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Wednesday, July 27, 2016

The self-serving revisionists

It's more than a little amusing to see these Republican immigrants, who are US citizens but are not Americans, attempting to present their self-serving revisionist histories as not only genuine, but deterministic:
Avik Roy is a Republican’s Republican. A health care wonk and editor at Forbes, he has worked for three Republican presidential hopefuls — Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and Marco Rubio. Much of his adult life has been dedicated to advancing the Republican Party and conservative ideals.

But when I caught up with Roy at a bar just outside the Republican convention, he said something I’ve never heard from an establishment conservative before: The Grand Old Party is going to die.

“I don’t think the Republican Party and the conservative movement are capable of reforming themselves in an incremental and gradual way,” he said. “There’s going to be a disruption.”

Roy isn’t happy about this: He believes it means the Democrats will dominate national American politics for some time. But he also believes the Republican Party has lost its right to govern, because it is driven by white nationalism rather than a true commitment to equality for all Americans.

“Until the conservative movement can stand up and live by that principle, it will not have the moral authority to lead the country,” he told me.

This is a standard assessment among liberals, but it is frankly shocking to hear from a prominent conservative thinker. Our conversation had the air of a confessional: of Roy admitting that he and his intellectual comrades had gone wrong, had failed, had sinned.

His history of conservatism was a Greek tragedy. It begins with a fatal error in 1964, survived on the willful self-delusion of people like Roy himself, and ended with Donald Trump.

“I think the conservative movement is fundamentally broken,” Roy tells me. “Trump is not a random act. This election is not a random act.”

The conservative movement has something of a founding myth — Roy calls it an “origin story.”

In 1955, William F. Buckley created the intellectual architecture of modern conservatism by founding National Review, focusing on a free market, social conservatism, and a muscular foreign policy. Buckley’s ideals found purchase in the Republican Party in 1964, with the nomination of Barry Goldwater. While Goldwater lost the 1964 general election, his ideas eventually won out in the GOP, culminating in the Reagan Revolution of 1980.

Normally, Goldwater’s defeat is spun as a story of triumph: how the conservative movement eventually righted the ship of an unprincipled GOP. But according to Roy, it’s the first act of a tragedy.

“Goldwater’s nomination in 1964 was a historical disaster for the conservative movement,” Roy tells me, “because for the ensuing decades, it identified Democrats as the party of civil rights and Republicans as the party opposed to civil rights.”
Of course, white nationalism is, quite literally, the raison d'etre for the U.S. Constitution and was signed into law by George Washington in the Naturalization Act of 1790. This factual history offends Arik Roy, because he is not white and he is not an American national, therefore he has to revise history and transform it into something that allows him to redefine the definitions of "conservative", "Republican", and even "America".

I've yet to see any liberal or left-winger make a statement more unequivocally equalitarian than Roy: "Until the conservative movement can stand up and live by the principle of equality, it will not have the moral authority to lead the country."

Once more, we see that if you scratch a "conservative intellectual", you find an anti-American. It is equivalent to stating that there is no moral authority outside of a mindless devotion to equality.

This sort of revisionist nonsense is where intellectual defenses of the proposition nation concept inevitably lead. There is no alternative, because it has no basis in history, fact, or logic. The propositional equality of "Americans" is every bit as conceptual and delusional and nonexistent as the economic equality of socialists, the herd equality of unicorns, and the animal equality of Animal Farm.

Some pigs always somehow end up more equal than others.

That being said, both the conservative movement and the Republican Party in its previous form are going to die. They will be replaced by the American nationalist movement and the American Party, which will claim the moral authority to govern the nation on the basis of actually representing the nation.

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147 Comments:

Anonymous ReVengeance July 27, 2016 11:31 AM  

“Goldwater’s nomination in 1964 was a historical disaster for the conservative movement,”

Fuck you.

Anonymous Steve July 27, 2016 11:33 AM  

Vhart could be more conservative than unlimited immigration and the gargantuan Big Mommy government required to enforce "equality" on a noisome hodgepodge of competing ethnics?

Y'all motherfuckers need Vishnu.

Blogger pyrrhus July 27, 2016 11:34 AM  

I expect all study of human biodiversity to be banned in the US if these neocon egalitarians gain power...We are fairly close to that now, with top scientists having difficulty getting such papers past the cultural marxist reviewers.

Blogger Jim Carroll July 27, 2016 11:36 AM  

"Until the conservative movement can stand up and live by the principle of equality, it will not have the moral authority to lead the country."

Ha! Egalitarianism is the only ubiquitous property of anything that can be considered "left."

Blogger Anonymous-9 July 27, 2016 11:36 AM  

Hi Vox,
I just purchased "Cuckservative" for my Kindle. Looking forward to it.

OpenID paworldandtimes July 27, 2016 11:37 AM  

GOPe Indians (curry, not maize) annoy me more than all of the Dems' noggatry put together.

PA

Blogger Diego Del Sol July 27, 2016 11:40 AM  

“I think the conservative movement is fundamentally broken,” Roy tells me. “Trump is not a random act. This election is not a random act.”

Well, he got that part right.

#MAGA

Blogger Johnny July 27, 2016 11:41 AM  

What we have right now is corrupt statism gone wild, and it hardly fits the traditional definitions of conservative or liberal. Crony capitalism mainly along with massive government overreach.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 27, 2016 11:41 AM  

I was always surprised these foreign "conservatives" weren't treated with more suspicion - a demonstration of the blameworthy lack of "racism" among the natives. Trump has forced these sorts to show that they are unassimilated and ignorant of and/or militantly hostile to traditional American policy (ethnic homogeneity, nativism and isolationism), American culture and the natives. Trump has provided an alternative to the globalists so with the expulsion of the cucks were are finally aligned for a natives vs. foreigners battle.

Anonymous Stephen J. July 27, 2016 11:44 AM  

"Until the conservative movement can stand up and live by the principle of equality, it will not have the moral authority to lead the country."

You don't think that by this statement Roy meant "equality of opportunity" rather than "equality of outcome"?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian July 27, 2016 11:45 AM  

@8 "Crony capitalism"

Sir, no sir, this is known as Free Trade to all good/equality Americans.

Good day to you!

Blogger Johnny July 27, 2016 11:45 AM  

Goldwater went into the election running against a dead Kennedy, he knew he would do poorly, and did poorly. The other side took the situation as an opportunity to expand the state, Johnson did so, and screwed things up. Beyond that it is a reach to suppose Goldwater had much of a long term effect. A good enough man but he did not found anything in particular and proved only that the country did not want a hard right person as president

Blogger Teri July 27, 2016 11:47 AM  

Is this the type of equality he seeks?

http://www.infowars.com/whites-ordered-to-back-of-crowd-at-black-dnc-march/

Blogger Teri July 27, 2016 11:49 AM  

The other thing about Goldwater: The Dems were allowed to paint him as a "right wing wacko". It worked because the liberal wing of the Repubs felt the same way about him.

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Blogger praetorian July 27, 2016 11:50 AM  

The Grand Old Party is going to die.

That's the idea, panjeet.

