, Grandchildren, my kids, my wife and more. My life feels full. Though they tell me I'm going to be here a lot longer. I'm satisfied ether way. There is no greater joy than being surrounded by your family.

Anonymous #8601 July 26, 2016 11:33 AM  

@10 Jesus

That is exactly Who this woman needs.

Anonymous Steve July 26, 2016 11:33 AM  


There is no greater joy than being surrounded by your family.


There's no wealth like children. And no poverty like loneliness.

Anonymous JN July 26, 2016 11:34 AM  

Suddenly all the guilt I felt about euthanasia for the elderly has gone too!

Semi-related. Playing Watchdogs. Random NPC is listed as "Euthanasia supporter" or something. She sneezes. I shoot her. She would have wanted it that way.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 11:38 AM  

The original Social Security was a large family, at least one child would take care of the parents when they got elderly. The accumulated wealth was used so they wouldn't be too much of a burden. There was an inter-generational contract. There were widows that were childless or estranged and the churches overburdened when FDR stepped in. That planted a bomb that went off in the 1960s. And the wealth of the 30 and out retirement even for blue-collar workers so they could go on a long vacation.

We are lonely and complain about the lack of community, but demand our independence.

Now with the contract broken, many assume there is no obligation to pass money - but it works both ways.

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 11:39 AM  

I just told someone about Huguette Clark the other day. A copper heiress who until she was in her 80s had a will to give money to the charity her family set up(with her being the last heir to influence it) & her relatives. She disappeared for over 20 years while no relative could find her. Her jewish Lawyer,a jewish sex offender accountant, and a jewish private nurse (who was the witness for all documents, including the one that gave a sex offender permission to be part of her estate that would otherwise be legally barred) were the only people who knew where she was, in a private hospital room under a fake name, never leaving. After she was disappeared she gave fortunes to the 3 jews and their families enough she could have hired 100 mercenaries to carry her about for the rest of her life. Her will signed after she was disappeared gave over $40million to the jewish nurse, but not a penny for the charity her family set up.

that they can be relied upon to self-euthanize once they can't afford to eat in fine restaurants anymore,

Reverse mortgage for more than the house is worth then run up credit cards. Its important to note that Obamacare is designed to take healthcare money from old Asians/whites and give it to illegals.

Blogger JP July 26, 2016 11:42 AM  

And when the money's gone and she's still alive, would she be able to get a job as a dishwasher in a chinese restaurant?

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 11:42 AM  

Ok I looked at the article, she looks like one of those old women who takes trips to Africa so they can still get sex.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra July 26, 2016 11:42 AM  

Many boomers are failed dogged contenders of social dominance that inflicts pain - I am for or ask the Lord Jesus to take dad home from his suffering, I'm daft, deft and bereft in that I now request a mercy from our Lord. dad wants to die to join his wife, our dearly beloved mother, but the Lord keeps dad here a beautiful father is still here yet suffering.

Moving along the baby boomer phenomena continues, they or some or most dont want us to have anything, torment the weakest like me and I observe the mil'lens are going usher in doctors assisted death. Economics often dictates life and often many are fed up with boomers (NABLT) but the harm they inflicted upon gen x is surreal cultural decline, purposefully propaganda and their complete narcissism pales beyond any adult with no siblings.

I fully suggest boomers were GMO'ed, RX'ed, brain damaged and are cucked. Many boomers mean harm to the younger gens and some inflict harm upon us.

Blogger SDaly July 26, 2016 11:45 AM  

My baby-boomer mother-in-law has decided to leave her house (one of her largest assets) to an wealthy private school, grandchildren be damned.

Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 11:45 AM  

@tz

Psychological research indicates that the sooner parents institutionalize children, the sooner children institutionalize parents.

Reap what you sow.

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 26, 2016 11:45 AM  

In the words of John Adams: "I must study Politicks and War that my sons may have liberty to study Mathematicks and Philosophy. My sons ought to study Mathematicks and Philosophy, Geography, natural History, Naval Architecture, navigation, Commerce and Agriculture, in order to give their Children a right to study Painting, Poetry, Musick, Architecture, Statuary, Tapestry and Porcelaine. Their descendants, of course, will at last be free to study themselves, and then die alone in poverty, a ward of the state, and ignorant of all these other things, having personally seen to their destruction."

Did I say John Addams? I meant Morticia.

Blogger Happy Housewife July 26, 2016 11:48 AM  

My God fearing, establishment Republican dad has repeatedly said that he plans to leave nothing behind for his five kids. I love my folks, and baby boomers individually may be very pleasant, but as a whole, they are all the same.

He's joked before that we should put him down before he gets old. Well, he's old now. Maybe we'll start seriously agreeing next time he suggests it.

Anonymous Rolf July 26, 2016 11:48 AM  

A great way to be no fun at a party is to point out to a person with no children who is criticizing the children of others that the childless have no stake in the future, and are amazingly selfish: they not only do not incur the costs of child-rearing for their own, they then demand that others both incur child-rearing costs cost AND pay for the childless person's old age.

"But they paid in!" the childless squawk.
And that money is LONG gone.

"But the world can't support infinite children!" they say.
Not asking for infinite, just enough to support yourself.

"But we deserve it!"
Oh, really? Did you inherit a world made the day before you were born, or did it have the accumulated wealth of generations?

Economic reality is a stone cold master that does not care if you don't understand it or like it.

Blogger Clay, Bill Clay July 26, 2016 11:51 AM  

Solid post, Man. Dark, but called for. You crack me up.

Anonymous X July 26, 2016 11:53 AM  

"Fortunately, their sense of narcissism and entitlement is such that they can be relied upon to self-euthanize once they can't afford to eat in fine restaurants anymore."

The ones in Merica do the same thing. They will pay with their souls.

Blogger Orville July 26, 2016 11:54 AM  

Fuck SSA. I would love nothing better for my son but that he wouldn't have to pay 15% of his income to SSA. Yes, he's self employed, and no, I don't ever plan to retire. Retirement is for fools.

Best Tools For Men

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 26, 2016 11:59 AM  

The frustrating part being that at 53, I've just put $40K into the education of one niece, and am getting ready to put the same into another. Math and Nursing students, FWIW.

Blogger Rantor July 26, 2016 11:59 AM  

How sad. Despite some typical and poor life choices, a sense of family responsibility still exists with most of my family. Mother (Silent) and Aunt (Boomer) take care of the family's investments and plan on how to hand it down to the next generation. It doesn't make us rich, but provides an income supplement that is helpful. Perhaps the landed gentry of old had a point. If you want income from the land, you must take care of it. If you sold it and squandered the money, well, I doubt our property would sell for more than five years of income. So if you can just see 10 years ahead, you would never take the short term gain.

We need popular democracy: voting only for those who are over 21, land owners, and not receiving government assistance. The ants must insulate themselves from the locusts.

Blogger Mike Q. July 26, 2016 12:01 PM  

A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children, but the sinners wealth is laid up for the righteous. - Proverbs 13:22

Anonymous Jack Amok July 26, 2016 12:01 PM  

I'd always thought I would leave everything to my half-a-dozen wonderful nephews and nieces

So, she failed at the only really essential job a woman has in life? And now wants to lecture the rest of humanity.

Anonymous VFM #7916 July 26, 2016 12:09 PM  

The Shiv critically pierces!

This kind of news simply makes my multigenerational farm operation look all the better.

Anonymous VFM #7916 July 26, 2016 12:11 PM  

@31

Get a job with a state or local government with a decently funded PERS system and an operative Section 218 agreement.

No FICA tax then.

Blogger Aaron Kulkis July 26, 2016 12:13 PM  

@2 SIB

Indeed, the advertising people figured that out 20 years ago.

When the prime-marketing audience for luxury items were Silents, the advertisers used variations on the phrase: "Because you've EARNED IT."

Once they started focussing on Baby Boomers, that was quickly changed to, "Because you DESERVE it."

