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Friday, July 08, 2016

The predictive model

As William S. Lind predicted it would in his book ON WAR, 4GW has arrived in America and is targeting the police. Because the police have militarized and lost their moral authority, they are now deemed legitimate enemy targets by a growing number of armed individuals.
- December 20, 2014

Demilitarization is without question in the material interests of the police as well.  They have started a war of escalation and attrition that they cannot possibly win.... It does not take a master logician to observe that all the "whatever I need to do to get home safe" mentality guarantees is that abusive police homes will soon be unsafe.  And the growing Hispanic population means that there will likely be more Latin American-style infiltration, assassination, and terror directed at the lower levels of law enforcement. 
- July 20, 2013

I am not at all surprised that the police are now being targeted for murder due to nothing more than their membership in the Badge Gang. And there isn't a soul in the country who can reasonably argue that the police haven't collectively begged for such targeting, considering how many innocent Americans they have killed with shameless impunity in the last two decades.... Some protest, some shoot. If the police don't abandon their present path of violence and start prosecuting police killers instead of protecting them, they can expect more of the latter and less of the former.
- May 31, 2011

No doubt some readers will have the usual hissy fit that my utter lack of regard for the police means that I'm some kind of liberal hippy. But for those who are inclined to believe that, I'd merely ask: what is so conservative, what is so very freedom-loving, about a police state? When the police put down the machine guns, stop dressing like Darth Vader in a Wehrmacht-style helmet and start behaving politely again instead of knocking down doors and shooting pets, I'll be happy to reconsider the issue.
- February 21, 2007

In the aftermath of the Dallas police shooting, it is understandable that many Americans are shocked, scared, and upset. The post-Civil Rights Act America has not turned out to be the society they thought it was, indeed, it is becoming increasingly obvious that those terrible racist Southern segregationists were correct all along. Targeted assassinations of authority figures are not a sign of a stable, well-ordered society.

But I have neither patience nor sympathy for those who have been emailing, commenting, and Tweeting to say that they are shocked by my comments with regards to Dallas and the overly militarized US police. I have said nothing I have not said many times before. My position has not changed one iota on the subject for over a decade. I have repeatedly predicted such events would take place, nor am I alone in that, as William S. Lind repeatedly warned about it as a consequence of 4GW coming to America in his book of collected columns, On War.

I am neither shocked nor surprised that the events I predicted are taking place, any more than I am surprised that the post-1965 demographic changes have led to a less intelligent, less prosperous, and less stable country.

So, you'll have to excuse me if I'm not inclined to pay any attention to the emotionally incontinent ravings of people who are not only surprised, but observably shocked by what recently took place in Dallas. I told you this was going to happen and I even told you why. If you didn't do the same, if you can't point to ten years of correct predictions, then I suggest that you learn to shut up and listen when more perspicacious individuals are explaining the situation to you. Ask questions if you don't understand something. But regardless, understand that your emotional reaction in the heat of the moment is simply not as relevant as the cold and logical analysis of those who have been thinking calmly about the subject for more than ten years.

Now, as for the binary-thinking idiots who think if you don't support the cops means you are a murderous BLM-supporting Black Panther, let me explain something to you. Nothing the police do - nothing - is going to turn America's blacks into whites. They cannot keep a nonexistent peace. History clearly teaches there are four ways to permanently resolve the current situation: amalgamation, segregation, deportation, and elimination.

Which of those do you support? If you don't support one of them, you're not serious and your opinion doesn't count. Yes, they're all terrible options. Yes, they're all ugly and awful and horrific. So is history.

BLM is the proximate cause. But I didn't predict that the police would become targets because I knew, back in 2007, that BLM would one day come to be. I predicted it because the police abandoned the moral authority that rendered them untouchable, and which protected them much better than any body armor, bigger guns, or "shoot when scared" rules of engagement.

If you want to virtue-signal or strike dramatic poses about how you'll never read this blog again or buy any of my books, that's fine. No one is going to try to convince you otherwise. But you should understand that it is completely apparent to everyone here that you were never paying very much attention in the first place.

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Anonymous Faceless July 08, 2016 3:55 PM  

I couldn't understand your writing unless I could do the legal "notwithstanding" - two ideas can be completely true at the same time, speaking similarly but not the same.

The doer of the bad action is culpable and responsible for it. That notwithstanding, there are things that could have been (and can still be) done by other actors that would (and still could) prevent bad actions.

To refuse to consider the space of actions of all actors is to engage in the weird absolutist thinking of the mentally stunted and underdeveloped, and to guarantee more of the same.

Blogger Orville July 08, 2016 3:56 PM  

indeed, it is becoming increasingly obvious that those terrible racist Southern segregationists were correct all along

At this point I can't help but think of Fletcher in "The Missionaries".

Anonymous DissidentRight July 08, 2016 3:57 PM  

Thanks Vox.

Speaking as one of the many who are insulated from the police (and blacks) and know nothing about the issues, the correct answer is to shut up and listen.

Anonymous Andrew E. July 08, 2016 4:00 PM  

I support segregation and repatriation to an extent.

But until that actually starts beginning to happen I support vigorous policing of black and hispanic populations in America. I like being able to move around most of Manhattan with ease even if it requires a paramilitary NYPD to make that possible in America 2016.

Blogger Salt July 08, 2016 4:01 PM  

Yes, they're all terrible options. Yes, they're all ugly and awful and horrific.

Segregation is not a terrible option. It's preferable and should have been the general standard all along. Deportation isn't either, depending. It's amalgamation or elimination that's terrible. The first because it's not working. The second because... Hitler? Now, that would be horrific.

Blogger Cloudswrest July 08, 2016 4:06 PM  

I think you also need to take into account who hires which people for the police, and the psychological profiles the elites are looking for. For example, I've heard it said that you won't be hired if your IQ is too high.

Blogger tublecane July 08, 2016 4:08 PM  

Here's the disagreement you're having with some of your followers, and I think you're deliberately side-stepping it for convenience's sake. You want to say that the cops have it coming, which they do. But they have it coming from everyone. Were this an organic response to the militarization and corruption of police white people would be in the streets. But they're not, or not in significant numbers. Blacks are, because they live in a culture of cop hatred.

The MSM, politicians, and professional protesters have for four years, ever since Trayvon Martin, been hell-bent every summer--and inbetween but especially during the summer--on inciting race wars. Or at least negligently risking a race war. Police corruption is real, but blacks as disproportionate targets is an illusion. These mobs and "violent extremists" are useful to my enemies. Like they were in the 60s. That's how radical leftist took over the campuses, and that caused incalculable damage in my lifetime.

The police may not be on my side, but BLM definitely isn't. So go on all you want about the cops, just don't ignore the threat staring us in the face.

Anonymous Nathanael July 08, 2016 4:10 PM  

>amalgamation, segregation, deportation, and elimination

#2 and #3 aren't terrible at all; what's terrible will be what happens if we *don't* choose #2 or #3.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 4:13 PM  

Here's the disagreement you're having with some of your followers, and I think you're deliberately side-stepping it for convenience's sake. You want to say that the cops have it coming, which they do. But they have it coming from everyone. Were this an organic response to the militarization and corruption of police white people would be in the streets. But they're not, or not in significant numbers. Blacks are, because they live in a culture of cop hatred.

They're not yet. They will be, if the police don't reverse course.

The police may not be on my side, but BLM definitely isn't. So go on all you want about the cops, just don't ignore the threat staring us in the face.

You're kidding, right? I publicly describe myself as a Red Segregationist, I'm constantly accused of being a racist, I wrote a book on the subject of a multiracial society, and you're going to claim that I'm somehow IGNORING the problem?

Anonymous Sharrukin July 08, 2016 4:16 PM  

A lot of people are starting to realize that events are spinning out of control and that the police, even if they are out of control, do keep order.

That tends to firm up support for the police even if they realize that it is not something that is going to work long term.

For them to reject both the police and the BLM grievances is for them to acknowledge that there is no easy solution to what we are facing. Most people don't care to do that.

Anonymous cheddarman July 08, 2016 4:19 PM  

"History clearly teaches there are four ways to permanently resolve the current situation: amalgamation, segregation, deportation, and elimination." - Vox

Given the four choices, Bull Connor was moral, right and decent in the actions he took in the 1960's to hinder the civil rights movement. As it turns out, he was the adult trying to keep the children from playing with matches and gasoline.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 08, 2016 4:21 PM  

You're arguing for the demilitarization of the police but have elsewhere argued for a return to pre-1965 demographics. How are these two things compatible? I don't see how the removal of tens of millions of foreigners can take place without the use of a militarized police force.

OpenID ghost-tiger88 July 08, 2016 4:22 PM  

Well said Vox. Very well said. Had to look up "perspicacious". Bloody well done!

Anonymous patrick kelly July 08, 2016 4:27 PM  

"I don't see how the removal of tens of millions of foreigners can take place without the use of a militarized police force."

It should not be the job of any local police to remove or deport people from the country. That should be a federal undertaking, using the actual military if necessary.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 4:27 PM  

You're arguing for the demilitarization of the police but have elsewhere argued for a return to pre-1965 demographics. How are these two things compatible? I don't see how the removal of tens of millions of foreigners can take place without the use of a militarized police force.

It hurts me to have to explain this.

You don't use the police.

Hire some of the 94 million unemployed in America, train them for the required roles, and put them to work.

Blogger tublecane July 08, 2016 4:30 PM  

@9-I don't mean the longterm, "What to do about black people?" problem. I mean the politico-media problem right now. We're coming up what could be another '68, with two conventions, the beginnings of a possible nationalist or at least anti-progressive revolution, and the MSM wants to turn it into a Summer of Blood. The coalition of the fringes has gone violent, with BLM, what's been going on at Trump rallies, and of course the Muslims.

Institutional police corruption is real, and so is the fact that we live in Anarcho-Tyranny: an overbearing police state with not much to show for it but civilization collapse in several cities. But that's a secondary issue right now.

Blacks have been stoked up to go after white people. They've said as much. Someone is going to benefit. I hardly doubt it'll be my side. '68 gave us Nixon, temporarily. But the New Left won, and it won by leveraging violence into power. We can't leverage fighting police corruption into power. I want power, or at least to prevent my enemies from getting more of it.

Anonymous cheddarman July 08, 2016 4:30 PM  

@ 11 tublecan said "The MSM, politicians, and professional protesters have for four years, ever since Trayvon Martin, been hell-bent every summer--and inbetween but especially during the summer--on inciting race wars. Or at least negligently risking a race war. Police corruption is real, but blacks as disproportionate targets is an illusion. These mobs and "violent extremists" are useful to my enemies."

Continued agitation by the left in the US is likely to eventually empower a violent counter-reaction. Consider the civil war fought in Germany between the Communists and the National Socialists (Nazis). The German people sided with the NASDP because they appeared to be by far the lesser of two evils. The average German would have been aware to some degree of the rivers of blood already spilled by the communists in the USSR and wanted nothing to do with them. When the NASDP came to power, the communists were repressed with Teutonic efficiency.

Blogger Jack Ward July 08, 2016 4:31 PM  

Well. I will continue to read this blog and buy the books. I sure as heck don't always agree with Vox but, he's right [imo] far more often than wrong.
I just wish America had never come to this.

Blogger rho July 08, 2016 4:31 PM  

tublecane wrote:Were this an organic response to the militarization and corruption of police white people would be in the streets. But they're not, or not in significant numbers

The problem for the police, when it comes to white people, is white people see the police in less of a friendly light every year. It was bad enough when cops started to become revenue agents for the local and State government, but now we get to see them on camera shooting citizens.

The police aren't going to see white people demonstrating. They're going to see less cooperation from white people. And less patience. And worst of all, the police will have less credibility. That'll be a shit show.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 4:33 PM  

Lothrop Stoddard's amazing book The Revolt Against Civilization was published in 1922. It's prescient.

https://archive.org/details/revoltagainstciv00stod

How do we deal with this current revolt? I suggest we emulate the Founding Fathers and follow how they dealt with hostile, foreign tribes: separation and expulsion. And we are dealing with hostile, foreign tribes. They may be born here but their culture and value system is so different that they might as well have been born on Mars.
I don't think it should be explicitly race based expulsion, although it would have "disparate impact" on blacks, because there are plenty of Whites,(((Whites))), and others of undetermined background that should be shown the door. If you revolt against Western Civilization, not governments mind you but the Social Contract itself, or can't handle the rights and uphold the responsibilities of civilized society, you are gone. Stripped of your citizenship and deported to who cares.
Freedom of Association would lead to natural segregation among those folks that remain and a constant weeding process would help keep the peace.

