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Thursday, July 14, 2016

Trump picks Pence

I don't know much about Indiana governor Mike Pence, so I don't have an opinion on this. The big question is what his voting record on immigration is. I expect he's probably fine on guns and so forth.

UPDATE: He looks pretty damned good.
1. He Wanted To Report & Deport Undocumented People In The Hospital

In 2004, then-Senator Pence voted for Undocumented Alien Emergency Medical Assistance Amendments Bill HR 3722, which would have required hospitals to gather and report information on possible undocumented patients before hospitals could be reimbursed for treating them. The bill would have also stated that hospitals wouldn't be required to provide care to undocumented people if they could be transported to their home country (AKA deported while they're in the hospital) without a "significant chance" of their condition getting worse. Luckily, the bill failed.

2. He's Rated 100% By FAIR

The very conservative Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a national, non-profit, public interest membership organization that seeks to "improve" border security and stop illegal immigration. A 100 percent rating from them is a like a stamp of approval that Pence is throughly anti-immigration.
Other than his criticism of Trump's proposed Muslim ban, he appears to be about as strongly anti-immigration as an elected Republican gets. He even "ordered state agencies to suspend the relocation of any more Syrian refugees to Indiana."

UPDATE: Announcement postponed due to the latest Muslim mass murder in France.

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Blogger The Gray Man July 14, 2016 5:54 PM  

I'm a little nervous about Pence because I don't know that much about him. Hopefully the good things I see on the surface actually pan out!

Blogger Harry Cassandra July 14, 2016 5:56 PM  

Trump has since modified his position slightly on the Muslim ban, and there also have been more attacks (Orlando, now Nice etc), so Pence could easily change his initial criticism to Can't Stump the Trump 2.0.

Blogger Crude July 14, 2016 6:00 PM  

My biggest issue with Pence is that he completely buckled in the face of corporate opposition to a law - which was already passed at that point - which would keep Christians from having to service same-sex weddings and suchshit.

But I don't care. I'm voting for Trump, I'm quite locked in and I know it. So long as he doesn't go PC or buckle on immigration during this election, he has my vote.

Anonymous andon July 14, 2016 6:01 PM  

I am surprised. I thought I heard that he did an 180 reversal to open borders like Kasich and all those other midwestern sellouts.

Blogger Salt July 14, 2016 6:03 PM  

Trump cheerleader Ann Coulter not exactly turning cartwheels over possible Pence pick

http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/07/14/trump-cheerleader-ann-coulter-not-exactly-turning-cartwheels-over-possible-pence-pick/

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 14, 2016 6:05 PM  

I was hoping for Gingrich, but it won't matter. Newt will have a place in the Cabinet, or Chief of Staff.

Damn, I wish I could interview for SECDEF.

Blogger Whisker biscuit July 14, 2016 6:10 PM  

I was hoping Vince McMahon would get the nod. No chance in hell I suppose!

Anonymous BGKB July 14, 2016 6:14 PM  

He Wanted To Report & Deport Undocumented People In The Hospital

No more illegal alien anchor babies in the ER for diaper rash. Illegal alien drunk drivers bye bye. I have asked my representatives for this and dealing with illegals/homeless using ambulances for taxies.

Blogger SirHamster July 14, 2016 6:18 PM  

Whisker biscuit wrote:I was hoping Vince McMahon would get the nod. No chance in hell I suppose!
There's always Trump's second term.

Anonymous andon July 14, 2016 6:20 PM  

looks like another attack in France - this time by truck

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36800730

video here:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Ht3Zf_0iNPk?autoplay=1&feature=oembed&wmode=opaque

Blogger James Dixon July 14, 2016 6:23 PM  

> My biggest issue with Pence is that he completely buckled in the face of corporate opposition to a law - which was already passed at that point - which would keep Christians from having to service same-sex weddings and suchshit.

Pretty much, yes. Let's hope he learned his lesson from that experience.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar July 14, 2016 6:42 PM  

Savage had good things to say about the choice. Particularly because Pence promotes charter schools- which is a good wedge issue for the minority vote.

Blogger James Dixon July 14, 2016 6:43 PM  

> I was hoping Vince McMahon would get the nod. No chance in hell I suppose!