Anonymous Gordian July 27, 2016 11:50 AM  

@10 - Irrelevant. Both are nonsensical notions fundamentally antithetical to concrete societies and families. Equality of opportunity requires the abolition of the family.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/parents-reading-to-kids-blasted-as-unfair/
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/philosopherszone/new-family-values/6437058

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 11:51 AM  

Well, as of now, it's equality of fucks given for their opinions...

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 11:52 AM  

That's sufficient moral authority for me.

Anonymous Steve July 27, 2016 11:52 AM  

You don't think that by this statement Roy meant "equality of opportunity" rather than "equality of outcome"?

Equalities of opportunity is being racist, memsahib.

Blogger praetorian July 27, 2016 11:54 AM  

Equality of opportunity requires the abolition of the family.

We must end the racist two parent technology that whites have used to oppress people of color lo these many years.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 27, 2016 11:57 AM  

Principle of Equality. Anyone can be an American regardless of race, religion, ancestry, language, and citizenship as long as he is, you know, a good guy.

Blogger Nick S July 27, 2016 11:59 AM  

The American Party has a nice ring to it. It could be very efficient, for all concerned, if a sitting president founded it in his first 100 days and ran as a doctrinaire American for his second term. It might be tricky, but I see a lot of potential political advantages. It would immediately take the wind out of many partisan argument's sails and put everyone on their back foot.

What? A guy can dream can't he?

Blogger pyrrhus July 27, 2016 12:05 PM  

Amazing how when all the rats leave what they think is a sinking ship, we find out who the rats were all along....

Blogger WATYF July 27, 2016 12:05 PM  

Linky no worky.

Also, who qualifies as an American today? Is there even anyone left in America who is 100% English colonist on both sides?

WATYF

Anonymous Broken Arrow July 27, 2016 12:06 PM  

After watching the DNC and the RNC it appears two new parties are forming.

A Republican party which is populist and nationalist.

A Democrat party which is globalist and immigrant.

Anonymous Frank Brady July 27, 2016 12:08 PM  

Vox has emerged as a voice in the virtual wilderness, confounding "conservatives" who have succumbed completely to the "melting pot" lie. To appreciate the magnitude of what we are facing, it is necessary to understand the difference between a state and a nation. The definitions of these two words have been deliberately conflated over the course of decades. Generations of Americans have been taught that state and nation mean the same thing. They do not. Failure to understand the distinction is the root cause of many problems.

1. A state is a self-governing political entity.

2. A nation is a tightly-knit group of people that share a common culture.

The globalist establishment's misdirection has been highly successful. Globalists have deceived the American people into believing that the political state (the United States) was under attack when, in fact, they have been using the political state to overtly attack the American nation's culture.

The Globalists are intent on achieving the total destruction of all nations, correctly seeing them as competitors for people's loyalty. When they achieve the effective destruction of nations in a region, they move to consolidate their power by establishing a "super state". The European Union serves as their structural template, the next step toward the establishment of a One World Government under Globalist control.

That is why Trump's "America First" slogan so provokes establishment fear and anger.

Anonymous TLM July 27, 2016 12:09 PM  

@#6

I agree 100%. These bastards are only here to siphon off whatever they can for themselves. They are parasites of a different stripe, but parasites nonetheless.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 27, 2016 12:09 PM  

Equality über alles. Funny how these imports are so very good at preaching the Gospel of Galatians 3:28 to the cattle in the barnyard but applying it much in the manner of Napoleon the Pig of Animal Farm to themselves. They always lie, they always project and they always double down. Interesting pattern of behavior for "conservatives", no? The cucks are the clueless cows and sheep who sit and listen to the preaching of Porcine Napoleons like Mr. Roy

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 27, 2016 12:11 PM  

What's weird is that the whole notion of "whites" is a pure quill invention of the SJW left.

"...the French hate The Germans, the Germans hate the Poles, the Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch... and I don't like anybody very much."

Remember Polack jokes?

I get that people proclaimed "white" by SJW opportunists (who like themselves a good hate) and need a socially-acceptable target to bully, might band together in self-defense; but it's still a phony proposition put together by a bunch of mal-educated wanna-be Marxists.

Shoot, just look at how impossible it is for the SJWs to maintain their proposition that all People of Color (Black Americans, Mexicans, Cubans, Somalis...etc) are on the same side and want the same things. Are one nation.

In that sense the "white nation" is every bit as much a proposition as the idea of a Christian or a Constitutional one. The only difference is whether it's a "better" one.

Maybe Vox Day should define his terms? What does he mean by a "proposition(al) nation?

And how does he define "better"?

Anonymous kfg July 27, 2016 12:11 PM  

"quality of opportunity requires the abolition of the family."

Neighbor's Goat Too Must Die

Blogger Johnny July 27, 2016 12:11 PM  

The important principle at the time of the founding of this country was not white racism, but the general expectation that people would be let on based on their ability to fit in with and be helpful to the existing population. this was taken as so obvious that nobody even felt the need to explain it, and the attitude held up for around a hundred and fifty years. Why let in people who are going to be troublesome?

At the time of the founding there were no significant non white populations that would fit in. Additionally they had a bias against Catholics, which generally translated into not letting in Southern Europeans. Perhaps a sensible restriction in that there had been religious wars in Europe.

The country was also to small to defend itself against the predatory European powers of the day. To fix that problem they opened the immigration gates to more or less anybody who was white and Northern European . The main outcome was that the area west of the Appalachian Mountains filled full of Central European types, along with lesser numbers of other groups. So far that has turned out well enough.

Blogger tz July 27, 2016 12:16 PM  

Nationalism? That has been my entire life. The muscular foreign policy of WFB was replacing leftist thug-dictators with right wing ones, often for corporations (Iran, Banana republics). Iraq was 10,000 miles away but WE have to be the world's policeman. WE have to kill people in pakistan and yemen with our drones.

If that isn't a form of rabid nationalism - to think we can impose our views on the world with the military, I don't know what is.

Now it was co-opted for the military industrial complex and other cronies. But it was still rabid nationalism, even if it was allegedly propositional.

As to "white" nationalism, it is the wrong question. Those who oppose it say it is correlation, not causation. My response is then your responsibility is to destroy the correlation by fixing the black, hispanic, and other areas and making them act like whites. Spread your magic dirt, teach, encourage, train. See if Pygmalion ends differently. I hope you can do it. But one way or the other, the deeply rooted behaviors of Christian whites and the culture produced by it needs to be transplanted, grafted, or imposed, or they won't be able to participate. Stop calling racism and prove us wrong.

Perhaps in 1955, Blacks were merely pantomiming whites with the nuclear family with breadwinner, but they were far better off. Today whites are pantomiming the destructive behaviors of barbarians.

Blogger Joshua_D July 27, 2016 12:18 PM  

I very much look forward to the rise of "The American Party". That would be a truly devastating rhetorical shiv. Well, more like a rhetorical chainsaw. It would be awesome.

Anonymous someguy July 27, 2016 12:19 PM  

"A health care wonk and editor at Forbes, he has worked for three Republican presidential hopefuls — Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and Marco Rubio. Much of his adult life has been dedicated to advancing the Republican Party and conservative ideals."

Yes, who could forget the strong conservative idealism of Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and Marco Rubio?

