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Sunday, August 28, 2016

(((Cathy Young))) critiques the #AltRight

Or to be more specific, my 16 points about the Alt-Right, in an article called "The Unbearable Dumbness of Being Alt-Right".
Unlike my friend Louise Mensch, I'm not very keen on the idea of polemics with Vox Day. In my view, it has about as much value as opening a correspondence with that lawyer who emails offering to make you the heir to his recently deceased childless client if you agree to split up the $100 million
A little rhetorical signaling is never a bad idea. She's too kind, actually, since correspondence with that lawyer is considerably less likely to result in the methodical evisceration of your intellectual pretensions and the exposure of your sophistry and false syllogisms. The important thing here is that she's attempting to simultaneously disqualify and explain away why she's doing something she claims to be of no value. This is conventional female rhetoric meant to create feelbad; one often sees gamma males utilizing it as well.
But the alt-right is suddenly the hot political topic of the day and is said to be Donald Trump's hardcore base, and Vox -- a.k.a. sci-fi writer, publisher and blogger GIVEN NAME -- is apparently one of its ideologues. Now, he has a blogpost discussing "what the alt-right is" with a 16-point outline of a "core alt-right philosophy." (Disappointingly, there's nothing in it about marital rape or keeping women out of college because too much schooling keeps them from breeding. But hey, according to GIVEN NAME, it's an early draft.)
See, she's just going with the flow, apparently. She, certainly doesn't think the Alt-Right is important, much less me, but since it's the hot topic of the day and all, she'll reluctantly play along. Discredit and disqualify. More rhetorical signaling. Then, interestingly enough, a projected fear of exposure. Did you know that "Cathy Young" is actually (((Ekaterina Jung)))? It turns out that of the 16 points, the ones that most bother her are 4, 5, 7, and 10. Especially 10, which states:

10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
Somebody should do an alt-right Jeopardy skit. "I'll take 'ethnic identities' for $500, Vox." -- "Non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in society through nepotism, tribalism, or by other means." -- "What are Jews?" - "DING!"
The Jews are certainly one of many such groups, as they are known to have obtained excessive influence in the Soviet Union before doing the same in the USA. (((Ekaterina))) herself is an example of that population transfer from the USSR to the USA. But there are also the examples of the British in India, the Chinese in Indonesia and Malaysia, the French in Algeria, the Indians in Fiji, the Lebanese in West Africa, the Tamils in Sri Lanka, the Japanese in Brazil, the Normans in England, and many, many others.

Point 10 is not a targeted matter of anti-Jewish or anti-Tamil prejudice. Thomas Sowell, who has written about the danger of overly influential minorities himself, cites Amy Chua's book World on Fire, in pointing out that democracy and free markets "are dangerous in those countries where some ethnic minority is dominant in a free market economy, while the majority population dominates politics through their votes."

If (((Ekaterina))) could pull her head out of her ample Jewish ass long enough to look at the rest of the world, she would realize that everything is not, in fact, about her own little ethnic identity. Non-native ethnic minorities that obtain excessive influence in a society reliably tend to trigger violent ethnic conflict, in Asia, in Africa, in Europe, and in the Americas.

Moreover, one wonders on what grounds she would defend the domination of a native ethnic majority by a foreign ethnic minority. The White Man's Burden? Money makes right? But she is merely pointing-and-shrieking, she's not even attempting to provide any rationale for the positions that her critique implies.
No. 15 is an amusing attempt to avoid the unpleasant "white supremacist" label (even though Vox assures us that "The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it"). But it seems to contradict No. 4 just a tad. If Western culture is the pinnacle of human achievement and culture is inseparable from genetic heritage, then isn't the superiority of the white race a logical conclusion? (For what it's worth, I suspect that not only most mainstream conservatives and libertarians but many liberals would agree with Vox's estimation of Western culture while emphatically rejecting his equation of culture with genetics.)
There is no attempt to avoid the "white supremacist" label that (((Ekaterina))) and other opponents of the Alt-Right are so desperate to pin on it. I am an Anglo-Aztec-American Indian who is genetically superior to 99 percent of all blacks on the track and intellectually superior to 99 percent of all whites and Jews, so I'm not inclined towards white supremacy myself. Most of the Alt Right is pro-white and pro-Western Civilization, but it is not white supremacist for the obvious reason that it does not believe racial supremacy exists any more than equality does.

(((Ekaterina))) engages in a little Talmudry here by attempting to substitute a general claim of "supremacy" for a specific form of "superiority". Her syllogism is incorrect. If Western culture is the pinnacle of human achievement and culture is inseparable from genetic heritage, this does not indicate white supremacy, but rather, the necessity of the continued existence of white people if Western culture is to be preserved. 4 does not contradict 15, it explains 14.

The white race is observably superior at creating and maintaining Western culture, just as the Japanese race is superior at creating and maintaining Japanese culture. I have lived in Japan, I have studied its culture, and I even used to speak pretty good Japanese, but I do not understand it sufficiently well to be better able to maintain it or recreate it than a native Japanese, or even a sansei in Brazil, the Philippines, or the United States.

But (((Ekaterina))) is merely playing word games, as she undermines her own false logic in the very next sentence.
An even more salient point, however, is that Western culture is essentially a mongrel culture. To sing plaudits to Western culture while singing the virtues of unmolested ethnic homogeneity is a bit like holding a charity dinner for the promotion of vegetarianism at the Ruth Chris Steakhouse. In a macro sense, Western culture as we know it is the product of the cross-breeding of Christianity, a religion imported from a certain Middle Eastern nation -- or, as the alt-right would put it, (((Christianity))) -- with Graeco-Roman civilization. By the way, Christianity explicitly proclaims the triumph of universalism over ethnic tribalism, or does Vox's copy of the Bible somehow miss Galatians 3:28? (That would be the "neither Jew nor Greek" part.)

Of course, Graeco-Roman civilization was itself a rich and varied stew of ethnic and cultural elements. And once we get to European history as such, it's a history of constant migrations, conquests, shifting borders, and colonialism which meant the import of both people and ideas from outside Europe. Where in Europe was there genetic ethnic purity, long before current migration trends? (Okay, maybe in Finland.) So much for science and history.
(((Ekaterina))) is as ignorant of science and history as she is of Christianity. Western culture is, by no means, "a mongrel culture". It is the combination of the European nations with Christianity, which is why another, older name for Western Civilization is "Christendom". The Alt-Right is neither Nietzschean nor historical National Socialism, and we do not equate Christianity with "Jewish Bolshevism or call it (((Christianity))). Christianity is not Judaism and "Judeo-Christianity" is a 20th century anti-Christian invention that was an ecumenical product of post-WWII Holocaustianity.

She engages in more deceptive Talmudry when she claims that "Christianity explicitly proclaims the triumph of universalism over ethnic tribalism". That is an outright lie, which is one reason why she does not cite the full context of Galatians 3:28:

So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

It's a bit ironic that one who glories in her ethnic identity as one of the Chosen People would appeal to the core of replacement theology, but the relevant point here is that this verse represents the triumph of Jesus Christ over sin and salvation through him, not "the triumph of universalism over ethnic tribalism". In fact, the Bible not only makes it clear that the nations are established by God, but that they have different spirits that rule over them and that those nations will persist to the end.

The material "triumph of universalism" is a Satanic concept, it is neo-Babelism, and it is the religion behind the ideological globalism that the Alt Right, both religious and irreligious, opposes.
It's interesting that Vox's manifesto for the alt-right, an American movement, never mentions America per se. America is, after all, the ultimate mongrel culture, and was one long before the shift toward more Third World immigration in the 1960s that many alt-righters see as a fateful turning point. The alt-right is a movement that purports to champion American nationalism yet rejects the opening proposition of the Declaration of Independence and embraces a fantasy of "unmolested" sovereignty/homogeneity that probably has its closest historical counterpart in medieval China -- wall and all.
America is not a mongrel culture. America is the Posterity of the English Founding Fathers, whose rights the U.S. constitution was written to secure. The substitution of state for nation, and United States for America is a 20th century lie, and white Americans are genetically the complete opposite of mongrels, as white Americans are genetically 98.6 percent European. This is more projection, as it is, in fact, (((Ekaterina))) who is the mongrel, being a half-Semite, half-Italian "Russian" immigrant now resident in the United States. She incorrectly claims America to be "the ultimate mongrel culture" in order to bolster her false claim to be "American", when in reality she is merely a United States citizen with, in her own words, "a special attachment to Israel".
Oh, and because the alt-right is totally not neo-Nazi or anything, Vox's manifesto includes the "14-word pledge": "The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children." And it's No. 14.
Let it be noted that (((Ekaterina))) opposes the existence of white people and a future for white children. She wishes to portray a monstrous picture of the Alt Right, but all she succeeds in doing is providing everyone with an all-too-revealing self-portrait.

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Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 28, 2016 5:53 AM  

She might as well say, "Christianity explicitly proclaims the triumph of gay marriage over heterosexual marriage," since there is neither male nor female in Christ.

Anonymous JAG August 28, 2016 5:57 AM  

White people are always labeled as NAZIs for wanting to exist. Not all white people are German. Not all Germans are/were NAZIs.

White people are waking up to the attempted soft genocide. No amount of pointing and shrieking "NAZI!!!111!!!" is going to stop that. Nobody gives a fuck anymore about that label.

Anonymous JAG August 28, 2016 5:59 AM  

BTW, has (((Ekaterina))) championed for Muslims to freely settle in Israel yet? How about tribal Africans? Hindus? Anyone not Jewish?

Anonymous A German August 28, 2016 6:03 AM  

White people are always labeled as NAZIs for wanting to exist. Not all white people are German. Not all Germans are/were NAZIs.

White people are waking up to the attempted soft genocide. No amount of pointing and shrieking "NAZI!!!111!!!" is going to stop that. Nobody gives a fuck anymore about that label.


You do. That is why you first went with the conservative defense. Dialectic, trying to out-logic people is not the way to go when someone uses the rhetoric attack NAZI.

Blogger Shimshon August 28, 2016 6:04 AM  

I think you need to invent a new emoticon or special type of facepalm for idiocy like she spouts. It's possible to quibble with some picayune details of your lengthy definition, but overall it's good and acceptable.

I still like your three-point summary:

The #AltRight believes in three things:
Nationalism.
Western civilization.
Winning.

Blogger stats August 28, 2016 6:09 AM  

Heard this cunt for the first time on a BBC program that featured Milo. Through out the program she is constantly and annoyingly screaching about the horrors of the alt. right. Milo easily dismisses her, but she continues to bleat in the background. Assumed she was jewish, but didn't know enough about her to be sure. What is it that binds these mongrels together? How is it there reaction to any event or trend is so predictable? Of course Milo is a counter example, but he is the exception that proves the rule.

Anonymous Moonbear August 28, 2016 6:11 AM  

She does not seem nearly as smart as she proclaims to be.
There is certainly some "crossbreeding" on the borders of ethnic groups where two different (but still very similar) people live.
But that is not to be confused with mongrelization and dilution.
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Data/Map_haplogroups.jpg
Let's pretend for a moment that ethnic groups do not like sticking together, and that Christianity won over ethnic tribalism, would reality really look like this?

Also perching the USA as a monolith for mongrel society seems daft as it has been in steady decline along with the frequency of diversity and vibrancy for a long time now.

