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Wednesday, July 06, 2016

The media comes after the Alt-Right

As I mentioned a few days ago, it's a big mistake for anyone on the Right to talk to the mainstream media. As I was explaining to one of the Dread Ilk yesterday, only a complete amateur believes he can somehow spin media coverage to his advantage, and only a complete innocent believes the media is genuinely interested in his story, giving him the chance to set the record straight, or wants to present both sides of the situation.

When a journalist contacts you, he already has the story outlined, the narrative is already established, and often, it has already been approved by an editor. Unbeknownst to you, your role has already been established, and if you are on the Right, you are almost certainly playing the role of the villain of the piece. The reason they are calling you, and will spend up to six hours talking to you, is to glean that single sentence or two they can use to put you on stage in your appointed character as Richard III or Iago.

You're not going to play them. The average journalist has successfully played hundreds of people and is an expert at pretending to be a new and sympathetic friend before ritually sacrificing you before the public. They don't hesitate to edit and elide, to insert nonexistent dialogue and false reaction faces, in order to present an intentionally false version of events. They are more cunning and insidious than you suspect. Consider that despite my customary caution, Amy Wallace of Wired managed to disarm my defenses by first interviewing Larry Correia and Brad Torgerson in an entirely friendly manner, then reading the pre-release version of SJWAL before interviewing me.

She then spent three freaking hours talking to me about the Hugos and science fiction, when all she was really after was a means of character-assassination required to support the SF-SJW Narrative of racist Puppies. She didn't care about Correia or Torgerson or the Hugo Awards, I was the target all along. The only reason she failed was due to her being a parochial American; she didn't realize the kill-quote that sounded so horrendously racist to Americans was, in fact, an accurate reference to a genuine and widespread problem in Europe, an issue that soon after broke into the English-language media via the UK.

Anyhow, several major news organization are now working on a stories about the Alt Right and connecting it to the rise of Trump. All of us have refused to talk to them, which means that they will have to make do with putting on their Kabuki play without an on-screen villain, or at best, a foolish lesser player or two dressed up in the villain's clothes.

As Cernovich rightly points out, they need us more than we need them. We can help them sell their Narrative if we are foolish enough to play along, but we have no need of their exposure or their false promises of presenting our side of the story to the public. We will do that ourselves, and we will ultimately replace them as people increasingly turn to us for the simple reason that we tell the truth exactly as we see it, we do not knowingly push false narratives on the public and pretend that they are true.

My media policy is fairly straightforward. I will only do recorded radio or podcast interviews with Alt Right-friendly parties who are not part of any mainstream organization. Any interview with a newspaper or a blog must be written; no telephone or Skype interviews. No television period. No radio unless it is live and the purpose of the interview is clearly provided beforehand.

UPDATE: One of the organizations has asked me if I am willing to respond in writing to their written questions. While I'm not quite certain how that will work in a broadcast environment, I have agreed to do so, partly as an experiment, but mostly because I would prefer to provide the quotes being utilized rather than have them resort to cherry-picking them from my various writings.

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Blogger Mother Effingby July 06, 2016 6:29 AM  

Having worked deep in the bowels of newsrooms with journalists...and I was on the far right back in the early 80s...I've seen their tactics up close and personal. It's ugly, indeed.

Blogger rumpole5 July 06, 2016 6:45 AM  

As a prosecutor for 30 years I worked on a number of cases that the news midgets thought news worthy. I never saw a story by these folks that matched the actual facts. What you read in a newspaper and hear and see in radio/TV is always distorted, inaccurateand unreliable in some way.

Blogger rumpole5 July 06, 2016 6:52 AM  

I was a prosecutor for 30 years, and often saw news stories about my cases. They were never accurate. The editing process, and character of the reporters always distorts the facts. Don't rely on news reports.

Anonymous Sazerac July 06, 2016 6:53 AM  

Well said. Few people I dislike more than media SJWs and cuck tarts. I could do a better job than these idiots but ofcourse doing an honest job is not what they would pay me for. If I ever watch a movie these days with some character presented as the noble journalist fighting for the little guy I throw up a little and turn it off.

At the moment every time something bad happens financially the media headline relates it to Brexit ignoring the reality of the financial mess in the EU which is the real cause of the instability.

Some interesting developments from the AUS election. Looks like the cuck party is breaking apart and a few nationalist style parties have opportunities to gain more voters so hopefully they can coalesce into a single party. The SJW and cuck media have already been attacking or ignoring them and I'm expecting the media to ramp up their gotcha moments and lies now that they are potentially a threat.

Blogger rumpole5 July 06, 2016 6:53 AM  

So sorry. I didn't think the first comment "took".

OpenID paworldandtimes July 06, 2016 7:01 AM  

A journalist's common ambush technique: in the course of the interview, say nothing when the interview subject finishes answering some question and now expects you to talk. People are uncomfortable with the unnatural silence and start nervously filling it with babble. That's where the juicy soundbites come from.

PA

Blogger Artemis Rand July 06, 2016 7:01 AM  

I wouldn't even do an interview with them myself. To hell with those Jew bastards.

Blogger Stilicho July 06, 2016 7:03 AM  

Typical prosecutor: over charge and repeatly describe same act as multiple offenses in case it doesn't "take" the first time :)

Probably did bear repeating in this case, though...

Blogger Artemis Rand July 06, 2016 7:04 AM  

I have been listening to an audio book version of Mein Kampf (read aloud by an Englishmen with a mesmerizing voice) and I am overwhelmed with how ahead of his time Uncle Adolf was.

While I don't necessarily agree with his final solution (although something HAD to be done as the Jews were bent on destabilizing Germany) he no doubt was onto something.

Blogger Shimshon July 06, 2016 7:11 AM  

Walter Block, while not strictly alt-right, would do very well by heeding this sensible advice. The man doesn't know when to shut up. He's suing the NY Times for libel, and even then, hasn't figured out he's the villain in their narrative. I actually sent him Vox's last post on this subject and urged him to stop.

AFTER suing them for libel:

More recently, two reporters for this “Newspaper of Record” asked to do an interview with me on Donald Trump. I first asked my lawyers about this, and they gave the ok, provided I acquainted these new journalists with my pending law suit. I did so, and then did an interview with him/them. As one of the founding members of Libertarians for Trump (thelibertariansfortrump@gmail.com) I certainly supported the Donald’s candidacy for president, and made it very clear that others of my background (economics professors, PhDs, academics at universities, business school faculty), did so too.

