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Friday, August 12, 2016

An NCO leaves the US Army

And none too soon, by the looks of things:
I leave the Army for good in September of this year.  My chain of command has been shell shocked that I am going through with it.  Two years ago when I first came to grips with what was happening and resolved to no longer be a part of it, there was derision and even an officer telling me that voicing my opinions about the state of the US economy and its moral failings could be considered a violation of the UCMJ for conduct “prejudicial to good order and discipline.”

When I gave my Operations NCO a copy of the book “A Distant Mirror” by Barbara Tuchman he came to me a month later stating that if there is a civil war, he and his fellow Hispanics will “have to choose sides.”

When I told my first sergeant why I would not be re-enlisting, she said “Don’t you want to re-enlist to get your 20?”

I said that I wanted to re-enlist, but I couldn’t, that my pension was nothing compared to being prepared to sacrifice my life. Then she and I went on to discuss my (your) ideas on why there was a possible collapse of the US government in the future, she went from denying the possibility to stating “Well, it all depends on what level of collapse you’re talking about,”  needless to say I was stunned.

The re-enlistment NCO refuses to talk to me, and several other mid to senior level NCOs who previously thought I was kidding have left the Active reserves for the Individual Ready Reserves.

One stated that he too was disgusted with both candidates for president and then asked me if I thought things would be so bad, why wouldn’t I stay in and try to fix things “from the inside”?  I cited the example of the Yugoslav army and how there were fire fights within units and stated that I would refuse to follow unconstitutional orders.  I then asked, “Don’t you think if one of the two candidates gets in power that either might order the power of the state to be used against their political enemies?  That’s what would be likely to START those kinds of firefights, right?”
If you're not familiar with military culture, NCOs are the mortar that hold the whole thing together. Young officers are eminently replaceable, as new ones can be trained up in a matter of months, but the veteran NCOs that provide them guidance are not.

The fact that the NCOs are leaving is an even more damning indictment of the current US military than women being permitted to serve in combat units or homosexuals and transvestites being allowed to serve at all.

I don't find this chilling, though. I find it a somewhat positive sign. Because I suspect the American people are at least as likely to be designated the enemy by the US government one day as the Russian or Chinese militaries. And the prospects for We the People's will be considerably better if most of those veteran NCOs are on the side of the nation, rather than serving the government against them.

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Blogger SemiSpook37 August 12, 2016 1:08 PM  

There's a saying among most NCOs I've come to know: you're either an NCO, a SFC/MSgt/CPO/GySgt, or an E-7. Started out in a Joint shop with 2 Army/Navy/AF and a single Gunny, and all of those guys were sharp. I'd venture a guess that if they were at the 20 year mark now, most of them would be joining this NCO.

There was an HR guy that was a former enlisted airman who made it to that NCO level. They all agreed that he would be considered an E-7.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 1:10 PM  

The question remains:
Will the USA dissolve without a scorched-Earth campaign from the central government (a la the USSR)? Or will the Continuity of Government system take the Vietnam Option (destroy the country entirely to "save" it?)

I'm still hoping for the former; if consent utterly melts away, who will man the battlements on behalf of our current oligarchs? Or will there be enough soldiers of fortune to operate, repair and re-arm the drones?

Anonymous ZhukovG August 12, 2016 1:13 PM  

This is a good sign, we need the US military as incompetent as possible. Since it may soon be used against US citizens.

Also the Army of the Republic of Texas and the Confederate States Army will need experienced NCOs.

Blogger Happy Housewife August 12, 2016 1:14 PM  

My brother just left the marines pretty much for the same reasons. He was treated the same way, if not worse. Said that when word got out he was leaving, he was treated with hostility and anger. Glad he got out before it gets worse.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 12, 2016 1:14 PM  

She Said?!

Again with the women, why did he have to talk with the woman! Women don't belong in the military and its a fantastic sign of more genx and the young'uns withdrawing their consent with that which violates their conscience and placing (losing $) their art, heart and wallets on the line.

If this man believes in God the Lord will replace any lost funds. God will help these men suffering under terrible directives and/or policies.

OpenID randkoch August 12, 2016 1:16 PM  

I was sympathetic until I got to this part: "and stated that I would refuse to follow unconstitutional orders."

Trump is often accused of a willingness to go beyond the law because of his words on rough interrogation, particularly waterboarding, and his natural certainty that the troops would follow his orders.

But the criticism of him was B.S. Trump simply didn't realize at the time (and neither did a couple other GOP candidates, apparently) that Congress and POTUS passed a law against any odd interrogation methods just last year. Upon finding out, Trump then clarified that he wouldn't issue unlawful orders. This NCO simply fell for the B.S.

Blogger Jack Ward August 12, 2016 1:19 PM  

Not to worry. Obama and crowd and all the other suspects, high and low, have stockpiled unbelievable amounts of storage food, ammunition and probably weapons. Obama, in particular, has let millions of illegals into the country and many are jihadis, that will be the bulk of tptb's army. It may well come to real citizen soldiers against them. Not a nice future to look into.

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 1:24 PM  

I've been saying this for years here and elsewhere. The US is not even remotely a match for the armed american public.

It isn't even close.

in fact.. the whole point of military coups are the military's way of putting out a regime to keep from having to put down a rebellion that may be to much for them.

Blogger Lazarus August 12, 2016 1:25 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:This is a good sign, we need the US military as incompetent as possible. Since it may soon be used against US citizens.

Fred thinks it is rapidly achieving this incompetence: Hillary, Trump, and War with Russia: The Goddamdest Stupid Idea I Have Ever Heard, and I Have Lived in Washington

The US has not faced a real enemy in a long time. In that time the armed forces have been feminized and social-justice warriorified, with countless officials having been appointed by Obama for reasons of race and sex. Training has been watered down to benefit girl soldiers, physical standards lowered, and the ranks of general officers filled with perfumed political princes.

Blogger Unknown August 12, 2016 1:28 PM  

There is a real deterioration of the enlisted ranks. I saw it first hand.
IMO, it really started at the post Cold War draw down, when the services cut themselves in half literally overnight. All that hard won experience and institutional knowledge standing off the Russian Bear just discarded like so much fluff.
I retired from the Navy in 2014, and for the last 2 years or so I was just looking at the calender, counting down the days. For the last ten years of my career, I realized that mission oriented people do not get advanced into the nigher ranks, now, only the suck ups do, Now that these suck ups are reaching the senior enlisted ranks, they are selecting for their own kind.