Blogger Joshua_D July 27, 2016 12:19 PM  

26. WATYF July 27, 2016 12:05 PM

Is there even anyone left in America who is 100% English colonist on both sides?

WATYF


Yes.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 27, 2016 12:19 PM  

Roy has never spoken ill of identity politics I will bet and he most certainly never raised his voice to a leftist about that topic. Phony POS

Blogger J Van Stry July 27, 2016 12:20 PM  

I find it annoying that they label this man as a conservative, as he is anything but.
Then again, the term conservative has become meaningless ever since they created 'social conservatives' and claimed those people were 'conservative' when in fact, they were anything but (social conservatives are on the left of the aisle, not the right).

The biggest way to destroy any 'party' or 'movement' is to co-opt its name and change its definition. The Republican party was never conservative, the conservatives were a movement in the Republican party, a movement for smaller government, less taxes, less control.

That movement is now dead, and the GOP turned the corpse into a hand-puppet that they have been trying to manipulate ever since. We saw their reaction to the tea party, a grass roots 'conservative' movement of the old-style conservatives, if there ever was one.

And notice now, how ALL nationalism, is 'white' nationalism? Since when did nationalism get a color? Oh, right, since the Republicans and Democrats both agreed it was bad and decided to give it the boogeyman logo of 'white supremacists' in order to scare people away from it.

Well, to all of you republican 'conservatives', be careful what you wish for, or you may surely get it. When a country no longer has any nationalism, you no longer have a country.

Anonymous kfg July 27, 2016 12:21 PM  

"Perhaps a sensible restriction in that there had been religious wars in Europe."

Europe's religious wars were fought on American soil.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 27, 2016 12:21 PM  

Actually, we're just going through one of the periodic political polarity shifts. Every so often, there's a massive change in how the parties stand on a particular issue.

As an example, the Democrats were reliably stronger on defense spending between about 1925 and 1965. They underwent a massive shift, and by 1975 were extremely hostile to the DOD budget.

This sort of thing happens.

I'll add that the hand-wringing is exaggerated. American nationalism is more a philosophy than a gene pool. Anyone can learn it and be accepted (albeit with reservations, after the last 50 years).

Anonymous ZhukovG July 27, 2016 12:25 PM  

'White', is a term of convenience not conviction. I doubt most here subscribe to some idea of a propositional 'White' nation. We Southerners are particularly mindful of the differences.

But for now there must be an alliance of 'White' factions to oppose the motley horde arrayed against us.

After we have crushed them utterly, then we can come to some arrangement to either live as one or separate in peace.

Anonymous Rolf July 27, 2016 12:26 PM  

@34 - TZ, going into the ME and being policeman for the world is not nationalism, it's globalism, with ourselves being (hopefully) at the top.

RE; spreading the magic dirt: very hard to do given the current government school system dedication to preaching diversity.

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 12:27 PM  

What's weird is that the whole notion of "whites" is a pure quill invention of the SJW left. ... In that sense the "white nation" is every bit as much a proposition as the idea of a Christian or a Constitutional one. The only difference is whether it's a "better" one.

No it's not. The notion of white existed long before SJWs did. You've heard of the concept of ethnogenesis before, right? Just because "white" once upon a time didn't mean anything specific doesn't mean that it doesn't now, especially in an American context. You keep talking about French and Germans and Poles and stuff. What does that have to do with white Americans? WATYF hit the nail on the head—my ancestry is almost entirely of British provenance, going back to the 1600s. But the almost is meaningful. What we've seen over the last few centuries was the ethnogenesis of a new people, white American, and before the ethnogenesis was even complete, it was threatened by mass immigration from Eastern Europe and Southern Europe.

Which is exactly why the immigration acts of 1875, 1882, 1917, 1921 and 1924 were passed, including the very sensible Asiatic Barred Zone and the National Origins formula. Even as far back as the 1790 Naturalization Act recognized the ethnogenesis of the white American.

Maybe Vox Day should define his terms? What does he mean by a "proposition(al) nation?

And how does he define "better"?


Maybe that's been done many times over and you should search the archives.

Blogger WATYF July 27, 2016 12:28 PM  

Joshua_D wrote:26. WATYF July 27, 2016 12:05 PM

Is there even anyone left in America who is 100% English colonist on both sides?

WATYF


Yes.


OK. So those are the only "Americans"? How many are we talking? Tens or hundreds of thousands?

As someone else mentioned, I'm just looking for some definitions here (and rationales).

Why that standard? If not that one, then which one and why? What difference (if any) should there be between an "American" and whatever everyone else is? What's the point in differentiating between the two if the "real Americans" are such a small group in their own country that they can't exercise any control over it at all?

I have no problem agreeing that a proposition nation is a failed concept. I'm just trying to figure out what defines the concept that we should use and how that's supposed to work.

WATYF

Anonymous #8601 July 27, 2016 12:28 PM  

The American Party

Many cucks would probably miss the significance of the name change because "American" doesn't mean what they think it means.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 27, 2016 12:32 PM  

he has worked for three Republican presidential hopefuls — Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and Marco Rubio.

Ha! Ha! Ha! (*gasp...wheez*) Ha! Ha! Ha!

Blogger tz July 27, 2016 12:33 PM  

And there's that "Equality" thing. Trump is the best example of believing in equality - he doesn't care about credentials, race, sex, or anything else. He'd find excellent people and give them an equal chance. Most succeeded and are part of his empire.

His campaign echoes that. Milo, Diamond and Silk, The Carsons... The only question is whether you want to MAGA or not.

What this guy wants is for SJWs to converge the GOP.

The left and the establishment want the status quo. Both the elite and the moochers like their state

The cucked right have discovered they have absolute principles this past year.

The rest will vote Trump.

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 12:35 PM  

@someguy

Indeed. I read that as;

"He's been consistently wrong."

Anonymous Gordian July 27, 2016 12:35 PM  

@45 - Is there anyone in England who is 100% West Saxon? Anglo-Saxon is a myth, a propositional nation put forward by Edward the Eldar. Only 100% pure West Saxons are English.

Eventually biologism, like all abstract reasoning, reduces to the absurd. What is required is common sense, good old Aristotelian practical reason, applied to the situation. Abstract categorization is pointless.

Blogger VD July 27, 2016 12:36 PM  

American nationalism is more a philosophy than a gene pool. Anyone can learn it and be accepted (albeit with reservations, after the last 50 years).

No, it's not, you moron. That is precisely the "proposition nation" nonsense being addressed in the post. We have copious evidence to demonstrate that everyone cannot learn it.

American is white. Period. If you're not white, you're not American. And I include myself in that.

After all, how can I be a member of a sovereign Indian nation AND be an American?

Blogger Student in Blue July 27, 2016 12:38 PM  

'b-but it's totally possible to serve two masters!' some will say.

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 12:39 PM  

I go for can not and will not, but whichever it is it doesn't help the proposition nation bods, because the result is the same.

Blogger pyrrhus July 27, 2016 12:42 PM  

Trump believes in equality of opportunity and equality under the law, which is very Anglo-Saxon and leads to a superior culture. Modern Egalitarianism, which pretends that everyone has equal abilities, on the other hand, is pure Marxism, whatever the claimed political beliefs of the speaker. No culture has ever believed that, including the French Revolutionaries, because it is an absolutely absurd lie.

