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Wednesday, July 27, 2016

Tor doubles down

This is fantastic news for Castalia House and all readers of Blue SF. PNH has been anointed Tom Doherty's heir and will be running Tor Books in the future.
Patrick Nielsen Hayden has been named Associate Publisher of Tor Books, effective immediately. This award-winning 28-year veteran of Tor has brought numerous prestigious and bestselling authors to the list, including John Scalzi, Cory Doctorow and Charlie Jane Anders, to name a few. His vision has been instrumental in the development of Tor.

Devi Pillai, who led the US division of Orbit to its position as Tor’s fastest-growing competitor, will be joining Tor, also as Associate Publisher. “I’ve watched Devi’s work with admiration for a long time now; her qualifications are outstanding, and she’ll be a great addition to our team,” said Tor Books publisher Tom Doherty. “As we continue our 35-year commitment to adult SF and fantasy, Devi and Patrick will work alongside each other to oversee our numerous editors who work primarily in these twin genres,” he continued.
It's as if Lincoln promoted Custer to replace McClellan instead of Grant. In 28 years, PNH has brought a mediocrity, a tedious didact, and a no-talent transvestite to Tor. That's the best he could do? Castalia House will be announcing two better, and better-selling, authors than any of those three in the next six weeks alone.

Tom Doherty should have fired PNH and Irene Gallo last year, but he was too old and infirm to find the courage to do it. Instead, he merely muzzled them while he could. With this promotion, however, PNH will have the opportunity to return to what is literally a bully pulpit.

This promises to be entertaining. When the Tor ship goes down, it should be PNH at the helm.

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80 Comments:

Blogger FALPhil July 27, 2016 8:02 AM  

Lord have mercy. You can't make this shit up.

Anonymous WinstonWebb July 27, 2016 8:05 AM  

Return of the Toad?

If he has the reins, I don't think he'll be able to keep from doing so.

Anonymous JAG July 27, 2016 8:08 AM  

I saw a reference, but cannot remember where, about a guy that makes a fortune looking for SJW converged companies. When he finds a major one that has recently been, or is about to be SJW converged he invests in their competitors. That is a very sound practice at this point. I gonna get in on it myself because you don't need insider info for it. These companies will happily announce their convergence publicly. Target is a great example.

Anonymous JAG July 27, 2016 8:09 AM  

Oh, and this is yet another example of the true nature of the leftist being contrarian. In their world you fail upwards.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 27, 2016 8:13 AM  

@VD Any idea who TOR is trying lure in by hiring Devi Pillai?

Orbit has David Brin, Kevin Anderson and Jim Butcher. Plus some others.

Blogger JV Small July 27, 2016 8:15 AM  

If the last Tor Book I made the mistake of purchasing is anything to go by, and you're right that this just means more of convergence of their titles, then I can only keep myself away from Tor.

#3 - Interesting. Though, outside of CH and BAEN are there any non-converged publishers you can recommend? And who are the parent corporations? And what are the prospects of them following Tor into convergence, or their converged/non-converged status?

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 8:22 AM  

> When he finds a major one that has recently been, or is about to be SJW converged he invests in their competitors.

All of Tor's major competitors are converged too, and none of them are publicly traded (otherwise they would be excellent short opportunities). The only major investment option I know of in the field is Amazon. Given their P/E, I'm not sure that's a good bet either.

Of course, someone here might be in a position to do something about that in a few years. :)

Blogger VoodooJock July 27, 2016 8:26 AM  

General Benjamin Franklin Butler would have been a good choice too. The guy was an absolute failure with tactics, completely incompetent, and Southerners were so enamored with him that his face wound up in the bottom of their chamber pots.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 8:31 AM  

> All of Tor's major competitors are converged too, and none of them are publicly traded

Well, I forgot Baen, obviously. But as far as I can tell they're an independent private company.

Anonymous JAG July 27, 2016 8:33 AM  

I was speaking in general, and not about Tor or the publishing industry in particular in regards to the guy who invests against SJW converged companies.

Blogger Dave July 27, 2016 8:38 AM  

This award-winning 28-year veteran of Tor

He's won awards can't you see.

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 27, 2016 8:42 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> All of Tor's major competitors are converged too, and none of them are publicly traded

Well, I forgot Baen, obviously. But as far as I can tell they're an independent private company.