Anonymous Jim Scrummy July 26, 2016 12:13 PM  

Ahh, the mostly worthless boomer generation. Thump thump thump...nope...my GAS meter is still pegged a zero concerning this worthless generation. I've only met a handful of boomers that are actually decent human beings. Most are just sucking up my precious oxygen.

Blogger Lovekraft July 26, 2016 12:14 PM  

Ignore the boomers. Let there voices echo off the indifference. They want validation and attention. They didn't earn it.

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 12:16 PM  

13. Blogger VD July 26, 2016 11:28 AM
eh, I don't think there's any obligation to pass on money.

You're a dyscivilizational moron.


could be

Where the fuck do you think civilization comes from?

not from inheriting, but then again im prob not the one who has a big fat inheritance waiting for me

Your opinion isn't merely stupid, it is reprehensibly stupid.

im not a writer but "reprehensibly stupid" sounds like poor word choice

Blogger Gaiseric July 26, 2016 12:17 PM  

Aaron Kulkis wrote:@2 SIB

Indeed, the advertising people figured that out 20 years ago.

When the prime-marketing audience for luxury items were Silents, the advertisers used variations on the phrase: "Because you've EARNED IT."

Once they started focussing on Baby Boomers, that was quickly changed to, "Because you DESERVE it."

What's it going to be for the Millenials? "Because you WANT it and can't imagine NOT HAVING EVERYTHING YOU WANT!"

Blogger Timmy3 July 26, 2016 12:18 PM  

Women should save and make it last. They can live longest. Men live up to 80s. Women up to 90s. Women also likely to not work as long as men. I have a mixed reaction to owning things and passing them on. Money should be spent. Anything left over should be passed along. I heard of stories where old folks refused medical care because they want to die and not be a burden on one's children. That's even worse. Dying from cancer and not telling anyone of their medical condition is just passing along the guilt. It's okay to spend a little on occasion, but enjoying the fruits of one's labor after 60 isn't so great so why not enjoy it while you still can. I doubt I will enjoy a big expensive steak when I can barely chew.

Blogger S1AL July 26, 2016 12:19 PM  

Andon - How did Newton claim to have achieved so much? Thus is civilization.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx July 26, 2016 12:19 PM  

Rolf wrote:A great way to be no fun at a party is to point out to a person with no children who is criticizing the children of others that the childless have no stake in the future, and are amazingly selfish: they not only do not incur the costs of child-rearing for their own, they then demand that others both incur child-rearing costs cost AND pay for the childless person's old age.

Throughout their working lives, childless people are paying to rear other people's children.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 26, 2016 12:20 PM  

Being a patriarch is more than just breeding. It's about taking responsibility for those under your protection. Duty comes first.

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 12:20 PM  

16. Blogger Verne July 26, 2016 11:31 AM

There is no greater joy than being surrounded by your family.


unless your family is rotten

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 12:21 PM  

fun at a party is to point out to a person with no children who is criticizing the children of others that the childless have no stake in the future

I heard a femcunt tell a little boy who had been hit in the face "you shouldn't cry I get punched in the face every day & I don't cry". I immediately used army command voice to drown out the conversations of 20+ others "You look pretty good for someone who gets punched in the face every day, I had a roommate in the army who was in so many bar fights he could push his nose flat against his face & he could go weeks without being punched in the face". Turned out she took kickboxing classes twice a week & was not interested in the offer for the kids family and me to show up to see her take a punch from me with pads on.

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 26, 2016 12:22 PM  

Once they started focussing on Baby Boomers, that was quickly changed to, "Because you DESERVE it."

X-er here. Ours should be "Because...FUCK IT."

Blogger Anchorman July 26, 2016 12:22 PM  

If she had children, the picture would be entirely different. A daughter is not the same as a niece.

Here's the thing.

She expects her nieces and nephews to work and be taxed so she can continue to live her life very comfortably. She doesn't care about their lives at all.

Further, if she fell on hard times or to ill health, I'd wager she'd be the type to scold the younger generation if the same nieces and nephews didn't immediately step in to help the old maid.

In the end, she's taken what her parents gave her (those parents surely wanted it passed down the line and not squandered - that's how they lived) and she's decided to piss it all away.

Piss away their virtues. Piss away their culture of selflessness. Piss away their savings meant to draw people out of their certain lot in life to provide them something better.

She and her type, utterly selfish after receiving so much, are the problem and cannot die soon enough.

Blogger J A Baker July 26, 2016 12:23 PM  

"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it!"
Will Munny, Unforgiven.

Blogger Robert What? July 26, 2016 12:25 PM  

NABALT. I am a Boomer and making sure my son is financially ok after I am gone is one of my top priorities. Now whether he appreciates it or not is another story. After all, he is a Millennial. But you don't take care of your kids for the thank you's.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 26, 2016 12:29 PM  

If she had children, the picture would be entirely different. A daughter is not the same as a niece.


Bullshit.

My mother shot through my father's inheritance over the course of thirty years. She was quite proud of the fact that she was leaving nothing behind for me or my siblings.

Quite self righteously so. Someone had told her that she had earned the right to be selfish.

She told us so repeatedly.

Blogger J A Baker July 26, 2016 12:29 PM  

They're lucky they don't get what they really deserve.

Blogger Anchorman July 26, 2016 12:29 PM  

Throughout their working lives, childless people are paying to rear other people's children.

And receive security, paved roads, fresh fruit and vegetables from other people's children.

What's your point?

Anonymous TLM July 26, 2016 12:31 PM  

1. My boomer mother is a few weeks away from having access to her private pension/retirement plan. She has been planning for months now on exactly how she is going to piss it all away on shit she doesn't need. It is sad, but infuriating.

2. My local politicians, news, etc are always discussing the state worker's 'pension' crisis. It's as if Daniel Boone & Simon Kenton came here to discover this land solely for the purpose of creating a cushy and outrageous taxpayer funded retirement system for future govt employees. That's what they believe the purpose of the citizen should be. Equally infuriating.

Anonymous Random July 26, 2016 12:36 PM  

X-er here. Ours should be "Because...FUCK IT."

You're close. Gen X's motto is:

Because FUCK YOU, that's why.

Anonymous fop July 26, 2016 12:36 PM  

ADB.

Another dumb broad.

Blogger Johnny July 26, 2016 12:36 PM  

It is going to hit the fan in Europe before here. Think a bunch of ethnic types are going to want to fund a lot of aging white people? Seems unlikely. In the old USSR, when the place went to hell, the inflation of the currency cut the pensions to almost nothing. The few lucky survivors who won WWII got their pensions smashed in their old age.

Anonymous TE Lawrence July 26, 2016 12:36 PM  

@andon
"im not a writer"
Yes, we can tell from your unfamiliarity with things like punctuation and capitalization.

Anonymous Rosalys July 26, 2016 12:37 PM  

Worse are the parents who foolishly squander all their money on themselves long before they die, and then rely on their children to take care of them.

Blogger Jakeithus July 26, 2016 12:37 PM  

If she had children, the picture would be entirely different. A daughter is not the same as a niece.

A few years ago when my grandmother was in the hospital, my wife went and visited her just about every day. A few weeks later, we received an anonymous cheque for a decent amount of money. Due to the timing of everything, my guess to this day is that it came from my rather well off Aunt and Uncle. What would have been one more trip to them was a huge economic windfall for us and helped set us up financially to this day. If I'm right, we might not be their children, but in my opinion this is how family is supposed to work, and like others have said this is what builds civilizations worth living in.

But spending everything you have on yourself, family be damned, is a fine choice too. Hope that works out for her.

Blogger Aaron Kulkis July 26, 2016 12:38 PM  

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Blogger Cail Corishev July 26, 2016 12:38 PM  

It's not just about inheritance. It's about being in a position to help your offspring get a start in life and get through tough spots, and having their comfort and support when you get older in return. It's about being involved in your grandkids' lives in a way that they'll remember you as more than a gift delivery service. If you don't have kids of your own, then it applies to other family members or friends.