Blogger APL August 28, 2016 6:12 AM  

"But there are also the examples of the British in India, the Chinese in Indonesia and Malaysia, the French in Algeria, "

I've often wondered why the British were able to take over what is now India in such a relatively short time. The opposition came more from other Colonial powers, AKA the French, rather than the Hindu or Sikh ( not that there wasn't opposition from these quarters, just that it tended to be modulated by other colonial powers).

Perhaps it was because the native cultures realised that British rule was actually less onerous than Mogul rule.

Yes, let's not forget the Musslemen, nobody cares much for Mussleman rule.

Blogger S. Thermite August 28, 2016 6:13 AM  

If me and my fellow whites acknowledge the legitimacy and divinity of Jewish Superiority, doesn/t that give us license to engage is lesser-than-their-own racism and superiority? If we can agree with them that gold is best, doesn't that still leaves silver being better than bronze? And far better than mud? /sarc

Blogger Stilicho August 28, 2016 6:15 AM  

Jung thinks that using third worlders to invade and degrade the west will make her appear less foreign to a westerner. It's an aggressive and invasive form of camouflage employed by a parasite.

The Chinese are going to LOVE these folks. Lightly sautéed most likely.

Blogger Sherwood family August 28, 2016 6:19 AM  

It is interesting that securing the existence of white people indicates that one is a neo nazi. What do we label someone who is for securing the existence of the Jewish people?

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent August 28, 2016 6:21 AM  

A surgical excoriation.

RIP (((Ekaterina Jung)))

Blogger residentMoron August 28, 2016 6:22 AM  

Imagine the reverse proposition:

"there's no future for jewish children, no security for jewish people!"

Mmmm-hmmm. Oddly, she'd immediately call you literally Hitler for expressing such a view, but she feels quite content to say it about white people and our children.

It's not only the monstrosity of it that's revealing, but the complete lack of self-awareness.

And it only adds insult to injury that "Jewish-Americans" constantly demand that white people secure a nation for the jews, and a future for jewish children.

Blogger residentMoron August 28, 2016 6:23 AM  

@Sherwood: snap!

Blogger stats August 28, 2016 6:25 AM  

Jews are already preparing to become part of Chinese culture. I know a number of Jews who have married Chinese (Zuckerberg for example). What is Judiasm? It is not really a religion or a race. It is more like an intellectual virus that uses interbreeding as a tool to infect the host.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 28, 2016 6:25 AM  

That was awesome, Vox.

Blogger Stilicho August 28, 2016 6:26 AM  

@ 11 neocon?

Blogger The Observer August 28, 2016 6:32 AM  

Zuckerberg asked the Chinese premier to be his spawn's godfather. The Premier, in less than pleasant terms, told him to fuck off.

That should tell you how much mainland Chinese (as opposed to Chinese diaspora) think of (((them))).

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 6:37 AM  

stats wrote:Jews are already preparing to become part of Chinese culture. I know a number of Jews who have married Chinese ((((((Zuckerberg))))) for example). What is Judiasm? It is not really a religion or a race. It is more like an intellectual virus that uses interbreeding as a tool to infect the host.

I wonder how badly China will shut them down/harm Israel, assuming Iran does not wipe them out sooner.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 6:44 AM  

FFS, Judaism is not the bloody topic. I'm deleting all the derailing comments.

Blogger S. Thermite August 28, 2016 6:44 AM  

For the record, I'm pro-Israeli, to the extent that as a teenager my pro-military daydream was being able to fight for the IDF rather than the alternative of possibly being sent by Clinton or one of his unholy successors to fight in Bosnia or another un-American war. It's taken a lot of change for me to mock some Jews. Influential has been the fact that so many of Jews want Americans to finance or even die for Israel without being willing to actually move there themselves, and also how many of them support homosexuality.

Blogger vosvos August 28, 2016 6:45 AM  

Essay,chapter,whole book on just this?


The material "triumph of universalism" is a Satanic concept, it is neo-Babelism, and it is the religion behind the ideological globalism that the Alt Right, both religious and irreligious, opposes.

pure gold

Blogger S. Thermite August 28, 2016 6:45 AM  

Sorry Vox. Delete away.

Blogger J A Baker August 28, 2016 6:46 AM  

So pretty much her whole rant is just more of the same identity denial of the ALT-Right?

In other words she is saying: You have no history, you have no culture, you have no identity. You never did so any claim you make for any right to preserve any of these are invalid.

She isn't denying the Alt-Right's right to exist, she's denying that the Alt-Right even exists or that they ever existed at all, and that it's nothing more than a figment of VD's and others like him imaginations.

She is trying to gaslight the Alt-Right!!!!!

Seriously?

Anonymous SciVo August 28, 2016 6:51 AM  

Speaking of #10, I stand by my prediction that the Visegrad Group won't stand for the EU's nonsense indefinitely; either Brussels will cave to common sense and defend the borders, or any nation with an instinct for self-preservation will leave. And we can confidently expect the latter, since pathological universalism is a matter of identity for the transnational cosmopolitans, so they're risibly using a funding threat against nations under an existential threat. That has zero chance of working, essentially a category error -- and a CogDis tell.

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 6:52 AM  

pro-Israeli, to the extent that as a teenager my pro-military daydream was being able to fight for the IDF rather than the alternative of possibly being sent by Clinton or one of his unholy successors to fight in Bosnia or another un-American war. It's taken a lot of change for me to mock some Jews. Influential has been the fact that so many of Jews want Americans to finance or even die for Israel without being willing to actually move there themselves, and also how many of them support homosexuality.


You left out wanting a secure future/ethno state for themselves but work to deny Europeans the same right..

Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 28, 2016 6:52 AM  

Let it be noted that (((Ekaterina))) opposes the existence of white people and a future for white children.
That is why #14 needed to be on the list: It's a bug lamp for the enemy.

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 6:57 AM  

J A Baker wrote:So pretty much her whole rant is just more of the same identity denial of the ALT-Right?

In other words she is saying: You have no history, you have no culture, you have no identity. You never did so any claim you make for any right to preserve any of these are invalid.

She isn't denying the Alt-Right's right to exist, she's denying that the Alt-Right even exists or that they ever existed at all, and that it's nothing more than a figment of VD's and others like him imaginations.

She is trying to gaslight the Alt-Right!!!!!

Seriously?


They are trying to play mind games with people who understand the games they are playing, or just flat out do not care, its like trying to gaslight a TX1000, its not going to work, hell it wont even slow it down, if it could feel anything it would be slightly pissed off..

Anonymous Moonbear August 28, 2016 6:58 AM  

Hmm, interesting fact;
"Ronny Decorte, a geneticist from the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, tested relatives of Adolf Hitler and determined that the Fürher belonged to haplogroup E1b1b. Ironically this haplogroup thought to be at the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages, which includes the Semitic languages and peoples that Hitler despised so much."

It would appear Hitler was a Jew, a self hating one at that.
Can't say I'm surprised.

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 6:58 AM  

LurkingPuppy wrote:Let it be noted that (((Ekaterina))) opposes the existence of white people and a future for white children.

That is why #14 needed to be on the list: It's a bug lamp for the enemy.


This "I oppose the exicistnce of whites and want to deny their kids a future"..

White people "....Wait, you want what? No thank you you pro genocidal sub human".

Blogger J A Baker August 28, 2016 7:00 AM  

@ American Spartan, great analogy there.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 7:00 AM  

It's a bug lamp for the enemy.

Who could possibly imagine that Vox Day, of all people, would ever stoop so low as to bait a trap.

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 7:02 AM  

J A Baker wrote:@ American Spartan, great analogy there.

Thank you, I mean the Alt right really is an army of human machines that are done being slaves to "muh feels"...

Blogger ValeriusMaximus August 28, 2016 7:02 AM  

It is interesting that we find a description of Jews from antiquity which is quite in line with modern stereotypes. It couldn't be that they are genetically predisposed to this kind of behavior.

". . . among themselves they are inflexibly honest and ever ready to shew compassion, though they regard the rest of mankind with all the hatred of enemies. "
Tacitus, Histories 5.5

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 7:03 AM  

VD wrote:It's a bug lamp for the enemy.

Who could possibly imagine that Vox Day, of all people, would ever stoop so low as to bait a trap.


Hey it works wonders, and why reinvent the wheel? I mean look who we are fighting.

Hey Vox off topic, but did the Earthquake effect you?

Blogger Stilicho August 28, 2016 7:03 AM  

I found her attempt to limit the alt right to America rather pathetic in light of the fact that the movement is further along and better established in Europe. Perhaps she thinks she can make it distasteful for Europeans if she can convince them it's a form of cultural imperialism.

Blogger Doom August 28, 2016 7:04 AM  

It's interesting how some of the non-Americans (non-whites) hate America and some of us love it. I realized, at about 12, that I couldn't be a NAZI. They would just as likely murder me as her. Funny thing is, she doesn't realize that's whose side she is on. Hell, that is what her religion has become, and many Christian faiths are turning into.

You can't tell tyrant lovers not to love tyrants, they just don't get it. Well, and even if they do get it, they think they don't have a personal or group chance without tyranny. And, I suppose, to get unrighteously ahead, they may be right. They aren't free, and choose not to be. And they don't want anyone else to be free. It seems a one world NAZI or communist regime is all they strive to achieve. And single religion, for what that dead bitch whore of a church will be worth. They are bad enough, currently, as is. They just want to be on the inside track. 'Cause this time will be different! The droolers just go along for free phones and free everything. Us damned willful believers in self just won't get out of their way!

Bravo on the charge. I'll have to read that again. There are a few angles in there I really like. I'd simply like to polish the corners of them a bit better. Hmm... have to read your 16 points again, too. When I am more awake. I'd like to work something up on that, if I can. Just for myself.

Blogger Shimshon August 28, 2016 7:05 AM  

Vox, my apologies. It was not my intent to derail the topic.

Blogger Scifipie Guy August 28, 2016 7:07 AM  

Excellent post Vox. I have to say, since I came across your blog about two weeks ago, that my eyes have been opened considerably. Being a white European descended American, I have inherently felt on an instinctual level many of the things you write so well. I suspect I may have had blinders on due to the constant bombardment from the left. I have never felt like a racist, but I'm damned proud of my white heritage. I'm also damned proud to be an American. I love the culture I grew up in, and although I don't consider myself a Christian, I love the idea of America, I believe the free practice of Christianity is important, and I want my country to remain a western civilization. I see the deterioration of my beloved America gaining momentum daily with the import of 3rd world people who do not share the belief of what America was formed to be, and should remain. Each group brings their cultural identity, they create their enclave making no effort to integrate into the American culture. It's evident in places like Dearborn, MI, where the Muslims have taken over, and many other places where for example, the Somalis have taken root and terrorized the community to the point where native Americans are afraid for their families and they move out of their homes to begin again elsewhere, thus leaving their heritage and other extended family behind. It appears the leftists forcefully are attempting to displace the white American who oftentimes have lived in the region for generations. Why do only white nations have to accept this diversity and multiculturalism? One doesn't often see Whites moving to India or China, etc. to live and raise families, and if they do, they blend into the native culture, not trying to force western ways upon them. After all, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. What appears to be happening, in my view, is the deliberate take down of what I consider to be my culture, my children's future, my parents posterity, my nation, by insidious, evil, outside forces trying to topple my civilitation, the nation I love. The America that I love, that I wish my children and their children to inherit. If something isn't done now, I fear it will be too late, if it isn't already. So, I'll do whatever I feel needs to be done to preserve the future for my posterity's sake. I hope that all Americans who feel as I do will do whatever it takes to preserve our nation. There's nothing wrong with being proud to be white, and American, the same as a black is proud to be black and American, or the Chinese, etc. I don't care what color someone is in America, as long as they believe they are Americans. Thanks for your great work and insightful writing. See you here and on Twitter, Scifipie Guy. @RichardHund

OpenID aew51183 August 28, 2016 7:08 AM  

Cathy Young has been fairly salient in her opposition to the looney left and her support of GamerGate, but it's obvious she loses the ability to do anything but emote when any issue steps within a mile of her ethnic heritage.