Gavin Mcinnes was the one talking about his friend and you are not understanding what he is really doing. He isn't only buying competitors stock, he is also short selling the converged companies stock. I am about to short TGT because I think their bathroom policy is going to hurt earnings. I am not sure I can recommend shorting Macmillan (Tor's owning company) because TOR is a pretty small part of their overall portfolio.

Blogger Booch Paradise July 27, 2016 8:45 AM  

JAG wrote:I saw a reference, but cannot remember where, about a guy that makes a fortune looking for SJW converged companies. When he finds a major one that has recently been, or is about to be SJW converged he invests in their competitors. That is a very sound practice at this point. I gonna get in on it myself because you don't need insider info for it. These companies will happily announce their convergence publicly. Target is a great example.

Your thinking of Charles C. Johnson of gotnews.com. And he actually doesn't invest in competitors, but shorts their stock.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 8:54 AM  

> I was speaking in general, and not about Tor or the publishing industry in particular in regards to the guy who invests against SJW converged companies.

And I was pointing out that this isn't really an option in this space. All the big publishers are privately owned. The only big publisher you can buy or short that I know of is Amazon. If anyone knows of any others I'd love to be corrected.

> ...and you are not understanding what he is really doing. He isn't only buying competitors stock, he is also short selling the converged companies stock.

What makes you think I didn't understand?

> I am not sure I can recommend shorting Macmillan...

You can't short a company that isn't traded. Macmillan's parent company (Verlagsgruppe Georg von Holtzbrinck) isn't, as far as I can tell.

Anonymous Reaper July 27, 2016 8:55 AM  

Vox, you've become predictable, especially when discussing SF and Trump. Might have to make a drinking game of it.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 8:56 AM  

Wikipedia's article on Tor and MacMillan's parent company is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_von_Holtzbrinck_Publishing_Group

Anonymous Steve July 27, 2016 8:58 AM  

In 28 years, PNH has brought a mediocrity, a tedious didact, and a no-talent transvestite to Tor.

But enough about Scalzi...

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 27, 2016 9:03 AM  



> ...and you are not understanding what he is really doing. He isn't only buying competitors stock, he is also short selling the converged companies stock.

What makes you think I didn't understand?



Sorry, meant to quote JAG not you.

Blogger Unknown July 27, 2016 9:17 AM  

Slightly off-topic, but there is an opportunity to Dixie Chick some SJWs. There is news about 100 celebrities publicly vowing to oppose Trump. I think one of them should be selected and publically humiliated just like Dixie Chicks were in 2003.
They Brendan Eich some of their opponents in order to intimidate the rest. If we Dixie Chcik one of theirs, it will teach them a lesson.

Anonymous Zbignu July 27, 2016 9:20 AM  

I forgot, is Scalzi the mediocrity or the transvestite?

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 9:27 AM  

> Sorry, meant to quote JAG not you.

No problem. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Blogger seeingsights July 27, 2016 9:29 AM  

Scalzi is all three!

Anonymous ZhukovG July 27, 2016 9:29 AM  

I can't help but wonder if this is Tom Doherty's way of getting in a final FU, before shuffling off.

Anonymous NateM July 27, 2016 9:30 AM  

"PNH has brought a mediocrity, a tedious didact, and a no-talent transvestite to Tor."


Surely Scalzi can't count for 3 people...

Anonymous NateM July 27, 2016 9:35 AM  

@17 damn, beat me to it

Blogger The Other Robot July 27, 2016 9:38 AM  

@3: How about Yahoo? Oh, damn. They are already on the way down.

How about any company Marissa Meyer is appointed CEO to?

Blogger The Other Robot July 27, 2016 9:39 AM  

I look forward to spending more money on Castalia House books.

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 27, 2016 9:47 AM  

The Other Robot wrote:@3: How about Yahoo? Oh, damn. They are already on the way down.

How about any company Marissa Meyer is appointed CEO to?



Yahoo is an example of the risk you take when shorting these companies. Sometimes they tank but another successful company is stupid enough to buy them out which usually spikes the stock back up.

Blogger maniacprovost July 27, 2016 9:49 AM  

"numerous prestigious and bestselling authors to the list, including John Scalzi, Cory Doctorow and Charlie Jane Anders"

AHAHAHAHAHA

Blogger Worlds Edge July 27, 2016 9:53 AM  

Who's the "tedious didact?" Stross? Heaven knows he moderates his blog like he hasn't a good bowel movement in two decades. Worse than Scalzi, from what I've seen.