Blogger Ceasar July 08, 2016 4:34 PM  

I agree with your point...by the police increasingly becoming militarized (for no good reason) they have lost the moral authority. They are looking more like the villain that scares that shit out of anyone that values freedom in any libertarian sense not to mention blacks. However, I just do not see how this going to end peacefully or quietly at all. De-militarizing the police will be seen by them as opening them up for more police shooting/murders. If the goal is to decrease the number of police/recruitment then that very well may do it. I won't complain but not sure if people living in Chicago or New York would agree when violent crime continues to escalate. But whatever. As far as the four choices,

Amalgamation - Politicians/MSM will do everything to prevent this Segregation - I think this is happening already by people themselves
Deportation - From your lips to God's ear (and Trumps)
Elimination - Just do not want to go down that road but will be last resort

Blogger tublecane July 08, 2016 4:35 PM  

@10-It's not just that people want easy solutions, though they do. The problems--BLM on the one hand and cops on the other--aren't of the same quality. Time is of the essence as regards the former.

Anonymous Marty July 08, 2016 4:36 PM  

"...the police abandoned the moral authority that rendered them untouchable,"

Would you elaborate on this assertion? The cops didn't shoot Rodney King, but blacks never saw any good faith in it. Seems to me blacks simply refuse to recognize moral authority from outside their group, just as they refuse to speak standard English.

Anonymous 5343 July 08, 2016 4:36 PM  

Amalgamation and elimination are out: amalgamation because it demonstrably hasn't worked; elimination because it's morally wrong.

Deportation works fine for Muslims and Mexicans, and the sooner the better; it cannot be contemplated as a legitimate option for blacks whose families were brought here against their will generations ago.

The fair thing might be to give them a chunk of fenced-off territory proportionate to their percentage of the U.S. population, along with resources, coastline and initial financing, and watch them gradually do to themselves what we wouldn't have the heart to do.

Neil deGrasse Tyson can solve all their science problems. Nora Jemisin can write their constitution.

Blogger Geoff martin July 08, 2016 4:36 PM  

I find it hilarious that all the same people who decried lack of police protection of trumpian whites during the Sacramento debacle are the same cucks blindly defending "our" police. The duplicity of thought there is alarming.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis July 08, 2016 4:37 PM  

(1) Use eVerify or a similar system as a requirement for employment. Regularly audit corporations to verify they are using it, with appropriate serious penalties if they are caught NOT using it. Permit bounty hunters to identify companies that are not using it to prioritize for audit, bounty hunters to receive 10% of penalties assessed.
(2) Terminate all welfare and other benefit programs to illegals.

Result of (1) -- very little employment for illegals, result of (2) -- no money for illegals from government. Effect: vast majority of illegals self-deport and leave on their own. The remainder (the criminals) will be handled by federal law enforcement.

Problem solved. However. While Trump (if elected) could implement (1), it will require Congress to implement (2). And if Clinton is elected, neither will be implemented.

Place your bets on how screwed we are.

Blogger Achilles July 08, 2016 4:39 PM  

How exactly do we demilitarize the police? Taking away their guns and gear seems a nonstarter when they're being shot dead. More training, and more realistic training, might help with decision making at events. But not much. They'll still be error prone humans forced into encounters where they have to make split second life-or-death decisions during an adrenaline dump. The tribalism and view on people? That won't happen. They deal with the worst of humanity on a daily basis. And I'm not talking some good boy dindu nuthin with a record a mile long. I'm talking pulling over their pastor and having him lie to their face. Over a speeding ticket. And with the media hammering them they feel isolated. And that usually makes groups rely on each other only increasing the tribalism.

I'd love to have the friendly cop walking the neighborhood. But militarized cops seem a reactionary evolution to their environment. That isn't going to change without a major change to society. Stop towns using them as tax collectors for their overspending. Stop Judges from using them as babysitters for violent criminals they release back on the streets. Stop races hell bent on turning their neighborhoods into war zones. Stop voters using cops as enforcers of an increasing nanny state. But none of that is going to happen without a major changes to the system and the population. Is that realistic?

So what's the solution? Citizen oversight seems a dead end. It will just evolve into more bureaucracy. And we ultimately get it with jury trials. Winning hearts and minds? Good luck. I"m not asking anyone to march into the Chicago ghettos and win hearts and minds. I don't see whites assassinating cops so we're talking persuading sub-100 IQs. With the media sensationalizing every black death by cop.

Is their a practical solution?


*sorry for the long comment

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 4:39 PM  

I find it hilarious that all the same people who decried lack of police protection of trumpian whites during the Sacramento debacle are the same cucks blindly defending "our" police. The duplicity of thought there is alarming.

There is this too, yes.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 4:40 PM  

But militarized cops seem a reactionary evolution to their environment.

That's totally false. The cops are militarized in the most peaceful, whitest towns you can find.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 08, 2016 4:42 PM  

Amalgamation is federal policy for rural and suburban America, and segregation is federal policy for urban areas. Segregation will be imposed outside the cities once the numbers are out there in the countryside.

The police are the weaponized agents of this policy, nothing more, nothing less. The violence was inevitable, as you predicted. I'm not certain law enforcement ever had moral authority, though. The militarization just brought to light, often in deadly fashion, how it was absent.

Anonymous VFM #7916 July 08, 2016 4:45 PM  

I've already dealt with others on the Houston shootings this morning, and my response is that I'm sad and frustrated. I know that this will lead to more militarization, more kill first and ask questions later type responses, and more targeted police killings.

I'm sure that this will be used by the totalitarian crowd for gun confiscation.

However shocked and upset people are, they will likely be more shocked and horrified to discover what white people will do once the totalitarian hammer tries to come down on them, through the auspices of the local police forces. Once the police officer loses that aura of invincibility and belief in the system from whites, they will merely be speedbumps.

Yet it's going to happen. The progressive SJW crowd assumes that nothing will happen to them, someone else will die to make their world right, etc. This nation is nothing but an idea, and once that idea is shattered the "elite" will find out just how not-elite they are.

Again, sad and frustrated.

Blogger Achilles July 08, 2016 4:45 PM  

@29 VD True but small towns still see violence. And they see cops dying on the television. Cops in small, white, peaceful towns across America are going to militarize even more after Dallas. Despite the distance and their demographics.

So what do you propose?

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 4:47 PM  

cheddarman wrote:The average German would have been aware to some degree of the rivers of blood already spilled by the communists in the USSR

Not just that. The (((Communists))) had been murdering and agitating and revolting there way across Europe since at least since 1848. (((Red Rosa))) and her comrades instigated a revolution in Germany in 1915. They took over Bavaria and nearly took over the whole country but thankfully the Freikorps nicely did away with them by 1919. The NSDAP, stocked with many former Freikorps members, grew as a reaction to that and the devastating consequences of the (((Treaty of Versailles))).

Anonymous VFM #7916 July 08, 2016 4:47 PM  

@29

I live in a majority white town with trigger happy police, and their shooting victims are white. It's why I also refuse to get a CCP. There's a much greater chance that I'd be shot by cops than some robber.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 08, 2016 4:48 PM  

@24 5343:
"Neil deGrasse Tyson can solve all their science problems. Nora Jemisin can write their constitution."

Ooooh, ouch. That's just cruel.

Ouch.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 08, 2016 4:52 PM  

@34 VFM #7916 : "I live in a majority white town with trigger happy police"

Where? I want to avoid even driving through it.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 08, 2016 4:52 PM  

Regarding the police, just because all sides hate them doesn't mean they're doing something right. As VD already stated, it takes police to make a police state. Now they have no choice... they'd better declare, either one side or another, either black leftism or white Constitutionalism. If they decide not to decide, then circumstances will dictate the choice for them.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 08, 2016 4:55 PM  

"I live in a majority white town with trigger happy police, and their shooting victims are white. It's why I also refuse to get a CCP. There's a much greater chance that I'd be shot by cops than some robber."

The presence of SWAT teams in the countryside sends a pretty powerful message. People should have bitched more with the advent of the "police helicopter," two words that never should have been used together.

Blogger Ceasar July 08, 2016 4:57 PM  

#31

"However shocked and upset people are, they will likely be more shocked and horrified to discover what white people will do once the totalitarian hammer tries to come down on them, through the auspices of the local police forces. Once the police officer loses that aura of invincibility and belief in the system from whites, they will merely be speedbumps."

I was thinking similarly when watching some of the footage of the police running around. They looked old, out of shape (no surprise) and confused. That aura of invincibility definitely was not there and very well may encourage others. And as some on here would know, they are lucky with the loss of life was as low as it was.

Anonymous Joe Blowe July 08, 2016 4:57 PM  

VD wrote:But militarized cops seem a reactionary evolution to their environment.

That's totally false. The cops are militarized in the most peaceful, whitest towns you can find.


This is a variation on the tried and true Problem - Reaction - Solution dialectic.

The fact is localized 3rd World environments have been deliberately created through out the USA that do require 3rd World style policing. That and the threat of manufactured and real "terrorism" is used as an excuse to roll 3rd World style policing throughout the country.

Anonymous User July 08, 2016 4:57 PM  

I respect that you have a solid an consistent foundation for your position, but I still see a lot of confirmation bias here. You've convinced me that you have an explanation that is essentially correct, but incomplete.

The police are getting played here just like BLM. The police have been persuaded to militarize and their shooters have been persuaded to shoot them. It's obvious how this escalation is going to continue. Who is doing the persuading and playing both sides?

Anonymous Rolf July 08, 2016 5:04 PM  

"I don't see how the removal of tens of millions of foreigners can take place without the use of a militarized police force."

It's easier than you might believe. What nations do immigrants (legal or not) head for first? Those with comfy welfare state bennies.

Simply do not allow any immigrant, or the children of illegal immigrants, to qualify for any public assistance, at all, ever. You want to come here? OK, then be prepared to work, die, or leave. Your choice. Harsh? I don't know... compared to what? That's what freedom requires, or else you are effectively enslaving the workers to pay danegeld to the FSA.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 08, 2016 5:07 PM  

@32 Achilles: "So what do you propose?"

Vox is not proposing solutions. He doesn't assume there is one. In fact, from what I can surmise, he has assumed things are just going to get worse and get darker and shitier. He moved to Italy to get away from what he saw coming. He would likely propose get the hell out.

Not trying to speak for him, but this is obvious to me from the few years I've lurked and commented here.

OpenID deconstructingleftism July 08, 2016 5:08 PM  

The problem is you're conflating the problem that street blacks have with the police with the problem others have with the police. BLM wants to minimize police enforcement of basic behavioral laws. Blacks are "harassed" by the police over simple offenses such as walking in the street, public drinking and drug use, disruptive and annoying public behavior, and traffic and vehicle violations.

Dale Carson, a former police officer and FBI agent, now a criminal defense attorney and sympathetic to blacks, explains in "Arrest-Proof Yourself" why poor whites have much less trouble with police than poor blacks- roughly they keep illegal behavior out of public sight, don't carry illegal weapons, and do not argue with cops. If they have a court date they show up, which avoids snowballing the problem.

I think the problem is blacks have a need to act out in public, as a dominance display. There is no need for anyone ever however to have any contact with a street police officer. Drive the speed limit, in a legal vehicle, be polite and stay out of fights in public, and don't be in possession of illegal items. If you are stopped- no reason why you should be, unless you give them one- be polite and cooperative.

The police are not your friends, as many white people still believe. They are there to protect the government, not you. The kind of trouble BLM is complaining about however is easily avoided by anyone, even poor blacks. BLM is not against no-knock warrants enforced by armored SWAT teams- well they are, but mostly they are against the kind of policing necessary to maintain an orderly, safe environment.

BLM comes mainly from the frustration poor blacks feel with the Obama administration- there is a black president, so they should be kangz, but some cracker, or some Uncle Tom is still hassling them about drinking in front of the liquor store. Holder wanted to serve up Daryn Wilson's head on a platter for them, but unfortunately the facts prevented it. Marilyn Mosby wanted to give them six heads, but so far hasn't been able to produce even one.