And yet, this sentence appeared in the subsequent story:

“I’ve also found next to no support for Trump among economists and business-school professors, a group that included a large contingent of Romney supporters in 2012. Among academic economists, I could find only one: Peter Navarro of the University of California, Irvine, a longtime critic of Chinese trade practices”

Blogger Dave July 06, 2016 7:15 AM  

I had a laugh in the Writers with Courage podcast, you were relating how the Daily Show does exactly as you posted here and Thor said not to worry; he didn't have the technical chops to manipulate the recording.

Blogger Neanderzerk July 06, 2016 7:16 AM  

Vox, I know that you are wise and I am not. However, I would love to read the transcript of a Jesus style interview between you and the leugenpresse. Question for question. If, "We cannot tell," then, "Neither do I tell you."

It would be SO GOOD!

I mean, Jesus' are great, but kinda dated @ 2kya.

I'm sure you could farm out the research to some minions to devise a suitable counter-ambush.

A few of those might go a long way towards filling the Musou meter for the Lamppost Special Attack.

Anonymous Steve July 06, 2016 7:18 AM  

The Supreme Dark Lord is right. There's no way you can "win" with the media, unless you happen to be one of the handful of chaps with an antifragile lifestyle, your own platform, and considerable experience at this sort of thing.

Even then - look at the disgusting way they monstered Roosh a few months ago. Roosh is a clever guy whose "crime" was being politically incorrect and helping other chaps improve their dating skills. For that, he was targetted for a high tech media lynching.

Blogger Student in Blue July 06, 2016 7:22 AM  

@Neanderzerk
I'm sure you could farm out the research to some minions to devise a suitable counter-ambush.

The only suitable "counter-ambush" is destroying the entire company they work for.

Blogger VD July 06, 2016 7:28 AM  

However, I would love to read the transcript of a Jesus style interview between you and the leugenpresse. Question for question. If, "We cannot tell," then, "Neither do I tell you."

You don't understand how the media works. If they can't put a story together that suits their Narrative, they simply don't run it.

I'm sure you could farm out the research to some minions to devise a suitable counter-ambush.

No, no, no! Are you not listening? Every idiot amateur thinks that he's smart enough to play the media because, of course, he is a special snowflake who [fill-in-the-blank]. I'm much smarter and far more experienced with the media than the vast majority of people, and I was barely able to come out on top of an ambush by a minor media figure like David Pakman, and then only because he was dumb enough to stray so far from his stated purpose AND allow himself to get caught lying AND because I have a platform that is comparable to his.

And even then, there are plenty of people who conclude that I came out of that ambush interview worse than Pakman did. That's how big the structural advantages are.

Anonymous JAG July 06, 2016 7:35 AM  

Talking to the media these days is even dumber than voluntarily talking with cops. Neither are in your best interests, and can lead to serious ruin.

Anonymous Rona July 06, 2016 7:37 AM  

paworldandtimes wrote:A journalist's common ambush technique: in the course of the interview, say nothing when the interview subject finishes answering some question and now expects you to talk. People are uncomfortable with the unnatural silence and start nervously filling it with babble. That's where the juicy soundbites come from.

PA


This. They all do it and people always fall for it. There was a clip on youtube of a journalist doing this with a man who simply stayed silent after saying his thing. Turns out he was a sperg and wasn't uncomfortable with silence.

But she was. After few seconds of dead air she panicked and started babbling making herself look like a fool.

Stay silent and look at them with a slightly amused expression.

Blogger Josh July 06, 2016 7:39 AM  


No, no, no! Are you not listening?


Yeah but are you, like, really super double sure...

Blogger Cail Corishev July 06, 2016 7:53 AM  

@16, Yeah, this topic reminds me of a video titled something like "Don't Talk to the Cops." A cop gets up and explains, "If I'm talking to you, my job is to get you to incriminate yourself if I can. I've trained for years to do this, and I do it every day. And you think you're going to beat me at my specialty on your first try? Good luck with that."

Same thing with the media. You're trying to beat them at their own game, playing with their stacked deck, according to rules they haven't even shown you. Just don't play.

Blogger Phillip George July 06, 2016 7:54 AM  

left wing hypocrisy and bias isn't shocking.

It's their tribe doing what their tribe does. All that matters really is their fire power. Media is just one of their non lethal weapons. So when do they EMP the internet?

Hillary's rampant corruption isn't news. She's their tribe.

Anonymous CC July 06, 2016 8:04 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy5rz1cft5w

Blogger Caladan July 06, 2016 8:15 AM  

Lugenpresse: Lying Press

As usual, the Germans perfectly capture a concept with one simple compound word.



In unrelated news, it seems the Phillipian Trump, Duterte, has been busy at work delivering on his campaign promises.

'Kill drug dealers and I'll give you a medal'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/05/philippines-police-boast-of-30-drug-killings-under-punisher-duterte


My my, this is looking like a great year for the Right.

Anonymous DJF July 06, 2016 8:19 AM  

Another item that shows that most people don't understand that the MSM are you enemy is that they don't record the interview themselves which at least gives them a record of what was said, instead they rely on the media to record it or take notes so when it comes to he said/she said they have nothing but their memory to counter the lies and deceit of the "journalist".

But even with a recording you are still behind the curve since the MSM is still the MSM because of the number of people who listen to their lies.

Blogger VD July 06, 2016 8:23 AM  

But even with a recording you are still behind the curve since the MSM is still the MSM because of the number of people who listen to their lies.

That's the advantage of insisting on written interviews. You are ensured a complete record of the interview, and you have the ability to review what you're said before turning it over to them.

Blogger VD July 06, 2016 8:24 AM  

Artemis and Steve, you're both off-topic. I merely deleted your comments this time. Keep it up and I'll start spamming them.

Anonymous andon July 06, 2016 8:29 AM  

@ #23 - everyone should be recording any interview with MSM now

Anonymous CC July 06, 2016 8:30 AM  

I've actually imagined doing a TV interview with a news-type-person and asking them: "Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn once said 'we became sick from the lies we told every day', Do you ever get that? Do you get sick of the lies?"

So yeah, don't be part of the big lie.

Vox doesn't need to be on the news anyway. Every day he gives us more vox pops.

