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Wednesday, July 27, 2016

What he doesn't understand is magic

Jonah Goldberg is defeated and depressed, but he's still not willing to admit that he chose the wrong side:
Personally, I thought Trump’s stentorian address was awful, albeit with a few effective bits, particularly at the end. There was no poetry, no arc, no uplift or modulation. It was like he spent 75 out of 76 minutes shouting the final conclusions on one PowerPoint slide after another. Over time, the sentences seemed to be getting shorter and more blunt. It looked like he might even devolve into just barking random vowels and glottal stops. His delivery reminded me of that old SNL newsroom skit when Garrett Morris’s head pops up in an oval and he just re-shouts everything Chevy Chase says for the hard of hearing.

Thematically, it was an anvil chorus minus the melody. There was plenty of conservative boilerplate, some of which I agree with. But the message last night had nothing to do with conservative litmus tests or checklists. No, the desired takeaway was, “Behold this Man of Strength! Cast your gaze Trumpwards, plebes, for our new Caesar is here to bring a New Rome (or restore the old one) through force of will.”

Nowhere in his speech did Trump give any sense that he knew — or cared — how he would get things done through his “sheer force of will.” That’s the thing about magical thinking, you don’t need to explain it. The Ones We’ve Been Waiting For get it, and everyone else never will.
All Goldberg manages to demonstrate here is that he will see what he's determined to see. Trump's speech was too long, but it was otherwise extremely effective. Poetry, arc, uplift, and modulation are merely tools of the orator, the objective of a political speech is to give the voters a reason to vote for you. Trump's speech did that, and the polls have responded accordingly.

As has long been the case, Goldberg, the good conservative, is focused on HOW a politician does things rather than WHAT he is doing. These conservative tone police are happy to vote for collective suicide so long as the politician promising to kill everyone does so in well-modulated, gracefully-composed tones while dressed nicely. Goldberg's reference to "magical thinking" is pure cuckservative projection given that he is one of the many conservative fools who thinks 61 million post-1965 immigrants were transformed into Real Americans through the application of Magic Dirt, and believes a 19th century poem is the Zeroth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Goldberg's complete lack of business experience also shows glaringly here. The CEO doesn't tell you HOW something is going to be done. That's not his role. Steve Jobs didn't introduce the iPhone by explaining how it was going to be manufactured in China, who would be writing the operating system, and how much RAM it would take up. If he had, it would have failed. The CEO's job is to establish the vision and inspire others to embrace it. That Trump has done, extremely well, with his Make America Great Again, which is the best campaign vision since Reagain's Morning in America.

In fact, Goldberg even admits that he is babbling and denying the evidence of his own eyes and ears, as this passage shows: By the normal rules the speech should have been a disaster. But as we all know the normal rules do not apply. I am fairly certain Trump will get his post-convention bump. I am less confident Trump is a guaranteed loser come November. In other words, it was not awful, it was effective.

But the deeper theme of Goldberg's piece is his shock and despair that so many people are refusing to buy into the Noble Conservative Who Knows What is Good For You schtick anymore.
I hate everything about this year, politically and (not counting some great TV) culturally. It’s clear many of my friends on the pro-Trump right are giddy with resentment-justifying glee at the alleged comeuppance of Trump opponents. One need only listen to quite literally anything Laura Ingraham or Sean Hannity say about Trump critics to see how large a role spite plays in the now-unbreachable divide between the new nationalists and the old conservatives....

But the truth is conservatism has become shot-through with a kind of vindictiveness that reflects poorly on everyone, friend and foe alike. I hate that after 20 years of fighting what I believe to be the good fight, so many can’t muster the will or generosity to consider that I’m doing what I think is right.

I hate that after 20 years of fighting what I believe to be the good fight, so many can’t muster the will or generosity to consider that I’m doing what I think is right. I’m entirely open to the argument that my analysis and judgment is wrong. But I am resentful, furious and, most of all, contemptuous of the lazy and self-justifying assumption that my motives are malign.
That's just it, Jonah. You didn't fight the good fight. You fought the wrong fight. As a conservative opinion leader, you didn't manage to conserve one single damn thing, and even more damning, many of your opinions changed over time with the progressive tide. Now you're choosing to side with the globalists and the progressives because you were never on the side of Americans at all. You fought the wrong fight and now you've chosen the wrong side.

Through your open opposition to America's nationalists, you have revealed that your motives and your objectives are, at the very least, opposed to the interests of Americans and the United States of America.

We don't care that you think what you're doing is right. We care that you have declared yourself to be an enemy of those who are trying to make America great again. We care that you have openly declared yourself to be an enemy of the American identity.

Frankly, I'm very disappointed in Jonah. I genuinely thought he was smarter than this. I defended him many times from those who regarded him with suspicion on the basis of his (((heritage))) and who considered him nothing more than a typical neocon. Unfortunately, when the time came to choose between America and his imaginary proposition nation, he chose the latter.

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147 Comments:

Blogger Myles July 27, 2016 5:35 AM  

Credit where it's due: "Trumpwards" is a great word.

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 27, 2016 5:46 AM  

What we are seeing here is the end of the (((20th Century))). Trump represents a softer,more compassionate (((21st Century.

The Chewish/Kaifeng Project and Goa/Currybrew Schemes still need another few decades to mature.

This is just a spate between the (((factions))).

The question is....can it be effectively exploited?

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 27, 2016 5:50 AM  

*spat

*(((21st Century)))

On second thought...given the number of mischlings and cryptos taking over...perhaps Kek wills it. Hehe.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 27, 2016 5:55 AM  

Goldberg is a foreigner. Why would he have been expected to choose a nation that he isn't a part of and knows nothing about? Magic dirt? As usual, the nation must be redefined to conform to the foreigner's views and provide for his membership.

Blogger Eater of Rabbits July 27, 2016 5:59 AM  

Trump's speech was notable for reiterating the things he's said his entire campaign, without significant qualification. Almost any cuckservative worth his bow tie and suspenders would have been equivocating and triangulating based on poll data by now.

Goldberg is notable for joining the growing ranks of cucks who openly name nationalists as enemies. Good to see where they stood all along, even while they blathered about patriotism and supported useless foreign war after foreign war. There are plenty of people who will remember, when the time comes.

Blogger JohnG July 27, 2016 6:01 AM  

What I find more mind boggling is these Never-Trump'ers notion that we could weather a Hillary presidency with minimal damage. She's already promised to bypass Congress issuing diktats Obama style, and she has absolutely no regard for the law at all. Combining that with her chronic lying and megalomania and you have something very dangerous.

Blogger JACIII July 27, 2016 6:01 AM  

All you need to see is nevertrump's embrace of leftist rhetoric. Jonah wants benefit of the doubt for his extreme position, but extends none of the same to the quantifiably mainstream view of Trump supporters.

Jonah's Nevertrump out of principle out of principal, but Trumpers are resentful and spiteful but we should all "consider that I’m doing what I think is right."

It makes one wonder which side declared the other an enemy first: the Third Reich or German Jews.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker July 27, 2016 6:04 AM  

Trump's speech may have been crudely delivered, but it was almost pitch perfect for the very large number of Americans who feel awful about the current direction of the country. It really is that simple, as recent polls indicate.

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 27, 2016 6:09 AM  

It makes one wonder which side declared the other an enemy first: the Third Reich or German Jews.

If you don't want a Reich, don't create a Weimar. The ghost of Walther Rathenau says BOO!

Blogger Stilicho July 27, 2016 6:10 AM  

I exchanged a number of emails with Jonah over National Review's expulsion of Ann Coulter from the ranks of approved conservatives. He took a straight party line then while hinting there were things the Hoi polloi didn't know about the situation. "Coulter was rude, no matter her rigorous defense of conservative principles, you don't know the whole story, etc.". He was having his very own Sista Souljah moment. Made me suspect Coulter may have said something about (((Republicans))) in addition to the (((Bitches))) of East Brunswick comment that was the official reason for her exile. Since then, I've always presumed that he was a Republican first and a conservative second. And perhaps a (((Republican))) first. You'd think a decade of working in close proximity to a sweaty pig of a neosocialist like Podhoretz would turn him off that course. Instead, the emotional BO turns him on.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 6:11 AM  

Allow me to re-quote two section from above, for emphasis:

> It’s clear many of my friends on the pro-Trump right are giddy with resentment-justifying glee at the alleged comeuppance of Trump opponents. One need only listen to quite literally anything Laura Ingraham or Sean Hannity say about Trump critics to see how large a role spite plays in the now-unbreachable divide between the new nationalists and the old conservatives.