The person who laughs about "spending the inheritance" probably isn't doing much of the other things in that paragraph either.

Blogger Aaron Kulkis July 26, 2016 12:38 PM  

@54

"They're lucky they don't get what they really deserve."

Hard times are coming -- EVEN IF Trump is outlandishly successful....this society's economic ship has a LOT of momentum, and a gigantic turn radius -- and over 50% of bulkheads have been removed and other structural members have been sawed down to the bare minimum, so that the senior officers can enjoy bonfires -- ... on the wooden deck.

You don't need to be a weatherman to see which way the wind's blowing.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 12:42 PM  

J A Baker wrote:They're lucky they don't get what they really deserve.
All of us are lucky we don't get what we really deserve.

Anonymous Rolf July 26, 2016 12:43 PM  

@45 - Yes, but not NEARLY as much time or money as the family raising them. Raising kids well is a very expensive proposition. Hearing a childless person complain about all their property tax that goes to education is annoying when I pay the same property tax, and the food bills, the medical bills, and all the rest of the bills. Then my children will be expected to support the childless elderly as well as myself.

It would be a fun argument to watch if someone proposed changing the SS payout formula so it accounted for the number of children / grandchildren you have working and paying taxes into the system. No kids, low payout.

Anonymous Headcannon July 26, 2016 12:49 PM  

It's disgusting watching the elderly act like children. Pathetic.

Blogger tuberman July 26, 2016 12:50 PM  

Well, there are millions of Boomers who have given much to later generations.

I personally have mentored dozens of boys and several girls in math, reading, logic and even sports. I am very Pro- Western Civilization, and very pro-younger generations. Your anti-Boomer rant is out-of-line Rhetoric. Most of the people I know in the Mid-West care about there children and grandchildren.

The Leftist education system is in part also the reason for the disaffection between generations, as it constantly blames the older generations for all the problems, as you do also.

You seem to agree with Oprah Winfrey that the older generation needs to die off for the revolution to begin.Trump

Yet, the older generation were often the first people who "got" Vdare, and people like Ann Coulter.



Anonymous Viking July 26, 2016 12:50 PM  

She has wonderful nieces and nephews. To bad she she couldn't see far enough to give the same gift to her siblings. To bad she was unwilling to give those wonderful nieces and nephews a few more cousins to stand by them.

Even when we do decide to have any children at all it is often only one or two and they are often regarded more like pets than people. A product for our own self-fulfillment. "We plan to have two, a boy and a girl so we can have one of each." Oh, you want one of each? What about those very children? Why should they be denied the same "one of each?" That is, why shouldn't those children have both brothers and sisters. So few ever consider that you have to have at least four to give each of your children at least one sister and one brother.

Do something wonder for your children, skip few foreign holidays and give them some siblings. Teach them to do the same and you will also end up give your grandchildren the cousins that should be every child's birthright.

Blogger dienw July 26, 2016 12:53 PM  

@42
What's it going to be for the Millenials?

"Look, Pokemon!"

Blogger Chris Mallory July 26, 2016 12:55 PM  

I don't support euthanasia, but medical science has gone too far. Maybe keeping people alive into their 80s and 90s isn't the best thing for society. I see this now with my in-laws. Both are little more than inanimate objects, kept alive by massive amounts of money. Even my wife has said she sometimes wishes they would pass on, since their lives now are nothing other than eating, sleeping and defecating. Minds are nearly gone, they aren't the people they were when she was growing up or even the people they were 10 years ago. Quality has been replaced by quantity. All of us seem to be poorer for it.

OpenID peppermintfrosted July 26, 2016 12:55 PM  

They got that money by selling us out.

Gas the boomers, generation war now!

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx July 26, 2016 12:59 PM  

Anchorman wrote:Throughout their working lives, childless people are paying to rear other people's children.

And receive security, paved roads, fresh fruit and vegetables from other people's children.

What's your point?


"Rear children" meaning while the child is non-productive, a net economic liability.

Childless people are "other's people's children" as well, so your argument is a net zero. Workers exchange on a more or less quid pro quo basis, regardless of whether or not they are parents. Children (non-working) don't pave the roads.

Reduce this to simple cases, like the village on the island. Maybe there's only one father, with so many mothers tending so many children; the rest are childless. With only one father there is not enough economic power (work) to keep the children fed. The childless have to work to help feed the children.

Blogger Human Animal July 26, 2016 12:59 PM  

Deserve

Someone at the DNC was saying people don't get what they earn, but "what they believe they deserve." Couldn't tell if they were referencing Alinsky or BLM.

Anonymous Camilla Cameo July 26, 2016 12:59 PM  

Thank you for this. As a probable old maid, I felt I am failing mankind. While that still may be so, this bad example shows that I still have a duty to leave an inheritance to my nephew if I can.

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Blogger dienw July 26, 2016 1:05 PM  

Boomer artist. Went bankrupt caring for my elderly mother; while my considerably better off brothers admitted that their wives would divorce them if they took in their mother. When I had to move, none of my brothers wanted any of my forty plus years of artwork I had stored; so, I lost it: if the storage company didn't toss it, the work is probably floating around south Jersey by now. All my remaining artwork and that has yet to be done will go to a good friend, not to my nieces and nephews (Millennials) who have as much regard for art as a cow staring at a knot hole.

Blogger psychegram July 26, 2016 1:05 PM  

No accident that their proudest political accomplishment was abortion.

Blogger praetorian July 26, 2016 1:08 PM  

All of us are lucky we don't get what we really deserve.

Amen.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction July 26, 2016 1:10 PM  

but so much has changed from their generation to mine

Understatement of the century.

Blogger tz July 26, 2016 1:15 PM  

Also, has anyone thought about all the free stuff the illegal immigrants get? All Granny need do is go to Mexico, renounce her citizenship, then return as an illegal to a sanctuary city.
This will get interesting - I've used "Come with me if you want to live" to explain Trump, but it now has literal overtones. We've borrowed your social security and medicare for Immigrants and the indolent, and now can't pay it back.

Anonymous cheddarman July 26, 2016 1:17 PM  

I know a millenial cat lady in training that work for the state, so she can retire at 52 and travel the world...bwahahahaha!!!

Anonymous Jill July 26, 2016 1:17 PM  

This is the aftereffect of postmodern nihilism. Everything is pretty much meaningless; we have no connections to the past or the future. It's a sad and hopeless state to be in. My greatest achievements in life will be raising my children in my faith and leaving them the inheritance that was passed on to me down the generations from my great-great grandfather.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 26, 2016 1:18 PM  

My wife and I wanted a houseful of kids. But she was unable to conceive.

Now, I am at an age where I should be a Grandfather.

I hope God has some reason for this, but in all these years I haven't figured it out.

Anonymous Elipe July 26, 2016 1:20 PM  

Boomers posting in this thread, you're not helping your case by invoking NABALT.

What is one of Vox's complaints regarding Boomers? They ALWAYS make things about themselves.

Don't be that guy.

Blogger Nate July 26, 2016 1:23 PM  

Civilization thrives when old men plant trees they will never sit under.

Tell us baby boomers... what trees do you plant in your old age?

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 1:23 PM  

37. Anonymous VFM #7916 July 26, 2016 12:11 PM
@31

Get a job with a state or local government with a decently funded PERS system and an operative Section 218 agreement.

No FICA tax then.


in California, the PERS system gambled on high risk stocks because the taxpayer would be there to pay the bill if they lost

Blogger RobertDWood July 26, 2016 1:23 PM  

Well done sir.

