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Sunday, July 31, 2016

We'll make it up on volume

Steve Sailer observes that Muslims serving in the US military have been a net negative since 2000:
As far as I can tell, 14 Muslim-American U.S. soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American U.S. soldiers.

Okay, so we’re losing soldiers on each one. (Never mind 3,000 dead civilians in the U.S.)

But we’ll make up for it on volume!

But that’s not the point. The point is that global empire costs a lot of money, which lines a lot of pockets around the Beltway, so we need to keep the Invade / Invite perpetual motion money machine going.
The Khizr Khan story was pretty good rhetoric for the Democrats. But it was hampered by the fundamental weakness of rhetoric that is used to sell falsehoods rather than the truth. Of course, one can't effectively counter rhetoric with dialectic, although Trump could have been even colder than he was in pointing to the silence of Khan's headscarf-wearing mother.

The more effective rhetoric would have been to point out that Khan's death likely saved American lives, as he was killed before he experienced an attack of Sudden Jihad Syndrome and turned his guns on his fellow soldiers. The outrage would have been epic and would have served to underline the fact that even some who wear the uniform and are sworn to defend the US Constitution are not, and never will be, Americans.

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129 Comments:

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 11:36 AM  

I don't want illegal aliens from south of the border in the U.S. military either

Blogger Chris Mallory July 31, 2016 11:42 AM  

They are slowly trying to implement an American Foreign Legion. It got a big push from the pundits back in May of this year.

Blogger Wyndie July 31, 2016 11:42 AM  

@andon The elites will use them like the North used the Irish immigrants in the Civil war; to kill their fellow Anericans.

Blogger Gaiseric July 31, 2016 11:43 AM  

I don't want legal aliens from South of the border either. America does not need foederati.

Blogger The Other Robot July 31, 2016 11:48 AM  

And Trump responded appropriately.

And Trump continues to live in their heads rent free.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 31, 2016 11:49 AM  

It is a safe bet Mr. Khan is a net-negative for Clinton. The visual of him holding a constitution and trashing Trump, while his partially veiled wife stands at his side with her head bowed, overwhelms the weepy narrative of Luegenpresse. The next Islamic terrorist attack on American soil will amplify the revulsion caused by that creep tableaux.

Blogger Teri July 31, 2016 11:50 AM  

Can someone find out if there are more transgenders in the Service than Muslim-Americans? I suspect there are.

Blogger Shimshon July 31, 2016 11:51 AM  

I don't think Trump has that kind of guts. It would indeed have been EPIC. Vox, time to man up and run. After you make "$10 Billion" so everyone takes you seriously.

Anonymous trev006 July 31, 2016 11:52 AM  

The truly dumbassed will claim Vox is outrageously slandering Muslims. After all, if they defend America and condemn 9/11 surely they can't be bad!

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB529-Anwar-al-Awlaki-File/

Whoops.

Blogger Josh July 31, 2016 11:55 AM  

In a normal election, this would be bad for Trump. This is of course the furthest thing from a normal election.

Blogger The Other Robot July 31, 2016 11:56 AM  

Pro-immigrant protesters in the UK do stupid things.

Blogger allyn71 July 31, 2016 11:59 AM  

Trump just got another 36 hours of domination of the news cycle. It doesn't matter what it is for as long as all you hear is the name "Trump".

He has proven to be a master at free rent marketing with the media.

Blogger Orville July 31, 2016 12:01 PM  

The outrage would have been epic...

I can see it now, hospital ERs nationwide flooded with SJWs exhibiting signs of epic rage. There will need to be new ICD-10 codes for this.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 31, 2016 12:02 PM  

How long until video invariably emerges of Mr. Khan trashing America, the West, and other religions? I give it three day at most.


In a normal election, this would be bad for Trump. This is of course the furthest thing from a normal election.

I'm not certain this would be negative even in a normal election cycle. The footage of the Muslim Khan denouncing an American presidential candidate while his wife shows total subservience is toxic. The fact the communists don't even realize it is reassuring.



Blogger EscapeVelocity July 31, 2016 12:02 PM  

Angry Muslim with broken English waving a Constitution at Americans at Democrat Convention.

Alinsky's Rules for Radicals #4

"We will defeat America by using the weakness of it's liberal leaders." - Islamists

Blogger Orville July 31, 2016 12:03 PM  

We need to setup some Trump Comfort Centers for the outraged to handle the overflow.

Blogger Josh July 31, 2016 12:04 PM  

The footage of the Muslim Khan denouncing an American presidential candidate while his wife shows total subservience is toxic.

For a lot of Americans, losing your son in military service still goes a long way.

Blogger Orville July 31, 2016 12:05 PM  

The best totems for or against a thing are the ones most visible. Scarves and burkas do it for me.

Best Tools For Men

Blogger The Other Robot July 31, 2016 12:13 PM  

Ann Coulter takes heat for the right approach.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner July 31, 2016 12:13 PM  

Can someone find out if there are more transgenders in the Service than Muslim-Americans? I suspect there are.

Certainly less American soldiers have been directly killed by them. They don't call them the perfumed princes of the pentagon for nothing.

@11 Revenge: Activists unleash 1,000s of locusts, cockroaches on Byron burger branches for migrant sting

Perhaps they wanted the migrants to be associated with locusts & roaches?

I can see it now, hospital ERs nationwide flooded with SJWs exhibiting signs of epic rage. There will need to be new ICD-10 codes for this

There has not been enough padded rooms in ERs since the big Mental Hospitals got shut down.

Blogger The Other Robot July 31, 2016 12:14 PM  

@17: Like the ones who lost their sons at Ft Hood?

Blogger Robert Divinity July 31, 2016 12:16 PM  

For a lot of Americans, losing your son in military service still goes a long way.