She is a poster child for ADL-type, wolf-crying over-sensitivity.

Frank Herbert was right: Fear is the mind-killer, and it's certainly killed her mind.

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 7:09 AM  

Stilicho wrote:I found her attempt to limit the alt right to America rather pathetic in light of the fact that the movement is further along and better established in Europe. Perhaps she thinks she can make it distasteful for Europeans if she can convince them it's a form of cultural imperialism.

What do you expect, they have not really debated since the late 50s/early 60s, they have largely taken to rigging the system and though they could scream "racist", "nazi", etc until we had imported enough non whites as to have a one party system.

They lost their edge (assuming they ever really had one).

Add into the fact the increase in the cost of leftist ideals, goals, policies, and the Internet it is little wonder why they are in a panic.

Only the very top leadership knows the backlash will be swift and very bloody.

Blogger Salt August 28, 2016 7:10 AM  

I'm surprised (((Cathy))) can even bring herself to live here, in what white men built. Appropriation at its finest.

Blogger Shimshon August 28, 2016 7:12 AM  

For the record, I believe it is both wrong and stupid for a Jew to engage a Christian in Christian polemics, as my coreligionist has.

OpenID paworldandtimes August 28, 2016 7:12 AM  

At least these latest efforts at describing the AltRight correctly focus on its pro-West identitarian core. Some of the earlier attempts to describe us, even from friendly quarters, overstated the role of HBD or neoreaction, and even placed those academic/wonky pursuits at the center.

PA

Anonymous Steve August 28, 2016 7:15 AM  


Oh, and because the alt-right is totally not neo-Nazi or anything, Vox's manifesto includes the "14-word pledge": "The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children." And it's No. 14.


What's controversial about this pledge? Does Cathy think it's illegitimate for white people to exist and provide a future for their children?

What would we call someone who opposes a future for black/Chinese/Jewish/any other racial or ethnic group children?

Who the fuck hates children?

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 7:15 AM  

Vox, my apologies. It was not my intent to derail the topic.

No worries. I know it wasn't.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 28, 2016 7:17 AM  

And this is precisely why I suggested point #12 should be point #1 WITH REPETITION. While I personally find it amusing that people such as (((Ekaterina))) waste their time name calling and making excuses as to why the Alt-Right is becoming more attractive to sensible people, she and other detractors need to understand that we just don't give a shit as to what (((THEY))) think. It's useless to even try because folks like Vox will post stuff like above, poke the requisite holes, then proceed to laugh at the author and encourage the rest of us to do the same, if we have done so already.

Anonymous karsten August 28, 2016 7:20 AM  

"The Alt-Right is neither Nietzschean nor historical National Socialism, and we do not equate Christianity with "Jewish Bolshevism"

Speak for yourself.

The Alt-Right is also not monolithic; e.g., large parts of it (including myself) know that Nietzsche got most things right. Likewise for National Socialism.

VD's emphasis on Christianity is the one (and pretty much the only one) element in his attempted definition of the Alt Right which I utterly reject.

Christianity is downstream from culture. Europeans made it something worthwhile when it was originally imported, but only because of their existing aristocratic warrior culture. As that vanished, Christianity naturally and inevitably became the Cuckstianity/Churchianity we know and loathe today, and as such, did indeed become the godfather of Leftism.

Christianity remains worthwhile today in places like Hungary or Poland, but only because there it is basically a church of nationalism. But there's nothing inherent in Christianity to make it such a thing; rather, its universalizing tendency (which is one of key aspects that motivated the resistance of Luther and the north Europeans) is a degenerative effect and is the progenitor of globalism.

The Alt-Right is culturally Christian, and only culturally Christian; it admires and respects its Christian heritage, but as an aesthetic phenomenon, exactly as it admires and respects its Classical (Greek Roman) and Teutonic (Nordic) religious heritage.

(Essential reading: "The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity" by James C Russell.)

Blogger Noah B August 28, 2016 7:21 AM  

@45 If they didn't hate children, child murder wouldn't be a prominent and uncompromising position of leftists around the globe.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 7:28 AM  

Speak for yourself.

I do. I not only don't claim any position of leadership, but I explicitly reject any such claim made on my behalf. Except, of course, in the Leader of #GamerGate sense.

The Alt-Right is also not monolithic; e.g., large parts of it (including myself) know that Nietzsche got most things right. Likewise for National Socialism.

You're right, it is not monolithic. You're wrong about Nietzsche and National Socialism, both of which were logically incoherent and intrinsically flawed. But your strain will become increasingly irrelevant as the Alt Right grows. We won't abjure you, but we also won't follow that branch into irrelevance.

VD's emphasis on Christianity is the one (and pretty much the only one) element in his attempted definition of the Alt Right which I utterly reject.

That's because you are more affected by your Daddy issues with God than you are concerned about Western Civilization. You cannot have Western Civilization without Christianity. More intelligent pagans and atheists than you have realized this. More will with time, including, I suspect, you.

There is a reason why people listen to me, and why you are here commenting on my blog rather than the other way around. And it's not because I'm charming or lovable, it's because my logic is ruthless. And because, if I get something wrong, I will immediately correct for it. Your allergy to Christianity is an intellectual weakness.

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 7:29 AM  

Scifipie Guy wrote:Excellent post Vox. I have to say, since I came across your blog about two weeks ago, that my eyes have been opened considerably. Being a white European descended American, I have inherently felt on an instinctual level many of the things you write so well. I suspect I may have had blinders on due to the constant bombardment from the left. I have never felt like a racist, but I'm damned proud of my white heritage. I'm also damned proud to be an American. I love the culture I grew up in, and although I don't consider myself a Christian, I love the idea of America, I believe the free practice of Christianity is important, and I want my country to remain a western civilization. I see the deterioration of my beloved America gaining momentum daily with the import of 3rd world people who do not share the belief of what America was formed to be, and should remain. Each group brings their cultural identity, they create their enclave making no effort to integrate into the American culture. It's evident in places like Dearborn, MI, where the Muslims have taken over, and many other places where for example, the Somalis have taken root and terrorized the community to the point where native Americans are afraid for their families and they move out of their homes to begin again elsewhere, thus leaving their heritage and other extended family behind. It appears the leftists forcefully are attempting to displace the white American who oftentimes have lived in the region for generations. Why do only white nations have to accept this diversity and multiculturalism? One doesn't often see Whites moving to India or China, etc. to live and raise families, and if they do, they blend into the native culture, not trying to force western ways upon them. After all, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. What appears to be happening, in my view, is the deliberate take down of what I consider to be my culture, my children's future, my parents posterity, my nation, by insidious, evil, outside forces trying to topple my civilitation, the nation I love. The America that I love, that I wish my children and their children to inherit. If something isn't done now, I fear it will be too late, if it isn't already. So, I'll do whatever I feel needs to be done to preserve the future for my posterity's sake. I hope that all Americans who feel as I do will do whatever it takes to preserve our nation. There's nothing wrong with being proud to be white, and American, the same as a black is proud to be black and American, or the Chinese, etc. I don't care what color someone is in America, as long as they believe they are Americans. Thanks for your great work and insightful writing. See you here and on Twitter, Scifipie Guy. @RichardHund

Do yourself a favor read all of the past posts on immigration and read the comments which are a goldmine...

Blogger Salt August 28, 2016 7:29 AM  

karsten wrote:Christianity is downstream from culture. ...

The Alt-Right is culturally Christian, and only culturally Christian


/facepalm

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 7:30 AM  

Christianity is downstream from culture.

Hopelessly wrong. Identity > Culture > Politics. Christianity is CLEARLY an identity element, and a strong one at that, not a cultural one.

This is your problem, Karsten. You are far more interested in attacking Christianity than making sense or being correct.

Blogger YIH August 28, 2016 7:31 AM  

Vox -- a.k.a. sci-fi writer, publisher and blogger GIVEN NAME --
LOL. Geez, it's not like it's a big secret or anything ;)

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 28, 2016 7:32 AM  

That was fantastic.

Vox, you've recently persuaded me on a couple of major points re: #AltRight in the last few days. It's been long enough since that's happened that I'd forgotten what it feels like.

So, thanks.

Blogger YIH August 28, 2016 7:34 AM  

BTW, Happy birthday, you're older than I thought you were - my guess was about 44-45.

Anonymous Moonbear August 28, 2016 7:35 AM  

"And it's not because I'm charming or lovable"
Would it be weird if I told you; you are wrong?

Blogger Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque August 28, 2016 7:36 AM  

Smashing post Vox

Kudos

OpenID simplytimothy August 28, 2016 7:38 AM  

"Mongrel nation"

Is she arrogant,stupid ...?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 28, 2016 7:41 AM  

Stilicho wrote:The Chinese are going to LOVE these folks. Lightly sautéed most likely.

Lol.

Anonymous Jeffrey Quick August 28, 2016 7:44 AM  

Die verlorene Ehre der Ekatarina Jung.

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 7:48 AM  

simplytimothy wrote:"Mongrel nation"

Is she arrogant,stupid ...?


Anti White, Anti American, Moral/Cultural relativist Jew.

Blogger Scifipie Guy August 28, 2016 7:51 AM  

Thank you, American Spartan. Can you give me a clue as to what I should specifically be looking for? Thank you. The way you say to read the immigration posts, I get the impression you think I should take particular note of.

Blogger Phillip George August 28, 2016 8:02 AM  

Who can remember when Egypt was a Christian nation?

One of the strongest arguments I've read here is Africa for Africans, Japan for Japanese.......it directs your attention to White people being homeless. Having no identity. It is a genocide by implication.

Like Christians in Syria. Who in the professional media gives a rat's arse/ metaphorical rodent's sphincter for their extermination by the same ISIS that turns out to be 'good' for Israel?

One of the strongest arguments in the blog. So thanks. Here's fuel for the fire.

On Shakespeare's grave there is an appeal to his posterity calling them "friends". That should paint a picture of who Shakespeare wanted his progeny to be. He says "for Jesus' sake".

I'll translate and paraphrase simultaneously. "Friends, Englishmen, countrymen, for Jesus' sake do not disturb this ground, this England, the foundation for this Church"

It's an extremely loose paraphrase - but what are poet's for?

The Church in China is a Chinaman's Church. The Church in England is an Englishman's. For Jesus' sake there certainly is a Commonwealth. Don't their heritage. Birthrights. Do not disturb them.

