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Sunday, August 14, 2016

Are blacks worse than atomic bombs?

I was drawn to look into this for myself after Snopes tried to dismiss a meme that was going around comparing Hiroshima to Detroit on the basis of some rather spurious grounds, so I thought I'd have a look at the evidence myself.





















Now, some have argued that because Detroit's core downtown is still intact, this proves that the decay of the city surrounding it is irrelevant. But a city is more than its downtown, as the comparative population figures demonstrate the same contrast that the pictures do.

Detroit population 
1950: 1.8 million
2016: 680,000

Hiroshima population
1945: 260,000
2015: 1.2 million

Note that this is the most favorable possible comparison for Detroit, as the 1945 Hiroshima population is post-bombing and is based upon the smallest reported casualty count. Moreover, Detroit filed for bankruptcy in 2013, which was the largest municipal bankruptcy filing in US history.

The claim that the pictures are misleading is a dishonest and knowingly deceitful response. The fact that the downtown still exists merely indicates the destructive process is not yet entirely complete, as that downtown is now "a tiny urban island" in a grass-covered, depopulated sea.
In 1950, Detroit was America's fifth largest city and one of the most prosperous on the back of its booming motor industry. It prompted the construction of skyscrapers on the banks of the river and the development of vast suburban housing projects in the surrounding areas.

But almost 55 years on, a dwindling motor industry and a dramatic fall in blue collar jobs has caused people to leave the Michigan city, abandoning their homes and businesses. These aerial photos reveal the tiny urban island that is left - a clutter of high-rises surrounded by empty housing plots now covered in grass. There are vast areas of open spaces dotted with crumbling industrial buildings and barely-standing Victorian homes until you reach the upmarket suburbs.
The fact that these facts may be uncomfortable or make you feel bad is irrelevant. The evidence is very clear that a black population in excess of an as-yet-undetermined percentage of the overall population renders the continuation of Western civilization impossible. This has been observed everywhere from Capetown to Detroit, and the comparison with Hiroshima only underlines the cultural, economic, and physical devastation that an excessively black population is likely to wreak on a society.

The cuckservative response is that it is Democrat rule, or socialist governing principles, not blacks, who are responsible. This omits two important facts. One, blacks vote for Democrats more solidly than any other group. Two, for most of the post-war years for which I've been able to find the relevant data, Hiroshima has been governed by members of the Japan Social Democratic Party, "a political party that advocates the establishment of a socialist Japan."

What should be done about it? I don't know. But since my people were forcibly put on reservations, I'm not terribly inclined to pay much attention to any appeals to equality or the rhetorical hysterics of dyscivilizationists protesting that nothing can, or should, be done to avert the collapse of civilization throughout the West.

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Anonymous johnc August 14, 2016 8:33 AM  

The evidence is very clear that a black population in excess of an as-yet-undetermined percentage of the overall population...

Gonna go with 0%.

BTW note of course that this only examines from a material perspective. Also ask yourself... which city would you feel safer in, Hiroshima or Detroit? Which city has people you would rather live with as neighbors, Hiroshima or Detroit?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2016 8:38 AM  

What should be done about it?

Black ethno-states in New York, Virginia, and Massachusetts.

Blogger Shimshon August 14, 2016 8:39 AM  

Scalzi now has somewhere to move to when his contract is canceled and can no longer afford his Ohio lawn.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2016 8:41 AM  

I have all these great ideas. Here's another one: advertise free marijuana in Minnesota, wait three days, then glass the state with nukes.

Anonymous Wyrd August 14, 2016 8:46 AM  

Recently read this book by a black American journalist who covered sub-Saharan Africa for three years back in the early '90s:

https://www.amazon.com/Out-America-Black-Confronts-Africa-ebook/dp/B0030H7UN0/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1471178518&sr=1-1&keywords=out+of+america#nav-subnav

His final verdict is he's glad his ancestors got on that slave ship.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 14, 2016 8:47 AM  

I've had this image in my collection for years.

It really bugs racial equalists and most other libtards.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 8:48 AM  

The evidence is very clear that a black population in excess of an as-yet-undetermined percentage of the overall population renders the continuation of Western civilization impossible.

20-25% is my guess

Blogger VD August 14, 2016 8:52 AM  

A little lower than that, Josh, if the black population of Detroit is any guide. 10 percent is the absolute maximum. 2-5 percent is probably the realistic ideal.

1940 9.19%
1950 16.25%
1960 28.87%

Blogger Dave August 14, 2016 8:53 AM  

I'm not disputing the meme, but that Detroit 2015 picture is not a good representation. One can find similar swatches in any major city. It's obviously an industrial section with warehouses and an electrical substation.

Where are the pictures showing street after street of abandoned and decaying commercial and residential areas? I'll have to see what I can dig up.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 14, 2016 8:55 AM  

Blacks live in Africa, everywhere.

Blogger Salt August 14, 2016 8:59 AM  

johnc wrote:Also ask yourself... which city would you feel safer in, Hiroshima or Detroit?

Hiroshima. It's already been bombed. Detroit hasn't finished yet.

Anonymous trk August 14, 2016 9:00 AM  

But what does NK Jenism think about it? Token black author needed to add insight.

Blogger VD August 14, 2016 9:01 AM  

I'm not disputing the meme, but that Detroit 2015 picture is not a good representation. One can find similar swatches in any major city. It's obviously an industrial section with warehouses and an electrical substation.

Actually, it is. That's ALL you find outside of the downtown.

Where are the pictures showing street after street of abandoned and decaying commercial and residential areas? I'll have to see what I can dig up.

Click on the link that says "tiny urban island".

Blogger U PC BRO? August 14, 2016 9:02 AM  

Election of Coleman Young time and time again played a huge part. He was openly hostile to whites so they moved out. Great for him, bad for the unthinking morons who kept returning him to office.

Blogger L' Aristokrato August 14, 2016 9:03 AM  

Exceptional individuals aside, a fact that has been observed pretty much all over the world and all through history, with almost unmatched consistency, is that as a group, be it swiftly or over time, Blacks will destroy civilization like clockwork.
The blunt reality is, a choice must be made between Blacks or civilization; We cannot have both.

Blogger Escoffier August 14, 2016 9:05 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:What should be done about it?

Black ethno-states in New York, Virginia, and Massachusetts.


What an exciting idea and when they have wasted all their resources, and begin hunting off the reservation, so to speak, how smart will you feel then?

Because we can postulate with a certainty that White folks will be blamed for any and all Black failure.

The correct answer has been and will always be Liberia 2.

Blogger Keith Glass August 14, 2016 9:06 AM  

I'm going to suggest an alternate interpretation. Simply that, in olden times (i.e. pre-1960s), black families were intact, they developed professionals (other than preachers). Black families were strong and productive,

But with the rise of welfare, and the disappearance of fathers in black families as a result, breeding selected increasingly for aggressive males, and has now gone 3-4 generations into that selection.

And, to no surprise, we now have a far larger number of aggressive black males, in respect to the population as a whole. Because selective breeding WORKS.

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2016 9:08 AM  

What should be done about it? I don't know.

California.

No "should" or "can." Mestizos hate blacks. Their majority will spell the end of the American Negro. Which makes blacks gloating about Americans coming minority status all the more amusing.

"Now yuz gunna noes wuts lyk 2b mynoritee BITCH!" Yeah, I don't think so Daquan.

Blogger WATYF August 14, 2016 9:08 AM  

How much of this is due to the collapse of the US auto industry?

WATYF

Blogger rumpole5 August 14, 2016 9:13 AM  

I first noticed in the 1980s that any business comprised of a large proportion of afro/ams seemed to fail.
I finally came to the conclusion that this is due to the manner in which blacks interact with one another in the context of their culture. I believe that it is very difficult for a black person to hold another black person to the benchmark standard of the alien European culture. I have read that so many positions in the Washington D.C.subway system are now held by afro/ams that it violates racial discrimination standards, and at the same time, the subway maintenance is so poor, that there is talk of shutting the whole system down for a month.

Blogger clk August 14, 2016 9:15 AM  

I think the arguement is flawed... its like going to a derelict ship and blaming the rats.

What happened in detroit is free trade, corp greed .... has anyone ever owned a 1970s car...

There are many mill, mine, steel towns where the same level of abandonement without a black within 100 miles.

The real problem imho is that the current population doesnt have the skills to build something on the wreckage of detroit... thats the real issue .... for you readers here who work in a stem field, how many black engineers do you know .? Why is this. ? Who is going to rebuild detroit ?. If every 50 something white engineeer said .. i done, no more work, the planet woild come to a halt in 60 days, and you will have detroit all over the world...

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2016 9:15 AM  

trk wrote:But what does NK Jenism think about it? Token black author needed to add insight.

White flight.

If blacks can't afford housing because the neighborhood is no longer a DMZ, gentrification.

City collapses, it's cause the greedy white folks left.

Blacks can't afford to live in "their traditional neighborhoods" because the city is improving, it's cause white folks moved in and "displaced" the blacks folks.

Beautiful ain't it?

Blogger Orville August 14, 2016 9:15 AM  

None. See Baltimore, Atlanta, Chicago, Indianapolis, Birmingham, etc., etc.

As to percentages, I'd say 5 to 8%. My burb is broken at 18%.


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Blogger Phillip George August 14, 2016 9:20 AM  

His final verdict is he's glad his ancestors got on that slave ship quite right

New Guinea would have prospered if it had have remained under Australian governance. Most of Africa would have been better off had they remained colonial dominions.

Robert Mugabe raped Rhodesia. Repeat the story all over
Africa.

But what to do about now. Have a quick think about Fiji. A very British experience. Yes it's third world with a tourist industry but it isn't Mogadishu.

Fiji was converted by Methodist/ Presbyterian/ Lutheran missionaries. They form queues and go to church, even now.

The difference is God. The actual One. When victimhood entered the Detroit hive mind victimhood is what they got. Victimhood begets perpetual victims. That economy is the mindset. Trailer parks can be black or white. Gospel economics isn't like others.

Blogger rumpole5 August 14, 2016 9:24 AM  

Washington Times story linking racial employment pattern to incompetence on D.C. subway: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/

Blogger Bard August 14, 2016 9:26 AM  

Way lower than 10% Josh. Would you live in a 10% black neighborhood? At 1-2% they are the token blacks and no one cares. When 1/10 houses have cars parked in the yard, trash everywhere, cars blaring bass, whites move.

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2016 9:27 AM  

clk wrote:how many black engineers do you know .?

None.

clk wrote:Why is this. ?

85 IQ.

clk wrote:Who is going to rebuild detroit ?.

Nobody.

clk wrote:If every 50 something white engineeer said .. i done, no more work, the planet woild come to a halt in 60 days, and you will have detroit all over the world...

Japan/Korea/China chuckles, "Whatever helps the black pill go down round eye."

Anonymous Hrw-500 August 14, 2016 9:29 AM  

That reminds me of one guy who taked the pen name of Paul Kersey, as a nod to the character performed by Charles Bronson in the "Death Wish" movies, who writed some books about MotorCity like "Escape from Detroit" and "Detroit: The Unauthorized Autopsy of America's Bankrupt Black Metropolis.


