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Monday, August 22, 2016

America was never "a nation of immigrants"

Consider the words of one Founding Father, Alexander Hamilton, on the subject of the intrinsic dangers of immigration:
Resuming the subject of our last paper we proceed to trace still farther, the consequences that must result from a too unqualified admission of foreigners, to an equal participation in our civil, and political rights.

The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common National sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias, and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education and family.

The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived, or if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.

The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils, by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others. It has been often likely to compromit the interests of our own country in favor of another.
As it happens, the ruination of the United States is the result of the "contributions" of two groups of immigrants, Irish and Jewish.

For those who talk about how immigrants assimilate within a generation or two, it would be wise to note the generational status of the three men chiefly responsible for that ruination, Philip Hart, Emanuel Celler, and Edward Kennedy.

Philip Hart - Third-generation Irish immigrant
Emanuel Celler - Third-generation Jewish immigrant
Edward Kennedy - Fourth-generation Irish immigrant

It is clear that even to the fourth generation, immigrants are prone to maintaining their primary loyalty to their ethnic group, if not their nation of origin, rather than to the nation to which they have nominally grafted themselves. They are guided by the principle of "what is good for the Irish" or "what is good for the Jews" rather than "what is good for the Americans" or even "what is good for the USA".

No immigrant, or child, grandchild, or great-grandchild of immigrants, should have been permitted to vote or hold any office. Had the USA instituted such a policy, it might still be America instead of a multi-ethnic, white-minority idiocracy on the verge of crumbling into violent conflict and ethnic partition, as the ignorant public entertains itself by pretending to believe that Hamilton was either black or Hispanic.

There is no such thing as a HYPHEN-AMERICAN. What comes before the hyphen indicates identity. What comes after the hyphen indicates residence.

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Blogger joe b August 22, 2016 5:05 AM  

the liberty and success of the country would attract foreigners. how would a free white person of foreign origin become a citizen? fifth generation born here? how about the brown people who do love liberty (like my grandparents who did not teach my mother their own first language or culture)?

I would probably still be a citizen by virtue of the long American resident Welsh line of my father, but, i am curious about what might pass as naturalization in a country more like the intended United States.

Anonymous SciVo August 22, 2016 5:05 AM  

OT? I don't know how I missed this last week: Roosh Q&A: Globalism & World Politics

I'm just 7:35 in and he's nailing it. (Not like that! Minds out of the gutter!) Good stuff.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 5:13 AM  

the liberty and success of the country would attract foreigners. how would a free white person of foreign origin become a citizen?

Fifth-generation.

how about the brown people who do love liberty (like my grandparents who did not teach my mother their own first language or culture)?

Who cares what they love? Just because you love something doesn't mean you understand how it works. Lots of people love computers too, but they can't make them, fix, them, or even maintain them. America is a white nation. It does not remain America when adulterated with brown, red, black, and yellow.

Blogger Gapeseed August 22, 2016 5:14 AM  

I think you can distinguish the Irish from the Jews by the rates of assimilation via intermarriage with other ethnicities.

Anonymous Roginald August 22, 2016 5:16 AM  

74% of Democrats and 85% of Republicans voted for passage of the 1965 Hart-Celler Act. There were plenty of Anglo-Saxon Americans among those who supported the bill. If it was just the "ethnics", it never would have passed.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 5:16 AM  

I think you can distinguish the Irish from the Jews by the rates of assimilation via intermarriage with other ethnicities.

The Irish have been nearly as bad for America as the Jews have been. Both have been disastrous, and will quite possibly prove to have been fatal.

Blogger Sherwood family August 22, 2016 5:18 AM  

The louder and longer this drum gets beat the better. After all, we've got literally decades of "Zeroth Amendment" (Steve Sailer's term) nonsense to rebut and showing that the Founders were not only aware of mass immigration and its dangers but were averse to the idea as well is a service that cannot be performed frequently enough.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 5:19 AM  

74% of Democrats and 85% of Republicans voted for passage of the 1965 Hart-Celler Act. There were plenty of Anglo-Saxon Americans among those who supported the bill. If it was just the "ethnics", it never would have passed.

The ethnics pushed for it and demanded it. Without them, it never would have been proposed. They spent 40 freaking years fighting for it. They are entirely culpable. The Americans who fell for it are no more culpable than the victims of a scam; they are only to blame for being stupid.

Celler made his first important speech on the House floor during consideration of the Johnson Immigration Act of 1924. Three years earlier, Congress had imposed a quota that limited immigration for persons of any nationality to 3 percent of that nationality present in the United States in 1910, with an annual admission limit of 356,000 immigrants. This national origin system was structured to preserve the ethnic and religious identity of the United States by reducing immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe, thereby excluding many Jews, Catholics, Italians, and others. Celler was vehemently opposed to the Johnson act, which passed the isolationist Congress and was signed into law. Celler had found his cause and for the next four decades he vigorously spoke out in favor of eliminating the national origin quotas as a basis for immigration restriction.

Blogger Shimshon August 22, 2016 5:25 AM  

Just curious. What's your take on the Italians and Poles? Or Catholics in general?

Blogger Gapeseed August 22, 2016 5:27 AM  

The Irish have been nearly as bad for America as the Jews have been. Both have been disastrous, and will quite possibly prove to have been fatal.

You're a tough crowd, Vox, pinning a strict liability standard on the Irish for the Kennedy clan (and more generally, the fruits of Massachusetts state politics). I can't speak for the Jews, but the Irish have largely melted into the polity after accounting for income levels and a certain day in March.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 5:28 AM  

Catholics can be American. Italians and Poles aren't, but they tend to cause fewer political problems than other second-wave immigrants because they don't love big central government like the Jews and Scandinavians do.

Italians are very far from Anglo-Saxon, but they may actually distrust government more.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 5:31 AM  

You're a tough crowd, Vox, pinning a strict liability standard on the Irish for the Kennedy clan (and more generally, the fruits of Massachusetts state politics). I can't speak for the Jews, but the Irish have largely melted into the polity after accounting for income levels and a certain day in March.

No, they haven't. The Irish still vote for gun control and big government, same as they do in Ireland. They have never, ever, grasped the Anglo-Saxon concept of small government and their hot-headedness causes them to be terrified of gun rights.

Blogger Horn of the Mark August 22, 2016 5:32 AM  

A decent grasp of history really lets you feel Cassandra's frustration when you try to communicate this to the normies.

Look at a place like the Venetian republic--this weird medieval anomaly that punched way above its weight class economically and politically for a thousand years. The ONLY reason it worked was the unique civic character and culture of the Venetians, people stewing in those juices from the moment of conception.

Dump a bunch of contemporary French or German or English "migrants" into the mix with their feudal mindset, and it all stops working. Hell, same thing would happen with a bunch of Florentines, Pizans, etc.

Grasping a new civic culture as a migrant is like learning a second language; the brain doesn't boot it the same way as the native tongue. There are a million idiosyncrasies that you'll never learn. Plus, of course, you need a relatively high base intelligence to even try aping it.

Anonymous SciVo August 22, 2016 5:38 AM  

Gapeseed wrote:I think you can distinguish the Irish from the Jews by the rates of assimilation via intermarriage with other ethnicities.

Intermarriage with whom? Irish + Italian + Mexican = angry drunk with a Jesuit education, and no genetic or cultural heritage of financial probity or incorrupt judiciary. Yet maybe a cuckservative nom for the SCOTUS.

OT (cont.): Roosh agrees with me that the Visigrad Group is most likely to [attempt to] leave the EU. (But he names them individually instead of calling them that.) Politics is downstream of culture.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 5:38 AM  

A decent grasp of history really lets you feel Cassandra's frustration when you try to communicate this to the normies.

Especially because 99 percent of them react with some variant on: "but, but I'M Irish/Jewish/German/Polish/Swedish/Portuguese and my immigrant great-grandmother was a real American who LOVED America!"

So the fuck what. I love cheese chilitos. That doesn't make me a Taco Bell product.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 22, 2016 5:49 AM  

As someone who shouldn't vote under these rules, I say: Amen!

"Muh feelz" don't matter. "I'm a good person" doesn't matter. "I'm the snowflake" doesn't matter.

Liberty matters.

If America is a state of mind, go take the land from some 90 IQ natives and start your own.

Blogger Sherwood family August 22, 2016 5:54 AM  

It should be noted that the German wave of immigrants, though normally less conspicuous in histories, also contributed substantially to changing the underlying rule sets and expanding the acceptable role that the state should play in the United States. I say this as someone who is of at least partial German descent. If you want to see a hotbed of socialist tendencies, historically and currently, look at the German Upper Midwest in the mid-to late 19th Century and see that the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree in terms of current politics.

Anonymous My master August 22, 2016 6:04 AM  

perhaps a bargain - Africans return to Africa with lovely parting gifts.
or, bring all Africans here (however many are left) and we take Africa.

Or, return USA to noble red man, retake our own ancestral homelands.
reverse babelization, as intended by our Creator.

Blogger Joe Keenan August 22, 2016 6:16 AM  

Vox, The Anglo-Saxons favor small government? What? The British Empire small? The real source of radicalism in the USofA is.....Calvinism (you know, the religion of the Anglo -Saxons in New England) and the '48ers (German revolutionary immigrants). The American political stability you harken back to, did not exist. America was founded by people who hated each other and were at each others throats back in England. The Cavalier's that ruled the South were the losers of a series of civil wars that wracked the Empire. The Roundheads who settled New England were of the winning stock. They united in revolution because they both stood to gain. After the Revolution, they turned on each other (revolutions always end in civil wars). This had nothing to do with the Irish and Jews. Our current problems are the result of Empire, you should like that as the pursuit of Empire leads to ethnic identification.

Blogger Sherwood family August 22, 2016 6:19 AM  

The future is bloody because reversing the damage will not be done at the ballot box. It can't since people won't vote themselves out of the land they were born in. But in the end people will be driven out and many will die on both sides.

Blogger residentMoron August 22, 2016 6:21 AM  

"The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common National sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias, and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education and family."

This cannot be emphasised enough.

One of the tactics of mistake of the modern democracies has been an overweening focus on political structures; this one claimed to be better than that, the older claimed to be unfit for modern use, anything other than democratic structures alleged to be unable to support all the appurtenances of post-industrial technology.

But in fact there has never been a political structure able to withstand the corrupting influences of power. the United States of America, founded on the finest political structure ever devised, being the prime exhibit of this fundamental truth.

No, the law cannot restrain the powerful, for they write the laws, they appoint the guardians of the law, the judges and lawyers, they pay the enforcers of the law.

The only thing that ever can and ever has restrained the excesses of the powerful is the shared moral strictures of the majority. Only when a great proportion of the population rises up in outrage against the crimes of the powerful, will the powerful retreat from their criminal ways. Only the threat of the noose and the guillotine has ever kept them in check.

This is why modern immigration policy is deliberately designed to fracture the common mores of the nation, to introduce alien religions, alien cultures, and perverse ideologies in great mass. It is a classic divide and conquer strategy, deliberately pursued, evincing invariably the one object; to reduce the people under an absolute despotism.

As the great Frederick Douglass wrote:

"Power concedes nothing without a struggle. It never has and it never will."

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 22, 2016 6:25 AM  

If Americans are basically WASPs, who are the rest? Amerigrants, Norde Americanos.

It's the Federalis vs the Freedom Fighters in a four-way 4GW free-for-all. Brown on black, anglo v continental. Your uniform's your face and your neighborhood's the battleground. Short the tanning salons and go long whitening cream.

If you say "Kill Whitey" long enough, it starts to look like "Kill, Whitey". It's almost as if human races are landlocked zero-sum genocidal biological competitors or something.

Whatever. Christianity teaches we should put lions and lambs together, right? I read that somewhere. Maybe Gandhi said it.

Blogger Phillip George August 22, 2016 6:26 AM  

so just re-Empire without the globalists. Easy.

See Jeremiah 3.16 for a complete list of instructions.

ie. Make Jerusalem the capital of everywhere.

Retake Jerusalem, minus the globalists, or relegate them a small corner of Siberia, maybe Lapland: details details.

Re Empire. There, the world's problems solved in under a 100 words. With crowd funding I think I can bring it in in under two trillion dollars. Less than the pentagon lost is accounting errors.