Blogger Krul August 12, 2016 1:28 PM  

Good luck to the guy. Leaving the military to start a new career can be really damn hard. Believe me, I know.

Hard but worthwhile. I chose conscience when I left the USAF, and I don't regret that decision. Hopefully neither will this grunt.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 12, 2016 1:29 PM  

@2 Much depends on exactly the events which precipitate the collapse.

At worst Hillary decides to give the world a giant FU and launches all our nukes. Putin returns the favor.

At best a Trump finds himself fighting against secessionists in Southern California and the strain causes a gradual break up over a period of months to years.

Blogger Wrangler August 12, 2016 1:32 PM  

Army retired and work for the army still in a position of trust. There is no mass exodus of NCOs, or officers for that matter. Peace time military is too good of a gig for people to leave unless they have some really good options.

The high level GOs are the worst I've seen in my 30 years. Anyone opposed to progressive agenda has been put out or silenced under 7.5 years of this administration. Enlisted and non-GO officers are pretty much the same as always, just can't say what they believe due to PC culture ending careers in a minute.

Lots of non-fighters in the military, but it has always been that way. Maybe 15% of the force is all the fighters you have. Military demise is still a few years out.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 12, 2016 1:36 PM  

There is nothing chilling about what this NCO did. One of the happiest days of my life was when my son left the service. A largely unreported story is the ongoing attrition. The Army has started to call up IRR in limited numbers, and stop-gap is on the horizon. All I can say is...good luck on having people who left in disgust return. It was easy to do when that constituted just a few. The Banana Empire may try to conscript in its final days, and good luck with that, too.

Anonymous JN August 12, 2016 1:37 PM  

@8 in fact... links? books? pamphlets? I would like to know more.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 1:37 PM  

Yeah, but we want those NCOs in the military, in physical command of or with access to hard military assets.

But overall, I agree with your sentiment.

Anonymous Amarnoth August 12, 2016 1:39 PM  

Problematic... does not begin to describe the conundrum faced by Hillary and the Globalists.

1. Globalists are decidedly anti-White. The military is largely White. And more so the higher the rank, and the more complex the task.

2. The military is not just White, but filled with perhaps the most patriotic, Constitutionally Conservative Whites in existence.

Yuri Bezmenov (Soviet KGB defector from the 80's) once stated that it will be comrades Jamal and Hernandez to knock at your door late at night. NCO's like the one quoted above are the reason why.

Blacks and Hispanics rely on welfare, and thus benefit from a large government that farms Whites for tax collection. Whites pay the welfare; They do not benefit from a large government.

For this reason alone Blacks and Hispanics inside the US today are more analogous to Barbarians paid to bolster Roman legions, than to genuine members of society. ...Try being Black/Hispanic and getting elected on a pledge to reduce welfare. If that's you, you're own people hate you. Good luck. You're brown. Economics and the state have chosen your tribe for you.

Last point: The average IQ required to operate modern combat machinery is around 106. When Globalism turns to Civil War in the U.S., comrades Jamal and Hernandez may be a bit outgunned.


I can't recall, but in late 2015 there were several conflicting comments coming from the military and the White House spokesman.

I don't know if that has honestly happened in the US since the Civil War.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 1:40 PM  

And at the same time, Ryan and the RINOs along with Democrat Left are now enlisting immigrants and illegals to fill the ranks of the US military.

I think most people hear know that it was immigrants who filled the ranks of the Union Army which waged war on what the Federal Govt considered to be citizens, once before in our history.

Blogger The Remnant August 12, 2016 1:40 PM  

Government is to be the servant of the nation, but now government sees itself as the master. Worse still, government hopes to pulverize the nation and meld it into a worldwide polity over which the elites can exercise unrivaled control. These stresses and strains will produce the mother of all earthquakes.

Blogger Hazim August 12, 2016 1:43 PM  

The train is fine, randkoch

Anonymous appropriated libations August 12, 2016 1:43 PM  

@12 "At best a Trump finds himself fighting against secessionists in Southern California and the strain causes a gradual break up over a period of months to years."

Are you kidding me? Most of us would be absofrackinglutely delighted to get rid of southern California. They can be 'free' of us, and we'll throw in an extra 30 million diversity so their new country can be really really strong. Diversity is a strength, and we have to share.

Blogger JohnG August 12, 2016 1:43 PM  

It would be more positive if there were senior officers leaving (getting thrown out is different)... they'll be the ones directing the troops to crack down when/if that comes.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 1:44 PM  

This is worth a listen for those who have never read or heard Trevor Loudon speak before...and tangentially relevant to the OP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDwtCSfuJI&ab_channel=TheNewAmericanVideo(formerlyLibertyNewsNetwork)

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2016 1:45 PM  

Friend of mine told his son, on the occasion of the latter leaving Fairbanks to make a career.
"Any time you choose something better, you leave behind something good. There's always going to be regret. Except when I left the Air Force."

Anonymous andon August 12, 2016 1:46 PM  

13. Blogger Wrangler August 12, 2016 1:32 PM

Anyone opposed to progressive agenda has been put out or silenced under 7.5 years of this administration.


that was my guess - blame goes to current occupant

people that have pride move on, the whores remain

Anonymous Amarnoth August 12, 2016 1:47 PM  

Problematic... does not begin to describe the conundrum faced by Hillary and the Globalists.

1. Globalists are decidedly anti-White. The military is largely White. And more so the higher the rank, and the more complex the task.

2. The military is not just White, but filled with perhaps the most patriotic, Constitutionally Conservative Whites in existence.

Yuri Bezmenov (Soviet KGB defector from the 80's) once stated that it will be comrades Jamal and Hernandez to knock at your door late at night. NCO's like the one quoted above are the reason why.

Blacks and Hispanics rely on welfare, and thus benefit from a large government that farms Whites for tax collection. Whites pay the welfare; They do not benefit from a large government.

For this reason alone Blacks and Hispanics inside the US today are more analogous to Barbarians paid to bolster Roman legions, than to genuine members of society. ...Try being Black/Hispanic and getting elected on a pledge to reduce welfare. If that's you, you're own people hate you. Good luck. You're brown. Economics and the state have chosen your tribe for you.

Last point: The average IQ required to operate modern combat machinery is around 106. When Globalism turns to Civil War in the U.S., comrades Jamal and Hernandez may be a bit outgunned.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 1:48 PM  

@20.

Many senior officiers have already been purged by Obama and Affirmative Action Diversity Promotion is replacing the retirees with Trans-Lesbianic-Homos and various minority haters of European Christendom beholden to the Neo-Marxist State for their power and prestigue.