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 8:06 AM  

Scifipie Guy wrote:Thank you, American Spartan. Can you give me a clue as to what I should specifically be looking for? Thank you. The way you say to read the immigration posts, I get the impression you think I should take particular note of.


https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/06/a-failure-of-proposition-propaganda.html

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/america-was-never-nation-of-immigrants.html

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/ben-shapiro-attacks-alt-right.html

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/democracy-is-incompatible-with.html#comment-form

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/06/self-destructive-ideologies.html

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/06/forget-tolerance.html

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/06/hate-is-human-right.html


https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-prophecy-of-hp-lovecraft.html#comment-form

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/02/no-you-really-werent.html

https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-us/DisplayMessage?ws_popup=true&ws_suite=true


https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/03/that-which-goes-unlinked.html

And the comments...Anything under Cucksertive or Immigration topics are solid, comments are great as you get other views/talking points, quips, etc.

Blogger David Power August 28, 2016 8:17 AM  


No. 15 is an amusing attempt to avoid the unpleasant "white supremacist" label

Being called a 'supremacist' by people who believe they are 'the chosen ones' is always deserving of a comedy double take.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 28, 2016 8:17 AM  

Finally people are understanding that being "othered" by the likes of the left and cucks like Cathy Jung is not the worst thing in the world.

The typical contard reaction to being othered was so womanish as to be an utter humiliation to anyone with a milligram of T in their body.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 28, 2016 8:18 AM  

#66 shut up Cathy is going to heal the world, listen to her, she smart.

Blogger Scifipie Guy August 28, 2016 8:23 AM  

American Spartan, ty for the links.

Blogger American Spartan August 28, 2016 8:27 AM  

Scifipie Guy wrote:American Spartan, ty for the links.

Sure thing, read them, lean them, apply them...

Anonymous stress management August 28, 2016 8:30 AM  

ValeriusMaximus wrote:It is interesting that we find a description of Jews from antiquity which is quite in line with modern stereotypes. It couldn't be that they are genetically predisposed to this kind of behavior.

". . . among themselves they are inflexibly honest and ever ready to shew compassion, though they regard the rest of mankind with all the hatred of enemies. "

Tacitus, Histories 5.5



You mean descriptions from antiquity like the Bible? (1 Thess. 2:14-15):

:... the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and drove us out as well. They are displeasing to God and hostile to all men ..."



Anonymous #8601 August 28, 2016 8:31 AM  

@6 Stats - Heard this cunt for the first time on a BBC program that featured Milo.

I also heard that interview. It was pure point and shrieking (she literally has an impressive shrieking voice).

But I was a little disappointed in Milo who seemed a little squeamish on the race topic. Granted he's admittedly not Alt-Right but I expected more. He's better on feminism than racism, IMO.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 28, 2016 8:31 AM  

According to (((Young's))) Twitter, "mongrel" was intended as a compliment. Basically, she is saying diversity is strength. With no intended irony.

Blogger dienw August 28, 2016 8:33 AM  

Moonbear wrote:Hmm, interesting fact;

"Ronny Decorte, a geneticist from the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, tested relatives of Adolf Hitler and determined that the Fürher belonged to haplogroup E1b1b. Ironically this haplogroup thought to be at the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages, which includes the Semitic languages and peoples that Hitler despised so much."

It would appear Hitler was a Jew, a self hating one at that.

Can't say I'm surprised.


Hey, Moonbear, that same haplogroup E1b1b most likely contains the kingdom of Israel: the ten northern tribes; it also includes the Babylonians and Assyrians both of which migrated into Europe right behind the Israelites. BTW, Moonbare, the Assyrians migrated into southern Germany and Eastern Europe.

This is why it pays for the American and European peoples to know the migratory patterns of the Israelites and other Semitic tribes out of the Middle East: such knowledge stops the effectiveness of the lies of people such as Moonbutt and his (((sort))).

Blogger Mandos August 28, 2016 8:46 AM  

I'm not convinced Cathy Young and her superficial attempt to smear your previous article deserves such a thorough answer, but I can understand why you would think Heat Street does.

Anonymous Moonbear August 28, 2016 8:46 AM  

(((dienw))), I stated a fact which you then confirmed.
I am i1 and agnostic christian, liar.

Blogger psychegram August 28, 2016 8:50 AM  

@66 Since they are the Chosen People, only they can be supreme. Anything else is racist. Obviously.

Vox, it seems to me that there is a considerable debate over whether it is necessary to maintain Christianity. On the one hand, heritage, intellectual tradition, identity, and the unavailable that the Church (at least the Catholic Church) has served as the vector of transmission European cultural practices linking us to our iron age ancestors. On the other, the point of origin was a semitic culture with profoundly different values than traditionally held by Europeans. But on the gripping hand, Viking LARPing just seems like a dead end: spiritually unsatisfying and unlikely to ever have broad, unifying appeal. I'm not at all sure what the answer is ... although at this point in the game I think we have bigger fish to fry i.e. better to combine efforts against common enemies. Until 14 has been assured, it is counterproductive to try and excommunicated one or the other paths from the AR (n.b. this is something I see the LARPers doing, the Christians are far more tolerant).

One thing I would be interested to read an expanded take from you on is why the NSDAP was logically incoherent etc. (I agree wholeheartedly about Nietzsche: logic was not his preferred method, rather he seems to have pioneered the Continental tradition of philosophy as poetry). Given that 14 is almost invariably followed by 88, if anything there's something closer to a consensus in the AR that Nazism was not all bad, more of a consensus than exists on the religious question at least.

Blogger psychegram August 28, 2016 8:51 AM  

*and the unavoidable fact that the Church

Blogger Phillip George August 28, 2016 8:54 AM  

alphabet soup

Anonymous Evstratios August 28, 2016 8:59 AM  

What a surprise. When the internet went mainstream, I actually thought for a moment it might lead to a flowering of knowledge and the initiation of a periclean golden age. Funny that. Seems we will only ever receive fat bitches bloviating outside of their pay grade. Thar she blows, and her ambergris smells like shit. If only there weren't millions upon millions of the same gasping sacks grasping for attention. My sword arm tires just thinking about it.

Appropriating an objectively superior culture and yet completely ignorant to the benefits provided has become an international past time. Put down the qwerty keyboard mizz jung, take off your jeans, your glasses, empty your fridge of fresh year round produce, rather the heat sealed bags of crunchy snacks, turn off the tv, destroy your books, nuke the population explosion in every other nation of the world and onward ho! Your entire life has been given to you by white christian culture, western civilization, if you will, and you're university educated you say? Lose it, it's not yours. It's too white and with the mongrel hordes literally at the gate you wish to renounce the only form of protection available to you. That tension you feel in the mornings is the realization of the fact that that which is freely given may also be taken away. I'm not the only one who feels an embiggening in the extremities.

She will be back for more abuse.

...we don't care.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 28, 2016 9:01 AM  

The more mongrelized my neighborhood becomes (mostly due to declining socioeconomic status of neighbors) the less I like it.

Young can ram her rhetoric where the sun never shines.

Anonymous r August 28, 2016 9:09 AM  

I find it pretty hilarious that designated ideological enemies have their pen name privileges revoked by shitlibs. It reminds me of my age-old internet trolling tactic of misspelling people's handles on purpose as a show of disrespect.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 9:15 AM  

Vox, it seems to me that there is a considerable debate over whether it is necessary to maintain Christianity.

I look forward to being part of that debate. But very few of those sufficiently conversant with the history of Christendom are going to side with those who claim Christianity is irrelevant to the survival of the West. Even those who are not historically conversant should be able to see what has already come of the post-Christian aspects of Europe and America and conclude that a post-Christian West is not even a possibility.

One thing I would be interested to read an expanded take from you on is why the NSDAP was logically incoherent etc. (I agree wholeheartedly about Nietzsche: logic was not his preferred method, rather he seems to have pioneered the Continental tradition of philosophy as poetry). Given that 14 is almost invariably followed by 88, if anything there's something closer to a consensus in the AR that Nazism was not all bad, more of a consensus than exists on the religious question at least.

I plan to address the 88 precepts at some point; it will be even easer to address the incoherency and intrinsic flaws of the NSDAP ideology. Very few things are all bad, Nazism isn't even particularly close to the worst evil the world has ever seen. For example, feminism is much worse; I have long said that calling a feminist a femi-Nazi is an insult to the NSDAP.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 9:17 AM  

What part of "FFS, this isn't about Judaism" is hard to understand? Drop it, Dienw and Moonbear.

I'm not sure who is more tedious, the Jews who always want to talk about themselves or the anti-Semites who always want to talk about them.

Blogger dienw August 28, 2016 9:19 AM  

Dropped.

Anonymous Moonbear August 28, 2016 9:23 AM  

Yes sir.

Anonymous Godfrey August 28, 2016 9:29 AM  

Israel has a wall.

Israel forces Palestinian refugees into the Gaza ghetto and murders them with bombs once in awhile.

Blogger Lovekraft August 28, 2016 9:31 AM  

I believe I speak for many alt-righters when I say that I am completely willing to allow all ethnicities to prosper, fulfill their own tribal objectives but under one main condition:

they drop any pretense that doing so is only permissable for them and others must be allowed to do the same. If this is not permitted, then their own tribe must also be criticized.

Not a pretty scenario, but a functioning society requires elimination of this double standard. Otherwise resentment and eventual conflict (or oppression) results.

Anonymous Crossphased August 28, 2016 9:35 AM  

Is she using pseudo dialectic? Still working on differentiating between dialectic, rhetoric and pseudo dialectic. When Vox speaks in dialectic he's very straightforward and easy to understand. The quoted piece is twisted somehow.

Blogger psychegram August 28, 2016 9:35 AM  

But very few of those sufficiently conversant with the history of Christendom are going to side with those who claim Christianity is irrelevant to the survival of the West.

As someone who's still on the fence on the issue, I've gotta say that my personal experience bears this out. The anti-Christian sentiment mostly seems to come down to reflexive fedora-tipping.

I'm looking forward to the NSDAP/88 post.

Anonymous Onlooker August 28, 2016 9:36 AM  

Scifipie Guy wrote:my eyes have been opened considerably. Being a white European descended American, I have inherently felt on an instinctual level many of the things you write so well.

Ditto. I'm still on my intellectual journey here, but I'm certainly seeing things in a new light of late.

I found my way here thru Stefan Molyneux, having been a long time listener of his. Let's just say that he has really opened my eyes to a whole lot of reality that I'm still coming to grips with. As has Vox, whose Cuckservative book I recently read.

Interesting times.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 9:38 AM  

Is she using pseudo dialectic? Still working on differentiating between dialectic, rhetoric and pseudo dialectic. When Vox speaks in dialectic he's very straightforward and easy to understand.

She begins with straight rhetoric. She doesn't switch to pseudo-dialectic until she starts talking about #15. Then she switches back to pure rhetoric when she addresses #14.

Blogger residentMoron August 28, 2016 9:39 AM  

Close, Lovekraft, but the condition should be that they pursue their collective destiny in their own country.

Blogger Lovekraft August 28, 2016 9:41 AM  

Vox to Karsten: "Your allergy to Christianity is an intellectual weakness."

Without a sound underlying 'sprituality' (and I would argue Christ is well above any such definition), the alt-right would remain a useful scapegoat for the system to regularly bludgeon the populace with.