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 9:56 AM  

Worlds Edge wrote:Who's the "tedious didact?" Stross? Heaven knows he moderates his blog like he hasn't a good bowel movement in two decades. Worse than Scalzi, from what I've seen.
Those descriptions directly mapped to the small list of names provided in the press release, so the tedious didact would be Doctorow.

Blogger The Other Robot July 27, 2016 9:57 AM  

Here is another SJW converged company.

Anonymous Electryon July 27, 2016 9:58 AM  

Reaper wrote:Vox, you've become predictable, especially when discussing SF and Trump. Might have to make a drinking game of it.

Pretty much. No matter what happens, he is going to claim victory for his own side and invite others to laugh and celebrate.
He may as well start writing articles like this every single time a new extremely pro-SJ speculative fiction novel or exclusively female/queer/colored SFF or weird fiction anthology gets released to overwhelming praise, awards and avalanche of positive amazon reviews. Look guise, we are winning...

Anonymous Mjusiq July 27, 2016 10:01 AM  

@3 That would be: The Johnson Dollar Diversity hypothesis.

"The Johnson dollar diversity dilemma hypothesis is that you can tell how badly a company is doing by how much its CEO and board signal progressive causes–and that you can use that information to short a company stock."

I do belive its the founder? of GotNews, Charles C. Johnson, making money on companies becoming to SJW. I heard about this a few days ago - while Charles C. Johnson was interviewed by Stefan Molynex in a YT video.

http://gotnews.com/tag/johnson-dollar-diversity-hypothesis/

Blogger Jon Bromfield July 27, 2016 10:08 AM  

It would be fun to create a derivative pool on Tor but you would need speculators who would bet on Tor's value increasing under PNH's regime. Unlikely, especially as even JohnnyCon by his own admission took his big Tor contract as an insurance policy against a falling market.

OpenID basementhomebrewer July 27, 2016 10:09 AM  

Electryon wrote:Reaper wrote:Vox, you've become predictable, especially when discussing SF and Trump. Might have to make a drinking game of it.

Pretty much. No matter what happens, he is going to claim victory for his own side and invite others to laugh and celebrate.

He may as well start writing articles like this every single time a new extremely pro-SJ speculative fiction novel or exclusively female/queer/colored SFF or weird fiction anthology gets released to overwhelming praise, awards and avalanche of positive amazon reviews. Look guise, we are winning...


Define avalanche, and I notice you don't mention actual sales.

Blogger Dave July 27, 2016 10:15 AM  

Castalia House will be announcing two better, and better-selling, authors than any of those three in the next six weeks alone.

Whatta tease. Ok obligatory question: will there be hardcover or paperback versions? Asking for a friend.

Blogger Jack Ward July 27, 2016 10:24 AM  

I sincerely wish Mr. Hayden all those things he so richly deserves to come his way. And, as they do, I, along with the Ilk, will enjoy popcorn and liquid anesthesia.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 27, 2016 10:24 AM  

Tor cornering the aging shrinking white libtard demographic, as if the New Better "mericans read books with their 90 point IQs or the mooslims and their religious stricture against artwork.

Blogger Dave July 27, 2016 10:25 AM  

Define avalanche, and I notice you don't mention actual sales.

Sales? pshhhawww we're talkin about overwhelming praise, awards and avalanche of positive amazon reviews

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 27, 2016 10:31 AM  

Before Custer had his "small" setback in the Plains, he razed the Valley. Truly, a yellow hair demon, in hell now. I shudder to think how much worse, if possible to imagine, the Mississippi Campaign and the March To The Sea with Custer in charge.

Anonymous Reaper July 27, 2016 10:32 AM  

Amazon reviews would roughly correlate to sales.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker July 27, 2016 10:33 AM  

What's the scoop on Devi Pillai? How does she compare to PNH as an editor?

Blogger Melampus the Seer July 27, 2016 10:41 AM  

Isn't this a demotion for PNH? Previously had had no peer, and now he does.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 10:42 AM  

> Amazon reviews would roughly correlate to sales.

Can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking?

Blogger Chiva July 27, 2016 10:45 AM  

Vox, you've become predictable

“Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.” -- Sun Tzu.