Anonymous Be Not Afraid August 12, 2016 2:13 PM  

I'm starting to believe the military is really, truly going to converge to the all-women fighter wing from "Victoria"... and as been said, since the military may be used against *us*, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Blogger pyrrhus August 12, 2016 2:13 PM  

Later on in the letter...
Officer: “SFC, you are hereby ordered to take your platoon and do evil unconstitutional thing X.”

Me: “No.”

Officer: “SSG, Arrest SFC !”

Me: (Click) “Don’t move sir.”

SSG: “Uh-oh….”
The other NCO just kinda smiled grimly and nodded. His friend, a warrant officer whom I have known since 2009 then blurted “Well, that won’t happen anyway, the US government can’t collapse, too many people depend on it!”

We both stared at him and he looked embarrassed almost immediately. He is not a stupid man, but it shows the mindset most are locked into, no matter how illogical it is.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker August 12, 2016 2:15 PM  

Best not to tempt fate like the NCO in this case. If you are a "short-timer" in the Army and you do not want to re-up for similar reasons, best to keep said reasons to yourself. Article 134 of the UCMJ is a Royal Bitch, a catch-all that officers can and do use to punish anyone they do not like at any time and for any reason.

Anonymous wheels August 12, 2016 2:21 PM  

When I was in the Navy in the 1970s, I saw CPOs with 18 years of service getting out because of Carter and what he was doing to the military. When Obama was elected, I said that I expected to see the same thing happen.

In one sense, it's nice to be validated, but ...

Blogger CarpeOro August 12, 2016 2:26 PM  

@20 and 25

The exodus of the competent GO started back under Slick Willy. They were threatened to keep it from looking like a mass exodus (large group all at one time). I've been dubious of GO level types ever since for the USA. Guilt by association with the commander-in-chief. Sure, there are some that are solid but every passing day of the last 24 years has seen that slide away.

Blogger Dale Day August 12, 2016 2:28 PM  

It was the same way during the Carter years - thank God we had Reagan.

Then we had Clinton - followed by Bush.

Obama will NOT be followed by Clinton. I have faith the American voters are smarter now.

So, just hang in there. Believe me, it's worth another four to reach that 20.

A retired US Army Master Sergeant

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist August 12, 2016 2:32 PM  

Do any vets here believe that our military would launch first-strike nukes on Hillary's order against any enemy, Russia and China included, that hadn't sent an invasion fleet steaming towards our shores?

Blogger Krul August 12, 2016 2:35 PM  

OT: "It's not funny!"

Anonymous 11B August 12, 2016 2:42 PM  

One good thing about a Trump victory is that much of what has been done to the military can be undone by executive action. Maybe a legal scholar could correct me, but I believe the new commander in chief could reverse, for example, the policy of putting women into infantry units. I believe there are a lot of items like this that could be undone without congressional input, given they were put in without congressional input.

Anonymous Sam the Man August 12, 2016 2:48 PM  

A former reservist with no elite qualifications , far from it, the absolute opposite (42A20 in an RTI), but a few things I have noticed, at least prior to the open gay/trans thing about regular line infantry/ combat engineers/ MP units trained for overseas deployments:

1) The combat arms of whatever service are pretty hard guys, regardless of color of skin. Not pussies.

2) They are very close with each other in their unit, that is an attack on one of them would unite them. They might be hesitant to shoot on Americans first, until one of their own is harmed, then all bets are off. Very tribal.

3) The combat arms are trained to work at night in a manner no civilian force can possibly compete with. PEQs, PAS-7 through whatever they have now, etc. You are blind compared to them, and there is not one, but an entire fire-team/squad/platoon equipped that way (with more behind it).

4) They are very fit, I would guess only 5% of the American males are close to just the run of the mill combat arms guy under 30, with regards to endurance and ability to just go at it, day after day.

5) They are very quick in combat drills. If you fired on a squad you would see how quick they are, how rapidly they react and unless you had a really good covered path out, they would first fix you and then destroy you. Remember the Dallas shooter, he was from an engineering unit. Now take that with a lot of coordination and youthful reaction time.

6) Because the Army has been fighting insurgents over the past 15 years, there is a lot of institutional knowledge on how to do that, from IED avoidance, to spotting ambush signs, etc. A bunch of local chaps whose basic knowledge of old Vietnam era training manuals through 1990s material are going to be outclassed tactically (intellectually) at very step of the way.

7) They use a lot of intelligence on any patrol/interaction. Like drones, signal intelligence etc. The communications are encrypted, no old PRC77 radios are being used. In fact the tactical intelligence units are very good, they have all sorts of methods to ferret out any sort of organization attempting to hide in the sea of the populace. That includes trailing folks leaving an engagement, who think they got away.

Of course the above is dated, but one of the strengths of the Army is with training and SOPs, a lot of institutional knowledge is passed down, individuals do not matter(somewhat)

Of course there will be the reserve unit made up of a vehicle repair organization who are not up to snuff. but once the Army decides to focus on your local...well I for one would not hang around to see what happens if I could avoid it. Finesse is not one of the stronger points

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 2:53 PM  

If he is close to 20 he is losing a lot of money, if the nigapocalypse doesn't happen, but I think as long as he has 17 he can get partial

if consent utterly melts away, who will man the battlements on behalf of our current oligarchs?

The Queen Berets
Fighting soldiers on heels high Fearless men’s hair purple dye Men who are mean as they sashay
The brave femen of the Queen Beret

Silver balloons as fake breast These are men, America’s left behest One hundred men we'll HIV test today But only thirty three win the Queen Beret

Trained to live, off welfare's land Trained in combat, purse to hand Men who dance by night and day Bathroom Creep, from the Queen Beret

One good thing about a Trump victory is that much of what has been done to the military can be undone by executive action

Kratman said he wouldn't take over for the faggot secretary of the Army because it would take more than 8 years to fix it.

OT: "It's not funny!" Why did the Moslem PULSE shooter's daddy appear behind HilLIARy, and gave a speech supporting her? "He has mental problems" just like everyone else that supports her.

Blogger bob k. mando August 12, 2016 3:00 PM  

VD
Because I suspect the American people are at least as likely to be designated the enemy by the US government one day as the Russian or Chinese militaries.



as SecState, Hillary authorized the sale of continental US uranium mining assets to 100% Rosatom controlled Canadian company, Uranium One.

what is Rosatam? the Russian state atomic energy non-profit.

so Hillary sold US uranium assets directly to Putin.

and i'm supposed to believe Hillary considers Putin an enemy?


compare and contrast the crimes and punishments of:
Ethel Rosenberg v. Hillary Clinton


the only explanation i can see for the refusal to punish Hillary is ... racism?