> But I am resentful, furious and, most of all, contemptuous of the lazy and self-justifying assumption that my motives are malign.

Which side is the spiteful one again, Jonah?


and it doesn't matter whether your motives are malign or not, only that your actions are. You were given the benefit of a doubt for decades (through Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, and Romney). Now, when it's finally clear that there's a viable alternative to choose, you choose the side of the opposition.

There's still time. You can always hold your nose and pull out your "most important election ever" column yet again. But if you don't, then we'll know for certain that you were lying the entire time.

Blogger Lazarus July 27, 2016 6:12 AM  

"alleged" comeuppance of Trump opponents.

Just to be clear, is that similar to the "alleged" Superbowl win of the Denver Broncos?

Blogger Gordon July 27, 2016 6:23 AM  

The nation is already defined, in practice. Trump is saying he wants to redefine it, in some ways back to the ways things used to be.

It's a very difficult thing to change one's frame of reference. Most of us in the US trace our families back to immigrants. I may have my Oklahoma Seminole family, but I also have my British Isles family.

Making that change can be wrenching and painful. Many, if not most, people will deal with the cognitive dissonance rather than the reassessment.

Blogger Markku July 27, 2016 6:29 AM  

TRUMPWARDS HO!

Blogger Whisker biscuit July 27, 2016 6:34 AM  

These cucks can't let go of the fact that, with all their smarts, they're wrong and we the little people, don't succumb to the musings of the ruling intellegensia on the right.

Anonymous old man in a villa July 27, 2016 6:43 AM  

There is only one question that these people should be asked-

Name one thing that has been conserved in the last 50 years.

That's your litmus test.

Blogger Escoffier July 27, 2016 6:45 AM  

Gordon wrote:The nation is already defined, in practice. Trump is saying he wants to redefine it, in some ways back to the ways things used to be.

It's a very difficult thing to change one's frame of reference. Most of us in the US trace our families back to immigrants. I may have my Oklahoma Seminole family, but I also have my British Isles family.

Making that change can be wrenching and painful. Many, if not most, people will deal with the cognitive dissonance rather than the reassessment.


With respect Gordon I think you have this exactly backwards. There are those who are trying desperately to redefine this nation through such expedients as open borders and birthright citizenship. Trump is simply trying to put a stop to such practices (we hope).

Anonymous trk July 27, 2016 6:48 AM  

Trump is the fruit of Jonahs labors.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 27, 2016 6:49 AM  

I clicked through to the article. The thing’s hollow—it goes on forever—and—oh my God!—it’s full of butthurt!

Anonymous 5343 July 27, 2016 7:10 AM  

Excellent smackdown, Vox -- no words minced. I hope Jonah reads it.

There is nothing wrong with being wrong. I've been wrong so many times I've lost count. What's wrong is doubling down when you're confronted with hard facts that demonstrate your current worldview is erroneous. Makes me think of a good book I read last year...

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 27, 2016 7:20 AM  

Ultimately, Gamma always calls to the Gammas. I listened to him on the Ace of Spades podcast.

Ace was and in his heart still is, Anti-Trump but his view is that it's time for #nevertrump to go "radio silent." And while he won't enjoy doing it, he'll vote for Trump.

Jonah on the other hand...whined. He whined the whole time.

Anonymous VFM#0265 July 27, 2016 7:30 AM  

JACIII said: It makes one wonder which side declared the other an enemy first: the Third Reich or German Jews.
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That's an easy one: International Jewry declared war on Germany in 1933 - FACT.

Blogger Rick July 27, 2016 7:31 AM  

I heard somewhere recently that "historians predict the past." Jonah is kind of in that line of work. Yet he STILL can't predict Trump. With the success of Trump in this cycle being so obvious, (even at its beginning), Jonah's opinions have zero value to me now.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob July 27, 2016 7:36 AM  

His delivery reminded me of that old SNL newsroom skit

Jonah, you ignorant cunt.

Blogger Rick July 27, 2016 7:37 AM  

Also, Trump offends Jonah's sense of relevance.
Trump was not peer reviewed by the High Priests.
Ace is very gently and slowly covering his own tracks. I've noticed. Ace probably knows we know he's doing it.

Blogger Shimshon July 27, 2016 7:42 AM  

Vox, I shed a tear at the tragic end of a classic bromance. You've white-knighted for Jonah long enough.

Anonymous Steve July 27, 2016 7:43 AM  

Jonah's brand of snark is soooo 2005.

There was no poetry, no arc, no uplift or modulation.

Not like those famous lyricists George W. Bush and John McCain. Sad!

But this was the best bit:

I’m exhausted. I’m exhausted in every way I can muster from my adjectival toolkit: literally, figuratively, ideologically, biologically, emotionally, ontologically, epistemically, calorically, and, perhaps most of all, visibly.

Trump isn't even president yet and he's already bullyciding cucks and shitlibs into an early grave.

Jonah's about to collapse. Erick Erickson nearly ate himself into a coma. Jon Stewart looks like a hepatitis-ravaged hobo. Hillary's one head spasm away from showering her audience with pea soup. Jeb is a mess.

Donald Trump himself is 70 years old and looks like he could run a marathon without breaking sweat.

He'll probably outlive them all.

Blogger Johnny July 27, 2016 7:49 AM  

This is something newspeople do a lot. They comment on the quality of the delivery. They have the excuse that delivery is their profession. For Goldberg that is not such a good excuse.

And did ya notice how frequently his comments are insults or name calling? Most all of it. Everything is an ad hominem.

Anonymous Mister M July 27, 2016 7:52 AM  

Jonah says: "Nowhere in his speech did Trump give any sense that he knew — or cared — how he would get things done through his “sheer force of will.”"

I love hearing conservatives talk about gov't needing to "get things done". I thought the whole point of conservatism was that gov't should do nothing, or next to nothing.

What does it need to 'do'? There are 70,000 pages a year of Federal Register - 3 columns of small print. A year. All anyone needs to do is abolish the FED, and nulllify every federal law after 1964. Then they can all go home and we can live like real people, not science experiments in a petri dish.

Anonymous JAG July 27, 2016 7:57 AM  

Steve wrote:Jonah's brand of snark is soooo 2005.

There was no poetry, no arc, no uplift or modulation.

Not like those famous lyricists George W. Bush and John McCain. Sad!

But this was the best bit:

I’m exhausted. I’m exhausted in every way I can muster from my adjectival toolkit: literally, figuratively, ideologically, biologically, emotionally, ontologically, epistemically, calorically, and, perhaps most of all, visibly.

Trump isn't even president yet and he's already bullyciding cucks and shitlibs into an early grave.

Jonah's about to collapse. Erick Erickson nearly ate himself into a coma. Jon Stewart looks like a hepatitis-ravaged hobo. Hillary's one head spasm away from showering her audience with pea soup. Jeb is a mess.

Donald Trump himself is 70 years old and looks like he could run a marathon without breaking sweat.

He'll probably outlive them all.


To the bold part, it is remarkable the seeming magical prowess of Trump to Jedi Mind Trick both the cucks and the shitlibs. The cucks are ready to self immolate like Ted Cruz. Trump has not even focused his attention on Clinton yet, but already set the meme that will dog her the entire campaign in "Crooked Hillary". Aleister Crowley would be jealous of Trump's powers.

Anonymous artaud July 27, 2016 8:02 AM  

Ah c'mon, stop. The guy's name is Jonah Goldberg. I knew everything about him that was necessary, just from that, before he ever opened his mouth.

Anonymous JAG July 27, 2016 8:02 AM  

Oh, and John Leibowits has a shit burger coming from me after the Trump slide. I remember how smug that piece of shit was on his show after Obama won his first term, laughingly telling us the "shit burger is supposed to taste bad". What comes around goes around. I've got the meme pic ready to send to him.