Christianity is not about laying down and allowing the jackboot to crush us. No. There is a power in following Jesus but one that has its goal as being a new reality, not the same old jockeying that the Odinist-types advocate.

Alt-right is a terrible, limiting term and I for one patiently expect it to morph yet again. The more it becomes discredited by the most deceitful forces imaginable, the more I see conviction in Christ.

Anonymous Millenium August 28, 2016 9:43 AM  

White supremacist

We are not supremacist, we are seperatists. Whites only in white countries. We don't care what the rest of you do so long as you are not in a white country.


Not sure if this is legit but I would not be surprised if some plan to frame the alt right like this is in the works:

http://cultstate.com/2016/08/26/the-planned-destruction-of-the-alt-right/

TL;DR A shill is going to put up a post about murdering a black baby on /pol/, other shills will push it to the top, the (((media))) will "discover" the story and drum up faux outrage and the cucks and leftists in congress will use it to justify new hate speech laws.

If true this explains Shrillary's strange speech targeting the alt right out of left field

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum August 28, 2016 9:48 AM  

My own definition of the Alt-Right...

Listen to the song "Die MF Die" by Dope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiMaOmDtaYI

That pretty much sums it up in my mind.

Blogger Lovekraft August 28, 2016 9:52 AM  

@ 93: "Close, Lovekraft, but the condition should be that they pursue their collective destiny in their own country."

It is becoming clear to me that the endless cycle of building something stable and prosperous only works as long as it is able to withstand infiltration and dilution. Our legislative and judicial systems are absolutely useless because they have drifted from this core condition.

But is war inevitable or can we effect change using hard logic? It appears that perhaps Christianity must take up the sword yet again, not because it wants to or has to, but because it is the right thing to do.

Blogger Lovekraft August 28, 2016 9:54 AM  

@95: my advice that I've been pushing recently is that we have no obligation to respond to marxist accusations since they are the ones projecting. Develop the tools with which to put their accusation back onto them.

For example: "Trump is a racist who hates Mehicans and Mohammedans. Mwaaaah!"

Reply: "what are the marxists doing to ensure we don't have to make such statements?"

Anonymous Crossphased August 28, 2016 9:57 AM  

Thanks Vox, that explains it. Being of more average intelligence, whenever I've seen this before I just thought i was to dumb to understand the argument because it's didn't make sense.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes August 28, 2016 9:59 AM  

That was a glorious takedown. Nothing better over coffee on a Sunday morning. Suddenly I'm motivated to go to the gym and lift big plates...

Blogger Nate August 28, 2016 10:02 AM  

I love how its perfectly normal for japanese to value japanese culture... but its completely unthinkable that a white guy should value western civilization.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni August 28, 2016 10:06 AM  

Perhaps OT, perhaps not, since the thread appears to be about what alt-right includes as a guide for living, why are sodomites tolerated? Their corrosive effect on a Christian nation seems to follow clearly from Sodom and Gomorrah's fate. But their presence in the discussion makes me want to unholster my Luger.

Anonymous Steve-waa August 28, 2016 10:07 AM  

Notice Ekaterina Jung's claim that European civilization isn't about ethnic homogeneity and that American is all about "mongrel culture"? She is trying to deny that European peoples are a distinct ethnoracial group.(Notice the "where in Europe was there genetic ethnic purity")

Why? Because if the European Caucasian peoples are a distinct ethnoracial group, then that excludes Jews. That is it. That is what this is all about.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 10:12 AM  

But is war inevitable or can we effect change using hard logic?

It is inevitable. 95 percent of the population, perhaps more, is totally impervious to logic.

Why? Because if the European Caucasian peoples are a distinct ethnoracial group, then that excludes Jews. That is it. That is what this is all about.

Exactly. "Is it good for the Jews" is her sole metric. Tribalism for me, but not for thee.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 10:16 AM  

It's not only the monstrosity of it that's revealing, but the complete lack of self-awareness.

Either an utter lack of self-awareness or outright lying are needed to make this argument. She does both.

Zuckerberg asked the Chinese premier to be his spawn's godfather. The Premier, in less than pleasant terms, told him to fuck off.

Perfect. Merkel would have little utility as godmother but she likely would accept the offer.

either Brussels will cave to common sense and defend the borders, or any nation with an instinct for self-preservation will leave. And we can confidently expect the latter, since pathological universalism is a matter of identity for the transnational cosmopolitans, so they're risibly using a funding threat against nations under an existential threat. That has zero chance of working, essentially a category error -- and a CogDis tell

All utopianism ends in fire and blood and transnationalism will be no exception. It isn't hard to imagine use of some form of outright military force against a rogue state such as Hungary.

It seems a one world NAZI or communist regime is all they strive to achieve.

See above.

If something isn't done now, I fear it will be too late, if it isn't already. So, I'll do whatever I feel needs to be done to preserve the future for my posterity's sake.

Quite a few of us think it is too late. There may be ways to carve out American enclaves but even that isn't a given.

They lost their edge (assuming they ever really had one).

Spot on. The question Vox and others pose, "what have you conserved?" blows their mind largely because the answer is "nothing." Hence the argument by assertion and the ad hominems.

What's controversial about this pledge? Does Cathy think it's illegitimate for white people to exist and provide a future for their children?

Illegitimate and threatening.

Anti White, Anti American, Moral/Cultural relativist Jew.

Add "chauvinist" and "likely brainwashed" and that's pretty much it.

Being called a 'supremacist' by people who believe they are 'the chosen ones' is always deserving of a comedy double take.

It's either utter lack of self-awareness or total disingenuousness, your call.

According to (((Young's))) Twitter, "mongrel" was intended as a compliment. Basically, she is saying diversity is strength. With no intended irony.

It smacks of backpedaling.

I'm not convinced Cathy Young and her superficial attempt to smear your previous article deserves such a thorough answer, but I can understand why you would think Heat Street does.

Since this is a typical cuck attack on the Alt-Right, it made for an instructive takedown. She admittedly doesn't have much intellectual heft but the claims and semi-arguments she made are typical of that mindset.

I believe I speak for many alt-righters when I say that I am completely willing to allow all ethnicities to prosper, fulfill their own tribal objectives but under one main condition:

they drop any pretense that doing so is only permissable for them and others must be allowed to do the same. If this is not permitted, then their own tribe must also be criticized.


Won't happen. White genocide is as big of a goal as the triumphalism of other ethnicities.

Anonymous Moonbear August 28, 2016 10:17 AM  

@95 Millenium
I read the whole thing and the entire time through I could not help but think this is himself asking and answering questions to himself to try and increase the legitimacy of his own theory. I don't buy it for a second.
We know by experience that the populist movement (alt-right) is winning thanks to brexit and soon the election of Hoofer in Austria, along with Geert Wilders in the Netherlands.

Blogger tz August 28, 2016 10:18 AM  

The earthly Church is called "The Church Militant".

Stefan Molyneux has realized (and apologized) to Christians that Christians create civilized areas.

Even Christianity isn't sufficient. Japanese are 10% Catholic, bit they still are Japanese. The Nordic Lutherans that came to Minnesota brought their soft socialism with them. France had a revolution. Polish Catholicism produced JohnmPaul II.

It was non-conformist English protestants who wrote the declaration, articles, and constitution. Echoed back in England by Acton and Wilberforce which liberalized.

Anyone can come to Christ and obey the commandments. Churchians need to do so. That will baptize and fix many problems in their original culture. That would even be close to Western Civilization.

But God's kingdom is not of this earth. Civic affairs require reason and civic virtue, and that varies by culture. Asians think conformity is one of those virtues, so will create a conformist Christianity. Americans think we each have to work out our path, and that it is ok to disrupt the current order with inventions (see fireworks).

I reject genetic predestination, but recognize that "catechizing the proposition" would be difficult and uncertain (Tell me what you would teach in the inner cities to produce a black Washington, Adams, Jefferson, or Hamilton - we've burned the bridge of books). I doubt 1 in 1000 whites are sufficiently catechized. Without teachers, can there be students?

I've been accused, not of having a wrong privileged catechesis, but of having white-cis-straight-male privilege. Fine. I will fight on the battlefield of their choosing.

I check my privilege daily to insure it is healthy.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 28, 2016 10:21 AM  

Noah B wrote:If they didn't hate children, child murder wouldn't be a prominent and uncompromising position of leftists around the globe.

Somebody got to it before I did. Thank God for that. The underlying point is obvious. The figure of the number of children murdered here in the US is what, 56-57 MILLION at present? Millions of souls sacrificed for the sake of "convenience" that could otherwise be contributing to this society in the place of many of the infiltrators we have to deal with at present.

Someone explain to me again why this abhorrent practice was a "good" idea? Beyond fucking evil, if you ask me.

Blogger Joe Doakes August 28, 2016 10:25 AM  

A friend is a Liberal and a lawyer who wants to be a judge. He has been repeatedly passed over for less qualified Women and Minorities (he's an impeccably credentialed White male). He sees the effect of Affirmative Action on his own life, but reflexively supports it.

He's got his kids in special STEM schools so they can have great careers, and also hopes to see school discipline reform exempt Black children so they don't have to behave in class. He sees the effect of school favoritism in his children's lives but reflexively supports it.

A guy who supports self-defeating policies is one thing; supporting policies that defeat your children? He's a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, one of millions in this state, who thinks just like Angela Merkel. I don't see any hope for people like that.

Alt-right is raw, uncomfortable, abrasive Truth, the obvious truth that's going on all around but constantly is denied. It eventually may set us free; but first, it's definitely going to piss people off.

Blogger tz August 28, 2016 10:28 AM  

The problem is Israel is a secular, socialist state, and without cash infusions would look like Venezuela. Jews need European Whites like Mexico needs America (Trump will mean Mexico, Honduras, etc. will go Venezuela). Or go back technologically to Cuba or North Korea.
Did (((CY))) ever explain why Israel should continue with Apartheid?
On the Judaeo-Christian front, why doesn't Israel take in persecuted mid-east Christians since they aren't anti-Israel?

Blogger Jew613 August 28, 2016 10:28 AM  

The Alt-Right will continue to go from strength to strength because their goals, particularly that people should have their own homelands, including whites, are rational. Whereas the Globalists goals are irrational and unsustainable. Eventually they will run out of white countries to overrun.

The weakest in a series of generally weak arguments by Cathy Young was trying to use the Christian Gospels against the Alt Right. Since she is of the Tribe she should be aware of what ignoramuses non-Jews sound like when they try to use Jewish holy works and occasional hebrew words in the wrong context or with incorrect meanings. Young came off as just as much of a fool in her article.

Blogger The Other Robot August 28, 2016 10:29 AM  

The blog Alternative Right appears on April 19, 2010 without any fanfare, it seems.

Blogger Demonic Professor El August 28, 2016 10:36 AM  

JAG wrote:White people are always labeled as NAZIs for wanting to exist. Not all white people are German. Not all Germans are/were NAZIs.

By "Cathy Young's" own logic, wouldn't all JOOZ be Bolshevik Internationalists then? Her whole so-called argument is really just an angry, Marxian Tumblr rant.

Blogger tz August 28, 2016 10:37 AM  

@108 Satanic temples are too obvious. Molech doesn't care how you pronounce his name, he just wants the blood of innocent children.