Blogger Human Animal July 06, 2016 8:32 AM  

Nigel Farage helped get the EU out of Britain. See any interview with him. Then the old fashioned assassination attempts.

Trump's causing hysteria cause it's like trying to blow up Bugs Bunny. You finish replacing his white picket fence with TNT and then he elbows you and asks "What's up Doc?"

As usual, the Germans perfectly capture a concept with one simple compound word.

StickyBuns? Klebrigbrötchen.

Appears only to work for mean/bad things.

Blogger FALPhil July 06, 2016 8:44 AM  

@10 Shimshon
And yet, this sentence appeared in the subsequent story:

“I’ve also found next to no support for Trump among economists and business-school professors, a group that included a large contingent of Romney supporters in 2012.


Sounds like a damned fine endorsement to me.

Sometimes, stories from the Eastern Establishment Press can backfire, but I have never seen one backfire due to the actions of the target in the story. When the story damages the intended narrative, it is usually because of ineptness on the part of the press organization.

Blogger VD July 06, 2016 8:52 AM  

Gammas never learn from the example of their predecessors. Spam it is, Artemis.

Blogger Neanderzerk July 06, 2016 8:58 AM  

The problem is not the ears, but the spergy hardware between them. For example, only after the reply did I correct my interpretation of "win" from dialectical decapitation to rhetorical crowdroar. Nor did I anticipate burying the piece.

It seems to me that there ought to be a Voight-Kampff test for SJWs. Its questions should serve a dual purpose - the brainmelting effect of "Tell me about your mother", and the polarizing effect of "Say thou Shibboleth." A media lackey should fail either the hostility test or one of the myriad Hivemind shibboleths.

What I hate about the media:
1. Their lying
2. Their conceit of omni-topical intelligence
3. Their pose of impartiality

My dialectical desire is to see them put to the question and flayed in print, with detailed transcripts of every babbled evasion and inanity. But I suppose that really, I am not bloodthirsty or imaginative enough. Do we lack for documentation of their opinions? It will be many years ere we must settle for burning their dry bones upon the presses. First the street battles, then the show trials. For this, rhetoric required.

Now that I actually comprehend what the topic is, yes I agree: Leugenpresse are opportunists, shameless professional rabble rousers with a shark's nose for rhetorical blood. They sell papers to morons - nuff said. No amount of MMA training makes swimming with an open cut a good idea, even if punching the shark sometimes works.

Amusingly, I was read out of a minor position of leadership in the conservative movement for possession of an opinion outside the Overton Window by a leftist Jewish journalist who had previously feigned friendship. Before printing the article, he called me up with one question, which I straightforwardly answered despite knowing its purpose. A better reply would've been to hang up.

They who lie with every breath are never truly your friends, and are thus incredibly attuned to any emotional slight which questions their (false) semblance of humanity. They depend on your naive assumption that flesh plus face equals soul. Therefore, refusing their call sends an unexpected rhetorical message: You are not human, and I know it. This they interpret with fear unto death, for the doom it presages is written in their genes. Selah.

Blogger rumpole5 July 06, 2016 9:22 AM  

Yah got me! Touche'

Blogger Student in Blue July 06, 2016 9:23 AM  

@Neanderzerk
My dialectical desire is to see them put to the question and flayed in print, with detailed transcripts of every babbled evasion and inanity.

Spoiler alert: That's not your dialectical side talking. That's your emotions, which is effectively your rhetorical side.

There's no such thing as a dialectical desire. Desires are emotional, not logical. They may be rational, but they were not formulated by cold logic before the desire was there.

Anonymous BGKB July 06, 2016 9:27 AM  

asked me if I am willing to respond in writing to their written questions. While I'm not quite certain how that will work in a broadcast environment

We are texting VD at 3am Italy time but he has not responded to our tough questions.

'Kill drug dealers and I'll give you a medal'

Bath House Barry told the BP "Don't shoot illegal alien drug dealers if they try to run you over with cars"

that they don't record the interview themselves which at least gives them a record of what was said

Recording it does no good without the platform to show it. Before the internet (((they))) could have gotten away with giving names of fake illegal alien valedictorians and someone like Steve Sailor wouldn't be able to prove otherwise like he did last year.

Blogger Student in Blue July 06, 2016 9:30 AM  

@BGKB
We are texting VD at 3am Italy time but he has not responded to our tough questions.

That's normal operating hours for him though...

Blogger dc.sunsets July 06, 2016 9:41 AM  

I now grasp why "reporters" are often targeted explicitly in violent conflicts.

As typical, smug, insular-minded midwits, I suspect the reason for this never occurs to them.

Anonymous smedley butler July 06, 2016 9:49 AM  

"Every idiot amateur thinks that he's smart enough to play the media because, of course, he is a special snowflake who [fill-in-the-blank]."

Playing the media game is not much different from 3-card monte played just outside the NYT office. Hick tourists from flyover country always think they can beat 3-card monte, especially when there are "winners" who are in on the con.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 06, 2016 9:50 AM  

Nineteen Eighty-Four was both a work of fiction and a complete education on the nature and operation of the Political Organs (which of course include the so-called news media.)

I think the reason few wish to see it as such, and cling to a childish civics-class premise, is an innate desire for reality to mirror The Ideal. This is the same magical thinking that animates most idealism. It remains fantasy because it ignores nature, specifically human nature.

Blogger Murray July 06, 2016 9:55 AM  

On the other hand, the TRS guys managed to pull off some masterful trolling when the (((echoes))) meme blew up. They concocted a variety of hilarious "explanations" of the symbolism of the parentheses, claimed that Curtis Yarvin (aka Mencius Moldbug) had hard-coded the Coincidence Detector into Urbit, and provided different versions of the story to each journalist they talked to. It worked pretty well: most of the outlets printed at least some of the disinformation they provided.

This won't work in every situation, of course, but it can be an effective way of demonstrating the gullible dishonesty of the lugenpresse.

Blogger LES July 06, 2016 9:56 AM  

I once served on my city council back in the '90's when email was beginning to be used.
We conservatives on the council naively used the city server to communicate. Then to our surprise the liberal media asked the city for copies of our email. It was really tame stuff but the media blew it all out of proportion. The liberals on the council were doing the same thing so we conservatives got copies of the liberals' email and provided copies to all the local media. They were not at all interested.