Blogger Servant of the Chief August 22, 2016 6:27 AM  

If Irish are the cause of America's downfall, then it really has been inevitable since the start since the Irish have been apart of the colonies since day one. Protestant and Catholic alike. In the south they were apart of the huge celtic underclass with the scots and the North they founded Maryland before that state was lost to them after the Revolution and thoroughly Calvinised. Joe Keenan's more or less right about the breakdown of America otherwise, its issues are the result of Empire.

If American means English, you may want to clarify which English you're referring to.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume August 22, 2016 6:27 AM  

My mother is half English/half Welsh and here family has been here since the French and Indian war. I can visit memorial sites for the Revolutionary War where some of my ancestors died.

My father is half-French Canadian/half Irish. He's third generation on the Irish side.

And VD is correct. My dad still, though he is half Canuck, still, STILL believes the Kennedy family to be some kind of royalty that "Irish-Americans" should revere. And he also still worries about ethnicity. When I brought home a second generation Kraut to be my wife, it didn't matter that she was tall and athletic and blond and green-eyed. (A friggin' 8.5). What mattered was she wasn't Irish. He loves my brother-in-law, who is a drunk asshole and treats my sister like crap, because he's got the right kind of last name.

And this from a hypocrite who married a friggin' Brit!

VD gets it. The Irish, and I would know, still think about the Irish, not America.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume August 22, 2016 6:29 AM  

Also, neither here nor there, but I am always impressed by any of our Founding Fathers writing. Good stuff.

If you ever wanted proof of the collective loss of IQ here in the states, you couldn't get a better example.

Blogger Gapeseed August 22, 2016 6:31 AM  

I know something about Massachusetts state politics, and maybe I can shed some light on this dark heat.

When the Irish immigrants began arriving en masse to Boston, local blue blood Republicans openly indulged in discrimination against these newcomers (see "No Irish need apply" signs). The minority Dems, sensing an opportunity, recruited these immigrants with hot soup on the docks and advocacy for Irish rights. The Irish never forgot and voted in block, producing a bloc of idiosyncratic Democrats.

Fast forward to modern times. I worked on a local State senate campaign a few years back, and we knocked on doors for a Republican candidate in a heavily Irish district. We'd ask the Irish who answered the door a series of questions about their beliefs, and inevitably, they would agree with eighty percent of our position and disagree with eighty percent of the positions taken by the local political warlord.

Then their eyes would narrow and they would utter the inevitable question of "Which party is your candidate?" When we answered truthfully, they would grimace and spit out, "I have never voted Republican, my parents have never voted Republican, and my grandparents have never voted Republican." Then, more often than not, the door would be slammed and we would go about repeating this dispiriting exercise with the next house.

Now, as I mentioned, this would produce a lot of Democrats, who hold sway today. But until recently, these Dems were Pro-Life and Pro-Family Dems, reflecting the Catholic faith of their constituents. Unfortunately, the Faith has faded (and the Irish have intermarried) but the political attitudes have not (or at least, not to the same pace). The idiosyncrasies embarrassed the national Democratic party, but in those days, intraparty dissent was not squelched as it is today. The countervailing force of the Harvard faculty and other faculties in the area eventually subdued the conservative Irish instincts of the rank-and-file Irish Boston voter, and those charming relics of old country Catholic faith were shaved off, producing the drone ideologues the national party prefers.

Maybe this vignette supports Vox in a sense, as the tribal mentality produced a bloc of reliably Democratic voters and the core support for the poisonous Joseph Kennedy and his sons (although I think JFK was a much finer leader than his younger brother Edward). I never got the sense the Irish were anti-gun as anything other than a vague sense of loyalty to the Dem standard position. Should the Irish get blamed for Ted Kennedy? Maybe so, but Teddy rode in on the bloody coattails of his brother, who would easily be the most conservative candidate of the ones running today. Without JFK paving the way, there would be no Ted.

Blogger Phillip George August 22, 2016 6:36 AM  

It behooves us not to form new ghettos, but to run everything. [Rudyard Kipling, white man's burden]

Blogger Sherwood family August 22, 2016 6:47 AM  

Boston and the Kennedys are not the only example of the deleterious effect of the Irish on political culture: Tammany Hall and the Daley Dynasty in Chicago come immediately to mind.

Blogger residentMoron August 22, 2016 6:48 AM  

A new Congressional Budget Office study shows that Fed policies have deepened the depression for many. The Fed's "fighting inflation" has reduced the value of the US dollar by 97% since 1913, a fall in value unprecedented in US history prior to the existence of the Fed. A Pentagon study shows that their war on terror drone campaigns increase terrorist recruitment. Welfare policies increase dependence and crime, reducing literacy and loyal to the social order. Women in the workforce have reduced the income of men below the level where one man can support a family and buy a home on the wages of one job. For all of the history of the US prior to 1973 you could guarantee your children would be better off than you if you di three things and taught them to do the same; get a job and don't leave it unless you have another to go to, get married and stay married, and buy a house. Current economic, fiscal, and welfare policy makes these three things almost impossible.

So when they tell you that diversity is the strength of the nation, what are you going to do? Are you going to believe them? Will you cower in shame when they call you a racist? A sexist?

As long as we care what they call us, we've already lost. Like John Wright, I disagree with Vox Day on any number of questions, but who cares? On the things that determine the very existence of civilisation, he is right.

Only homogeneity of culture, of language, of custom, can sustain civilisation.

All else is treason.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 22, 2016 6:49 AM  

Since VD loves Taco Bell, he should inherit the same number of shares as the owner's children.

I love Google's search engine. When I inherit it, I plan to replace all search results with links to my personal blog. I'll also bring back that fantastic link directory homepage that Yahoo had. Maybe we can hook it up to an AOL modem. I just get misty-eyed whenever I hear that cheery dialup burble. True Googlers know this is what makes Google great.

Blogger Servant of the Chief August 22, 2016 6:49 AM  

To add to Gapeseed, there is a distinct tendency of Irish to 'vote the way your father's vote' and if anything is truly emblematic of the Irish across generations it is this clannishness. If one's father voted Republican or Democrat, the sons almost certainly will and their sons and so on until the stop being Irish or there is some other calamtous break with said party. This is true here in Ireland where people still vote for the usual political dynasties even if they disagree with them because that is how their family votes, this is why the two major parties, Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael here are more or less the same and have been the same as eachother since the civil war, even if they are not the same as their past incarnations. The Democrats got the Irish demographic locked down early and it will take something serious to shake that off, which is harder now that the Catholic faith has faded so much from that demographic in America and I doubt its likely to happen.

Anonymous omar's running shoes August 22, 2016 6:54 AM  

There's a reason he's being taken off the $10 and replaced with an ugly black woman.

Blogger Horn of the Mark August 22, 2016 6:56 AM  

Especially because 99 percent of them react with some variant on: "but, but I'M Irish/Jewish/German/Polish/Swedish/Portuguese and my immigrant great-grandmother was a real American who LOVED America!"

The "understanding" most people (especially immigrants) have to America is purely emotional, synonymous with "good." Who wouldn't love that? It's just a bucket to hold whatever's good for you or that you like: welfare check, bike paths, socialism, Mid East wars, whatever. It's all America now. Hence why America can have nothing to do with the founding of the United States and even condemn it w/o a single logical hiccup. The Subjective States of America.

Blogger yoghi.llama August 22, 2016 6:56 AM  

The Boer republics didn't allow uitlanders, English immigrants, to vote.

The Anglo-Saxons did not betray a deep understanding of limited government and the NAP when they invaded those republics for their gold.

Is it possible that it is really just the Dutch and Flemish tribes who have an ingrained understanding of individualism and liberty, and the Anglo-Saxon tribe has only managed to pull off a kind of second rate, ooga-booga mimicry of it for a few generations?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 22, 2016 7:02 AM  

The Irish are basically Jews anyway, except our comedians are funny.

Blogger Horn of the Mark August 22, 2016 7:03 AM  

Gapeseed: "When the Irish immigrants began arriving en masse to Boston, local blue blood Republicans openly indulged in discrimination against these newcomers (see "No Irish need apply" signs). The minority Dems, sensing an opportunity, recruited these immigrants with hot soup on the docks and advocacy for Irish rights. The Irish never forgot and voted in block, producing a bloc of idiosyncratic Democrats."

We have some family friends who fled to the U.S. from China when they were kids in the late 50s. The family also turned Catholic because, as they tell it, the Catholic missionaries were the ones handing out free rice.

Blogger Phillip George August 22, 2016 7:06 AM  

spend twenty seconds on this: the only way to fight globalism is with a bigger globe. Universalism beats globalism. If you don't get this after twenty seconds?

Jerusalem will have a throne for the whole world. See; Rock paper scissors.

Trump might as well go with: Make everything great. Though as a baby step America might do. What part of planet earth hasn't heard of him?

Anonymous SciVo August 22, 2016 7:19 AM  

omar's running shoes wrote:There's a reason he's being taken off the $10 and replaced with an ugly black woman.

That isn't happening. They're displacing Jackson for Tubman instead, because they're weak-minded faggots and Hamilton has a Broadway show.

Blogger Lee Katt August 22, 2016 7:28 AM  

"At this moment I heard Kurtz's deep voice behind the curtain: 'Save me!—save the ivory, you mean. Don't tell me. Save me! Why, I've had to save you. You are interrupting my plans now. Sick! Sick! Not so sick as you would like to believe. Never mind. I'll carry my ideas out yet—I will return. I'll show you what can be done. You with your little peddling notions—you are interfering with me. I will return. I....'

Vox Day: You have gone totally insane and your methods are unsound. I await to hear reports of large shipments of ivory.

To the others here playing the part of the Russian in Conrad's great book, remember this about the British Isles: "And this also," said Marlow suddenly, "has been one of the dark places of the earth."

And if you can't get that gentle message, here's one more up to date and fitting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_leY_LgOuQ

One of the dangers of the excesses of the Weimar Republic was the extreme counter-reaction.

The United States is 240 years old and is not about to break up along ethnic lines. Ted is a very smart man and a skilled rhetorician, and quite accomplished. But he is on the edge of going mad. Remember Chesterton's explanation of arguing with a madman: Madmen are not irrational; a madman is someone who has lost everything but his reason.

It's a shame -- half the time Vox is quite insightful. I'll still be there, if I don't get banned.

I will close with this: If you really think that somehow the United States is going to be an Anglo-Saxon nation of actual Anglo-Saxons (and who let that Saxon riff-raff into the room?), there is just not enough people to do that and we are far too mixed up. Not to mention the British have a massive government and have since Atlee.

Cheers.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 22, 2016 7:37 AM  

If we never admitted Irish or Jews, I wouldn't exist, since my dad was 3rd generation Austrian Jew and 2nd generation Polish Jew. But then again, I wouldn't know it if I never existed, so who cares? It's not like all the mutts whose parents were Irish and Jewish immigrants would know if the suddenly ceased to exist.

Anonymous Eric the Red August 22, 2016 7:48 AM  

@2 SciVo...
Roosh made an insightful observation: (TPTB) had left him alone, up until the point he started trying to organize, real people, real meeting, etc. etc. Then TPTB came down hard, using their useful SJW idiots to do the dirty work.
So I'd say it's time to start discretely building organizations, including plans on classic cells, code words, pre-arranged meeting places, stores, etc. etc.

@40 Lee Katt...
Your assertions and 3rd-rate attempts at psychoanalysis are laughable. The truth of the matter is that nobody knows what will happen when the predicted financial crisis hits the US. For one thing your pet dindus will be the first to self-destruct and try to drag everyone else down with them. Those with a smug uniformitarian mindset will be in a state of shock when society crumbles and resets in completely unpredictable ways. And we also note you got in an unsubtle but typically leftist attempt to point-and-scream fascism.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 22, 2016 7:52 AM  

there is just not enough people to do that and we are far too mixed up.

It's just too complicated!

Blogger Salt August 22, 2016 7:53 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:If we never admitted Irish or Jews, I wouldn't exist,

So what caused, or allowed, those other portions of Irish and Jews to assimilate into the OP idea of Americanism?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2016 7:54 AM  

Who cares what they love? Just because you love something doesn't mean you understand how it works. Lots of people love computers too, but they can't make them, fix, them, or even maintain them.

And it is whites ignorant of this who have embraced the uplift of aliens (blacks, browns and yellows) to "brotherhood," even as doing so makes them slaves in the land their ancestors conquered.

Anonymous Philipp August 22, 2016 7:58 AM  

"No immigrant, or child, grandchild, or great-grandchild of immigrants, should have been permitted to vote or hold any office. Had the USA instituted such a policy, it might still be America instead of a multi-ethnic, white-minority idiocracy on the verge of crumbling into violent conflict and ethnic partition, as the ignorant public entertains itself by pretending to believe that Hamilton was either black or Hispanic."