Blogger tz July 27, 2016 12:44 PM  

It's not even "white" as such. Its English nonconformist protestants. In Poland, the lords would elect the king, that was as close as I can find, except maybe Switzerland which is an island because of mountains.

Spain got most of South America, the French, Quebec, Portugal, Brazil. None of them came close - and the late Spanish Scholastics were a proto Austrian School economics, better than Adam Smith.

France supported the revolution, but didn't copy the philosophy, either the Monarchy or their revolution.

The colonies were the greenhouse where liberty grew up until England sent red coats to extract wealth. The war was one of restoration, the Articles and Constitution were for preservation.

The French people had no knowledge or practice of liberty so their revolution went technocratic and violent,

Blogger pyrrhus July 27, 2016 12:44 PM  

@51 Nikki Haley is a good example of a proposition American. How much respect for American culture and traditions has she shown?

Blogger Chris Mallory July 27, 2016 12:44 PM  

@26 Yes, I am. There is still a large group of us here in Greater Appalachia. We are the only group that still calls ourselves Americans instead of some hybrid bastardization.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 27, 2016 12:47 PM  

Old stock whites. That is as precise of a definition as you need. You wouldn't reject the existence of the English because the couldn't define themselves exactly as x% Anglo, y% Saxon, z% Celt, etc. If you read pre-1930 nativist lit, you see that the definition has been widely studied and understood for a long time.

Blogger bb July 27, 2016 12:49 PM  

"Both are too wedded to the politics of white nationalism to change how they act, but that just isn’t a winning formula in a nation that’s increasingly black and brown. Either the Republican Party will eat itself or a new party will rise and overtake its voting share."

The Republic Party that Roy try to become a member of upper echelon of leadership is dead. After the party turn sold out the nation for a few piece of slivers. The party that is now replacing it, is one that is focus on interest of American and well being of a nation. This must be Roy's low point of his life as Vox reporter with no testosterone continues asking him questions in dive bar in Cleavland.

As brown guy and immigrant, reading this article was annoying and painful to hear the so call browns and blacks taking over America bullshit. I walk out my door and walk upon the streets that are clean, people that are friendly and other benefits of high trust and IQ civilization. If I want to live in country full of brown or black people, I go live in either India or Africa with their crappy conditions.

I swear to God, why do these intellectual fools do not understand that Western Civilization is built upon rock of Christendom, bonds of trusts and the work of the white men of European descent. The continue success of America is her people continue the work and values of Englishman that created this county.

Blogger praetorian July 27, 2016 12:50 PM  

What's weird is that the whole notion of "whites" is a pure quill invention of the SJW left.

Goy, please.

http://www.indiana.edu/~kdhist/H105-documents-web/week08/naturalization1790.html

"That any alien, being a free white person, may be admitted to become a citizen of the United States..."

You are either a shill or are badly in need of some (((conditioning))) breaking.

Blogger tz July 27, 2016 12:53 PM  

American nationalism is more a philosophy than a gene pool. Anyone can learn it and be accepted (albeit with reservations, after the last 50 years).

Even assuming you are right, it is not CAN but WILL.

Fine. If you and your children don't act completely like an English colonialist after 50 years, you have to return to your native land. Deal?

How many 1965 act immigrants have even attempted even lesser assimilation? How many of the illegals and refugees?

The people promoting the Propositional Nation are the same ones who refuse to do ANYTHING to impose and enforce the proposition!

Fine. Deport the 100 million or more within our borders, citizen or not, that reject any part of the proposition. Are you really ready to do that?

Blogger Chris Mallory July 27, 2016 12:53 PM  

Johnny wrote:The country was also to small to defend itself against the predatory European powers of the day. To fix that problem they opened the immigration gates to more or less anybody who was white and Northern European . The main outcome was that the area west of the Appalachian Mountains filled full of Central European types, along with lesser numbers of other groups. So far that has turned out well enough.'

This is all false. We had no hordes of immigrants until the 1840's when the scum of Ireland and Germany invaded our shores.

The area west of the Appalachians and east of the Mississippi was settled by Northern English, Lowland Scots and Ulster Scots, not "Central Europeans". The Central Europeans who came later did not understand the rights passed down by the Founders and have worked ever since to destroy them.

Anonymous kfg July 27, 2016 12:55 PM  

"If you read pre-1930 nativist lit . . ."

. . . Germans were considered un-American and Irish not white.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 27, 2016 12:56 PM  

@63 As it should be.

Blogger Brian S July 27, 2016 12:58 PM  

I don't want to care what someones skin color or genetic background is, but neither do I want to live in a society where the inhabitants do nothing but pull each other down to the lowest common denominator while blaming the successful for conditions largely of their own making.

Blogger S1AL July 27, 2016 12:59 PM  

"American is white. Period. If you're not white, you're not American. And I include myself in that.

After all, how can I be a member of a sovereign Indian nation AND be an American?"

The same way that Paul could be both a Jew and a Roman citizen?

There's just something ironic about a self-proclaimed Red Indian saying that outsiders can't be integrated into the tribe.

Blogger VD July 27, 2016 1:04 PM  

The same way that Paul could be both a Jew and a Roman citizen?

Exactly. Now, what did the Romans do to the Jews only a few years later?

There's just something ironic about a self-proclaimed Red Indian saying that outsiders can't be integrated into the tribe.

They can't. I'm not a "self-proclaimed" Red Indian. I am, without question, a Red Indian.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 27, 2016 1:08 PM  

Humans are specialized for the ecological niche of deception. It's some kinda miracle that we ever get anything right.

Blogger S1AL July 27, 2016 1:14 PM  

"Exactly. Now, what did the Romans do to the Jews only a few years later?"

Put down a rebellion in archetypal Roman fashion?

"They can't. I'm not a "self-proclaimed" Red Indian. I am, without question, a Red Indian."

Self-proclaimed in the sense of claiming that portion of your heritage rather than any other, and not a claim made by someone else. Not attempting to falsify.

But, to quote Benjamin Franklin:

When an Indian child has been brought up among us, taught our language and habituated to our customs, yet if he goes to see his relations and makes one Indian ramble with them, there is no persuading him ever to return. [But] when white persons of either sex have been taken prisoners young by the Indians, and lived a while among them, tho’ ransomed by their friends, and treated with all imaginable tenderness to prevail with them to stay among the English, yet in a short time they become disgusted with our manner of life, and the care and pains that are necessary to support it, and take the first good opportunity of escaping again into the woods, from whence there is no reclaiming them.

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 1:18 PM  

"How many 1965 act immigrants have even attempted even lesser assimilation?"

They've pretty much all learned to fill out the welfare forms ...

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 1:19 PM  

@17 praetorian
The Grand Old Party is going to die.

That's the idea, panjeet.
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It's >>>Patel<<<

Anonymous Sam thre Man July 27, 2016 1:20 PM  

Mohawk valley in New York and a larger part of central PA was settled by Palatinate Germen/Swiss stock in the 1720 to 1790 era. A significant number of them moved into Northern Virginia/western Maryland(Shenandoah valley)in the 1760s.