Blogger Neanderzerk July 06, 2016 9:58 AM  

I suspect much sperg stupidity could be corrected by disambiguating this dyad:

1. Rhetorlectic - the verbal IQ loaded concise intellectual killshot. Rhetorical flavor, dialectical substance.
2. Rhetorgoguery - crowd control. Rooted in sociobiology. An axis orthogonal to intellectual depth. See climax of Idiocracy.

I love rhetorlectic and am rhetorgoguery-blind. Most dialectical thinkers automatically assume rhetorlectic when the topic is actually rhetorgoguery.

NB: Orthogonal does not mean opposite. Domination of some fora is more g-loaded than others. Sperg superiority forestalled.

The divide between dialectical and rhetorical is real, and often reinforced by hardwired biomoral divergence. E.g., the dialecticon's cognitive rhetorgogical blindness is compounded by a biomoral barrier - that which averts his ears from hearing and his lips from speaking rhetorgoguery, which he perceives it as inequitable and wrong, a trespass of Force upon sweet Reason's demense.

As with many biomoral restrictions, the practicality of this aversion depends upon certain assumptions, which often do not hold in the modern environment.

Blogger Al Cibiades July 06, 2016 10:03 AM  

The infamous Paul Ross Jeffries advised bringing along a tape recorder or video camera to his interviews back in the day for a shot at fairness. He warned that TV producers were the worst, the scum of the earth and that most were (gasp) women.

Blogger VD July 06, 2016 10:06 AM  

I suspect much sperg stupidity could be corrected by disambiguating this dyad:

1. Rhetorlectic - the verbal IQ loaded concise intellectual killshot. Rhetorical flavor, dialectical substance.
2. Rhetorgoguery - crowd control. Rooted in sociobiology. An axis orthogonal to intellectual depth. See climax of Idiocracy.


Actually, most of it would be stopped if you would stop trying to babble about the subject. Stop secret kinging and leave rhetoric to those sufficiently neurotypical to communicate with more than 10 percent of the population.

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 06, 2016 10:18 AM  

It shouldn't need to be said, but it does: go MSM-free. Until you have gone off it cold turkey for a year (or happen to have worked closely with it for some reason for a year or more) you can't possibly begin to spy on it for intel.

People who think they can spin the Narrative are like those old patriots who thought they could turn the Soviet against itself by outthinking it.

Good luck with that, comrade.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 06, 2016 10:21 AM  

Lügenpresse are enemy combatants, nothing less. Never forget this for a second.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 06, 2016 10:25 AM  

Sazerac. "Cuck-tarts" - that's pretty good.

Blogger jas On July 06, 2016 10:30 AM  

10 years of journalism experience here (in a very select field). Everything V wrote is spot on. Even in my field, bound by policy and regulations, we do the exact same thing. It's extremely rare when anything resembling the actual truth slips out. I can count on one hand the amount of fellow milphogs I work with that are willing to buck the system enough to put real facts and truths in our work. Civilian journalists are even worse. Approach with extreme caution and avoid at all costs if you can.

Blogger Mike Romkey July 06, 2016 10:30 AM  

Smart to be cautious. The vast majority of reporters are Blue Pill types writing cartoon good vs. evil stories. You're either a hero or a villain. No shades of gray. And, yeah, whether they admit it to themselves or not, they usually have the angle before they talk to you. A few thinking, fair reporters are capable of changing their mind about you once they talk to you, but they're usually not that smart. There are occasions where you might be able to toss them an underhanded promotional pitch and have them bite -- "Sci-fi writer helps blind African-Ameican child publish poem" -- but once they know you're anything but a fellow traveler you will be in their cross-hairs. Reporters are generally powerless people, and cutting down to size folks who have accomplished something makes them feel good, and is a mighty good story. An even better story than the above would involve fresh allegations the writer sexually abused the blind child poet. That's a better page 1 above the fold byline.

Blogger Student in Blue July 06, 2016 10:31 AM  

Isn't sperging, quite literally, trying to apply dialectic to a rhetorical situation?

Blogger jas On July 06, 2016 10:32 AM  

10 years of journalism experience here (in a very select field). Everything V wrote is spot on. Even in my field, bound by policy and regulations, we do the exact same thing. It's extremely rare when anything resembling the actual truth slips out. I can count on one hand the amount of fellow milphogs I work with that are willing to buck the system enough to put real facts and truths in our work. Civilian journalists are even worse. Approach with extreme caution and avoid at all costs if you can.

Anonymous BGKB July 06, 2016 10:34 AM  

I now grasp why "reporters" are often targeted explicitly in violent conflicts.

I always thought it was rough trade.

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Blogger Student in Blue July 06, 2016 10:36 AM  

@46. jas On
Civilian journalists are even worse.

Mil journo, I presume? Given how obvious and headshaking the NatGuard magazine they put out is, it's hard to believe that civilian journalists could be greatly worse. Worse, to be sure, just not that worse.

Anonymous Moonbear July 06, 2016 10:39 AM  

Just don't ever assume they are less intelligent, if you for a moment think they made a mistake they probably did it on purpose.
They have the compounded work of genius' minds who worked with propaganda their whole lives in their corner, like Himmler.
Just because they have no moral compass does not mean they are not smarter than you, be careful please. :)

Anonymous Moonbear July 06, 2016 10:45 AM  

Elaborating on my previous comment: They are the reason politicians are PC, I think the policy of avoiding them is the only viable strategy.

Blogger Cynic In Chief July 06, 2016 10:50 AM  

It's not really sperging, it's like forcing yourself to speak a foreign language that you bearly speak. You have to mentally force yourself to not attack their arguments and instead repeatedly question them about why they keep thinking about Nazis.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer July 06, 2016 10:50 AM  

I was a shitty prosecutor for about 20 months. There is no doubt that there was a shit ton of strict liability crimes committed up and down the chain command. And there is not reason not to indict all of them. Comney basically admitted he had enough evidence mens rea, i.e. negligence. He told the reason is that though all are equal before the law, some are more equal. and if you don't like it, FYtW.

Jesus, we are living in Animal Farm.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer July 06, 2016 10:51 AM  

um sorry about that poorly written last sentence.

Blogger jas On July 06, 2016 11:16 AM  

If nothing else, we're strictly forbidden from lying

Blogger Abtssyus Invocat July 06, 2016 11:25 AM  

I think it is time to build an "opposition research" library on MSM talking heads and editors. They're mostly possessed only of a certain low cleverness which is amplified by their structural advantages. When their unguarded maunderings are turned back on them, it will be like the first day at the Somme. No need to try and play them. Just nuke them from orbit with their own words.