That's not what they are seeing, though.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 31, 2016 12:26 PM  

Imagine an angry Muslim with broken English, waving a US Constitution in your face, forever.

That is Obama's and Hillary's vision for America. It is also Paul Ryan's and Neocon's vision for America.

Blogger Salt July 31, 2016 12:28 PM  

Some of Trump's best rhetoric will have to wait till he's ensconced in the Rhetovalric Office.

Blogger Escoffier July 31, 2016 12:28 PM  

The great thing Orville is those comfort centers could very easily double as deportation centers as well.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 31, 2016 12:34 PM  

BigGayKoranBurner wrote:Perhaps they wanted the migrants to be associated with locusts & roaches?
They better watch out, they'll get people to thinking that it's cheaper to deal with the "migrants" the way they deal with roaches than to deport them.

Anonymous BGKB July 31, 2016 12:35 PM  

That is Obama's and Hillary's vision for America. It is also Paul Ryan's and Neocon's vision for America.

I have it on good authority that Obama & HilLIARy's vision is a hairy brown foot in high heels on the face of white men forever.

OT: NY Times again forgetting that the poorest white trash from families that earn less than 20,000 a year have an average SAT of 978, while blacks from the most successful affirmative action families earning over $200,000 a year have an average SAT of 981.
http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/why-white-trash-americans-are-flocking-to-donald-trump/

Blogger lowell houser July 31, 2016 12:38 PM  

I'm okay with the idea of an American Foreign Legion. But then I believe that a Heinleinian Neo-Spartan society where the right to participate in government should be allowed only to those that had served at least ten years active duty(no reservists) with no marriages, no families, no choice in branch of service or job within that branch, and quite literally every single day if you just can't take it anymore you can go ring a bell, sign some paperwork, and be on your way home that evening, never to be allowed back. Leftists would never go through all of that, their r-selection doesn't allow them to delay gratification that long.

Blogger The Other Robot July 31, 2016 12:44 PM  

Meanwhile, Austria seems to be on the leading edge of things.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 31, 2016 12:44 PM  

The Human Rage Virus ala 28 Days Later.

Zombie films are coming true.

Anonymous #8601 July 31, 2016 12:45 PM  

Trump should go full shitlord on Khan's ass. The best response I've seen on Twitter is that Khan should not be using his dead son as a political prop.

Neither should he be brandishing the constitution in front of our faces when it clearly states that his son was no American.

Blogger EscapeVelocity July 31, 2016 12:47 PM  

The Human Rage Virus ala 28 Days Later.

Zombie films are coming true.

Blogger Orville July 31, 2016 12:49 PM  

@30 Great metaphorical movie for SJW rage for sure! In "28 Days Later" the SJWs get triggered quickly just like Trigglypuff.

Blogger The Other Robot July 31, 2016 12:51 PM  

Did Hillary lie about that wheelchair-bound little girl in her acceptance speech? Sorry, rhetorical question, I know.

Anonymous Toastrider July 31, 2016 12:51 PM  

Some interesting commentary on this over at Ace of Spades.

Khan's son was killed back in 2004. By a Muslim. He's basically letting himself be used as a tool by the DNC to pillory Trump, over policies which Trump had no input or control over. He's basically Cindy Sheehan 2.0, with even less logic when you think about it.

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 12:53 PM  

27. Anonymous BGKB July 31, 2016 12:35 PM

OT: NY Times again forgetting that the
http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/why-white-trash-americans-are-flocking-to-donald-trump/


why are newspapers still allowed to use terms like "white trash"?


Blogger world entertainment July 31, 2016 12:56 PM  

Khan's son was killed back in 2004. By a Muslim. He's basically letting himself be used as a tool by the DNC to pillory Trump, over policies which Trump had no input or control over. He's basically Cindy Sheehan 2.0, with even less logic when you think about it.

Blogger YIH July 31, 2016 1:03 PM  

When the car wreck on the side of the internet posted the YouTube of Khaaaan's speech I immediately noticed that he was staring above or away from the crowd and how stilted the delivery was.
Look at his eyes, he's struggling to read the off-camera prompters.
He didn't want to be there and was likely paid well enough to get him to do it.
The mother and the moslims in the crowd remind me of Jeb Bush's shining moment.
Trump: “Who wrote that? Did Hillary’s script writers write it?”
That's what I'd put my money on.
And of course, he took the opportunity to, as usual, virtue-signal:
It would have been so very easy to have compassionately deflected Khizr Khan’s criticism.
BGKB probably doesn't have such a limp wrist.
But that’s not how Donald Trump rolls.
They're called ''balls'' Rod, you're supposed to have a pair - but I don't believe it.
He sure is making it easy for people who fear or loathe Hillary Clinton to withhold their votes from him.
Sounds like someone talking himself into something.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 31, 2016 1:06 PM  

Trump chose Khan for a reason, he had plenty of other mopes to choose from out of the Freak Show and he fired back using the woman

No one can really hate another Democratic voter like another Democratic voter certainly not our womanish cucks

Blogger kurt9 July 31, 2016 1:07 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:They are slowly trying to implement an American Foreign Legion. It got a big push from the pundits back in May of this year.

They've been doing this for years. On a flight from Asia some years ago, I sat next to a Filipino guy who was in our military. He said that he would get U.S. citizenship once he completed his term of service (I think 4 years).

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 1:18 PM  

17. Blogger Josh July 31, 2016 12:04 PM
The footage of the Muslim Khan denouncing an American presidential candidate while his wife shows total subservience is toxic.

For a lot of Americans, losing your son in military service still goes a long way.


what goes a long way for me is killing 50 of the enemy, not getting yourself killed. these are the kind of people who think john mcCain's a hero and Patton's a mean guy.