Progressives would like to go back to permissive law enforcement like 60's and 70's New York but that cost them power last time, and they prefer being on power. So a lot of talk but not much action is the result.

Blogger August July 08, 2016 5:08 PM  

Ferguson and onward, it has seemed like a brilliant marketing campaign. I'm guessing you are getting flak from the middle class whites, who are going to be all for walls, militarized police, etc... It won't occur to them it isn't good unless they fall afoul of it personally.

Blogger James Dixon July 08, 2016 5:08 PM  

> For them to reject both the police and the BLM grievances is for them to acknowledge that there is no easy solution to what we are facing.

Easy solution: #2. Slightly harder solution: #3.

> That's totally false. The cops are militarized in the most peaceful, whitest towns you can find.

The sheriff's department in our county (93.8% white) purchased an armored vehicle from the feds. I'm sure they got a great deal on it. They were shocked at the negative reaction they received. I'll wonder if they'll be more shocked when their budget is cut?

> Cops in small, white, peaceful towns across America are going to militarize even more after Dallas.

Not if the taxpayers have anything to say about it.

Blogger WATYF July 08, 2016 5:08 PM  

Here's the disagreement you're having with some of your followers, and I think you're deliberately side-stepping it for convenience's sake. You want to say that the cops have it coming, which they do. But they have it coming from everyone. Were this an organic response to the militarization and corruption of police white people would be in the streets. But they're not, or not in significant numbers. Blacks are, because they live in a culture of cop hatred.

They're not yet. They will be, if the police don't reverse course.


But until they are, this predictive model hasn't been confirmed (not that I don't think it eventually will be).

I agree with tublecane. This is an "anti-white cop" movement coming from blacks, not an anti-cop movement coming from Americans. The cause of this is the incessant propaganda year after year telling black people that white cops are directly and intentionally targeting them for killings. It only stands to reason that they would react this way once they believe that narrative.

The thing that really annoys me is all of my white, well-to-do (usually) Christian friends on Facebook who gush about "racial reconciliation" and "racial justice" every time a white cop shoots a black guy, as if it's just assumed that he did it because the guy was black. They're as much a part of the problem as anyone.

Cops are the real issue here, no doubt. They're jumpy and militarized and look out for themselves and they're never held accountable. But people are taking that fact and twisting it (using selection bias) to convince an entire generation of black Americans that white cops are targeting them personally.

If it weren't for that lie being successfully propagated, then we wouldn't be at the "retaliation" stage yet.

WATYF

Blogger Salt July 08, 2016 5:08 PM  

Achilles wrote:Cops in small, white, peaceful towns across America are going to militarize even more after Dallas.

Have the cops walk a beat. Get to know, by name, the towns folk. Dress in uniform, not militarized gear. Hold shooting events at local range(s) with locals.

It's hard to treat someone as your enemy when you know they are not.

Blogger Chip Whitley July 08, 2016 5:11 PM  

So, you'll have to excuse me if I'm not inclined to pay any attention to the emotionally incontinent ravings of people who are not only surprised, but observably shocked by what recently took place in Dallas. I told you this was going to happen and I even told you why. If you didn't do the same, if you can't point to ten years of correct predictions, then I suggest that you learn to shut up and listen when more perspicacious individuals are explaining the situation to you.

Nobody gives a fuck whether you "called it". Your attitude is akin to a seismologist bragging about their earthquake prediction being accurate next to a town reduced to rubble. People aren't shocked because they're ignorant or they didn't see this coming. You can be fully aware of whats coming yet still be shocked when it actually happens.

Now, as for the binary-thinking idiots who think if you don't support the cops means you are a murderous BLM-supporting Black Panther

You dont support BLM obv. You're more like a tone deaf cuckservative National Review writer who wrote a article that seemed to support the enemy in the heat of the moment then deemed to scold us peasants for not appreciating your vast intellect who has been researching this for 10 years.

Compare that to Roosh who's also being a dispassionate analyst but giving us useful info and without patting his back for being right every 5 seconds.

Blogger Chip Whitley July 08, 2016 5:12 PM  

So, you'll have to excuse me if I'm not inclined to pay any attention to the emotionally incontinent ravings of people who are not only surprised, but observably shocked by what recently took place in Dallas. I told you this was going to happen and I even told you why. If you didn't do the same, if you can't point to ten years of correct predictions, then I suggest that you learn to shut up and listen when more perspicacious individuals are explaining the situation to you.

Nobody gives a fuck whether you "called it". Your attitude is akin to a seismologist bragging about their earthquake prediction being accurate next to a town reduced to rubble. People aren't shocked because they're ignorant or they didn't see this coming. You can be fully aware of whats coming yet still be shocked when it actually happens.

Now, as for the binary-thinking idiots who think if you don't support the cops means you are a murderous BLM-supporting Black Panther

You dont support BLM obv. You're more like a tone deaf cuckservative National Review writer who wrote a article that seemed to support the enemy in the heat of the moment then deemed to scold us peasants for not appreciating your vast intellect who has been researching this for 10 years.

Compare that to Roosh who's also being a dispassionate analyst but giving us useful info and without patting his back for being right every 5 seconds.

Blogger praetorian July 08, 2016 5:13 PM  

How exactly do we demilitarize the police?

We don't. It won't happen until we separate the races, unfortunately.

Anonymous User July 08, 2016 5:14 PM  

A return to Peelian policing principles would be ideal, but it's going to require martyrs to happen. How many cops are going to be willing to give their lives to restore the moral authority of their role? How could they be persuaded to do that? The indoctrination and propaganda organs of our society could accomplish this if turned to that purpose. There would be a price in blood, but it would be lower than the alternatives.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey July 08, 2016 5:15 PM  

Excellent. Well said. Some of us have been predicting this since at least the early '90s.

I remember being scoffed at in a grad school seminar on COIN warfare in about 1998 or 1999 when I suggested that multiculturalism and unchecked third world immigration would lead to terrorism and street battles.

Who's laughing now?

Blogger Win July 08, 2016 5:17 PM  

Any comments on Heather MacDonald's book The War on Cops: How the New Attack on Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe? http://amzn.to/29VRzAx

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 08, 2016 5:17 PM  

@15 Well, you didn't explain much so hopefully it wasn't too painful. So there will be some "required roles" and unemployed people will be hired to do it...equals removal of 100 million plus foreigners. This isn't something that can be done without a militarized/quasi-militarized force that - for a limited period of time - engages in regular, intimate and often violent interaction with the public. It may be the military or other force separate from the "regular" police but that doesn't change the nature of the problem and the police as keepers of order would necessarily be involved in the conflict as foreigners respond by rioting, killing natives, etc. and since police have significant contact with foreigners because foreigners commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crime. Demilitarization is a luxury possible only in whatever white ethnostate is created from mass deportations.

Of course, unless/until rightists are in power, the police will be used to harass and tax the general public and silence the right but this doesn't change the fact that you can't have a demilitarized police force without the demographic changes that would make it politically and culturally possible and such changes will require a militarized force.

Blogger praetorian July 08, 2016 5:18 PM  

It's hard to treat someone as your enemy when you know they are not.

That's great advice, Salt, but as long as there is free movement of people there will be people you don't know moving and or drifting into and out of your town.

Separation is a necessary component of peace.

Anonymous Rolf July 08, 2016 5:19 PM  

@52 - yes, like the British who accepted they'd lose a lot more soldiers than the IRA lost terrorists to win the hearts and minds (one of only 2 successful COIN operations in the 20th C). And I don't see American pols or cops with that sort of will.

@53 - nobody whom is paying attention and thinking, only the idiots.

Blogger Achilles July 08, 2016 5:20 PM  

@43: Fair enough. I just like solving problems.

@48: But the Mayor and City Council want their traffic ticket money. Maybe find that white whale - a semi full of drugs. And to replace the local government the voters need to change.

@51: I agree.

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 5:20 PM  

If you read places like copblock.org, you see whites losing their patience with the petty stuff.
They have a higher threshold, or as it has been said, Europeans are nice until they've not.
If the local police come for guns, lets just say it won't work.

Blogger VD July 08, 2016 5:21 PM  

Nobody gives a fuck whether you "called it". Your attitude is akin to a seismologist bragging about their earthquake prediction being accurate next to a town reduced to rubble. People aren't shocked because they're ignorant or they didn't see this coming. You can be fully aware of whats coming yet still be shocked when it actually happens.

First, that's obviously not true. Second, you missed the point. Numerous people were acting as if my position on the matter was new. I simply demonstrated that it was not.

You're more like a tone deaf cuckservative National Review writer who wrote a article that seemed to support the enemy in the heat of the moment then deemed to scold us peasants for not appreciating your vast intellect who has been researching this for 10 years.

I'm not interested in indulging your feelings. I'm not tone-deaf, I'm simply indifferent. You still don't seem to understand that the police are every bit as much the enemy as BLM. It's not BLM who are going to try to confiscate your guns. It's not BLM who is going to try to force your compliance with the state.

Compare that to Roosh who's also being a dispassionate analyst but giving us useful info and without patting his back for being right every 5 seconds.

I think you'll find Roosh thinks rather more highly of my analytical abilities than you do.

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 5:22 PM  

Is thimerasol an attempt at amalgamation, or do we need to go back to metallic tooth fillings?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 5:23 PM  

@31 VFM #7916

Once the police officer loses that aura of invincibility and belief in the system from whites, they will merely be speedbumps.
---

They lost it last night.

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 5:24 PM  

deportation is segregation across different borders.

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 5:25 PM  

The four alternatives apply to the blue gang as much as different races.

Blogger Elder Son July 08, 2016 5:26 PM  

The police are getting played here just like BLM.

Seriously? Do you think the police should kit up like they were the USMC and act accordingly?

Maybe not.

And LEO's don't have the ability to say, "Maybe this is a bad idea"?

Sure they do.


Anyhow, so they blew the guy up. We all know where this is going. Why not give the cops fragmentation grenades. WP? Maybe lethal M203’s or M32’s? How about M60’s and M240’s? 50 Cal? Mini-guns? Vulcan’s? Gunships? Why not dispense with local Peace, uh, Law enforcement, federalize all police, and model them after the USMC? In full battle rattle? How cool will that be?

Blogger frenchy July 08, 2016 5:26 PM  

@27 (Achilles)

"How exactly do we demilitarize the police?"

End the drug war. Stop federal subsidies to local and state police departments (Byrne grant program). Hold them accountable (same for police unions; I'd dismantle them); make offenders pay out of their own pockets. No more hiring of Gypsy cops. Abolish programs that incentivize police abuse like asset forfeiture.

And most importantly, there needs to be a thorough review/exam of each applicant in order to dismiss those who will have a propensity to abuse authority. And hiring straight out of the military? I would check the branch. Combat Arms? Hell no.

Anonymous Dan July 08, 2016 5:28 PM  

We tried the 'gentle' approach on urban populations. It didn't work. Instead, a section of almost every major US city was wrecked in 1968 and crime reached spectacular highs until the early 1990s. Then police and the criminal justice system hardened up and crime came down. Where cops go soft, crime shoots right back up.

If it wasn't cops on the front line, I suppose it would be regular folks like me.

I'd like to live in a place where we didn't need these jacked-up cops. Like, say, Japan, or Finland.

But I don't imagine that less policing would solve the problem because America has been down this road before.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 08, 2016 5:28 PM  

@42 That would be tremendously helpful for getting illegals to self-deport and take along their citizen children with them but a return to pre-1965 demographics would require the removal of tens of millions of adult foreigners with US citizenship, many for multiple generations. It may be that this is something that could be done over a very long term with financial incentives, etc. but I was curious to hear VD's thoughts since he had seemed to predict this change (to pre-1965 demos) was inevitable and likely to be carried out in a very violent manner.

Blogger Salt July 08, 2016 5:29 PM  

praetorian wrote:Separation is a necessary component of peace.

Yes, but not the seperation of cops and towns folk. It's that seperation that needs be done away with.