Blogger Unknown August 14, 2016 9:31 AM  

Phillip George wrote:The difference is God. The actual One.

Ummm, no.

PNG is 96% Christian.

The difference is Indians.

Blogger Lobo Util August 14, 2016 9:31 AM  

Tombstone, AZ. Very few blacks. Peak was 14,000 residents, mostly white men. Now 1380 population. Obviously white men are a problem.

Commerce/Nauvoo, IL. in 1844 had 12,000 white Mormon inhabitants. It was the second largest city in IL behind Chicago. Most were English, German, and Scandinavian. Today population is 1108. Obviously it was caused by their white race or their religion.

The fact that the US government incentivized building of cars and car parts overseas and in other states, along with improvements in bulk transportation may be a much greater factors than race. Population drops when the reason for the boom ends because of international politics, rising water in silver mines (Tombstone), or a religious exodus due to persecution (Commerce/Nauvoo).

Populations also leave under threat of outside instigated war, outside disruption of government, and rapacious greed for abundant petroleum, diamonds, silver, and gold. Am I talking about the middle east? Yes. Also Central and South America in the 1500's and today. Also the gold and diamond fields of Africa 200 years ago and today.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2016 9:34 AM  

There are tons of cities with similar racial demographics to detroit. memphis TN for example has historically had a much greater black population than Detroit. Atlanta has been a majority black city since 1970. And in 1990 it almost 70% black. Back in 1970 detroit was still majority white.

Now the spike was more sudden for detroit... but in looking at what's happened to Detroit... it appears to me that there was a large influx of blacks. Again... Detroit's population peak was 1950 at over 1.8 million. In 1950 Detroit was only 16% black... and that is the beginning of the population decline. By 1960 detroit had lost 10% of its population but blacks were still only 28% of the population. It lost another 10% between 1960 and 1970... but in 1970 blacks were still only 44% of the population. Between 1970 to 1980... Detroit lost 20% of its population.. and the black population went from 44% to 63%.

This isn't a to many black people problem. The black population in detoit actually doesn't appear to have grown that much.

All the white people just left.

And they didn't leave because of the black people. They left because the jobs all left.

Between 1950 and 1980 Detroit lost almost 40% of its population. And for most of that time it was majority white.


Anonymous Wyrd August 14, 2016 9:38 AM  

And Nate dissembles because he can't give up knee-grow-ball. Sad, really.

Blogger Phillip George August 14, 2016 9:38 AM  

been to Fiji twice and lived in the villages, well off the tourist routes, the difference is God.

PNG. too much internal displacement.

Blogger Cinco August 14, 2016 9:39 AM  

"What happened in detroit is free trade, corp greed .... has anyone ever owned a 1970s car...

There are many mill, mine, steel towns where the same level of abandonement without a black within 100 miles."

This. I have personally see the towns with the old brick buildings that are abandoned without a black to be found. The problem is one of competition. Blacks in general can't compete for jobs with whites or Hispanics. It is not surprising that they wind up dealing in vice crimes.

I agree that in general blacks do not escape culpability for the situation devolving faster than it would in their absence; however, if they had the choice of working for $15/hour in a factory or dealing drugs I think they would choose the factory. The problem is that that free trade combined with inflation has destroyed their ability to compete in the market place.

Blogger Phillip George August 14, 2016 9:42 AM  

there was a large influx of blacks. Again courtesy of Nate,

artificial displacements Vs natural growth or attrition. Families broken. Economy goes with it.

Blogger Dave August 14, 2016 9:43 AM  

Click on the link that says "tiny urban island".

Thanks, Vox. I'm actually somewhat impressed that the city is making progress demolishing and returning areas to "nature".

Detroit is a great case study. So many factors contributed to the decay it's difficult to attribute it directly to the black population and politicians, although that is certainly a huge factor.

Like so many cities as the population diminishes they went into a financial and taxation death spiral. It was accelerated in Detroit due to the almost overnight loss of their industrial base. However we're told many other US cities have looming financial crisis' with underfunded pensions, over-promised services and aging infrastructures. At some point these cities won't be able to keep kicking the can.

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Blogger Nate August 14, 2016 9:44 AM  

'there was a large influx of blacks. Again courtesy of Nate,'

typo.

There was NOT a large influx.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 14, 2016 9:44 AM  

The evidence is very clear that a black population in excess of an as-yet-undetermined percentage of the overall population renders the continuation of Western civilization impossible.

There obviously is a breaking point, but I believe dispersal plays a large role, too. This is to say that if a black population is, say, thirty percent but widely spread and not congregated into a few areas, it is less problematic than a thirty percent black population congregated in several areas.


What should be done about it?

You have previously suggested high-crime inner city precincts be treated as no-go zones for police. To some degree that already is happening naturally. Once blacks control city politics, the elected officials likely will face hostile constituents as police boycott neighborhoods but it will be hard to retain non-sociopaths as cops if they are forced to go into death traps. The no-go zone treatment can be expanded to county and state police.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2016 9:45 AM  

"And Nate dissembles because he can't give up knee-grow-ball. Sad, really"

Facts are facts.

Detroit lost 10% of its population between 1950 and 1960. Blacks went from 16% to 24%. Tons of white folks up and left. Why?

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2016 9:46 AM  

Phillip George wrote:PNG. too much internal displacement.

So, not God?

Blogger Nate August 14, 2016 9:48 AM  

"Who is going to rebuild detroit ?."

Why do we need Detroit?

Cities are out-dated.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 9:49 AM  

Detroit MSA:
Historical population
Census Pop. %±
1950 3,016,197 —
1960 3,762,360 24.7%
1970 4,307,470 14.5%
1980 4,353,365 1.1%
1990 4,482,299 3.0%
2000 4,752,557 6.0%
2010 5,096,250 7.2%
Est. 2015 5,592,060 9.7%

Anonymous Wyrd August 14, 2016 9:50 AM  

Why?

Fecundity.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2016 9:51 AM  

and again... if this is a black people thing... Why hasn't it happened to Memphis and Atlanta which have historically been far more black than Detroit.

Not saying I like those two shit holes. I hate them. But they certainly have no suffered to nearly the degree Detroit has. In fact... memphis' population has grown steadily since 1970.

Blogger tz August 14, 2016 9:53 AM  

Having lived there most of my life and recently...

1. the pics understate things. Out my window (I was in a suburban high rise) you'd see plumes of smoke daily. Driving through, you'd see the wrecks, not empty lots.

2. The responsible blacks moved to the suburbs, mostly Southfield. There was some shock as Southfield enforced codes.

3. It wasn't just being black, but the heavy single mother r-selection starting in the 1970's, and the loss of blue collar factory jobs so welfare was their best alternative. Compare Appalachia and other white rural towns where there are no jobs. In 1960, the k-selection was still there and families were stable, but the moral pressure with the blue collar jobs kept things that way.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt August 14, 2016 9:54 AM  

"Where are the pictures showing street after street of abandoned and decaying commercial and residential areas?"

Just go to Google Maps, choose the satellite view of Detroit, then swoop down and start your tour. It's not hard to spot the derelict sections from the sky. Then you can go to the "street view" option to take a virtual drive through those sections.

Blogger VD August 14, 2016 9:54 AM  

There are tons of cities with similar racial demographics to detroit. memphis TN for example has historically had a much greater black population than Detroit. Atlanta has been a majority black city since 1970. And in 1990 it almost 70% black. Back in 1970 detroit was still majority white.

How very strange that the same process is currently at work in Cape Town. Must be their auto industry.

Blogger The Other Robot August 14, 2016 9:54 AM  

Is there a pattern here?

Milwaukee Crowd Turns Violent after Police Fatally Shoot Armed Black Man

Violent Corsica Brawl Between Locals and North Africans

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 9:55 AM  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Detroit

Peak white population was 1,545,847 in 1950.

Peak black population was 777,916 in 1990.

Blogger Jimmy Glover August 14, 2016 9:56 AM  

According to a black man I know and socialize with:

"You have to disperse blacks throughout a white population to dilute us and stop us congregating. When we clump together, we will burn it down."

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent August 14, 2016 9:56 AM  

You want to live next door to Nora Jemisin yelling at you every day over the back fence that you're racist as fuck?

Blogger The Other Robot August 14, 2016 9:56 AM  

Not saying I like those two shit holes. I hate them. But they certainly have no suffered to nearly the degree Detroit has. In fact... memphis' population has grown steadily since 1970.

It will. Baltimore is starting down that road.

Anonymous Wyrd August 14, 2016 9:57 AM  

Nate and Josh...which one is the tall, skinny one and the short, fat one?

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 14, 2016 9:57 AM  

Ah, are you kidding? This is the opportunity of a lifetime. Buy an entire city block of this absurd place for a couple hundred bucks, rebuild the houses, plant flowers and hedges, raise dogs, and play a lot of classical music (Mozart, Haydn and Wagner for preference.) And outsmart the corrupt black Dem political class so you don't get killed with parasitic taxes -- it won't be hard. Then watch your property values skyrocket. Then buy the next block. Etc etc.

Blogger Orville August 14, 2016 9:59 AM  

You all are missing the point focusing on why Detroit died. Detroit isn't the issue. Things like what happened in Milwaukee last night, and coming to other cities soon, is the issue. It is a discivilization plague, and we know what the vector is.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2016 9:59 AM  

"How very strange that the same process is currently at work in Cape Town. Must be their auto industry."

We've already been over this. There is a greater delta between american blacks and african blacks than between many races.

c'mon man.

This isn't twitter.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 14, 2016 9:59 AM  

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Why Blacks Destroy Everything They Inherit

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Anonymous Mjusiq August 14, 2016 10:00 AM  

Yes

Blogger tz August 14, 2016 10:02 AM  

Another big factor was Coleman Young. Think Hillary Clinton with her foundation. He played the race card. But before that, cross town busing. Your child would be forced to ride a bus an hour each way to integrate a school. Whites left (including my parents). This included all the jews who were in favor of it.

Everyone who could leave left.

Detroit selected for corrupt cronies and welfare moms. Then tried games since the tax base eroded.

Something similar would happen if you had a pure white area that only wanted white single moms, had no jobs except for crony politicians (someone should check Arkansas).

Blogger Dave August 14, 2016 10:02 AM  

What should be done about it?

Establish tax free enterprise zones where in return for people moving in and developing the zones they eventually will be given ownership of the properties. Allow them full autonomy to create their own gov't and police.

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2016 10:04 AM  

tz wrote:Compare Appalachia and other white rural towns where there are no jobs.

*Looks at crime stats*

You were saying???

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 14, 2016 10:06 AM  

Hope they manage to preserve some the architecture. They could make a nice small town if they kept the early 20th century mansions and bulldozed the rest.

Blogger Shimshon August 14, 2016 10:07 AM  

@43 Josh, Detroit (the city) is not the same as "Detroit MSA".

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 14, 2016 10:08 AM  

Start pronouncing the word "Detroit" with the original French accent. Watch as the population runs away in terror. Then you can buy the whole damn city for pennies on the dollar and rebuild. If the Chinese don't get there first. Which they probably will.