Anonymous artaud July 31, 2016 1:20 PM  

The idea of a foreign army is to have troops who will gleefully fire on white citizens if/when they ever begin to resist white genocide.

Anonymous Andrew E. July 31, 2016 1:22 PM  

John Nolte, formerly of Breitbart, has been on a tear the last day or so on his Twitter about this Khan business. Really great stuff, check it out:

https://twitter.com/NolteNC

Blogger LurkingPuppy July 31, 2016 1:22 PM  

Now the spambot's in plagiarism mode. Too bad; Markov chains can actually have amusement value.

Chris Mallory wrote:They are slowly trying to implement an American Foreign Legion. It got a big push from the pundits back in May of this year.
An Army of Juan!

Blogger LurkingPuppy July 31, 2016 1:25 PM  

andon wrote:what goes a long way for me is killing 50 of the enemy, not getting yourself killed.
Donald Trump for President, because he's 99% less likely to send U.S. troops to go die in the world's litterbox.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 31, 2016 1:26 PM  

The idea of a foreign army is to have troops who will gleefully fire on white citizens if/when they ever begin to resist white genocide.

Yes. The globalists and communists never have forgiven or forgotten the Soviet troops who refused to fire on their fellow Russians.

Anonymous SciVo July 31, 2016 1:27 PM  

The Other Robot wrote:Meanwhile, Austria seems to be on the leading edge of things.

Oh good, now they have a chance to elect a president who will actually do his job and swear in a Freedom Party chancellor if they win parliament. (Van der Bellen had threatened not to.)

Blogger Doom July 31, 2016 1:28 PM  

Just hammered Ace on this. Simply, the son was a man and chose. But also, he died because of his faith, on both sides of it. He wouldn't have been there save for the faith he shares with those he was fighting.

That particular father has no rights to extra say, or privilege. Few do, unless their son was free and clear of any war-guilt, and then didn't earn probably politically correct decorations. Get them out. Let him brag about his son's "heroics" in some shithole he belongs.

Blogger Josh July 31, 2016 1:29 PM  

Look at his eyes, he's struggling to read the off-camera prompters.

He didn't read anything off the teleprompter

Blogger Chris Mallory July 31, 2016 1:33 PM  

@28 No thank you. Spending 10 years of your life living off the sweat of someone else's brow should not give you any special privileges. Better a Swiss style militia made up of all male citizens and forbidden from ever leaving the boundaries of the US.

We need to drastically reduce the current standing armies, especially the cops.

Anonymous Wonderwerks July 31, 2016 1:44 PM  

And in, like my grandpa said, you can want in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 1:51 PM  

43. Anonymous Andrew E. July 31, 2016 1:22 PM
John Nolte, formerly of Breitbart,


this is sad. he was one of the few producers of worthwhile original content on that site.

Blogger Mountain Man July 31, 2016 1:55 PM  

All Moslems believe the following:

"Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger ( Muhammad) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth ( Islam) among the people of the Scriptures ( Jews and Chrisitians), until they pay the Jizayah ( tax) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." _ Surah 9:20 The Noble Quaran

This belief system is utterly incompatible with the US Constitution and a republic form of government.

Until this last election, I was a trusting and fairly accepting type of guy. Fairly libertarian when it came to accommodating different ethnic groups and religions here in our home country.
No longer. The overt hatred that these intruders have shown to our country and its heritage is so blatant you would have to be blind not to see it.
The moslems need to go ; men, women and children. They need to go live in a country that is compatible with their political/religious belief system. If their removal causes great disruption and anguish - so be it. Our own native families future and safety is at stake. The USA should no longer be a place where they are allowed.

Blogger Nick S July 31, 2016 1:59 PM  

Trump should go full shitlord on Khan's ass.

It might make the whole Trump Train cheer, but it likely wouldn't advance Trump's cause of getting elected. Vox is a talented rhetorician, but his ability to get elected to stuff is a little sketchy.

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 2:01 PM  

@ #53 - be sure to pay the jizz-ya

Blogger praetorian July 31, 2016 2:02 PM  

The elites will use them like the North used the Irish immigrants in the Civil war; to kill their fellow Americans.

dammit

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 31, 2016 2:12 PM  

I noticed that the Khans are already saying the "right things". Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam (etc). You would almost think they had been coached or something.

The press is in full on Big Lie mode this Sunday morning. Doing various things to try and make her look good but since that is usually impossible, make him look. Like like for instance carting around the Democrats favorite new pet Muslims to say angry things about the bad, bad Trump man, who didn't burst into to tears when he heard about their son catching the Golden BB.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 31, 2016 2:19 PM  

Humayun Khan was blown up by a car bomb. He got a Purple Heart (standard) and a Bronze Star (WTF?).

Just for getting killed? I knew lots of guys that managed that and never got the Bronze Star.

Anonymous #8601 July 31, 2016 2:20 PM  

Pro-Trump hashtags never trend on Twitter, but #trumpsacrifices was at the top all day yesterday.

Twitter isn't even hiding their bias anymore.

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 2:34 PM  

58. Blogger Cataline Sergius July 31, 2016 2:19 PM
Humayun Khan was blown up by a car bomb. He got a Purple Heart (standard) and a Bronze Star (WTF?).

Just for getting killed? I knew lots of guys that managed that and never got the Bronze Star.


yeah, but they were prob just run of the mill Americans

just wait till the first tranny gets blown up

Anonymous BGKB July 31, 2016 2:37 PM  

be sure to pay the jizz-ya That's the tax all non moslems have to pay for being not moslem. Moslems consider welfare/dole/section8/ebt to be jizya so they never appreciate what white taxpayers provide them. Both leftist & moslems give 3 choices convert, die, or pay high taxes.