Anonymous Reaper July 27, 2016 10:49 AM  

James, more so that "top seller by category". Depending on the category of course. :)

Blogger Unknown July 27, 2016 10:54 AM  

#Jag

You are talking about Mike Cernovich.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 11:04 AM  

> James, more so that "top seller by category". Depending on the category of course.

To which I merely repeat my original question. Whatever it is, it must be good.

Anonymous BGKB July 27, 2016 11:08 AM  

Vox, you've become predictable, especially when discussing SF and Trump. Might have to make a drinking game of it

Make sure all the drinks are doubles.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 27, 2016 11:10 AM  

Electryon wrote:Pretty much. No matter what happens, he is going to claim victory for his own side and invite others to laugh and celebrate.

He may as well start writing articles like this every single time a new extremely pro-SJ speculative fiction novel or exclusively female/queer/colored SFF or weird fiction anthology gets released to overwhelming praise, awards and avalanche of positive amazon reviews. Look guise, we are winning...


Look mate, Vox and Markku are the ones that have money in their wallets due to the publishers' incompetence. He is celebrating because PNH will destroy his largest competitor.
The thing about a strictly-freak or strictly-minority anthology, is that it is compiled EXPRESSLY to garner praise from academics and the publishing industry. It is not compiled to SELL. It will win awards, it will get dozens of rave Amazon reviews, it will get all sorts of lovely attention from the usual suspects.
What it won't get is money.

Blogger Dave July 27, 2016 11:14 AM  

Hmmm, would this be an avalanche of positive Amazon reviews? 4.8 stars almost 400 reviews

Trump Temptation: The Billionaire & The Bellboy
https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Temptation-Billionaire-Elijah-Daniel-ebook/dp/B01AX111Q2?ie=UTF8&qid=1469318423&ref_=la_B01AXD9GDK_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1#nav-subnav

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 27, 2016 11:19 AM  

Reaper wrote:James, more so that "top seller by category". Depending on the category of course. :)

Yes of course. Top Seller by category = actual sales figure. Unverified buyer reviews = possible sales.

Yep, reviews are definitely the better measure. BTW are you in a position to hire commissioned sales people at your company? If so I would love to apply for a sales position where I am compensated based on random people's reviews on the internet of the product we are selling.

Blogger Dave July 27, 2016 11:23 AM  

Does Fiverr still sell
reviews?

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 11:24 AM  

"Amazon reviews would roughly correlate to sales."

Would. If they did. But they don't.

They especially don't for reviewers who never buy or read the book but who post 1 star or 5 star reviews based solely on the politiof the author.

Learn something, guys.

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 11:25 AM  

Feck!

Based on the politics of the author

Anonymous Reaper July 27, 2016 11:35 AM  

basementhomebrewer; both methods are susceptible to abuse. Top Seller by category is less obvious when it's abused.

Blogger Matthew July 27, 2016 11:39 AM  

Dave wrote:Ok obligatory question: will there be hardcover or paperback versions? Asking for a friend.

Almost all books will be published simultaneously in both paperback and hardcover editions. The exceptions will be shorter titles, like Rod Walker's YA SF novels. These will be published in a smaller format paperback, then collected into hardcover omnibuses.

Except in special circumstances, the print editions will lag the ebook releases by a few weeks at minimum. Among other reasons, this allows us to gather corrections from readers before committing to paper.

Blogger Matthew July 27, 2016 11:42 AM  

Amazon reviews help drive sales. We like having lots of them.

Only the verified purchase reviews provide actual information about actual popularity.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 27, 2016 11:47 AM  

Reaper wrote:basementhomebrewer; both methods are susceptible to abuse. Top Seller by category is less obvious when it's abused.

It also takes much more effort to abuse. I assume you are implying that the publisher is buying their own books to boost the sales number. If that is the case, that requires the publisher to cough up the money for the purchases. Getting lots of favorable reviews only takes a couple free blog posts.

Anonymous reaper July 27, 2016 11:52 AM  

I assume you are implying that the publisher is buying their own books to boost the sales number.

It's been demonstrated that an author can buy as few as 2 of his own books to get into a top seller position for a brief time. But screen shots and tag lines live forever...

Blogger Geir Balderson July 27, 2016 12:22 PM  

Tor is ROT spelled backwards. And, backwards is the way they are going. I haven't bought a Tor book in years. Some, like Ted Cruz, love to shoot themselves in the leg.