In the late 1790s to 1800 a large number of these sauerkraut eaters moved to Ohio and Indiana, which still show a significant Palatinate/ Swiss /Swabia/ Bayern German cultural heritage. heck PA outside of Philly still has pockets of Krautish stock and cultural patterns.

Which by the way includes representative democracy and the right to keep and bear arms. The English parliament was referred to by Tacitus as a "the Thing" and existed in the 1st century AD. The tradition of bearing arms to vote (old English traditions) came to England with the Angles Jutes and Saxons. It was noted by Celtic authors in the 500 Ad time frame, that the Angle kings were elected by all the free men who bore arms (of the tribe).

Old Briton was Celtic. The combination of Celt/German seems to be the ethnic mix that values direct democracy, limited government and individual rights. I say that based on England and Switzerland, which are both that sort of mix and show a similar love of arms and freedom, along with impulse control to allow such.

Ireland ...they like democracy, but are not big on arms as the Celtic stock have never been all that good on impulse control. Same is true of the welsh, they do not have the arms tradition the Englanders did have prior to WWI

Blogger Dexter July 27, 2016 1:22 PM  

There's just something ironic about a self-proclaimed Red Indian saying that outsiders can't be integrated into the tribe.

What's ironic about it?

What Indian tribe has ever integrated outsiders?

White settlers did not integrate the Indians. The whole point of reservations was that Indians couldn't be integrated, so they had to be segregated. (And yes same logic applies to black segregation.)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 27, 2016 1:24 PM  

Basically Roy is a brown messiah, a vague ripoff of the Tikkun Olam script, he is here to redeem us from our whiteness. Basically he's a thief as are the neo-cons and their leftist cousins thieves of our birthright. Yes I know we are goyimkopf given to childish thinking and that is what equality is childish thinking, we are not the same and now that obvious fact can be stated plainly.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 27, 2016 1:24 PM  

Sam thre Man wrote:reland ...they like democracy, but are not big on arms as the Celtic stock have never been all that good on impulse control.
Defaming the Irish? Say it again and I'll stave yer fool head in!

Anonymous kfg July 27, 2016 1:29 PM  

"Mohawk valley in New York . . ."

West of Fonda. The Hudson Valley region (as well as the Connecticut Valley) was Dutch. The northern tier (as far south as Fort William Henry) was French until the Plains of Abraham.

The English were a minority administrative class from the mid 1600s.

Blogger Escoffier July 27, 2016 1:33 PM  

Napoleon12dr
" I'll add that the hand-wringing is exaggerated. American nationalism is more a philosophy than a gene pool. Anyone can learn it and be accepted (albeit with reservations, after the last 50 years)."

Imma call BS on this noise. What precisely is the difference between your position and the magic soil proposition?

Blogger Chris Mallory July 27, 2016 1:35 PM  

The 1790 census shows Germans making up less than 10% of the US population.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 27, 2016 1:35 PM  

Roy and the other cucks should be thankful if they get off as lightly as Trump. A true white nationalist would be putting on some mighty fine show trials and public executions.

Blogger Escoffier July 27, 2016 1:36 PM  

WATYF

Why not work it the other way? Remove kebab, basketball Americans and Asians and unassimilated Mexicans and see what you have left?

Anonymous Sam the Man July 27, 2016 1:43 PM  

Snidely, Show the facts to contrary:

What I have seen is this: When the English rule was lifted off the Irish in 1921...they promptly reintroduced the 1920 English arms control act in the first parliament in 1924. Further throughout the 1920s and 1930, it was never lifted and military pattern arms never permitted. The EU actually forced the Irish to lift controls in the 1990s. Prior to 1994 no center-fire rifle of caliber .270 was legal.

Here in the US on surprising white segment of the population that is pro gun control is the Irish. In polling individuals one of the thins that came out is a lot of Irish, quite to temper and a fist fight do not trust themselves with arms like the more staid Celtic-German mixes do. Notice Massachusetts, one of the most Irish of states which was on the forefront of freedom up to and after the civil war is one of the most gun control oriented now...

If you go back in history you see the same in the English parliamentary debate in the 1798 to 1900 time frame. a few times Ireland was peaceful enough to lift arms control, on advice of the lord Lieutenant of realm, just to be re-imposed a few years later when cattle raiding and other mischief showed the Irish could not handle arms.

This isn't to say the Irish are without merit, They are. They show a willingness to forgive and not go too radical once a period of conflict is over that the Germans lack. They value freedom in a way the German stock does not. The combination of the Irish free sprit with German discipline seems to yield the Englander and Swiss stock. The Englanders are more celtic, the Swiss are more Germanic, but he results are two nations that have maintained a tradition of stable limited government and respect for individual rights that their neighbors have not managed to do.


Gross generalizations, as I have omitted the Balts, that make up a part of the Englander stock (Danns and Norwegians), but what can one do in 4 paragraphs. the main point is that tit is not a magic English, the Freedom minded, individual right holding traits Vox makes mention of have deeper roots.

Blogger Johnny July 27, 2016 1:43 PM  

California, Texas (see German Texan) and Pennsylvania have the largest numbers of German origin, although upper Midwestern states, including Ohio, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and the Dakotas, have the highest proportion of German Americans at over one-third.

If you combine the Polish, Scandinavian, and Irish, the result will easily be the dominant race group in the Upper Midwest.

Anonymous ZhukovG July 27, 2016 1:45 PM  

The same way that Paul could be both a Jew and a Roman citizen?

Paul was a Jew, Full Stop. He was not a Roman at all, just a Roman Citizen.

Likewise American Citizenship doesn't make you an American.

Anonymous Sam the Man July 27, 2016 1:46 PM  

Need to spell check before publishing

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 27, 2016 1:51 PM  

@77 Escofficer:

The emphasis on assimilation into the American culture. The Magic Dirt argument claims that if you move people here, they will magically become American by virtue of proximity. Which is clearly bunk. But the culture can be learned well enough for an immigrant to fit in. If his children marry outside the immigrant group, their descendants will be considered native.

Yes, a defensible argument can be made that some people cannot adopt the American culture. But right now, nobody is trying.

Anonymous Stephen Ward July 27, 2016 1:51 PM  

@10 as Gorden @18 has pointed out, one generation's "equality of opportunity" is the previous generation's "equality of outcome"

Anonymous Philipp July 27, 2016 1:51 PM  

@66:

Paul might have been a Roman citizen but that did not make him a Roman.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 27, 2016 1:52 PM  

@67. I not familiar with any North American tribe of Indians who don't, or haven't, integrated individuals from other tribes, including European and African ones.

My own people have integrated any number of outsiders into the ani-kituwah. Some say that Adgakala was born Nippising. Some say Nanny Ollie was born Natchee. None say they, or their children, especially Tsiyugansini, were not Tsalagi.

OTOH, is it a good idea? It certainly proved disastrous in the long term to integrate Whites into our tribe, though not without exception. Bushyhead and Gunrod spring to mind.

Anonymous Difster July 27, 2016 1:54 PM  

The Republican Party will die as a massive fireball engulfs them while they all stand in a circle, holding hands and singing We Are The World.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 27, 2016 1:59 PM  

@73
Cherokee
Creek
Chickasaw
Choctaw
Seminole
Peedee
Osage
Shawnee
Natchee
Iroquois

Off the top of my head.