Also read SBPDL if you don't already.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 10:10 AM  

How very strange that the same process is currently at work in Cape Town. Must be their auto industry.

I don't know the best source for the demographics of cape town, but from wikipedia: In 1944, 47% of the city's population was White, 46% was Coloured, less than 6% was Black African and 1% was Asian.

So even 70 years ago it wasn't majority white.

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2016 10:10 AM  

Dave wrote:Establish tax free enterprise zones where in return for people moving in and developing the zones they eventually will be given ownership of the properties. Allow them full autonomy to create their own gov't and police.

I remember being a libertarian.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 10:12 AM  

@43 Josh, Detroit (the city) is not the same as "Detroit MSA".

I know. I think it's relevant to discuss an MSA when you're discussing a city within that MSA.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 14, 2016 10:12 AM  

After government jobs, the next biggest industries are disaster porn/SHFT movie backgrounds, and (((cheating))) the London Metal Exchange warehousing rules. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lme-warehousing-idUSTRE76R3YZ20110729 .Leftists have proposed importing 3rd world moslems onto welfare and placing them in Detroit because what Detroit needs is more low IQ welfare recipients, & believe eating free lunches is an economically productive act, as seen by Vox's GPD proclimation.

black population in excess of an as-yet-undetermined percentage of the overall population renders the continuation of Western civilization impossible

I believe 10% is the tipping point, for the big problems.

BTW note of course that this only examines from a material perspective.

The non Asian minorities who use ambulances as free taxis, cost real patients time and lives in excess of the cost to taxpayers. I could sink a dozen oil tankers while doing less harm to the environment than Latrina's 21 crack babies(actual woman in NJ 21 crackbabies)

Blogger tz August 14, 2016 10:12 AM  

@62 The rural areas don't have the density to make crimes pay, except meth labs (see Methland), and occasional petty theft - and disability fraud, especially children.
Hispanics and Arabs aren't black but you get the same effects from the same selective pressures.
It may be worse for blacks.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 14, 2016 10:17 AM  

"There is a greater delta between american blacks and african blacks than between many races."

The IQ delta and the cultural delta are very different. Nietzsche once said (and I believe him more than Freud and less than Jung) that the great problem of human relations is resentment. Actually he used the fancier French word ressentiment, but it's the same deal. African blacks are happy as f!ck-all to finally be in a place with clean hot and cold running water. African-Americans (the traditional historical type) are out of their minds, and victims of eternal ressentiment. These are people who after 150+ years are still bawling for "reparations" for a slavery none of them ever experienced. How childish is that?

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 10:18 AM  

A little lower than that, Josh, if the black population of Detroit is any guide. 10 percent is the absolute maximum. 2-5 percent is probably the realistic ideal.

1940 9.19%
1950 16.25%
1960 28.87%


If 1950 is "Peak Detroit" it was already above your 10% maximum. I haven't done extensive research, but I would be surprised to find any large cities that had a black population below 10% in the 20th century.

Blogger tz August 14, 2016 10:18 AM  

Welfare state or not?
The percentage can be high as long as they are forced to behave.
What would Detroit look like without Section 8 housing and EBT cards?

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 10:21 AM  

If we want to look at the US population as a whole, in 1950 the black population was 10.0%. The non hispanic white population was 87.5%.

In 2010 the black population was 12.6% and the non hispanic white population was 63.7%.

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Anonymous The OASF August 14, 2016 10:24 AM  

Interesting, I was just thinking the other day that the first two RoboCop movies were perhaps the most prophetic movies in Hollywood history... how serendipitous.

Blogger tz August 14, 2016 10:25 AM  

San Diego was full of ex-Afrikaners, so you had white flight there with Nelson Mandela their version of Coleman Young.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2016 10:26 AM  

" African-Americans (the traditional historical type) are out of their minds, and victims of eternal ressentiment. "

in the grand scheme of things this is a relatively new issue. Blacks in america in the 20s, 30s, and 40s were largely content. They were largely associated with republicans and when and where they could vote they voted republican.

and yes... blacks voted before 1965.

You can watch the decline in the civilization of the black population over time. It started when the democrats decided to go all out for the black vote.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 14, 2016 10:27 AM  

Josh wrote:but I would be surprised to find any large cities that had a black population below 10% in the 20th century.

Using 2014 numbers:
San Francisco-Oakland 6%
Boston, MA 8% But they have a large Irish population, so it is a wash.
Los Angeles, CA 7%
Minneapolis-St Paul, MN 7%
Seattle, WA 6%
Pittsburgh, PA 8%
San Diego, CA 5%
Austin Tx 7%
San Antonio 6%
Denver 6%

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 10:30 AM  

Using 2014 numbers:

I stand corrected.

Anonymous JI August 14, 2016 10:36 AM  

Vox mentions that his people were put on reservations. I think African Americans should be given the same deal: Both peoples should be given lands in the US and a monthly check as long as they live on those reservations. Leave the reservation and you're given the same deal as European Americans, which means no Affirmative Action or special treatment.

This system has worked very well at preventing riots and insurrections from the Native Americans, and I am sure it would work equally well for the other group that historically suffered greatly at the hands of the European Americans.

To sell this to Democrat Whites, just don't call them reservations; call them something like Cultural Enrichment Zones.

Anonymous BGKB August 14, 2016 10:38 AM  

Scalzi now has somewhere to move to when his contract is canceled and can no longer afford his Ohio lawn.

Detroit couldn't even pay police and firemen to take free homes in the city. To get them to live in city limits they offered free homes and grants to fix them up, no takers. That's with "opportunity zones" of no taxes for 10years.

One can find similar swatches in any major die verse city

Much of the cost of NAM is hidden, the Swiss have a pay as you go system and a single squat monster with 7 kids devours more than 1/3 of the taxes of a town of 1000 productive whites a cost of ~$60,000 USD per month. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2758055/Outraged-Swiss-village-1-000-residents-forced-raise-taxes-African-refugee-mother-seven-moves-costs-40-000-month-benefits.html
(don't forget AIDS meds run $2k-5k per month per person)

Blogger Robert Divinity August 14, 2016 10:41 AM  

Re: Memphis

The black middle class fled the city in the first years of the last decade and now make north Mississippi, where they fled, shittier places. The population has flatlined, and would be down but/for annexation. What is left in Memphis are a handful of gentry whites and welfare blacks. It will be a bigger shithole than Detroit once major industries such as FedEx decide to go elsewhere, which likely will be soon.

As far as murder, here's the numbers. Yes, the homicide rate far exceeds Chicago:

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/04/08/memphis-homicide-rate-nearly-doubles-that-of-chicago-this-year/21339296/

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 14, 2016 10:42 AM  

Blacks are the least of the threats whites face from other ethnic groups - they are native, largely segregated and too low IQ to integrate compared to high IQ foreigners. Ideally, they would unite with whites to vote against immigrants but it doesn't seem possible to educate them sufficiently to get them to vote for their own interests.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 14, 2016 10:43 AM  

Detroit is in Michigan. Memphis is in Tennessee. Which half of the country had the KKK?

Most of the difference between bantu-Africans and bantu-Americans can be explained as an extreme example of the cultural r-K effect.

Blogger John S August 14, 2016 10:44 AM  

How much of this is due to the collapse of the US auto industry?

Conversely, how much of the auto industry collapse is due to this?

With their workforce increasingly consisting of 85 IQ blacks with a racial animus towards any form of authority (business or governmental/police),that the Feds are leaning on them to hire; and the white working class fleeing rising rates of black violent crime... What else would you expect to happen?

The tax base, rather than allow their wives and children to be thrown in the equivalent of the lion cage at the zoo (maybe the cats aren't hungry today, but what about tomorrow?), left. With predictable results.

Blogger tz August 14, 2016 10:50 AM  

Victoria suggested 40 acres and a mule. Farming is good practice because it keeps one busy and out of trouble. chicken coop, cow, and garden instead of EBT.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 14, 2016 10:51 AM  

@Nate -- I think you are correct in the grander historical scheme of things, but I'm simply talking about the present hysterical scheme of things. And what can we do about it.

One thing that really bothers me is that black American intellectual processes tend to be assertive rather than discoursive. They simply pronounce things, they don't argue them. (Martin Luther King was absurd on these grounds, and BLM is positively over the cliff.) I think it goes back to certain church traditions, but I'm not sure about that, I wouldn't claim authority on the matter.

But look at a guy like Barack Obama. He doesn't actually argue things, he simply makes grandiose pronouncements, and expects nobody will call him on his nonsense, because raciss. I have friends who knew him at HLS, and their consensus was, "Will this narcissistic windbag EVER shut the hell up?"

It's not an intellectual tradition, it's a Tammany Hall, pounding-the-lectern tradition. But even the old-skool corrupt Irish pols had the self-respect to call it "honest graft". Which it actually was, paradoxically. Detroit, not so much.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 14, 2016 10:52 AM  

I am surprised to hear anyone defending Memphis. It is basically the Detroit of the south in terms of being a black dominated, impoverished, crime-filled hellhole. Although the downtown has some boarded up historic buildings, it doesn't have the look of desolation of Detroit solely because it was never a major industrial center and so did not have as far to fall.

Although the alternative would seem to be Nashville - explosive growth, horrible traffic, high cost of living, increased mosque construction and a immigration levels that will destroy the white identity of the area within a decade.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 14, 2016 10:53 AM  

"Which half of the country had the KKK?"

Which KKK are you talking about? The real KKK that was disbanded when Reconstruction ended. The 1920's era Klan that had large numbers in the North and for a few years basically controlled the government of Indiana. The FeeBI infiltrated KKK of the 50's and 60's. Or the current Klans made up of ex cons, meth heads, informers and snitches.

OpenID b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 August 14, 2016 10:55 AM  

"The Ruins of Detroit" by Yves Marchand is a photo essay of what Detroit looks like now. I have it sitting on my coffee table, it surprises a lot of guests. I drive the point home by saying there are companies that cater to Japanese tourist that take them around to many of the places featured to show them these modern ruins.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 14, 2016 10:57 AM  

I took a trip to Memphis in the mid-80s, the car lots all had chain link fences around them and none of the cars on the lots had hubcaps on them.

My MEPS in 1988 was in Memphis, the bus station was a hell hole back then. The MEPS complex was on the 4th floor of a 5 story building, the bottom 3 floors were gutted and empty.

Anonymous Joe Blowe August 14, 2016 11:00 AM  

Racism experienced by blacks is simply 1st World Western, i.e. White, Civilization trying to maintain itself in the face of jungle savagery, Stone Age incompetence, and primitive ugliness. "Decent" blacks that experience racism should consider that the cost of living in a modern society and not starving in a mud hut. If they don't like it they can leave. Their uncivilized brothers should be expelled by the the point of a bayonet.

Blogger Sean Labat August 14, 2016 11:01 AM  

Could use some prayers from the Vox ilk. In Denham springs, Louisiana. Been flooded out of one home and safely evacuated to a church family. The water is now rising here. Food is running low and the hasn't been a way to evacuate. Thank you. Sean

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2016 11:03 AM  

In Africa, approximately 70-80% of black children grow up with a father figure present.