Blogger SQT July 26, 2016 1:31 PM  

@61. That's exactly what my parents did. They mocked us for years because we were so financially strapped- though of course they never offered to help. But when they had pissed away all of their own money they had no qualms about expecting us to bail them out. My lack of sympathy genuinely surprised them.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction July 26, 2016 1:31 PM  

My brothers and I are very lucky that our Boomer parents, and our aunts and uncles, are cut from a different cloth than this woman. They bought the house for my 90 year old grandmother and when she could no longer move without the assistance of a wheel chair the eldest uncle volunteered to have her live with his family. The rest of the uncles and aunts all put forward money along with my father contributed large sums of money to build a mother in law wing to their house.

If there was anything my father taught me is that a man without family is a man with nothing.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx July 26, 2016 1:33 PM  

"Throughout their working lives, childless people are paying to rear other people's children."

Rolf wrote:@45 - Yes, but not NEARLY as much time or money as the family raising them. Raising kids well is a very expensive proposition. Hearing a childless person complain about all their property tax that goes to education is annoying when I pay the same property tax, and the food bills, the medical bills, and all the rest of the bills. Then my children will be expected to support the childless elderly as well as myself.

1. For all else equal, the father has to spend more time and attention on his children, as you say. He therefore has fewer resources to spend on the rest of the population outside of his family. The childless man has more.

2. If both father and childless man put in the same amount of tax into the education kitty, only the father's children can benefit directly.

3. Maybe the children will give the childless elderly a hamburger next Tuesday someday. That doesn't change what happens today.

Blogger sysadmn July 26, 2016 1:33 PM  

I wonder to what extent this is also a result of the "strong independent woman" scenario. She was married to her career, doesn't have kids of her own, and doesn't feel particularly attached to nieces and nephews who remind her she made different choices. The male counterpart is the divorced dad, whose kids were alienated as pre-teens and never reintegrated into his life.

Not to excuse the poor choices my generation is making, just wondering if there are more nuances to the story.

Anonymous #8601 July 26, 2016 1:33 PM  

@48 BGKB - I immediately used army command voice.

As opposed to your big gay voice?

Blogger Rodger Smith July 26, 2016 1:35 PM  

There are still some of us old farts who do care about the legacy they will leave. I grieve for the future I see coming for my grandchildren living here in the South. At least I know I raised my daughter wel. She is a stay at home mother home schooling her children while married to a hard working man.

Many of my friends brag about sending their daughters to college. I bragged about helping my daughter stay at home to raise my grandchildren while her husband went to school following a military tour. It is sickening to see people pursuing their toys at the expense of their children.

During our early life My wife and I lived in a trailer in order for my wife to stay at home and raise I daughter. Some people simply will not sacrifice and delay gratification for the bigger reward. I know who say that is seen a lot with the older baby boomers, but I also see that in the youth today.

Blogger Desiderius July 26, 2016 1:39 PM  

"I'm treating myself"

The Boomer disease in a nutshell.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 26, 2016 1:42 PM  

Lean times coming some will make it thru some won't, this woman is what we call in the business a cull

Anonymous Sam the Man July 26, 2016 1:42 PM  

It seems to me parents who have done their best by their children have no obligation to them after the kids have moved away, married and independent. That is what being an adult means, you are responsible for yourself.

By the same token, the wife and I are doing a fair bit to ensure the kids start with a fair nest egg. Not because we are obliged, but we like and love our kids and want them to have a decent life like we had, we would rather live in a smallish house to ensure they have down payments for theirs when the time comes.

In reverse: Kids have no claim on their parents property once they are off and independent, as long as the parent did their duty to them when they were under the parents care. At the same time they technically owe their parents nothing. The above is strictly according to law.

But the bonds of affections say otherwise. When my remaining parent was alive, I remained in the area to help out as much emotionally as otherwise. My wife (and I) are prepared to take in my father in law, should it be so required (no old folks home is in his future). It is not because of the law, but affection and a sense of duty for that person, the same thing that compels us to try to do our best for the kids. It is actually very natural.

Much like charity, the cross generational aid, should come out of a self imposed duty that comes from affection. In almost all the cases I know, cross generational aid does not seem like a burden to folks but the natural outcome of affection.

Affection grows from good deeds, shared experiences and simply time together. If the single women avoids her niece and nephew she will likely die along and unloved. If she invests time, treasure and talents in those kids she will always have a place to spend the holiday(s) and likely have someone to look out for her in her final days. Simple as that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 1:50 PM  

Viking wrote:." Oh, you want one of each? What about those very children? Why should they be denied the same "one of each?" That is, why shouldn't those children have both brothers and sisters. So few ever consider that you have to have at least four to give each of your children at least one sister and one brother.


Since my favorite sibling is my little brother, I always figured my kids deserved little brothers and sisters.
That's why I have 11.

Blogger John Williams July 26, 2016 1:53 PM  

@andon, it's in Proverbs, "A wise man leaves an inheritance to his children" As Vox pointed out, that's what civilization is built on. Though it is a major component of White Privilege, and that may be why you object to it.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx July 26, 2016 1:58 PM  

peppermintfrosted wrote:Gas the boomers, generation war now!

Do you how many boomers you can fit into a VW bug?

Blogger John Wright July 26, 2016 1:58 PM  

@11
"eh, I don't think there's any obligation to pass on money. descendents should earn their own."

Spoken like a sea-turtle. However, if you were raised by your parents, their sacrifices were to your benefit, and similar sacrifices are expected from you in return to make the next generation possible.

It is one of the peculiarities of the modern age that absolutely simple, blindingly obvious, perfectly ordinary and self-evident moral truths must be explained over and over again to moral retards.

In every other aspect of life and education, the moral retard is on the same bell curve as the rest of us, but a deficiency of religion, exposure to Leftism, or the absence of a sound father figure, suddenly renders the moral retard into a bastard, as grasping and selfish and proud and hard as illegitimate children gained a reputation for being.

Anonymous VFM #7916 July 26, 2016 1:59 PM  

@88

"decently funded PERS system"

From your @41 post, I imagine we can also add "lack of reading comprehension" to your lack of writing ability?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 1:59 PM  

Spartacus xxxxx wrote:Do you how many boomers you can fit into a VW bug?
Diced or cremated?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 26, 2016 2:04 PM  

"Civilization thrives when old men plant trees they will never sit under."

This, in spades. One anecdote that struck me deeply was that Admiral Collingwood, when he was at home in the 1790s, carried a pocketful of acorns to plant where he saw a good place for an oak tree. Because it took a good 200 years to grow the mainmast of a first rate ship of the line.

That's the long view.

Blogger Rek. July 26, 2016 2:05 PM  

I feel sick. Disgusting mind, spirit and soul.

Blogger John Wright July 26, 2016 2:07 PM  

@41

"im not a writer but "reprehensibly stupid" sounds like poor word choice"

I am a writer, and when a man, as you have done, has said what is both stupid and stupid in a reprehensible fashion, the term 'reprehensibly stupid' has an exquisite precision to it as clear and hard as a diamond, and as sharp in its trenchant exactness.

A man answers the criticism. A coward criticizes the wording of the criticism.

Blogger James Dixon July 26, 2016 2:10 PM  

> Well, there are millions of Boomers who have given much to later generations.

Yeah, yeah. We know, NABALT.

> My wife and I wanted a houseful of kids. But she was unable to conceive.

I can't say we wanted them, but we would willingly have accepted them and done our best to raise them properly. And it's not like we didn't try. But as with you, it wasn't to be. :(

We're doing our best to make sure we have something to leave for our nieces and nephews. Who knows if we'll succeed or not.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 26, 2016 2:11 PM  

@87. Y'all tease Nate all y'all want, but sometimes he's the only one really making sense.

From my exile in Sodom-on-the-Hooch, it's good to be reminded my Patria really is a Great state full of Fine people.

RTT!!!

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 26, 2016 2:12 PM  

Damn sausage fingers, let's try it again...

Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer, give 'em hell, Alabama!!!

Blogger Tank July 26, 2016 2:18 PM  

The younger than the Boomers commenters here, who delight in every Bash the Boomers thread, and run each to 100+ comments, are complaining that some Boomers might not leave them any money.