Divorce was the second evil, ripping apart the one flesh.

Also to go back to CY, why did (((70%))) vote for Obama in 2012? If 70% of a specific ethnic group is voting to destroy everything I cherish are they not enemies?

NAJALT - but then they should start a Civil War, or free Israel from their defacto government paid abortion on demand in their single payer system and their fiat, not silver, shekel.

Anonymous Avalanche August 28, 2016 10:40 AM  

@83 (Vox) "I look forward to being part of that debate [over whether it is necessary to maintain Christianity]. But very few of those sufficiently conversant with the history of Christendom are going to side with those who claim Christianity is irrelevant to the survival of the West. Even those who are not historically conversant should be able to see what has already come of the post-Christian aspects of Europe and America and conclude that a post-Christian West is not even a possibility."

I am one of those non-believers (actually nearly an anti-believer) who is 100% sure that Christianity is necessary as a central pillar to a recreated/re-energized White/Euro civilization! That *I* do not have the belief necessary, that I lack the ability for faith, which (many?) Christians have, does not mean I do not see (and, yes, wistfully envy a bit) Christian belief as a fundamental basis for our people. (I {wince} and hope we can clean some of the semitic filth off it, but... the belief structure that drove Europeans to build cathedrals, to conquer the world, to build the civilizations that led to us-today is worth anything.)

A post-Christian West is what we are drowning in: throw me a life preserver and I will grasp it.

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 10:41 AM  

That is why #14 needed to be on the list: It's a bug lamp for the enemy.

The fourteen words are, observably, the crux on which everything else turns. I keep coming back to them: they act like kryptonite on my own sentimental tendencies and clarify, in fire, which team people are on. Jews who agree with them are our friends, jews who do not are our enemies. Pretty simple.

The whole article is classic Jewish projection, unreflective self-regard and neuroses. Whenever you hear "white supremacy" you can think "jewish supremacy" which is what we live under (simply look at the supreme court, federal reserve, ivy league school admission demographics, etc.)

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.

Blogger residentMoron August 28, 2016 10:43 AM  

@Robert Divinity

"Either an utter lack of self-awareness or outright lying are needed to make this argument. She does both."

The chosen talking heads are born in, and swim in, the same sea of constant bullshit the rest of us are drowning in.

About the same proportion of them believe it as the proportion of us that believe it. I just don't think she's that smart.

Anonymous Godfrey August 28, 2016 10:50 AM  

Israel walls off Palestinian refugees in the Gaza ghetto and bombs them. Isn't that racist?

Cucks support bombing brown people and destroying their countries in the Middle East. Isn't that racist?

The real racists already run the governments of the West and they wage war on humanity.

Anonymous BGKB August 28, 2016 10:57 AM  

Of course, Graeco-Roman civilization was itself a rich and varied stew of ethnic and cultural elements.

Is she explaining that the Europe of the 1800s had more diverse culture than every black area now?

Leo She might as well say, "Christianity explicitly proclaims the triumph of gay marriage over heterosexual marriage,"

We know who has been to an MCC service.

I've often wondered why the British were able to take over what is now India in such a relatively short time.

English bring clean pump water and medicine, the 5 castes don't like each other.

That should tell you how much mainland Chinese (as opposed to Chinese diaspora) think of (((them))).

They must remember (((their))) part in helping Mao with 100 million deaths.

without being willing to actually move there themselves, and also how many of them support homosexuality.

Well in Israel their choices would be jewish women and guys with small peeners.

This "I oppose the exicistnce of whites and want to deny their kids a future"..

The (((ones))) that like kids like them like Barney Frank, Mark Singer and Lena Dunham do.

Blogger tz August 28, 2016 10:58 AM  

@115 You need at a minimum traditional Christian morality. Not a Sam Harris attempt.

The family is the foundation, especially for #14. No divorce. chastity. Fruitfulness.

Even the moral relativism of the left seems to only apply to sex.

Ayn Rand's heroes spring forth spontaneously. Real ones are made by holy parents.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 10:58 AM  

@95

I read it in its entirety. It's a pretty sharp analysis that reaches wrong conclusions, really.

I do think there is some merit to the view that Clinton's anti-Alt-Right speech was a pretext toward even more Internet censorship. Ryan and cucks like him realize Trump isn't Alt-Right but he was propelled to the top by the same societal forces. Hence the cucks are terrified and will join with the communists to crack down on "hate speech." Think in terms of the previous collusion to take down the Tea Party and the meaningless House IRS "hearings."

The relative ease of (somewhat formerly) First Amendment-protected free speech across the 'Net along with mass private firearms ownership is a major hindrance to the otherwise successful transnational utopian project in the United States.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 28, 2016 11:09 AM  

The Chinese are going to LOVE these folks. Lightly sautéed most likely.

it has been written than the Chinese will eat anything with legs except a table and anything with wings except an airplane. Day's deep-fried Jung with thousand-year eggs.

Anonymous andon August 28, 2016 11:23 AM  

> 66. Blogger David Power August 28, 2016 8:17 AM

No. 15 is an amusing attempt to avoid the unpleasant "white supremacist" label

Being called a 'supremacist' by people who believe they are 'the chosen ones' is always deserving of a comedy double take.


I always enjoy being accused of having "white privilege" by the most privileged group on the planet

Blogger HonorLiving August 28, 2016 11:26 AM  

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Blogger HonorLiving August 28, 2016 11:29 AM  

I have no idea how the people who try to define America as a mongrel nation square this with:

(1) The naturalization act of 1790
(2) The fact that THERE WERE SLAVES
(3) Amazing quotes such as:

With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people -- a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.

- John Jay, The Federalist Papers (Federalist No.2)

It's fairly clear that "all men are created equal" implies a particular extension for the word "men", that does not correspond to the "mongrel hordes".

Note that I'm not even blaming Young for her value stance. She believes in universalism? Good for her. But the question as to whether or not the United-States was founded as a universalist nation is a matter of historical fact, not of personal values, and in this regard she's presumably counting on the ignorance of her readership to peddle this "nation of immigrants" drivel, which is just plain wrong.

You believe that the United-States and Europe owe it to the rest of the world -- the whole 6 billion of them -- to give them a chance to live in your neighborhood? That's fine, but don't do it pretending that this was the original intention of the founders, and hence what the US was about. Acknowledge that you are redefining the American project, and imposing a new one on Europe.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 28, 2016 11:30 AM  

It would appear Hitler was a Jew, a self hating one at that. Can't say I'm surprised.

They have said he is a nigger faggot as well.

includes as a guide for living, why are sodomites tolerated?

We look good in HUGO BOSS. While I might not be on the far right of the IQ bell curve of the VFM, I am pretty sure I am the only one that attended leftists meetings in a Planned Parenthood building and experienced the dysfunction of leftist orgs.

A shill is going to put up a post about murdering a black baby on /pol/, other shills will push it to the top, the (((media)))

Maybe beat them to the punch and have the shill post that he works at Planned Parrenthood.

Blogger chris August 28, 2016 11:32 AM  

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Blogger chris August 28, 2016 11:32 AM  

Another counter argument to the claim Western Culture = Christianity = Middle East = Mongrel Culture is the Europeanisation of Christianity.

The Christianity that came out of the Levant is not the Christianity that flourished in Europe. European nations heavily influenced and changed it to suit their moral make-up.

The best example would be old testament polygyny being reformed under European man's predisposition to monogamy into a Christian rule for monogamy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity#Early_Church_period

Another more obvious example is the representation of God as Zeus or Odin.

Or indeed the introduction of pagan festivals and customs into Christianity like Christmas trees and wreathes.

A good book on this is https://www.amazon.com/Germanization-Early-Medieval-Christianity-Sociohistorical/dp/0195076966

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 28, 2016 11:33 AM  

Phillip George wrote:Who can remember when Egypt was a Christian nation?

Like Christians in Syria. Who in the professional media gives a rat's arse/ metaphorical rodent's sphincter for their extermination by the same ISIS that turns out to be 'good' for Israel?

One of the strongest arguments in the blog. So thanks. Here's fuel for the fire.

On Shakespeare's grave there is an appeal to his posterity calling them "friends". That should paint a picture of who Shakespeare wanted his progeny to be. He says "for Jesus' sake".

I'll translate and paraphrase simultaneously. "Friends, Englishmen, countrymen, for Jesus' sake do not disturb this ground, this England, the foundation for this Church"

It's an extremely loose paraphrase - but what are poet's for?

The Church in China is a Chinaman's Church. The Church in England is an Englishman's. For Jesus' sake there certainly is a Commonwealth. Don't their heritage. Birthrights. Do not disturb them.


Excellent (and agreed this is one of VD's finest posts). One of the real tragedies - not much commented on either - is how the Churchians, the Judeo-Christians - have not only failed to oppose the active extermination of their fellow Christians in the middle-east and the balkans, but have actively supported and participated in the Banana Empire's campaign to do so. Of course, as was pointed out on the recent thread about Judeo-Christianity or Churchians, this is simply further proof that they worship a different god than the historic Christians do.

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 11:40 AM  

Note that I'm not even blaming Young for her value stance. She believes in universalism? Good for her.

That's the thing, my high-trust friend: she doesn't.

She is using our instinctive universalism against us. Using our bible.

MMMMMMM PUT YOU IN MY OVEN

Anonymous Roundtine August 28, 2016 11:40 AM  

Jung thinks that using third worlders to invade and degrade the west will make her appear less foreign to a westerner. It's an aggressive and invasive form of camouflage employed by a parasite.

Jews probably could have blended into white American in perpetuity because their birth rate is lower and most of their politics blends into white progressivism, but once America became diverse, everyone focuses on differences.

Anonymous karsten August 28, 2016 11:44 AM  

"Your allergy to Christianity is an intellectual weakness."

The funny thing is, not only am I not allergic to Christianity, but I admire its aesthetic output so much that I long attacked NRx over the ridiculous "cathedral" moniker, on the grounds that this is an insult to the great European cathedrals, which are as much a wonder of the West (i.e., the white race, but I repeat myself) as are, say, Beethoven's symphonies or Greek temples. (That moniker is also a calculated misdirect by its most famous employer, but that's a different discussion.)

I am anything but Christianity's opponent. However, on its own it has proven to be painfully insufficient, at best -- which is what the NS realized.

At worst? Well, let's just say that it needs to be planted in the master-morality soil of an aristocratic warrior culture, and one that keeps its inherent universalist/globalist and slave-morality tendencies in check.

Blogger psychegram August 28, 2016 11:45 AM  

But very few of those sufficiently conversant with the history of Christendom are going to side with those who claim Christianity is irrelevant to the survival of the West.

As someone who's still on the fence on the issue, I've gotta say that my personal experience bears this out. The anti-Christian sentiment mostly seems to come down to reflexive fedora-tipping.

I'm looking forward to the NSDAP/88 post.

Anonymous andon August 28, 2016 11:46 AM  

@ #109 - Joe Doakes

sounds like your friend is getting what he deserves

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 11:54 AM  

I am anything but Christianity's opponent. However, on its own it has proven to be painfully insufficient, at best -- which is what the NS realized.

It always impresses me how easily we slip into blaming Christianity for what happened to Europe 300 years into its melancholy, long, withdrawing roar.