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 3:04 PM  

35. Sam those elite are white men, niggerettes tweet about how they ran away from having to salute the flag.

The combat arms are trained to work at night in a manner no civilian force can possibly compete with

Night land nav when I got the EFMB, it started to drizzle all the girls headed back, but men completed & passed the course. Girls got upset when the men who failed were told they could take it again with the girls. Without whitey giving 100% anyone who can afford a $2k night vision scope is on equal ground, especially if they have heard of clatrops.

) They are very fit, I would guess only 5% of the American males are close to just the run of the mill combat

Niggers with thick necks can be as fat as they want & stay with the military comparing neck to waist size for BMI. When I was in military nurses got fake PT tests come promotion time and Hispanic RNs thought they reduced their 2 mile run time by over 16 min with no effort.

Anonymous 6184 August 12, 2016 3:04 PM  

And all that being true Sam, yet with all these advantages we still somehow couldn't put down a bunch of third-world bacha-bazi boy humpers...in general, people here are much more skilled, better armed, and smarter than the Turd workers we have yet to beat.

5% of the US male population is still 2 to 3 times larger than the entire military, and many times more than the total number of combat arms troops. Unlike the sandbox, this will be going on in everybody's backyard with no true safe spaces for dependents and families.

Nobody's claiming that this will be easy, quite the contrary, if a Civil War 2.0 is in the offing, there will be epic bloodshed here. The .gov will use ROE that will be super-liberal on our own soil, and would probably resort to a nuke or two if things got bad enough.

No sane man wishes for this, but the portents are ominous.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 August 12, 2016 3:05 PM  

Are we to understand that SJW disgruntled trained military officers are now entering into the arena where "a well regulated militia" is recognized as essential?
Hmmmm......
CaptDMO

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 12, 2016 3:08 PM  

The real killer for the mid-level career force is retirement. It used to be a straight forward 50 percent final pay. That's a house payment and that was reason enough for an enlisted man to stick around.

Now when all is said and done and the financial legerdemain has been performed for your amusement, the total is between 40% to 35% depending. That is a car payment. Yes, it's a nice car payment but it's a car payment.

And it's not worth sticking around.

Blogger Phelps August 12, 2016 3:14 PM  

6) Because the Army has been fighting insurgents over the past 15 years, there is a lot of institutional knowledge on how to do that, from IED avoidance, to spotting ambush signs, etc. A bunch of local chaps whose basic knowledge of old Vietnam era training manuals through 1990s material are going to be outclassed tactically (intellectually) at very step of the way.

That goes both ways -- remember that this isn't the only NCO "retiring" in the past couple of years. There have been a lot of these -- enough that the author can remain nameless in the noise.

Anonymous Trevor163 August 12, 2016 3:16 PM  

It's a good thing that the NCO is slinking out. He is a wild conspiracy theorist that has zero grasp on Americam political culture.

His exit is fine with me. Good riddance.

Blogger Phelps August 12, 2016 3:17 PM  

7) They use a lot of intelligence on any patrol/interaction. Like drones, signal intelligence etc. The communications are encrypted, no old PRC77 radios are being used. In fact the tactical intelligence units are very good, they have all sorts of methods to ferret out any sort of organization attempting to hide in the sea of the populace. That includes trailing folks leaving an engagement, who think they got away.

Don't believe the hype. 90%+ of the electronic traffic is unencrypted because of interoperability problems. Add in that they will have to work with the local cops (just to avoid friendly fire -- remember that the "insurgents" will likely be wearing identical uniforms) and there is no way that anything but the smallest, most elite units will be using encryption. It's just too much of a logistical nightmare.

Even the drones are sending unencrypted video 99% of the time, because when a unit on the ground needs to see it, they don't have time to work out the settings on the gear (if they even have it.)

Blogger Jim Carroll August 12, 2016 3:18 PM  

I find it a somewhat positive sign. Because I suspect the American people are at least as likely to be designated the enemy by the US government one day

Doesn't this make it more terrifying? Aren't these down to earth, grounded, experienced officers being replaced with PC "yes" men - the like of which will follow orders unquestioningly?

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 12, 2016 3:20 PM  

Jack Ward wrote:Obama, in particular, has let millions of illegals into the country and many are jihadis, that will be the bulk of tptb's army.
Their skin is their uniform.  They are few enough that they will either have to stick to defensive operations or lose their wives, families and everything else.

It may well come to real citizen soldiers against them. Not a nice future to look into.
I am way too old and out of shape for infantry work, but I can turn wrenches, diagnose and fix electrical stuff, and other things that the other side will either do with great difficulty or not at all.  I have encountered affirmative-action hires in my field.  They go from mediocre to incompetent.

They cannot win if we have the will to win.  All we have to do is give the enemy a route out of the country and they'll take it.

EscapeVelocity wrote:most people hear know that it was immigrants who filled the ranks of the Union Army which waged war on what the Federal Govt considered to be citizens, once before in our history.
And demonized Northerners who opposed the war as Copperheads.  Yes, it's obviously not the first time the elite has elected itself a new people.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 12, 2016 3:22 PM  

And all that being true Sam, yet with all these advantages we still somehow couldn't put down a bunch of third-world bacha-bazi boy humpers...in general, people here are much more skilled, better armed, and smarter than the Turd workers we have yet to beat.

I guess the counter-argument, mentioned above, is that The Beast would not use nicety-nice ROE on our own soil. Still, I agree today's military would lose a ground war against American citizens, and like the Russians, most whites in the service would not fire on their own people. Again, there is movement official and natural underway to lower the white percentages of the various service branches, but this also results in a lower service IQ and an even more incompetent military that what we have.

Blogger Doom August 12, 2016 3:24 PM  

I would have preferred he be getting out for the social ills. Trump probably is nothing to worry about, but he is young. On the good side, everything you suggested as other, in my mind better, reasons to get out will significantly weaken US forces. Now, there are advantages to it. And there are disadvantages. As a foreigner, which is how I see you currently, that could go either way. However, given that NATO is what Europe has for defense, and you are European?

If Russia and China decide Europe is delicious, I just hope we (the US) is no longer in NATO. Just wait to see who will win, let them take each other apart, and either wash our hands or go in if they hold enough, and repeat WWII. That was a huge boon for us. However, that is not in your best interest. Nor is your best interest in my best interest. At this point, you are all Israeli. Then again, you seem to be a mighty big fan of Putin. Perhaps you could convince Europeans to surrender and just take the wisdom of Putin right into your home and to all yourall bosoms.