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2016 11:07 AM  

Bobby Farr wrote:Blacks are the least of the threats whites face from other ethnic groups

EXPLAIN.

Bobby Farr wrote:vote for their own interests.

I suppose you could try "No white majority = no more gibs."

The other side already beat you to the punch convincing negroes that mestizos are brother PoC. The "smart" blacks actually think they'll be running things once the white devil is dead.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 11:08 AM  

Although the alternative would seem to be Nashville - explosive growth, horrible traffic, high cost of living, increased mosque construction and a immigration levels that will destroy the white identity of the area within a decade.

This is all 100% true.

Nashville is a vile shithole.

No one should ever visit or move to Nashville.

Blogger Jim Carroll August 14, 2016 11:10 AM  

There's several other lines of evidence that would seem to indicate that the reasons are significantly cultural. To name a few:

Black communities that self select for immigration without an expectation welfare support do markedly better. For example, though they make up 1% of the black population in the US, Nigerian immigrants make up 25% of the black population at Harvard.

Thomas Sowell, quotes a study by James Flynn on the IQ among the children of German women and American black soldiers after WW2 in which no appreciable difference could be measured between them and the general population.

Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and many others have shown that the progress of the black community in multiple social and fiscal respects was halted with the onset of the welfare state. The infantalization of any community subject to those pressures can be empirically demonstrated (again, Thomas Sowell has done this) including poor white communities.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 14, 2016 11:12 AM  

if you like Nashville, you either need to get around more or have horrible taste.

Blogger Silly But True August 14, 2016 11:13 AM  

@45

I would not hold Memphis up as the shining example bucking the trend. Violent crime rate was _the_ highest in US in 2015, for the second year in a row. The FBI last year ranked it as the third most dangerous US city.

The 2016 murder rare to date is _double_, _double_, that of Chicago, and that's no small feat.

The Peabody Ducks released a statement that they're moving to Detroit or Hiroshima to be safer.

Silly But True

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 14, 2016 11:14 AM  

Re: Christianity, I'm beginning to realize this is a non-issue. Americans are 95% Faustian pagans who worship the state (as the incorporation of the national spirit) and look to politics for deliverance. This will lead to a predictable clash between German-Americans and Anglo-Americans circa 2028.

Blogger The Other Robot August 14, 2016 11:14 AM  

Black communities that self select for immigration without an expectation welfare support do markedly better. For example, though they make up 1% of the black population in the US, Nigerian immigrants make up 25% of the black population at Harvard.

Affirmative action. When you are bound and determined to get blacks into Harvard, you want to select the most determined.

Thomas Sowell, quotes a study by James Flynn on the IQ among the children of German women and American black soldiers after WW2 in which no appreciable difference could be measured between them and the general population.

That old saw. Has it been retested. On genetic grounds alone we would expect regression to the average of the parental population IQs.

Since they weren't inducting black rocket surgeons into the Army during WWII we can expect their IQs to be around the black mean of 85.

Blogger clk August 14, 2016 11:17 AM  

@86 Conversely, how much of the auto industry collapse is due to this?

0%.... thats a silly statement.. dump black workers caused the fall of detroit ? ..NO... Now lets talk corp greed and unions . US automakers got what they deserved due to thier inflexibility and greed..they were largly making crap cars with poor quality. The unions showed no flexibility and greed .. that combined with open markets and foreign competition set the fate.

No sorry ... you cant blame blacks for detroit...

Blogger clk August 14, 2016 11:18 AM  

But it is their opprotunity to fix it... if they can...

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 14, 2016 11:19 AM  

@94 -- Could use some prayers from the Vox ilk.

We ask you, the Almighty, the Most High, to grant relief to our brother, to grant him and his family safety and renewed prosperity, and we ask this as always through Christ Our Lord. And say we all Amen.

Anonymous Anonymous August 14, 2016 11:25 AM  

Bee says,

The key factor is the matriarchal social structure embraced by blacks in the inner cities. Government policies have encouraged the matriarchal social structure. Many west African tribes are matriarchal, so the slaves brought that tendency with them.

When white communities embrace the matriarchy, they also fall into dysfunction.

Blogger VD August 14, 2016 11:27 AM  

There's several other lines of evidence that would seem to indicate that the reasons are significantly cultural.

It's 2016, genetic science has advanced considerably, and you blank slatists are STILL cucking and making excuses for the low-IQ, short-time-preferenced peoples.

Just stop. It's all just intellectual cowardice. You were wrong. Deal with it. I understand reality offends your sense of decency and your ideal of equality, but that doesn't change what it is.

Race is culture is race. Culture is downstream from race, just as politics is downstream from culture. That doesn't mean there are no smart, cultured, decent Negroes or no idiot, barbarian, bestial whites.

How many times do I have to fucking explain what should be obvious?

Blogger VD August 14, 2016 11:29 AM  

In Denham springs, Louisiana. Been flooded out of one home and safely evacuated to a church family. The water is now rising here. Food is running low and the hasn't been a way to evacuate. Thank you. Sean

Stay safe and dry.

Blogger The Other Robot August 14, 2016 11:30 AM  

@98: Actually, with respect to this:

Thomas Sowell, quotes a study by James Flynn on the IQ among the children of German women and American black soldiers after WW2 in which no appreciable difference could be measured between them and the general population.

My initial response was wrong. I says again: WRONG!

As Race and Mixed IQ Populations points out (about half-way down) since the US Army could and did restrict the feeble-minded at that time, they removed the bottom 30% of the black population.

Also, the study you refer to was by Eyferth in 1961 and there are some other curious facts. The mothers were all unmarried. That is, the fathers had abandoned them or were rapists. While there was a minimal difference in IQ between the two groups (children of a White US father and German Woman and children of a Black US father and German Woman) that is fully accounted for by the actual IQ characteristics of the restricted source populations, not the real populations.

All of this information is readily available. You just have to use your brain.

Blogger Teri August 14, 2016 11:31 AM  

Prayers for you, Sean. Hope the rains stop and everyone is evacuated safely.

Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 11:32 AM  

Praying Sean

Anonymous AIDS Skrillex August 14, 2016 11:32 AM  

It's 2016...

It's current year! Don't talk to my wife's son ever again!

Anonymous BGKB August 14, 2016 11:35 AM  

What an exciting idea and when they have wasted all their resources, and begin hunting off the reservation

For preppers the "golden hord" is a great topic of debate. My position is that by the time NAMs leave their graffitied "territory" they will have consumed bad food/water & wont make it far. Looking at normal rush hour traffic around their zones an accident can shut down roads for hours under normal conditions. They will burn liquor stores and cop cars protesting no free stuff deliveries. As long as you stay out of lines of drift you should be fine.

No "should" or "can." Mestizos hate blacks.

When around people who know I am gay but not a realist i'll say "OMG did you see the uncle Toms TRUMP put up on stage? He drags around these people from Compton & Harlem where illegal alien gang bangers ethnically cleansed blacks out of the neighborhood but NAHALT". Funny thing for all the rappers that talked about growing up in Compton, President Bush grew up there also, when it was white.

"What happened in detroit is free trade, corp greed .... has anyone ever owned a 1970s car...

80% White liberal Pittsburg didn't fall as far.

Why hasn't it happened to Memphis and Atlanta which have historically been far more black than Detroit

OMG Atlanta really, if it wasn't for all the govt jobs there it would be a total cesspit. Well actually EPA workers took dumps in hallways and the city had to spend $11million on urine detectors in MARTA elevators because signs telling where bathrooms are require literacy. Anyone who says NYC smells like a toilet has not been to Atlanta. http://www.ajc.com/news/news/marta-installs-urine-detection-systems-elevator/ncPgH/

widely spread and not congregated into a few areas, it is less problematic than a thirty percent black population congregated in several areas

Nope a shitlib couple actually disproved that, one worked for cops the other for sect 8, they noticed the crime map and section 8 map matched with more total crime reported. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/class-crime-in-memphis/

"Betts remembers her discomfort as she looked at the map. The couple had been musing about the connection for months, but they were amazed—and deflated—to see how perfectly the two data sets fit together. She knew right away that this would be a “hard thing to say or write.” Nobody in the antipoverty community and nobody in city leadership was going to welcome the news that the noble experiment "

Baltimore is starting down that road. It was well on the road in the 90s.

that the great problem of human relations is resentment.

There was a story about do gooder whites going to Detriot picking up trash off the streets and growing free food for the natives with blacks resenting the intrusion. You can't even pick up their trash without them hating you. http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2014/07/when-you-stare-into-abyss-new-york.html

"Her brother, 23, expressed even greater irritation. “When you black and you broke and you poor and you ain’t got nothing, you, like, really picky over everything,” he said. “It was all white people over there. It was like, ‘What the hell are y’all doing?’ Seemed like it was going to be some type of takeover.”

The group was the Michigan Urban Farming Initiative, whose mission "

Using 2014 numbers:San Francisco-Oakland 6% Still the majority of reported crimes, but gays beaten up by the BFs for cheating will claim 20 STR8 YT guys beat them up for wearing white after labor day.

Blogger Jim Carroll August 14, 2016 11:37 AM  

@106 VD, and @108 The Other Robot, I put that out there because it's what I read. I haven't been here long enough to have seen it dealt with. I didn't assume people here wouldn't be able to answer it or give me other places to look; it's why I put it out there. Thanks.

Anonymous Utah Siener August 14, 2016 11:38 AM  

In South Africa, Coloureds aren't blacks. They're a mixture of the original indigenous Cape population, Malay slaves and White. They speak Afrikaans and historically got on well with Whites. They were part of the Cape colony from the beginning. There's a hell of a difference between Coloureds and blacks from other parts of South Africa or from other countries who should not be part of Cape Town

Anonymous BGKB August 14, 2016 11:40 AM  

Sean Labat August 14, 2016 11:01 AM Could use some prayers from the Vox ilk..Food is running low and the hasn't been a way to evacuate.

Amazon might be able to deliver food when no one else can. If you get freeze dried food like backpackers use just adding warm water can make meals. Perhaps setting up a go fund me, or listing your needs someone in the area might be able to help.

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2016 11:40 AM  

VD wrote:It's 2016

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Current year!!!!!!

VERY well played.

VD wrote:How many times do I have to fucking explain what should be obvious?

Survey says: Infinity.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 14, 2016 11:42 AM  

"Nashville is a vile shithole.

"No one should ever visit or move to Nashville."

It is a wretched place and should be avoided. As recently as twenty years ago Nashville was an educational and religious center, had almost no immigrants, very little crime, and its population was mostly multi-generational and even included some descendants of the French trappers who settled the area prior to English colonization. The cost of living was low and the quality of life was high.

Once things started to fall apart the decline was rapid. Leftists from other areas came to dominate local politics, always liberal Democrat anyhow, and they encouraged massive migration. A policy of unofficial discrimination against the multi-generational white locals was put into place in the public and private sectors.