Agree entirely on the aesthetic point, however. Even the most committed atheist should pine for a return to a Greco-Christian aesthetic environment, and be willing to suck it up and attend a Mass or three per year as payment.

Blogger pyrrhus August 28, 2016 12:00 PM  

Well, VD, you have certainly smoked out (((Ekaterina))) and many of her cohort. What is most shocking to me is that jews like her have not figured out that if white civilization is destroyed, they will be destroyed with it. The Chinese will never see them as anything but gaijin, and the Russians have them figured out after a century of very bad experiences.....

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 28, 2016 12:00 PM  

Cathy kicked herself in the balls on purpose. Stupid mongerel.

Blogger pyrrhus August 28, 2016 12:15 PM  

@83 There can be no question for anyone knowledgeable about history about whether Christianity built Western civilization. Our whole foundation, genetic, legal, aesthetic, and scientific, is derived from the great Christian thinkers, mystics and artists....Mortimer Adler, a famous professor who used to teach the Great Books, converted from Judaism to Catholicism because he so admired the thinking of Thomas Aquinas.

Anonymous FP August 28, 2016 12:25 PM  

@48

"Christianity is downstream from culture. ...

The Alt-Right is culturally Christian, and only culturally Christian"

Reminds me of many Americans/Westerners who've said variations of "I believe in the general goodness of humanity!", "I think people are generally good, kind and caring! Oh, but I'm not Christian or religious. I don't believe in God(s) etc.. There is no sky god, that's just silly hoo-ha. Thats ignorant! Science!"

Where does this universal idea of goodness come from hmm? Like a feminist complaining that no one is stopping to help her change a tire.

Blogger beerme August 28, 2016 12:28 PM  

I love how alien interlopers always define America's founding principles in such a shallow manner and tell us what the founders really meant. If we wanted to know that, we would read the copious writings of some of the actual founders.

I'm glad I wasn't taking a sip of coffee when I read her mongrel culture nonsense. Ekaterina is quite the lolcow when you step on her pet issue.

Blogger huWhite Frog August 28, 2016 1:02 PM  

Forgive me if this has already been answered but I haven't read through all the comments. What verse(s) support this:

>In fact, the Bible not only makes it clear that the nations are established by God, but that they have different spirits that rule over them and that those nations will persist to the end.

Particularly the part about different spirits who rule over them?

Anonymous Charlie Baud August 28, 2016 1:02 PM  

@128

chris wrote:The Christianity that came out of the Levant is not the Christianity that flourished in Europe. European nations heavily influenced and changed it to suit their moral make-up.



I've heard this argument before, but it's never been shown how the fundamental doctrines of Christianity have been altered to suit European tastes. Rather, Christianity has elevated the cultural mores of European people.

chris wrote:The best example would be old testament polygyny being reformed under European man's predisposition to monogamy into a Christian rule for monogamy.

The Old Testament never permitted polygamy. You're confusing a Jewish cultural practice (that was used as evidence by early Christian apologists for how far the Jews had fallen) for Old Testament Law.

chris wrote:Or indeed the introduction of pagan festivals and customs into Christianity like Christmas trees and wreathes.



Those are secondary cultural motifs, not matters of dogma.

Blogger kudzu bob August 28, 2016 1:06 PM  

The Other Robot wrote:The blog Alternative Right appears on April 19, 2010 without any fanfare, it seems.

"It seems" being the operative phrase. What you are linking to from AlternativeRight.blogspot.com originally appeared in the now-defunct AlternativeRight.com.

First there was AlternativeRight.com, founded by Richard Spencer in 2010, which in fact did appear with rather a great deal of fanfare in the sphere now known as the Alt-Right. (All dates here are approximate, since I am working from memory.) Journalist Colin Liddell and novelist Andy Nowicki collaborated Richard Spencer in this groundbreaking project.

At some point Richard Spencer wanted to pursue other projects and turned over everyday operation of AlternativeRight.com to Liddell and Nowicki, although he retained ownership of the site.

In late 2012, for whatever reason, Spencer pulled the plug on AlternativeRight.com. This was controversial at the time, although the hard feelings that arose as a result of this move appear subsequently to have died down.

Nowicki and Liddell quickly started AlternativeRight.Blogspot.com, which continues to this day and provides excellent content.

A year or two after shutting down AlternativeRight.com, Spencer got back into the game with RadixJournal.com, which is essentially an improved version of the original.

Anonymous Charlie Baud August 28, 2016 1:12 PM  

@132

You pin on Chruistianity what was really the fault of Jewish subversion, and by extension Protestantism because one cannot exist without the other. Christianity elevated a bunch of tree-worshipping barbarians into Western Civillization. It was the Judaizing of the Protestants that caused a rift in the social fabric.

I suggest reading "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit" by E. Michael Jones for a more detailed look.

Blogger kurt9 August 28, 2016 1:16 PM  

When Cathy Young starts to advocate opening Israel to immigration, we can take her arguments about American immigration seriously. Until then, there is no reason to listen to her prattling about immigration policy and, indeed, the alt-right in general.

Blogger mistaben August 28, 2016 1:19 PM  

Avalanche,

God knows you. He'll call to you. Just be ready to respond when are does so.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 28, 2016 1:26 PM  

tz wrote:The problem is Israel is a secular, socialist state, and without cash infusions would look like Venezuela. Jews need European Whites like Mexico needs America (Trump will mean Mexico, Honduras, etc. will go Venezuela). Or go back technologically to Cuba or North Korea.

Did (((CY))) ever explain why Israel should continue with Apartheid?

On the Judaeo-Christian front, why doesn't Israel take in persecuted mid-east Christians since they aren't anti-Israel?


I note that (((Ekaterina))) chooses to roost here instead of Israel. Israel is perfectly free to do what it likes within its own borders, and even the socialists there are nationalists. As someone above noted, they have a wall. They also practice a type of apartheid, which they are within their rights to do. In a mirror-image to the massively disproportionate number of the (((tribe))) present in the Banana Empire's faux-legislature, there 13-15 non-Jews in the Knesset (12-13%), even though the population of Israel is 25% non-Jewish (mostly Arab Muslims). Again, as a sovereign nation for Jews, they are perfectly within their rights to not allow any non-Jews to hold government office of any kind.

As for taking in the persecuted Christians from neighboring Muslim states - never going to happen. Not even the Christians of the South Lebanon Army, who served as buffer for Israel's northern border for years, were given refuge when the Musloids over-ran them. However (once again), it's not the job of Jews to take in persecuted Christians.

Blogger bob k. mando August 28, 2016 1:30 PM  

Cathy Young writes for Reason Magazine.

between her and Nick Gillespie, who can stand to read that rag?


Cathy ((( GIVEN NAME ))) Young
and Vox -- a.k.a. sci-fi writer, publisher and blogger GIVEN NAME



this GIVEN NAME schtick is just a passive aggressive attempt to project to ignorant observers that Vox is ashamed of what he's doing and attempting to conceal his true identity. it's an attempt at Narrative Creation.

because only a deceitful coward would be ashamed of his actions and attempt to conceal his true identity, right?


you have to remember that Jung isn't writing this for those of us who know better. like hILLary's speech, it's intended to shape the perception of those who are yet ignorant.

once the uninvolved have already been Conditioned to respond to Theo as being a cowardly deceiver ( because that's all they "know" about him ) it becomes two or three times harder to dislodge this accusation from their perceptions than if they stumbled on his writings for the first time with no predirected expectations to guide them.

this makes it much easier to achieve a knee jerk rejection of what he's saying.

and make no mistake, that's what Cathy ((( GIVEN NAME ))) Young is trying to achieve, the knee jerk rejection of the Alt Right by the general populace.

and it would be dangerous to assume that it can't be done.

the Marxists have been successfully accomplishing this for the better part of a hundred years. who hear remembers the turrible, TURRIBLE ostracism of the Hollywood Blacklist?

ignore the fact that those pieces of shit were supporting homicidal maniacs like Mao and Stalin in 1950, who here remembers that Hollywood ((( GIVEN NAME ))) Marxists were Blacklisting non-Marxists before the HUAC hearings were ever held?

https://youtu.be/SR9nIMOrqy4?t=5m20s

Blogger Dave August 28, 2016 1:31 PM  

Class is in session. Blog posts such as this will be the lesson plans of Late Western Civilization studies.

Anonymous Incurvatus August 28, 2016 1:33 PM  

Speaking of Babelism, it's worth reiterating that the Tower of Babel was the universalist's method to reject God's command to subdue the earth, their attempt to escape God's judgement in fear of another Flood, and illustrative of their rejection of God's promise never again to Flood the earth. As punishment, God established and disbursed the Nations.

Blogger mistaben August 28, 2016 1:50 PM  

That should say "...when He does so."

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 28, 2016 3:50 PM  

bob k. mando
Cathy Young writes for Reason Magazine.

between her and Nick Gillespie, who can stand to read that rag?


She's one of the things I Noticed about Reason a few years back; on some topics, there was no reason in Reason, just emotional pleading or ranting. Holocaustianity and drugs, there's no dialectic to be found.

Blogger Sheila4g August 28, 2016 3:54 PM  

@101 Nate: "I love how its perfectly normal for japanese to value japanese culture... but its completely unthinkable that a white guy should value western civilization."

Oh, (((Ekaterina Jung))) is quite explicit that one can value western civilization. What she denies is that such civilization is the product of a particular genetically-related group of people which gave rise to a particular culture. Her western civilization, you see, is the product of multiculturalism.

@107 tz: "Even Christianity isn't sufficient. Japanese are 10% Catholic, but they still are Japanese. . . Anyone can come to Christ and obey the commandments. . . That will baptize and fix many problems in their original culture. . . But God's kingdom is not of this earth. Civic affairs require reason and civic virtue, and that varies by culture."

Well said. While Christianity is fundamental to Western Civilization, is not sufficient in and of itself. That the particular product of White, European genetics, Graeco-Roman thought, and Christianity produced the world's greatest body of thought, art, and music in known history is what people like (((Jung))) and others dispute. Nigerian Christians may today be better keepers of the commandments than many Europeans, but they remain Nigerian. While I'm not a biological determinist (obviously, given my own background), HBD is scientific fact. One is given certain genetic predispositions, strengths, and weaknesses. That free will exists is repeatedly borne out by the existence of outliers, but it still takes a great deal of self awareness and work.

@131 Roundtine: "Jews probably could have blended into white American in perpetuity . . . but once America became diverse, everyone focuses on differences."

I'd disagree that the cause of noticing differences is primarily diversity (if I'm correctly understanding your point). While there is a stereotypical Jewish phenotype that a significant portion of Jews bear out, there is also a not insignificant number (many of whom are mischlings of some sort) who look neither "fish nor fowl." The point being that (((they))) are determined to remain "a people apart" at the same time they insist they are, simultaneously, part of the whole. Not merely part, but the smartest, and most important part. That's why (((they))) love to explicate what America's Anglo-Saxon founders really intended - it's all in the family, you see.