Correct. I agree.

But then again, I am not an American and I do not pretend to be one.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 22, 2016 7:58 AM  

I think very few did, so do those few outweigh the greater good?

Blogger Gifford Pinchot August 22, 2016 8:06 AM  

VD, your comments are the Irish are ridiculous

If Anglos are so naturally libertarian and Irish are not, why does Ireland have more liberal speech and gun laws than the UK?
Why did the UK elect a socialist government in 1947?
Why did the Irish trade unions play a distinct role in restricting immigration in 1924?

Blogger Nigel McPhearson August 22, 2016 8:14 AM  

I always get the "but we allowed you Irish to stay" arguement. I guess the argument is that once an ethnic group is allowed in they are morally obligated to advocate for everyone that comes after, forever. . This is of course one of the best arguments for not letting more people in.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 22, 2016 8:14 AM  

Pinchot,

Do you think Vox is making the case that Hamilton was libertarian? I'm not sure how you got that, since libertarians are mostly open borders nutjobs.

I think you need to slow down and read again.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2016 8:17 AM  

@42 Eric,
The truth of the matter is that nobody knows what will happen when the predicted financial crisis hits the US. For one thing your pet dindus will be the first to self-destruct and try to drag everyone else down with them. Those with a smug uniformitarian mindset will be in a state of shock when society crumbles and resets in completely unpredictable ways. And we also note you got in an unsubtle but typically leftist attempt to point-and-scream fascism.

Excellent point. No one knows, and the people who forecast the future as a straight line extension of the past are likely to be disappointed.

I am firmly committed to the view that even the doomers grossly underestimate the scope of what must be reset when this 50 year lurch into utter fantasy finally ends.

I just realized that the elevation of blacks to Magic Talismen (such that white-created institutions exist solely to rip the shirt of whitey's back and give it to any black who shows up) is all part of the same delusion of unlimited resources bequeathed by the unprecedented success of our (white) ancestors. From the seed in England to the sprout in early America, a trend of exponentially rising wealth and prosperity created a populace besotted with the fruits of it ancestors.

Like spoiled children of the idle rich, our fellow countrymen decided it was somehow unjust that the cook, the maid and the butler were not dining in splendor so they invited the (PAID!) servants to sit with them, vacation with them, and (in some cases) share their bed.

I now see that this cycle is and always was inevitable. No one I know has any clue from where our prosperity arose, or who it is that maintains it. Pretty blonde coeds get down on their knees for black athletes whose fame is for NOTHING more than being entertainment. As noted here, if you want to see which subspecies is "dominant," look which way the cross-mating patterns exist:
When wolves encounter dogs, they usually eat them. But sometimes they mate with them. When they mate it is almost always the male wolf with the female dog. The reverse is rare — male dogs are almost never able to mate with female wolves. The hybrid puppies are usually fully fertile, so by this definition Canis lupus and Canis familiaris are not different species.
http://www.amren.com/news/2016/08/the-biological-reality-of-race-2/

This could ONLY occur if whites, the engine of innovation keeping the lights on and thus the natural apex of American civilization, artificially elevate entertainment and those who provide it above those whose efforts actually make the modern world they take for granted.

Most of America is doomed (I think the UK is already done, unless the very few surviving English displace the Scotts in the highlands and hold out until the browns self-immolate.) Most whites are simply too soft and too ignorant to grasp that they've made themselves slaves in their own lands. They're too stupid to realize that when the Mass Mind realizes that resources are actually limited and rapidly dwindling due to failure to husband them, if the "CAN'T DO's" are in charge, the result will be South Africa, where in a generation they won't have electricity.

Anonymous Joe Blowe August 22, 2016 8:23 AM  

Gifford Pinchot wrote:If Anglos are so naturally libertarian and Irish are not, why does Ireland have more liberal speech and gun laws than the UK?

Why did the UK elect a socialist government in 1947?

Why did the Irish trade unions play a distinct role in restricting immigration in 1924?


The Anglo people don't rule (formerly) Great Britain any more than Americans rule America.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 22, 2016 8:25 AM  

*Says Irish aren't Americans*

How dare you insult the Irish! We are a proud people!

*Says Muslims oppose free speech*

How dare you insult the Prophet! We will kill you!

*Says women are solipsistic*

I'm not solipsistic, and I'm a woman! How dare you!

Anonymous 5343 August 22, 2016 8:28 AM  

If you really think that somehow the United States is going to be an Anglo-Saxon nation of actual Anglo-Saxons (and who let that Saxon riff-raff into the room?), there is just not enough people to do that and we are far too mixed up.

This may well turn out to be true, but only by talking about the ideal will we move anywhere at all. And any movement toward a more nationalistic approach is good movement. Your argument amounts to "We will never reach your idea of a perfect U.S., so let's not do anything at all".

Which is defeatist nonsense.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2016 8:29 AM  

For those who wonder how immigrants might be truly assimilated, I suggest adoption. From my (possibly unique) perspective, I am truly a seed sprouted in the USA. As an adoptee, I have no upstream attachments to culture or place or nation, and my only consideration is my family, i.e., my descendants, and the land on which they must make their way.

My genetics still code for my views; I'm English & Scottish by biological ancestry, but it is my reason that sees how foolishly my peers have squandered the gifts from the past and insured widespread hardship in the future. My peers see iGadgets and Amazon.com shopping ease and believe they live in a time of unprecedented wisdom and production. I see weeds in the parking lots of stores, of factories, of small businesses, and I see growing concentrations of people who could not have helped build the America of 1950, much less a prosperous 21st century country, people whose demands grow geometrically each year even as their members regress rapidly toward the complete savagery and barbarism of THEIR ancestors.

There are no modern precedents for what is coming to North America.

Blogger Lee Katt August 22, 2016 8:31 AM  

@42: Eric: I am a conservative, not a leftist, and what I'm doing is called policing our own side. Point and shriek fascism is indeed wrong, and then one day you come across legitimate blood-and-soil fascists complaining about the mud people. Just calling a spade a spade. You guys are one step from Stormfront. Knock it off and come back from the edge.

The Irish are now a problem? The Poles and Catholics can be American? Oh, thank you so much. The Scandinavians genetically like big government?

This is madness. It's not Sparta. You're just nuts.

Pointing to a massive financial crisis and saying, Oh, you'll see then, then you'll see, I had them with the strawberries then I had them ... sheesh.

Anonymous Raptor disrespect from behind August 22, 2016 8:35 AM  

VD, I assume you are distinguishing between the wave of Irish immigration from the Potato Famine on and the Scots-Irish from the colonial area? The Scots-Irish of Appalachia and the Carolinas certainly seem to support a more traditionally American philosophy.

Blogger Matthew August 22, 2016 8:37 AM  

Lee Katt wrote:what I'm doing is called policing our own side.

Also known as being an insufferable twat.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2016 8:39 AM  

If you really think that somehow the United States is going to be an Anglo-Saxon nation of actual Anglo-Saxons (and who let that Saxon riff-raff into the room?), there is just not enough people to do that and we are far too mixed up.

There are two paths ahead for non-Asian lands. Either those who create the modern world (electricity, order, safety, etc.) hang together, self-segregate and continue due to a realization that they alone are capable of doing so, or they will eventually be entirely displaced, subsumed or even slaughtered. The latter is the South Africa future, or the Aztlan future, or maybe the Jamaica/Haiti future.

I don't think primitive subspecies of people are capable of pulling that off. In North America, only if white people take the Jonestown Option is it possible. Today's feminism only exists because MEN are willing to humor "girls in charge" and act as their enforcement agents. Without men to enforce their petty totalitarianism, women-in-charge would be a laughingstock. This is just as true with the cult of whites giving blacks and browns the shirts off their backs. No more job preferences. No more free college to study meaningless subjects like "Black Studies." Take away the food subsidies and the masses of underclass blacks would starve, kill each other or die en masse under volleys of fire from whites defending themselves from attack.

So no, the USA isn't going to go Back To The Past. But anyone who thinks the current trajectory is permanent is a complete fool.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 22, 2016 8:41 AM  

"but the Irish have largely melted into the polity after accounting for income levels and a certain day in March. "

That they still have that day in March shows that they aren't Americans. If you call yourself a "XXXXX-American", then you aren't American. You are whatever "XXXXX" is.

If I go back far enough, my paternal ancestors were Normans, then border English. But I am not French or English, I am American with no hyphen needed.

Blogger Gifford Pinchot August 22, 2016 8:42 AM  

"The Anglo people don't rule (formerly) Great Britain any more than Americans rule America."

Jews rule UK , predominantly Anglo stock = Jews fault, Anglos not at fault

Jews rule US, small amount of Irish = IRISH FAULT!!!GAS THE SPUDS, WHITE WAR NOW

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 22, 2016 8:43 AM  

If racism is insanity, all black people are insane.

Are you a Baby Boomer, Lee Katt?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2016 8:45 AM  

Pointing to a massive financial crisis and saying, Oh, you'll see then, then you'll see, I had them with the strawberries then I had them ... sheesh.

Past results are not an indication of future returns. But I know that, like 99.9999% of people, that statement (applied to stock prices or to social conditions) goes in one eye and out the other. No one buys mutual funds thinking that yes, actually, in a few years all that money could be gone. And people look at the last 100 years in the USA and think, eh, not to worry, things worked out in the 1970's, in 2002, and in 2009. The worriers were wrong, they always will be wrong. And yes, we can borrow our way to success, permanently buy off a savage underclass and all because, hey, there's always more loot available from where it all came before.

Anonymous Erik August 22, 2016 8:49 AM  

Lee Katt: What have you conserved? What do you plan to conserve? You're not looking very conservative to me.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 22, 2016 8:49 AM  

Lee Katt,

You're in the wrong fucking place to be policing "your side".

Anonymous Mister M August 22, 2016 8:54 AM  

"...as the ignorant public entertains itself by pretending to believe that Hamilton was either black or Hispanic."

As a NYC resident the Liberal Proles here practically salivate and get googly eyed when you mention "Hamilton". They are ahistorical and generally ignorant. The women are even worse. I tell them some historical truth about AHamilton - to no effect of course. As they don't live in reality, real information just bounces off.

I do enjoy being "that guy" however...

Anonymous johnc August 22, 2016 8:54 AM  

@60 That they still have that day in March shows that they aren't Americans.

Why should the Irish forget their Christian heritage?

Why are Westerners -- especially Americans -- the only ones in the world required to deny their ancestry?

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 8:57 AM  

I am a conservative, not a leftist, and what I'm doing is called policing our own side.

If you don't knock it off, you'll be banned. You don't even think of trying to police me on my own site.

Don't do it again.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 8:57 AM  

Why are Westerners -- especially Americans -- the only ones in the world required to deny their ancestry?

Because if you're Irish, or Swedish, or Jewish, or anything else, you are not American.

Anonymous Joe Blowe August 22, 2016 8:58 AM  

Gifford Pinchot wrote:"The Anglo people don't rule (formerly) Great Britain any more than Americans rule America."

Jews rule UK , predominantly Anglo stock = Jews fault, Anglos not at fault

Jews rule US, small amount of Irish = IRISH FAULT!!!GAS THE SPUDS, WHITE WAR NOW


Pretty much. Collaborators should go to the wall.

Blogger residentMoron August 22, 2016 9:00 AM  

Everything after the hyphen is bullshit, eh?

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 9:00 AM  

VD, I assume you are distinguishing between the wave of Irish immigration from the Potato Famine on and the Scots-Irish from the colonial area? The Scots-Irish of Appalachia and the Carolinas certainly seem to support a more traditionally American philosophy.

For the most part, yes.

The Irish are now a problem? The Poles and Catholics can be American? Oh, thank you so much. The Scandinavians genetically like big government?

No, the Irish were a problem that created the much bigger problem. And yes, as anyone who lives in Wisconsin or Minnesota knows, the Scandinavians LOVE big government. Because it helps people, you see.

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 22, 2016 9:01 AM  

I'm 3rd generation Italian immigrant on one side of my blood line, and fourth generation Italian immigrant on the other. I grew up in the USA.

If a war were to occur between the USA and Italy, I'd fight for Italy.

Vox is right. Funny that self-aware immigrants here know he's right because we've grappled with the question of why we feel a loyalty and pride for our tribe even when we don't live among them or live in the homeland.