Waaaaaaaa!

Yeah, let's Cuisinart them and jam them into a VW, and then go look to see how much money they left us. Yay.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 26, 2016 2:22 PM  

Nate wrote:Civilization thrives when old men plant trees they will never sit under.

Tell us baby boomers... what trees do you plant in your old age?


Siberian pines. My grandchildren will be able to gather pine nuts.

Anonymous SugarPi July 26, 2016 2:24 PM  

Well, I'm a boomer and not typical. My daughter posts here occasionally, so Vox may have figured out our connection and knows I'm telling the truth.

I live with her, her husband, and sons. Spent my husband's money on his medical expenses (instead of relying on the VA)and cared for him at home until he died. Then used resources to help the kids and also invested in hard assets.

Said all that to say this: I have no friends my age. What I witnessed during my husband's illness explains why. Boomers abandon their spouse just like they do/did their children or they have reared worthless children. Either way, my existence is an in-your-face rebuke even if I say nothing.

In addition to scripture, I am comforted by my children, their spouses, and my grandchildren... and the prospect of being reunited with my husband one day soon.

Getting in on this thread late, but just want folks to know all boomers weren't created equal.

Anonymous AllenArmory July 26, 2016 2:26 PM  

Pro 13:22
A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children,
but the sinner's wealth is laid up for the righteous.

Blogger pdwalker July 26, 2016 2:27 PM  

@16, @18,

Children are your real wealth, especially if you raise them right.

Anonymous Rum Raisin July 26, 2016 2:28 PM  

This woman's sentiments echo those of my Boomer aunts and uncles. My grandfather was very frugal, and even though he was just a humble small town salesman, he managed to leave behind over a million dollars for his children when he passed away. They had urged him many times to spend the money on himself while he was alive, but that's not the kind of man he was.

After he died, the money was divided between his children -- I got my mother's share, since she'd passed away years before. I used my share to pay down a mortgage and to pay off two used cars. I think my grandfather would've approved. However, all but one of my aunts and uncles squandered their shares. They bought lavish cars and trinkets that nobody could possibly need. None of them paid off mortgages or put the money in savings. The money is now all gone. I suspect if my grandfather had known how his children would squander his hard-earned money, he would've just left it to the church instead.

Ironically, my mom was the child most like her father. She lived modestly and saved up quite a bit of money before her untimely death. It will go to me when my stepfather passes away. The aunts and uncles will leave behind nothing but debt to when they die. My sense is that they know how frivolously they have lived, and see no reason to deprive themselves now so that their children can similarly squander their inheritance on lavish cars and useless trinkets.

I used to think Vox was a bit harsh on Boomers, but I don't think so anymore. They are, by and large, dyscivilizational. I will never understand how the Greatest Generation produced these people.

Blogger Austin Ballast July 26, 2016 2:44 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:My wife and I wanted a houseful of kids. But she was unable to conceive.

Now, I am at an age where I should be a Grandfather.

I hope God has some reason for this, but in all these years I haven't figured it out.


You are not alone. We had the same challenged but ended up raising someone else's children. We thought we had made a family, but they connected back to their birth family and I am left with not much. Even few of my core values will go to the next generation.

My only sister died childless and we are very disconnected from my wife's siblings and most of their children are very confused and messed up.

Tougher on a personal level, but I will still do what I can to build and maintain civilization.

Blogger Austin Ballast July 26, 2016 2:57 PM  

Elipe wrote:Boomers posting in this thread, you're not helping your case by invoking NABALT.

What is one of Vox's complaints regarding Boomers? They ALWAYS make things about themselves.

Don't be that guy.


So if we are wrong if we speak up or if we do not. Yeah, you really are the font of wisdom.

Blaming boomers is easier to do than taking responsibility.

I didn't choose when I was born and I cannot control that I am at the tail end of a bunch of idiots.

Nate wrote:Civilization thrives when old men plant trees they will never sit under.

Tell us baby boomers... what trees do you plant in your old age?


Tried to plant trees, but none grew. So glad you are the image of perfection. I am so unworthy of your presence.

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Didn't I read a bunch of things earlier about not shooting at allies?

Blogger Verne July 26, 2016 3:00 PM  

It's my family I raised it that's not probable. Good trees do not bear bad fruit. I took care of that tree, if the fruit is bad it's my responsibility.

Anonymous Rolf July 26, 2016 3:08 PM  

@92 - "All else being equal" is a caveat the size of an iceberg. My experience has been that people with kids do a lot more for the community in terms of volunteering, donating money, and helping out in person than those without kids.

Blogger justaguy July 26, 2016 3:14 PM  

A career military Christian boomer here with a different perspective: Our greatest generation lost the thread of western civilization just like Europe's lost generation after WWI. Some Boomers bought their parents view of the progressive agenda, which promotes atheism and female hypergamy, and destroys tolerance towards its Christian western heritage. The majority of we Boomers kept our faith, our families, and the ideals of Western civilization, but we were gradually outnumbered over our lifetimes thanks to Ted Kennedy's 1965 Immigration Act. Only about 60-70% of the Boomers made it through-- look at the numbers divorce, vote repub, etc. For example, Cali-- the amount of Dems voting increases as Hispanic % increases. Cali is democratic because it is large part Hispanic. By the time Boomers had the presidency, we were outvoted by the libs combining with the newly arrived peasant cultures looking for handouts. Bush squeaked by barely (not even popular vote in 2000) and was flawed as are most rich kids of the aristocracy.

Now did anything change more dramatically with the Boomers than say with the New Deal? The slow shift to statism and humanism has been a century of retrograde movement. The worst amendments to the constitution were put in place by the progressives almost 100 years ago. We are finally wearing through the culture that kept them in check and realizing how bad they and the New Deal Administrative State really are.

Yes, some Boomers are twits and don't care about a future they have no part of. Others have progeny and have worked to create a future. The progressives have been battling us for over 100 years... the libs are finally winning, having imported voters by the 10s of millions, lowered IQ and changed the culture to one of entitlement and death instead of individual rights, God, family, country. Don’t paint all Boomers because some are idiots, because each generation has a good part and a bad one. Like the Cold War, the battle for liberty and freedom goes on and on—as it hopefully will continue. Just understand that civilization seems to be decaying not reaching new heights.

Blogger OneWingedShark July 26, 2016 3:23 PM  

John Wright wrote:@11
It is one of the peculiarities of the modern age that absolutely simple, blindingly obvious, perfectly ordinary and self-evident moral truths must be explained over and over again to moral retards.


This is by design, I believe.
The education system has worked very hard to excise any logical thought from the general populous, and the vehicle they do this with is "situational morality" wherein there are no moral absolutes, this is reinforced by an indoctrination to revere authority (or rather the appearance thereof) in what we might call an "Appeal to Self-Authority" which is something that put to words would be like:

1. People in authority would not be there if they were not good.
2. Therefore, their position of authority is proof of their goodness.
3. Because of this goodness, the power an authority uses is good.
4. Therefore, to disagree with [or disobey] an authority is proof of your evilness.
5. Implicit: I am an authority; to contradict me is evil, no matter the situation.

Once you see that sort of 'reasoning' you can see it show up everywhere, but perhaps (other than school administration) the best example of it is the Supreme Court which just pulls crap out of nowhere, often deciding against what the very Constitution that gives them authority mandates.

Blogger SS July 26, 2016 3:23 PM  

My parents are typical boomers. Constantly on vacation, in debt up to their ears. My Silent grandmothers are both in nursing homes. Neither one should be. Their children should be keeping them, but they're all as bad as my parents.

My wife's parents are the opposite. They bought a house just down the road from themselves to put grandma in when grandpa died so they could watch over her. They're talking about giving my wife and I a substantial amount of money to buy a vehicle we cant afford (money we never asked for) because our 5 children dont fit in a minivan very well.