Blogger Ingot9455 July 08, 2016 5:29 PM  

From The Warriors:

Cyrus: Can you count, suckers? I say, the future is ours... if you can count! Now, look what we have here before us. You got the Saracens sitting next to the Jones Street Boys. We've got the Moonrunners right by the Van Cortlandt Rangers. Nobody is wasting nobody. That... is a miracle. And miracles is the way things ought to be. You're standing right now with nine delegates from 100 gangs. And there's over a hundred more. That's 20,000 hardcore members. Forty-thousand, counting affiliates, and twenty-thousand more, not organized, but ready to fight: 60,000 soldiers! Now, there ain't but 20,000 police in the whole town. Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Can you dig it?! Now, here's the sum total: One gang could run this city! One gang. Nothing would move without us allowing it to happen. We could tax the crime syndicates, the police, because WE got the streets, suckers! Can you dig it? The problem in the past has been the man turning us against one another. We have been unable to see the truth, because we have fighting for ten square feet of ground, our turf, our little piece of turf. That's crap, brothers! The turf is ours by right, because it's our turn. All we have to do is keep up the general truce. We take over one borough at a time. Secure our territory... secure our turf... because it's all our turf!"

Blogger Robert Divinity July 08, 2016 5:32 PM  

Re: self-deportation

Great concept, but it would require the same type government as one that would physically deport. Both can be done simultaneously, of course, but one requires the same willpower as the other.

Blogger Ceasar July 08, 2016 5:33 PM  

#60
"You still don't seem to understand that the police are every bit as much the enemy as BLM. It's not BLM who are going to try to confiscate your guns. It's not BLM who is going to try to force your compliance with the state."

I don't think most people do. However f...up they may think the police are, they are still representative of an ordered society for them. This illusion will disappear completely once gun confiscation is ordered. Well at least in my part of the country.

Anonymous God Hates Cucks July 08, 2016 5:34 PM  

We always hear the NRA types saying guns are to protect the people from a tyrannical, corrupt, murderous government. Isn't that what this guy in Dallas was doing?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 5:38 PM  

Going back to the 4GW, the moral level...

BLM might have had some going for them with the shootings earlier in the week.

But now it would seem the police have got it from what happened in Dallas.

Or are there no winners of the moral level at this moment?

Blogger Ceasar July 08, 2016 5:38 PM  

#73

No

Blogger Ingot9455 July 08, 2016 5:39 PM  

As I must sadly quote from Nick Mamatas, this is the answer when someone says, "What are ya gonna do against the government, huh? They have planes and tanks and bombs!" The answer is, "Train, prepare, plan, and pick my time just like this."

Except smart people would probably wear masks and have a getaway plan of some kind.

Blogger frigger611 July 08, 2016 5:49 PM  

You're spot-on, Vox.

My dad is a former Marine, and long-retired US Marshal, hates to see what has become of this country. Other family in military and law enforcement, similarly disillusioned, would agree with you also.

I have horror stories of my own with run-ins with cops who were not-so-bright but thought they were my "better" who could lord over me.

It's really getting old.

You won't be shocked to know that I have not celebrated July 4th in a number of years. AMC's TURN is the America I once loved.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 08, 2016 5:53 PM  

"Except smart people would probably wear masks and have a getaway plan of some kind."

I think at least two people did.

Blogger Bob July 08, 2016 5:53 PM  

Col. Jeff Cooper, who formalized the Modern Technique of pistol shooting in the US and popularized the 1911 pistol platform, had this to say about militarized police:

"I have been criticized by referring to our federal masked men as 'ninja' ... Let us reflect upon the fact that a man who covers his face shows reason to be ashamed of what he is doing. A man who takes it upon himself to shed blood while concealing his identity is a revolting perversion of the warrior ethic. It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. I see no reason to change that view."



Anonymous aviendha July 08, 2016 5:57 PM  

Col. Cooper is a hero of mine. Vox you are spot on. It takes courage to tell the truth.

Anonymous Just Sayin' July 08, 2016 6:06 PM  

The problem with your narrative on this issue is that you talk about the existence of differences between blacks and whites, but you don't seem to take the nature of those differences into account.

When you consider the cognitive characteristics of the average African American, you'll start to understand why they constantly get themselves killed by police, even though there is good statistical evidence to indicate that the police are SCARED to treat blacks as harshly as they treat whites.

I know that some of your audience would be turned off by this analysis, but pretending that blacks are a) in any way oppressed b) have legitimate grievances or c) are acting reasonably is a bridge too far.

They asked for equality. They got special privileges and kid glove treatment. They still can't handle living in this society due to their cognitive characteristics.

The crude racist narrative is better than the sophisticated 4GW narrative. Admittedly, you'd lose a lot of people by adopting it, but by shying away from it you're gonna get pushback.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 08, 2016 6:07 PM  

I believe a white motorist was KIA today assume it was BLM related.

Now if it were one of my loved ones killed like that by a BLM sympathizer is BLM a legitimate target for eye for an eye vengeance?

Anonymous Just Sayin' July 08, 2016 6:11 PM  

Also the shooters in Dallas and Tennessee both expressed a desire to kill whites. Not just police.

Anonymous Generation5 July 08, 2016 6:13 PM  

This series of post from science fiction writer reminds me of Jesse Williams' mouthful in BET awards. He got a platform for one merit and used it for another. People, this is a science fiction writer with a platform. Who cares. What leaders of men came from science fiction writing sphere? Oh, Scientology...

Blogger Quadko July 08, 2016 6:17 PM  

Ten years ago I thought the whole "the UK bobby isn't armed" was crazy. Now I think it's smart not to arm officers in the everyday peacekeeping scenario, in part because of reading the historical British "helmets off" analysis from Castilia's military history books.

I still think "call armed backup" and "armed response" is necessary, but with SWAT horror stories I don't trust them, so haven't seen my way clear to a solution there.

Anonymous BGKB July 08, 2016 6:17 PM  

Yes, they're all terrible options. Yes, they're all ugly and awful and horrific.

Not as bad as being the only armed person in the gayborhood when the food stamp card goes down.

"I don't see how the removal of tens of millions of foreigners can take place without the use of a militarized police force."

If TRUMP says "I will pardon those who kill illegal aliens that have taken American lives, & MS-13 facial tattooed bangers" 1/4 of illegals would flee before inauguration day. Inauguration day TRUMP would be alone getting sworn in as everyone else would be out hunting.

I just wish America had never come to this.

Tell that to the guy who left Die verse city to move out past pizza delivery range.

That's totally false. The cops are militarized in the most peaceful, whitest towns you can find.

They have picked up more tactical gear because FED GOVT was handing it out for free.

protect the people from a tyrannical, corrupt, murderous government. Isn't that what this guy in Dallas was doing?

He was getting revenge for a crip gang banger, felon( can't legally have guns), who also didn't have a drivers license that looked just like an armed robber from 4 blocks away.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/the-curious-case-of-philando-castile-falcon-heights-mn-police-shooting/

Anonymous Mrs. Xerxes July 08, 2016 6:19 PM  

You're totally right. But I was trying to put my finger on why this seems so unlike you (I've been reading your blog for 8 years so I remember a lot of your above quotes). And it isn't that you're changing your mind or saying anything you haven't already said...but that for once you actually sound like a moderate and I don't think your readership is used to that. :P But who knows. I've been taking your "Forget your binary lines and single-cause simplicities." as my shield and sword today and it seems to be working well.

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 6:20 PM  

@54 - she doesn't get 4GW at all.

An analogy is when a couple argue they can attack each other but if a stranger comes in he will be attacked by both.
The criminals have guns in black neighborhoods. Giving granny one would work better. White is not black and white cops going into black neighborhoods where they don't know anyone personally nor the culture will never be taken well even if they did everything right. They'd still be invaders and occupiers.
Quoting statistics when the police keep hassling or imprisoning innocents http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyregion/kalief-browder-held-at-rikers-island-for-3-years-without-trial-commits-suicide.html?_r=0 and don't care won't work.
She is purely dialectic when rhetoric is needed.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2016 6:21 PM  

What "shocks" me in your writing is this reversion to Libertarianism wherein you think our diverse society is capable of existing without oppressing SOMEONE. The blacks understand this very clearly hence the BLM.

I think you still have a unrealistic hope in the fantasy of a diverse and stable civilization.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

Blogger Bard July 08, 2016 6:25 PM  

I saw a young black guy pulled over today by a white motorcycle cop. He was waiving his registration out the window like a white flag. At first I thought it was kinda funny, but then I thought maybe he is actually scared shitless. My prediction is that blacks will soon just shooting it out with the cops upon initiation of contact. Solution: stop all the petty unnecessary police engagements like stopping a car load of blacks because a tail light was out. Who gives a damn?

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 6:28 PM  

@74 No, 4GW teaches there is no sympathy for Goliath or bullies. The (militarized) police are still Goliath and are likely to get worse.

@87 Vox is perfectly consistent - if you look past the rah-rah of the cucks you find the blue badge gang, at least here. Libertarians have said worse over the years. While there is a lot of paleo tradition, the position is libertarian

Anonymous Longtime Lurker July 08, 2016 6:29 PM  

Vox once said in a previous post that prediction does not equal endorsement. That's worth remembering in this thread.

Blogger J Van Stry July 08, 2016 6:29 PM  

I just keep thinking about the riots in the late 60's and that the summer is still going to get a lot hotter, and tempers a lot shorter.

The real problems will start when the general population starts getting involved. If that happens, all bets are off on what the outcome will be. Just that it won't be pretty.

The only thing that can save the police is if they wean themselves from the federal teat. Dump all the military gear, and start ignoring Obama and the DOJ who are not their friends. They need to change tactics in a big way.

If the governor of Texas lets the DOJ send in 'their people' to 'fix things' (which is usually the next step for Obama) you better believe it will get worse there, fast.

Anonymous Instasetting July 08, 2016 6:30 PM  

Emotionally incontinent? Hunh. Here I thought I was kinda bored. This event is like 9/11 which I half predicted; this was a Bad Thing That Was Bound To Happen Sometime. Maybe when Trump gets in office something can be done. As it stands, I live in the South, and the police are mostly reasonable.

I too thought your original post on this topic was rhetoric.

Cops are insane? No. Get back to me when they are machinegunning looters.

If someone points a gun anywhere near me, they have given up their right to life. I expect the cops to have the same standard. I know you do have some truly insane libertarians opining, hi Chris, that we don't need cops and cops should let the bad guy get off the first shot, and other such nonsense. There is no real point to arguing with such nuts. I'm not going to change, neither are they. So, make fun of them, and move on.

As to Europeans, most Americans justly have little interest in Europeans opinions. For just one reason, most Euros are clueless about America. There are other reasons.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2016 6:31 PM  

Put another way, why complain about policing when you yourself know that what we are facing is a demographic collision of epic proportions?

No type of policing that we are won't to do touches any of your 4 mentioned solutions.

Why bother criticizing the lost cause of the Imperial Police?

Anonymous Dan July 08, 2016 6:34 PM  

"I find it hilarious that all the same people who decried lack of police protection of trumpian whites during the Sacramento debacle are the same cucks blindly defending "our" police. The duplicity of thought there is alarming. "

I waved a Trump sign at a polling place here in Maryland on our primary day. An illegal (I presume) pulled up with his van, got out, ran up to me, and threatened to hurt me. I stood my ground by calling the police in an obvious way while he was in my face and reporting his plates to the cops. He drove off, and the cops tracked down the van over the course of the evening, located the guy and called me with an update.

That thuggish lowlife wanted to hurt me, but I maintained the upper hand because I knew that it is a felony to threaten people at voting places and I knew big brother had my back. The thug knew his place as soon as I got on my cell and dialed 911. This was in Silver Spring, MD, overwhelmingly Democrat.

Nothing is ever black and white, but for the time being cops are far more on my side than against me. The threat from cops is distant and theoretical, for now (and honestly they could never turn against the main of the ***heavily armed*** populace; it's just not feasible). The threat from these thugs meanwhile is present and real.


Blogger VD July 08, 2016 6:37 PM  

Or are there no winners of the moral level at this moment?

Correct.

What "shocks" me in your writing is this reversion to Libertarianism wherein you think our diverse society is capable of existing without oppressing SOMEONE. The blacks understand this very clearly hence the BLM.

I don't think "our diverse society" is capable of existing at all.

I think you still have a unrealistic hope in the fantasy of a diverse and stable civilization.

You clearly have no idea whom you are addressing. I suggest you read CUCKSERVATIVE.

Anonymous Boomer Cuckservative July 08, 2016 6:37 PM  

But…but…but…muh Integrashun! Muh holding hands KumBaYah! Muh ML King Day! Muh “close the gap!” Muh Tabula Rasa! Muh “All God’s Chirren!”

HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED WE HAD SUCH GOOD INTENTIONS!

Blogger Elder Son July 08, 2016 6:40 PM  

Obama Administration and UN Announce Global Police Force to Fight ‘Extremism’ In U.S.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/obama-administration-and-un-announce-global-police-force-to-fight-extremism-in-u-s/

There are now more bureaucrats with guns than U.S. Marines

https://www.bing.com/search?q=There+are+now+more+bureaucrats+with+guns+than+U.S.+Marines&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=there+are+now+more+bureaucrats+with+guns+than+u.s.+marines&sc=0-58&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=E70D19B3F29344E88FE0B83B813FE598

KrisAnne Hall – US Attorney General, US Cities, Join UN to Create Global Police Force Intiative

https://youtu.be/FhuhHK2LAYg

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch Announces the Launch of the Strong Cities Network at the United Nations General Assembly

https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-loretta-e-lynch-announces-launch-strong-cities-network-united-nations

By the way, in the last 2 case of blacks being killed by cops, no cop had a gun pointed at them as insinuated somewhere up there.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 6:40 PM  

Redmond freaking Washington's PD has an MRAP. You don't get much whiter than Redmond, and not much more militarized than an MRAP. Well, maybe a robotic Jihadi-like suicide bomber. That's not going to go over well.

Anonymous Charles July 08, 2016 6:44 PM  

My social circle of fairly young fathers don't have the time to spare to demonstrate, especially not when it could easily end their jobs and hamstring their careers.

They won't march until it's with guns, rope, and torches.

Anonymous Dan July 08, 2016 6:45 PM  

"I find it hilarious that all the same people who decried lack of police protection of trumpian whites during the Sacramento debacle are the same cucks blindly defending "our" police. The duplicity of thought there is alarming. "

Not one Trump supporter has been killed at a Trump event during the past year, anywhere in America. Isn't that something? You are safer at a Trump event than you are in your own bathtub. (Knocks on wood.)

Blogger Aaron Swenson July 08, 2016 6:49 PM  

We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.

(((Israel Cohen))), 1912, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Racial_Program_for_the_Twentieth_Century

Anonymous Skipper July 08, 2016 6:50 PM  

Redmond is 1/3 Hispanic and Asian. You can get a lot whiter than Redmond, WA.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 08, 2016 6:50 PM  

patrick kelly wrote:It should not be the job of any local police to remove or deport people from the country.
It should be the job of local police to hold and report illegal aliens they detain in the course of their duties, and cooperate with immigration authorities.

VD wrote:Hire some of the 94 million unemployed in America, train them for the required roles, and put them to work.
You'll have to get rid of affirmative action and disparate impact first, or you'll get the TSA only worse.

Jack Ward wrote:I just wish America had never come to this.
Some (((people))) have been working for decades to make it come to this.

5343 wrote:Deportation works fine for Muslims and Mexicans, and the sooner the better; it cannot be contemplated as a legitimate option for blacks whose families were brought here against their will generations ago.
We don't have to force them out, just buy them out.  For felons, buy them out of long sentences with voluntary surrender of citizenship and a container house and a stipend in Liberia.  For those who can't support themselves, ditto.

Would we be having riots over Freddy Gray and Alton Sterling if they'd been given the option of life and a stipend in suburban Monrovia instead of 20 years in prison?  We'd probably pay half what we do for prisons, and we could put a time limit on it too.

Blogger Markku July 08, 2016 6:50 PM  

Not concerned about bootlickers boycotting our books. It's your money, do what you want with it.

Blogger RobertT July 08, 2016 6:52 PM  

I'm impressed you've stuck to your guns a long time. Two years was was enough for me. Few people paid attention and those who did berated me constantly.

Blogger bob k. mando July 08, 2016 6:53 PM  

Dylan Noble, unarmed, 19, White, lying flat on the ground, murdered in cold blood ...

last month.

why doesn't anyone know?

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-video-shooting-dylan-noble-20160707-snap-story.html

because it doesn't serve the purpose of the news media or the president.

Anonymous Just Sayin' July 08, 2016 6:53 PM  

"I find it hilarious that all the same people who decried lack of police protection of trumpian whites during the Sacramento debacle are the same cucks blindly defending "our" police. The duplicity of thought there is alarming. "

1) You are confusing Sacramento and San Jose. Sacramento was the knife fight between Trump supporting skinheads and anti-fa. The police were reasonably fair in Sacramento.
2) San Jose Police work for the Mexicans. Both literally and figuratively.
3) It's unclear who the Dallas police work for, probably not us, but the Dallas and Tennessee shooters both expressed a desire to "kill whites" in addition to police. And so, the BLM terrorists are not your friend, or someone you want to apologize for.
4) In some regions police still work for whites, to a limited extent. If we were more ethnocentric, we could make this more explicit. Some police are willing, the incentive structures just aren't there yet, because non-whites work as a team to control those incentives, while whites work as individuals and are consequently powerless to control police behavior, as well as safe and easy targets

OpenID richard1j July 08, 2016 6:54 PM  

Standing in front of a television at my place of employment on 9/11/01 at about 9:45 a.m. my utterance was precisely "There go our civil rights". I had no fore knowledge. I didn't know if it was a black flag event. I had no idea how it would be achieved, but I knew that it would. happen. I'm no psychic. I could just see the writing on the wall.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 6:54 PM  

Cloudswrest wrote:I think you also need to take into account who hires which people for the police, and the psychological profiles the elites are looking for. For example, I've heard it said that you won't be hired if your IQ is too high.

Consider the well documented communication problem that exists between those with a 30pt IQ difference and the fact that your criminal class will likely be below 85IQ. Therefore, it makes perfect sense to limit the patrol officer IQ to 100 or 105.

The patrol officer's primary responsibility, according to Lind, is making sure the government is perceived as "legitimate". This is hard to do if communication is unintelligible due to an intelligence barrier.

They probably even have data that demonstrates those smarty pants mid-wits just cause more trouble than they solve.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 6:57 PM  

tublecane wrote:Here's the disagreement you're having with some of your followers, and I think you're deliberately side-stepping it for convenience's sake. You want to say that the cops have it coming, which they do. But they have it coming from everyone. Were this an organic response to the militarization and corruption of police white people would be in the streets. But they're not, or not in significant numbers. Blacks are, because they live in a culture of cop hatred.

The MSM, politicians, and professional protesters have for four years, ever since Trayvon Martin, been hell-bent every summer--and inbetween but especially during the summer--on inciting race wars. Or at least negligently risking a race war. Police corruption is real, but blacks as disproportionate targets is an illusion. These mobs and "violent extremists" are useful to my enemies. Like they were in the 60s. That's how radical leftist took over the campuses, and that caused incalculable damage in my lifetime.

The police may not be on my side, but BLM definitely isn't. So go on all you want about the cops, just don't ignore the threat staring us in the face.


You are ignoring the current outrage about Civil Forfeiture Law and the little militia stand-offs that keep popping up. Even whites are starting to get annoyed.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 6:59 PM  

Bobby Farr wrote:You're arguing for the demilitarization of the police but have elsewhere argued for a return to pre-1965 demographics. How are these two things compatible? I don't see how the removal of tens of millions of foreigners can take place without the use of a militarized police force.

Take away their gibmedats and enforce the law against their employers. Most of the problem just got solved using siege tactics.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 7:02 PM  

Not so many hispanics (or were you confusing them with dot indians), and don't you know Asians are white for criminal purposes?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 08, 2016 7:02 PM  

Any comments on Heather MacDonald's book The War on Cops: How the New Attack on Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe?

Sure. I would have read that book 10 - 15 years ago. Now I won’t bother, because it’s out of date by about 10 million colonizers.

Question: when will Black Lies Matter set up a protest in Compton, to oppose the killings of black people by Los Surenos?

Answer: Never, because Los Surenos don’t have white guilt. Also they really do kill black people to scare others out of the area.

Blogger Salt July 08, 2016 7:18 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:Jack Ward wrote:I just wish America had never come to this.

Some (((people))) have been working for decades to make it come to this.



Yup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo

Anonymous Shan July 08, 2016 7:20 PM  

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like lacks are being set up to the the fall guy for something? As a group it seems they are easily manipulated. As all these statistics come out I'm wondering how 15 percent of the population can cost us so much in court, prison, lives lost, robberies, welfare, schools, etc. and instead of keeping their heads down they protest.

Anonymous GM July 08, 2016 7:22 PM  

Hey Vox: when and why did the police start to militarize?

Anonymous SciVo July 08, 2016 7:25 PM  

As I have said elsewhere, regarding the way that #BLM has taken the understandable anti-police sentiment, and transmogrified it into anti-white sentiment:

I blame the lie of equality.

For their entire lives, black men below retirement age have been lied to and told that they are the equals of white men in every respect -- including intelligence and temperament -- when they are really only our equals in moral value in the sight of God. They have been lied to and told that disparate results are necessarily evidence of discrimination, when they are in reality the expected consequence of the glorious variety of God's creation.

At the same time, white men below retirement age have spent our entire lives treating blacks equally. We have never refused service to a black man just for being black. We have never denied one a job just for his skin color -- although they of course never believe that, always blaming racism instead of, say, skill deficiency and bad attitude.

And furthermore, white men below retirement age have spent our entire lives under an official regime of explicit, institutionalized anti-white discrimination in employment -- especially in the public sector, which is the last place with job security and good retirement.

So while the black man is filled with an evil hatred based on lies, the white man is filled with a righteous anger based on plain facts. Living far enough away from the big city that town populations are four digits and every bar is a country bar, I like to think that I have my finger on the pulse of the white working class -- and they're pissed.

Even in the Pac NW, the demonization of the Stars & Bars was seen as an explicitly racist attack on white American cultural heritage, committed just for fun, to humiliate and demoralize us by shoving our powerlessness in our faces in our own country.

So here's the deal: I don't know any white that wants a race war. Don't start anything, won't be anything. And law enforcement is not exactly belovèd (that was sarcastic understatement). But if these anti-white bigots bring war to the white working class, they will get what they're asking for -- good and hard.

Anonymous artaud July 08, 2016 7:25 PM  

"amalgamation, segregation, deportation, or elimination."

You forgot exagmination, factification, and incamination.

"it cannot be contemplated as a legitimate option for blacks whose families were brought here against their will generations ago."

What's with all this "against their will" and "generations ago"? Generations. Ago. I think +150 years signifies something a little more substantive than "generations ago." Be good or begone, as my ancestors would have said, oh, y'know, 150 years ago. And after all, there are these amazing African inventions called airplanes, invented by brilliant African inventors, and there's this incredibly fun continent called Africa to move to. Remember all the amazing African aeronautic engineers who created all the African airplanes? There are lines and lines of statues of them, right next door to your friendly neighborhood Holocaust museum.

"Against their will"? Well, congratulations. Now you have your "will".

What, still sitting there, cashin dat check?

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 08, 2016 7:27 PM  

Bobby Farr wrote:a return to pre-1965 demographics would require the removal of tens of millions of adult foreigners with US citizenship, many for multiple generations.
You don't have to do very much except get them to have many fewer children than they've been doing.

It would even be possible to rescue public schools ("ugh" I can hear you saying, but hear me out) this way.  Make Depo-Provera or sterilization a requirement for women receiving public assistance or with children on such assistance.  Within a year the ghetto and barrio birth rates drop by at least half.  Medicaid costs fall even sooner.  Head Start costs, way down in a few years.  In 6 years, the cohort entering kindergarten is a lot richer, whiter and smarter.  Within a couple of years the lower grades of the once-unfit schools are looking better.  12 years later, the last of the big brown/black cohort has moved on to middle school and the K-6 schools are relatively decent (for places run by SJWs) and can concentrate on academics... which the parents will insist upon.

You'd also get rid of most of the demands for "diverse" teachers to reflect the students.  That lets a lot of deadwood be cut.  Ultimately, we need to bring back the civil service exam.

Anonymous SciVo July 08, 2016 7:27 PM  

Oops. That works out to a retirement age of 50. Don't math while emotional, folks!

Anonymous bw July 08, 2016 7:27 PM  

for once you actually sound like a moderate and I don't think your readership is used to that. :P

You are mis-reading what is going on here.

There's hardly anything "moderate" about taking on the thieving, lying, lawless, murderous, coercive State-in-history.