For lack of volume Clinton/Cane Cancel events after only a few dozen showed in Pittsburg area.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/31/second-day-on-campaign-trail-and-clinton-kaine-cancel-cleveland-ohio-appearance/#more-119545

For those who think I harp on drug resistant TB brought in by turd worlders too much http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3716788/Policewoman-dies-contracting-fatal-contagious-disease-thug-spat-face-arrest.html

Blogger Michael Maier July 31, 2016 2:37 PM  

Shit... I am just surprised they didn't make up a Sgt. York-esque story for him.

Who was the "real life GI Jane"? Jessica Lynch? "Shooting back after getting injured!"?

Anonymous DJF July 31, 2016 3:05 PM  

So a Muslims son is killed in a war started by Bush and supported by Hillary and the Muslim verbally goes after Trump who did not want the war in the first place.

How many more sons will die due to Hillary support of "Invade the World, Invite the World"

Anonymous artaud July 31, 2016 3:21 PM  

"a Muslims son is killed in a war started by Bush and supported by Hillary and the Muslim verbally goes after Trump who did not want the war in the first place."

Didn't actually hear the speech (who could stand to?) but from what I heard my understanding was he wasn't going after Trump for the war, but because Muslim immigration. ("See, my son was a hero, Muslims can be loyal Americans too). Which from what I was told was why he was waving the Constitution around. BUt of course he was totally wrong: foreigners do not have an a priori constitutional right to immigrate to the United States.

But then he was speaking at a DNC convention, so you knew he was going to be wrong about SOMETHING, and probably everything.

Anonymous JAG July 31, 2016 3:23 PM  

DJF wrote:So a Muslims son is killed in a war started by Bush and supported by Hillary and the Muslim verbally goes after Trump who did not want the war in the first place.

Yep. This is the world we live in. Bizarro World would be more appealing, and less insulting to one's intelligence.

Blogger Harold July 31, 2016 3:38 PM  

@27 Article is from the NY Post not the NY Times. Understandable confusion as it is headlined like it was from the latter.

Blogger Josh July 31, 2016 4:00 PM  

So a Muslims son is killed in a war started by Bush and supported by Hillary and the Muslim verbally goes after Trump who did not want the war in the first place.

There's no evidence that Trump opposed the war before it started.

Anonymous johnc July 31, 2016 4:06 PM  

The more this Khan guy talks the more this sounds like another Clock Ahmed farce.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 31, 2016 4:17 PM  

...foreigners do not have an a priori constitutional right to immigrate to the United States.

You just haven't read the Zeroeth Amendment lately. Get with the times.

Muh Emma Lazurus!

Blogger kurt9 July 31, 2016 4:24 PM  

This is the best Steve Sailer posting in a while. It is absolutely great!

Anonymous DJF July 31, 2016 5:17 PM  

There's no evidence that Trump opposed the war before it started.

67 Josh "There is no evidence that he supported it, as opposed to Hillary."

And we know that he did publicly oppose it a few months after it started when the supporters were yelling "Mission Accomplished!!!!!!"

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 5:23 PM  

I chuckled:


Khizr Khan ‏@RealKhizrKhan · 50m50 minutes ago

Khizr Khan Retweeted Donald J. Trump

There hasn't been a radical Islamic terror attack in days, Mr. Trump.


Anonymous Andrew E. July 31, 2016 5:24 PM  

Trump's public statements about the war beginning after the Howard Stern interview on the 9/11 anniversary, and before the UN and Congressional debates, exhibited increasing skepticism over the next 6 months to finally settling into opposition by March/April 2003.

Blogger Sheila4g July 31, 2016 5:35 PM  

@70 kurt9: "This is the best Steve Sailer posting in a while. It is absolutely great!"

Sailer's columns have been gradually getting more witty and biting and cynical. Unfortunately, since moving to Unz's site, his commetariat is almost entirely Jews, neocons, cucks, and moderates. Former and current NY Times' readers. Credentialists.

I still read Sailer, but stopped commenting there (and stopped donating) shortly after he switched to Unz.

Blogger Josh July 31, 2016 5:43 PM  

Trump's public statements about the war beginning after the Howard Stern interview on the 9/11 anniversary, and before the UN and Congressional debates, exhibited increasing skepticism over the next 6 months to finally settling into opposition by March/April 2003.

He opposed the war in an August 2004 interview in Esquire.

Anonymous AP July 31, 2016 5:47 PM  

"And we know that he did publicly oppose it a few months after it started when the supporters were yelling "Mission Accomplished!!!!!!"

Let the Cruzlim continue to snipe. Just shows that the thick skulls of the Cruzlim cult can't be penetrated with reason.

Blogger Josh July 31, 2016 5:49 PM  

Let the Cruzlim continue to snipe. Just shows that the thick skulls of the Cruzlim cult can't be penetrated with reason.

I'm not a Cruz supporter, I've never been a Cruz supporter. Cite an example or retract your statement.

Blogger stevo July 31, 2016 6:40 PM  

Have I got this right? Rhetoric - talking shit, dialectic - backing up your shit with facts and logic

Anonymous BGKB July 31, 2016 6:42 PM  

He opposed the war in an August 2004 interview in Esquire.

Quoting the praise the gay magazine The Advocate gave TRUMP 15 years ago has no effect on its current readers.

Khizr Khan Retweeted Donald J. Trump There hasn't been a radical Islamic terror attack in days, Mr. Trump.

Can someone not banned on TWITTER let him know the clock has been reset http://pamelageller.com/2016/07/priest-stabbed-after-allowing-muslim-migrant-into-his-home.html/
[0000] days since Moslem attack

yeah, but they were prob just run of the mill Americans..just wait till the first tranny gets blown up

A gay in the Pentagon got a purple heart because one of the perfumed princes scraped his teeth when blown.