Blogger rumpole5 July 06, 2016 11:41 AM  

Put the USA MSN in your personal outer darkness. You can learn a great deal more about actual news on the English Newspaper sites and referred websites like Drudge, Lucianne.com, and the like. The US MSM is worthless. Just ignore it.

Blogger Student in Blue July 06, 2016 11:53 AM  

@57. jas On
If nothing else, we're strictly forbidden from lying

For all the faults of The Wheel of Time, Robert Jordan's depiction of the Aes Sedai as a group of horribly dishonest and deceptive nags despite taking a quite binding oath to never lie, seems quite appropriate here.

Just because you're forbidden from lying, doesn't make it any less possible to be deceptive and dishonest.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean July 06, 2016 11:55 AM  

Even Mr. Trump seems to be talking to the media less now. And he's banned certain media from his events, which are technically private. However, he won't be able to do so once he becomes President.

At least he knows the game as well as anyone, and is one of the rare few who have had some success changing the media narrative.

Blogger VD July 06, 2016 11:56 AM  

Isn't sperging, quite literally, trying to apply dialectic to a rhetorical situation?

It is one form of sperging, yes. Notice how Neanderzerk is still trying to shoehorn dialectic into rhetoric, even though he is clearly aware of the distinction.

For some reason, certain people who strongly favor dialectic, or at least pseudo-dialectic, very strongly resist accepting the reality of rhetoric.

Anonymous Sagramore July 06, 2016 12:04 PM  

only a complete amateur believes he can somehow spin media coverage to his advantage

Don't bring spin to a military-grade PSYOPS fight.

Anonymous Sagramore July 06, 2016 12:12 PM  

@17 If you choose to run the gauntlet, then get in the habit of saying 'over' when this happens.

Blogger Neanderzerk July 06, 2016 12:17 PM  

Jehovah cause your interview to confound the enemy.

Blogger Neanderzerk July 06, 2016 12:22 PM  

"still trying to shoehorn dialectic into rhetoric"

I don't recognize this. I was attempting to distinguish false dialectical pseudo rhetoric from real rhetoric. I did not mean by the shared "rheto" prefix that both were rhetoric. I also did not mean that you should change your terminology to accommodate spergs, or interview the media for my reading pleasure.

Rhetoric is a confusing word. Aristotle says it includes "logos," but here it clearly doesn't.

I grant my first try was bad. I meant something like "flesh vs math".

Blogger Neanderzerk July 06, 2016 12:32 PM  

I considered "diatoric" first but it sounded terrible.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 06, 2016 12:40 PM  

If a day ever comes when "journalists" are being rounded up, I'm really not going to care.
In fact for me it's at a point where I look back at all "oppressed peoples" and think "Did they have it coming? What am I not being told?"

Never though entire groups of people could "deserve it".

Anonymous Lizard Man July 06, 2016 12:54 PM  

Guys, we can't talk to people or they'll figure out that we're racist morons. So don't talk to anybody, ever. Still, it's a hell of a movement we've got going here.

Blogger Neanderzerk July 06, 2016 12:56 PM  

So extending the metaphor, pseudo rhetoricians think really elegant concise equations are meat.

Blogger VD July 06, 2016 1:00 PM  

Guys, we can't talk to people or they'll figure out that we're racist morons. So don't talk to anybody, ever. Still, it's a hell of a movement we've got going here.

You're completely missing the point. We talk to millions of people. But WE talk to them. They don't interpret and interpolate for us.

They want us to talk to them in order to prevent us from talking directly to the public. But we don't need to do that. We have our own platforms, our own microphone.

In fact, that is why you are here, instead of reading the Guardian. You are the disproof of your own case.

Blogger VD July 06, 2016 1:01 PM  

I considered "diatoric" first but it sounded terrible.

Stop sperging. No one asked. No one cares. Work it out on your own time, on your own site. You are completely off-topic here.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 06, 2016 1:18 PM  

The MSM is like 2nd generation warfare. They are very, very good at putting “ink on target, on time”. Talking to the MSM is like charging at a machinegun nest while throwing grenades, sure it might work, but outflanking would work better.

And disabling the supply truck carrying food and water to the machinegunners would also work nicely.

The Internet has provided a way around the MSM for over 20 years. There’s no need to give up the “outflanking” advantages just to make nice-nice with journo-lists, because they will hate you no matter what and the freely conspire with each other to propagate the world view they have, regardless of the facts. They lie. They all lie.

Don’t make that cavalry charge at the Panzers, just say no to journo-lists. You can’t win, and every time someone refuses to associate with journo-lists their prestige declines a bit, their megaphone shrinks a bit, and that’s what we want.

If the 2nd vs. 3rd vs. 4th gen talk doesn’t do it for you, then try this analogy:

Journo-lists are to accurate reporting of reality as the average college dorm narc-informer is to real police work.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 06, 2016 1:21 PM  

Pre-publish the interview and require a link in the article

Anonymous TCC July 06, 2016 1:22 PM  

Supposing the media to operate on a "narrative first" basis in which interviews are just characters conveniently inserted into whatever peg the story needs in order to be fleshed out, it would interesting to do a bit of work in narrative archaeology.

Take a series of similar articles from ideologically related outfit and analyse what the narrative is once you remove the incidental elements. Better yet, take fictional stories written by ideologically similar individuals so that we may discover what these types of organization want to be true. (Since they create all the facts in a "fiction", we can assume it'll most closely correspond to their desire.) Compare these stories with classic narrative templates.

"The liberal media narrative compendium". Basically, liberal media narrative trope.

Blogger John Wright July 06, 2016 1:28 PM  

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Blogger John Wright July 06, 2016 1:29 PM  

I have been a newspaperman and newspaper editor. In the first case, my editor was a fearless crusader who had to wear a flack jacket to work in response to death threats coming from the drugrunners and the Sheriff's office (no, you did not read that wrong. The wife of the Deputy Sheriff phoned and threatened him). The other editor was a gormless tool of the Left, and based all his decisions on what to print based on that.

These men lie for pay. They have no conscience, no hesitation, no scruples, no hearts, no nothing. Their purpose in life, the thing that gives them a semisexual thrill of fantasy pleasure, is to deceive the chumps. They practice deception night and day, they hate the truth as vampires hate the crucifix, their heroes are confidence tricksters.