I kept arguing for Vox, but no such luck.

Anonymous A Visitor July 14, 2016 6:44 PM  

"My biggest issue with Pence is that he completely buckled in the face of corporate opposition to a law - which was already passed at that point - which would keep Christians from having to service same-sex weddings and suchshit."

I'm still pissed about that. You still see "Pence Must Go" signs around Indy. The reason that is so important is it was only last year! If he collapsed like a fat kid in front of a cupcake over an issue that was so dear to him, what makes you think he will do any better on immigration? Do you member his plan that basically tried to take defeat from the jaws of victory back in 2007 2008?

I'm still voting for Trump regardless but I am high skeptical of the governor of my home state given his past actions especially last year

Blogger Josh July 14, 2016 6:51 PM  

Ann Coulter is not happy about pence.

Anonymous Seneca July 14, 2016 6:52 PM  

Chalk me up as one of those who heard "Pence" and thought, "The f-ing pussy who knuckled under to the corporate lobby and sold Christian freedom down the river." Let's hope he works out better in the future but I'm not holding my breath.

Blogger Josh July 14, 2016 6:52 PM  

Pence in 2006:

No employer in America wants to lose employees for an extended amount of time. No worker who is earning money to feed and clothe a family can afford to be off the job for long. … And, an illegal alien currently employed in America will be willing to take a quick trip across the border to come back outside of the shadows and in a job where he does not fear a raid by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In fact, I envision employers working with placement agencies to make sure that their long-time illegal employees get their paperwork processed, background checks performed, and visas issued so that they will be back on the job quickly.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/217912/another-no-amnesty-amnesty-mark-krikorian

Blogger Josh July 14, 2016 6:55 PM  

http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/border-security-and-immigration-building-a-principled-consensus-for-reform

As the grandson of an Irish immigrant, I believe in the ideals that are enshrined on the Statue of Lib­erty in New York Harbor. Located on a plaque on Lady Liberty's pedestal are the words of Emma Laz­arus from the "New Colossus":

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
These words remind us that America always has been and always will be a welcoming nation, wel­coming under the law any and all with the courage to come to this shining city on a hill. But a nation without borders is not a nation, and across this country Americans are anxious about the security of our border.

Blogger Sam Lively July 14, 2016 6:59 PM  

Reading Pence's wiki, it's like one long apology tour.

Anonymous karsten July 14, 2016 7:00 PM  

Pence is another one of those Israel-firsters, and that's the real reason he was chosen: because Trump's staff has convinced him that he needed to kiss the Hebraic ring ever-more obsequiously.

Blogger Mr. B July 14, 2016 7:01 PM  

He was my congressman until the redistricting of 2010 as well as an graduate of my alma mater, Hanover College of Indiana, which in the '80's was quite conservative. Other than having a spine similar to a jellyfish, I think he is an acceptable choice for our purposes.

Anonymous Matt July 14, 2016 7:02 PM  

He seems soft. Trump needs to double down. When you go to 11, like Trump. ALWAYS double down!

Blogger Were-Puppy July 14, 2016 7:04 PM  

I've noticed in the comments at BB people are not very happy with Pence, for various reasons. Especially people who live there in Indiana.

Pretty sure Trump is not announcing this until tomorrow, so let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

There is also these articles not happy about the guy:

http://www.infowars.com/mike-pence-would-be-a-terrible-choice-for-trumps-vp/

http://www.infowars.com/the-problem-with-mike-pence-hes-a-free-trade-globalist/

This is a more favorable article about what Pence would bring to the ticket:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/14/mike-pence-bring-trump-pence-ticket/

Blogger Were-Puppy July 14, 2016 7:05 PM  

@9 SirHamster

There's always Trump's second term.
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If he pulled the McMahons in, it would be assassins in every room :P

Blogger Robert Divinity July 14, 2016 7:05 PM  

@17:

Pence was one of the main congressional proponents of "touchback amnesty," which is sort of what Trump has suggested. I'm for deportation, period.