Blogger Mountain Man July 31, 2016 6:48 PM  

Can someone not banned on TWITTER let him know the clock has been reset http://pamelageller.com/2016/07/priest-stabbed-after-allowing-muslim-migrant-into-his-home.html/
[0000] days since Moslem attack

Wow.. I'm surprised they shower

Anonymous Andrew E. July 31, 2016 6:52 PM  

He opposed the war in an August 2004 interview in Esquire.

Yes, and prior to that as well. Quoted as saying Jan/Feb 2003 that Bush should be focused on economy not Iraq. Quoted as saying late March 2003 that this [the invasion] will not end well.

Anonymous artaud July 31, 2016 7:07 PM  

"There hasn't been a radical Islamic terror attack in days"

Days. Now THERE's an achievement.

Guess we don't have to ban guns after all! Right?

Muslims have been quiet for DAYS!

Anonymous Andrew E. July 31, 2016 7:08 PM  

Very important and very good interview today on CNN with Stephen Cohen regarding Russia, Trump, NATO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCMyHJJrdDw

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 7:40 PM  

27. Anonymous BGKB July 31, 2016 12:3

http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/why-white-trash-americans-are-flocking-to-donald-trump/


btw, the actor James Woods saw this too:

James Woods ‏@RealJamesWoods · 9h9 hours ago

Lovely racist headline #cringe



Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 7:53 PM  

Shoebat says Kahn is mooslim brthrhd and an immigration atty

Kahn currently runs a law firm in New York City called KM Kahn Law Office. According to the website, the the law firm specializes in “immigration services.” Most likely Kahn was working to bring Muslims into the country.

http://shoebat.com/2016/07/31/what-the-media-is-not-telling-you-about-the-muslim-who-attacked-donald-trump-he-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-agent-who-wants-to-advance-sharia-law-and-bring-muslims-into-the-united-states/

Blogger kudzu bob July 31, 2016 8:02 PM  

lowell houser wrote:I'm okay with the idea of an American Foreign Legion. But then I believe that a Heinleinian Neo-Spartan society where the right to participate in government should be allowed only to those that had served at least ten years active duty(no reservists) with no marriages, no families

Heinlein himself would have immediately rejected your absurd proposal as being dysgenic, since it is carefully crafted to ensure that the worst elements of society have a reproductive advantage over the rest.

Blogger digra July 31, 2016 8:04 PM  

When I read about this, my initial reaction was
"Trump, you son of a bitch!"

And then I saw it.. beautiful.

Point being, mothers (wherever they are from) are the ones who pull everyone's heartstrings when disaster happens. The fathers, by and large just look for someone to blame. The fact that Mrs Khan didn't do either, gave the Don an opening to good use.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 31, 2016 9:01 PM  

"As far as I can tell, 14 Muslim-American U.S. soldiers have died in this century versus 15 American soldiers murdered in a couple of terrorist attacks by Muslim-American U.S. soldiers."

That's a civilian's rhetorical calculation. The larger calc would involve how much damage we've been able to use our Moslems (very often also our translators, most important in COIN) to inflict on the enemy, or how many of our enemies they've been able to kill or assist the rest of us to kill.

I mention this, not because I'm enthused about Moslem troops, or - being minimally humanitarian - putting them under the kind of monstrous conflict of interest we put them under, as that I fucking detest mindless propaganda, which that passage was.

Blogger Tom Kratman July 31, 2016 9:07 PM  

"Heinlein himself would have immediately rejected your absurd proposal as being dysgenic, since it is carefully crafted to ensure that the worst elements of society have a reproductive advantage over the rest."

He's got the numbers wrong, with Heinlein it was a base two years, occasionally extended for the needs of society. _I_ had ten years, most of it reserve, not Heinlein.

However, I have very little doubt, however much he pandered and tried to weasel worm out of it in his later years, that Heinlein meant Starship Troopers when he wrote it.

Note, by the way, that there's no necessary reproductive disadvantage. One simply gives the veterans the rights of polygamy, with preference built in (by letting her retain her late husband's death pension for herself and her kids) for marrying the spouses of dead troops. Since there'd be no need to stop at that level, and vet's might have five or six wives, most continuously knocked up, it could be highly _eu_genic.

Blogger The Other Robot July 31, 2016 9:09 PM  

Some people see third-party candidates everywhere.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke July 31, 2016 9:29 PM  

@88 To add to your point, one could remember that we have had members of hostile combatant populations in our military for centuries. Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Germans, Italians, all the way back to Englishmen have served in active combat while the US warred with their nations, and have served honorably since. This being the case, arguing that Muslims are all a risk seems hysterical. Much the way arguing the deceased getting the wrong medal somehow discredits the sacrifice.

Blogger The Other Robot July 31, 2016 9:34 PM  

@91: But none of those people were Muslims and they all integrated pretty well, but Muslims keep wanting to impose their values, including Sharia.

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 9:40 PM  

lotta new shills coming in on twitter today apparently

Anonymous fred July 31, 2016 9:46 PM  

"This being the case, arguing that Muslims are all a risk seems hysterical."

Not at all. Scale matters. And motives matter.

Let's use the Japanese case as an example. The Go For Broke regiment (the Japanese-American regiment) served honorably and bravely. But our Japanese population at the time had immigrated here well before the development of the mad, racist, Imperial ultranationalist ideology, so for them, as the I Ching says: No Blame. Note also that we didn't admit millions of Japanese immigrants _while we were at war with Imperial Japan._ We admitted no swarms of German immigrants while fighting the Nazis. Note also that the Nisei Japanese resident here were largely model citizens who strove mightily to become true Americans. They didn't walk down the street in kimonos, swinging swords, and insist on their right to do so. They didn't form the Nipponese Brotherhood, and seek to infiltrate and undermine our government. Not in any numbers of note, anyway.