Not being angry, just saying. Unless I missed something, that is that.

Blogger Noah B August 12, 2016 3:31 PM  

@34

I don't see why many of the recent policy changes affecting the military couldn't be reversed. Woodrow Wilson re-segregated the military, IIRC in response to atrocities committed by blacks in the Philippines.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 12, 2016 3:39 PM  

" 43. Anonymous Trevor163 August 12, 2016 3:16 PM
It's a good thing that the NCO is slinking out. He is a wild conspiracy theorist that has zero grasp on Americam political culture.

His exit is fine with me. Good riddance."


When earnest commentary sounds like something from The Onion you're not doing a very good job masking your agenda or your ineptitude. We pity your failure.

Anonymous SGOTI August 12, 2016 3:40 PM  

Two things to remember:
- One of the things MG Scales, former Army War College commandant, bemoaned during OIF was we had more front-line fighter aircraft than infantry squads in the entire USA and USMC *combined*. We've been light and weak in infantry- the very forces needed for un-Constitutional domestic ops- for a very long time.
- No matter how quickly they can "find, fix, and destroy" patriotic, domestic opposition with all their gee whiz toys and tactical skills, we could just as quickly do that to their *undefended families* just by ambling next door with ill-intent and a firearm. Hence never giving up even a sliver of 2A rights is so critical a goal.

Blogger Ceerilan August 12, 2016 3:48 PM  

After reading the Barnhardt article, I'd feel safer having such NCO's IN the army rather than quitting. The reason is that such men would be both inclined and able to resist illegal orders from officers. In the event the army is used against the American people, both the people and the republic would benefit from NCO's refusing to carry out illegal orders and advising their young officers to do likewise.

Blogger Unknown August 12, 2016 3:50 PM  

@35
There are three time as many "well trained" people on the outside as there are inside, and all the tech in the world does you no good if you get sniped in your home base while walking from your car to your shop while going to work in the morning.
In any war against the civilian population, it would be maybe a third of the current active duty population vs nearly everyone who served from about 1972 on, in a location where there is no safe FOB to operate from.
I like those odds.
To add another little tidbit to this disparity of forces, consider this: How many people get elk/deer tags every year?
Millions. I rest my case.

Anonymous FitzRobert August 12, 2016 3:53 PM  

@35

As a former Marine infantryman, in can attest to the fact that this is unmitigated horseshit.

Anonymous Philipp August 12, 2016 3:53 PM  

When Yugoslavia fell apart, the Yugoslavian armed forces fell apart too. The Serbs, Croats, Slowenes ect. all joined their new states' militaries.

If and when the U.S. falls apart and another civil war starts, which will be multi-sided just like the one in Syria, then soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen of the U.S. armed forces will join their respective side.

That is after all exactly what happened in 1861.

Secondly, the wars in former Yugoslavia are very telling: in homogenous Slovenia the war lasted 10 days because in the end nobody except the Slovenes was willing to fight and die for it.

In diverse Bosnia the war lasted three years.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2016 3:59 PM  

Undocumented Pharmacist wrote:Do any vets here believe that our military would launch first-strike nukes on Hillary's order against any enemy, Russia and China included, that hadn't sent an invasion fleet steaming towards our shores?

I fellow I used to work with had been a fire control officer on a missile sub during the 1st gulf war. As an aside, that means he was tested and verified as one of the most psychologically and emotionally stable people on the planet. When they entered the Gulf, he told his captain "It's my duty to tell you sir, that in the event I am ordered to fire a missile on an Iraqi target, I will refuse to do so."
He spent the final three years of his enlistment as an E7 garbage man.
Point is, they found someone who would fire.

Blogger Mike Wallens August 12, 2016 4:01 PM  

To those people that are assured of the invincibility of the USM, you probably never served. Some time in a combat arms MOS would cure you of that notion.

Don't forget that "surge" in Iraq was only successful (temporarily) because we paid off the Sunnis to quit fighting us. Also,our counter-insurgency efforts have been sooo successful in Afghanistan. Those Taliban "cowards" are almost defeated. Any day now.

Some of the problem with the USM is their gear. Most of it is good in a clean, dry environment but most of that gear breaks down in field conditions. I found that to be the case 25 years ago with the TOW 2. Other comm gear had the same problems and of course the individual weapons such as the M-16 had numerous reliability problems.

The soldiers or Marines themselves would be inadequate in a domestic civil war. They are simply not trained or equipped to fight in that environment and there are not enough Special Forces to pacify a town the size Omaha if it came down to it.

I was in and out of the military in the 80s, 90s, and 00s. I was an infantry Marine (0341 active and 0352 reserves) and later in an engineering role in the USN, (women were in my units -UGGH) Despite our statements regarding "muh greatest military in the world", that would be meaningless in a civil contact. It would collapse rather quickly in the face of determined resistance.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2016 4:02 PM  

@35 is absolute garbage, seconded.

Wives, kids, parents, brothers, sisters, are you going to move them ALL into a fortified green zone? And when you do, how will keep the Americans out?

Blogger residentMoron August 12, 2016 4:03 PM  

Indeed the people of the US have been under sustained attack from the federal government for many decades. It's possible this was once incidental, a side effect of an uncaring self interest. But now it is a deliberate plan with a definite objective, a long train of usurpations evincing invariably a definite plan to reduce them under a permanent absolute despotism.

Dubya wasn't lying; they hate you for your freedoms. He *was* lying about who "they" are. But it's not hard to figure out: the people who hate your freedoms are the people taking them from you. Not ISIS, but Congress, Judiciary, and Executive. They are in fact all three domestic enemies of the Constitution and it is the right and duty of every patriot to oppose them, even unto blood. Especially unto blood, because nothing else will stop them.

It's coming, as sure as night follows day.

I'm not saying every individual patriot should immediately go postal; without widespread dissent they will simply crush you. But there is a pattern to history, and tyrants are as bound to it as everyone else. There will be massive overreactions and therefore there will be martyrs to freedom before the cycle enters the reverse phase.

"Power concedes nothing without a struggle."

Blogger Brian S August 12, 2016 4:03 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Undocumented Pharmacist wrote:Do any vets here believe that our military would launch first-strike nukes on Hillary's order against any enemy, Russia and China included, that hadn't sent an invasion fleet steaming towards our shores?