My in-laws both worked hard and made good money. You wouldnt know it by looking at them. They've retired and live on next to nothing because they want to be able to help both their parents and children if the need arises.

My parents will end up in nursing homes some day. My wife and I have already discussed it. They can stay in the home. When my in-laws get too old to handle themselves, they will be staying with us. We're in the process of looking for somewhere in the country to move and part of that search includes a "mother-in-law" house on the property so her parents can stay any time they like or move in if they ever want to.

You get what you give.

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 3:25 PM  

BGKB - I immediately used army command voice. As opposed to your big gay voice?

I admit I can be a little on the loud side in normal conversation but I don't usually do try to be loud.

"Civilization thrives when old men plant trees they will never sit under."

Its possible for grapevines to provide food for over 100 years.

are complaining that some Boomers might not leave them any money.

Not leaving money is fine, not leaving debt with loads of the 3rd world is what we would like.

Blogger GracieLou July 26, 2016 3:42 PM  

Oh good, another boomer post. I've been holding onto a visual to explain Generation X loathing:

Think of the pictures you've seen of Woodstock. Look at the ones with wacked-out hippie parents and shell shocked, naked, mud-caked toddlers.

THAT'S the relationship between Boomer and X in a nutshell.

We're the beat-up throw away children who were expected to be happy because our asshole parents were "happy".

We were not entertained.

Anonymous Tail End Baby Boomer July 26, 2016 3:52 PM  

The only father I ever had, was my grandfather. Sure, my father worked, and paid the bills. But he could never find time for quality time with his son. Never found time to go to his sports games, so he finally quits sports. Never found time to marginally get involved with his Cub Scouts and Weblos activities, so he quits when it is time to go into Boy Scouts. He used to get these free tickets to baseball, football, racing from vendors at his work, never took me to one, even after pleading with him. Couldn't go fishing. Couldn't play catch, and in fact, told me that I didn't know how to throw the ball right when I over threw it, and he just walked away, and never played again, I was like 6 or 7 years old. Oh yeah, bought me one of those bounce-back nets for baseball for my birthday. "Play with your net." Going to work on his car, so his som tags along, "Go find something to do, this is a mans job." All he ever talked about was his work and his Mexicans. So my mom dies back in 99. 6 months later he is hooking up with a barely habla from his work, who happened to be my age. 6 months after that, they got married. She quit her job at his work, and 4 years later he retires. 6 months after he retires, he finds out he has pulmonary fibrosis, directly related to his work. So he spends his retirement slowly dying, until he dies in 2012. He had 2 insurance policies for 300,000 dollars each. He gave the one to his new wife, plus the house, plus everything in it, including all the family heirlooms going back to the early 1700's, and then gave the other 300,000 dollars to be split with his new wife's nieces and nephews. I remember 2 nights before he died, at the hospital, he just looked at me and bored into me with his eyes. Laying their with a breathing tube down his throat, IV's stuck in him, and all the monitors keeping him alive. He was never going to pull out of it. Out of some sense of mercy and love on my father, I had them pull everything and watched the finally death rattle 4 hours later. I remember when my brother past away in 95, I got the phone call. H in TF do you tell your father? There is no easy way other than doing it. So I drive to his work, ask for my father, he comes outside, and, "There is no easy way to tell you this dad. But, I got a phone call that David died this morning." Silence. Then blurting out, "You killed my son." What? I was stunned. Like throwing a brick in my face. And he just walked away and went home. My brother ran away from home when I was in the Army.

What a waste of my time all those years after I left home. 2 years before he retires, I visit him, and he gives me 2 tickets to a Formula 1 race. "Hey pops, why don't you and I go to the race?" Ha-ha. Sure. Why go to the races with your son when you can sit on your fat ass stuffing your face and watching the TV?

If you are young, and have a father like this, get a part-time job, save your money, and when you turn 18, RUN. And do not look back. Do not waste your time with him. IF he changes, he will find you. If not, you won't waste your life trying to make good on him.

Blogger S. Misanthrope July 26, 2016 4:05 PM  

I'm Gen Y with (divorced) Boomer parents. I wonder if part of the phenomenon of Boomers spending all their wealth is due to delayed inheritance from their parents living longer than expected. I saw a lot of resentment from my mother directed at her in-laws, who took exotic vacations and bought luxury items while still contributing to my education and my parents' homeownership. The whole thing completely turned me off the idea of family as an institution. It wasn't until recently that I had seen enough of the world to realize it doesn't have to be this way. Still, I always felt a deep need to leave the world better than I found it. I used to think the way to do this was institution-building. Now, while I admire institution-building greatly, I suspect there's no substitute for building a strong and virtuous family.

Anonymous Sam the Man July 26, 2016 4:07 PM  

# 125:

Those 4~5 year old kids in the mud @Woodstock...they are baby-boomers

# 126 That is a really sad story. My father was a guy who worked till he died, never took vacations type...but he was a warm and kind a man as I have ever seen. I have found with my kids that quantity time is quality time, at least to them. They seem to like doing whatever I have time to include them in, though I am sure going to fairs with rides beats working on the property pulling weeds, but they seem to get the same level of happiness at the end of the day with either activity.

Blogger S. Misanthrope July 26, 2016 4:07 PM  

@121 Agreed. To me, it's just that the Boomers are a) still around for me to yell at and b) closer to home since they raised "kids today."

Blogger Nate July 26, 2016 4:10 PM  

"Tried to plant trees, but none grew. So glad you are the image of perfection. I am so unworthy of your presence."

I'm so shocked to see that a baby boomer has completely missed the point.

Anonymous Bukulu July 26, 2016 4:24 PM  

Camilla Cameo @ 76,

Failing mankind? Well that depends. Not everybody can find a mate, and if it was honestly through no fault or intention of your own, where's the failing? Consider, too, that a certain percentage of folks marry--some of them admirably young--only to find they are infertile.

On the other hand, if you spent your 20's riding the carousel while turning down--or more likely just outright ignoring--all the decent fellows who could have made good husbands... well, in that case it would be a different matter.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2016 4:32 PM  

That's amazing. Suddenly all the guilt I felt about euthanasia for the elderly has gone too!

OOSH

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2016 4:37 PM  

My parents get a pass though. They're not too bright but they've done the best possible parenting job and the manic shopping spree disease missed them.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 4:40 PM  

That's amazing. Suddenly all the guilt I felt about euthanasia for the elderly has gone too!
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Comment of the day across all the interwebs

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2016 4:43 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:My wife and I wanted a houseful of kids. But she was unable to conceive.

Now, I am at an age where I should be a Grandfather.

I hope God has some reason for this, but in all these years I haven't figured it out.


Shit happens man, it sucks when it happens to you but there it is. I'm a walking maladaptation so I feel your feelz, but God didn't make the world what it is, he made it what it was. Then evil fucked it up.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 4:45 PM  

@13 VD

It's the result of repeated generations passing on more to their children than they received from their parents.
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This puts that "death tax" I've heard about into a new, sinister light

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 26, 2016 4:46 PM  

ray wrote:"At the very least, it's a convincing case for eliminating Social Security, shutting down all the bankrupt pension plans, and letting millions of literally useless old Boomers rely upon the children they didn't have."

I started (formal) employment at age 14, and EARNED my social security -- pittance that it is. The first gig was for $1.80 an hour, working in an ice-house. You could only last about forty minutes at a time in the icebox. Anyway, I sure didn't make the money writing pulp science fiction and gathering donations from friends, while living in France.

You want to take the SS away from me, Ted? Tell you what O Great Dark Lord. Come right on over. If you can take it from my hand, you can have it.



$1.80 in 1960 had the same purchasing power as $14.65900 in 2016.