Things finally reached the tipping point. The city/county sheriff had a program that allowed him to deport illegal aliens, and it was shut down largely due to local opposition. A referendum to require English as the official language failed. The mayors and city council get more left-wing which each passing election. Islam receives priority over Christianity.

Nashville is a microcosm of the United States, which means it is a shithole. It is an example of how a polity can appear prosperous while it simultaneously turns into a sinister place not long for it.

My wife is a native and each return down there to visit her family makes us nauseous. The colonization and oppression of the native whites (and increasingly the native blacks, although they are too clueless to appreciate it yet) is horrifying. It also is the future for the rest of us unless we turns things around.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson (an actually really bad person, the crimethink is over the cliif) August 14, 2016 11:46 AM  

Um..... huh. I believe I just sort of randomly happened to type "And say we all Amen." Get with the damn program, folks. This guy is our brother, and he needs our help. How hard is it to say Amen? Prayer actually works, man.

Blogger pyrrhus August 14, 2016 11:47 AM  

Detroit has been an excellent test tube for virtually every kind of societal malfunction in the post-WW2 era.....

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 14, 2016 11:51 AM  

@117 In fairness, most of the forces destroying Nashville are outside the control of local politicians and are to some extent the result of its economic success. But the Feds making it a target for destruction via refugee resettlement didn't help. The city is down to about half white now and many of surrounding areas (Antioch, Murfreesboro) also have significant numbers of Mexicans and Muslims. My family has been here 200+ years but I now limit myself to shorter and shorter visits.

But everything is relative. By the standards of a US city, it is still one of the better ones so it will continue to attract parasites until it is destroyed.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 14, 2016 11:52 AM  

Sean Labat

Don't worry as much about the food. You can go a while without food. Water is the important thing. Filter and boil, filter and boil, filter and boil. Even water from mains and wells will be contaminated by heavy flooding.

Water – Bleach Ratio For Purifying Drinking Water
(5-6% Sodium Hypochlorite)
numbers are ’rounded’

1 Quart water, 2 drops bleach
1 Gallon water, 8 drops bleach
5 Gallons water, 1/2 teaspoon bleach
10 Gallons water, 1 teaspoon bleach
50 Gallons water, 5 teaspoons bleach



Water – Bleach Ratio For Purifying Drinking Water
(8.25% Sodium Hypochlorite)
numbers are ’rounded’

1 Quart water, 1 drop bleach
1 Gallon water, 5 drops bleach
5 Gallons water, 3/8 teaspoon bleach (or three 1/8th teaspoons)
10 Gallons water, 3/4 teaspoon bleach
50 Gallons water, 3.5 teaspoons bleach

Blogger pyrrhus August 14, 2016 11:55 AM  

@78 Yes, the majority of blacks voted for Eisenhower twice in the '50s. But when the civil rights revolution started, Democrats were quick to capitalize, even though all the segregationists were Democrats.....They don't call Republicans the Stupid party for nothing....

Anonymous gxg August 14, 2016 11:55 AM  

I'm from Michigan. Plenty of cities have been harmed by the downturn in the auto industry. But only black cities are unsafe sh*tholes. Forced school integration and low-income housing destroyed Detroit.

School bussing was a big factor, because even if your neighborhood was nice, they'd bus in thugs to terrorize your kids. Or they'd send your kids to dangerous neighborhoods to experience the joys of diversity. If you loved your kids, you moved to the suburbs.

I came upon this link several months ago. It has sliding-pix showing "before" and "after"-- mansions gone to ruins, school pix of fresh-face white kids, replaced by urban decay. Pix of riots. What startled me was the number of white people in the "before" pix.

Now, the whites are gone, and people wonder why the city's a dangerous wasteland.

Detroit: Some Startling Before & After Pix

Blogger Robert Divinity August 14, 2016 11:57 AM  

Nope a shitlib couple actually disproved that, one worked for cops the other for sect 8, they noticed the crime map and section 8 map matched with more total crime reported.

Excellent link, thanks. I still have to wonder if the public housing refugees settled close to one another in new neighborhoods, but no question they were more dispersed and still corrupted the places where they moved.

This ultimately makes for the argument to let the ghettos remain ghettos and no-go zones.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 14, 2016 12:02 PM  

"While there was a minimal difference in IQ between the two groups (children of a White US father and German Woman and children of a Black US father and German Woman) that is fully accounted for by the actual IQ characteristics"

For a while, I knew a bunch of black women who had white mothers and US GI black fathers, and the interesting thing to me was that they had reasonable IQ (sometimes noticeably high, other times just normal, but almost never sub-average) but absolutely no interest in white culture, which is easily and demonstrably superior. Sorry, John Lennon is just a better songwriter than Jay-Z. I remember making a fairly common joke about Mozart to a black girl who spoke German and was obviously very intelligent, and her reply was "I don't understand that. Black people simply don't care about white culture."

Blogger Escoffier August 14, 2016 12:04 PM  

Praying now Sean

Anonymous gxg August 14, 2016 12:06 PM  

Some particular pix to drive home the point.

Beautiful Mansions, Now Destroyed

And look at these neatly dressed, fresh-faced white kids. Hard to believe this was once Detroit.
Detroit's Highland Park High School: Class of 1955

Blogger Robert Divinity August 14, 2016 12:08 PM  

the forces destroying Nashville are outside the control of local politicians and are to some extent the result of its economic success

The English-only referendum failed due to local votes. Before the Obama Administration eliminated the local deportation program, city residents had turned against it and forced the sheriff to back peddle. Obviously federal mass migration policies are out of the hands of the local politicians but the mayor and council has embraced the "diversity."

But the Feds making it a target for destruction via refugee resettlement didn't help.

True but to my knowledge it wasn't met with local resistance-quite the opposite.

My family has been here 200+ years but I now limit myself to shorter and shorter visits.

My wife's family was part of the Roberston Expedition and originally were part of North Carolina colony. They aren't happy people now.

But everything is relative. By the standards of a US city, it is still one of the better ones so it will continue to attract parasites until it is destroyed.

My observation is it has been destroyed with the exception of isolated pockets on its periphery. An economic boom has masked the extent of the destruction. Nashville does have very low property tax rates but that will change dramatically once the boom ends and the locals start to get squeezed to pay for the largely non-English speaking school system.

Blogger Escoffier August 14, 2016 12:10 PM  

VD wrote:There's several other lines of evidence that would seem to indicate that the reasons are significantly cultural.

It's 2016, genetic science has advanced considerably, and you blank slatists are STILL cucking and making excuses for the low-IQ, short-time-preferenced peoples.

Just stop. It's all just intellectual cowardice. You were wrong. Deal with it. I understand reality offends your sense of decency and your ideal of equality, but that doesn't change what it is.

Race is culture is race. Culture is downstream from race, just as politics is downstream from culture. That doesn't mean there are no smart, cultured, decent Negroes or no idiot, barbarian, bestial whites.

How many times do I have to fucking explain what should be obvious?


I wonder how many of you blank slatists work in a non IQ selected environment with lots of vibrant diversity? I do, and I'm with the Boss. This shit is dead obvious to anyone with eyes. For goodness sake stop flogging this crap or go work in kitchens for a while. I have a feeling it will cure what ails ya.

Related: I am always astonished that so many military folk have no idea how much the military selects for I.Q.

Ironically it is one of the last true bastions of straight up open I.Q. testing so before you sputter but my NAM bunkmate...

Your bunkmate was highly I.Q. selected.

Anonymous BGKB August 14, 2016 12:11 PM  

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Blogger Ezekiel August 14, 2016 12:12 PM  

tz wrote:Another big factor was Coleman Young. Think Hillary Clinton with her foundation. He played the race card. But before that, cross town busing. Your child would be forced to ride a bus an hour each way to integrate a school. Whites left (including my parents). This included all the jews who were in favor of it.

Everyone who could leave left.

Detroit selected for corrupt cronies and welfare moms. Then tried games since the tax base eroded.

Something similar would happen if you had a pure white area that only wanted white single moms, had no jobs except for crony politicians (someone should check Arkansas).

West Virginia, anyone? Whitest state in the union, in a breakneck race to the bottom with the blackest one (Mississippi).

That is one solution to keeping your state relatively dindu-free. If you can't be rich enough to price them out of the housing market (Vermont/Hawaii), just be so poor (WV)—or stingy (Utah)—that there's no welfare for them.

All that said, I'd rather see West Virginia, Mississippi, or even Michigan dictating national policy than Vermont, Hawaii, or even Utah.

It is certianly true that it's in the interest of white people to have an upper-limit on the amount of niggotry tolerated in their societies, but maybe Nate is on to something when he says that too little of it can also be a problem.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2016 12:14 PM  

Black ethnostates should include NJ, unless NJ scraps its insane gun prohibitions.

Blogger Escoffier August 14, 2016 12:15 PM  

Jim Carroll wrote:There's several other lines of evidence that would seem to indicate that the reasons are significantly cultural. To name a few:

Black communities that self select for immigration without an expectation welfare support do markedly better. For example, though they make up 1% of the black population in the US, Nigerian immigrants make up 25% of the black population at Harvard.

Thomas Sowell, quotes a study by James Flynn on the IQ among the children of German women and American black soldiers after WW2 in which no appreciable difference could be measured between them and the general population.

Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and many others have shown that the progress of the black community in multiple social and fiscal respects was halted with the onset of the welfare state. The infantalization of any community subject to those pressures can be empirically demonstrated (again, Thomas Sowell has done this) including poor white communities.


Yeah, about that. I just worked under a Nigerian Chef for the last two years. Ahem, let me just say that I'm surprised he hasn't killed anybody, yet.

In my thirty year career I have worked under some true boneheads and this guy was hands down the worst. And every time I came upon him in a gaggle of Blacks he would be moaning about how hard it was for a Black man in America. This turd who was pulling down a very nice salary for being a double diversity hire.

So please spare me this nonsense. I love Tom Sowell but on race he is slightly less than useless.

Blogger Jim Carroll August 14, 2016 12:15 PM  

@129 Escoffer, "blank slatist" is an unfair characterization of me, though I am in an "IQ selected environment." Ignorant of the supporting evidence for the other side is a better characterization. Thanks for the references to date.

Anonymous Bob August 14, 2016 12:19 PM  

At this point, without the memorials it would be impossible to tell that Hiroshima or Nagasaki was ever decimated. Even the memorials look polished and new, to such a degree that when I returned to America everything looked dingy and old.

There's a pride and resilience to the Japanese that is glorious to behold.

Blogger Dave August 14, 2016 12:20 PM  

Prayers, Sean. A good reminder to always have nonperishables in the trunk of the car and a go-bag ready. Couple of jars of PB can make all the difference.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2016 12:20 PM  

"I am surprised to hear anyone defending Memphis."

no one is defending memphis. We've all said its a shit hole.

But all cities are shit holes. and the shit holeness of Memphis is significantly less than the shitholeness of Detroit. I lived in downtown Memphis. Riverside Drive to be specific. I know full well what kind of place it is. And it is no where nearly as bad as detroit.