I fellow I used to work with had been a fire control officer on a missile sub during the 1st gulf war. As an aside, that means he was tested and verified as one of the most psychologically and emotionally stable people on the planet. When they entered the Gulf, he told his captain "It's my duty to tell you sir, that in the event I am ordered to fire a missile on an Iraqi target, I will refuse to do so."

He spent the final three years of his enlistment as an E7 garbage man.

Point is, they found someone who would fire.


well, that's comforting, a game of "Fallout: Offline" anyone?

Blogger residentMoron August 12, 2016 4:06 PM  

Mike Wallens

What do you think the drone fleets are for?

Blogger SirHamster August 12, 2016 4:12 PM  

11B wrote:One good thing about a Trump victory is that much of what has been done to the military can be undone by executive action. Maybe a legal scholar could correct me, but I believe the new commander in chief could reverse, for example, the policy of putting women into infantry units. I believe there are a lot of items like this that could be undone without congressional input, given they were put in without congressional input.

But it doesn't undo a history of losing wars and betraying allies and wasting blood for less than worthy causes.

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep August 12, 2016 4:25 PM  

@19 -"Most of us would be absofrackinglutely delighted to get rid of southern California"

Wouldn't it be fantastic to see all the Hollywood gated-community diversophiles trapped behind enemy lines?

"Sorry, Ms. Lawerence, but no one is allowed in or out of the Aztlán Exclusion Zone. Step away from the border or we WILL shoot you."

Blogger Dexter August 12, 2016 4:29 PM  

I suspect the American people are at least as likely to be designated the enemy by the US government one day as the Russian or Chinese militaries.

You don't need an especially competent military with experienced NCOs in order to brutalize the civilian population. (See: 1930s USSR, 1970s Cambodia, 1970s-80s Iraq, every genocide in Africa, etc.)

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep August 12, 2016 4:30 PM  

Of course, there would have to be a fight, because without Nor Cal or Colorado River water, everything south of the San Gabriels would dry up and blow away.

I, for one, will be doing my part by filling the California Aqueduct with as much dirt, rock and roadkill as I can. There's already a ton of cars abandoned in it, so we got that going for us.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 12, 2016 4:45 PM  

@16 EscapeVelocity

I think most people hear know that it was immigrants who filled the ranks of the Union Army which waged war on what the Federal Govt considered to be citizens, once before in our history.
---

Down South we know all about the War of Northern Aggression.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 12, 2016 4:51 PM  

All of that technology takes people to fix it. I was a shop chief in Okinawa and a Platoon Sergeant in Sam Diego in microwave radio shops, the mind that keep the radios running that are used to aggregate calls for fire, battlefield intelligence, emails, you name it. Women are worthless technicians. I can't recall one time a woman fixed anything. When the white men leave, all the technology stops. As the warning sign said in the shops, "take care of your generators; that's all that separate us from A Napoleon army".

Anonymous AzDesertRat August 12, 2016 4:59 PM  

The day before I left the USAF (as an E-5 w/ 6 years in) my units Chief Master Sargent told me I was making the worst mistake of my life, and that someday I would be serving him french fries. Needless to say, I would love to run into him again and compare current paychecks.
One of my brothers is a Ranger. The stories he tells me of how disgusted most of the guys in his unit are with the "Big Army" (they consider themselves almost a separate service) are pretty telling. He is seriously contemplating walking away now, after 8 years in. He has already been offered serious money by organizations looking for "security professionals". He has told me repeatedly that anyone discussing getting out is treated with open hostility by most of the senior NCO's and officers.
My other brother is a Gunny in the Marine infantry. He is sticking out to 20 only because he has less than 18 months left, but he has a lot of the same complaints about the morale, and the "leadership" that is in control now.
I think the more militant SJW's forget that the guys on the pointy end of the spear are overwhelmingly white, hetero, and working class/rural... the same group of people that are being vilified as the root of all evil on the planet. Yet, these same SJW's think that they are all going to hop to when the orders come down to disarm ma' and pa' and the uncles and cousins, or worse.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 12, 2016 5:03 PM  

@64 Dexter: "You don't need an especially competent military with experienced NCOs in order to brutalize the civilian population. "

Depends on how competent, armed, and prepared the civilian population is. If they're stone age goat herders armed with rocks and sticks it's easier for the gov't and military.

Hmm... unless they are Taliban,or Filipino, or Vietnamese or...

Bunch of gun totin' Swamp people and rednecks, accented with combats vets in the woods of Alabama or Georgia/might get a bit hot'n'sticky for em', better bring a bunch o lunch.

Also they might get distracted worrying about the neighborhoods their Mothers, wives and children live in.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 12, 2016 5:13 PM  

If it happens, then someone will sneak into the DC area and pop off an EMP of some kind.

Anonymous Laz August 12, 2016 5:19 PM  

@ZhukovG: Don't worry, there's plenty of retired military around here... and class III weapons

Blogger Unknown August 12, 2016 5:23 PM  

One thing that everyone is overlooking is that a certain segment of the hard right has realized that a fight is coming, sooner or later, and that they have adopted Clinton rules of engagement.
What is Clinton rules of engagement? In short, it is the ROE that Clinton adopted again the Serbs in Kosovo: Anyone who provided support for the regime was fair game. This included the press, academics, and bureaucrats of all sorts.
Think about what that would mean. Nearly every town or city has some sort of federal government office in it. My own town has an IRS office and and several Health and Human Services offices. Clinton rules of engagement puts everyone that works in those offices on the target list.
Target these people, and the government grinds to a halt. They cannot all be protected, and the government cannot run without them for long.

Blogger Nick S August 12, 2016 5:26 PM  

I don't think there is that much to worry about with Trump. The insiders are panicked the Trump Train is going to derail the Gravy Train. That's where the rumors of Trump dread and woe are being generated and proliferated. Hillary, on the other hand, is demonstrably confirmed evil.

OpenID peppermintfrosted August 12, 2016 5:30 PM  

It is quite possible that the Dhimmicrats will win the election and the Urheimat will not survive with the CIA and the State Department breathing down their necks. If that happens the entire White population of the US is expendable with the dissolution or incapacitation of the US government necessary.

However, Russia would sooner invade the US than China, but neither are likely to, for the same reason that England and Russia didn't invade Anatolia. Mexico has already invaded the US in a sense, but is incapable of governing. No one else will either.

As a result, I would prefer to see my country with no military at all.

With all due respect to Vox Day's people, our ancestors did us a yuge favor clearing a continent for us protected by thousand of miles of ocean. When the "federal" government collapses, the cities that once were American will collapse, but American communities will be able to survive as our ancestors did.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 12, 2016 5:56 PM  

OT: Comment Numbering
I'm sure that having the comments numbered is better than not but please be aware that the comments get renumbered quite regularly. The number assigned to a specific comment is not absolute. That comment may have one number in the morning and another in the afternoon.