My preferred Veep pick remains Lt. Gen. Flynn, refortified by what just happened in France. Flynn warned Bush and Obama and was rebuffed. Pence basically is a milquetoast who doesn't inspire anger or much hope. Flynn has no illusions about ISIS or illegals.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 14, 2016 7:07 PM  

@17 Josh

Apparently Pence is cool with the Big Beyoootiful Door concept...

Blogger tz July 14, 2016 7:10 PM  

It will be a great Pence, he's just got 10 feet taller, and Mexico will pay for him.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 14, 2016 7:10 PM  

@18 Josh

As the grandson of an Irish immigrant, I believe in the ideals that are enshrined on the Statue of Lib­erty in New York Harbor.
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Looks like the infowars was right, this guy is an open borders globalist. I really hope Trump doesn't pick him.

Blogger David July 14, 2016 7:15 PM  

I don't care who Trump picks. I'm voting against Hillary!.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 14, 2016 7:22 PM  

So for it is just a runor.

OTOH, Rush Limbaugh's guest host stated that El Rushbo himself was being vetted for the VP slot.

Anonymous Neguy July 14, 2016 7:24 PM  

Pence is an extremely weak leader who is broadly disliked even within Republican circles in Indiana - mostly the metro type Republicans but also many outstate "trucons". He folded like a cheap suit to the LBGT mafia and supports TPP and more trade deals. He's a complete lightweight.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 14, 2016 7:27 PM  

"In light of the horrible attack in Nice, France, I have postponed tomorrow's news conference concerning my Vice Presidential announcement."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/753728269019549696

Blogger Were-Puppy July 14, 2016 7:30 PM  

@31 Neguy

He folded like a cheap suit to the LBGT mafia
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I wonder if it was similar to the otherwise ok Deal in GA? He folded up and took the money from the LGBTQWERTY also...

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 14, 2016 7:30 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:So for it is just a runor.

OTOH, Rush Limbaugh's guest host stated that El Rushbo himself was being vetted for the VP slot.


THAT would be a sledgehammer blow. Limbaugh would eat the lunch of just about anyone in a debate...including Trump. Talk radio teaches that.

Blogger Teri July 14, 2016 7:31 PM  

I've read that the House reps liked and wanted Pence. I suspect that was why he made the initial cut. Still nothing official and announcement now being delayed because of the incident in Nice.

Blogger Teri July 14, 2016 7:31 PM  

I've read that the House reps liked and wanted Pence. I suspect that was why he made the initial cut. Still nothing official and announcement now being delayed because of the incident in Nice.

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 14, 2016 7:32 PM  

I just hope that Christie nor Newt are it.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 14, 2016 7:44 PM  

I wonder if the terrorist attack has brought Flynn back to the top of the heap?

Blogger Chris Mallory July 14, 2016 7:46 PM  

Unless the president is a puppet, like Bush the Lesser was for Dick Cheney, the only power a Vice President has is to break ties in the Senate.

I hope Trump keeps some of his own security people around so he doesn't have to depend on the SS.

Anonymous andon July 14, 2016 7:48 PM  

25. Blogger Robert Divinity July 14, 2016 7:05 PM
@17:

Pence was one of the main congressional proponents of "touchback amnesty," which is sort of what Trump has suggested. I'm for deportation, period.


im for promising there's "touchback amnesty" then once they all leave they find out there is none

Anonymous andon July 14, 2016 7:50 PM  

30. Blogger JaimeInTexas July 14, 2016 7:22 PM
So for it is just a runor.

OTOH, Rush Limbaugh's guest host stated that El Rushbo himself was being vetted for the VP slot.


Trump should pick Alex Jones, lol

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 14, 2016 7:51 PM  

This could work.

Blogger Doom July 14, 2016 7:57 PM  

I am sort of torn. He does have street cred for being a badboy. But... if you have the cred, but really didn't do anything, does it mean anything? Especially if you make it up into admin? On paper he looks good. And it wasn't Biden, or Carli, or... Hebbe.

Honestly, that might be as good of a pick as I might have hoped. Time will tell.

Anonymous Philalethes July 14, 2016 8:06 PM  

Drudge linked two Indiana sites that said Pence had suspended his reelection effort so he could be Trump's VP. If that is true, it should disqualify him immediately: he's upstaged his boss already. Either he's a fool, or he's a saboteur already on the job.