In fact... in the last 10 years memphis has improved a great deal over what I would call its low point.. of say... 1997. Which was when the schools still didnt' have air conditioning because a black contractor had sued the city and had the whole process tied up in court for like 15 years.

how amazing is that by the way? Black kids having to be sent home from school at 11am because it was to hot in the buildings to keep them there. And the money to install the AC is sitting in an account ready to go.. but they can't spend it.. because a black man is holding up the process because he wants his own share of the pie.

All of this of course was white people's fault.

Blogger The Other Robot August 14, 2016 12:25 PM  

@129: But now the Marines are looking to Female High School sports teams hoping for some that can pass the strength tests.

Perhaps they have not realized that male high school soccer teams can beat women's soccer teams.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 14, 2016 12:32 PM  

If the consensus is that less than or equal to 10% black is the tipping point, and the USA overall is about 13%, then reversing the decline requiers one of only two possible solutions.
1. Reservations (ringed with razor wire, mine fields & pure resolve) or
2. The East Timor option.

Once the illusion of limitless resources yielded by the Credit Bubble evaporates, sentiment will likely be there, or it will be after a few cities burn due to Chimpout.

There won't be a Kerner Commission blaming whites this time. Been there already, and that path didn't work, now, did it?

Blogger S. Misanthrope August 14, 2016 12:37 PM  

Beat me to it! Thanks.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 14, 2016 12:41 PM  

But all cities are shit holes. and the shit holeness of Memphis is significantly less than the shitholeness of Detroit.

Marginally on the violent crime front. Detroit is first and Memphis is a close second.

Blogger ZhukovG August 14, 2016 12:48 PM  

I live in a moderate sized southern city. Like most cities in The South we have a significant Southern Black population. I am at times in the 'Black' neighborhoods and at no time have I felt the least bit intimidated.

Our city is clean and has a very low crime rate. A serious violent crime, even in the 'Black' neighborhoods, would be front page news.

Our city is also completely politically dominated by the White Southern population.

This is not to say that numbers don't matter, they do. But also the degree of control Blacks are given is also important.

Prior to the African-American Destruction Act (Civil Rights Act), Blacks had made great strides. But this was only possible while they were forced to adhere to norms of White civilization.

Now, what took generations to build has been all but lost in a few decades. If it is harder to build a civilization than to destroy one, how much harder to inculcate civilized behavior into the instinctively savage.

Blogger lowell houser August 14, 2016 12:50 PM  

Whatever the cause, there is NO WAY to save Detroit. It should be broken up into small towns with each local government allowed to do it's own thing.

Blogger S. Misanthrope August 14, 2016 12:53 PM  

Those Nigerian immigrants also use welfare almost as much as native blacks- about 50%.

Blogger tz August 14, 2016 12:55 PM  

Blacks are now a propositional nation, but one that celebrates vandalism, unwed motherhood, crime, and derides excellence and morality.

We have genetics, but also have free will.

The Pharisees were the smartest and outwardly most righteous Jews. Our lord called them whitewashed tombs, sons of the devil. Genetics does not save one (Descent from Abraham) nor circumcision.

It is ~125 IQ liberal whites who wrecked and are wrecking the country.

I point this out because the symptoms are in themselves clearly evil that arguing causes - which often can't be addressed easily, quickly, if at all - is a form of virtue signaling.

The right question is how do we remove the barbarians in our midst. Black, white (in their gated communities), or blue (behind the thin line).

Barbarian free in '23 - a 7 year program?

I don't care why. Either ACT civilized in public, or leave (or get pushed).

The problem is the gay pride porn parades are as bad as the uncivil rights marches like last night in Milwaukee, and I can list other things. Divorce was one of the slow but fatal diseases Rome fell to.

Blacks might be weaker, but can imitate and follow good examples by the stronger. Yet it is whites celebrating the utter destruction of morality among the black community. Ben Carson and Sheriff Clarke call Hillary evil. Hillary calls BLM good. And whites are imitating the worst in black "culture".

Even if some dread disease eliminated 95% of the black population, it wouldn't restore western civilization.

Blogger kurt9 August 14, 2016 1:09 PM  

I noticed some of you mentioned Atlanta. I was there for two weeks in July of '14, on-site in what was essentially an all-black environment. This was south of the I-20, which is essentially all black. It is not only the city itself that is mostly black, but more than half of the entire metro area is black, including everything south of the I-20, which runs east-west.

Atlanta seems functional to me, although I would not be comfortable living there. It is considered the black "Mecca" because of its functionality. Perhaps Atlanta is in the early stages of decay and will, infact, be like Detroit around 2040 or so. Perhaps some of you are from Atlanta and can comment on this.

Houston (where I go later this year) is also considered another rising black "Mecca". Anyone here from Houston who can comment?

Anonymous gxg August 14, 2016 1:13 PM  

Whatever the cause, there is NO WAY to save Detroit. It should be broken up into small towns with each local government allowed to do it's own thing.

This would only work if the locals had complete control. Let's say, for example, these smaller "cities" were allowed to incorporate as diversity-free zones (or even, let's say, welfare-recipient free zones). The schools would be good, and the neighborhoods would be safe. You could even build perimeter walls to keep out crime.

But here's the problem: The feds. As soon as you created something nice, they'd infest your city with Section-8 housing and forced diversity, along with all the "joys" that come with it.

Even when Detroit was above the 10% diversity threshold, it was still a decent place to live, because there were distinct neighborhoods, with their own schools.

Where I live now, my city is about 25% black. However, certain zip codes are still very white, with very low crime and good schools. Guess where the Feds are putting Section-8 housing? They're also messing with our school zones, and we can do very little to fight it, especially considering much of this falls under the Obama administration's Justice Department.

Blogger Mountain Man August 14, 2016 1:13 PM  

The state of Maine has been devastated by NAFTA, GATT, MFN For China etc. The job loss, over the last twenty years, in the manufacturing portion of the forest products industry - has been staggering. Dozens of formerly functioning communities have been reduced to ghost towns.
Yet despite this - the communities don't look like Dresden Germany after the bombings. They still function - albeit anemically.
Why? - The demographic, until recently, has been relatively homogenous. Mostly white ( French Canadian/Scotch Irish)
However, in the last 8 years things are beginning to change. Dindus from the cities in New York are settling into former mill communities to live off welfare, to sell drugs and fuck the dirt poor native girls.. Also turd world immigrants have been brought in from such illustrious shit holes like Somalia . Needless to say, you are now seeing violent crime being added to the girding poverty.
Prior to the influx of vibrant diversity the local folks just had to contend with eking out a living against the odds but now they need to worry about their personal safety and violent crime.
This past winter the governor of the state said the following:

“These are guys with the name D-Money, Smoothie, Shifty – these types of guys – they come from Connecticut and New York, they come up here, they sell their heroin, they go back home,” LePage told a large crowd. “Incidentally, half the time they impregnate a young white girl before they leave, which is a real sad thing because then we have another issue we have to deal with down the road.”

The SJW types in the media and academia had to retreat to their safe spaces for the nest month - they were so triggered.
You would thought the guy said he enjoys barbecuing small babies for lunch. To me ( and most other non leftists ) what he said was spot on.

Blogger Ezekiel August 14, 2016 1:17 PM  

The Other Robot wrote:@129: But now the Marines are looking to Female High School sports teams hoping for some that can pass the strength tests.

Perhaps they have not realized that male high school soccer teams can beat women's soccer teams.

I could see some sound reasoning behind that kind of recruitment, depending on what exactly you want them for. Psychiatric studies show that women are far more likely than men to disobey unjust orders, and they also show that most teenagers profile as sociopaths (any experience teaching or parenting confirms this). I think I once suggested to Tom Kratman that a girl's soccer team is one of the best ready-made death squads you could ever ask for.

Anonymous George of the Jungle August 14, 2016 1:20 PM  

You don't think the dindus will voluntarily migrate to, say, lower Michigan, if a new executive order says their EBT cards won't work anywhere else?

And why pick on Michigan? Because it's already got a head start with Detroit, so might as well complete the process. All the whites can move to the upper peninsula, and our centuries-old NEGRO problem will finally be solved.

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 14, 2016 1:23 PM  

Not ALL of the downtown and major areas are untouched. There's a picture-book out there of shots taken in what used to be many beautiful and prestigious buildings - schools, libraries, etc. - that are now wrecked, abandoned, not even repurposed.

It's fucking sad.

Blogger Sheila4g August 14, 2016 1:28 PM  

I'm going to draw lots of fire (if anyone is still reading/commenting on this thread) and just state that all these arguments against Vox's points (it was the politicians! it was the loss of jobs! it was the concentration! it was the family structure! it was the democrats!) perfectly replicate Louise Mensch's arguments about marital rape.

You all are looking for exceptions and special conditions which ameliorate the situation, but NONE of them change the basic principle. As Vox stated and has been observed in all centuries and continents, Negroes on the whole are afflicted by low IQs, minimal future time orientation, and high levels of violence. These are HBD proven facts. Various exceptions do NOT change them. In most cases, having the fathers around provides the sons a better criminal role model and teacher. Plenty of data demonstrating they would much rather have welfare than $15 an hour jobs. The only "jobs" they might consent to involve wearing a suit, carrying an empty briefcase, and getting a big check. Cargo cult concept of wealth creation. As BGKB also noted (I was aware of the study but didn't have the link), dispersal is irrelevant.

Yes, with a limited number of functional Negroes, minimal social safety net, strong social sanctions and criminal punishments and an assertive White political and culture leadership cadre, a certain number of places can function. But even with all these constraints in place, one is controlling and containing a nature that nurture cannot and does not alter.

Principles, people. Exceptions and explanations don't change them. Diversity + proximity = war.

Blogger Ezekiel August 14, 2016 1:31 PM  

Mountain Man wrote:The state of Maine has been devastated by NAFTA, GATT, MFN For China etc. The job loss, over the last twenty years, in the manufacturing portion of the forest products industry - has been staggering. Dozens of formerly functioning communities have been reduced to ghost towns.

Yet despite this - the communities don't look like Dresden Germany after the bombings. They still function - albeit anemically.

Why? - The demographic, until recently, has been relatively homogenous. Mostly white ( French Canadian/Scotch Irish)

However, in the last 8 years things are beginning to change. Dindus from the cities in New York are settling into former mill communities to live off welfare, to sell drugs and fuck the dirt poor native girls.. Also turd world immigrants have been brought in from such illustrious shit holes like Somalia . Needless to say, you are now seeing violent crime being added to the girding poverty.

Prior to the influx of vibrant diversity the local folks just had to contend with eking out a living against the odds but now they need to worry about their personal safety and violent crime.

This past winter the governor of the state said the following:

“These are guys with the name D-Money, Smoothie, Shifty – these types of guys – they come from Connecticut and New York, they come up here, they sell their heroin, they go back home,” LePage told a large crowd. “Incidentally, half the time they impregnate a young white girl before they leave, which is a real sad thing because then we have another issue we have to deal with down the road.”

The SJW types in the media and academia had to retreat to their safe spaces for the nest month - they were so triggered.

You would thought the guy said he enjoys barbecuing small babies for lunch. To me ( and most other non leftists ) what he said was spot on.