Blogger praetorian August 22, 2016 9:01 AM  

it happens, the ruination of the United States is the result of the "contributions" of two groups of immigrants, Irish and Jewish.

For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, 'You will never not be a mischling potato nigger'

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 9:01 AM  

Everything after the hyphen is bullshit, eh?

What comes before the hyphen is identity. What comes after the hyphen is residence.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 22, 2016 9:02 AM  

Lee Katt,

You're in the wrong fucking place to be policing "your side".

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 22, 2016 9:06 AM  

Speaking of the U.K., there is a reason why a place in north France is called Brittany and why the south eastern U.K. should be called England and not Brittain.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 22, 2016 9:07 AM  

There are no hyphens.

There are no other places to go. For some of us, we (and our descendants) thrive here, or we thrive nowhere. This is why (Utopian Wish) people with dual citizenship should NEVER be allowed to vote, and foreign (or dual citizenship) people should NEVER be allowed to own any part of the "press." Violating these prohibitions should be punished by permanent exile, with a bounty placed on that person's head, dead or alive, if they set foot in the country ever again.

This won't happen in the USA, of course, but a future, smaller polity might be run by people wise enough to embrace it.

"Hyphen" people should GTFO. Go "Home," same as immivaders.

Anonymous Omaha August 22, 2016 9:08 AM  

It don't matter who proposed the 1965 immigration act, it don't pass without huge support from the white Anglo Christians. They could have crushed it in committee.

More importantly, in 1965 there were'nt enough states to form a coalition let alone a majority where Jews or Irish held electoral sway. However! The number of states that voted in good God fearing Anglos was large enough to shut down this legislation in either Committee or the Senate.

VD's conspiracy theory of politics don't hunt. Hell, it don't even wake up from a good snooze to eat.

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 22, 2016 9:11 AM  

@79 - Right, Omaha, because no one could possibly run a multi decades long propaganda push that utilizes people's misconceptions about their faith to twist them into doing something that would hurt them. That just never happens, ever

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 22, 2016 9:14 AM  

Why the hand wringing about nationalism? If the USA sent my 3rd/4th gen butt back to Italy, yeah, it would suck, and my life would be up-ended for a bit, but life would carry on and I'd understand it in principle. If I don't want Italy to turn into a multicultural 3rd world shit hole, I should allow other countries to avoid the same fate.

What happened to thinking along principles rather than self interest and feelings?

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 9:18 AM  

It don't matter who proposed the 1965 immigration act, it don't pass without huge support from the white Anglo Christians.

You're an idiot, Omaha. Do you also think that it doesn't matter who commits the fraud, because, after all, it couldn't have been committed if some suckers hadn't fallen for it?

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 9:20 AM  

What happened to thinking along principles rather than self interest and feelings?

They'd rather risk the USA descending into a third-world hellhole than run the risk of being forced to leave while it's still a better place than their homeland.

That's how much they love America.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 22, 2016 9:24 AM  

Anti-racist conservatives should be boxcarred to Detroit.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 9:34 AM  

Go away, Omaha. You're clearly too stupid to join in this discussion.

And if you ever make any statements about what I do or do not understand again, you'll be spammed.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 22, 2016 9:34 AM  

johnc wrote:Why should the Irish forget their Christian heritage?

Why are Westerners -- especially Americans -- the only ones in the world required to deny their ancestry?


They are not celebrating their "Christian" heritage. They are celebrating being Irish.

If their ancestry is American, fine. If they want to call themselves something else, then they are not American. They can acknowledge and celebrate being Irish, German, or anything else. But if they do, then they should not call themselves American. If they want to be Irish, there is a whole country they can migrate to, it is called Ireland. The same with the Krauts and Germany.

Anonymous johnc August 22, 2016 9:35 AM  

@73 If a war were to occur between the USA and Italy, I'd fight for Italy.

Accepting the fact that we all have our biases, wouldn't you (personally) try to determine which country is more in the right?

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 9:41 AM  

it don't pass without huge support from the white Anglo Christians.

Christians. I almost missed that. But I note how you worked that in apropos of nothing, (((Omaha))) Every. single. time. You are banned for hasbara. Don't comment on VP again.

Anonymous johnc August 22, 2016 9:45 AM  

@86 They are not celebrating their "Christian" heritage. They are celebrating being Irish.

Well I do agree that there is a general secularization problem in all of the West, where Christian feast days are not being taken seriously. But to your point, I've seen similar criticism of the way Italians celebrate Columbus Day.

If their ancestry is American, fine.

This is more of a prudential judgement, but other than Native Americans my view is that America is too young to be claiming it's own separate ancestry, yet old enough to have its own national identity. I recognize that where one draws the line is a personal view but I see American ancestry as an extension of European ancestry. That's probably why I don't see too much of a problem with celebrating Columbus Day or St. Patrick's Day or whatever.

I do agree we should limit voting to third- or fourth-generation immigrants.

Anonymous Rh12 August 22, 2016 9:47 AM  

"More importantly, in 1965 there were'nt enough states to form a coalition let alone a majority where Jews or Irish held electoral sway. However! The number of states that voted in good God fearing Anglos was large enough to shut down this legislation in either Committee or the Senate."

He's correct. Quite few congressional districts in 1965 were controlled by minorities. It was the White folk who controlled congress then. It would be fascinating to discover if any of the large majority of white congressmen who approved the 1965 Immigration Act lost their seat over the vote in 1966.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 22, 2016 9:50 AM  

Calling oneself a hyphenated American seems homosexual.

Like, "Hay guyz, I'm a Redsox-Yankees fan."

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 9:51 AM  

He's correct.

He's not correct at all. He's deflecting by citing an irrelevant fact. And he's banned.

Anonymous Dragnet August 22, 2016 9:51 AM  

Leo Katt, Special Agent, Cuck Squad.

We'd like a word with you, sir...

Anonymous Darth Wheatley #2415 August 22, 2016 9:53 AM  

I'll admit, I'm a product of 50/50% French and Scottish ancestry.

However, let it be noted that it was more than five generations back, on both sides.

I'm not inclined to go around parading my Scottish or French roots (though I am very tempted to get a Kilt, just because). I'm American, and my parents never mentioned ancestry, though two of my great-grandmothers spoke French.

The ones who go around wearing "Irish Pride" t-shirts kind of weird me out. I don't get it... most of the ones I know have never even been to Ireland, neither can they speak Gaelic. They just enjoy drinking.

Blogger Escoffier August 22, 2016 9:56 AM  

residentMoron wrote:
So when they tell you that diversity is the strength of the nation, what are you going to do? Are you going to believe them? Will you cower in shame when they call you a racist? A sexist?

I ask if they've read Putnam's Bowling Alone. Oddly enough a cursory mention of his findings tends to shut them the hell up! Also oddly not a single person on either side of the aisle, to my knowledge, has ever followed up on their own. Weird, right?

Blogger Phesten Scorpe August 22, 2016 10:06 AM  

Unfortunately, what you are suggesting just cannot happen outside of a tyrannical, oppressive form of government. It is the nature of nations to morph and change and yes, to even collapse. Collective ideals are intrinsically fluid and to attempt to hold them static and unchanging is a recipe for many of the horrors we've seen in history.

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 22, 2016 10:09 AM  

@87 - johnc, no, because they are my people. Survival and continuity matter more than being wrong, as you can apologize for being wrong later. If the Indians had been more focused on survival instead of right/wrong, etc., they wouldn't be watching their people die out on reservations while the US gives them a half-hearted apology.

Besides, right now, which country do you think would engage in a war for the wrong reasons? Yeah, it's a no brainier.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 22, 2016 10:11 AM  

"but other than Native Americans my view is that America is too young to be claiming it's own separate ancestry,"



The only native Americans are those of us descended from the Founders of the United States. The tribes here before the colonization were not Americans. They were Apache, Comanche, Cherokee, Lakota, or what ever they called themselves.

My paternal ancestor knocked the dirt of Europe off his feet 370 odd years ago. I am not European in any way. I am American.

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 22, 2016 10:16 AM  

@96 - Those who refuse to discipline themselves will have discipline forced upon them.

If people don't want tyranny, they need to stop being hedonistic moral nihilists and work on increasing the general intelligence of the nation. One way to make sure the IQ doesn't drop and your morals and virtues are not destroyed by relativism is to not import a bunch of tired, poor, huddled, wretched refuse from non-civilized countries who have non compatible cultures hanging on them.

Blogger pyrrhus August 22, 2016 10:19 AM  

Genetic anthropology has now learned that the Ireland's founding population is not Celtic, but an unknown group, and that present Irish retain most of that heritage. So the fundamental differences between the Irish and the other inhabitants of the British Isles is real and goes back millennia.....

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 10:21 AM  

The only native Americans are those of us descended from the Founders of the United States. The tribes here before the colonization were not Americans. They were Apache, Comanche, Cherokee, Lakota, or what ever they called themselves.

This is true. We were, are are, sovereign nations.

Anonymous Rh12 August 22, 2016 10:21 AM  

"He's not correct at all. He's deflecting by citing an irrelevant fact. And he's banned."

All I know is that the immigration Act was strongly supported by a large majority of our white Americans in Congress and my cursory review of the next elections showed no consequences for their support.

It is interesting to note also that Truman and Eisenhower supported the change in immigration policy.

Blogger FALPhil August 22, 2016 10:26 AM  

@50 Stg58/Animal Mother
Do you think Vox is making the case that Hamilton was libertarian? I'm not sure how you got that, since libertarians are mostly open borders nutjobs.

Not so fast, bubba.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/08/hans-hermann-hoppe/open-borders-libertarian/

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 10:29 AM  

Tribalism is a factor. The Irish are a tribal people, the Jews will brag of tribalism under the right circumstances. Tribal people will opt for "The Tribe" or "Me Tribe" in a kind of reflex, or instinct. It's how their tribe survived for hundreds of generations.

Hart-Cuellar was clearly a tribal piece of work, never noticed that before, but it was all about "more of Me Tribe, no matter the cost". Although surely pitched to the Anglo Saxons in terms of fairness, a word that has been the root password to the Constitution for a long time.

You know, both the Irish and the Jews have played the "poor, poor, helpless victim" card for generations in the US. Perhaps it didn't work all that well in the 19th century, but it surely has been a wonder in the 20th. Now we have a culture where posing as weak and helpless is one way to obtain wealth and even fame.

Oh, well, at least we don't have substantial Irish or Jewish immigration any more. Now we are importing tribal Muslims, that's certain to work out just fine and dandy.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 22, 2016 10:32 AM  

Rh12 wrote:"He's not correct at all. He's deflecting by citing an irrelevant fact. And he's banned."

All I know is that the immigration Act was strongly supported by a large majority of our white Americans in Congress and my cursory review of the next elections showed no consequences for their support.

It is interesting to note also that Truman and Eisenhower supported the change in immigration policy.


"All I know is that the mark strongly supported giving his bank account numbers to a conman, and a lot of his friends agreed it was a good idea. Hence, it was the mark which caused the con to happen and is responsible for everything."

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 22, 2016 10:35 AM  

FALphil,

Ah ha that's why I said "most libertarians". I was just reading that last week.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 22, 2016 10:36 AM  

VD wrote:The only native Americans are those of us descended from the Founders of the United States. The tribes here before the colonization were not Americans. They were Apache, Comanche, Cherokee, Lakota, or what ever they called themselves.

This is true. We were, are are, sovereign nations.


As I recall, Indians were not even counted as US citizens until 1926. It gets worse though… In the past five years a Federal Blackrobe ruled that the Oklahoma Cherokee cannot decide who is a Cherokee and forced them to admit negroes to the tribal roles. The Feds simply cannot stop abusing the Indians. Now they do so in the name of die-ver-city so Latrina and her 21 crack-babies (thank BGKB for the descriptive phrase) can collect some of the gibsmedats from the casinos where white Baby Boomers are spending their retirement money.

Blogger residentMoron August 22, 2016 10:37 AM  

@95 Escoffier

Thanks for the reference, I've added it to my list.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 10:38 AM  

The only native Americans are those of us descended from the Founders of the United States. The tribes here before the colonization were not Americans. They were Apache, Comanche, Cherokee, Lakota, or what ever they called themselves.

They are physically distinct peoples, therefore they are genetically distinct to some extent. Apache look different from Navaho look different from Sioux. They made low level war on each other for generations completely aside from anything to do with the whites; that's one thing nations do. And they are distinctly tribal, thinking "is this good for my tribe", although that has broken down to some extent since the mid 20th century, there is some degree of Indian unity, sometimes.