The Pulitzer Prize given to Walter Duranty for his aiding Stalin in the information blackout surrounding the orchestrated famine and mass-death of the Ukraine has never been rescinded.

That prize is still officially his, given for a series of columns where he soothed the suspicions of the West and helped hide one of the most atrocious mass crimes in history.

That alone should tell you what journalists prize.

They go to bed at night smiling at the thought of the piled corpses of persons slaughtered by Communists, hoping starving mothers ate their babies first, or by Jihadists.

Ask yourself: if the journalistic world was not in favor of promoting atrocities such as the mass rapes that swept Europe during the Muslim refugee invasion, why would they so assiduously and so artfully keep the matter out of the public eye?

If they favor not the enemy, why are they aiding and abetting the enemy?

Blogger John Wright July 06, 2016 1:34 PM  

@15
"You don't understand how the media works. If they can't put a story together that suits their Narrative, they simply don't run it."

Hear, hear. I did a video interview once about Sad Puppies where with a few simple questions about affirmative action in science fiction, I reduced the interview to mumbling incoherence. They simply killed the story. I had not the technical competence to record the interview on my end, which I should have done.

Blogger Dean Esmay July 06, 2016 1:43 PM  

I have mostly begun to implement this myself, because I can confirm this is exactly how the mainstream media operates. They already have their agenda in place. You don't even have to be "altright" you can be ANYONE of ANY position not already on the SJW/"Mainstream Liberal" agenda. Nor can you trust mainstream "conservative" news. One exception I make: occasionally when I've talked to the known-hostile press I tell them I will be recording the conversation and putting it online if they lie or distort. The funny thing is, they ask to talk to me less now.

Anonymous gxg July 06, 2016 2:01 PM  

#51. GOOGLE die verse ifys NASA JUNO team http://www.vdare.com/letters/a-reader-reports-google-doodles-hyping-nonexistent-diversity-at-nasa

I worked at NASA. The engineers were overwhelming male and white. However, the administrative staff (HR, Media Relations, etc.) were very diverse, both in terms of gender and color. The admin people constantly sought to correct the lack of diversity in Engineering and saw it as a "troubling sign" when any manager expressed the desire to simply hire the best person for the job, regardless of their color/gender. To the management and HR, this was considered a "troubling statement", and of course, a potential sign that the manager was a racist/sexist and thus, should be barred from advancement.

Here's what people don't get, even about that Juno doodle. The doodle is a lie. The solution isn't to make the team more diverse. The solution is to show a doodle that's accurate. White guys did the work, so white guys deserve the credit.

At the NASA facility where I worked, our internal Web site had a banner showing various faces. There was literally ZERO white guys on the banner. I repeat, ZERO, even though white guys were doing most of the work.

Back to that Juno doodle, I can almost guarantee what will happen as a result of that discrepancy. Someone from D.C. or wherever will blow a gasket. They will express disapproval that the team was so white and male. The next time there's a big project, they will be forced to make it more diverse. As a result, the white guys will continue to do most of the work, but receive even less recognition.

Blogger Paul Leavenworth July 06, 2016 2:11 PM  

My favorite German bon mot is 'sitzpinkler'. Literally sits down to pee. Perfect description of a less than masculine man.

Blogger Thucydides July 06, 2016 2:18 PM  

Although avoiding the Legacy Media is fine in theory, they still dominate most of the information channels (think about how many websites exist to rebroadcast the news, either to support or debunk stories).

While 3 and 4GW approaches will have the most impact in the long run, right now *we* are in a situation similar to the ROK, facing masses of military hardware across the border in the DPRK. Sure it is old and a lot of it might be defective, but they are still in artillery range of Seoul, and can mount damaging raids at any time and place of their choosing.

So make sure you and your allied have their own recording equipment always at hand. Have your own websites, social media pages and so on prepared and ready to go. IF you are interviewed by the media and choose to respond (or have little choice due to your public presence or job), then record right away and post it *immediately*. Don't give them a chance to alter it, nd if anyone wants to question you about an interview or clip shown on the legacy media, point them to the unedited transcript or recording on your own site.

While not a true game changer, after a few exposures the Legacy media will most likely leave you alone in search of softer targets.

For Canadian, the current Alt Right outlet is Rebel Media (http://www.therebel.media). Perhaps the readers might supply a list of alt-right media in their jurisdictions?

Blogger Lovekraft July 06, 2016 2:28 PM  

There was a reality show about 15 years back that looked at old pop stars in their current homes.

So this host visits Billy Idol's compound and is let into the first locked area. Idol then proceeds to delay him in this dank and rusty enclosure for about twenty minutes. Hilarious.

Blogger Lovekraft July 06, 2016 2:30 PM  

Considering that in the past few days, several major white knight co-workers admitted to some red pill truths I've been lobbing for a while, I would think momentum is shifting. Naturally, the white knight is too attached to his material possessions, but these are crumbling fast.

Connection to this thread: talk to the media like you would any possible convert. Don't cross lines, stand your ground and be prepared to laugh off/twist any accusation.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 06, 2016 3:14 PM  

VD wrote:
It is one form of sperging, yes. Notice how Neanderzerk is still trying to shoehorn dialectic into rhetoric, even though he is clearly aware of the distinction.

For some reason, certain people who strongly favor dialectic, or at least pseudo-dialectic, very strongly resist accepting the reality of rhetoric.


If you had no emotions, appealing to emotions would seem like appealing to green cheese: you know those words, but you know they don't go together.

Obviously we all have emotions, but some of us aren't so driven by them that we respond easily to rhetoric. So, it's hard to imagine the effect words will have on the emotions of the emotional.

I'm not great at this, but I try lots of phrases, and hammer hard on any that draw a response. I can't tell what's going to work, but I can sometimes tell what did work.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra July 06, 2016 3:36 PM  

58 Lying here is impossible, one can never get away with it via the Ilk.

Another thank you to the men and Vox for givng us a case study in 2016 media relations. It is brutal, (dark) humorous and survivable.

I still promote that Vox owned Pakman and Pakman lost, Vox got a few serious points across and exposed Pakman for what he is.