That show was so much better when Craig Kilborn hosted it. It was actually funny for all people, not just the shitlibs as it was tailored to when Johnny Favorite took over.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 27, 2016 8:04 AM  

Goldberg is notable for joining the growing ranks of cucks who openly name nationalists as enemies. Good to see where they stood all along, even while they blathered about patriotism and supported
useless foreign war after foreign war.


It is good to see True Conservatism, Inc.'s blatant anti-Americanism flushed to the surface. Kudos to Jonah for not trying to disguise his utter contempt for fellow citizens who love their country. All he wants to conserve is a nation's corpse to feed off until he can grow wings and fly to another host. Oh, and good luck with another Glorious War, Jonah. Americans are much more prepared to shoot some folks domestically than abroad.

Goldberg is upset at Trump's speech because it resonated greatly since it was true. He's made a total ass out of himself over Trump, and never extended a tenth of the goodwill to nationalists he obsequiously lavished onto left-wingers. Fuck him and fuck National Review, which has transitioned from fraud to satire. At least they now know Americans hate them as much as they hate the United States.

Blogger Erynne July 27, 2016 8:05 AM  

It's really a shame because Liberal Fascism was very good. I was already right-wing leaning and slowly becoming libertarian when I read that book and it opened my eyes to many things I had never been taught or considered. Now it makes me think about how many people have read that book and if it really changed their minds, opened their minds, or if it primarily fed the chorus?

I'm probably the only one who reads political books among my friends and family and I often wonder how different discourse would be if everyone I knew had read some of Trump's books and some books on the Clintons. Just like Thoreau lamented not having anyone to talk to about the Iliad, I feel the only place I can talk to people about political books is online, and even then it almost always in either an echo chamber or die-hard leftist site.

Anonymous The Ramones July 27, 2016 8:12 AM  

FIRST RULE IS: The laws of Germany!
SECOND RULE IS: Be nice to Mommy!
THIRD RULE IS: Don't talk to Commies!
FOURTH RULE IS: Eat kosher salamis!

If you can follow these simple instructions you'll be fine.

love and kisses, The Ramones

Blogger Shimshon July 27, 2016 8:13 AM  

@31 "Ah c'mon, stop. The guy's name is Jonah Goldberg. I knew everything about him that was necessary, just from that, before he ever opened his mouth."

You had me at Jewlo.

Blogger Shimshon July 27, 2016 8:13 AM  

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Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 27, 2016 8:21 AM  

Ace is very gently and slowly covering his own tracks. I've noticed. Ace probably knows we know he's doing it.

He still occasionally shows his antipathy towards Trump when Trump says or does something that offends his sense of propriety. And I don't mean he simply complains that he doesn't think that Trump should have said something, its more along the lines of, "Oh my God, Trump is such a shitlord! I feel like killing myself because Trump is the Republican nominee and makes me have the butthurtz!"

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 27, 2016 8:32 AM  

@31 But he writes for NRO and is a vociferous supporter if Israel. Wouldn't that have made you think he was a true blue American nationalist?

Blogger Joshua_D July 27, 2016 8:32 AM  

15. Whisker biscuit July 27, 2016 6:34 AM

These cucks can't let go of the fact that, with all their smarts, they're wrong and we the little people, don't succumb to the musings of the ruling intellegensia on the right.


Yep. Jonah thought his opinion mattered. Now he's realizing that he doesn't matter at all. That's a tough pill to swallow for a lot of folks.

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 8:36 AM  

Erynne wrote:It's really a shame because Liberal Fascism was very good. I was already right-wing leaning and slowly becoming libertarian when I read that book and it opened my eyes to many things I had never been taught or considered. Now it makes me think about how many people have read that book and if it really changed their minds, opened their minds, or if it primarily fed the chorus?
It resolved cognitive dissonance I had felt between what I had been taught and seen in every source and what was obvious; that is—why are communists and fascists nearly impossible to tell apart from each other in practice if they're ideological polar opposites? But reasoning that it was so far removed from relevance to my own life, I put very little effort into resolving the cognitive dissonance. And then Goldberg's book came along and it was one of those, "Oh, duh! If I had only looked at some of the basic primary sources, this would have been so obvious!" moments. And then, of course, it turns out that since that, I've found that it is perhaps much more relevant than I thought it was.

And this is where Goldberg slides into just pathetic, farcical irony. After convincingly making the case that the Wilson administration was the first fascist government known to modern history, predating the label even, he's completely unable to see that his definition of conservatism is nothing more than Wilson's foreign policy strapped big business cronyism via "free trade"? How can he have been that involved in the research for that book and not picked up on that?

Goldberg, like Klavan or Shapiro or even Beck and others have their uses. They've done some good work in attacking liberal ideology. But merely attacking liberals doesn't make them on the side of America. It just makes them useful for a brief time in that they can be convinced to fire at the same treasonous enemies that America has. When they're turn their guns on America for their own version of treason, then they're usefulness is at an end.

Anonymous Thales July 27, 2016 8:37 AM  

These conservative tone police are happy to vote for collective suicide so long as the politician promising to kill everyone does so in well-modulated, gracefully-composed tones while dressed nicely.

...and, preferably, with a nice crease in his pants.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 27, 2016 8:39 AM  

When someone says Trump's speech was too "dark" and should have been more poetic and uplifiting, he just proves he's too out-of-touch with what's going on in the country to have any business opining on it.

Blogger Rick July 27, 2016 8:41 AM  

Ron, concur.
But at least Ace knows Ace needs a job tomorrow.

With Jonah, and the others like him, how could he not see something so obvious? And that something has been going on for quite some time now.

Trump speaks the way he does, or rather, is fine the way he is, because he's not speaking to Jonah. He's trying to reach another audience. An audience he happens to know.
Why doesn't Jonah know this?
Scott Adams is better at Jonah's job.

Blogger Robert Divinity July 27, 2016 8:43 AM  

I hope to have "Conservative Communism" on the shelf before October.

Blogger Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque July 27, 2016 8:46 AM  

King Cuck, Beck, will be weeping with joy over this depressing state of affairs.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 27, 2016 8:51 AM  

What I'm seeing from the conservatives in my Twitter feed goes something like this: "Okay, I realize we have to stop Hillary, because she's never seen a baby she thought deserved to live, so I'm going to vote for Trump. Now here are 20 tweets about how horrible and stupid and ugly Trump is."

I expect a split among mainstream conservatives. The ones who really do care about traditional conservative principles -- what Derb calls "gut conservatism," not the globalist small-government pro-war liberalism that mainstream conservatives profess today -- will recognize that there's a place for them on the Trump Train. They'll vote for Trump, though they may apologize for it all the way. Those who care most about globalism and boosting the economy through any means necessary, and signed onto social issues like abortion and family as a secondary matter, will change parties, quoting Reagan in claiming that the GOP left them.

It'll be interesting to see which direction Jonah goes; he's one I can't confidently predict.

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 8:53 AM  

Shimshon wrote:You had me at Jewlo.
I thought this was an interesting opinion piece on Unz. http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-secret-of-identity-politics/

Especially coming from an ethnic Jew living in Israel.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 27, 2016 8:57 AM  

We have to be fair. Trump is NOT a terribly gifted speaker. If you're looking for Reaganesque prose, try Peggy Noonan, or John Wright (with a good editor). You won't find it in Donald Trump.

On the other hand, we've endured eight years of glib blather from Obama. Eight years of Bush the Younger's platitudes before that. And eight years of Clinton's lies before THAT.

Trump speaks the truth as he sees it. And that plainspoken honesty gives him the power to persuade. The American electorate thirsts for honest talk like a man lost in the desert for a week.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 27, 2016 8:58 AM  

I think the obvious can be stated now as it was in part on that Heat Street deal, Holocaust as religion is finished, the Tikkun Olam scam not far behind it.

Now the options left to jews in no particular order, go back to Bolshevism/racism and be the "Good Whites" that punish the "bad whites", roughly assimilate into White American culture, ghettoize themselves as the people who dwell alone and be hated by all, or off to Zion (which I happen to support).

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 27, 2016 8:58 AM  

"who thinks 61 million post-1965 immigrants were transformed into Real Americans through the application of Magic Dirt and believes a 19th century poem is the Zeroth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution."