Say an American white man marries a woman out of one of the Indian nations; an Apache woman or Sioux, whatever. Will any children be "American"? 100+ years ago they would have been "half-breed".

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 10:43 AM  

In the past five years a Federal Blackrobe ruled that the Oklahoma Cherokee cannot decide who is a Cherokee and forced them to admit negroes to the tribal roles.

That's bound to be working its way towards the Supremes. The Indian nations in Oklahoma have always been quite jealous about Roll numbers, and with good reason.

Blogger CarpeOro August 22, 2016 10:44 AM  

@ Lee Kat

Quoting Conrad in a thread on Nationalism and identity - priceless. Appears you missed out on how assimilated of an Englishman he was. Even Wikipedia can provide the salient point:

"Conrad was first and foremost a Pole and like many Poles a politician and moralist malgré lui [French: "in spite of himself"].

He accused social democrats of his time of acting to weaken "the national sentiment, the preservation of which [was his] concern" – of attempting to dissolve national identities in an impersonal melting-pot. "I look at the future from the depth of a very black past and I find that nothing is left for me except fidelity to a cause lost, to an idea without future." It was Conrad's hopeless fidelity to the memory of Poland that prevented him from believing in the idea of "international fraternity," which he considered, under the circumstances, just a verbal exercise. He resented some socialists' talk of freedom and world brotherhood while keeping silent about his own partitioned and oppressed Poland.

Good work vindicating VD.

Anonymous DissidentRight August 22, 2016 10:44 AM  

My parents never talked about ancestry. Ever. Since my mother was always moderately interested in tradcon politics, I always identified as an American conservative–to the point where I was weirded out by my grandfather discussing bigotry against Eastern European Catholics. (At least his family didn't vote Democrat.) Later I realized he was reacting to black whiners; he dropped hints but was too polite to say it outright.

Ironically, becoming Alt Right is was made me interested in my family tree... But I have never felt a twinge of loyalty to any of my ancestors' nations of origin, except in the sense that they are nominally members of Christendom.

Anonymous Rh12 August 22, 2016 10:51 AM  

@105

I not willing to accept the "con job" theory to explain why it was the Anglos in congress who supported the 1965 Immigration Act. It leads to the conclusion that white Americans are ideologically untrustworthy.

The fact is that way back in 1952, Mr. Truman supported ending the old immigration quota system.

If forced to look at the 1965 Immigration Act by ethnic group, the best that can be said is that Anglos did not oppose it.

The worst is that Anglos are no better than others at preserving Americas original ethnic heritage.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 10:53 AM  


It is interesting to note also that Truman and Eisenhower supported the change in immigration policy.


I wonder just how much support was guilted up in the name of The Holocaust? That would have worked on some upper class Anglos, added to the "fairness" argument and the very strong "one-world" smog floating around back in the 50's and 60's.

Cellar is a kind of model for the rest of us. He set out in 1924 to change US immigration law and kept at it for 40 years. Perseverance plus choosing allies carefully paid off. Having a totally secure Congressional district in Brooklyn as a base made it all possible.

According to Wiki, Cellar's grandparents were German, a mix of Jews and one Catholic.

Anonymous r August 22, 2016 11:03 AM  

It's very important to distinguish the so-called "Scots-Irish" of Appalachia from the Irish when discussing this. The former are Americans, which is why they're sneered at as "white trash".

If I were a woman, I could join the DAR easily with well-documented male-line genealogy. Their criteria are on the loose side, but they basically have the right idea. America has basically been coasting on the superior quality of its founding stock for the 250-300 or so years it's been around, but that's clearly over.

Blogger flyingtiger August 22, 2016 11:03 AM  

I have always believed that the USA has yet to recover from the massive Irish immigration caused by the potato plague. We are still suffering from the effects.

Anonymous Joe Blowe August 22, 2016 11:06 AM  

I not willing to accept the "con job" theory to explain why it was the Anglos in congress who supported the 1965 Immigration Act.

Its not called CONgress for nothing. Beside CONgressmen are subject to same social pressures and psych warfare that the rest of population suffers from. By the 1960's the USA had been drowning in (((Frankfort School))) Globalism and "anti-Racism" propaganda for decades. And if the con job theory doesn't work not the bribe & blackmail theory?

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 11:10 AM  

The worst is that Anglos are no better than others at preserving Americas original ethnic heritage.

No, that is not the worst. If you were to ban all immigration and dual-citizenship today, do you really think it would be Anglos - the actual Americans - who would be leading the charge to stop you?

I don't know why you're lying to yourself, but you are. The 1965 Immigration Act was the result of 4 DECADES of intense effort to destroy the American nation. Blame the Congress for not seeing through the deceit, blame them for not seeing the consequences, but you can't blame them for the 40-year campaign.

Anonymous Rh12 August 22, 2016 11:13 AM  

"Having a totally secure Congressional district in Brooklyn as a base made it all possible."

Then as now, incumbents with very safe districts nearly assured re election.

You can't blame it on just Jews and Irish. Anglo Americans in and out of office assured the bill passed quite easily.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 11:19 AM  

Cellar was a lawyer. He was a key player in the 1960's social legislation, including the Gun Control Act of 1968. Perseverance plus careful selection of allies.

Cut/paste from Wiki:
As Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee from 1949 to 1973 (except for a break from when the Republicans controlled the House), Celler was involved in drafting and passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Civil Rights Act of 1968 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. In January 1965, Celler proposed in the House of Representatives the Twenty-fifth Amendment, which clarifies an ambiguous provision of the Constitution regarding succession to the presidency. Also in 1965, he proposed and steered to passage the Hart-Celler Act, which eliminated national origins as a consideration for immigration. This was the culminating moment in Celler's 41-year fight to overcome restriction on immigration to the United States based on national origin. The US Gun Control Act of 1968 directly evolved from Celler's Bill H.R. 17735.[4][5]

Blogger Matamoros August 22, 2016 11:19 AM  

#17 It should be noted that the German wave of immigrants, though normally less conspicuous in histories, also contributed substantially to changing the underlying rule sets and expanding the acceptable role that the state should play in the United States.

The Germans here before 1848 were fleeing the devastation of the 100 years war and wanted to be productive Americans. Some were nobility, most were farmers who supported small government and freedom. They are responsible for a lot of the technical and scientific advancement of America, and are old/real Americans along with the English and Scots-Irish.

The 1848'ers, and many after, were commies who fled Germany after a failed communist revolution. They were/are believers in big government, pro-socialist/communist, were big proponents of Lincoln's War against the Confederacy to destroy the old Constitutional republic and replace it with Lincoln's unified State and provided many of the atrocities against the South along with the Irish.

Anonymous johnc August 22, 2016 11:28 AM  

Historically, as today, liberal immigration is pushed by interests that desire cheap labor. And those interests tend to be very powerful and influential. They may extol all kinds of platitudes about immigrants to cover their primary intentions, but it's about money.

This goes all the way back, of course. It wasn't mostly Irish and Jews bringing Africans in by the boatload.

Anonymous 11B August 22, 2016 11:30 AM  

All I know is that the immigration Act was strongly supported by a large majority of our white Americans in Congress and my cursory review of the next elections showed no consequences for their support.

Keep in mind this act was sold to the majority as some benign act of fairness that would not alter the nation. This is what Kennedy said on the Senate floor:

"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same.... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset.... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia.... In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think.... It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs."

Now why would Kennedy feel the need to say such a thing if the majority wanted their nation changed as it has certainly been changed? Clearly Kennedy knew the majority did not want to radically alter the ethnic composition of their nation.

Anonymous Darth Wheatley #2415 August 22, 2016 11:31 AM  

r wrote:It's very important to distinguish the so-called "Scots-Irish" of Appalachia from the Irish when discussing this. The former are Americans, which is why they're sneered at as "white trash".


This is indeed the case with my family. I've been to the foothills of KY where my father grew up. It's one of the poorest areas I've ever seen.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 22, 2016 11:31 AM  

People keep on forgetting historical context and background. The 1965 open-borders act didn't happen one day all by itself out of the blue. By 1965, only approved candidates were even permitted to run for Congress.

In 1865, the states were reduced to provinces and amendments 13-15 passed by the radical Repuke congress and its toadies in the states (non-occupied, and controlled by federal armies). This consolidation of Federal power was put on hold somewhat thanks to the electoral upheaval of 1876 (after which Federal military occupation of the South ended), at which point the elites pursued women's suffrage - starting in the territory of Wyoming as I recall. By 1926 (Johnson immigration act referenced), oligarch control was far greater than 1876 but less pervasive than it was after 1932 - though they had sufficient control to pass the Federal reserve act, get us involved in the Great War, and enact amendments 16 (income tax), 17 (popular election of senate), 18 (prohibition), and 19 (women's vote) - all by 1920.

The oligarchs are in permanent power because they have the license to literally counterfeit money so they are not limited by costs of paying for anything with real money - unlike non oligarchs. By 1933, the last of the old Anglo-elite capable of resisting the new order was out of the game: either coopted into the beast from Jekyll Island (Prescott Bush family for example) or rapidly dwindling in wealth (Vanderbilts). The new elite consisted of the (((banksteins))) and other criminals like the Kennedys. Henry Ford was one of the last hold outs of the older elite, but (((they))) ended up controlling his estate also - see the Ford Foundation, a nest of wickedness exceeded perhaps only by Soros' organization, for details.

It's important to know something of the history. For starters, it might help us to discover that all-important weakest link in the chains of power which enslave a large portion of the globe. Break the weakest link and the chains start to unravel. Move one to break the next weakest link - un so weiter

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 22, 2016 11:35 AM  

FALphil,

Ah ha that's why I said "most libertarians". I was just reading that last week.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 22, 2016 11:38 AM  

Matamoros wrote:#17 It should be noted that the German wave of immigrants, though normally less conspicuous in histories, also contributed substantially to changing the underlying rule sets and expanding the acceptable role that the state should play in the United States.

The Germans here before 1848 were fleeing the devastation of the 100 years war and wanted to be productive Americans. Some were nobility, most were farmers who supported small government and freedom. They are responsible for a lot of the technical and scientific advancement of America, and are old/real Americans along with the English and Scots-Irish.

The 1848'ers, and many after, were commies who fled Germany after a failed communist revolution. They were/are believers in big government, pro-socialist/communist, were big proponents of Lincoln's War against the Confederacy to destroy the old Constitutional republic and replace it with Lincoln's unified State and provided many of the atrocities against the South along with the Irish.


Excellent example of the type of historical context important in understanding how we got to this disastrous state of affairs. Very, very true.

Blogger Tamquam August 22, 2016 11:41 AM  

Being a believer in neither 'magic dirt' or 'magic melanin' it seems to me that a thesis not being considered regarding these men is whether their support for unbridled immigration (and other destructive policies) had less to do with their ethnic origins and more to do with their political affiliations. Certainly Kennedy was a Soviet sympathizer and Communist fellow traveller. Celler seems to have caught the eye of Sen. McCarthy (and McCarthy was right, even though he didn't know the half of it). A brief review of material readily available on Hart says nothing about any possible Socialist leanings, but then neither do they appear in cursory searches for Kennedy and Celler. It is far more likely that supporters of the Progressive agenda in persons of non-Anglo-Saxon extraction is by far more the result of the influence of intellectual memes of alien origin than of transmission by ethic factors.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 11:42 AM  

You can't blame it on just Jews and Irish.

Yes, you can. You can even blame it on specific Jews and Irishmen. They wanted it. They pushed for it. They convinced Americans to go for it. It is all their fault.

History will damn them for it, and rightly so.

Now drop it. You've made your case, such as it is, and there is nothing more to it.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 11:43 AM  

Being a believer in neither 'magic dirt' or 'magic melanin' it seems to me that a thesis not being considered regarding these men is whether their support for unbridled immigration (and other destructive policies) had less to do with their ethnic origins and more to do with their political affiliations.

We've been over the "it's culture, not race" thing here too many times to do it again. It was a direct consequence of their ethnic tribalism. Deal with it.

Blogger praetorian August 22, 2016 11:45 AM  

I don't know why you're lying to yourself, but you are. The 1965 Immigration Act was the result of 4 DECADES of intense effort to destroy the American nation

The intense effort was not on the part of the irish (intense effort & the irish, lol), but rather the jews. The Irish were the front men, putting a white face on a jewish cause, for thirty pieces of silver. I have dogs on both sides of this fight, but, for what I hope are objective reasons, I blame my jewish ancestors far more than my irish ones for destroying america.