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 2:00 PM  

Comanche did too, at least on occasion.

Blogger CM July 27, 2016 2:02 PM  

I may understand where VD is coming from, but I am far likely to get behind the citizenship angle of American Nationalism. Secure our border, remove the illegals, cull the visitors, halt immigration and rebuild with the citizens we have, white, brown, black, or yellow.

When things are more stable either from focusing on infrastructure or outright civil war, we can talk about immigration again.

I do understand the arguments for homogenous nations. I agree with them, too. I do not think it is practical to rescind citizenship to those its been given to without evidence of outright treason (actually, bring that back).

Blogger Johnny July 27, 2016 2:07 PM  

Up where I live the native Indian group is the Oneida. The reservation is not clearly marked and most of it looks like a lower middle class suburb. I imagine they are blending in because it is unusual to see and Indian that is trying by dress or manner to self identify as Indian.

Blogger Human Animal July 27, 2016 2:09 PM  

Yes, a defensible argument can be made that some people cannot adopt the American culture. But right now, nobody is trying.

And those who try run up against the left, so that we've been losing ground even with black Americans. And culture alone doesn't defend against subversives. Jews corrupted many institutions merely to advance individual careers (with group support,) then preached the proposition nation / melting pot meme from their positions.

The question isn't what could work, but what will work and how to do it.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 27, 2016 2:10 PM  

@92 CM

Concur with an immigration holiday. This is one area where I think Trump is weak. We need a Barrier Wall...WITHOUT a door. An immigration holiday of at least 10 years (I'd prefer 20), during which we scrap the current immigration laws in favor of a completely new system.

Part of which would be a requirement that no more than 5% of immigrants come from any single country. And all immigrants must have marketable skills, and be culturally compatible.

Blogger Johnny July 27, 2016 2:14 PM  

The Indian tribal people were organized by family and clan. Integration was by adaption. That meant it was limited but lots of tribal people would do it. Voluntary integration was by marriage, usually a 'mountain man' or trader would pick up a squaw, and sometimes they moved right into the tribe. And any white in the tribe was of course required to pick up tribal custom simply as a matter of survival.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 27, 2016 2:14 PM  


That being said, both the conservative movement and the Republican Party in its previous form are going to die. They will be replaced by the American nationalist movement and the American Party, which will claim the moral authority to govern the nation on the basis of actually representing the nation.


Avik Roy knows the policies he favors, including blatant anti-Americanism, cannot prop up anything other than a rump minority party. He can't keep the suddenly awakened white working and middle classes in the tent, and the communists won't play host to his parasitism. Nationalism is ascendant. Conservatism is dead, and communism is on the ropes. What a wonderful time to be alive, and even if my money still is on reprimitivism I'm starting to hedge my bets.

Blogger praetorian July 27, 2016 2:16 PM  

Defaming the Irish? Say it again and I'll stave yer fool head in!

(kek)

Reminds me of this gem when a black guy explodes over dem racist statistics.

"You be sayin' blacks be prone to criminality? I'll kick yo ass, muhfugga"

Begorrahhhhhhhhhhhh...

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 2:21 PM  

CM wrote:I do understand the arguments for homogenous nations. I agree with them, too. I do not think it is practical to rescind citizenship to those its been given to without evidence of outright treason (actually, bring that back).
I think that's an overwrought concern, personally. I suspect, and the only bit of hard data that I can think of off-hand was a statistic cited in Cuckservative that suggested 80 some odd percent of Hispanics in America had no intention of actually staying in American permanently so it's admittedly a subjective evaluation; but I suspect that once those changes get enacted, a very sizeable group of non-Americans living in America will decide that they're interested in getting in touch with their roots again and going back to the old country after all.

Once that's sorted out, the problem of who actually wants to try and assimilate might be a much smaller problem to resolve after all.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 27, 2016 2:24 PM  

Sam the Man, that was some of the best stuff I've ever read on here. Thanks.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 2:24 PM  

> As an example, the Democrats were reliably stronger on defense spending between about 1925 and 1965. They underwent a massive shift, and by 1975 were extremely hostile to the DOD budget.

Of course. You can't fund a "Great Society" and fund defense at the same time. It was a very pragmatic decision.

Blogger Nick S July 27, 2016 2:27 PM  

A handy reference

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 27, 2016 2:36 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:Snidely, Show the facts to contrary:
My dad was French and Cornish. My Irish mother wouldn't let him have a gun.

Dude, I was agreeing by example.

Blogger WATYF July 27, 2016 2:39 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:The 1790 census shows Germans making up less than 10% of the US population.

So it's a percentage thing? Did they not count as part of "our posterity" when the Constitution was signed?

WATYF

Anonymous BGKB July 27, 2016 2:40 PM  

before: The Grand Old Party is going to die.

The CUCKs who agree with leftists that sneaking aross the border in the middle of the night and squatting out an anchor baby ENTITLES them to better care than veterans get will die.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-birth-certificates-20160725-snap-story.html

“It is a victory absolutely for all of the U.S. citizen children who are born here in Texas to undocumented parents. I think they are going to get all their benefits to which they are entitled,”

a true commitment to equality for all Americans.

He thinks Latrina's 21 crack babies would have the same chance as Asians of getting Perfect Math SATS if only she squatted them out in rice paddies.

enforce "equality" on a noisome hodgepodge of competing ethnics?

When forcing equality only meant tokening 10% of the population it was doable. In the 1993 Forbes magazine said the cost of Affirmative Action was 4% of the GDP which was more then spent on the Dept of Education, but now 70% of the population can be equality tokens.

Anonymous SciVo July 27, 2016 2:49 PM  

tz wrote:If that isn't a form of rabid nationalism - to think we can impose our views on the world with the military, I don't know what is.

No, that's imperialism. You are very strange.

Blogger Johnny July 27, 2016 2:53 PM  

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Anonymous BGKB July 27, 2016 3:24 PM  

There's just something ironic about a self-proclaimed Red Indian saying that outsiders can't be integrated into the tribe

Would you expect him to let Johnny TwoSpirt's black boyfriend join the tribe?

Cuckservative that suggested 80 some odd percent of Hispanics in America had no intention of actually staying

And once they find out they can collect social security disability for NO SPEAK ENGLISH like Puerto Ricans in PR?

Anonymous SciVo July 27, 2016 3:25 PM  

The Overgrown Hobbit wrote:I get that people proclaimed "white" by SJW opportunists (who like themselves a good hate) and need a socially-acceptable target to bully, might band together in self-defense; but it's still a phony proposition put together by a bunch of mal-educated wanna-be Marxists.

Light is a continuous spectrum, so even the enumeration of colors is to some extent arbitrary, let alone the precise placement of the divisions between them. So that raises the question: do colors exist?

I say yes, and furthermore that anyone who thinks otherwise is a damn fool for letting his rationalization hamster talk him out of believing his own eyes.

Blogger praetorian July 27, 2016 3:29 PM  

Need to spell check before publishing

Against blog policy.

Great comment.

Anonymous Sam the Man July 27, 2016 3:36 PM  

The 1790 census shows Germans making up less than 10% of the US population.