I just love when Steve Sailer's meaningless memes are referenced. The American citizenry was granted by the Founding Fathers the right to determine citizenship for future generations. Based on this assessment, any and all immigrants from the past, INCLUDING white Europeans, are all citizenry frauds. Doesn't work that way. Never has, never will despite the pandering to white nationalists. Americans will decide who and what is an American.

Blogger dienw July 27, 2016 8:58 AM  

Jonah owes his career to a stained blue dress. He needs Clinton more than he needs Trump.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 27, 2016 9:00 AM  

Cail you could ask your twitterbros who exactly they are virtue signaling to.

Anonymous Be Not Afraid July 27, 2016 9:03 AM  

Considering Trump, I constantly remember Lincoln's quote about Grant: "I can't spare this man; he fights!" From the first, my impression of Trump is that he would be the anti-McCain (who gives tongue-baths of praise to Democrats). Even if Trump goes down in November, every sign is that at least he will go down fighting. Goldberg is appalled that anybody would be so base in his rhetoric and characterizations; to him, it's better to lose with class than to win by fighting in the dirt. I'm with Theoden: "If this is to be our end, I would have it be such an end as to be worthy of remembrance." And perhaps, just perhaps, we can last until the dawn.

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 27, 2016 9:04 AM  

JAG wrote:That show was so much better when Craig Kilborn hosted it. It was actually funny for all people, not just the shitlibs as it was tailored to when Johnny Favorite took over.

They kept the wrong thing. I thought the "Moment of Zen" was stupid, "Five Questions" should have stayed.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 9:07 AM  

> ...and even then it almost always in either an echo chamber or die-hard leftist site.

You say that like they're two different things.

> It'll be interesting to see which direction Jonah goes; he's one I can't confidently predict.

Tribe almost always trumps ideology. That's one of the things I've learned in the time I've spent here.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 27, 2016 9:09 AM  

Trump speaks the way he does, or rather, is fine the way he is, because he's not speaking to Jonah. He's trying to reach another audience. An audience he happens to know.

I think you nailed something here. As a NYC tycoon who rides around in limos, Trump is not supposed to know that audience. He's not supposed to be able to connect with normal people outside his apparent social circle. He's supposed to need people like Jonah and institutions like NRO to reach those people for him and provide a translation buffer between him and Americans.

What's caught them completely by surprise is that he's able to walk up to a group of construction workers or truckers and connect with them directly. So they're complaining about the same thing the liberal media used to complain about with Reagan: that he was able to talk directly to the people without their interference.

Blogger CM July 27, 2016 9:14 AM  

"consider that I’m doing what I think is right."

I may have started out a Trump supporter because it was amusing to me to watch a man say, in the most politically incorrect way possible, what Republican leaders have said was a losing position and WIN. It was wonderful watching the Republican leaders get their balls handed to them because they were so blind to what Americans wanted.

I will grant that I had no belief that what I was engaging in was "right".

But now that Trump has policies published and he's vocalizing more of them, Mr. Goldberg, consider that what I'm doing, I consider RIGHT.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 9:18 AM  

> The American citizenry was granted by the Founding Fathers the right to determine citizenship for future generations.

And we're choosing to redefine it, as they allowed.

> ... Based on this assessment, any and all immigrants from the past, INCLUDING white Europeans, are all citizenry frauds. Doesn't work that way. Never has, never will...

The white Europens gained their right the old fashioned way, by right of conquest. If you deny us any other avenues, we can always go back to that one. I don't think you'd like that very much.

> Americans will decide who and what is an American.

Which, if Trump wins, is what we'll be doing. So what's your problem again?

Anonymous fred July 27, 2016 9:21 AM  

"As a NYC tycoon who rides around in limos, Trump is not supposed to know that audience."

Actually, not really the case. Maybe you should get out and meet a few more NYC tycoons who ride around in limos. Not the Goldman ones, who you're right about. The other ones.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 27, 2016 9:27 AM  

Trump speaks the way he does, or rather, is fine the way he is, because he's not speaking to Jonah. He's trying to reach another audience. An audience he happens to know.
Why doesn't Jonah know this?


It reminds me of something that happened a few years back when really hot babes started showing up at comic book/anime/sf conventions wearing cosplay costumes. This offended some of the nerdier nerds because they felt the women were not sufficiently "respectful" towards the character because the women hadn't memorized volumes of information concerning the character and her place in the canon.

And of course the situation with the Hugos is also illustrative.

A small group of people don't want outsiders to invade the social space they dominate because within that space they get to set the norms for what is acceptable behavior and determine who is "in" and who is "out."

Thus you have Eric Erickson peeing himself because John Derbyshire made some perfectly reasonable comments concerning blacks and going ban happy on his own readers because some of them were saying that perhaps Derbyshire wasn't the raciest racist that ever endeavored to racist because he made them. And every other "reading out" of the "movement" by the self-proclaimed true conservatives.

Blogger Marie July 27, 2016 9:37 AM  

"But I am resentful, furious and, most of all, contemptuous..."

Whine and air out your feelings to your wife. No one else cares.


You think someone would point out to these folks that History is written by the victors. If the Alt-Right wins, these conservatives can kiss their false "respectability" and untrue claims of fighting the "good fight" good-bye. If the Alt-Right loses, everything any conservative claimed to care about will be gone. The left, who hate traitors as much as anyone, won't spare these liars in their history because they will no longer need these weak men.

But I suppose even preserving a bit of honor isn't enough to motivate these men to act.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer July 27, 2016 9:40 AM  

Meanwhile, we have Muslims invading a Church in Northern France and slitting the Priest's throat over the Sacraments during Mass. But let's agonize over the fact that Trump thinks that 30 years after the fall of the Soviet Union that perhaps we should rethink our security relationships with our allies and that NATO is not the ultimate historical endpoint. And hey, maybe letting lots of potential criminals and terrorists into the country with no vetting at all so we can depress wages so that a small percentage of the populace can exploit illegal immigrants for cheap labor while simultaneously patting themselves on the back for being morally superior to those rubes who aren't able to get jobs in "computers" or something.

Anonymous fred July 27, 2016 9:54 AM  

"by the self-proclaimed true conservatives."

Well I'm re-stating the obvious about a thing which is already well-known around here, but "conservatism" as some sort of a valid theoretical proposition has been a dead letter for a long time already. But words can take on a fossilized property; almost nobody can any longer explain with a straight face how "all men are created equal" is a Lockean proposition, not an ontological one. I was trying to explain a while ago to some smug condescending Brit (BIRM) that George W Bush was actually a leftist, when you look at the record, not a "conservative" (whatever the hell that is, I think from now on it just means "white"). I wished his exploding head, purple face and aneurysm were stronger, woulda been one less smug leftist in the world. But people get into the habit of looking at words instead of things. Y'know, the whole map/territory problem. Not enough people read Tao Te Ching. And not nearly enough people read I Ching, the Book of Changes, in a serious and not silly New Age manner.

The pathway which can be discussed in words is not the real pathway.

Anonymous Electryon July 27, 2016 10:04 AM  

"We are the new rebel alliance fighting against the narrative of a new empire. We aren’t as many as I would like, but we are far from few. We may not win, but one thing is for sure: It’s more fun to be the rebel."

Gnosticism strikes again!

Anonymous #8601 July 27, 2016 10:10 AM  

How can someone who wrote such an excellent book ("Liberal Fascism") be so wrong? Sad!

Anonymous BGKB July 27, 2016 10:10 AM  

19th century poem is the Zeroth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Written by a jew but placed on a gift from France.

it was not awful, it was effective One could say awful effective, saw his picture pretty ugly

years of fighting what I believe to be the good fight, so many can’t muster the will or generosity to consider that I’m doing what I think is right

I think he enjoys bending over and taking it, & doesn't want to pay more for home depot hookups.


OT: Texas succumbs to shitlib lawfare over anchorbabies. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-birth-certificates-20160725-snap-story.html
"Texas, facing a lawsuit, makes it easier for U.S.-born children of immigrants to get birth certificates"

Anonymous The Ramones July 27, 2016 10:10 AM  

"Gnosticism strikes again!"

Wins the internet for stupid.

FIRST RULE IS!: The laws of Germany!

love and kisses, The Ramones

Look out below!