We're seeing the same thing in the northern parts of Georgia and Alabama. Dindus from Birmingham and Atlanta move up there, the higher-functioning ones get jobs helping the local tax office squeeze productive white people while the rest end up selling drugs. Each one of them gets a little white slut, convinced by the Electric Jew that there's no better accessory for her than a little brown bastard. You can't go to the county fairs or local rodeos anymore without seeing these tattooed zombie freaks and their demon spawn.

Funny thing is that it's always in areas that used to be lily-white. You don't see that in places where the whites have lived alongside niggers long enough to know what a bad idea it is to have their babies. I don't know what we're going to do about this; can't live with them, won't live long without them.

Blogger Mountain Man August 14, 2016 1:31 PM  

@ 113
All it takes is one bite from a deer tick ( mature or nymph) and there is 70% chance that they will come down with Lyme Disease & Babieosis. Both will knock the individual flat within one week of the bite.
Here in the northeast deer ticks are everywhere.
Walking through a grassy area ( unprotected) on your way to looting will guarantee a tick bite or two.

Anonymous FP August 14, 2016 1:32 PM  

Nate: "All the white people just left.

And they didn't leave because of the black people. They left because the jobs all left.

Between 1950 and 1980 Detroit lost almost 40% of its population. And for most of that time it was majority white."

Uh, no. The 1967 riots were a big motivator for white flight, far more so than jobs going away. The Big3 collapsing in the 70s-80s just made things worse and then you get Coleman elected.

Oh, and there was a race riot in 1943 Detroit too.

Blogger Mountain Man August 14, 2016 1:34 PM  

...errr meant @ 112 - BKGB

Blogger Ezekiel August 14, 2016 1:39 PM  

Sheila4g wrote:I'm going to draw lots of fire (if anyone is still reading/commenting on this thread) and just state that all these arguments against Vox's points (it was the politicians! it was the loss of jobs! it was the concentration! it was the family structure! it was the democrats!) perfectly replicate Louise Mensch's arguments about marital rape.

You all are looking for exceptions and special conditions which ameliorate the situation, but NONE of them change the basic principle. As Vox stated and has been observed in all centuries and continents, Negroes on the whole are afflicted by low IQs, minimal future time orientation, and high levels of violence. These are HBD proven facts. Various exceptions do NOT change them. In most cases, having the fathers around provides the sons a better criminal role model and teacher. Plenty of data demonstrating they would much rather have welfare than $15 an hour jobs. The only "jobs" they might consent to involve wearing a suit, carrying an empty briefcase, and getting a big check. Cargo cult concept of wealth creation. As BGKB also noted (I was aware of the study but didn't have the link), dispersal is irrelevant.

Yes, with a limited number of functional Negroes, minimal social safety net, strong social sanctions and criminal punishments and an assertive White political and culture leadership cadre, a certain number of places can function. But even with all these constraints in place, one is controlling and containing a nature that nurture cannot and does not alter.

Principles, people. Exceptions and explanations don't change them. Diversity + proximity = war.

Pretty much.

I don't really like the idea of digging up great-grandaddy's bedsheets with the eye-holes in them, but the more thought I give on it the more I have to conclude that it might be the less extreme of all the options available.

Anonymous gxg August 14, 2016 1:42 PM  

If we spayed and neutered welfare-recipients, it would go a long way in fixing the problem -- not in our lifetimes, perhaps. But it would surely improve things for our posterity.

Blogger Ty from GR August 14, 2016 1:43 PM  

First time commenting on this site so I need to figure out how to get a username, but about Detroit....

I grew up on the west side of the state (guns, god, beaches, hot tall blonde girls.... pretty much everything nice you see from Michigan), and most of Detroit and it's suburbs are absolute godawful hell holes. Just terrible, terrible places - downtown for a few blocks is okay but just would stay away from most of the city and the burbs.

If you're ever moving to this state - definitely stick with either West Michigan or Northern Michigan. I live in GR and for cities it's pretty nice aside from the obvious dindu neighborhoods.

Kind of an ironic thing, but the best burger in the whole state is in Muhammad-land (Dearborn) it's called Miller's, all cash, no menus and is the absolute shit.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 14, 2016 1:46 PM  

L' Aristokrato wrote:a choice must be made between Blacks or civilization; We cannot have both.
You can have Blacks and civilization if you dispense with Black equality and suffrage.  The problem is keeping it that way.

WATYF wrote:How much of this is due to the collapse of the US auto industry?
How much of the collapse of the US auto industry is due to incompetent, entitled, unfireable-due-to-union-contract Blacks?

clk wrote:The real problem imho is that the current population doesnt have the skills to build something on the wreckage of detroit... thats the real issue ....
The current population of Detroit is 48% functional illliterate and complains about lack of streetlights but doesn't have the brains to stop their children from stealing the copper from them.

It would be fairly simple to revitalize substantial areas of Detroit.  It already has water, sewer, gas and electric service in fairly good or easy-to-fix shape.  Just build walls and moats around abandoned blocks, slap down a fresh layer of blacktop on the streets and bring in mobile homes for the empty lots.  Make people BUY their mobile homes, no rentals; that would keep Section Ape out.  Expel people for any sort of crime against public order.

Instantly you would have a high-functioning population, relatively crime-free, owing next to no taxes to the corrupt city (mobile homes are not taxable real estate in Michigan).  And they'd have the vote.

Hrw-500 wrote:That reminds me of one guy who taked the pen name of Paul Kersey
I mostly follow VP through his blogroll.

Nate wrote:The black population in detoit actually doesn't appear to have grown that much.

All the white people just left.

Not true.  White people were driven out by a refusal to fight street crime (one of Coleman Young's campaign promises was to disband STRESS, which had made a substantial cut in robberies) and direct racial attacks like arson.  When your neighbor gets a firebomb through their living room window during a Hogan's Heroes rerun, it makes the theoretical very, very real and urgent.

The fight against Detroit's STRESS unit was the first incarnation of BLM.  The objection was that Black robbers were being shot and killed when they attempted to rob the decoys.  Fast-forward 4 decades, they're the same only more militant and entitled.

Blogger Ezekiel August 14, 2016 1:47 PM  

gxg wrote:If we spayed and neutered welfare-recipients, it would go a long way in fixing the problem -- not in our lifetimes, perhaps. But it would surely improve things for our posterity.
That's actually a really good idea...

"Don't call it eugenics, call it spay-and-release for humans!"

Blogger bob k. mando August 14, 2016 1:48 PM  

VD
Note that this is the most favorable possible comparison for Detroit, as the 1945 Hiroshima population is post-bombing and is based upon the smallest reported casualty count.



this is an inaccurate assessment of the facts as presented. the "most favorable possible comparison for Detroit" would be a comparison that MINIMIZED the Hiroshima population growth post-bomb or maximized Detroit growth / minimized Detroit loss.

iow, pre-bombing Hiroshima population numbers should have been compared.

according to la wiki:
for Hiroshima - "The population before the bombing was around 340,000 to 350,000.
As of 2006, the city had an estimated population of 1,154,391"
for a growth factor of x 3.3


for Nagasaki - "On the day of the nuclear strike ... was estimated to be 263,000"
currently - As of 1 January 2009, the city has an estimated population of 446,007

for a growth factor of x 1.7

so the fact is still demonstrated, a city getting enriched with uranium results in long term population growth whilst getting enriched with negroes destroys population carrying ability.


hrm.

Anonymous crushlimbraw August 14, 2016 1:53 PM  

"Economics professor Walter E. Williams writes: "According to the 1938 Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences, that year 11 percent of black children and 3 percent of white children were born to unwed mothers." In mid-1960s America, the nation's out-of-wedlock birth rate (which stood at 7.7 percent at the time) began a rapid and relentless climb across all demographic lines, a climb that would continue unabated until 1994, when the Welfare Reform Act helped put the brakes on that trend. Today the overall American illegitimacy rate is about 40.7 percent (29.1 percent for non-Hispanic whites). For blacks, it is about 72 percent—approximately three times the level of black illegitimacy that existed when the War on Poverty began in 1964." - when you create more bastards, those bastards will come back to haunt you - but of course we avert our gaze at the cause to focus on the effects.
Break up the family and all these things will come upon you - as predictable as the rising and setting sun.
Yeah, but we need more studies - they say!

Blogger eharmonica August 14, 2016 1:55 PM  

Leslie Ann Warren....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9tXzQFQ0b8

And then this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5lamUHyzu8

Anonymous Takin' a Look August 14, 2016 1:56 PM  

Prayers

Blogger Scott August 14, 2016 1:58 PM  

and then you get Coleman elected.

Boom.

Stage 4 dinduification: when the dindu spreads to political office. Terminal dindu.

Coleman Young invented new levels of corruption and thuggery and, of course, utter ignorance.

To be fair, the UAW is probably at least as responsible for the destruction of Détroit. Unions, especially that union, are a special kind of cancer.


Blogger Robert Divinity August 14, 2016 1:59 PM  

As BGKB also noted (I was aware of the study but didn't have the link), dispersal is irrelevant.

To be clear, Sheila, I didn't think dispersal would mitigate the genetic factors. I just assumed elimination of the infrastructure to support crime and the other pathologies found in concentrated areas would decrease their prevalence. The link BGKB provided demonstrated this to be wrong, and also made me return to why exactly I find no-go zones and self-segregation to be good things. I'm not impervious to evidence and it also helped that the link made me analyze from the different perspective and go in the direction where I've always been on other closely related issues.

Blogger GoodShipG August 14, 2016 2:00 PM  

For years I've been wondering what's up with blacks and Christianity. Huge percentages claim to be Christian and yet huge percentages of single motherhood and abortions and murders. What's with that? Is it a different Christianity?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 14, 2016 2:02 PM  

Does one really have to care about blacks? The more racialism I see from blacks the less I care about them as a whole and I suspect on some level the rest of humanity has much the same tack as I do in regards to blacks. On some level it must be about blacks putting themselves inside the warm embrace of Political Correctness and beyond inquiry, that goes for any SJW cause dejure or grouplet.

Blogger Bob Roddis August 14, 2016 2:04 PM  

I lived in Detroit 1951 to 1953. I lived in the suburbs just south of 10 Mile Rd. 1953 to 1978. I’ve lived in Grosse Pointe Farms a block and a half from the Detroit border since 1978. Rothbardian privatization could have prevented and cured a lot of Detroit’s ills.

1. White people were run out of town because they could be sued for refusing to sell to blacks. They had to pay taxes to support the hideous Detroit public school system. There is no way they would send their kids to mostly black schools.

2. Welfare and the drug war provided inner city blacks ways to make a living outside of normal bourgeois behavior.

3. The government dug ditches via eminent domain and paved freeways out to the suburbs where whites could move.

4. Middle class blacks ran out of town too to safer ring suburbs.

5..A new attempt to set up a private subdivision with private streets, sidewalks and schools within the city boundaries that practiced vetting and discrimination and where one didn’t have to pay for Detroit government or schools would be run out of town before noon the first day it is announced.

Conclusion: A great majority of the citizens of Michigan prefer the current situation to a private property/contractual solution.