The numbers are static and comments are moving up and down the page depending on when a moderated comment gets added or if a comment gets totally deleted thereby allowing all comments below the just added or deleted comment to move up or down in number.

What this means is, all the folks just using the numbers to reference another comment, as time goes by your referenced comment number has a higher chance of becoming invalid.

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 6:27 PM  

In short, it is the ROE that Clinton adopted again the Serbs in Kosovo: Anyone who provided support for the regime was fair game. This included the press, academics, and bureaucrats of all sorts

Clintons first targets were news agencies and hospitals, no where near 3rd world moslem drug dealers.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 12, 2016 6:39 PM  

The Army is gearing up to accelerate the ejection of senior NCOs at "healthier" clip.

They announced today a new directive changes NCO retention rules.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2016 6:42 PM  

FreeFor needs people inside to open the armory doors. Thanks in advance.

BTW FreeFor cannot be joined it just is, see WRSA

Anonymous Daniel H August 12, 2016 8:17 PM  

@37

Sam, I grant all your points, but if the US Military ever turned on the white population of America, they will be annihilated, and there will be little quarter given. In fact, the military will turn on itself. A substantial number will immediately defect to their families, friends, neighbors, communities. Their people.

OpenID simplytimothy August 12, 2016 8:22 PM  

@74

(IIRC) Clinton's ROE included the press too.


It is hard to express how heartened I am by the thoughts expressed here; it is confirmation of what I have sensed and thought for some years now.

We will get through this. She will be America again from sea-to-shining-sea; we will retain our individual freedom and regain our civil freedoms.

Our forbears had it tougher; let's not be the people who fail them.










Anonymous Sam thre Man August 12, 2016 8:47 PM  

Gents, most of the folks who have said I was full of shit (granted I might be) did not bother to refute any of the points I made, other than the possibility (likely) that all the high tech will not work as well as planned. Fair enough I grant that point, though I suggest the small arms arms/optics are much more reliable than folks think they are.

The fact is the Army, if some sort of disturbance occurred to day would not dissolve, they would obey orders and any group of folks stupid enough to go head to head with the Army would be defeated, unless things have changed a great deal in 5 years. I doubt that but could be wrong. Soldiers are always bitching and there are always a segment of the NCOs who simply one day decide they are done, 12 years in and no once quite knows why, but they quit.

Now if the "war" is a slow seizing up of the economy and a slow loss of central power due to loss of purchasing power, well the Army will not help with any of that. I can see the country coming apart that way, but let me tell you who the army would be deployed against, and it is not a bunch of Billy-Joe-Jim-Bobs reading their 1969 insurgency handbooks. It will be the inner city folks who are dependent on the public dole and suddenly find their EBT cards do not work. If they go crazy, well will anyone object to the use of force? Yes the white dominated combat units will follow orders, at least while their families are still fed.

But if the local ex military guys decide to have a go at a combat patrol...well I would not like to be around for that, I think you will find that the combat units are pretty tight and would react accordingly.

something to ponder.

Blogger Nick S August 12, 2016 9:12 PM  

@83

The population of the United States is spread out over about 4 million square miles. Consider Texas alone. Something to ponder.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2016 9:15 PM  

83. Sam thre Man

Logistics.

Insurgencies don't go toe to toe with regular line infantry. They hit the weak points like airbases, suppy depots, truck convoys, etc.

There you have the Jessica Lynch crew on duty.

In Iraq and Afghanistan the US military had a logistical train that was largely immune from attack by the insurgents. In the United States that would not be the case. There can't be a 'Green Zone' domestically because the 'Green Zone' was supplied from outside. Everything the US military needs would be vulnerable to attack at numerous points over a huge expanse of territory.

Iraq is smaller than Texas and it took over a 100,000 troops to lose that fight. That doesn't include the logistical elements outside the country of Iraq either.

Every military base would be subject to attack as they were in Yugoslavia, with the combat troops tasked to defend vulnerable points which would spread their forces so thin that they couldn't sustain any significant force for counter-insurgency operations. They would be in the position of surrendering the security of many areas to conduct such operations.

All of this assumes they remain 100% loyal which is a dubious assumption.

Anonymous 6184 August 12, 2016 9:28 PM  

Sam, I don't deny that the tactical advantages you describe exist.

I dispute that they represent the strategic advantage you describe, particularly when they haven't been successful against the vastly inferior populations in the Sandbox.

Things here would be much, much messier. I think you are focusing on the Trees yet missing the Forest.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2016 9:39 PM  

@Sam the Moron
They don't have to deny your points to deny the argument. Most of the responses proffered were of teh "That's nice, but they could not win because of [logistics|security|generic vulnerability|inability to tell friend from foe]"

Since you refuse to address those arguments, you have abandoned reason. Instead simply re-iterated the original argument without addressing ANY of the responses, except throwing a small bone to the reliability/secure coms issue.
If you want a vision of the future of a low intensity struggle of the between the US Army and the US population, look up The Troubles.

Note who won.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 12, 2016 9:56 PM  

If the US military gets used on US citizens in a large way the federal government as a whole will find itself in indian territory with millions of indians all around them. There will be no where to hide.

Besides the overt violence, everything will go wrong. Luck doesn't just happen, it's created. Bad luck will be mass produced by millions of willing hands attached to hearts and minds full of pure malice driven by the imp of the perverse.

But the worst part for the feds is what it will do to people's attitude toward federal authority. There will be nothing the feds can do from that point on to regain that last shred of moral legitimacy.

You don't have to actively oppose the feds to win. You only have to ignore it and starve it.

Who do you serve?

Anonymous JAG August 12, 2016 10:05 PM  

In the next civil war there will be squads of fighters that will specialize in assassination of public figures and there families. Unless they leave the continent entirely there will be no safe space. This will do far more than trying to organize militias to go toe to toe with tank divisions.

Read Solzhenitsyn.

Anonymous JAG August 12, 2016 10:06 PM  

"There" should read as "their"... my apologies.

Blogger Lazarus August 12, 2016 10:30 PM  

Just one small point here. The 4GW practiced by the muzzies requires numerous people to commit suicide for ultimate effect.

You got those guys lined up??

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2016 10:46 PM  

90. Lazarus August 12, 2016 10:30 PM

The 4GW practiced by the muzzies requires numerous people to commit suicide for ultimate effect.