I knew some old gentlemen who had been in the internment camps. They sort of laughed it off: they saw it as their civic duty in time of war, to help contain a threat to their country, however mis-perceived and ill-understood. They saw themselves as doing their part. Not all felt this way I'm sure, but I met a few who did, to a man.

The situation and scale of the Muslim problem is entirely different. I won't rehearse all the familiar reasons.

Besides, as Trump keeps saying, What's in it for America? There are 315 million people already here. Why do we need or want more?

Is America a nation, or is it just a vast international cookie jar to be passed around for every Third Worlder to rummage around in?

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 9:50 PM  

the complainers never ask the question:

would you rather have been a Japanese-American living in the U.S. in 1942 or an American living in Japan?

Anonymous BGKB July 31, 2016 10:23 PM  

be no need to stop at that level, and vet's might have five or six wives, most continuously knocked up, it could be highly _eu_genic

It would depend on how thick Kratman's Beer Goggles are.

[0000] days since Moslem attack..Wow.. I'm surprised they shower

It may have been a ruse to get into the house. Or he may have wanted this kind of shower http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/martial-law-exercise-feds-are-going-door-to-door-in-florida-asking-for-urine-samples-amid-zika-outbreak_07302016

Anonymous Sheik Yerbouty July 31, 2016 10:47 PM  

@74:

Sheila, you're a dolt.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 31, 2016 11:32 PM  

"The outrage would have been epic and would have served to underline the fact that even some who wear the uniform and are sworn to defend the US Constitution are not, and never will be, Americans."

Regardless of the pandering to the base by white nationalist elitists, Muslim Americans who served in the military are citizens, are Americans, and died for their (and my) country.

Anonymous andon July 31, 2016 11:46 PM  

some regard their opinions as more valid than others

Blogger Tim_W_Burke July 31, 2016 11:56 PM  

@94 Longtime lurker and very rare commenter here.

While the Japanese did not walk about in samurai garb, Nazi rallys were held in Madison Square Garden and I recall there were some counties in the US where until recently German was the dominant language. There is still a Sangerbund down the street from me (across from a mosque, strange enough). There were also Little Italies in most cities, along with Chinatowns etc. So assimilation has always been a problem among immigrants, numbers of note or not.
(Its good that those gentlemen had no resentment against internment. Not all internees were or are so generous.)
The point of the father's speech was that Trump had wanted to eject all Muslims from the US. Do I have detail correct? If he's changed his position, then the heck with it.
To answer your question, no, H1B1 needs fixing and illegal immigration has to stop.

Anonymous artaud August 01, 2016 12:00 AM  

"Regardless of the pandering to the base by white nationalist elitists"

Ridiculous thing to say. We are speaking about very serious demographic issues here, the potential transformation or loss of our heritage and culture, and security issues which could plunge the nation into chaos.

Regardless of what your specific opinion of these issues is, the issues themselves are quite serious, and speaking about them in a presidential election is speaking about them, not pandering.

And I think you have your nomenclature screwed up, too. White nationalists are generally not elitists, and the elite certainly are not white nationalists.

Anonymous Henry Briggs August 01, 2016 12:01 AM  

"The outrage would have been epic and would have served to underline the fact that even some who wear the uniform and are sworn to defend the US Constitution are not, and never will be, Americans."

I don't think many people would have gotten here only because it's such an unlikely scenario. Add to that this soldiers clear bravery and sense of duty. It's no use trying to undo true heroism, particularly when it's so obvious.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 01, 2016 12:02 AM  

"Regardless of the pandering to the base by white nationalist elitists, Muslim Americans who served in the military are citizens, are Americans, and died for their (and my) country."

I don't, as long ere now covered at length, buy into the citizenship only by blood meme prevalent here. It seems to me unwise in the real and really dangerous world to toss away any ally. I also note that Rome, with expansive concepts of an expanding citizenry, conquered Greece, which had none of that, and not the other way around. I further note that citing to magic dirt (which, to the extent it exists, is, indeed, a silly notion) doesn't cover the gamut of possibilities, which can include _extensive_, one might say essentially fascist, efforts to propagandize kids into citizenship even if their parents may never be citizens in the fullest sense. Put a little differently, there's a difference between silly-as-shit and weak as near beer magic dirt theory and maximum exercise of sovereign power to form and inform values and capture emotions at an impressionable age.

However, Islam is different. While someone could be a bad Moslem and be a good citizen, it is probably impossible to be a good Moslem and a good citizen. The loyalties are too far apart, the conflict too great. Islam, as not merely a religion but a complete political and legal regime backed up with the seal of command of God, Almighty, where there are things, _many_ things, many _important_ things, that are simply not subject to democratic overturn or modification, cannot - What never? No, never! - be compatible with western democracy, where all things can be changed by human will (at least that's the theory) whatever God may have said about it.

Anonymous johnc August 01, 2016 12:26 AM  

There must be some kind of seriously interesting internal polling numbers being bandied around this weekend because cnn.com has been wall-to-wall off-the-wall anti-Trump headlines today. Every non-story is being pushed with a 96-point font headline.

Anonymous andon August 01, 2016 12:29 AM  

101. Anonymous artaud August 01, 2016 12:00 AM

"Regardless of the pandering to the base by white nationalist elitists"

Ridiculous thing to say. We are speaking about very serious demographic issues here, the potential transformation or loss of our heritage and culture, and security issues which could plunge the nation into chaos.


they don't care about any of that

Blogger Robert Divinity August 01, 2016 12:39 AM  

However, Islam is different. While someone could be a bad Moslem and be a good citizen, it is probably impossible to be a good Moslem and a good citizen.