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen July 27, 2016 10:15 AM  

Creature: Trump, Donald
Rank: Republican Nominee
MAGA: >9000
Special Abilities:
???
Aura of Loyalty: Reveals true allegiance and sociosexual orientation of all units within range. Effect scales with rank.

Blogger Sheila4g July 27, 2016 10:15 AM  

@48 Gaiseric: "I thought this was an interesting opinion piece on Unz. http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-secret-of-identity-politics/."

Thanks for the link. While the whole thing was quite interesting, I believe the on-the-money paragraph was this:

"Trump has no chance with the Jews, because he wants to change the order of things while the Jews are perfectly satisfied with the way things are. Perhaps you do not like that the US is flooded with immigrants, that so many Americans became poor, that students are indebted forever, that industries went abroad, that bankers are awash with money while the workers are impoverished. But for Jews, this is fine. This is exactly what they want, and this is what they have."

Also agree with the author's prediction: "It will not be the end of the world, nor the end of history, neither the end of the Jews. Only the Jewish dream to end history will end, at least for a while, while the world will go on."

Anonymous #8601 July 27, 2016 10:16 AM  

As per the Dark Lord, alt-righters believe in the following:

1) Nationalism
2) Western Civilization
3) Winning

Jonah is a globalist (strike one).

Western civilization is based on Christianity (((strike two))).

By his own admission, Jonah's been a loser for 20 years (strike three).

He's out!

Blogger slarrow July 27, 2016 10:21 AM  

Jonah, like many of the National Review writers and members of the Weak Right, does not know or appreciate the differences between dialectic, rhetoric, and oratory. They write and speak in dialectic, and they admire and pursue oratory, but they have absolutely no grasp of rhetoric. Trump is a master of rhetoric, and they cannot understand why in the slightest.

I really like Jonah. I read everything on the Corner back when it was new, and Liberal Fascism was a hugely important read. It's the book that both made him and broke him. To cut the guy some slack, as a conservative New York Jew, he basically grew up in enemy territory, then he sidled into the edges of fame because of his mom's connection with the Lewinsky scandal. So I think the big bugaboo of his life has been respectability. He was best when he was fun and irreverent and talking to his couch, but I kept getting hints that he wanted to be known as more than that.

Then came Liberal Fascism, and it was a solid book that did yeoman's work in emboldening the Right to turn a nasty rhetorical term back on the left. Jonah was happy. He had joined The Club. Unfortunately, that meant he forgot the source of his success, the mix of serious commentary with the sly wit of the court jester. (Milo has that crown now.) He also didn't understand the rhetorical impact of the cover and title; unless I misremember, he didn't choose those and thought they were in poor taste, yet those made the book actually effective in the public sphere.

Finally, his own book signaled the problem with the cuckservative in his chapter, "We Are All Fascists Now." Working from memory here, but I think he was saying that we were already corrupted by the assumptions of the progressive left in many ways and that he really didn't offer how to roll those back or even think it could be done. I'll have to re-read my copy to be sure, but that attitude would be a good demonstration of why he's been fighting the wrong fight for so long.

Blogger Jon Bromfield July 27, 2016 10:23 AM  

I keep hearing the neverTrumpsters braying there will always be another presidential election. Sure, there will be another election, but after 4 to 8 years of Clinton no conservative Republican will win it. Neither will a moderate Republican. Neither will a liberal Republican. Trump wins this one or the Republican party - and the republic - is done.

Blogger praetorian July 27, 2016 10:26 AM  

There was no poetry, no arc, no uplift or modulation.

Gently, softly
the cuckservative cucks

cuck cuck
cuck cuck

cuck cuck
cuck cuck

fin

Blogger Christopher July 27, 2016 10:27 AM  

If memory serves, one of the criticisms of JG' s book Liberal Fascism was that he omitted or underemphasized the consideration of fascism in lesser powers such as Spain & Portugal or lesser movements such as Mosley in Britain. I'm thinking of Paul Gottfried especially.

To focus on Italy & Germany made some sense as one was the first and the other was the most powerful.

But, again, memory here, but Gottfried's point was that fascism wasn't mainly or overwhelmingly liberal or revolutionary, but, given it's emphasis on past forms and nationalism --however fantastic, unattainable, or just plain wrong, essentially reactionary and counter-revolutionary. They wanted to go back to the past, not forward to a new Soviet man.

So why leave out the relatively non-expansionary, non-lunatic Franco and Salazar?

Was it because it would have been at cross purposes to JG's and his sponsors' globalist, open borders, unregulated markets, bailouts, no tariffs, proposition-nation, invade-invite agenda?

His anti-Trump stance tends, if anything, to confirm that suspicion. It's like, ok, JG has now shown his true colors and it turns out Gottfried and other critics were right. Or maybe he just had a blind spot like all of us.

Blogger Nick S July 27, 2016 10:29 AM  

Vox, since it is one of your areas of expertise, I would be interested to know more about what you think of Trump's economics team and their 5 Pillars.

Blogger Terry Saulsbury July 27, 2016 10:29 AM  

I agree with you 100% on Jonah. When he first came on the scene he appeared to "walk the walk, and talk the talk". When Trump came on the scene his TDS seems to have deranged him. I commented on it at NRO so often I have been backlisted from the site. Whoop-de-do.

Blogger Jon Bromfield July 27, 2016 10:31 AM  

I keep hearing the neverTrumpsters braying there will always be another presidential election. Sure, there will be another election, but after 4 to 8 years of Clinton no conservative Republican will win it. Neither will a moderate Republican. Neither will a liberal Republican. Trump wins this one or the Republican party - and the republic - is done.

Blogger Doom July 27, 2016 10:35 AM  

JACIII,

"It makes one wonder which side declared the other an enemy first: the Third Reich or German Jews." Oh ouch!

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As to the topic, I am well pleased with Jonah. I have considered him, and NR, an enemy for... since before he took the reins. It isn't even so much that they lost their way as they were never on the right path. Cronyism that, by their tenure, had become global... for the bigger payout. A gamble that has lost and will only pay in blood.

It's odd to see even rank and file turning on these types. The never-Trumps aren't the movement they thought. They aren't even a paper tiger. It's a group of, maybe, a thousand truly disgruntled globalists who had no other intention than supporting foreign interests. Let them hang as they wish. I am enjoying the show.

I didn't even have to get off my butt to deal with them. No one did. Done. And may Cruz be with them.

Blogger Chiva July 27, 2016 10:35 AM  

"There was no poetry, no arc, no uplift or modulation"
-- Jonah Goldberg

My dear, young man, don't take it too hard. Your work is ingenious. It's quality work. And there are simply too many notes, that's all. Cut a few and it will be perfect.
-- Emperor Joseph II in Amadeus.

Blogger Paul Moore July 27, 2016 10:37 AM  

In four years, assuming Hillary doesn't cheat her way to victory. Those of us who recognized Trump for the stealth Democrat that he is will be holding an intervention for those who thought he was going to change anything for the better. We will be kind.
P.S. When did anti-Semitism become cool again?

Anonymous 5343 July 27, 2016 10:38 AM  

Goldberg, like Klavan or Shapiro or even Beck and others have their uses. They've done some good work in attacking liberal ideology.

Too true. But finding out how much common ground there is between cuckservatism and progressivism (globalism, immigration, etc.) has cast people like Jonah in a wholly different light for me, and all I can see right now is the turds bobbing the in punchbowl (Thanks, Vox.)

It's depressing (I like many things about Klavan), but it explains so much about the failures of the last 50 years that was otherwise baffling: the right wing had its fifth column all along.

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 10:42 AM  

Sheila4g wrote:Thanks for the link. While the whole thing was quite interesting, I believe the on-the-money paragraph was this:
I agree, but I also really liked these parts as nail on the head:

"The Jews will give 90 per cent of their vote to Hillary Clinton, predicts Yoffie. This is to be expected: the brave Jewish anti-Zionist Jeff Blankfort wrote of the “actual owners of the Democratic Party, the American Jewish Establishment”. Yes, Jews vote for Democrats. They gave 80 per cent of their vote to Barack Obama. By comparison, the old masters of the US, WASPs, gave Obama just 34 per cent of their vote. If they were still at the helm, there would be no President Obama, no destruction of Syria and Libya, there would be fewer immigrants and the life of an average American would be better. Oh, perhaps there would not be an order allowing boys to pee in girls’ bathrooms if they feel girlish."