It's true Coulter is really upset about Pence as a possibility, and earlier today I saw several others unhappy. Otoh, apparently Paul Ryan just loves him – which should give pause. I figure the first qualification for Trump's VP should be that he's good life insurance for Trump – i.e. somebody the Establishment would choke on at least as much as they have on Trump. If the VP is somebody they can "work" with – or on – I wouldn't give Trump much chance of survival, much less success with anything he wants to do – given he'll be stubbornly opposed by Congress every inch of the way.

Coulter says, "I think Newt & Pence are head-fakes, so that when Trump announces his real VP is someone like Christie, there will be dancing in the streets." True, it'd be just like the Trump we know and love to let all this happen, then surprise everybody. If it's for real, I'd have to say the co-optation has started (or borne first fruit).

And now the suspense won't be over tomorrow... *Sigh*

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 14, 2016 8:10 PM  

Frankly, Trump needs to pick the scariest motherfucker on the planet for insurance purposes. The election is in hand well enough to be thinking ahead.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 14, 2016 8:12 PM  

It's not as if the Muslims, La Raza, and BLM will be slowing down their Trump campaign.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 14, 2016 8:19 PM  

Dammit, this problem was already solved here: Kratman for VP!

Best possible life insurance policy Trump could ever have.

Anonymous andon July 14, 2016 8:20 PM  

45. Blogger Aeoli Pera July 14, 2016 8:10 PM
Frankly, Trump needs to pick the scariest motherfucker on the planet for insurance purposes.


sounds like Joe Arpaio

Blogger Robert Divinity July 14, 2016 8:24 PM  

I wonder if the terrorist attack has brought Flynn back to the top of the heap?

I hope the hell so.

@40:

If the "back" part is a lie, that is a fine strategy.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 14, 2016 8:47 PM  

0bama, setting the standard in the repetition and variation in the utterance of the phrase "peace in our time". A studious leader of bad leadership.

Jeremiah 6:14-15 "They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the Lord.

Blogger SirHamster July 14, 2016 8:53 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Dammit, this problem was already solved here: Kratman for VP!

Best possible life insurance policy Trump could ever have.


Why settle for being a wannabe Rome? Crucifixions, crucifixions everywhere!

Downside (or upside) is that we'd end up Catholic.

Blogger Nick S July 14, 2016 9:04 PM  

David Packman hates him. Pence must be doing something right.

Anonymous Migrant from AmRen July 14, 2016 9:13 PM  

I wouldn't call FAIR "very conservative" -- if one wants to conserve (or restore) America's longtime ~90%+ White majority anyway. I used to be an activist for them and our talking points always involved how too much immigration hurt Blacks and legal Latino immigrants....

They do understand the laws on immigration though and are good at monitoring elected officials. So if Pence has a 100% rating he is solidly anti-amnesty and supports border security, e-verify, etc.

Anonymous johnc July 14, 2016 9:23 PM  

Trump has been going soft for well over a half-year now. Or, to be more accurate, he's just regressing to his mean.

None of the rumored candidates seemed good anyway.

Blogger Silly But True July 14, 2016 9:32 PM  

Pence at Hillsdale College, 2010: The Constitution and the Presidency
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=
Associated Imprimus editorial:
https://imprimisarchives.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/2010_10_Imprimis.pdf

Pence meets the press:
Feb. 2009: stimulus - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rpD86hxWORg
Aug. 2010: more economy - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgVtq3WROE
Sept. 2010: Pledge to America, pt. 1 - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Fccqi8hp4
pt. 2 - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Fccqi8hp4

Anonymous Andrew E. July 14, 2016 10:01 PM  

Trump has been going soft for well over a half-year now. Or, to be more accurate, he's just regressing to his mean.

Nah, Trump spent the first six months staking out his core positions on immigration, trade and Islamic terrorism with provocative rhetoric followed by policy outlines. He's spent the time since then until now harvesting the political benefits of being right on the most important issues as world events unfold before everyone's eyes just as he predicted they would.