The supposed "lack of order" is the State's doing in the first place.
Blacks, mestizos, feminists, homos, and now ME Muslims have no real power but that which they are handed...by said US government. It is coercive government that has created the situation that everyone is going on about.
VD has correctly noted that Blacks can't and will not force you to do or give up anything. That is the work of the State. He is simply noting the real power that has forcefully done it - and flag waving, fascist, Statist, Commie cucks don't get that they desire the very anti-thesis that is desired by the very ones who have created the situation.
As noted above, the government is standing down when illegal mestizos, blacks, muslims and homos assault politically active whites, and ignorant whites are calling for an even bigger State to continue to stand down - again, the very entity that has purposefully created the situation to begin with. Once tyrannical enough, they will then come for the you and yours.





Anonymous LastRedoubt July 08, 2016 7:41 PM  

Charles July 08, 2016 6:44 PM
My social circle of fairly young fathers don't have the time to spare to demonstrate, especially not when it could easily end their jobs and hamstring their careers.

They won't march until it's with guns, rope, and torches.


Like Stefan Molyneux said - Europeans are nice, until they're not. Then they're very not nice.

We have the civil war, WW1, WW2, and the Russian gulags as examples of what happens when Europeans decide to get "not nice"

Anonymous SciVo July 08, 2016 7:41 PM  

History clearly teaches there are four ways to permanently resolve the current situation: amalgamation, segregation, deportation, and elimination.

Build the wall. End all immigration, except green cards for spouses of American citizens, and tourism/business visas for citizens of non-Muslim countries.

Deport all illegals and their anchor babies. Then deport all non-residents, except the above two exceptions to the immigration ban.

Segregate our legacy blacks. They've mostly self-segregated anyway; everyone is clearly happier that way, might as well make it official.

Aggressively miscegenate American Jews and east Asians out of existence.

Immediate, on-the-spot execution of deported criminal aliens that are found in the U.S. for a second time.

Anonymous SciVo July 08, 2016 7:43 PM  

"Then deport all non-residents, except the above two exceptions to the immigration ban."

That was an incoherent statement. Ignore it.

Anonymous Godfrey July 08, 2016 7:45 PM  

Who funds BLM?

Always follow the money. It will always lead you to the agenda.

If wealthy elements among the global elite, within and without governments, fund ISIS to wage a proxy war against their enemies. Why wouldn't they do the same thing with the useful idiots within BLM.

Nothing is as it seems.

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 7:45 PM  

@111 The patrol officer's primary responsibility, according to Lind, is making sure the government is perceived as "legitimate". This is hard to do if communication is unintelligible due to an intelligence barrier.

1. Don't hire Asperge's sufferers.
2. It isn't dialectic. Being helpful and not hassling communicates more than 1000 words.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2016 7:50 PM  

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Blogger rcocean July 08, 2016 7:52 PM  

Blacks have never had it better. I don't need to list the reasons. Yet, we now have the reemergence of black panthers and killing of white cops for political reasons.

Blogger rcocean July 08, 2016 7:53 PM  

Obama and the Liberal MSM are to blame. This is the follow-on to Ferguson, Trayon Martin, and their constant, endless, war on whites and police officers.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2016 7:54 PM  

@Vox.."It hurts me to have to explain this.

You don't use the police."

And they are going to do this precisely how? Giving away free puppies and stickers?

If you can't stomach what the police are doing today what do you suppose you're going to feel when it is "nation v nation"?

We're in the day of the footmen but I think the horsemen are inside the horizon.

Blogger rcocean July 08, 2016 7:54 PM  

"Always follow the money. It will always lead you to the agenda."

Yep, the agenda is clear. Will people wake up in time?

Blogger rcocean July 08, 2016 7:54 PM  

Obama and the Liberal MSM are to blame. This is the follow-on to Ferguson, Trayon Martin, and their constant, endless, war on whites and police officers.

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 7:59 PM  

@94 Cops are insane? No. Get back to me when they are machinegunning looters.
If someone points a gun anywhere near me, they have given up their right to life. I expect the cops to have the same standard

Cops are specifically trained to be paranoid today - paranoia is a form of insanity. If they even think you might have any kind of weapon they will shoot you - not "point a gun anywhere near" - and be justified because they are paranoid - "I was in fear of my life". They don't "machine gun" people but they do empty entire clips and continue firing after they've stopped moving because they are dead. Of course if they simply are beating them to death, they chant the "quit resisting!" magic words as if someone whose cerebral spinal fluid and blood is dripping from their head could resist. But that is just more "justifiable" force.

Meanwhile Pat Toomey wants to keep the police militarized.

That is the exact point.

Blogger Angus Mackenzie July 08, 2016 8:04 PM  

I've got very little respect for American cops; most are lower sociosexual status men on petty power trips. You know a country is insane when it's being ravaged by drug gangs and the cops' biggest effort is enforcing parking meters and pulling over speeders.

We need to downgrade the role of the police to handling petty crime and entrust the National Guard to the task of pacifying the ghettos and busting organized crime. The police are a worthless organization.

Blogger Derek Kite July 08, 2016 8:04 PM  

I'm not in the us, but I know personally two instances where white middle aged businesse guys were beaten by cops for no reason. Absolute out of control cops who knew they could get away with it.

BLM is making noise, whatever. Whoever has the least to lose starts shooting first, and it has started.

This is incredibly ugly and is going to get worse. Police states don't work. Societal cohesion does. Very well. A rogue cop in a stable society finds himself in a ditch with his head beaten in. After multiple opportunities to straiten out or get fired.

We call for Muslims to expose the dangerous in their midst. I call for the police to do the same.

By God we desperately need someone to act like an adult here. Morale and effectiveness would improve in the police departments as well.

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 8:05 PM  

@130 1950-60 Blacks had it better, if you consider intact families, blue collar jobs, and otherwise a normal middle class life better than the gang-bang, or even the rat-race for the few that can go white collar.

Anonymous JAG July 08, 2016 8:09 PM  

Three things have to change first to get this cop problem under control.

1) You can't lie to cops, but cops can lie to you. This violates equal protection.

2) Ignorance of law must apply to cops. The courts have recently ruled that cops can go right ahead with being ignorant of the law, but citizens have no leeway with a legal code that is 100s of thousands of pages long.

3) The law must be applied to all equally. Letting Clinton off of obvious felonies while most people have the book thrown at them for the smallest of infractions is not going to lead to good things.

Anonymous Supernaut July 08, 2016 8:10 PM  

Folks, the militarization of police is not just some evolution that came about organically with the availability of surplus military gear to enhance the war on drugs effort.

It's been quite deliberate and the reasoning for it is certainly specific - THEY are training up all of the Police forces nationwide to prepare for civil unrest and working in coordination with Federal agencies to effect Martial Law when the time comes.

I train martial arts with more than a few LEO, and I also am good friends with a recently retired high ranking officer. He retired 4 years earlier than he could have to max out his pension. His reason?

The militarization of the police force and the constant training and programs for all the officers at every level of the departments preparing for martial law. According to him, all of the training, seminars, programs etc., all discuss the coming martial law as matter of fact and inevitable. Not "if" but "when."

As a veteran and a guns rights oath keeper, he sees what's coming down the pike quite clearly, and he wanted to get out before the time comes and he would be forced to choose between obeying orders from the Fed Gov and his conscience as an American citizen.

Take it for what it's worth. They militarized the police because they are deliberately and specifically training them up to in fact become an occupying military force to effect a total police state.

Anonymous #8601 Jean Valjean July 08, 2016 8:14 PM  

Every time Vox writes a post like this, I buy another weapon.

Anonymous map July 08, 2016 8:15 PM  

Yes, it is true that there is a war on cops, especially white cops. Yes, it is true that BLM is dangerous. But does anyone really think police officers are the thin blue line protecting (White) civilization from barbarism? Does that kind of duty really register with modern police forces?

No matter how dangerous blacks may be, you cannot have cops executing civilians just because they are scared or angry. It should be a no-brainer that seeing something like that on youtube is homicide and that cops should be treated accordingly. No need to defend them about their tough jobs and how much crap they see.

These extreme methods are not there to protect White people. You can see by how the cops stood by when Trump supporters were attacked.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2016 8:26 PM  

@Vox,

"
You clearly have no idea whom you are addressing. I suggest you read CUCKSERVATIVE."

And yet you still think criticising the police as if they are a solution to what you have analyzed to be an insoluble problem. The fact I'd the elites are using them every bit as much as the BLM to turn this country into Brazil.

Neither the police nor the BLM are taking advise from the likes of us.

Kinder policing isn't going to cut it. That seems to be what you are saying is your take away from 4GW. It contradicts.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 08, 2016 8:30 PM  

Also, I have been reading you and commenting on your writing since you were over at WND. That doesn't make us pen pals but it doesn't make me uninformed about your position.

Anonymous Rolf July 08, 2016 8:33 PM  

@100 - Jack, if you are local-ish to the Redmond area, we should get together some time - I'm not a long way from there... Any other Puget Sound Ilk here today? Drop me a line.

Anonymous BGKB July 08, 2016 8:40 PM  

I posted before about the crip felon gangbanger, here is the rap list of the child sex offender, who illegally had a gun.
Sterling's mother told the media that Sterling had a prior history with police including felony arrests. Court records show his arrest history includes:
•9/09/96: Aggravated battery
•10/31/97: Second-degree battery
•1/06/98: Simple battery
•5/04/00: Public intimidation
•9/20/00: Carnal knowledge of a juvenile
•9/04/01: Domestic violence
•5/24/05: Burglary of an inhabited dwelling place
•7/11/05: Receiving stolen things
•9/12/05: Burglary of inhabited dwelling place
•3/17/06: Simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery
•4/12/06: Aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry
•4/04/08: Domestic abuse battery
•6/03/09: Resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent
•10/12/09: Illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession
•8/13/15: Failure to register as a sex offender
•4/08/16: Failure to register as a sex offender
•6/14/16: Ecstasy and marijuana possession

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 8:45 PM  

tz wrote:@111 The patrol officer's primary responsibility, according to Lind, is making sure the government is perceived as "legitimate". This is hard to do if communication is unintelligible due to an intelligence barrier.

1. Don't hire Asperge's sufferers.

2. It isn't dialectic. Being helpful and not hassling communicates more than 1000 words.


1. even if they can test for it; then they will have to accommodate for it per the EEOC.

2. Those smarty-pants nerds use big words like 'niggardly' which makes everyone feel bad no matter how hard they try to be nice.

If you can't cheat the IQ test enough to hit 100; maybe you aren't that smart after all.

Blogger Bob Loblaw July 08, 2016 8:49 PM  

The problem for the police, when it comes to white people, is white people see the police in less of a friendly light every year.

White people are going to tolerate a lot from the police as long as they keep black criminals out of white neighborhoods.

We're really headed into Pournelle's "anarcho-tyranny" territory, where cops won't go into back neighborhoods to investigate a gang shootout, but if you live somewhere nice they have plenty of time to give you that jaywalking ticket.

Anonymous Instasetting July 08, 2016 8:51 PM  

TZ, I'm stating a reasonable standard of behavior in response to some insane commenters who pretend they are giving fair-minded advice to cops, but actually think we should get rid of cops.

By your standard, three-fourths of Vox's commenters are insane, along with me. A little paranoia is not insanity. Its annoying having to deal with partisan hacks who want to redefine what everyone understands so they can indulge in inflammatory rhetoric. Its fun, and maybe useful, but its not dialetic.

Hyperviolent? Hah. Insane? Hah. Overly militarized? Sure.

==============

Question: I've heard that in Canada if the cops tell you 'stay here', and then run off to deal with someone else, and come back, you'd better be there, or they will find you and beat the crud out of you. Is this true?

Anonymous Jeff July 08, 2016 8:52 PM  

So I happened to be in DC for a meeting today, and I decided to grab dinner at Old Ebbitt Grill and walk by the White House.

Wouldn't you know it, a BLM protest was going on, and there were several people addressing a circled-up crowd in turn, with applause after each one was finished.

The best part was when the apparent "MC" of the assembly closed out the protest, by inviting everyone to return tomorrow.

His way of letting everyone know what time to arrive was fantastic.

"Six o'clock. That's sixteen hundred."

Thought I mis-heard him, but he said it two more times just like that.

I couldn't help but laugh.