Blogger RobertT July 06, 2016 3:43 PM  

the media is horribly dangerous, especially if you're a conservative or republican. They come at you with the intent to twist your words into something sinister and ruin you

Blogger Were-Puppy July 06, 2016 3:44 PM  

@70 Lizard Man

Guys, we can't talk to people or they'll figure out that we're racist morons. So don't talk to anybody, ever. Still, it's a hell of a movement we've got going here.
---

Hmm, must consult the Valusian Chronicles, as I'm not sure if it's appropriate to ask someone named Lizard Man to say "Kaa Nama Kaa Lajerama"

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 06, 2016 3:49 PM  

P. Leavenworth:
My favorite German bon mot is 'sitzpinkler'. Literally sits down to pee. Perfect description of a less than masculine man.

The Germans are such a comforting people… I thought everyone's favorite German word was the one for a sleigh ride: Schlittenfahrt. Sitzpinkler is pretty good though. Makes me think of the rabbit-warren denizens who still worship Mocha Messiah.

Blogger Student in Blue July 06, 2016 4:05 PM  

Vox and other Ilk, which is more important as a whole - an Alt-Right version of the media, or an Alt-Right form of education?

Or is that even a completely false question, as whatever will eventually replace our decaying institutions of media and education not resemble anything like they are now?

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean July 06, 2016 4:06 PM  

@82 Thucy

The Rebel is excellent but I'm not sure they are "alt-right". Ezra Levant himself frequently says he's a "conservative". He's also Jewish.

Don't get me wrong. I love Ezra. Nobody has fought harder for freedom of speech.

I'm just saying.

Blogger Josh July 06, 2016 4:10 PM  

Vox and other Ilk, which is more important as a whole - an Alt-Right version of the media, or an Alt-Right form of education?

The alt right form of education already exists

Blogger VD July 06, 2016 4:17 PM  

Connection to this thread: talk to the media like you would any possible convert. Don't cross lines, stand your ground and be prepared to laugh off/twist any accusation.

No. You're exactly the sort of clueless amateur I was describing. You have no idea what you're talking about. You will NEVER convert the media.

Blogger Josh July 06, 2016 4:29 PM  

You will NEVER convert the media.

But this time it's different!

Anonymous Dan July 06, 2016 4:31 PM  

I had the idea to go to Cleveland decked out in Trump regalia. I imagined that if the intolerant left attacks peaceable me, I win. Then I recalled that the media lies and twists the narrative pretty much nonstop.

A more sensible strategy would be to go without any identifying markings and a video camera. Then when violence occurs by the left and the Pravda media lies about it as the media is 100% certain to do, video can refute the very words rolling off the media's forked tongues.


Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 06, 2016 6:31 PM  

I worked in all levels of right wing politics for a few decades. I trust no one. Ever. Ever. Ever.

Blogger Kona Commuter July 06, 2016 7:31 PM  

Years ago as a young man (back in the VHS days so recording TV wasn't as easy as it is today) I saw three news reports covering the Police breaking up a union protest picket line with batons and horses.

The three reports were on the same time I managed to see them by flicking channels.

The first report just showed the Police swinging wildly away and the union guys getting treated by the Ambo's.

The second report showed the Union guys pushing back at the Police attempt to break their picket line then getting wailed on by the Police.

The third report showed the Union guys pushing the Police around and the Police showing marbles the Union guys used in hopes of getting the horses to slip over.


Now with the internet it's possible to source the original material or footage & reports from boots on the ground. Many times I find myself yelling at the TV because they are either outright lying or omitting key information to suit their narrative.

Blogger dontdispie July 06, 2016 8:22 PM  

Is there an opportunity for a Trojan horse here? I mean you would be walking into a trap but you know it is a trap. Go for interview and then give them nothing, play dumb, speak only in klingon, act like thats the name of your acoustic guitar coffee shop band that's voting for Bernie. Something that would implant the idea of 'alt right' in viewers minds but force them to research it and read up on it on their own.
"We arent talking" works for now but it wont work forever, having consistent and infuriating marching orders could be a longer term strategy until we have enough leverage (As Donald reminds us) to force a fair hearing of our ideas.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 06, 2016 8:39 PM  

dontdispie wrote:"We arent talking" works for now but it wont work forever, having consistent and infuriating marching orders could be a longer term strategy until we have enough leverage (As Donald reminds us) to force a fair hearing of our ideas.

Simply false. We can talk plenty, just not through them. If you had a filter that took everything you said and translated it to "I'M A RACIST! I'M A RAPIST! I'M A COWARD AND A LIAR!", would you use it? That's what the media do.

When NYT and The Grauniad have spent their patrimony and become local shopping papers, when NBC is a youtube channel, and MSNBC a subreddit, when the Wahington Post has degenerated into a clickbait site, why will anyone have to talk with them? I give it 5 years, 8 on the outside.

Anonymous meh July 06, 2016 8:57 PM  

There is definitely an anti-Alt-Right campaign underway in the MSM. I was flipping channels on my car radio today and caught something - I think it was on NPR - a reporter interviewing a young person described as a 28 year old Iraq/Afghan war vet who had the temerity to use the (((NPR reporter's name))) in a triple parenthesis meme on a Twitter conversation.

Reporter went into a typical lachrymose act in order to guilt-trip the young naive kid into giving an interview. I changed channels before the inevitable happened; no need to listen as these stories always play out according to The Narrative.

Listen to Vox Day kids: he knows what he is talking about. Never trust these MSM scum, don't let them fool you into thinking that they are on your side or just want to give you a chance to give your side of the story. Don't feel sorry for them or think that they sympathize with you or care about you. It is all an act. Don't fall for it.

Blogger Student in Blue July 06, 2016 9:01 PM  

@Josh
The alt right form of education already exists

Home-schooling, sure. But any sort of way or method for more specialized learning? Pappy can only teach what he knows, and universities and monasteries, as far as I know, saved a ton of knowledge from going extinct during turbulent times - exactly what I'm fearing is ahead of us.

Blogger jas On July 06, 2016 9:07 PM  

Naw, that's why they hired a bunch of civilians to run the official papers the .mil puts out. Us ground pounders are forced to do fluff stuff and stay away from anything hard hitting usually.

Anonymous URL IRL July 06, 2016 9:28 PM  

As usual, the Germans perfectly capture a concept with one simple compound word.

True. The German word for lube is Schmierstoff.