Anonymous Frank Brady July 14, 2016 10:02 PM  

Pence is a backstabbing neo-con, a globalist who never met a "free trade" agreement (that is controlled trade) he didn't like--and he DID an absolute 180% on immigration. If Trump really does pick Pense, it's a sell out and a disaster.

Blogger Groot July 14, 2016 10:08 PM  

Totally OT, but hilarious: Thereas May's husband steals the show in sexy navy suit as he starts new life as First Man. House-husband of the year!

Blogger Robert Divinity July 14, 2016 10:08 PM  


Nah, Trump spent the first six months staking out his core positions on immigration, trade and Islamic terrorism with provocative rhetoric followed by policy outlines. He's spent the time since then until now harvesting the political benefits of being right on the most important issues as world events unfold before everyone's eyes just as he predicted they would.


Largely agreed. If Pence will toady sufficiently he's not a problem, although I would greatly prefer Lt. Gen. Flynn.

Blogger ray July 14, 2016 10:24 PM  

Brilliant pick. Hats off to the tactician behind this.

Six weeks on the bench already with a hammy, it's the perfect moment to snatch Pence off the DL for a little politicking. Ease him back into shape and onto the fall roster with some speeches, fundraisers etc. He ditches his Doofus Leftus pose and slides cooly into second, aboard the Trumptrain. The Series will be over by the time they take office!

It is very beautiful. Suddenly all is possible and the world might be beautiful again. sniff

Blogger Nick S July 14, 2016 10:45 PM  

I'm wondering if Trump floated the Pence pick rumor just to check the temperature.

Blogger Alexandros July 14, 2016 11:30 PM  

Everyone is saying this is a good pick, but What makes a good vp pick? I don't really understand the calculus.

Blogger Nick Siekierski July 14, 2016 11:36 PM  

Pence is not a good choice at all: http://www.vdare.com/articles/no-to-hapless-jackal-mike-pence-too-trump-has-better-vp-choices He adds nothing to Trump besides a possible bone being thrown to the GOP establishment.

Anonymous andon July 15, 2016 12:18 AM  

Trump already gets Indiana without Pence, right?

I think I rather see this Flynn guy - seems like a no nonsense type military man.

Anonymous andon July 15, 2016 12:21 AM  

btw Cernovich claims the Cleveland police have been issued a stand down order for the convention

Blogger Doom July 15, 2016 12:23 AM  

Alexandros,

It's not calculus. It's better, worse, this one or that one, through a list. It's not calcuable... if a bad pick will hurt and a good pick will help. Don't trust polls, not even sure about trends. Just a general vibe.

Ever played the game where something was different? If you have, think about that, but with the added question... is that better or worse than the others... added in. You can't beancount this, not up front. Some are gifted at it, others not so much. Though, you can only be sure in retrospect (if you believe ballots aren't compromised... I think they are, just not sure how badly... depends on the cycle).

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 15, 2016 12:39 AM  

This is good news. I thought Pence was John Kasich redux.

Blogger Ingot9455 July 15, 2016 12:48 AM  

Look at it the Scott Adams way.

Pence is the Presidential Pick.

Let's say you're emotional, like everyone, but you have some basic sanity - you're not a Democrat.

You've been told that Trump is a firebrand, that he's a bomb-thrower, that he's unstable, that he can't be trusted with his finger on a trigger, that he's going to do this, that, and the other.

If those things were true, he wouldn't have picked Pence. Pence is safe, sane, and stolid. He has all the governmental experience that everyone claims Trump doesn't have and needs on his team. He's worked in the House of Representatives, he's worked as a Governor.

With Pence on the team, you just can't make those complaints above any more. You know they're not true. They can't be true with him picking Pence. If you keep it up, you enter cognitive dissonance and you are doing it to yourself. In order to stop hurting yourself, you'll let go of those other opinions.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 15, 2016 12:55 AM  

@65 andon

btw Cernovich claims the Cleveland police have been issued a stand down order for the convention
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The question is, has BLM been issued a stand down against the cops ?

Blogger rho July 15, 2016 1:32 AM  

Ann Coulter may not like Trump's VP pick, but that won't stop Ann from voting for Trump.