"Identity politics forbid us to generalise regarding the protected groups. You can’t say anything less than complimentary about Jews, for they are all so different. Well, 90% vote for the status quo is not a sign of variety. You can’t say anything at all about gender groups for they are what they are, like Lord Almighty. Indeed 'white', 'male' and 'Christian' are the only identities you may freely and gratuitously abuse in the US."

Neither statement is revolutionary, but seeing it in print, in a relatively respectable venue, published by an Israeli, of all things, is really encouraging.

Anonymous BGKB July 27, 2016 10:47 AM  

Name one thing that has been conserved in the last 50 years. That's your litmus test.

A couple of little girls bathrooms in North Carolina.

Jon Stewart looks like a hepatitis-ravaged hobo You can say homo here, the DNC finance chief did.

They kept the wrong thing. I thought the "Moment of Zen" was stupid, "Five Questions" should have stayed.

With 5 questions the answers might not be what (((they))) like.

offended some of the nerdier nerds because they felt the women were not sufficiently "respectful" towards

Its because they were prettier.

Anonymous BGKB July 27, 2016 10:52 AM  

From the Israeli jew "The best politicians are those who succeed in repulsing a concerted Jewish action without giving an inch AND without antagonising the Jews too much. FDR and JFK, even Richard Nixon did it, so can Donald Trump.

The Donald succeeded in doing just that in the affair of the six-pointed star. He was attacked; ADL chief Jonathan Greenblatt urged Trump to apologize. “He should just admit the offense and apologize,” Greenblatt said in an interview on “CNN Tonight”. “I think this would satisfy all of the public – on the right and the left, Democrats and Republicans.”

There is a funny comic about this of TRUMP berating someone for using a Microsoft paint star and telling him to put out a picture that will make merchandizers & consumers happy. So he goes to google images for "Happy merchant" http://redpanels.com/203/

Blogger Nick S July 27, 2016 10:55 AM  

I'm not so eager to start casting stones yet. It's still early and it can take some time to get ones head wrapped around a paradigm shift of this magnitude. It can take a while to sort through the implications. Give it a couple months.

Anonymous Takin' a Look July 27, 2016 10:56 AM  

@ Paul Moore

We know that's a possibility. Unlike the Bern-outs who got jewed. We aren't defective amygdala True Believers.

Anti-semitism is a disease, you catch it from Jews.

Blogger Doom July 27, 2016 10:59 AM  

Paul M.,

Not a single conservative seems to believe Trump is one of us. Nor did most of us think Romney or McCain were either. Not Jeb, not Kasich, not one of them. There will be no surprise when Trump is Trump. The trick is to hold his feet to the fire on enough.

Will it happen? Better to vote for someone who might than someone who openly intends to do just the opposite. Of course, even so, I probably won't vote. I think it's beyond politics at this point.

As to when anti-semitism came back into fashion? Why don't you ask your liberal co-conspirators. You bring that up against conservatives, at the drop of a hat. Then completely ignore Hillary's staffers frowning at having to deal with Holocaust memorials. Though, in truth, they have been badgered quite enough for having saved a people who seemed to vote in many ways for their own extermination, from Einstein on across the spectrum. Tired of saving people from their own choices. If the truth is anti-semitism, then Jews had better figure things out from their side. Not our job to carry their deceits, or the lies in there about it, anymore.

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 10:59 AM  

"It makes one wonder which side declared the other an enemy first: the Third Reich or German Jews."

Doesn't it?

And given that every single (((middle eastern))) political pundit wit dual American citizenship has openly declared war on American national aspirations, you're almost obliged to conclude they have form.

But that's the problem with losing wars; the victors always have better propaganda in the post-war period.

One of America's current problems is too many still believe the official propaganda to be history.

Blogger praetorian July 27, 2016 11:09 AM  

I thought this was an interesting opinion piece on Unz. http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-secret-of-identity-politics/

Holy cow.

The "identity politics for me but not for thee" is looking like it might finally break through the (((media embargo))).

Best current year ever.

Reminder: it is John Leibowitz, *not* Jon Stewart. Don't let him hide in your intellectual attic.

Anonymous NRO Turned Me Anti-Semite July 27, 2016 11:11 AM  

"Now you're choosing to side with the globalists and the progressives because you were never on the side of Americans at all. You fought the wrong fight and now you've chosen the wrong side."

It's almost like the (((Goldbergs))) of the world were never on the side of Americans...

Is that weird to notice?

Blogger pyrrhus July 27, 2016 11:18 AM  

Jonah's membership in the Israel First lobby has been abundantly clear for some time....I wonder if he is a dual citizen?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 27, 2016 11:19 AM  

@88 Doom
"Not a single conservative seems to believe Trump is one of us."

True. Trump is a JFK Democrat. On the other hand, John Kennedy would be considered center-right by modern standards.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 27, 2016 11:24 AM  

"Trump has no chance with the Jews"

And really, that's all some people need to know.

Blogger pyrrhus July 27, 2016 11:26 AM  

@81 "Antisemitism" became cool again when any criticism of Israel, the Jewish dominated major media and film studios, or any of the numerous marxist leaning Jewish organizations became "hate speech".....

Blogger Escoffier July 27, 2016 11:27 AM  

Paul Moore

But the Democrats were once actual conservatives so to say Trump is a stealth Democrat begs the question, scoop Jackson or al gore?

Blogger pyrrhus July 27, 2016 11:29 AM  

@93 "True. Trump is a JFK Democrat. On the other hand, John Kennedy would be considered center-right by modern standards."
Yes, Kennedy was the most conservative democrat since Grover Cleveland, and more conservative in most ways than Nixon.

Blogger Doom July 27, 2016 11:29 AM  

No doubt, Napoleon. And I still despise Kennedy... pick one. None of them fell far from the tree, rotten tree. Thankfully many of them are enjoying cigars with Arafat. Cigars? Sometimes a cigar isn't just a cigar. Kennedy, the dead president but not the band, of either name, was to the right of Bush the younger, to be certain. Which was galling. I came to some realizations in his second term. Anywhile... Yeah.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 27, 2016 11:30 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> Americans will decide who and what is an American.

Which, if Trump wins, is what we'll be doing. So what's your problem again?


His problem is that he's Rhetoric Man.

Blogger Akulkis July 27, 2016 11:31 AM  

@7

"It makes one wonder which side declared the other an enemy first: the Third Reich or German Jews."

According to newspaper headlines I've seen, Jewish organizations around the world declared War against Germany on March 23, 1933. Within a year, lethal attacks and group massacres Germanic civilians started throughout eastern Europe, especially in Poland.

The schools always teach Sept 1, 1939, in isolation, as if there was no reason for Germany to go to war against Poland, when in fact, it was to avenge the murders and massacres of their brothers, sisters, and cousins.

Blogger Akulkis July 27, 2016 11:32 AM  

https://archive.org/stream/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933_djvu.txt

Blogger Akulkis July 27, 2016 11:33 AM  

https://www.google.com/search?q=jews%20declare%20war%20against%20germany

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 11:42 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:Jonah's membership in the Israel First lobby has been abundantly clear for some time....I wonder if he is a dual citizen?
Does it matter? He doesn't need it to make aliyah.

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 11:43 AM  

Akulkis wrote:The schools always teach Sept 1, 1939, in isolation, as if there was no reason for Germany to go to war against Poland, when in fact, it was to avenge the murders and massacres of their brothers, sisters, and cousins.
Maybe. I think the recovery of the Danzig corridor and the rest of the Prussian territory taken from them by the Treaty of Versailles was the more compelling reason for most Germans; certainly to the government of Germany.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 27, 2016 11:49 AM  

Jonah was born the same year I was, 47 years ago. I wonder if the 27-year-old Jonah, who was fun and relatable for a young conservative to read because he sprinkled pop culture references into politics and didn't take the job too seriously, would see this election differently if he were alive now.