Blogger Billy August 14, 2016 2:04 PM  

"Our city is clean and has a very low crime rate. A serious violent crime, even in the 'Black' neighborhoods, would be front page news." I would love to visit this mystical city with safe black neighborhoods. I live 30 minutes from Columbus Ga, A small to medium sized southern city, and there are front page covers weekly of black crime.

Blogger The Other Robot August 14, 2016 2:09 PM  

@149:

Psychiatric studies show that women are far more likely than men to disobey unjust orders, and they also show that most teenagers profile as sociopaths (any experience teaching or parenting confirms this). I think I once suggested to Tom Kratman that a girl's soccer team is one of the best ready-made death squads you could ever ask for.

Somehow I think you have one too many negatives in there. Did you mean to say that studies show that women are far more likely to obey unjust orders?

Blogger pyrrhus August 14, 2016 2:09 PM  

The real question these days: are Muslims worse than blacks?

Blogger Noah B August 14, 2016 2:30 PM  

The cuckservative response is that it is Democrat rule, or socialist governing principles, not blacks, who are responsible.

San Francisco and Seattle are still prospering despite near-total dominance of socialist governing principles. It must be something else.

Blogger seeingsights August 14, 2016 2:39 PM  

Vox Day asks: What should be done about it? I don't know.

I live in Chicago, and white mayors (Rahm Emmanuel, and Daley before him) quietly allowed gentrification. Today, there are swathes of Chicago hardly better than Detroit. However, there are other areas like San Francisco. People who can't afford the cost of living move out.
This is from the Chicago Tribune:
"The 2010 census reported a 17 percent drop in the city's black population over the previous decade. That number declined another an additional 4 percent through 2014, to 852,756."
It is too late to save Detroit by gentrification.








Blogger Josh August 14, 2016 2:40 PM  

The real question these days: are Muslims worse than blacks?

Yes

Blogger Andy Texan August 14, 2016 3:07 PM  

Blacks are not the cause of the decline of civilization (as posited by this essay). Blacks are the effect of the decline caused by Leftism. Black behavior when tightly controlled (such as by Jim Crow) had no ill effect. Only when released from the 'chains' of proper behavior by Left wing politics do they cause havoc. So the answer is to detroy the Left wing in all our institutions. Clearly this might be constued as against constitutional rights so expect only continued descent to chaos. Black behavior and also Moslem behavior is being used as the hammer to break up the edifice of Western Civilization. We post WWII generation are the last to enjoy its bounties.

Blogger bob k. mando August 14, 2016 3:08 PM  

80. Josh August 14, 2016 10:30 AM
I stand corrected.



the California stats aren't even all that surprising when you think about it. the de-Negrofication of Compton is one of the most notorious "not news" stories out there.

Blogger Noah B August 14, 2016 3:17 PM  

Ethnic cleansing of blacks by hispanics must be much more common than is widely known among whites. For the most part, this doesn't involve killing. One example: a group of hispanic neighbors gets tired of the constant noise, crime, and police presence caused by a black household. So they get together, tell them they need to be gone by the end of the weekend, and the blacks comply.

Blogger bob k. mando August 14, 2016 3:25 PM  

168. GoodShipG August 14, 2016 2:00 PM
Is it a different Christianity?




churchianity.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+3%3A14-19&version=KJV

Blogger praetorian August 14, 2016 3:31 PM  

The Beginnings

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With lots of cucking and clucking,
When the normies began to hate.

They were always easily moved,
They always fell for the bait
But after spending some time on /pol/,
the normies began to hate.

They were OK with affirmative action,
Rolled their eyes as fags married like straights.
But then came the BLM riots,
And the normies began to hate.

It was preached against in their churches,
It was frantically fought by the State.
No normie spoke it aloud,
When the normies began to hate.

It was not in his mom's basement,
There were no tendies on his plate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When kek shall count from the date
That the normies began to hate.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 14, 2016 3:36 PM  

The real question these days: are Muslims worse than blacks?

The answer is, yes. Islam is fundamentally incompatible with the Western Civilization.

The Muslims tried being Westerners themselves for a while and guess what? It didn't take.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 14, 2016 3:37 PM  

The problem with all of the West's urban areas are that they have been turned into concentration camps for useless mouths to feed.

Blogger Nate August 14, 2016 3:44 PM  

"Not true. White people were driven out by a refusal to fight street crime (one of Coleman Young's campaign promises was to disband STRESS, which had made a substantial cut in robberies) and direct racial attacks like arson. "

Did this start in 1950?

Because if this didn't start in 1950... you're full of shit.

Blogger Gravedigger August 14, 2016 3:47 PM  

I live in a place where they make up 5%. Still a lot of distinction: 50% of all property crime, 50%+ of all violent crime, 89% of all interracial violence, etc. Max out at 2%.

Blogger Gravedigger August 14, 2016 3:50 PM  

I live in a place where they make up 5%. Still a lot of distinction: 50% of all property crime, 50%+ of all violent crime, 89% of all interracial violence, etc. Max out at 2%.

Blogger Noah B August 14, 2016 4:01 PM  

In 1940 blacks made up 35% of the population of Atlanta. Today they're 54%. The increase in black population is Atlanta has been slow and steady. In Detroit, the growth was explosive: from 1940 to 1960, the increase in black population in Detroit was approximately equal to the current total black population of Atlanta.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 14, 2016 4:09 PM  

"Are blacks worse than atomic bombs?"

Yes, of course. You had to ask?

Contemplating blacks, Mexicans, Muslims and Dots puts me in mind of The Walking Dead. I won't go into the particulars.

Two things always struck me as weird about The Walking Dead...

1) The show was set in Georgia, but nearly all the zombies are white. Huh?
2) Everybody on the show acts like they've never ever seen a damn zombie movie, and this stuff isn't at all familiar. Huh?

Blogger Noah B August 14, 2016 4:11 PM  

"The show was set in Georgia, but nearly all the zombies are white. Huh?"

White Zombie privilege.

Blogger ace August 14, 2016 4:12 PM  

I live in Greensboro, NC, which is 40% black, and while black neighborhoods sometimes aren't nice to look at, it's not a dilapidated war zone. I don't get the sense, walking around, that Southern blacks have the same chip on their shoulder that Northern ones do.

Critical mass might depend on local factors of culture and geography. It could be up to 50%.

Anonymous Aphelion August 14, 2016 4:30 PM  

Just watched Molyneux' take on the Milwaukee riots. He covers the history of the African-American community in an informative and succinct fashion. Through early 1960s the African American community was growing in wealth and education, had stable families and relatively low illegitimacy rates. With the passing of LBJ's welfare programs, which I think he said have cost us $16T so far, all of that changed. The government subsidized illegitimacy and divorce by offering welfare checks to single mothers. Illegitimacy, fatherless children skyrocketed in the African-American community. This eventually led to increased criminal behavior and violence.

Something he doesn't mention is the deterioration of morality in the US since the Supreme Court decisions of 1962 & 1963 to ban prayer and Bible reading in school. Couple that with the Great Society programs and it is no wonder that things began to fall apart. The African American community was hardest hit, but the effects have impacted other communities as well. Our modern and post-modern eras have seen the destruction of faith in return for good feels and Coexist bumper stickers.

He points out that these people live government run lives. They go to government pre-schools and schools, they eat government subsidized lunches, their parents feed them with govt food stamps, many live in govt housing, etc. The liberal government failed to provide the structure and incentive the community needed to grow and be healthy. It then subsidized destructive behavior and some wonder what went wrong.

Blogger The Other Robot August 14, 2016 4:41 PM  

Late 2016, Zika combines with Ebola to form the Zombification virus.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 14, 2016 4:44 PM  

@38

"There was NOT a large influx."

BS. You would be very hard pressed to find a black family in Detroit [or the suburbs] whose ancestors were all living in Detroit as of 1960.

Northern blacks generally maintained their homes, and their cars. Southern blacks not only don't maintain or repair anything they own, they won't even pick up the phone to tell an apartment manager or landlord that there's a leaky roof or pipe -- then pretty soon (within, say, 2-3 years of Detroit winters) the entire structure is uninhabitable without repairs that are more expensive than the building is worth.

The destruction of Detroit was NOT an accident. Detroit was assassinated by Communists (using southern blacks as the weapon), because they just could not STAND a city where the typical blue-collar worker had a better income AND lifestyle than the highest level Commie commissars in the Kremlin -- Detroit was LITERALLY making a mockery of Marx's moronic musings.

Blogger Mountain Man August 14, 2016 4:49 PM  

We interrupt this broadcast to report on what (( He )) is up to:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/12/globalists-unite-hillary-clinton-running-mate-tim-kaine-dines-george-soros-son-donald-trumps-rise-terrifies-world-elite/

Is it just me or does his spawn bear a striking resemblance to Jeffrey Dahmer?

OpenID joeholocaust August 14, 2016 4:54 PM  

@188 I watch The Walking Dead and have noticed that and more. It seems that villains esp. villain leaders are exclusively white while blacks are almost all good guys. To be fair, this is general practise in other shows where the contrast is glaring with cop shows like Law+Order SVU (+ related fictional dramas) with all black criminals and then First 48 and such with all murders committed by blacks or Hispanics.

Blogger Wormwood August 14, 2016 5:00 PM  

If the decline of Detroit can be attributed to Democratic policies alone, then why hasn't San Francisco suffered the same fate? Look at the pictures of the administration, and you'll see. The administration of Detroit is all black, but the administration of SF is mixed, with white and Asian playing a large role.

Anonymous St. Cecilia August 14, 2016 5:04 PM  

"The real problem imho is that ..."

LOL. The real problem was identified by Earl Butz in 1971.

OpenID joeholocaust August 14, 2016 5:10 PM  

The destruction of Detroit was NOT an accident. Detroit was assassinated by Communists (using southern blacks as the weapon), because they just could not STAND a city where the typical blue-collar worker had a better income AND lifestyle than the highest level Commie commissars in the Kremlin -- Detroit was LITERALLY making a mockery of Marx's moronic musings.

This is almost exactly what Marxists would say. Marxists today know that 'Marxism' is discredited so they continue to promote their globalist ideology covertly. They would not want Detroit, a majority black city to fail because they know that most people will not believe it was caused by some shadowy communist figures when the obvious cause is that blacks are simply unfit to survive in and help to maintain a functioning civilization. After all, what are Zimbabwe, Haiti and numerous other examples other than Detroit writ large with a few more years post colonialism to play with. Does anyone believe that they would have worked better if not for the machinations of evil communists ... or evil white men as black Marxists claim?

Blogger Chris Mallory August 14, 2016 5:16 PM  

joeholocaust wrote:It seems that villains esp. villain leaders are exclusively white while blacks are almost all good guys.

Would you really believe a black as a credible "super" villain or evil leader? Blacks are strictly bush league threats. Plotting and planning requires an IQ of more than 85.

Even in the James Bond movie with a black adversary the blacks weren't concerned with controlling the world's gold, destroying the world, using super weapons to extort billions. They wanted to move heroin into Harlem. Bush league all the way.

Would you have bought Hans Gruber as Tyrone Jefferson?

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