Put it this way: nobody liked John McCain, but he was the candidate of the Republican brand. When he named Sarah Palin as VP, she piggybacked on the Republican brand, and found a devoted following. Regardless of the fact that nobody knew anything about her prior to her nomination, she became a profitable focus for fanatical Republican partisanship.

Hillary Clinton might want to consider the parallels between her and Sarah Palin. The only major political figure who has fewer executive credentials than Hillary is Obama, and he proved black man beats woman.

VD may not have an informed opinion on Governor Mike Pence, but I wouldn't expect him to. He's some kind of confused Mexican/Indian musician/intellectual living in north Italy who plays soccer and does online IQ tests.

Rest easy, VD. As a bonafide American who follows politics, I don't have an informed opinion on Governor Mike Pence either. I can Google all the articles and opinions as well as anybody else,but still, I don't know shit about Mike Pence. If I spaced out a bit while driving, I'd miss Indiana altogether and wind up in Chicago.

If you spend your time on Twitter, you already know your opinion on Mike Pence, or whoever Trump names as his VP. If you're in the media, you already know your opinion as well.

Trump has managed to remake the Republican brand his own.

Me, I still don't think Trump wants the job.

Blogger ray July 15, 2016 1:38 AM  

"I don't really understand the calculus."


Look, everyone agree Pence is an 'outta left field' pick. We'd have expected Trump to select some retread senator or governor, but nupe. Trump picks a BASEBALL player as his VP! A leftist no less. It is genius.

Granted, Pence is a .284 hitter over the past decade, with a solid .472 slugging percentage. Hitting .298 prior to this year's injury. So, the choice while atypical, has merit.

Let's all give Trump and his new choice, however unusual, a chance, and take it as a sign of reconciliations and good things to come. Baseball meets the Beltway. Love wins!

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 15, 2016 1:49 AM  

"Me, I still don't think "
That's you in a nutshell, rho.

Blogger Austin Ballast July 15, 2016 2:17 AM  

I wonder how many "Trump supporters" who gripe the loudest about Pence are really Trump supporters? Likely a fair number of Hillary fans just sowing discord.

I doubt Trump could have picked anyone most would like. Very few are solid on anything. Even Trump has his troubles, but we live in the real world, not the ideal one.

I still chuckle however at all who proclaim someone more balanced than Trump would do better, as if McCain and Romney were such great picks, as recent examples.

Even Glenn Reynolds seems to hold the "Trump is insane" view, unfortunately. (Trump may be, but everyone else in politics is or becomes that, so it is not surprising if Trump has some of the same pattern.)

Anonymous andon July 15, 2016 2:24 AM  

@ #73 - I wonder how many "Trump supporters" who gripe the loudest about Pence are really Trump supporters? Likely a fair number of Hillary fans just sowing discord.

most Trump supporters care most about one issue - the border

sounds like Pence may been weakening on this issue

Blogger residentMoron July 15, 2016 2:31 AM  

"UPDATE: Announcement postponed due to the latest Muslim mass murder in France."

I get that certain people would otherwise shriek and jibber if Trump goes ahead with his plans here. But aren't they the people he's supposed to not care about? Isn't that his biggest appeal - that he's not afraid to offend the delicate sensibilities of the point and shriekers?

Because the ongoing war against the people of France, by their invited invaders, tends to emphasise both the wisdom of Trump's pick, and his insensitivity to the badfeelz of the perpetually offended (who are also actively inviting their own invaders).

Anonymous JAG July 15, 2016 2:42 AM  

Pence is a cuck. Spineless asshole sold out religious freedom to his leftist globalist masters. And fuck that toucback amnesty shit. Deport and ban from ever returning. We have 330 million people. We don't need any more immigration especially from criminals who entered illegally. Does the whole world need to come here?

Not happy if this is the VP pick, but I'd vote for Satan himself over Hillary.

Blogger The Other Robot July 15, 2016 2:44 AM  

GotNews says Pence had a dinner during Ramadan for Muslims.