Oh sorry, did I interrupt?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 4:51 PM  

You know what really gets me about these old timers?
A bunch of them are Malthusian.
They are so worried that the world is over populated :P

Blogger residentMoron July 26, 2016 4:54 PM  

Were-Puppy

Death taxes were explicitly designed to prevent successful people passing the benefits of their success to their children. The left have never hidden this. Yeah they made some attempt to present it in innocuous seeming language if it was ever debated, but their big play was emotional (i.e. rhetorical);

"It's not fair!"

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 4:56 PM  

@42 Gaiseric
What's it going to be for the Millenials? "Because you WANT it and can't imagine NOT HAVING EVERYTHING YOU WANT!"
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For the Gen Xers it will be
"Because you were BONED and REVENGE" :P

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 4:59 PM  

@48 BGKB

Good one :P

When I first signed up for martial arts a long time ago, this one guy used to punch me in the face repeatedly. Probably a lot of peoples dream right there.

His one comment was, "One day soon, you'll learn to love getting punched in the face!"

The point was, If I don't block the punch, I deserve the pounding

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 5:05 PM  

@67 Rolf

It would be a fun argument to watch if someone proposed changing the SS payout formula so it accounted for the number of children / grandchildren you have working and paying taxes into the system. No kids, low payout.
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That's a recipe for making the famous Latrina a millionaire

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 5:06 PM  

@68 Headcannon
It's disgusting watching the elderly act like children. Pathetic.
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Someone told me once that you start out as a bald, grouchy, whiny diaper wearer. And you end up the same way at the end.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 5:12 PM  

@87 Nate
Civilization thrives when old men plant trees they will never sit under.
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I like that. And I like planting trees too.

Blogger tweell July 26, 2016 5:16 PM  

The Strauss-Howe generational theory was that the generations came in cycles. Greatest, Silent, Boomer, X and that Millenials are our new greatest, starting everything over again. They wrote two books in the '90's, Generations and The Fourth Turning.

Have you read these, Vox?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 26, 2016 5:16 PM  

@91 Theproductofafineeduction
If there was anything my father taught me is that a man without family is a man with nothing.
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It was so common with I guess the Greatest Gen that everybody pitched in as a family and took care of them.

Something happened with the Silents and Boomers, I don't know what. They were the ones who were pitching in to help their parents.

Anonymous Hip-Coolest Boomer Product of 2016 July 26, 2016 5:16 PM  

I feel very upset at the ungrateful tone of this post. I may have inherited a legacy - like the rest of my generation did - in the form of the infrastructure and the financial savings built by my hard-working, thrifty parents, but that just means it is mine to use as I like. I can't believe you younger people would resent me enjoying my own inheritance, every penny of it, rather than saving or reinvesting it to pass on to you.

I am not surprised though, since none of you young people had to face the hardships of life under a boring, safe, reliable social order led by equally boring, dutiful parents. I am glad though, that we boomers fixed all of that for you.

I think I have said what I came here to say.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 26, 2016 5:18 PM  

ray wrote:You want to take the SS away from me, Ted? Tell you what O Great Dark Lord. Come right on over. If you can take it from my hand, you can have it.

They don't have to take it, ray. They just have to stop giving it to you.

You're talking to people who've been told ALL THEIR LIVES that SS won't be there for them. They know it in their guts, the whole thing is going to collapse, and they're pretty much okay with it. What can't go on forever, won't.

We all think you're pathetic.

Anonymous Headcannon July 26, 2016 5:19 PM  

@148. Masterful.

Blogger Giraffe July 26, 2016 5:34 PM  

So Ray gave a bunch of money to the government in a big ponzi scheme, and the government spent it. Now he wants my kids to foot the bill so that he can get the benefits he was promised instead of saving for their own retirement. Good luck with that Ray. Anyway, nobody has to take out of your hand what you haven't got yet.

Anonymous Camilla Cameo July 26, 2016 5:51 PM  

@131 On the other hand, if you spent your 20's riding the carousel while turning down--or more likely just outright ignoring--all the decent fellows who could have made good husbands... well, in that case it would be a different matter.

Nope, under the obligation to defend my honor from any implication, (I take no offense however since the implication was not assumed) I must state I'm a virgin.

OpenID wesleyfulton July 26, 2016 5:51 PM  

The Boomers: They lost Vietnam, but they go through life acting like they won World War II.

Blogger Nate July 26, 2016 6:06 PM  

"They wrote two books in the '90's, Generations and The Fourth Turning"

In terms of this theory... the SJWisms of the millennials makes sense when you consider they are a hero generation with no war and no cause.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper July 26, 2016 6:06 PM  

Ras al Ghul wrote:As student in blue pointed out, there is that word "deserved" again.

I hate that word when its uttered and the people that utter it because it is always used to justify selfish and mean spirited behavior.


Yeah. But isn't deserve this part and parcel of consumer capitalism , you deserve what you earn?

Our entire edifice of economy and power depends on unnecessary consumption.

we certainly could drop to much less, most people call that poverty and with some exceptions the poor are at the non existent mercy of the wealthier. A wealthy society can tap off a smaller amount of a greater wealth to gain power in any case. The shirt example, a $1000 AR and a $500 pistol is a drop in the bucket to someone who makes $150,000 -- it a stretch for $35,000 probably not gonna happen for $15,000

That said, some people don't understand that other people have different priorities and would prefer to save money or spend money on children not luxury goods.

Also re: inheritance. I take a slightly different view, wills cause too much dissension in families Its better to support your family while you are alive than when you are dead

Instead of giving them 100k when you croak, give them 100k over time for a business and die near broke. The net effect is the same

Its moot for me though, unmarried, no children, few assets.

As for this

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:"Civilization thrives when old men plant trees they will never sit under."

This, in spades. One anecdote that struck me deeply was that Admiral Collingwood, when he was at home in the 1790s, carried a pocketful of acorns to plant where he saw a good place for an oak tree. Because it took a good 200 years to grow the mainmast of a first rate ship of the line.

That's the long view.


A lot of people who would normally be able to see the longer term kind of gave up on it. Can't really blame them. One mistake or one wrong person in power could result in the annihilation of all Western civilization

We came amazingly close on a number of occasions

Worse yet if genetic engineering keep advancing or robotics and AI does, its only 50-50 humanity makes it our of this century in any numbers.

Tolkien used the word Doom in an idiosyncratic way to describe situations like this, the inevitable culmination of long term choices resulting in consequences often very bad ones.

That bottleneck, our own great filter is out there staring at us and its not pleasant.

In the past, we'd use faith in God but moderns aren't religious and they aren't fatalistic barbarians either. Its a bad place to be

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 26, 2016 7:04 PM  

Fuck boomers.

But when my Dad (b1953) found himself abandoned by his whore wife (b1957) with a 4yo son and 16mo daughter, he didn't hesitate to drop his amazing job and move back to rural NE AL. Said he could have easily afforded paying women to raise us, but what we needed was family. So back to the farm, in an old shack with no indoor plumbing right down the road from his mom. Subsistence farming, behind a mule. Raising Poland-Chinas. Hunting.

He was always there, to explain, to hug and kiss, to whoop my ass when needed. Always said 'Love is sacrifice. Anybody says they love you and it don't cost them a thing, you know you found a liar.'

Fuck boomers, but I knew a good one. That old man gave up everything he thought he wanted to raise two kids nearly alone. Died just as little sister finished high school. Hung on with CHF for 6 years just to get that far (after a 6 month prognosis from UAB). He said he never regretted any of it, even the terrible wife. Especially the terrible wife. His family was worth it.

And I'll never be half the man he was.

So yeah, bitch at me all y'all want. But I knew a good one.

Fuck boomers.

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 7:19 PM  

100. Blogger John Williams July 26, 2016 1:53 PM
@andon, it's in Proverbs, "A wise man leaves an inheritance to his children" As Vox pointed out, that's what civilization is built on. Though it is a major component of White Privilege, and that may be why you object to it.


my older brother got the inheritance

had more to do with favoritism

Anonymous andon July 26, 2016 7:25 PM  

102. Blogger John Wright July 26, 2016 1:58 PM
@11
"eh, I don't think there's any obligation to pass on money. descendents should earn their own."