Anonymous Scott Birch July 06, 2016 9:50 PM  

No, there is no opportunity for a Trojan horse. I've worked in production for most of my life and in television for five years. They are way ahead of you. If you've never done this, why would you pit yourselves against people who've made a great living devoting their lives to this? Don't talk to the media. You won't win. They'll dismantle your "trojan horse" in much less time than it took for you to construct it.

Anonymous Scott Birch July 06, 2016 9:51 PM  

No, there is no opportunity for a Trojan horse. I've worked in production for most of my life and in television for five years. They are way ahead of you. If you've never done this, why would you pit yourselves against people who've made a great living devoting their lives to this? Don't talk to the media. You won't win. They'll dismantle your "Trojan horse" in much less time than it took for you to construct it.

Blogger dontdispie July 07, 2016 12:07 AM  

Ok but maybe you are making the Trojan horse idea a little to complex. Look at how Marshawn Lynch handled the media:
"I'm just here so I dont get fined"
is the most scathing critique of how crappy and stupid sports journalism really is and all he had to do was repeat that one sentence over and over and he became a sensation. Everyone was reading about him everyone was talking about him. All we need is one go to line, a succinct vicious aphorism, that can be delivered in any situation and by anyone that encapsulates the message and the corruption of the establishment.
Trump has show us any publicity is good publicity but having our shivs sharpened ahead of time can help cut deeper sooner.

Blogger Thucydides July 07, 2016 12:30 AM  

@92

Well, you have to work with the tools you have at hand. Do you know of other alt right outlets, particularly in Canada?

Blogger dontdispie July 07, 2016 12:32 AM  

An example of a Trojan Horse:

"There are four lights"

Every answer to every question, every interview, every time. 4 words that say it all. That is the standard; any alt righter one statement one message:

There are FOUR lights!!

Blogger Neanderzerk July 07, 2016 12:36 AM  

It is very helpful to know that "don't sperg with nonspergs" applies here and thus everywhere, and that Standard is the sole language in effect.

Christians desiring to witness to the (((Media))) should remember that when the Jews placed Jesus at a structural disadvantage, "He answered them not a word."

Blogger Greg Johnson July 07, 2016 1:33 AM  

Talk to the media, but inform them that you are recording them as they record you. If they take your words out of context, or edit them like the Zimmerman 911 tape, you can release the full, unedited recording and use it to impeach their credibility. If they report you accurately, you win. If you expose them for being dishonest, the lose. I like those odds.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 07, 2016 2:07 AM  

Greg Johnson wrote:inform them that you are recording them as they record you. If they take your words out of context, or edit them like the Zimmerman 911 tape, you can release the full, unedited recording and use it to impeach their credibility.
A lie can circle the Earth before the Truth can get its pants on.

Blogger VD July 07, 2016 3:39 AM  

Is there an opportunity for a Trojan horse here? I mean you would be walking into a trap but you know it is a trap. Go for interview and then give them nothing, play dumb, speak only in klingon, act like thats the name of your acoustic guitar coffee shop band that's voting for Bernie. Something that would implant the idea of 'alt right' in viewers minds but force them to research it and read up on it on their own.

Sweet Walter Duranty, but some of you are stubbornly stupid. No. There is no opportunity for a Trojan Horse. What part of "if the story doesn't serve their Narrative, they simply will not run it" did you not understand?

Talk to the media, but inform them that you are recording them as they record you. If they take your words out of context, or edit them like the Zimmerman 911 tape, you can release the full, unedited recording and use it to impeach their credibility. If they report you accurately, you win. If you expose them for being dishonest, the lose. I like those odds.

No. That's irrelevant. Their mike is much bigger than yours. And everyone already knows the media is dishonest anyhow.

Seriously, all the media veterans here are telling you "do NOT talk to them". And yet, some of you keep protesting "but me is special snowflake and will WIN!"

Blogger VD July 07, 2016 3:41 AM  

Every answer to every question, every interview, every time. 4 words that say it all. That is the standard; any alt righter one statement one message:

And this is what will run every time:

Stop being an idiot. Do not talk to the media.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 07, 2016 6:14 AM  

This need to "trick" the corrupt (((media))) into telling the truth seems as persistent to some alt-rights as the leftards assurance that equality will be achieved "this time..."

This time we'll get it right, we just need to slaughter the right people...this time...

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 07, 2016 6:17 AM  

In other words:
"Once we get the SS to join the allies we'll defeat the Nazis easily!"

Anonymous Longtime Lurker July 07, 2016 7:06 AM  

I was once given the following advice by a national journalist: "If a journalist asks to interview you, inform the journalist at the outset that everything you say is on background and strictly off-the-record. However, if the journalist would like to use a quote, have the journalist read the quote back in context. If you agree, fine. The quote is on the record. If you don't, well, it sucks to be the journalist."

FWIW: I've never applied this advice because it is unnecessary for me to engage with the media. But it is a tactic to consider if you absolutely, positively feel the need to engage with a print journalist. However, caution is the best policy. It's their game and they definitely know how to play it better than their marks.

Blogger Sevron July 07, 2016 10:17 AM  

Hell, when I worked for the high school yearbook, we'd just make up quotes and attribute them to friends. I can't believe the MSM is any better. Agree wholeheartedly with the OP and other posters- talking to the media gets you nowhere. If you were to somehow pull of the knight's tour and really screw then, they just won't run your piece. If they selectively edit you but you have a recording, it won't matter- their version will have been seen and spread by thousands or millions before 10 people see your version.

They will lie to your face about on/off the record, and you're a fucking idiot if you don't think so. LL, your plan is completely naive.

Blogger dontdispie July 07, 2016 8:32 PM  

Sweet Walter Duranty, but some of you are stubbornly stupid. No. There is no opportunity for a Trojan Horse. What part of "if the story doesn't serve their Narrative, they simply will not run it" did you not understand?

Thanks for the encouragement. There is a segment Scott Adams did on Bill Maher where he persuaded him to admit that Trump was not a clown. Trump has also shown how to handle a corrupt media and it rocketed him to the top of a field of 16 republicans. I understand maybe it's not 'dark lordy' enough but saying it is impossible seems like blowing an opportunity.
Man is able to hunt bigger stronger animals because they are predictable.
Also I've really enjoyed your appearances on the Stefan Molyneux show hope to see more. Good stuff.

Blogger Karl July 09, 2016 4:04 PM  

Watch the Babylon 5 episode where Sheridan and Delenn agree to be interviewed by the Earth-based news service.

Then tell yourselves three times the episode understates the case.

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