Tom, this was the central issue and was scrupulously avoided in the aftermath 9/11--actually in the Seventies after Middle Eastern terrorism transitioned from often Christian-led Marxists to a purely Islamist affair.

First, start with the trope that most of the world's billion-plus Muslims are non-violent. That's true as it goes, but it beggars the larger question. Are they peaceful because they are good Muslims or because they are bad Muslims? Islamic jurists and scholars tend to claim the latter although their definition of "peaceful" is vastly different from how a Westerner would define it. So if non-violent Muslims decide to adhere more closely to the tenets of their faith, doesn't this mean they must turn to violence? Some naïve Westerners say Islam needs a reformation. What if ISIS is the reformation? Arguably it is classical Islam.

So if Muslims who truly follow their faith are at perpetual odds with Western thought and values, shouldn't they be denied entry to the United States and Europe? Further, shouldn't the West simply accept that the violent form of Islam will prevail in the struggles underway in the Middle East, South Asia, and other countries where Muslims are dominant or a substantial minority and just stay clear?

Bush II and the Obama sold America a bill of goods by proclaiming Islam a religion of peace, when classical Islam plainly is not. It's a conversation we need to have, to use a leftist cliché, and need to have quickly.

Anonymous artaud August 01, 2016 12:42 AM  

Col. Tom K quoting Gilbert and Sullivan. Will wonders never cease.

The gentleman is indeed full of surprises.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 01, 2016 1:23 AM  

"Tom, this was the central issue and was scrupulously avoided in the aftermath 9/11--actually in the Seventies after Middle Eastern terrorism transitioned from often Christian-led Marxists to a purely Islamist affair."

It's _an_issue, but I don't think it's the central one. The central one is the position of women, on their own feet, free and independent (although, let us hope, not in charge of anything outside the home, in the main; yes, there are exceptions), or on their knees or all fours, "to receive." We prattle about freedom and democracy and any number of other irrelevancies, but to the enemy, the issue is women and where it not for the position of women, few of them would be interested in the fight.

Anonymous Anonymous August 01, 2016 1:32 AM  

Muslims do not belong in America period.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 01, 2016 1:35 AM  

"Some naïve Westerners say Islam needs a reformation."

Maybe I should have answered that in the previous post, but it's enough of a different issue to justify its own. ISIS may be the reformation or it may be the counter-reformation, No matter, Islam cannot really be reformed. The book is too powerful, a fact lost on westerners who have never read it (twice; you have to read it twice or you will never understand). Whatever attempt at reform there may be - as a liberal westerner would define reform, which is to say, liberalization, will always fail against what is deemed to be the word of God.

That said, there are better (which is to say, more tolerable) versions and worse. The most conservative form of Islam, Ibadi, is apparently also the oldest. It is extremely puritanical, for themselves, but takes a very live and let live approach with everyone else and has an ingrained aspect of something like democracy to it. It does not, however, appear capable of doing more than surviving. I do not see it having the wherewithal to overwhelm the newer and more radical sects.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 01, 2016 2:56 AM  

"Humayun Khan was blown up by a car bomb. He got a Purple Heart (standard) and a Bronze Star (WTF?)."

This goes back a ways.

The Army, in WW II, had a serious morale problem and a serious human quality problem in the infantry. Too much was at stake, politically, of course, to fix the quality problem by, ya know, actually making infantry a high quality branch by assigning high quality kids with influential parents to it. (It is high quality, now, by the way, and has been for several decades; back then...not so much.) But it could, so Army thought, do something about morale and, by increasing prestige, possibly do something about the quality (it was horseshit). So they:

a) Made squad leaders staff sergeants; did you ever wonder why Marine squad leaders are bucks while Army uses staffs? That's why. Ditto for E-7 PSGs versus E-6 in the Corps.
b) Created the CIB, the Combat Infantry Badge, which still, despite the other combat badge, carries considerable prestige in and out of the Army.
And, c), created the Bronze Star, the original basis of issue for which is believed to have been one BS for one CIB. Yes, really. From Army, the Bronze Star spread. Without a V device, it's really just an MSM for service in a war zone, quite without reference to combat. If someone rated an MSM in a war zone, there is no authority to award it; you have to go Bronze Star.

So, no the Bronze Star didn't start out meaning much and doesn't necessarily mean much now. Most of the aura that attaches to it attached later and incompletely.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 01, 2016 4:02 AM  

Tim_W_Burke wrote:Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Germans, Italians... and have served honorably since. This being the case, arguing that Muslims are all a risk seems hysterical.

Thanks, I was just looking for an blatant example of cultural relativism that my six year old would easily understand. Can you say something about blank slates next?

Blogger Tom Kratman August 01, 2016 4:16 AM  

I don't know that his first sentence is cultural relativism since a) it's true and b) the people he's citing to were fairly much mainstream American culture, albeit with differing genetics.

His second sentence is false, however, and may well partake of cultural relativism. They are all a _risk_ because we simply cannot know what they're thinking. They are more of a _risk_ than, say, WASPs, because we've had so much treachery from so many. Not all of them will, long term, prove to have been enemies, but until shown otherwise, they remain risks.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 01, 2016 4:24 AM  

@112 I agree, I was criticising his implication that because some cultures share certain traits (a/b) ALL cultures can claim those traits - pure relativism.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 01, 2016 9:23 AM  

No matter, Islam cannot really be reformed.

It's pure fantasy among Western left-wingers.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 01, 2016 10:15 AM  

Not having real religion, themselves, they're simply incapable of understanding its power over the hearts and minds of men. "Morons, in other words."