Blogger Parrothead Al July 15, 2016 6:15 AM  

Now that Trump has picked Pence, Hillary has only one choice for VP: Hillary / Cersei - "All Evil, All The Time"

Blogger dienw July 15, 2016 7:16 AM  

Commenters here keep lauding and lusting after Mike Flynn. He's an Obama general; he bent over and took it up the ass for Obama, how can he be trusted. Moreover, he is an intelligence asset as was H.W. Bush who backstabbed and thwarted Reagan:
Michael T. Flynn (born between November 29, 1958 and May 24, 1959)[2][3] is a retired United States Army lieutenant general[4][5] who served as the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, and chair of the Military Intelligence Board from July 24, 2012, to August 2, 2014.[6] Prior to this he served as assistant director of national intelligence. He consistently pushed for greater information and intelligence sharing and was a leading figure in coalition and special operations intelligence operations.

Didn't anybody learn anything from the Bushes?

Blogger dienw July 15, 2016 7:23 AM  

@65. andon

btw Cernovich claims the Cleveland police have been issued a stand down order for the convention.

@#Kasich is behind this. May God require this of him when all hell breaks loose.

Blogger rumpole5 July 15, 2016 8:31 AM  

My question is this: Can Pence spell "potato"?

Blogger James Dixon July 15, 2016 8:37 AM  

> Can Pence spell "potato"?

You do know that potatoe is a perfectly valid spelling of the word, don't you?

Anonymous Hrw-500 July 15, 2016 9:00 AM  

Is Trump might be trolling the RNC with Mike Pence from what this Youtube vlogger said?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaMMULE3LJ4

Anonymous johnc July 15, 2016 9:13 AM  

@79 Commenters here keep lauding and lusting after Mike Flynn. He's an Obama general; he bent over and took it up the ass for Obama, how can he be trusted.

Agreed. The guy is a complete loser. (And not very bright either.)

Anonymous Bagger Vance July 15, 2016 9:43 AM  

Sounds like Pence is the designated Biden, then. Top candidate is low on relevant experience? Combine with someone with proper resume, hopefully congruent opinions. Military experience would be cool but middle America may not be ready for such a big leap (businessman + general).

Another factor at play here is perhaps not losing support in congress (eg Sessions) so keeping allies there--although who knows what a future cabinet will hold, that usually gets a few senators from the winning side.

Anonymous Bagger Vance July 15, 2016 9:45 AM  

@81: Congratulations, it's the 25th anniversary of a Quayle joke!

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly July 15, 2016 10:12 AM  

We're back on the map boys! Time to relive that glorious Indiana political period from 1868 - 1916 where a Hoosier was a major part of every election on one ticket or another except two.

Yeah, yeah. I know. That was not a great time in American history. That list includes once notable Socialist. And a Hoosier was VP for Wilson. DON'T POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS.

Let us have our moment where people remember that Indiana is a state (and then please forget that and let us get back to living our quiet lives out of the spotlight, where we like it).

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly July 15, 2016 10:18 AM  

But in all honesty, the pick is not a horrible one. The general feeling through Indiana is that he has lost a lot of his bluster and mojo in the past few years. Yeah, he is an establishment boy, no arguing that point.

But I believe (and worry) that those around Trump might be buying into this whole "act presidential" hang-wringing that is floating around. Pence is a pick that will make for a good lapdog. It seems that when he is surrounded by those that have a vision and a drive that are setting the tone (the Hoosier Congress from 3 - 6 years ago), he goes along and comes out strong. As that support network falters, so does he (as we see from the whole NCAA BS).

Basically a decent fellow to have as VP. You give him the marching orders and he will follow them. As a proud Hoosier, I can look at it and swallow he is no alt-right figurehead.

Anonymous johnc July 15, 2016 11:37 AM  

Officially announced now on Trump's twitter.

Essentially, Trump will get in line or he will be assassinated within six months of being sworn in, then hand the reins over to an establishment lackey like Pence.

Anonymous RJ July 15, 2016 11:55 AM  

He may as well have picked Kasich. What a joke.

Trump hasn't been the same since that meeting with Kissinger.

Anonymous RJ July 15, 2016 11:56 AM  

"Pence is a pick that will make for a good lapdog."

He is a lapdog. The only question is, for whom? It sure ain't Trump.