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 12:04 PM  

Anti-semitism doesn't exist so it can't be cool. The term is a stupid - yet admittedly highly effective until recently - euphemism for noticing publicly the bad behavior of jews. But nobody, least of all jews, will call you that for noticing publicly the bad behavior of palestinians, who are as much semites as are the jews.

I'll leave the reader to draw the obvious conclusion.

Blogger RobertT July 27, 2016 12:12 PM  

As we all knew, Goldberg is an idiot desperately clinging to the edge of a crumbling cliff.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 12:14 PM  

Frankly, I'm very disappointed in Jonah. I genuinely thought he was smarter than this. I defended him many times from those who regarded him with suspicion on the basis of his (((heritage))) and who considered him nothing more than a typical neocon. Unfortunately, when the time came to choose between America and his imaginary proposition nation, he chose the latter.
---

Same here. He among many others, when push come to shove, pick the wrong side.

I still love a couple of his books, but what can you do?

Blogger Teri July 27, 2016 12:18 PM  

I can't read Ace any more. Why would I read someone that despises me? He is supposed to be a political blogger. Why would I read someone that got it so wrong and almost had a breakdown over it. I had no idea that conservatives despised the base so much.

This reminds me of Bill Kristol with his nose in the air, complaining that Trump didn't use enough big words in his speech. We've been told year after year that the reading level of the public is going down. Why is it a surprise that we now have political speeches given in a less eloquent way?

I can't tell you how much I despise these folks. I hope they lose every bit of influence they ever had.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 12:22 PM  

Maybe part of it is that JG makes a living being a Conservative.

It's hard to realize that there is no such thing, and we are really in a war of nations vs globalists.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 12:25 PM  

@27 Steve

Donald Trump himself is 70 years old and looks like he could run a marathon without breaking sweat.
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I think Trump is killing them by going onward and Trumpwards, and they literally can't keep up.

Blogger J Van Stry July 27, 2016 12:30 PM  

It's funny to hear Jonah, who is anything BUT an 'old conservative' declaring himself to be one. He became a conservative when? 2001? the 90's? He sure wasn't one before then.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 12:32 PM  

@45 Robert Divinity
I hope to have "Conservative Communism" on the shelf before October.
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BOOM

Blogger Gaiseric July 27, 2016 12:33 PM  

residentMoron wrote:Anti-semitism doesn't exist so it can't be cool. The term is a stupid - yet admittedly highly effective until recently - euphemism for noticing publicly the bad behavior of jews. But nobody, least of all jews, will call you that for noticing publicly the bad behavior of palestinians, who are as much semites as are the jews.
Once upon a time, an anti-semite was someone who hated the Jews. For many years now, an anti-semite is someone the Jews hate.

Blogger Krul July 27, 2016 12:41 PM  

I feel like Magneto speaks for the Alt-Right.

"We are the future Charles, not [[them]]. They no longer matter."

[[]] = Cuckservatives

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 27, 2016 12:42 PM  

(((Paul Moore))) wrote:In four years, assuming Hillary doesn't cheat her way to victory. Those of us who recognized Trump for the stealth Democrat that he is will be holding an intervention for those who thought he was going to change anything for the better. We will be kind.
P.S. When did anti-Semitism become cool again?


"It can't be true! It can't be true! IT JUST CAN'T BE TWUE!!!!!"

P.S. When it became obvious that (((Some People))) want us dead.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 27, 2016 12:43 PM  

Paul Moore wrote:In four years, assuming Hillary doesn't cheat her way to victory. Those of us who recognized Trump for the stealth Democrat that he is ...

Trump is sane, and a Nationalist. I would vote for him regardless of party affiliation.

I am an American, not a Republican.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 27, 2016 12:54 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Trump is sane, and a Nationalist. I would vote for him regardless of party affiliation.

I am an American, not a Republican.

My parents were democrats. My grandfather ran one of Al Smith's state organizations. My brothers and sisters are, with one exception, Democrats. I like Democrats.
The Dem party, no. It's become the party of freaks and dictators.
But then, I don't care for the GOP either. It's become the party of accepting freaks and promoting anarchy.

Anonymous Sharrukin July 27, 2016 1:18 PM  

"Paul Moore

Those of us who recognized Trump for the stealth Democrat that he is will be holding an intervention for those who thought he was going to change anything for the better."

Trump is an attempt at avoiding a violent resolution. One last try at using the ballot box rather than the ammo box.

I think Trump will fail, but I certainly hope he doesn't.

There isn't going to be any shamefaced mass return to the Conservative plantation.

Blogger residentMoron July 27, 2016 1:24 PM  

@Gaiseric

That's a bloody good point.

Thanks!

Blogger Whisker biscuit July 27, 2016 1:37 PM  

Not to mention his wife is hot..

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 27, 2016 2:00 PM  

@118: Snidely, I too like Democrats - the blue collar kind, not the blue-haired, barking mad kind. I like Republicans - the blue collar kind, not the blue blooded, globalist kind.

The common threads there are that the ones I like are American Nationalists, while the ones I don't like are globalists. I really don't care about party affiliation.

Anonymous SciVo July 27, 2016 2:11 PM  

praetorian wrote:Reminder: it is John Leibowitz, *not* Jon Stewart. Don't let him hide in your intellectual attic.

Brilliant meme, I love it. Made me gigglesnort, which isn't the manliest of reactions, but a sure sign of effectiveness.

Anonymous SciVo July 27, 2016 2:22 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Trump is sane, and a Nationalist. I would vote for him regardless of party affiliation.

I am an American, not a Republican.


Ditto. I only re-registered as a Republican again in order to vote for Trump in the primary. If this party should happen to prove a suitable vehicle for Americanism, great; if not, we'll use a different one.

Blogger James Dixon July 27, 2016 2:32 PM  

> I only re-registered as a Republican again in order to vote for Trump in the primary.

Fortunately, I didn't need to do that. Trump was going to win our state in a landslide, so I kept by current affiliation.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 27, 2016 3:19 PM  

SciVo wrote:I only re-registered as a Republican again in order to vote for Trump in the primary.

I have always registered undeclared, and voted Independence Party as often as not. Undeclared lets me ask for any ballot in the primary. My state had a convention for the presidential primary, so it didn't matter.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 27, 2016 6:12 PM  

OT : Hey everyone, don't forget there is a reddit AMA at the_donald with Trump tonight

Anonymous Anonymous July 27, 2016 6:34 PM  

Yeah, If you elimnated Laura ingraham and Sean Hannity there would basically be no people on FOX supporting Trump.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 27, 2016 6:52 PM  

JACIII wrote:All you need to see is nevertrump's embrace of leftist rhetoric. Jonah wants benefit of the doubt for his extreme position, but extends none of the same to the quantifiably mainstream view of Trump supporters.

It makes one wonder which side declared the other an enemy first: the Third Reich or German Jews.


Read up on the German revolution of 1918, which was Bolshevism led by the parentheticals - only put down thanks to German military being pulled back from the Eastern front after Lenin and Trotsky ceded vast swaths of former Russian territory to Germany in return for a cessation of hostilities. Their fellow parentheticals were successful in taking over Hungary in the same period with the Bela Kun regime. Both the Bolsheviks under (((Trotsky))) and the Bela Kun regime instituted the prototype of political correctness and enforced it with mass executions of goyim - crying out in pain all the while (as they always do).

Another question never answered by all the official WW II historians is why the Bank-owned British Empire declared war only upon Hitler for violating Poland's borders - Stalin's forces invaded Poland from the East under terms of the Hitler-Stalin pact at about the same time. Why didn't the (((British))) Banksta regime declare war on the USSR as well? Perhaps it wasn't yet apparent to them that old Koba the dread had turned on their fellow parentheticals in the USSR - ultimately arranging for their boy Trotsky to be dispatched to his well-earned reward in hell - until a bit later.

Germans had plenty of reason to distrust the tribe. The tribe, who enjoyed much liberty under the German Empire, pretty much demonstrated their intentions in Munich of 1918 as well as in Russia and Hungary. Hitler's main error was in thinking he needed a vast empire and to enslave the other nations it contained when concentrating on restoring and building his own nation would have been the prudent thing to do. Before invading Poland, Germany was much closer to the bomb than the USSA was. France and the UK were both basket cases after the Great War - all the profits went to the usual suspects. Hitler really wasn't a nationalist at the end of the day, but wanted a return to 19th century imperialism (really a romanticized view of it). Imperialism was really just an earlier permutation of globalism, the elites and their toadies got rich while the average joes got shipped off to Shitholistan to end up in places like the British Military cemetery in Peshawar - forgotten.