Going back to the very early founding of the country there was an incentive to Anglicize your name and "be" English. Not so hard for the 1st generation Germans to do. Mueller becomes Miller, Schmidt becomes Smith, etc. Even religion was not an issue a lot of the Lutheran denominations were not that different from Episcopalian. So a lot of the German 1st/2nd generation would not identify as German in 1790, especially after the cleansing that occurred with Tories just prior. Also in New York, identifying as Dutch was closer to the preferred ethnic flavor, so there would be bleed over into that category, especially for Holstein-Friesian / Hanseatic League Germans, which followed into the Dutch areas

A lot of the Germans/Swiss coming in to PA between 1740 and 1770 were refugees from the palatinate/Saarland. Those not Anabaptist knew it would be wise to assimilate and did. In New York and PA there was a lot of intermarriage with the Englander/Scotch stock in the 1770s through the 1790s. So I would put forward their might have been a bit more German ethnic mix than indicated by the census.

Kind of like in the 1940~1950s a lot a "Hispanics" became white, folks will tend to associate with the ethnic group that offers them the best deal, at least outwardly. Today it is better to be a minority, lots of set-asides. Get rid of affirmative action and you will see a lot of ethnic groups re-define themselves as white. Make refined culture the model of respect on TV and movies and the upwardly mobile will once again listen to classical music instead of "wah up bitch" rap tunes as is now the fashion.

Blogger tublecane July 27, 2016 3:48 PM  

Why should we listen to some idiot who thinks conservatism in America started in 1955? Or not an idiot, but a special pleader, who defines "the conservative movement" as that thing started by Buckley and reaching its apogee upon the reelection of Ronald Reagan. Does no one remember that Buckleyites used to be called the New Right? Any definition of the modern American conservative movement that doesn't start with opposition to the New Deal is ridiculous.

One reason they don't start back then I know, is that Buckley and others made peace with the New Deal, if not embraced it, in order to use Leviathan to fight the commies. Or just because they liked it. Their hero, Reagan, was a New Deal Democrat, after all. Another reason is that there were too many racists (i.e. wrongthinkers) in the movement prior to whatever date all good people stopped being racist, and the farther back you go the more of them there are.

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 3:58 PM  

Goldwater’s loss in 1964 was a historical disaster for the nation and the world.

Fixed that for ya, treacherous cuck scum.

Anonymous Obvious question July 27, 2016 4:40 PM  

Would you expect him to let Johnny TwoSpirt's black boyfriend join the tribe?

Which tribe, Crow or Blackfeet?

OpenID ymarsakar July 27, 2016 4:41 PM  

Equality under the law, something the nationalists in the US will not have if they continue to follow Lucifer.

Equality of human capabilities, well that was pointless to begin with. To progress, humans need opposing forces.

Blogger Ilíon July 27, 2016 4:52 PM  

"Would you expect him to let Johnny TwoSpirt's black boyfriend join the tribe?"

Do you mean something like Thiel's "I'm proud to be a "gay" American and I don't give a damn about men in the women's room, and you'd better not either, 'cause the Alt-Right has won" speech?

Blogger Ilíon July 27, 2016 4:53 PM  

So, when do all you winners pull out the knee-pads?

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 4:58 PM  

@73 Dexter

What Indian tribe has ever integrated outsiders?
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Not trying to be disagreeable, but look at Seminole and Cherokee.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 5:09 PM  

@103 Snidely Whiplash
My dad was French and Cornish. My Irish mother wouldn't let him have a gun.
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Now that you mention it, I had one Irish grandfather who I don't believe had a gun. Maybe a hunting gun. But his wife had a lil snub nose revolver always in her purse, she was Danish.

Blogger Ilíon July 27, 2016 5:23 PM  

88. Hezekiah Garrett: "My own people have integrated any number of outsiders into the ani-kituwah. Some say that Adgakala was born Nippising. Some say Nanny Ollie was born Natchee. None say they, or their children, especially Tsiyugansini, were not Tsalagi.

OTOH, is it a good idea? It certainly proved disastrous in the long term to integrate Whites into our tribe, though not without exception. Bushyhead and Gunrod spring to mind.
"

Damn that Nancy Ward (*) for working for peace between the Cherokee and the Americans! Damn her family all the way back to MoyToy; and damn her cousin, Sequoyah, too! ;)

(*) One of my ancestors was her second (and white) husband. His (white) son and the son's Cherokee wife are who I'm descended from. Considering how many children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren they had I wouldn't be surprised if I am a cousin to most living Cherokee.

My direct ancestor didn't get shipped out West, though his cousins, and possibly some siblings, did. And then he fought for the Union in the Civil War. So, of course, he was excluded from the various enrollments after the Cherokee won their suits against the federal government.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 5:27 PM  

I've got a Cherokee confederate flag somewhere

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 5:28 PM  

> ymarsakar

I never thought I'd see someone who made Wheeler look rational.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 27, 2016 5:38 PM  

@120

We don't have cousins. We have matriarchal clans.

You don't understand the first thing about who Nanyehi Ward was, what she actually did, or how we might feel about it. And Sogwili was NOT Nanyehi's relative. Wrong clan.

But act like an ignorant peckerwood all you wish.

Blogger CM July 27, 2016 5:49 PM  

But act like an ignorant peckerwood all you wish.

Why I will never attempt to find what tribe I'm descended from. I'm white. Not German, French, Norwegian, or (insert kalamazoo indian tribe here).

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 27, 2016 6:26 PM  

@124. Good for you! Nothing fascinates me more than the American obsession of finding an Indian ancestor. I mean, granted, once you know their tribe, and your blood quantum, you unlock the powers of flight and night vision, but besides that...

@120 Even more fascinating is that when I directly contradict VD, it isn't those fan boys you deride who jump in with snark, just you. Makes me wonder how often you picture VD in the shower. He's probably not ever gonna let you suck his dick, so better to just let it go. Moving on is hard, but stalking is just sad .

Blogger SirHamster July 27, 2016 6:40 PM  

James Dixon wrote:I never thought I'd see someone who made Wheeler look rational.

I thought he was a pretty interesting commenter in the past, especially on other blogs. A little sad to find Trump is his trigger.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 27, 2016 7:14 PM  

SirHamster wrote:I thought he was a pretty interesting commenter in the past, especially on other blogs. A little sad to find Trump is his trigger.
Having people he was always willing to denigrate as allies finally win without his assistance is his trigger.

Blogger tz July 27, 2016 7:18 PM  

Indian tribes rarely integrated foreigners, but the mountain men would take indian wives.
They had less problems assimilating them, at least the tribe that practiced cannibalism.

Blogger tz July 27, 2016 7:20 PM  

@125 Finding a drop of native American blood unlocks the magic of affirmative action. You are now first in line because your VQ - victim quotient is 6SD.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 27, 2016 7:50 PM  

@129. Well there is that. Pathetic.

I've never filled out the demographic survey on any job app. I turned down a free ride to a math college in NJ. Joined the Navy instead.

I'm not taking some Marxist's handout. I'm a man. I'll stand or fall on my merits.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 27, 2016 7:55 PM  

@129. In fact, you gotta admit it casts a pall on that master race thing if a dirty blanket ass has more self respect than a lot of peckerwoods.