Blogger Noah B July 08, 2016 8:52 PM  

I find it hilarious that all the same people who decried lack of police protection of trumpian whites during the Sacramento debacle are the same cucks blindly defending "our" police. The duplicity of thought there is alarming.

Of course there's the fact that Dallas is not San Jose, and Dallas recently handled protestors at a Trump rally rather professionally. Requires knowing that these are different departments, and all that this entails.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 8:59 PM  

The problem is not the gear. The problem, if there truly is one, is one of training/culture within individual police departments.

Otherwise, people freaking out over "Darth Vader" gear aren't because of some objective capability of said gear, it is sensationalism driven by the media.

And Vox, you are falling into that same category on this one.

Anyone with a military background (which you don't have) or takes learning about such seriously (which you do) will know that the action and discipline of troops depends entirely on their training. If their training is piss-poor, if the supporting culture in their unit is crap, you will get what you get in the field.

Regardless of how they are equipped.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 9:00 PM  

Noah B wrote:I find it hilarious that all the same people who decried lack of police protection of trumpian whites during the Sacramento debacle are the same cucks blindly defending "our" police. The duplicity of thought there is alarming.

Of course there's the fact that Dallas is not San Jose, and Dal las recently handled protestors at a Trump rally rather professionally. Requires knowing that these are different departments, and all that this entails.


Holding two ideas in your head at once for comparison? What is this alchemy?

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 9:03 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:Regardless of how they are equipped.

There is a book for that: https://www.amazon.com/Generation-Warfare-Handbook-William-Lind-ebook/dp/B017IP1JM2

The training will inform how they are equipped. Dressing like Darth Vader is counter productive to effective policing.

Anonymous Fisk Ellington Rutledge III July 08, 2016 9:04 PM  

Since the 60s and the "liberation" of lively vibrants and the vast increase in their numbers there has been a corresponding vast increase in violent crime. In addition to Blacks who have ALWAYS been a problem we now have huge numbers of Mexicans and Asians who are many times more lively and criminal than Whites. Police have to deal with these extremely dangerous people in which entire neighborhoods and jurisdictions support the criminals and hate the police. In this situation you have conditions analogous to the Vietnam War in which the nonWhite enemy does not play by civilized rules.

The police have been forced to respond to this by meeting violence with violence. Since we now have a Fourth-Generation War in the U.S., the police have had to adjust their training in the direction of militarization. No amount of "politeness" or measured responses are going to gain any respect or cooperation at all from our nonWhite hordes.

But since we are ruled by Leftist tyrants, the country is infected with the social pathology of racial marxism in which Whites are the primary object of hostility in order to lower them to the lowest common denominator of Blacks and Mexicans, etc. This is classic communist doctrine in which the successful are targeted as well as the criminal and parasitic. Therefore the police are rigorously trained to treat Whites exactly as they treat third world savages.

If the police only used draconian, militarized tactics against Blacks and Mexicans, that would be perfectly appropriate. But Leftist imbeciles insist on equality of outcome and hold the false assumption of disparate impact. Therefore Whites must be treated exactly like the nonWhite savages. That is the problem.

Since we are in a Fourth Generation War situation because of nonWhites, the police MUST treat these people with brutality and violence. Somebody is going to have to do this. The police are doing it now to the extent that they are allowed to. This is good. But the police are, at some point, going to have to understand that their Leftist masters are as much the enemy as nonWhites, while the vast majority of Whites are either benign or their allies. The ONLY problem with the police right now is that they are caught between their Leftist masters who are on the side or nonWhites and the need to actually do what they are supposed to do and fight the nonWhite savages.

I remember back in the 60s when we said we had to fight the Communists in Vietnam so we wouldn't have to fight them in L.A. Well, now we have to fight the communists and their nonWhite allies in L.A. and the rest of the country. White police will eventually act accordingly as will White military men.

As you've so often stated, open war in the U.S. won't be pretty, but it's obvious that it's already started.

Blogger Stephen Davenport July 08, 2016 9:04 PM  

Ahh, so Vox's libertarian anti-cop colors surfaces..lol..and yes you have the libertarian "cops are to militarized" bullshit pose. Has nothing to do with the fucking cops running around in bearcats, carrying AR-15's, or think they are all that and a cup of tea. Do not know where you are getting this shit from but it is shit(It's amusing an idiot in Italy likes to talk shit about a country he no longer lives in or likes). There is a sickness in some of our communities being propagated and nurtured by some on the left. When there is consistent rhetorical attacks on the police, violence will eventually occur ie Dallas. The police do have problems but riding in military vehicles or thinking their shit don't stink is not the main one. The leftists are abusing minority communities and that is where the violence comes from.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 9:08 PM  

"The training will inform how they are equipped."

No, it won't. The training isn't just in the use of the equipment. It is how it is to be used, when it is to be used, the context of the thing.

A "darth vader suit" is just that, a suit. It is not a magical talisman that takes over a cop or a soldier. They will fight as they train, not as they dress.

Anonymous johnc July 08, 2016 9:17 PM  

If you went back to the 1920s, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if you'd find cops commonly bashing people's skulls in and getting away with it. Nowadays everyone has a camera to show what really happened, and they can spread the video evidence broadly and quickly.

The whole nation is becoming more barbaric. That's just a consequence of putting God on the back burner.

The primary issue -- which is that cops are above the law -- has probably been around since dirt was created.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 9:25 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:"The training will inform how they are equipped."

No, it won't. The training isn't just in the use of the equipment. It is how it is to be used, when it is to be used, the context of the thing.

A "darth vader suit" is just that, a suit. It is not a magical talisman that takes over a cop or a soldier. They will fight as they train, not as they dress.


Apparently you didn't RTFB.

"what they wear" has 3 effects: moral, physical, intellectual.

Those effects both the guy wearing it and the people he contacts.

Lets lay it out:
- Physical: win for the cop, harder to hurt; lose for the mission, slower response with heavy gear (more people get away) and more officers stay in AC cruisers.
- Moral (feelings/rhetoric): win for the cop, he feels tougher; lose for the mission, tougher feeling cops act like assholes
- Intellectual: lose for the cop, nobody wants to talk to Darth Vader; lose for the mission, cop doesn't gather the intel on the street...his main freaking mission.

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 9:31 PM  

@136 Gammas with guns.

@137 One I can provide a dozen... I can't find the "mistaken identity" where someone innocent who had an alibi since he worked and was filmed at a Casino was beaten and held in jail for two weeks.

@142 Militarized police declared war on civilians, read some of the earlier posts where 2 kinds of civilians, those in jail and those who belong there. Only one side needs to declare war and the Cops were the ones that did so.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 9:32 PM  

Breaking down the layout...

1. Physical-yes, can/does have all those effects, but all those are tactical considerations, Right tool for the job, not one size fits all. And if there is a chance of a perp fleeing, PLAN FOR IT.
2. Moral-"Tough" again comes from training and awareness. But increased toughness does not automatically make you an asshole, unless a. bad character and/or b. BAD TRAINING. You want those who thsoe who may have to fight in the course of their jobs to be tough and be confident in their toughness. But at the same time, have the training and awareness to know when it is appropriate to exercise it. And sometimes it most certainly is. It is just one tool again in the box and appropriate use of too, again falls back to TRAINING and CULTURE.

3. Again, use as appropriate for the scenario.

TRaining and context is all.

Blogger weka July 08, 2016 9:32 PM  

We all know where this is going. Why not give the cops fragmentation grenades. WP? Maybe lethal M203’s or M32’s? How about M60’s and M240’s? 50 Cal? Mini-guns? Vulcan’s? Gunships? Why not dispense with local Peace, uh, Law enforcement, federalize all police, and model them after the USMC? In full battle rattle? How cool will that be?

All fourth generation wars are won on the moral and political level. Now... thinking about what the Kiwis and Aussies do in COIN, and what mistakes we have made, some suggestions.

1. Can the battle rattle and the armoured cars.
2. Wear a traditional uniform. Stetson hat and cowboy boots would work. Carry a hand (one) obviously -- in NZ you would carry a truncheon.
3. Walk the streets. In riots, use horses.
4. Attend the local neighbourhood churches. In uniform, respectfully, but listening to the ladies talk. Don't attend the mosques: they are being closed. (Deport and segregate).
5. Work out what you are going to arrest -- crimes on property, careless driving. Generally, things you don't give fines for.
6. Get rid of the SWAT squad.
7. Coach crossfit, football and boxing. In the area you are patrolling. ,The neighbourhoods will nicely segregate themselves. Ideally the young men compete at football and the older men in the master's games.

Yes, some cops will die. But you will get the support of the people. In Iraq, the Kiwis got rid of their helmets ASAP and walked around -- because you get more intel from talking than cruising in a car. (and when the CIA supported wombles took over, it all went to shit)

And finally, stop fleecing people for being five mph over the limit. You want goodwill. You are not an occupying power.

This would work. It works elsewhere. But it requires something American Politicians lack: moral courage.

Blogger weka July 08, 2016 9:34 PM  

Should read handgun. Your rifle is on the horse or in the boot (trunk) of your car.

Blogger Bob Loblaw July 08, 2016 9:35 PM  

Otherwise, people freaking out over "Darth Vader" gear aren't because of some objective capability of said gear, it is sensationalism driven by the media.

I disagree. How you dress affects how you act. It also affects how people respond to you. When cops show up to your house dressed like ninjas and wearing ski masks the message you're getting isn't "we're here to talk to you".

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 9:41 PM  

@154 Since we are in a Fourth Generation War situation because of nonWhites, the police MUST treat these people with brutality and violence.

You are a total idiot or have not read one word of WS Lind. Treating people with brutality and violence is the way to LOSE AT THE MORAL LEVEL and that is where 4GW is won or lost.

The books are not expensive and On War is online at military.com in the archives for free. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

(It is no small thing - I had to introduce some of my local friends to 4GW but they now get it, so it will be interesting if it escalates; I don't think it will happen since we aren't "diverse", but if they want to cry havoc and loose the dogs of war, our ridgebacks, huskys, pit bulls etc. will make short work of their Poodles, Yorkies, and Chihuahuas. [reference to the French, NYC, and Mexico intentional]).

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 9:41 PM  

"how you dress affects how you act"

Only if you let it. Only if your training sucks. Only if you lack self awareness.

When you put on a Starfleet uniform, do you really act like you are on an away team and preparing a Captain's Log?

No.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 08, 2016 9:42 PM  

The "Darth Vader Suit" is a uniform, and it carries a message. The message is intentional.
"Do not defy or challenge me, or I will kill you."

Blogger tz July 08, 2016 9:45 PM  

@161 exactly. Except if they dressed as cowboys here, no one could tell who they were unless they had a star or badge or something.
The cops have uniforms but otherwise are hard to distinguish.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 9:47 PM  

No, that is what YOU see, re. the Darth Vader suit.

I just see a guy in a suit.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 9:53 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:TRaining and context is all.

Context: is an individual police officer an infantryman or a scout?

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 9:58 PM  

It depends on the cop and on the assignment. That is like asking, is the individual police officer a patrolman, detective or IA?

Depends.

There are situations that can occur that would require cops trained as infantry (we call them SWAT). Cops trained in handling explosives, etc etc.

All cops need fighting ability and weapons, but a patrolman does not need to be an infantrymen. BUT...especially in big cities, having specialized officers on tap with such skills is useful. Especially if the bad guys they go up against may have heavy weapons and equipment.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 10:01 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:No, that is what YOU see, re. the Darth Vader suit.

You almost get it. It isn't all about YOU. The mission is the way OTHER PEOPLE see you. This is why bankers wear white shirts and ties; not black pin stripped suits or biker leather.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 10:04 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:It depends on the cop and on the assignment. That is like asking, is the individual police officer a patrolman, detective or IA?

Depends.

There are situations that can occur that would require cops trained as infantry (we call them SWAT). Cops trained in handling explosives, etc etc.

All cops need fighting ability and weapons, but a patrolman does not need to be an infantrymen. BUT...especially in big cities, having specialized officers on tap with such skills is useful. Especially if the bad guys they go up against may have heavy weapons and equipment.


OK, so very close. SWAT = infantry. We can agree roughly on this.

The patrol officer's job; is he scouting for intel or assaulting civilians? Keep in mind; the scout's job is to call steel on target.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 08, 2016 10:07 PM  

I just see a guy in a suit.