You got those guys lined up??

Don't need them and neither did the Viet Cong, the Algerians, the Chinese under Mao,and most every other insurgency group that beat a technically superior foe.

Suicide bombers make for sensational headlines but a standard old timed detonation does the trick just as well.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 10:49 PM  

The Troubles arent won yet.

Northern Ireland will return to Irish control, as the UK collapses into civil war with it's Muslim colonists. Scotland will leave (full devolution) and England will be fighting for it's own survival, without the means or the will to impose their imperial control of Northern Ireland on the Irish.

You can take that to the bank.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 10:51 PM  

JAG, that sounds brutally effective. The Drug Cartels (used to, scratch that, still do) target judges and politicians like that.

Blogger Lazarus August 12, 2016 11:02 PM  

Sharrukin wrote:Suicide bombers make for sensational headlines but a standard old timed detonation does the trick just as well.

One of the hallmark moments of the war in Afghanistan was related to a suicide attack on the Northern Alliance leader.
It is about sending a message, not just doing a job:


On September 9, 2001, two Arab suicide attackers, allegedly belonging to Al Qaeda, posing as journalists, detonated a bomb hidden in a video camera while interviewing Ahmed Shah Massoud in the Takhar province of Afghanistan. Commander Massoud died in a helicopter that was taking him to a hospital. He was buried in his home village of Bazarak in the Panjshir Valley.[48] The funeral, although taking place in a rather rural area, was attended by hundreds of thousands of mourning people.

The assassination of Massoud is considered to have a strong connection to the attacks in the U.S. two days later, which killed nearly 3,000 people and which appeared to be the terrorist attack that Massoud had warned against in his speech to the European Parliament several months earlier. John P. O'Neill was a counter-terrorism expert and the Assistant Director of the FBI until late 2001. He retired from the FBI and was offered the position of director of security at the World Trade Center (WTC). He took the job at the WTC two weeks before 9/11. On September 10, 2001, John O’Neill told two of his friends,

"We're due. And we're due for something big. ... Some things have happened in Afghanistan [referring to the assassination of Massoud]. I don’t like the way things are lining up in Afghanistan. ... I sense a shift, and I think things are going to happen. ... soon".[49]

O'Neill died the following day, when the south tower collapsed.[49]

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 11:05 PM  

any group of folks stupid enough to go head to head with the Army would be defeated

Bloody hell how many 4g warfare posts have there been that you couldn't understand.

bunch of Billy-Joe-Jim-Bobs reading their 1969 insurgency handbooks.

Its a good thing Castilia house has a new 4g Warfare ebook.

Blogger Lazarus August 12, 2016 11:13 PM  

Also,On 9/11 the moon was in a crescent phase, and venus was in its bite, just like Islamic flags depict.

Suicide bombers are psy-ops tactics.

Better get some.

Anonymous Sharrukin August 12, 2016 11:41 PM  

96. Lazarus

If I had someone brave enough to blow themselves, up I would put them to better use than as debris in a detonation.

It's a stupid waste of men.

Anonymous Avalanche August 12, 2016 11:57 PM  

@21 "Diversity is a strength, and we have to share."

"Diversity is a strength" and we have to SACRIFICE! Give them allllll away! A sacrifice I will willingly and whole-heartedly make!

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 13, 2016 12:03 AM  

Sharrukin wrote:If I had someone brave enough to blow themselves, up I would put them to better use than as debris in a detonation.
You've got someone whose Medicare was cut for the sake of tending to NAMs both domestic and imported, and their chronic condition is rapidly worsening.  They're mad as hell about it, and they can still drive for a little while.  Other than that, they have literally nothing to lose.

Gonna be a lot of those.

Blogger Bard August 13, 2016 12:55 AM  

18 years in the army. You guys have no idea what it is becoming. In one sense it is pathetic and in another terrifying. I FUCKING hate it.i would leave tomorrow but for the retirement. I know, don't judge me.

Blogger Bard August 13, 2016 12:56 AM  

18 years in the army. You guys have no idea what it is becoming. In one sense it is pathetic and in another terrifying. I FUCKING hate it.i would leave tomorrow but for the retirement. I know, don't judge me.

Anonymous Anonymous August 13, 2016 3:58 AM  

Bard: 12 years in the Air Force and I would say the same. I think its more pathetic than terrifying. So much I wish I could tell...

Anonymous Bullet Writer August 13, 2016 4:07 AM  

Bard: 12 years in the Air Force and I feel the same. I think its way more pathetic than terrifying though. When all of the social experimentation finally reaches it's apex, there will be alot more jets that can't fly.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 13, 2016 5:29 AM  

@Trevor163

Thanks to your consistent gainsaying of common sense on every thread here I have been convinced to change my wicked ways. I will vote Hillary and accept white genocide as just punishment for my cis-white-male-privilege.

You may spend this week's handful of Soros pennies with pride in the knowledge and self-satisfaction of a job well done! Bravo, bravo!

Anonymous Zed, Lord of the Brutals August 13, 2016 1:17 PM  

Go watch "Anthropoid." That's more in line with coming events.

Anonymous Bukulu August 13, 2016 2:10 PM  

@21,

"Are you kidding me? Most of us would be absofrackinglutely delighted to get rid of southern California. They can be 'free' of us, and we'll throw in an extra 30 million diversity so their new country can be really really strong. Diversity is a strength, and we have to share."

30 million extras... but none of the Colorado River water...


Athor Pel @ 5:56pm:

Re: comment renumbering -- this happens when a comment is deleted. It's possible, with Blogger, to delete-but-leave-a-tombstone, though that tombstone still includes the commenter's name. (Perhaps this is the reason Vox doesn't use this method when spamming people.)

One alternative is to use the timestamp as a reference instead of the comment number (as I did above).

Another is to use the permalink, though because it's based on a long unique ID, it's really only appropriate for the target of a link, not as a human-readable indicator.)

Blogger residentMoron August 13, 2016 5:45 PM  

@Bukulu

Or use the number, but use the person's name as well. My mobile browser doesn't show the numbers anyway so that's something I often do...

Anonymous BillB August 14, 2016 12:24 PM  

Test comment. Please excuse.

Blogger Daniel August 14, 2016 5:02 PM  

My mobile does show numbers either. Just commenting to ask for a fix

Anonymous Discard August 15, 2016 2:23 PM  

74. Unknown and
83. Sam the Man: Civil War 2 won't look like war, it will look like crime. No troops involved at all, just cops who are scared shitless perfunctorily cleaning up the mess.

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