Blogger rcocean July 27, 2016 8:28 PM  

Revisionism is right. At the time, no one thought that Goldwater's nomination "identified Republicans as being against Civil Rights" because its Southern Democrats who opposed the bill and been filibustering it for years. Even Goldwater opposed it due to principled states rights.

If Mitt Romnney could be tele-ported back to 1964 and been nominated on a platform of affirmative action, open borders, Massive Muslim immigration, Gay marriage and supporting PC, he would have gotten 5% of the vote.

Blogger rcocean July 27, 2016 8:31 PM  

"Conservatives" like Goldberg, Lowry, and Roy are nothing more than 1992 liberals. "Conservatives" conserve nothing.

Anonymous BGKB July 27, 2016 8:48 PM  

Don't try to out gay me Hezekiah Garrett

So, when do all you winners pull out the knee-pads? When weeding.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 27, 2016 9:00 PM  

tz wrote:@125 Finding a drop of native American blood unlocks the magic of affirmative action. You are now first in line because your VQ - victim quotient is 6SD.

That's more than 9,000 milli-butthurts! The butthurt of almost ten men! Incredibru!

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 27, 2016 9:09 PM  

@134. Funnily enough, I was thinking a little bit ago, "I do not want to become 'the Indian' here, like BGKB is 'the faggot'."

Then I remembered VD is THE Indian here, I'm just Injun.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 27, 2016 9:59 PM  


What Indian tribe has ever integrated outsiders?

White settlers did not integrate the Indians.

The whole point of reservations was that Indians couldn't be integrated, so they had to be segregated. (And yes same logic applies to black segregation.)


Sure they did. They raided, killed the adults, and adopted the surviving children. These integrated so well that when their own relatives tried to bring them back as adults; the adults refused to return to "white America"

You've got cause and effect backwards as well, when it comes to US integration of Amerinds. Those tribes that did not stay on the reservation and accept the total government control of their life, i.e. handout/gimmedat central, are economically successful, socially civilised, and indistinguishable from middle class white Americans.

Indeed, the social dysfunction of the tribal peoples living in government welfare Gimmedat ghettos (See: absolutely true diary of an American Indian) is identical to that of the black Americans living in the government welfare (use your eyes) is identical to the chavs living in government welfare Gimmedat ghettos. (Life at the bottom)

And interestigly enough these are three separate races. Why it is almost as if the dominant white Marxist culture was capable of turning nearly subhuman any race at all!


Logic suggests that the converse is true.

Which brings me back to why VD's proposition of a nation of "whites" as defined by modern SJWs (not the 1790 Act, nor yet modern white nationalists who have their own definition (s!) of same is any more or less a proposition than is the one that we're a Christian constitutionalist nation.

Back to you.

Side note: "look it up in the VP site archives," he says. Hahahahahahaha! Good one!

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 27, 2016 10:23 PM  

Hezekiah Garrett wrote:...Then I remembered VD is THE Indian here, I'm just Injun.

Well, at least you're not a subject of Princess Fauxcahontas of the Cigar-Store Tribe, also known as Queen Taxagawea.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 27, 2016 10:42 PM  

"Of course, white nationalism is, quite literally, the raison d'etre for the U.S. Constitution and was signed into law by George Washington in the Naturalization Act of 1790."

Actually, quite literally, American citizenship was delineated at that point in time, which made complete sense. However, the Founding Fathers enabled Congress to change that criteria. So it’s not white nationalism, but American nationalism, which is not exclusively white, or Caucasian, or European. American is a mutt nation.

Frank Brady…

“1. A state is a self-governing political entity.”

Which consists of citizens as defined by the group of people who reside in that state.

‘2. A nation is a tightly-knit group of people that share a common culture.”

With the people of that given area as a large group and as smaller groups establishing specific,
agreed upon patterns of living.


Chris Mallory…

“We had no hordes of immigrants until the 1840's when the scum of Ireland and Germany invaded our shores.”

What do you call Scotch Irish, Danish, and Flemish? They immigrated here during the 1600 and 1700’s. Moreover, are not the Irish and Germans “white”, you cuck?

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 28, 2016 12:56 AM  

@138. You can say what ever you want about the Distinguished Lady from Massachusetts, but I just want to smear honey all over her body...

And stake her over an ant bed with wet rawhide.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 28, 2016 2:43 AM  

@2

"Y'all motherfuckers need Vishnu."

The correct pronoun here is "All a' y'all"

As in: All a' y'all motherfuckers need Vishnu.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 28, 2016 2:47 AM  

@8

"Crony Capitalism" is a term made up by leftists to disparage THEIR enemies -- despite the fact that the particular enemies are NEVER actual free-market types.

Get it rhetorically and factually right: CRONY SOCIALISTS.

Anybody on the government dole seeking more handouts is a socialists -- whether he is a pauper or a multi-millionaire businessman, welfare is welfare is socialist.

Anonymous Mister M July 28, 2016 7:43 AM  

No, Buckley did not 'focus on free markets'. He trotted out some free market rhetoric once in a while.

Get it right Vickram.

Blogger Ilíon July 28, 2016 9:09 AM  

some wanna-be injun: "We don't have cousins. We have matriarchal clans."

Who gives a shit that "we" pretend that cousins are not cousins?

"You don't understand the first thing about who Nanyehi Ward was, what she actually did, or how we might feel about it."

Well, let's see -- Nancy Ward was always a voice for peace between the Cherokee and the Americans, she personally saved the lives of at least some whites captured by the more excitable "yoofs" amongst the Cherokee engaged in "frolics", and she lead by example in her urging the Cherokee to learn "white ways" (i.e. to become civilized ... the basis of which involves switching from matriarchy to patriarchy).

So yeah, I think I knew what I was talking about above.

"And Sogwili was NOT Nanyehi's relative. Wrong clan."

Who gives a shit that "we" pretend that cousins are not cousins, and that fathers and grandfathers are not fathers and grandfathers?

I certainly don't give a shit; but then, I don't nurse a childish mindset that glorifies barbarism and savagery.

"But act like an ignorant peckerwood all you wish."

So, now you're a Dindu?

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 28, 2016 9:58 AM  

@144

'so now you're a dindu?'

No, I've never even met your mom.

Anonymous BGKB July 28, 2016 10:55 AM  

Hezekiah Garrett "I do not want to become 'the Indian' here, like BGKB is 'the faggot'." Then I remembered VD is THE Indian here, I'm just Injun.

If you need to feel special you can take the role of biggest faggot but don't blame me if you get banned.

Anonymous Big Bill July 28, 2016 4:02 PM  

The reason Hindu Brahmins like Roy come to the US is to escape Equality in India. They segregated and discriminated for 3000 years to get to the top of the heap. Now that the Indian government is pushing Equality in India, these sorry Hindu bastiges desperately try to escape, take their loot and run off to America where they IMMEDIATELY beg for the "equality" they refused to give to their own countrymen and co-religionists in the motherland.

650 million Indians urinate and defecate on the ground like wild animals.

Sent Arik Roy back home to dig latrines for his own people if he is so keen for "equality".

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