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 22, 2016 11:51 AM  

Actually Johnc, majority of the slave ships were Jewish owned and run. Might want to try a different approach for your false assumptions.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 22, 2016 11:51 AM  

The Irish (remember, I'm more Harp than anything else) brought two distinct but related problems. One was local corruption; think Tammany Hall, in NYC, or the Curley Machine ("Vote often and early for James Michael Curley"), in Boston. But that was mostly just local. It affected a number of east coast cities, Chicago, and a few other places, and those, as an Irish phenom, only for a while.

The greater problem - the _much_ greater problem - derived from the Famine, which is to say a conviction the Irish brought with them (maybe also found in Celtic culture wherever the Celts set down in Europe; the Scots remain much the same), that government has large responsibilities, that when things go completely to shit government must step in, take charge, and fix the disaster. It's not a long step from that position, which isn't entirely indefensible, depending on the nature of the disaster, to redefinition of what constitutes "disaster" to "government must step in and fix the sub-optimal."

And all of that was made worse by Irish ability. As Twain put it, to closely paraphrase, "If the Jews of the Austro-Hungarian Empire had a tenth of the political acumen and organizational ability of the Irish they'd be running the place."

On a more positive note, though, give the Micks their due; they are loyal to their salt, really do love to fight, and will die in their adopted countries' causes without counting. "For the Great Gaels of Ireland...Are the men that God made mad..." It's hard to understand that from the outside, I suppose, but, take my word for it, when your grandmother, your mother, your aunts, and your girl cousins wait on you hand and foot as a little boy, and sit around the table at family get-togethers singing Irish Soldier Boy, which is about violent, premature, but _glorious_ death for a cause, it has a very profound effect. When the Irish nuns tell you, as a little boy, that if you're killed in battle for your country it will count as baptism by fire and you will be translated straight to Heaven, it also has a very profound effect.

On the other hand, who is really to blame here, the Irish who were trying to stay fed and alive or the never sufficiently to be damned WASPs who let them in, and then sold out the country to every other immigrant group there was for another buck or more political power?

I've said it here before; it's not the Irish nor the Italians nor the Poles nor any other immigrant group that's ultimately responsible for the ruination of the country; it's the fucking WASPs, especially left wing fucking WASPs, who had the power, hence the responsibility, and misused it to their own short term advantage.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 22, 2016 11:53 AM  

@24 Servant of the Chief

If Irish are the cause of America's downfall, then it really has been inevitable since the start since the Irish have been apart of the colonies since day one. Protestant and Catholic alike.
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Yeah, there is more too it than just being Irish. The Irish down south that are in my family are not Catholic, and definitely not big government. Not even small government fans.

But the ones that VD refers too, such as Kennedy, and all those Boston types, they are a yuuuuge problem in regards to the topic at hand.

Maybe the ones who were here from before, not part of that big immigration, were mostly Protestants. I don't know.

It's difficult to even square the circle here, as most white people are going to be mutts, with some of their family going way back before the founding, some after.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 11:59 AM  

@119
"Having a totally secure Congressional district in Brooklyn as a base made it all possible."

Then as now, incumbents with very safe districts nearly assured re election.


Irrelevant to the point; Cellar had a secure base from which to endlessly lobby other Congressmen. That's a lesson for people who want to fight - secure base.

You can't blame it on just Jews and Irish. Anglo Americans in and out of office assured the bill passed quite easily.

It was Cellar (3/4 Jewish) who pushed for 40 years, and Irish Hart & Kennedy who joined him in the 60's, that made the 1965 immigration disaster happen. It was Cellar's constituents, almost certainly Jewish, who kept him in his secure Congressional base. It was Irish constituents who kept Hart and the Kennedies in their respective elected offices.

Sure, Anglo politicos were logrolled or guilted or bought or otherwise convinced to vote for it. Without Cellar the legislation would never have been around to vote on, though.

The 1965 immigration disaster was a tribal law intended to benefit two tribes, no matter the harm done to other people. That is an ugly fact, maybe it's a hatefact.

But it's a fact.

Anonymous Rh12 August 22, 2016 12:00 PM  

"Keep in mind this act was sold to the majority as some benign act of fairness that would not alter the nation. This is what Kennedy said on the Senate floor:"

It's also what Truman said in his 1952 Veto message and was what Eisenhower said.

Either way, it's done. Even Trump is backing off his deportation promise. The battle was waged.

Blogger Gifford Pinchot August 22, 2016 12:01 PM  



I probably shouldn't be spending too much time arguing about white identity with a non-white race mixer, but here it goes . . .

"No, that is not the worst. If you were to ban all immigration and dual-citizenship today, do you really think it would be Anglos - the actual Americans - who would be leading the charge to stop you?"

In terms of white groups, Yes Anglos would be the number one group trying to stop him. The US was not built solely be Anglos, they simply made up the northern legal/intellectual class. The ones which would ultimately hand the baton of ruling to the Jews (http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2014/2/17/the-dispossessed-elite).

If the Irish immigrants had arrived long before the Jews, they would have -due to their higher ethnocentrism- ousted the Anglos. And they would never have given their power up to the Jews.
There's often this ridiculous notion that the Anglo elite were racially aware, as if they were all a mini Lothrop Stoddard or Madison Grant. The fact is, if you read the writing on Theodore Roosevelt on race you'll see that already they were softening. TR believed in a sort of lemarckism -that eventually the blacks would rise up if they were educated properly, and it would effect their genetics. (https://books.google.ie/books/about/Theodore_Roosevelt_and_the_Idea_of_Race.html?id=OGvFWIq1d3UC&redir_esc=y)

The fact is, America was set up by a group of white nations, English being the predominant group. Germans often made up the Martial class.
The Civil-War was caused by the eternal Anglo and his altruism.
Back in the 1900s, the democrats actually were the real racists, and that was a good thing.

If the US is going to survive each white group is going to have to specialize, maybe Anglos will make good seamen or Lawyers. .. but just don't let them anywhere near the executive.

Here's an article on John Paul Stevens as a prototypical WASP by Kevin MacDonald*
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/07/kevin-macdonald-john-paul-stevens-as-a-prototypical-wasp/

*Also note, the US's leader academic who has stood up to the Jews is Irish. Protestants, especially calvinist descended types are always underrepresented in real right wing circles.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 22, 2016 12:01 PM  

@27 Gapeseed

Maybe those also remember being pressed into Lincolns war soon after arriving as immigrants.

Anonymous Rh12 August 22, 2016 12:08 PM  

"Sure, Anglo politicos were logrolled or guilted or bought or otherwise convinced to vote for it."

No I'm not willing to say Anglos are inherently dumb, so easily bought or undeserving of representation.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 22, 2016 12:08 PM  

@42 Eric the Red
So I'd say it's time to start discretely building organizations, including plans on classic cells, code words, pre-arranged meeting places, stores, etc. etc.
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You must have missed the topic the other day about how Vox responds to people giving him more things to do.

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 12:08 PM  

40. Blogger Lee Katt August 22, 2016 7:28 AM

The United States is 240 years old and is not about to break up along ethnic lines.


what is the correct method of debunking this kind of statement? seems like he pretends to be some kind of authority or pretends to know the future. must be some technique in logic that defeats this

Blogger Phesten Scorpe August 22, 2016 12:21 PM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:@96 - Those who refuse to discipline themselves will have discipline forced upon them.

If people don't want tyranny, they need to stop being hedonistic moral nihilists and work on increasing the general intelligence of the nation. One way to make sure the IQ doesn't drop and your morals and virtues are not destroyed by relativism is to not import a bunch of tired, poor, huddled, wretched refuse from non-civilized countries who have non compatible cultures hanging on them.


I agree 1,000%. Absolutely. But the real state of our nation is quite the opposite. The hedonistic and morally nihilistic culture of the day is the product of our past blessings and abundance which was the product of our more reserved and morally absolute culture of the past.

Like I said, cultural ideals are fluid. ...And humans are flawed, indeed.

Anonymous Deadlocked August 22, 2016 12:23 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:

I wonder just how much support was guilted up in the name of The Holocaust? That would have worked on some upper class Anglos, added to the "fairness" argument and the very strong "one-world" smog floating around back in the 50's and 60's.

You may be mocking that Holocaust guit and "one-world" feeling, but I think you're pretty close to the mark.

I've been kicking around a theory - a lot of the openness and anti-discrimination of the last 60+ years was a reaction to the sins of the 30 to 100 years before that. Minorities weren't just discriminated against, but were treated as sub-human. It might have been as minor as saying "you can't use the same water fountains as us", or as major as "we're going to herd you like cattle and kill you", but the message was the same.

People saw this, were disgusted, and were willing to do a hell of a lot to make sure it didn't happen again. Now...whether liberals pushed too hard or just suffered unintended consequences, it looks like the pendulum has swung too far the other way.

This doesn't bode well for the future. The alt-right might be pushing hard against current trends, but what happens once those problems are solved? How do we correct things with "over-correcting" and just starting the cycle again?

Blogger Were-Puppy August 22, 2016 12:23 PM  

@57 Raptor disrespect from behind
VD, I assume you are distinguishing between the wave of Irish immigration from the Potato Famine on and the Scots-Irish from the colonial area? The Scots-Irish of Appalachia and the Carolinas certainly seem to support a more traditionally American philosophy.
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That must be the difference I was looking for.

Anonymous Rh12 August 22, 2016 12:23 PM  

"what is the correct method of debunking this kind of statement? seems like he pretends to be some kind of authority or pretends to know the future. must be some technique."

I think it's enough to guide the discussion toward considering what conditions would need to exist for it to be possible. Then it's a matter of demonstrating those conditions are forming.

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 12:28 PM  

(give us your....)a bunch of tired, poor, huddled, wretched refuse

I read the other day that this was written by a jew

Anonymous Deadlocked August 22, 2016 12:33 PM  

@144 - The Scots-Irish were generally either from Scotland or Ulster (which is now mostly Northern Ireland), and were usually some form of Protestant. The Irish that made up later immigration waves were both Ulster Irish and their southern Catholic brethren. I don't know how the immigrants were split, but I believe there were a lot more Catholics in the later waves than in that founding Scots-Irish bloc.

(I'm not sure if the religious difference is the source of any differences, or just a convenient label that's downstream of culture. Most of those northern Irish Protestants were descendants from the Ulster Plantation.)

Anonymous GreyS August 22, 2016 12:33 PM  

Perhaps the worst move this country has ever made was admitting the millions of jews from Germany and Eastern Europe in the late 1800s/early 1900s. No group of people has worked harder and more effectively at dismantling a nation's culture and institutions. Universities, politicians, the judiciary, unions, movie studios, writers, newspapers-- we've seen a concerted effort to change the country dramatically.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 22, 2016 12:36 PM  

@98 Chris Mallory

My paternal ancestor knocked the dirt of Europe off his feet 370 odd years ago. I am not European in any way. I am American.
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One of the things about this topic I wonder about.
Say this is your dad, line been here 370 years.

Let's pretend it's Trump (No idea how long his line goes back).

He then marries an immigrant.

Would that put a problem on his kids in this argument? Or would they just be considered from the paternal line?

It's a rabbit hole.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 12:49 PM  

what is the correct method of debunking this kind of statement?

Cite the average age of a national constitution, which is 17 years. Observe how it compares to the U.S. constitution (227). Then ask what national constitution is closer to its expiration date than the U.S. one.

If they cite American exceptionalism as a defense, note that there are 65 million non-Americans now resident in the USA.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 12:52 PM  

Perhaps the worst move this country has ever made was admitting the millions of jews from Germany and Eastern Europe in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

Perhaps? The reason the Learned Elders of Wye are debating when - not if - to leave the USA is that they know an increasing number of Americans have figured out that Jewish immigrants are responsible for destroying what was once the greatest nation on Earth.

Remember, before the Germans turned on the Jews, they were most scientifically advanced nation on Earth. Notice the pattern? The Learned Elders have.

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 12:53 PM  

@ #145 - Rh12 - thx. it bothers me when someone pretends they know the future but im not clever enough to defeat their statement

@ #148 - agree with that. plus they pretend like they're doing everyone else the favor, instead of themselves

Blogger Gifford Pinchot August 22, 2016 1:01 PM  

"Perhaps? The reason the Learned Elders of Wye are debating when - not if - to leave the USA is that they know an increasing number of Americans have figured out that Jewish immigrants are responsible for destroying what was once the greatest nation on Earth."