Blogger The Other Robot August 01, 2016 10:21 AM  

Tom writes:

I don't, as long ere now covered at length, buy into the citizenship only by blood meme prevalent here. It seems to me unwise in the real and really dangerous world to toss away any ally.

But Tom, surely there is a difference between citizens and allies. That is, in the absence of a government/ruling class so horrible that the people revolt, we can expect the loyalty of citizens, but allies can and do change.

Further, allies are not all of the the same quality and are often culturally very different.

I find it stupid in the extreme to import people who, probably genetically, do not share our values.

Blogger The Other Robot August 01, 2016 10:27 AM  

Tom writes:

The book is too powerful, a fact lost on westerners who have never read it (twice; you have to read it twice or you will never understand).

What do you make of the claims that the Koran makes more sense as a mistranslation into Arabic of an Aramaic Christian Lectionary?

I think that many a ruling class has supported the incursion of new religions into their domains in order to curb the power of existing religions, and suspect that was the reason for the rise of Buddhism in China and probably the rise of Islam in Persia (contra the Zoroastrian power structure.)

Sometimes the people's blind support of religious authorities can be so frustrating (if you are a ruler.)

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 01, 2016 11:07 AM  

Shitlibs are double down against TRUMP they found 11 families willing to use their kids as props
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ours-sacrifice-never-know-gold-star-family-members-064707533--abc-news-topstories.html

"Regardless of the pandering to the base by white nationalist elitists"

Every white nation except Israel is getting flooded by the 3rd world at the behest of ((((elite)))), it is part of a plan released by WikiLeaks.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/05/14/in-honor-of-french-reader-understanding-the-rivkin-project/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/10/current-europe-the-rivkin-project-full-video/

they don't care about any of that

They care and profit very much of that. They care very much if the looting stops and parasites get jail, & the only people in history that have ever caught them before their scams have played out are plentiful

US Constitution are not, and never will be, Americans."..I don't think many people would have gotten here only because it's such an unlikely scenario

I knew a Mexican guy who got his citizenship by serving in the first gulf war.

although their definition of "peaceful" is vastly different from how a Westerner would define it.

"There has not been a terror attack in days Mr TRUMP" sent 2 days after terror attack from the DNC moslem.

Some naïve Westerners say Islam needs a reformation

If a group acted like Jesus the worst they would do be to flip tables over and chase crooked jewish merchants around with a whip. If a group acted like Moohammad they would break treaties in the middle of the night, & behead gays because they joked about Mohamad's peener being smaller than what he cut off little girls.

never read it (twice; you have to read it twice or you will never understand)

I guess I have to buy another one to burn

Created the CIB, the Combat Infantry Badge, which still, despite the other combat badge

I am not sure how Kratman feels about the CIB but I think it would be better to show the EIB, as anyone in the military in a "combat" area gets a combat patch on their shoulder. My armor unit I was a medic in turned down the CMFB because the EFMB was earned, but dental units far from risk accepted them. When a military jet crashed, a commo guy I told to hold the pilots head still got a Bronze Star for doing so.

Blogger JWM in SD August 01, 2016 11:34 AM  

"How long until video invariably emerges of Mr. Khan trashing America, the West, and other religions? I give it three day at most."

This might be the closest you get to that in short term:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/robert-spencer-in-frontpage-khizr-khan-servant-of-the-global-umma

Blogger The Other Robot August 01, 2016 11:36 AM  

When a military jet crashed, a commo guy I told to hold the pilots head still got a Bronze Star for doing so.

Well, if the head was not attached he might have experienced some stress.

Anonymous BGKB August 01, 2016 3:56 PM  

a commo guy I told to hold the pilots head still got a Bronze Star for doing so...Well, if the head was not attached he might have experienced some stress.

I told him to hold it still while I put a c collar on the pilot, who flew so low he hit power lines.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke August 01, 2016 5:26 PM  

@111 Shut up rabbit:
I'm not arguing for blank slates. Read closer. If there are blank slates, your six-year-old would be a divot.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke August 01, 2016 5:29 PM  

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Blogger Tim_W_Burke August 01, 2016 5:45 PM  

@111, @112, @113
I do not believe in cultural relativism either. I am arguing for due process for citizens based on individual responsibility.

Blogger GFR August 01, 2016 5:56 PM  

There are about 500 muslims in the British Army, but 1500 British muslims in ISIS.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 01, 2016 7:55 PM  

TOR:

An ally is anybody on your side, really. As previously mentioned, at exhaustive and something acrimonious length, here, I simply don't buy the extremely restrictive view of what it means to be an American. As near as I can tell, to the extent it means "some or all or most of your ancestry was here before and during the revolution"...well, that's the class that's led the way in selling out America to the left and even the foreign enemy. If that's what being American means, I want no part of it.

But I don't think it does. It's not subscribing to the proposition nation or magic dirt theory to think that one can become something by blood given as well as blood received. It's also not subscribing to intellectual fantasies, when we note how many enemies we have and how virulent they are, that we need young men in the ranks to fight them, and that the young men willing to do so are not notably pre-1776 WASPs.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 01, 2016 7:58 PM  

"What do you make of the claims that the Koran makes more sense as a mistranslation into Arabic of an Aramaic Christian Lectionary?"

I haven't read enough Christianity in the Koran to think so. At a fundamental level, it is - while not devoid of a serious and sincere moral component - simply unChristian. We, for example, have free will pretty much built in. It has free will pretty much ripped out.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 01, 2016 8:01 PM  

Wasn't slighting the medics, Steve, nor the CFMB. I was thinking more of the CCB, the relatively new thing for non-infantry, non-medical types.

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