Blogger Avalanche July 15, 2016 12:06 PM  

@75 ""UPDATE: Announcement postponed due to the latest Muslim mass murder in France."
I get that certain people would otherwise shriek and jibber if Trump goes ahead with his plans here. "

I think Trump is doing the 'gentlemanly,' civil, civilized thing. (You know, what we White folks always used to do!)

When I moved to the South (Long Island born-and-raised; six years in Philly, 17+ years out in Washington state), I was ... baffled ... and a bit annoyed because, down here, they still stop traffic for a funeral procession. Down here, there is still that sense of community that recognizes the humanity-in-grief following a casket. Folks pull over and wait while the procession proceeds.

At first I was annoyed: "doggone it! I have places to go!" But I adjusted to the South and now I am unperturbed and perfectly willing to pull over and wait. Up North, there was that civility when I was a child (just as there were fireflies)! All poisoned, all dead. In the South, they both still exist.

Blogger Quadko July 15, 2016 1:10 PM  

It's difficult for a party to control the Presidency for more than 2 years. And as hopeful as a president ends their first term and usually gets reelected, their second term is usually much less successful.

Given that, I've wondered if a strategy of continually picking and engaging a vice president visibly in the success of a first term, then the president backing the vice president in the election fully for "the second term" might extend the party's control far beyond the two election cycle. It would take a man willing to give up presidential power and prestige after 4 years. It would take a different approach to handling the VP job, visibility, and PR. Continuing that might be a strategy for a party to hold the presidency longer, and Trump might be the man able to do that, if he'll support and include his VP from day one.

Though, given the miserable way the GOP has acted the last four years, I can't say I want the current party mandarins in control much more than the opposition. What's the point of giving them power if they're just going to be traitors worthy of hanging?

But it is still an interesting question of strategy and tactics, and one I don't think has been tried.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 15, 2016 2:12 PM  

Found a pretty good site that has a bunch of Pence positions :
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Indiana/Mike_Pence/Views/

haven't checked it all, but he looks good on
2nd Amendment
UN
FED

Blogger Eric Henderson July 15, 2016 2:26 PM  

First thought: He's been "Reaganed," or, perhaps, "Bushed" is the better term. IOW, when the Establishment figured out they couldn't beat him, they neutered Reagan with his VP, a pick that every one of his advisors said not to make. Now, by all accounts Pence is no Poppy Bush, but he doesn't make much of an insurance policy either. Trump better keep a sharp eye for a sudden drop in the number of agents on his detail for any given event . . .

Blogger VFM #7634 July 15, 2016 3:17 PM  

He may as well have picked Kasich. What a joke.

Pence isn't as bad as Kasich. Kasich is bad on immigration, trade, and foreign policy.

From what I've been able to determine, Pence's main weakness is that he doesn't know how to stand up to pressure. For example, with that run-in he had with the corporations on gay marriage. I'm not really convinced he's a committed globalist. His sociosexual rank is squarely Delta, which means that he simply goes along with what other Republicans tell him is a good idea, but can also be convinced otherwise by the actions of the base and Trump. (For example, his "endorsement" of Cruz that included a de facto endorsement of Trump.)

First thought: He's been "Reaganed," or, perhaps, "Bushed" is the better term. IOW, when the Establishment figured out they couldn't beat him, they neutered Reagan with his VP, a pick that every one of his advisors said not to make. Now, by all accounts Pence is no Poppy Bush, but he doesn't make much of an insurance policy either.

It's possible that Trump can train him and help him grow a spine. We can hope.

Anonymous johnc July 15, 2016 3:28 PM  

One thing to consider is how exactly does a "delta" end up becoming the chief executive of a state like Indiana? (Or similar with Jeb! and Florida.)

People like that are selected from above and pushed into place.

Blogger Silly But True July 15, 2016 4:23 PM  

@94 Were-puppy: "...bunch of Pence positions."

As long as we're throwing Quayle jokes about, recall Donna Rice unironically and in all seriousness said she initially got involved because she admired Gary Hart's positions.

Silly But True

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 16, 2016 2:13 AM  

#29 I don't care who Trump picks. I'm voting against Hillary

As I told the pastor on Sunday, if you have to choose between voting for the prostitute or the Pharisee, choose the prostitute.

According to scripture, there is hope for the former.

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