Will the Chinese fall for the same tricks? I feel that the Jews are pretty much out of options at this point other than siding with whites, which they'll never do en mass.(Milo as rogue evolutionary strategy?)

A half Jew is sometimes hard to point out, a half Jew in China? I don't think so.

Anonymous johnc August 22, 2016 1:02 PM  

@148

The crux of the problem is in America's Founding ideas. The weakness is built into the foundation. The zeitgeist of the intelligentsia of the Founding Era is basically freemasonry: a decidedly anti-Christian, practical atheism (or, at the time, one could cover it with the dishonest term "deism"). The ideas are pluralism, a government intended to be agnostic of all things, and a libertine view of freedom. It's designed to be all things for all people (plainly, freemasonry).

You can see how, quite ironically, this ideology can only work for a homogenous population. But under the stress of the years, America's foundation is cracking. The more pluralistic the population, the worse it gets.

Recall that Jews have existed in Europe for centuries upon centuries. And not always did they have influence.

America is doomed to fail because error is embedded in its foundation.

Blogger praetorian August 22, 2016 1:28 PM  

America is doomed to fail because error is embedded in its foundation.

I'm reading a book right now, Homo Americanus: Child of the Postmodern Age that argues that America (as defined by puritan/yankeedom, it is frustrating to me that the author, a European, doesn't make a distinction between the yankees and the southerners) was founded on jewish (i.e. Old Testament) ideals. So the notion that America was a Judeo-Christian nation, while obviously wrong in the current "Let's be nice to our older brothers, the Jews" sense, is, at a deeper level, correct for Yankeedom in particular, who were working from a thoroughly judaized, old testament christian perspective.

I can't help but get a whiff of the catholic position that "calvinism == autism + judaism" from the chapter (chapter 4) but it is an interesting point to chew on.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 22, 2016 1:41 PM  

Jerusalem will have a throne for the whole world. See; Rock paper scissors.

Christianity beats Islam beats Judaism ?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 22, 2016 1:42 PM  

Jerusalem will have a throne for the whole world. See; Rock paper scissors.

Christianity beats Islam beats Judaism ?

Anonymous BGKB August 22, 2016 1:50 PM  

A half Jew is sometimes hard to point out, a half Jew in China? I don't think so.

With their small peeners they will blend in well.

Who cares what they love? Just because you love something doesn't mean you understand how it works. Lots of people love

Wedding Cakes but can't make them.

74% of Democrats and 85% of Republicans voted for passage of the 1965 Hart-Celler Act. There were plenty of Anglo-Saxon Americans

Did they get their 30 sheckles or did they believe the leftists

Despite Robert Kennedy's promise that, "Immigration from any single country would be limited to 10 percent of the total," Mexico sent 20 percent of last year's immigrants. Hispanics have made up nearly half of all immigrants since 1968

Representative Emanuel Celler, D-New York, insisted, "There will not be, comparatively speaking, many Asians or Africans entering this country." Today, the number of Asians and Africans entering this country each year exceeds the annual average total number of immigrants during the 1960s.

Senator Robert Kennedy predicted a total of 5,000 immigrants from India; his successor as Attorney General, Nicholas Katzenbach, foresaw a meager 8,000. Actual immigration from India has exceeded by 1,000-times Robert Kennedy's prediction.
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=20777

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 22, 2016 1:55 PM  

America letting the Jews in was a deathblow like the Jews letting the Edomites in.

Blogger beerme August 22, 2016 1:56 PM  

@148 Perhaps the worst move this country has ever made was admitting the millions of jews from Germany and Eastern Europe in the late 1800s/early 1900s. No group of people has worked harder and more effectively at dismantling a nation's culture and institutions. Universities, politicians, the judiciary, unions, movie studios, writers, newspapers-- we've seen a concerted effort to change the country dramatically.

The Eastern and Southern European influx was a exceptionaly virulent strain of immigrant, but we should never focus on them. Never forget that ~25% of the Union Army was made up of immigrants. Immigrants always end up being used to undermine and batter then native population, regardless of their point of origin.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 22, 2016 1:59 PM  

The Irish are unique among Europeans in that they literally never suffered invason betweent he arrival of the Celts, sometime in the pre-Classical era and the arrival of the Normans in the 12th century. The basic patterns of life in Ireland were uninterrupted for 50,000 years.
And those patterns were ALL hyper-violent and the violence was entirely clan-based. While there was a distinction between nobility and commoner, it was looser and much more fluid who belonged to which class. Every adult male capable of bearing arms was counted the member of a clan. Each clan selected its own chieftain without a consideration of the rigid rules of inheritance common to European nobility, and the clans elected the high king depending on shifting power relationships, appeals to strength and often outright murder.

All of which meant survival in Irish society for 1000 generations was entirely dependent on maintaining your clan connections and ensuring the power of your clan.

It's so bred in that most Irish don't even notice that other European ethnicities don't think in the same way. I don't know how successful the (((usual suspects))) have been in deracinating the Irish in Ireland, but clan-first thinking is quite prevalent among Irish-Americans.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 22, 2016 2:03 PM  

That's why Irish-Americans are heavily represented in the #AltRight

Blogger Rabbi B August 22, 2016 2:05 PM  

@154 johnc

Recall that Jews have existed in Europe for centuries upon centuries. And not always did they have influence.

Yes we have, and for that reason the Jews will be held doubly accountable. We were given very specific instructions on how to behave in our respective host countries. I am ashamed to confess that by and large we have failed most miserably.

We are indeed the most stiff-necked of peoples. And, at least for now, it is for this particular quality that we will be remembered among the nations and treated accordingly.

'And as for those of you who are left, I will send faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; the sound of a shaken leaf shall cause them to flee; they shall flee as though fleeing from a sword, and they shall fall when no one pursues.

They shall stumble over one another, as it were before a sword, when no one pursues;
and you shall have no power to stand before your enemies. You shall perish among the nations, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.

And those of you who are left shall waste away in their iniquity in your enemies’ lands; also in their fathers’ iniquities, which are with them, they shall waste away.
(cf. Leviticus 26)

Our only hope . . .

‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember . . .

. . . when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them; for I am the L-rd their G-d.
(cf. Leviticus 26)

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 2:12 PM  

@ #155 - praetorian

I listen to that guy's podcasts. he says he used to be a professor at one of the Cal St universities but he got tired of having to pass minority students who didn't deserve it.

Anonymous Ciaran August 22, 2016 2:12 PM  

"No, they haven't. The Irish still vote for gun control and big government, same as they do in Ireland."

As opposed to the English in England voting for small government and gun rights, you mean? Sorry chum, I don't see much difference between the Irish and the English in their home countries.

Blogger Ciaran August 22, 2016 2:23 PM  

"They are not celebrating their "Christian" heritage. They are celebrating being Irish. "

Screw that. I'm celebrating beer.

Anonymous BGKB August 22, 2016 2:33 PM  

The future is bloody because reversing the damage will not be done at the ballot box. It can't since people won't vote themselves out

If you don't count government workers who produce nothing only around 1/3 of the population actually pays the bills.

If you say "Kill Whitey" long enough, it starts to look like "Kill, Whitey".

To bad the summer is almost over that would be a good T shirt phrase to wear at the beach/ parks.

There's a reason he's being taken off the $10 and replaced with an ugly black woman.

Another one with those Kratman beer goggles that believe in the existence of non ugly black women.

nobody knows what will happen when the predicted financial crisis hits the US. For one thing your pet dindus will be the first to self-destruct and try to drag everyone else down with them

Some of us are hoping the groids will take out the equality believers.

even the doomers grossly underestimate the scope of what must be reset when this 50 year lurch into utter fantasy finally ends.

Preppers expect a 50-80% die off in the US, with everyone that depends on the US for food in bad shape as well.

I do enjoy being "that guy" however

This weekend I told a dike with a "LGBT for H" shirt on that HilLIARy wants to import millions more moslems directly onto welfare & when a dozen desert didndus have their way with her she will be CISGender.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 2:36 PM  

praetorian
I'm reading a book right now, Homo Americanus: Child of the Postmodern Age that argues that America (as defined by puritan/yankeedom, it is frustrating to me that the author, a European, doesn't make a distinction between the yankees and the southerners) was founded on jewish (i.e. Old Testament) ideals. So the notion that America was a Judeo-Christian nation, while obviously wrong in the current "Let's be nice to our older brothers, the Jews" sense, is, at a deeper level, correct for Yankeedom in particular, who were working from a thoroughly judaized, old testament christian perspective.

Maybe another book for the stack. However, I find such arguments to be generally ignorant of history.

The Puritans who settled New England in the 17th century became Congregationalists by the end of the 18th century and then mutated into Unitarians in the 19th century. To refer to those New Englanders of the 20th century as "Calvinist" is just dumb. Anyone who wants to be a Christian missionary to an English-speaking country should consider, oh, Massachusetts or New Hampshire or Vermont.

Every branch of Christianity in North America has changed over the last 200 years, every single one. Some pretty big churches didn't even exist until the early 20th century.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 2:39 PM  

Addendum: and focusing only on the Puritans of New England totally leaves out the Catholics of Maryland, the Church of England / Episcopalians of Virginia, the Methodists in several Southern colonies, the Scots-Irish Presbyterians, the German Baptists...und so weiter.

It's just dumb to focus on one church or one group as The Americans.

Blogger Noah B August 22, 2016 2:49 PM  

No immigrant, or child, grandchild, or great-grandchild of immigrants, should have been permitted to vote or hold any office.

IMO we do not have ample evidence indicating that any amount of time is sufficient for adequately diluting the filth that is the Kennedy genome. They, in particular, will have to go back.

Anonymous Theodore August 22, 2016 3:00 PM  

I read you at WND.
I've read your blog and sent hundreds of people this way.

This is the dumbest post I've ever seen you write. The fact you are so sensitive about people calling you out is telling.

No Vox, telling people they can't "police" here, telling people that if they disagree they are "spammed" errr banned...what are you some kind of (((sjw))) that can't support his facts?

Don't run off on your high horse and pretend you don't have to support your shiet. And don't play wordy sperg games like a fawking joo.

Again: worst post I've ever seen you write and I'm now embarrassed for you.
You're the first to cry out "don't fire on our own" yet you just blanketed an entire fawking proud people and equated them to jews.

Good thing you live in a cave in Europe, as you feverishly talk shiet on america like you live here...."you don't live in America you aren't American"...blahh blah...basically you're living like the international jew, right vox? no home, no people, just pontificating from somewhere...

((((voxday)))? If we can make up opinions on a entire section of society, we can surely make up things about our favorite bloggers. Who do you work for ((vox)))?

Only a wanker Brit named Theodore would talk shiet about Irish people. I got news for you voxxy...If there is such a thing as a chosen people...it's the fawking 1RISH. Now go ahead and respond and defend your anti-irish bs and tell us all what a mutt (even irish too) you are...


For a guy that has prided himself on intellectual superiority for over a decade- for a guy that preaches unity...you jumped the shark on this one.

go hang out with your "allies" (((mike cernovich))) and (((milo))) and make more shekels. keep talking shiet on the 1RISH and your luck will run out.


Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 22, 2016 3:10 PM  

@171 (((Theodore)))

Hit a little close to home, eh? Feeling a bit butt-hurt are we.

Part of being a man and not just a reactive shithead is recognizing valid criticism. And yes, the Irish have fundamentally changed this country and not for the better.
The first question is "Is it true?" If it is true, and it obviously is, the second question is what to do about it. Launching into your pre-written dismissal of the person who said it based on nothing but your own hurt feelings means you're not grown up enough to comment publicly.

And frankly, your statement that "If there is such a thing as a chosen people...it's the fawking 1RISH. Now go ahead and respond and defend your anti-irish bs and tell us all what a mutt (even irish too) you are..." is direct and perfect proof of exactly what Vox is saying.


Besidew, we all know that Vox is Mestizo, not Brit.

Anonymous Pennywise August 22, 2016 3:11 PM  

Hamilton, both as an immigrant himself and someone who foresaw the growth of America, fought for immigration. In 1776, at the Constitutional Convention, there was a debate on limiting membership to Congress to native-born Americans. Hamilton opposed limited membership to Congress to native-born Americans. As Secretary of the Treasury, he clearly understood to achieve industrial parity with Great Britain meant “procur[ing] from Europe skillful workmen”. The primary reason Hamilton magically was opposed immigration was for political purposes. In the end, the ancestors of those immigrant groups that came here, by force or by their own accord, are now American. It’s neural carbonite.