Blogger VD July 27, 2016 7:54 PM  

Go away, Ray. You're banned and spammed.

Blogger rcocean July 27, 2016 8:39 PM  

Goldberg made it clear on BHTV, that he prefers a leftist to Pat Buchanan, and that his primary love is Libertarianism because its for Free trade (anti-nationalist) and Capitalist (anti-nationalist).

Blogger rcocean July 27, 2016 8:41 PM  

Goldberg's "conservatism" has always been a fraud. In the 90s, he would say crazy stuff like the USA needed to colonize Africa so it could "have a sense of purpose" or he'd discuss how Batman was a conservative.

Blogger rcocean July 27, 2016 8:44 PM  

One good thing about Trump is he's uncovered all the phony conservatives. When you'd rather elect Hillary than a Republican because he's against open borders and bad trade deals, you've tipped your hand and reveled your true nature.

Anonymous VFM 3061 “Chief Who Notice Things Make Chief Go 'Hmm'” July 27, 2016 8:54 PM  

Be grateful the mask has slipped off of Jonah's face...as it has for Obama...and countless others openly decrying Trump's unapologetic nationalism. Jonah and Barack Hussein were never in our tribe, and never will be.

Blogger Escoffier July 27, 2016 8:56 PM  

Teri wrote:I can't read Ace any more. Why would I read someone that despises me? He is supposed to be a political blogger. Why would I read someone that got it so wrong and almost had a breakdown over it. I had no idea that conservatives despised the base so much.

This reminds me of Bill Kristol with his nose in the air, complaining that Trump didn't use enough big words in his speech. We've been told year after year that the reading level of the public is going down. Why is it a surprise that we now have political speeches given in a less eloquent way?

I can't tell you how much I despise these folks. I hope they lose every bit of influence they ever had.


As a long time Ace reader myself I note that he on several occasions talked about carrying water for various candidates or positions he himself did not necessarily agree with. Which is a nice way of saying he lied. That will take a toll on anyone.

I don't hate the guy but he is definitely not a gut conservative.

Blogger LurkingPuppy July 27, 2016 9:22 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:His problem is that he's Rhetoric Man.
Wrong pronoun, you insensitive clod. They're obviously transnumber.

(Seriously, the polynominate #NeverTrump #ReadyForHillary troll always shows up as two or more names in every comment thread, never as a single name.)

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 27, 2016 10:13 PM  

rcocean wrote:One good thing about Trump is he's uncovered all the phony conservatives. When you'd rather elect Hillary than a Republican because he's against open borders and bad trade deals, you've tipped your hand and reveled your true nature.

I agree. This has proven to be the case for the past 9-10 months or more. Even if he doesn't win, Trump's candidacy is worth it simply for the value of the great un-masking which has come about. Goldberg, by the way, endorsed both the defenestration of Derb and penned a screed for the Neo-Kohannim Review's "We are Cuckservatives" issue. Even the title is kind of fraudulent, as the cucks are the hapless fools who've been eating their turd-tacos for the last several decades. For a cuck, there is still a chance they can be red-pilled. Not the case for the folks at NRO. If Cuckservativism falls, they'll have to either get a real job or move to the one country they're actually loyal to.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 27, 2016 10:22 PM  

James Dixon…

“And we're choosing to redefine it, as they allowed.”

Redefining does not mean it will be changed.


“The white Europens gained their right the old fashioned way, by right of conquest. If you deny us any other avenues, we can always go back to that one. I don't think you'd like that very much.”

That would mean white Europeans have low impulse control. Moreover, go back to that one. I would LOVE to see you in the flesh raising your guns at other white people who made their own racial decisions, rather than be browbeaten by elitists such as yourself.

“Which, if Trump wins, is what we'll be doing. So what's your problem again?”

With ILLEGAL, not LEGAL, immigrants and non-white American citizens.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra July 28, 2016 12:25 AM  

JB or Jonah is in a level of despair in that many have questioned his work and continued cuckism, no one has ever or is even interested in pointed out his OT or Non Gentile Faith. We are beyond that, word is bond, much?

He betrayed the right people and embraced the error, the wrong, meaning he broke a vow or oath so to loosely speak that his actions similar to Bill Kristol are just wrong.

Our honor or vows are taken heavily like a yoke for ones' credibility but also for future evidence to the fact, one is either trustworthy or not. No in between, its NOT all relative and I am not surprised at Jonah or the outlet he still prattles in.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 28, 2016 12:26 AM  

See, the thing is, Rhetoric Fool, When the shooting starts, it doesn't stop where you expect it to.

Blogger peter blandings July 28, 2016 5:20 AM  

jonah goldberg is, and always has been, a dumb cunt.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 6:04 AM  

> Redefining does not mean it will be changed.

Actually, by the definition of the words, yes it does. It doesn't mean we'll succeed. But then very little in life is certain.

> I would LOVE to see you in the flesh raising your guns at other white people who made their own racial decisions, rather than be browbeaten by elitists such as yourself.

Elitist, huh? The readers can decide that on for themselves.

But you only have to look back just a bit over 150 years to see what happened the last time we did so. Yes, I'm sure you'd "LOVE" to see a repeat of that.

> With ILLEGAL, not LEGAL, immigrants and non-white American citizens.

If we succeed, we'll be the ones defining who is and is not illegal, not you.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 28, 2016 10:40 AM  

"Actually, by the definition of the words, yes it does. It doesn't mean we'll succeed. But then very little in life is certain."

You have to overcome the "cucks" and the "banksters" and, of course, those dastardly "white traitors". Best wishes.


"Elitist, huh? The readers can decide that on for themselves."

That's called an echo chamber. The ideas about "race realism" and "white nationalism" are indeed based on elitist thought.

"But you only have to look back just a bit over 150 years to see what happened the last time we did so. Yes, I'm sure you'd "LOVE" to see a repeat of that."

The South lost to the North.

"If we succeed, we'll be the ones defining who is and is not illegal, not you."

Sorry, we are not retroactively redefining citizenship. It's a done deal.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 11:26 AM  

> Best wishes.

You shouldn't lie, RM. You and I both know you have no best wishes to give us.

> That's called an echo chamber.

Then why are you still here?

> The South lost to the North.

Yes, they did. And the total losses were something like 2% of the population; without nuclear weapons. Like I said, I'm sure you'd "LOVE" to see a repeat.

> Sorry, we are not retroactively redefining citizenship. It's a done deal.

Sorry, we are. It's just not a done deal yet. But it will be, one way or another. Whether we win or lose, the rules will be changed.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 28, 2016 6:50 PM  

"You shouldn't lie, RM. You and I both know you have no best wishes to give us."

I'm not lying. I sincerely grant you best wishes.

"Then why are you still here?"

For the snacks.

"Yes, they did. And the total losses were something like 2% of the population; without nuclear weapons. Like I said, I'm sure you'd "LOVE" to see a repeat."

Absolutely. Let there be armageddon. Let there be this race war. Let there be Sherman's March by the white nationalists.

"Sorry, we are. It's just not a done deal yet. But it will be, one way or another. Whether we win or lose, the rules will be changed."

No, the die has been cast. American citizens who are non-white will not be deported. Book it. If you want to believe in fairytales, be my guest.

Blogger James Dixon July 28, 2016 7:53 PM  

> Absolutely. Let there be armageddon. Let there be this race war. Let there be Sherman's March by the white nationalists.

Well, you idiocy or insanity is thus well demonstrated for all and sundry to see. I guess that counts for something.

I honestly expect that to be what comes. No one in their right mind wishes for it.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man July 29, 2016 9:23 AM  

"Well, you idiocy or insanity is thus well demonstrated for all and sundry to see. I guess that counts for something."

The only idiocy and insanity are those proclaiming a race war WILL result IF in part mass deportation of American citizens does not materialize and IF American whites refuse to heed the call of nationalism by elitists.

"No one in their right mind wishes for it."

Yes, some people DO wish for it, and they are in their right minds.

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