Spoken like a sea-turtle. However, if you were raised by your parents, their sacrifices were to your benefit, and similar sacrifices are expected from you in return to make the next generation possible.

It is one of the peculiarities of the modern age that absolutely simple, blindingly obvious, perfectly ordinary and self-evident moral truths must be explained over and over again to moral retards.

In every other aspect of life and education, the moral retard is on the same bell curve as the rest of us, but a deficiency of religion, exposure to Leftism, or the absence of a sound father figure, suddenly renders the moral retard into a bastard, as grasping and selfish and proud and hard as illegitimate children gained a reputation for being.


I don't have any descendants and I didnt get no inheritance.

moral retard?

and please tell me about my parents, john

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 26, 2016 7:30 PM  

I did not know sea turtles could get butt hurt. You would think the carapace would prevent that.

Anonymous BGKB July 26, 2016 7:52 PM  

"Tried to plant trees, but none grew. So glad you are the image of perfection. I am so unworthy of your presence."

If starting from seed put at least 3 seeds in the hole and later cut back what isn't biggest. You could also hire home depot Mexicans before TRUMP sends them all away. Have them dig swales for you while they are a it.

This puts that "death tax" I've heard about into a new, sinister light

The earnings taxed in life getting taxed again. It also destroyed small businesses& farmers. The death tax never affected Lattina's 21 crack babies. Smart people distribute their assets while still alive, you can give $14k per person per year before hitting the ""gift tax"", but NYC leftists who never got invited to parties wanted to tax diner parties.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 26, 2016 8:14 PM  

@153 PFCs and 2nd Lts don't lose wars. Viet Nam was lost by the men who had fought WW2.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx July 26, 2016 8:16 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Spartacus xxxxx wrote:Do you how many boomers you can fit into a VW bug?

Diced or cremated?


Depends on whether they're Auschwitz-sized or Walmart-sized.

Suddenly all the guilt I felt about euthanasia for the elderly has gone too!

Cool! Suddenly all the guilt I have for Gen X'ers is gone too! Bunch of whiners. Didn't appreciate all the finer things we've ex/imported here just for you.

Blogger GracieLou July 26, 2016 8:44 PM  

No, Woodstock was '69. Gen X starts in 1965. Those toddlers (kids aged 1-3) were not Boomers. Besides, the point still stands.

Blogger VD July 26, 2016 8:47 PM  

You're spammed, Ray. This isn't the first time you've violated the rules. And your Social Security will be shut off. Deal with it.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 26, 2016 8:48 PM  

@64. Yeah, pretty sure we all do. I mean, you're the one spreading your feathers over a welfare check. Not defending your cohort, not defending yourself, just bragging about all that sweet teat you get from Uncle Sugar, posturing behind to your quad cane.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 26, 2016 8:49 PM  

Sorry VD, delete mine too please. My apologies.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx July 26, 2016 9:48 PM  

VD wrote: And your Social Security will be shut off. Deal with it.

The Coldest, the Supremely Darkest, of Cold Monsters.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 27, 2016 12:48 AM  

Sam the Man wrote:# 125:

Those 4~5 year old kids in the mud @Woodstock...they are baby-boomers


Not really.  Their parents were on the tail end of the Beat generation.  Kids turning 4 in 1969 were born in 1965, so were post-Boomer.

If you listen to Tom Lehrer's old stuff you can get a hint of what the Cold War and everything else of that era was like.  Just a hint, though; you really had to be there.

Were-Puppy wrote:That's a recipe for making the famous Latrina a millionaire
Show me one of Latrina's kids paying into the system.

My fantasy is a system to persuade the welfare/criminal underclass to sterilize itself for financial incentives.  Juvenile felonies should require sterilization as a condition of parole.  Bye-bye Latrina/Angel Adams.  Bye-bye, thug baby daddies.  And in 20 years, bye-bye, "hood".

Blogger rho July 27, 2016 2:11 AM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:One anecdote that struck me deeply was that Admiral Collingwood, when he was at home in the 1790s, carried a pocketful of acorns to plant where he saw a good place for an oak tree. Because it took a good 200 years to grow the mainmast of a first rate ship of the line.

It may take 200 years to grow an oak, but a spruce makes a better mast.

Collingwood's sentiment is good. His facts were OBE.

Blogger Akulkis July 27, 2016 2:16 AM  

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Blogger Akulkis July 27, 2016 2:23 AM  

@94
#8601 wrote:@48 BGKB - I immediately used army command voice.

As opposed to your big gay voice?



(sigh) .... civilians ...

Blogger Sagramore July 27, 2016 2:33 AM  

They call special massages "hand release." This puff piece feels like one.

Blogger Sagramore July 27, 2016 2:40 AM  

In Quebec the Dominician Repubic is popular for Stella sex tourism.

Anonymous SciVo July 27, 2016 6:49 AM  

Speaking of bankrupt pension plans:

California’s massive public pension fund has been severely underfunded and mismanaged for decades, but its accountants have managed to conceal the extent of the problem by assuming that the state-run asset manager would secure white-hot seven to eight percent returns over the long run.
...
"Pensions & Investments" reports:
"CalPERS on Monday announced a preliminary net return of 0.61% for the fiscal year ended June 30."
...
It is also a reminder of the fact that ultra low interest rates may be staving off recession today, but only at the cost of making the pension time bomb even more explosive down the line.


(h/t Ace of Spades)

Blogger mary July 27, 2016 10:20 AM  

Yes

Blogger flyingtiger July 27, 2016 10:58 AM  

You haven't thought this through, VD. We must do everything to encourage boomers to retire. Most boomers would love to work until they drop. This meant that younger employees would have to wait years, even decades before they could earn a descend wage.
The state of Illinois is run by 70 year old fossils. These politicians for life would love to work until they die. The result is that they use the pension fund to gamble or reward supporters. They are not planning to retire so the money is play money to them. Plus the sheep that support them will just suck it up and pay the new heavy taxes.
Then there are the stupid ideas of the boomers.

Anonymous Athor Pel July 27, 2016 2:24 PM  

" 90. Blogger SQT July 26, 2016 1:31 PM
@61. That's exactly what my parents did. They mocked us for years because we were so financially strapped- though of course they never offered to help. But when they had pissed away all of their own money they had no qualms about expecting us to bail them out. My lack of sympathy genuinely surprised them."


I do not understand people like this. The feeling I get in hearing stories like this is a cold and empty pity. Pity for the howling abyss masquerading as their soul.

It's like they aren't human.

Cthulu had parents that showed more care. Enough care that his siblings grew to adulthood. Cthulu ate them all but the parents did care, then he ate them too.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 4:57 PM  

> We must do everything to encourage boomers to retire.

I'm willing to retire as soon as my retirement account will allow. Donations are accepted. :)

Anonymous Rachel K July 28, 2016 9:30 AM  

Hey-I am a boomer, and did my best for my kids, am always ready to help with my grandkids, hope to leave them money, and have no intention of squandering anything. But then, I will admit to having no boomer friends either. All our friends are 12-15 years younger. So I guess I hate my generation too. And I have planted many trees I will never see fully grown.

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2016 1:06 PM  

11. andon July 26, 2016 11:25 AM
eh, I don't think there's any obligation to pass on money.
descendents should earn their own.



said by one of the generations who has 'profited' from $20 Trillion in Federal DEBT.

hey motherfucker, you enslaved your future great grandchildren to a future of war and poverty because YOU didn't create any wealth at all, you ate all the wealth of the Nation in fruitless globalism.

but you did bequeath them a debt they can never repay, so that's all good.

Anonymous Discard August 01, 2016 11:47 PM  

169. rho: Way late with this, I've been away. Oak was for the keel and the ribs, not the masts. I'm sure that Admiral Collingwood knew that.

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