Blogger YIH July 27, 2016 12:26 PM  

Jon Bromfield wrote:It would be fun to create a derivative pool on Tor but you would need speculators who would bet on Tor's value increasing under PNH's regime. Unlikely, especially as even JohnnyCon by his own admission took his big Tor contract as an insurance policy against a falling market.
MR CAPS LOCK is going to learn about the ''lifetime guarantee'' conundrum - as in whose 'lifetime', yours or the company's?

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 27, 2016 12:53 PM  

Castalia House might want to watch out for them to expand their offensive capabilities for a last-ditch spite attack as they go under.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 27, 2016 1:03 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Castalia House might want to watch out for them to expand their offensive capabilities for a last-ditch spite attack as they go under.

On the bright side if you have a blue mage he can probably learn it.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 1:09 PM  

@41 JaimeInTexas

My conspiracy is he was sent out on a suicide mission to get him out of someones hair.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 1:21 PM  

> basementhomebrewer; both methods are susceptible to abuse. Top Seller by category is less obvious when it's abused.

Well yes, they are. But you see, to abuse the top seller by category you actually have to get people to, you know, buy the book.

> I assume you are implying that the publisher is buying their own books to boost the sales number.

In this case, the appropriate word is insinuate, and he has a specific publisher in mind. But he won't actually come out and say that.

Blogger VD July 27, 2016 1:43 PM  

you are implying that the publisher is buying their own books to boost the sales number.

I can't speak for any other publisher, but we don't and we never have. In fact, I have never even seen a paperback of Cuckservative.

Blogger RobertDWood July 27, 2016 2:20 PM  

Come now, that is unfair to Custer. He did win several battles prior to Little Big Horn, and his wife was regarded widely as delightful and attractive.

Such things may not be said in truth of PNH.

Anonymous Difster July 27, 2016 2:41 PM  

TORn to pieces.

Anonymous Siobhan July 27, 2016 3:06 PM  

OK, OK, tedious didact is fair, and some of his work is unreadable, but Doctorow's _Little Brother_ is a great book, and one I'd've thought you'd appreciate.

Blogger bob k. mando July 27, 2016 3:16 PM  

VD
and a no-talent transvestite to Tor.



hah. and it was, what? just two weeks ago that i got temp banned from ArsTech for pointing out that "Charlie Jane" ( yeah, THAT'S somebody who's trying to pass for female ) was screwing the Ars culture editor.

Ars is the gift that keeps on giving.

Blogger Roger G2 July 27, 2016 3:58 PM  

Seems I heard the same thing-and in the version I heard, the investor was none other than Charles C. Johnson.
FWIW:
Can't say I know the entire story but in an article of his I read concerning Twitter, he writes:
"Only one group can win. Place your bets. I have."

Anonymous Avalanche July 27, 2016 10:42 PM  

@3 "When he finds a major one that has recently been, or is about to be SJW converged"

I'm dismayed to find Wired magazine, to which I have subscribed since it's birth, has gone MASSIVELY SJW... Their 'tech' is being swamped by feelz: they actually did a supporting/positive article on BLM!! I'm thinking I'll have to let my subscription expire -- I want the tech info, but it's going away more and more! {sigh}

Anonymous LastRedoubt July 28, 2016 1:58 AM  

Scalzi - yup.

Cory Doctorow, tedious didact.

Yup.

"Down and Out..." was a mediocre piece with an interesting starting premise and many flaws and holes.

Little Brother - trudged through it.

Never touched anything else.

He doesn't just hit you over the head with a 2x4 but puts spikes in it, and extra weights, in order to make sure you. got. the. point.

Who the hell is the third author?

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 28, 2016 3:30 AM  

Will there be some recommendatons for Hugo Voting coming soon?

Blogger bob k. mando July 28, 2016 3:47 AM  

75. LastRedoubt July 28, 2016 1:58 AM
Who the hell is the third author?



a disinterested third party movie reviewer who is a transgender ( M>F transitioning ) who just so happens to love the new Ghostbusters movie ... purely on it's merits.

Blogger Shimshon July 28, 2016 4:45 AM  

@76 That train left the station. Vox posted Hugo shortlist last week.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 6:07 AM  

> I'm thinking I'll have to let my subscription expire

Don't just let it expire. Make sure you tell them why when they call you about resubscribing.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 29, 2016 12:50 AM  

You will have much more impact if you write them (snail-mail) to cancel your subscription before it expires, and tell them why.

Of course, you should demand a pro-rata refund.

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