Blogger Rabbi B August 22, 2016 3:12 PM  

Spacebunny better hide the guns...

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 22, 2016 3:13 PM  

171(((Theodore))) are you trying to be a bigger fagot than me?

I am a conservative, not a leftist, and what I'm doing is called policing our own side.

Pointing out that niggers rape 100+ white women every day according to the DOJ is worse than niggers raping 100+ white women every day.

It is interesting to note also that Truman and Eisenhower supported the change in immigration policy.

Patton got killed 6 days after saying "We fought the wrong enemy"

I not willing to accept the "con job" theory to explain why it was the Anglos in congress who supported the 1965 Immigration Act

Do you think all the Home Depot Wetbacks that give $5 BJs are gay?

Cellar had a secure base from which to endlessly lobby other Congressmen. That's a lesson for people who want to fight - secure base.

I thought it was unlimited funding by indebting other people's children?

Recall that Jews have existed in Europe for centuries upon centuries. And not always did they have influence.

Why would nations go through the trouble of kicking them out 200+ times if they didn't matter?

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 3:14 PM  

keep talking shiet on the 1RISH and your luck will run out.

the kennedy's were worthless skunks

Blogger Matamoros August 22, 2016 3:17 PM  

Here is a short article on something I had not really considered. The "migrants" here, and in Europe, are weaponized disease vectors that will unleash plague into White societies because we are not immune to their 3rd world shithole diseases. Something to think about:

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-incidental-plague.html

Anonymous Tawmmy From Quinzee August 22, 2016 3:17 PM  

WHAT KIND OF FACKING CAWK GOBBLING QUEEAH SAYS FAWK? NAWT GRITTY AND NAWT IRISH. NO ONE DENIES THIS!!!

Blogger Rabbi B August 22, 2016 3:17 PM  

(((Irish))) Heh ... now, that's funny.

Blogger Nate August 22, 2016 3:21 PM  

"go hang out with your "allies" (((mike cernovich))) and (((milo))) and make more shekels. keep talking shiet on the 1RISH and your luck will run out. "

The butthurt is over 9000

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 3:23 PM  

Part of being a man and not just a reactive shithead is recognizing valid criticism

yes, good advice

Blogger Matamoros August 22, 2016 3:26 PM  

#155 I'm reading a book right now, Homo Americanus: Child of the Postmodern Age that argues that America (as defined by puritan/yankeedom, it is frustrating to me that the author, a European, doesn't make a distinction between the yankees and the southerners) was founded on jewish (i.e. Old Testament) ideals.

Two books you should read to understand this in better context.

Yankee Babylon, American Dream, American Nightmare, by MacDonald King Aston, and

Jewish Influence in Christian Reform Movements, by Rabbi Louis Newman.

Newman has an Addendum entitled "Briefer Studies", one of which goes into Martin Luther, another entitled "Hebraic Aspects of American Puritanism".

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 3:29 PM  

@ #177 - he didn't even mention parasites like tapeworm

Anonymous Ciaran August 22, 2016 3:34 PM  

"The basic patterns of life in Ireland were uninterrupted for 50,000 years."

Obsolete data. Current genetics indicates that there was a large scale invasion of farmers from what is now Turkey about 6000 years ago.

A 2013 study revealed that many Irish men may be able to trace their roots back to Turkey. Focusing on the role of the Y chromosome, which is passed from father to son, the research indicates Turkish farmers arrived in Ireland about 6,000 years ago, bringing agriculture with them. And they may have been more attractive than the hunter-gatherers whom they replaced.

The genetic patterns for Irish females differ from those of men. “Most maternal genetic lineages seem to descend from hunter-gatherers,” an author of the study, Patricia Balaresque, told the London Times. “To us, this suggests a reproductive advantage for farming males over indigenous hunter-gatherer males during the switch to farming.


More evidence of the same from ancient DNA.

They confirm a picture that has been emerging for decades from archaeological studies. Migrant communities did not compete with the original Irish. They became the Irish.

That's a lesson for our time, and Vox is just pissing in the wind about the Irish. The ancient Turks became the Irish, and the Irish became the Americans. You let enough invaders in, that's what happens.

Blogger Markku August 22, 2016 3:36 PM  

I was informed there's butthurt he... OH GOD!

Anonymous matt August 22, 2016 3:37 PM  

You need to do more study on the people who created America before you make these comments. North America started as several different cultures (and we still are different) and the Irish in the South before the revolution and before the Civil War were a huge part of Southern culture. John C. Calhoun, our greatest political philosopher, was Irish. The back-country Irish in the South are the biggest supporter of gun rights today. In many ways the Irish created Southern culture.

Where are you from? Are you descended from New England stock? That would help explain your lack of knowledge.

Blogger Rabbi B August 22, 2016 3:38 PM  

Irish butthurt ... Irish butthurt everywhere. And I thought the Jews were thin-skinned.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 22, 2016 3:48 PM  

@ 186
Those "Irish" were Ulster Protestants, not Papaist bog hoppers.

Blogger Noah B August 22, 2016 3:54 PM  

You need to do more study on the people who created America before you make these comments.

NAIALT! (even sounds Gaelic)

Blogger Josh August 22, 2016 3:55 PM  

Scots Irish are not Micks

Blogger tz August 22, 2016 4:00 PM  

More cuckery, H/T Ex-Army
Yes indigenous, but the root of the immigration problems is the self-hating natives. While I'm glad to be here (while insuring I have my Grandad's Russian passport in a safe space), I can see the point where women regret the 19th Amendment. It gave ALL women the right to vote (Chesterton had an excellent missive against the practice).

Vox has stated there can only be two choices if you wish to preserve the nation, culture, liberty. You either have mild ethnic filtering of those who are likely to have the right education, temperament, etc. so as to have been one of the noconformist Englishmen who if it was 1750 would migrate here.

(example: Roman law has no Right to a trial by Jury, and no one is outraged at corporate "arbitration clauses" that strip you of that right - Every signer of the Declaration and Constitution would be horrified - where are the Ameriboos?).

The alternative is strict ideological control even up to the constitutional level where rights to alter laws are very weak.

(Where are the Ameriboos on the 17th Amendment? Or Matt Shea had a guest on his podcast - he's sponsoring splitting eastern from western Washington, but Northern CA is ahead with wanting to create the state of Jefferson - because of a Warren court decison of one man, one vote, Northern CA has one representative for 17 counties and LA has dozens).

There was an amendment that changed congress - badly, as much as senators. Originally they represented a fixed, small number of people. We might need a stadium to contain them now, but they would represent people and be accessible. Now, instead, they are representing a huge number which cannot hold them to account and the districts are easy to gerrymander.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 22, 2016 4:02 PM  

Ciaran wrote:That's a lesson for our time, and Vox is just pissing in the wind about the Irish. The ancient Turks became the Irish, and the Irish became the Americans. You let enough invaders in, that's what happens.

No, they didn't. The Turks were living in what is now Mongolia 6000 years ago. What is now Turkey was then an amalgamation of several different tribes, including Celtic ones, like the Galatians, (compare to Gauls, Gaels) some of which still exist. And what do you think I meant by the Celtic invasion?

The Celtic tribes swept across Europe from the Black Sea region, conquering the indigenous tribes leaving the Greeks, the Etruscans and the Basques standing by the time written history became a thing. Many were themselves later conquered by the Teutons, the Alans, the Greeks, the Romans, the Huns, the Finns, the Slavs, the Golden Horde, the Varangians, the Lombards, and the Goths, and on and on and on.

All of which the Irish were spared. Granted the Vikings did raid in the NE. But the found little to steal, as wealth was measured in land and cattle and both are hard to transport on a longship across the North Atlantic. So a few settled long enough to found Dublin, the first Irish city, and disappear into the Irish population. Yes, the Viking (of all people) brought some forms of civilization to the Irish.

Also, beware of prehistories that posit a displacement of pre-agricultural societies by agricultural ones. Agriculture coves a lot of activity that doesn't show up in the standard historical model. As an example, livestock farming and vegetable gardening were almost certainly practiced throughout Europe in the early Neolithic if not earlier. Essentially by "agriculture" what they mean is the organizing of society around grain framing.

Learn some prehistory, mate.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 22, 2016 4:17 PM  

Thank you. I was born & raised in the South & without doing an ancestry search, my genealogy would've remained a mystery. My family, (& community), never spoke of how they got to America or even from where. After many hours of searching, I discovered that many of my people were brought to the new world as slaves, that they've fought in every war in the country since Rev War, and that I had a "renowned" rabbi as a great, great, whatever, on my father's side. (No one in my family will accept that, by the way). Hahaha. We've always just took it as fact, that we were plain ol' Americans & there's no connection for us to the "Big Government," "Speech Regs," "Gun Control," mentality of the Tammany Hall/Kennedy type of Irish. They are as foreign to us as a Martian would be.

Anonymous BGKB August 22, 2016 4:29 PM  

Here is a short article on something I had not really considered. The "migrants" here, and in Europe, are weaponized disease vectors

Did you miss all my rants on Ebola, entrovirus 68(worse than ZIKA, ignored because it kills white kids), Chagas, Chikungunya, dengue, & drug resistant TB(takes 18+ months and averages ~$500,000 in medication to treat per patient), or that drug resistant AIDS came into the US this past year thanks to the HIV travel ban being lifted by Bath House Barry Obama? All of those diseases entered during the Obama years. I had a shirt made during the Ebola time with all those(sans zika) listed on it.

We have enough AIDS patients consuming $2k-5k a month of AIDS medicine, we don't need more welfare refusegees with AIDS. In the UK citizens are having trouble getting AIDS care because so many 3rd worlders are leeching it up. Third worlders can just camp in the clinics all day hoping for an opening but citizens schedule appointments. Keep in mind that was the costs before a ((())) bought up rights to a pill and raised the price from $13 a pill to $700, its one of those questions like "can you tell me about the demographics of the junky nurse program" you don't want to ask too often, with high incentives to lie.

Blogger Matt August 22, 2016 4:33 PM  

Sorry, America was always a nation of immigrants for the simple reason that EVERY white person who came to the new world emigrated here. The idea that they then 'owned' the rights to it is laughable. America is waaaay more than just white conservatives. Thank God.

Blogger beerme August 22, 2016 4:34 PM  

@187 If you want to see them at their most thin skinned, look no further than the response to their gritty hero Tom Brady's upcoming suspension.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 22, 2016 4:39 PM  

As opposed to the English in England voting for small government and gun rights, you mean? Sorry chum, I don't see much difference between the Irish and the English in their home countries.

@165 Ciaran
Good point.

It may be because England has a lot more secular humanists and atheists than Ireland or the U.S. does. People who don't believe in God tend to believe in letting the state play-act at being God.

Consider the Scots. Most don't believe in God any more, and they tend to be hard-left. Scotland would be as muzzie-infested as Norway or Sweden were it not part of the UK and had its own immigration policy. Their descendants in the States, the Scotch-Irish, are usually hardcore Baptists or Methodists and can't stand gun control or big government.

Anonymous Joe Blowe August 22, 2016 4:53 PM  

praetorian wrote:I'm reading a book right now, Homo Americanus: Child of the Postmodern Age that argues that America (as defined by puritan/yankeedom, it is frustrating to me that the author, a European, doesn't make a distinction between the yankees and the southerners) was founded on jewish (i.e. Old Testament) ideals.

Beware. The ancient Hebrews followed the Old Testament. Once they began to follow their Babylonian Talmud they ceased being Hebrews and became what we now call "Jews". This was the crux of the conflict between Christ and his killers, the Pharisees.

"Henceforth Jewish life was regulated by the teachings of the Pharisees; the whole history of Judaism was reconstructed from the Pharisaic point of view" - The Jewish Encyclopedia

American has indeed become thoroughly Judaized. One import way is the fact that we are, for all intents and purposes, ruled over by the Courts (one example: California prop 187), very much how the Pharisees ruled through their Rabbinical Courts. Under our original Constitution and the original State Constitutions, all created by Christian Men, the Legislatures, the direct representatives of the people, have plenary power.

Blogger Salt August 22, 2016 5:20 PM  

Matt wrote:Sorry, America was always a nation of immigrants for the simple reason that EVERY white person who came to the new world emigrated here.

The short bus answer.

Blogger SciVo August 22, 2016 5:22 PM  

@ Leo: Like, "Hay guyz, I'm a Redsox-Yankees fan."

I'm a Cowboys-Seahawks fan.

No homo.

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