Speaking of Darth Vader, the sperg is strong in this one.

If there's an assignment where a man has to be evicted from his own home because his wife got a restraining order, and he's refusing to go but hasn't threatened anyone or shown a weapon, there's a difference between the cop who armors up and goes prepared to put on a show of overwhelming force, and the one who knocks on the door and presents himself as a peace officer. And no, it doesn't depend on his training; that choice reflects his training, and indicates how he's probably going to handle the situation, especially if it gets tense.

Anonymous Godfrey July 08, 2016 10:09 PM  

Part of the problem is that police officers see themselves as an occupying force.

Has anyone not had to deal with officer "steroids" at least once in his life?

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 10:10 PM  

OK, so very close. SWAT = infantry. We can agree roughly on this.

The patrol officer's job; is he scouting for intel or assaulting civilians? Keep in mind; the scout's job is to call steel on target.

Neither. I've never said the patrol guy would wear the "Darth Vader Suit". IMO, he should wear something that identifies him clearly as a cop, something that is official, serious, but not scary. Something that allows civilians to see their face and have close contact.

Things like this "Darth Vader Suit" and the like are specialized gear for specialized units. You aren't going to be on a foot patrol mingling with civilians in it.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 10:13 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:OK, so very close. SWAT = infantry. We can agree roughly on this.

The patrol officer's job; is he scouting for intel or assaulting civilians? Keep in mind; the scout's job is to call steel on target.

Neither. I've never said the patrol guy would wear the "Darth Vader Suit". IMO, he should wear something that identifies him clearly as a cop, something that is official, serious, but not scary. Something that allows civilians to see their face and have close contact.

Things like this "Darth Vader Suit" and the like are specialized gear for specialized units. You aren't going to be on a foot patrol mingling with civilians in it.


Simple question: all black BDU or light blue shirt and un-bloused pants with piping?

Do you think it makes a difference?

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 10:16 PM  

Now you are getting into details and I don't think a one size fits all works. It depends on the local department. Depends on the culture.

Some might work with the traditional police cap. Some might work with a stetsen. Some might work with baseball caps. It all depends. The important thing is, in the uniform, is that it clearly identifies the officer as such and that the face is visible.

The rest comes down to training.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 08, 2016 10:22 PM  

Found this on infowars, which strangely enough, is of the same topic as Vox today. This doesn't involve the shooting, or BLM, but the border, and they get massively harassed at the border by up to 4 different police type agencies.

https://youtu.be/NUkamO4epdk

Blogger The Other Robot July 08, 2016 10:22 PM  

I am certainly going to be reading the blog again and the books I am sure will be published by Castalia House.

However, I suspect that things have gone too far down the road of racial conflict for any party to step back, and segregation is the only solution, but the Federal Beast will not let that happen.

So, I think we are headed, at an accelerated pace, for that race war we have been promised.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 10:41 PM  

White people are going to tolerate a lot from the police as long as they keep black criminals out of white neighborhoods.

What happens when the SJW-led PD instead focuses it's energy on preventing the whites from keeping the blacks out?

Regarding the Darth Vader suit
"how you dress affects how you act"

Only if you let it. Only if your training sucks.


Their training does suck. So yes, it does affect them.

When you put on a Starfleet uniform, do you really act like you are on an away team and preparing a Captain's Log?

We're not talking CosPlay at PedoFest'16 here. It's not a costume they put on - it's a work uniform. They wear it to work. Uniforms have three purposes:

1 - they instill a sense of belonging. You belong to the group of other people wearing the same uniform. You are team-mates. You are expected to support each other - that's what teammates do.

2 - They tell other people what team you belong to and how they should respond to you - based on the reputation your team has and the relationship your team has established with the other people. If you're wearing the Darth Vader suit, you're on the Darth Vader team, and people respond to you as the other Darth Vaders have taught them to.

3 - They provide functionality, which you may or may not have the training to use properly. But even if you're untrained, the fact you were issued the gear implies your boss expects you to be ready and willing to use it.

Training might help with #3, but it doesn't do a damn bit of good with 1 and 2 when your "team" has already developed antagonistic relationships with too many other teams.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 10:46 PM  

Just to be clear, I am an Army vet of close to two decades experience, both combat arms and support.

And yes, training will help with the other two. In fact, if those former two have gotten screwed up, it is ONLY training that will save them, said training to come from new leadership, as the old leadership has cocked up somehow.

It is either that or stay on the current course. Or surrender.

With the assumption that people can't be changed or reached.

Which is not true.

But policing is hard, which is why you need good people. And counter-insurgency is the hardest form of warfare there is (which is why Patraeus called it the graduate school of warfare).

Soldiers have the option of being pulled out of a hopeless situation.

The police do not.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 08, 2016 10:49 PM  

Reality is not binary.
But since the left keeps forcing a confrontation, we'll be happy to give them a binary solution.

Blogger Human Animal July 08, 2016 10:50 PM  

Soldiers have the option of being pulled out of a hopeless situation.

The police do not.


Cops can quit.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 10:54 PM  

"Cops can quit"

Not if they are people with honor who care about doing the right thing.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 08, 2016 10:56 PM  

Other Robot:
So, I think we are headed, at an accelerated pace, for that race war we have been promised.

Yep. Badge-gang goondas will be ordered to kill YT defending themselves from dindus especially after the "opposition" party rubber-stamps Section-Ape on steroids. Most will obey - just as was seen in San Jose and Chicago. Most gang members still believe in the banktas' promised 30-pieces of pension and refuse to understand that the regime they serve is lawless and criminal to its core. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature should have realized with the FBI's announcement that there is no such thing as rule of law in the Banana Empire. Don't tell the churchians, though. They're too ecstatic worshipping their golden dindu. Unfortunately, MPAI.

Blogger Human Animal July 08, 2016 10:58 PM  

Not if they are people with honor who care about doing the right thing.

People who quit jobs are dishonorable?

Blogger The Other Robot July 08, 2016 11:00 PM  

I have started listening to Copperhead Road again.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 11:00 PM  

And yes, too much can be made about the uniform. Just like the thing the Left does with "assault rifles".

Oooo...it's all black and SCARY!!! WE ARE INTIMIDATED!

VoR (Voice of Reason): But it works the same way as any number of other rifles. It just looks different.

Leftie douchebags: IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Well...yes, it does matter. Especially if your policy you want (and you do want it), is to take them from law abiding citizens.

Yes, uniforms are important, how they look. Yes, the job of a beat cop involves a certain level of diplomacy and community relations.

But having tactical gear and people trained for that sort of thing is highly useful for some departments.

The mere "scary" appearance should not matter, if the right training is applied and the gear is used in the appropriate context.

Likewise, raging against a scary looking rifle for just its looks is ignorant nonsense. Most gun owners aren't going to get one and just lose their minds and become some murdering asshole because it looks "badass".

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 08, 2016 11:01 PM  

Our esteemed author may have offered his own analysis, but hordes of Americans for the past fifty years have lamented about the increasing “militarization” of the police. The correct predictions boast serves no observable purpose. And people certainly do not need some know it all lecturing them regarding what lens the situation ought to be viewed under. They can make up their own minds. There is another option, one that has withstood calamities, and that is incorporation. Segregation already occurs in our country. Deportation and elimination are pipe dreams.

“So, I think we are headed, at an accelerated pace, for that race war we have been promised.”

The race war requires soldiers. There are too many arm-chair warriors. And if somehow does materialize, great! Let there be bloodshed.

SciVo...

“Build the wall. End all immigration, except green cards for spouses of American citizens, and tourism/business visas for citizens of non-Muslim
countries.”

“Deport all illegals and their anchor babies. Then deport all non-residents, except the above two exceptions to the immigration ban.”

There is no political will here. Are you willing to take the bull by the horns rather than lay in the weeds?

“Segregate our legacy blacks. They've mostly self-segregated anyway; everyone is clearly happier that way, might as well make it official.”



Nope, not going to happen. Southrons had their opportunity with Plessy. All they had to do was make things truly “separate but equal”. They failed miserably.


“Aggressively miscegenate American Jews and east Asians out of existence.”



I’m sure you have had least 10 white children, right?

“Immediate, on-the-spot execution of deported criminal aliens that are found in the U.S. for a second time”



We’ll put you in charge of that. Little pay. Long hours. Up to the task?

“But if these anti-white bigots bring war to the white working class, theywill get what they're asking for -- good and hard.”



GREAT. Looking forward to you actually being a foot soldier rather than running off your mouth.

Blogger Junius Stone July 08, 2016 11:01 PM  

"People who quit jobs are dishonorable?"

Depends on the job and the circimstances of quitting.

Anonymous Eric the Red July 08, 2016 11:05 PM  

People want to keep tinkering on the periphery with the symptoms. They don't have the courage to face the core problem, which is that the preponderance of different tribes are incompatible with each other. The only solution is segregation, both voluntary and otherwise, including incentives for self-deportation.

After segregation is successfully carried out, then and only then can individuals decide to take themselves to another culture and try to mix in, but always only on a case-by-case basis, never masses of invading hordes.

If this solution is never attempted, never enacted, then there will be unending strife and chaos and destruction.

People who won't face the problem and its solution disgust me. They are simply wasting everyone's time and energy, and ultimately wasting lives.

Blogger Human Animal July 08, 2016 11:05 PM  

Depends on the job and the circumstances of quitting.

Including "I don't want to do this, for money, here, anymore."

Anonymous Flyting Adynaton July 08, 2016 11:08 PM  

Maybe they should dress like orderlies. Cities feel like mental asylums these days anyway.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 08, 2016 11:14 PM  

...And yes, training will help with the other two. In fact, if those former two have gotten screwed up, it is ONLY training that will save them...

Oh, come on. Certainly poor training has contributed to the problem, and you're right that new leadership is desperately needed, but police agencies deliberately choose the tacticool SWAT style paramilitary look, specifically because of the team it implied they were on. It was a cheap way to trade in on the superior training and reputation of the first groups to wear that stuff.

It was a deliberate choice to say they were an occupation force, not a group of peace officers. And by making that choice, they made the job harder than it has to be. If I'm a citizen, then peace officers are on my team, but occupying soldiers are not.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 08, 2016 11:14 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:"People who quit jobs are dishonorable?"

Depends on the job and the circimstances of quitting.

Now you're well into self-delusion category. People quit jobs all the time. Cops quit all the time. In fact, most of the honorable cops you seem to think are pervasive quit some time ago.

The point of the "SCARY UNIFORM" is to INTIMIDATE. There is literally no other purpose. And a cop who sets out to intimidate is a cop who needs to be fired.

And SWAT teams are a large part of the problem. Sending SWAT team to serve a subpoena or pick up a small time dope dealer is escalation in 4G warfare. It may intimidate the subject. It also inevitably leads to deaths, of both bad guys and cops. It also inevitably results in the deaths of innocents because the cops got the wrong address or a bad tip.

The first thing we need to do is eliminate no-knock raids. The second is eliminating civil forfeiture.

Blogger Lazarus July 08, 2016 11:17 PM  

Rhetoric Man wrote:GREAT. Looking forward to you actually being a foot soldier rather than running off your mouth.

Hah! You are Rhetoric Man. Therefore, we can disregard this statement. I do not think you actually look forward to it at all. In dialectial terms it means you may fear it.

Blogger Rusty Fife July 08, 2016 11:20 PM  

Junius Stone wrote:Now you are getting into details and I don't think a one size fits all works. It depends on the local department. Depends on the culture.

Some might work with the traditional police cap. Some might work with a stetsen. Some might work with baseball caps. It all depends. The important thing is, in the uniform, is that it clearly identifies the officer as such and that the face is visible.

The rest comes down to training.


You are dodging the question. My answer is it makes a difference whether the patrol officer is in black BDUs or class B's.

You said it depended on the culture of the PD. Yes, a BDU culture PD is treating it's citizenry as the enemy; a class B culture is acting like a professional member of the citizenry.

WRT 'training'; “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Blogger Lazarus July 08, 2016 11:21 PM  

An actual foot soldier who stopped running off his mouth.

Micah X. Johnson.

How do you like it so far?

Blogger Human Animal July 08, 2016 11:22 PM  

The second is eliminating civil forfeiture.

Protect persons and property? Ohhh. I thought it was protect persons FROM property. Golly, is my face red.

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