While I loathe the hypocrisy and lies, I can understand those as part of mendacious humanity. What I cannot comprehend is so valuing a particular genetic identity that, when examined dispassionately, did NOT play a significant part in the creation or maintenance of the Western Civilization so many of (((them))) love to write about, live amongst, and ultimately work assiduously to destroy. And to value that identity to the denigration or outright denial of all others. I know nothing of (((Jung))) other than what I've read here, but why could she not choose to identify with the Renaissance, Michelangelo, or even Italian cuisine? To use a public example, the children of Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones are 50% Welsh, 25% other White European, and merely 25% Jewish. Yet they've been raised as self-aware Jews, with the boy wearing a Jewish star around Europe and than upset about the negative attention he received. The Welsh culture, folklore, and history utilized in Susan King's "The Dark is Rising" series so fascinated me that they led to my Fulbright and overseas post graduate study. Why downplay that half of one's heritage? In Weimerica it pays, and it has a certain networking power, although one can hope both will pass sooner as the Alt Right rises.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 28, 2016 4:24 PM  

Cathy Young Anglo-ized her name, so she must be aware of the reality that American = Anglo-European Christian culture. As opposed to say Hindi Indian or Arab Muslim.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 4:34 PM  

@13 residentMoron

And it only adds insult to injury that "Jewish-Americans" constantly demand that white people secure a nation for the jews, and a future for jewish children.

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Oh I'm going to use that every time from now on dealing with these clowns

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 4:46 PM  

@45 Steve

Who the fuck hates children?
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Malthusians and globalists

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 4:50 PM  

@63 Scifipie Guy

Thank you, American Spartan. Can you give me a clue as to what I should specifically be looking for? Thank you. The way you say to read the immigration posts, I get the impression you think I should take particular note of.
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After reading your first post, I think you would love the book Cuckservative.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 5:07 PM  

@98 Lovekraft
@95: my advice that I've been pushing recently is that we have no obligation to respond to marxist accusations since they are the ones projecting. Develop the tools with which to put their accusation back onto them.

For example: "Trump is a racist who hates Mehicans and Mohammedans. Mwaaaah!"

Reply: "what are the marxists doing to ensure we don't have to make such statements?"
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That's too dialectic. Rhetoric would be something like

Reply: Crying about racism again? Go to your safespace loser. Mexicans have Mexico as a safe space. Rags have middle east as a safe space. So STFU you fat loser.

Or something along those lines :P

Anonymous Roundtine August 28, 2016 5:18 PM  

@153 Sheila4g FWIW, I was referring more to politics than physical appearance. Increase in diversity>white identity emerges>establishment Jews oppose it. The whole (((parentheses thing))) wouldn't work nearly as well if most of the names with ((())) around them weren't attacking white identity and nationalism.

If whites were still a majority, they would be focused solely on Red vs Blue, intrawhite politics.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling August 28, 2016 5:20 PM  

@95 Millenium:

the cucks and leftists in congress will use it to justify new hate speech laws.

We don't have any as such right now, and the creation of them, whatever the justification and of course assuming they stand up in court, would be a sign that the shooting war here is going to begin rather soon.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 5:22 PM  

@129 Gen. Kong

Of course, as was pointed out on the recent thread about Judeo-Christianity or Churchians, this is simply further proof that they worship a different god than the historic Christians do.
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It's the same one the globalists worship in bohemian grove.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 28, 2016 5:35 PM  

Cathy Young Anglo-ized her name, so she must be aware of the reality that American = Anglo-European Christian culture. As opposed to say Hindi Indian or Arab Muslim.

Anonymous Charlie Baud August 28, 2016 5:42 PM  

@107

"Even Christianity isn't sufficient. Japanese are 10% Catholic, bit they still are Japanese. The Nordic Lutherans that came to Minnesota brought their soft socialism with them. France had a revolution. Polish Catholicism produced JohnmPaul II."

The Koreans are 10% Catholic, the Japanese are less so. I wouldn't use the Japanese as an example, theirs is a dying, fatalistic culture. As for your other examples, the fault lies not with Christianity, but with it's corruption. Nordic Lutheranism, as with other forms of Northern Protestantism, is is a judaized corruption of Christianity that enabled the subversion of the west.

https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2015/12/07/philo-protestant-lies-about-usury-paedophilic-hypocrisy/

The French Revolution was likewise a Protestant/Jewish attack on a rival catholic nation.

http://www.culturewars.com/2008/JRSInterview.htm

John Paul II has less to do with the strong Polish catholic tradition (which had been weakened by Communism), and more to do with subversive modernist theology.

http://www.novusordowatch.org/pope-saint-john-paul-ii.htm

"It was non-conformist English protestants who wrote the declaration, articles, and constitution."

And that was its undoing.

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/a-declaration-of-catholic-independence

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 28, 2016 5:58 PM  

VD wrote:Christianity is downstream from culture.

Hopelessly wrong. Identity > Culture > Politics. Christianity is CLEARLY an identity element, and a strong one at that, not a cultural one.

This is your problem, Karsten. You are far more interested in attacking Christianity than making sense or being correct.


I don't know if Karsten is Heathen or Agnostic.

The former doesn't really have Daddy issues as they have an All Father of their own and a King for the Hellenic ones.

Pagans, Wiccans and the like are not European ethnic religions and are Cathedral mostly as such while a few individual Wiccans like some Jews may be on our side, the faiths such as they are generally not

Many Heathens like Asatru Folk Assembly (AFA) , Odinists , Hellenics Baltic and Russia traditionalists are strongly pro White and pro Tradition as well

The AFA for example basically agrees with the 14 words as stated policy

That said, probably 2/3 of the .alt right is some kind of Christian and as such they are likely to have the strongest effect on the formation of the new cultural foundation.

The minuscule number of Heathens and the larger number of Atheists and Agnostics don't have a foundation to build from.

The reformed state may not end up Christendom 2.0 or it may not, its undecided and Europe is much less Christian than before but in any case there is no interest in persecuting Heathens that I know of and a such for people who want a functional White civilizations its a far better option

Right now we don't have the energy to waste on infighting anyway. Having at least some foundation is essential to having a future and if the foundation is more Christian than not, its a small price to pay to win.

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2016 6:33 PM  

The alt-right is not "suddenly" the political hot topic of the day. They prepare these things well in advance. Not that she was in the loop. But she could at least point out that she's being compelled by the opposition to talk about it. Or maybe she doesn't know, and mainstream conservatism is stupider than I thought.

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2016 6:35 PM  

The alt-right is not "suddenly" the political hot topic of the day. They prepare these things well in advance. Not that she was in the loop. But she could at least point out that she's being compelled by the opposition to talk about it. Or maybe she doesn't know, and mainstream conservatism is stupider than I thought.

Blogger Mark Butterworth August 28, 2016 8:11 PM  

I agree that Christianity is essential to the future of Western Civ, but the heart of the matter is what kind of Christianity?

A Christianity based on its current set of dogmas and doctrines will not work for the thinkers, movers and shakers presently and to come on the Alt Right.

Scholarship, archeology, and other aspects undermine too many Christian shibboleths and tenets.

For example, the Christian adherence to the notion that that Bible (Old and New Testaments) was written (“inspired”, a term never defined) by God. The fact is that people write books. God does not write books. He doesn’t need to for obvious (or not so obvious) reasons.

The OT is filled with falsehoods. Solomon, for example, never existed as far as anyone can tell. Not a single shred of evidence. David is tenuous, but there is a single stele referring to Omri (I believe) as of David’s house.

Not a single prophecy (often claimed as proof of God’s input) ever came to pass exactly as claimed it would.

So much lifted from Egyptian literature including Moses “song” at the parting of the Red Sea.

That’s a tiny sample of falsehoods in the OT.

****

The NT has the problem of retroactive writing. That is, post-resurrection experiences (insights, analogies, theology) and revelation transferred to pre-resurrection Jesus.

The fact is that we can’t be sure of anything the NT claims that Jesus said or did or any other claims such as Mary and virgin birth. (If God has no problem incarnating into a shitting, pissing, farting, scratching, and belching human, exactly how is it necessary the mother be purer in some way?)

Paul pretty much nailed it when he pointed out before there was any canon of texts that all one need for salvation was to know (see, experience) the Risen Jesus. That’s all that’s needed for faith; a personal revelation of Truth.

Paul added that Jesus’ death was an atonement for sins, but that metaphor no longer stands up since, 1) it is an analogy, an interpretation of an event, and 2) the metaphor is based on the notion that Jesus is the new Adam. Adam fell, Jesus redeems that Fall.

Natural history illustrates that sin and death were created, built into the universe and life, long before Mankind arose. No one caused sin and death to exist except God, thus no redemption for it is required. (I’m being brief as possible, hence no long argument.)

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Then, bring into the mix Open Theology which removes omnipotence and omniscience from the usual portrait of God in the sense of willed destinies and determined lives, and you have a greatly different Christianity, but thoughtful people might embrace it if they are willing to ask to know if Jesus is real and alive. To seek the transcendental experience of reality.

The current form of Christianity is a dead end, but it will persist no matter what since people are credulous and lazy and generally refuse to further question or investigate traditional doctrines.

That won’t work for the intelligent elites who determine the spiritual tone of a society. Thus, you will have a people separate from the leadership as we have today, and such division leads to disaster (as it is doing now).

Christianity must reform and eliminate unessential dogmas, reducing it back to its first and initial form, the experience of the risen lord, or the West will be terribly divided. Islam does not have this problem right now. Thus, it is ascendant.

People want the truth, but Christian fables and fairy tales no longer suffice. The truth is very simple. The Church created complications that exist now and are failing it.

Blogger tz August 28, 2016 8:45 PM  

@147 - exactly. Glenn Beck complains that only Slovenia will take Christian refugees and only 150. But fully supports Israel.

@148 Reason Magazine is to the media what the Libertarian Party is to politics - a self-parody. A recent new Libertarian, Jason Stapleton (who has interesting thing to say) calls Johnson/Weld Mr. Bean and Wild Bill. I assume (((KJ))) is the same. Is she an Jungian archetype?

@45/@156 Abortionists and the Mothers that go to them.

(General) George Washington Carver was in church asking about creation and became an innovator. I cannot think of a single Asian inventor or innovator even at his level although it was cited that 2% get perfect SAT math scores. Whites slack and get lower scores but innovate and create. I can't think of even one political philosophy document from the east like Locke, Rousseau, Adam Smith, etc. I can't even find bad philosophy. They get high scores because they are drudges for doing homework because of conformity pressure.

@163 thanks for the interesting references, but I did point out the wall of separation between general and spiritual virtue and civic virtue. Your elaborations are well taken.

@167 I won't comment beyond the observation that the signers of the Declaration and later the Constitution managed to agree on a biblical civil order without all the nonsense deconstruction. Truth is truth, and even myth is true if it leads reasoning to the correct result.

The current common Christianity is corrupt. I've pointed to Chuck Baldwin (but could point to a list) of Christians who view things through the lenses of the black robe regiment in 1776. They are not few, but not well publicized. It is THAT Christianity which the Alt-Right is seeking even if they don't know how to label it

Blogger Mark Butterworth August 28, 2016 10:12 PM  

tz wrote:@147.

@167 I won't comment beyond the observation that the signers of the Declaration and later the Constitution managed to agree on a biblical civil order without all the nonsense deconstruction. Truth is truth, and even myth is true if it leads reasoning to the correct result.

The current common Christianity is corrupt.


It seems to me that a biblical civil order depends on the bedrock of a pervasive spiritual order and culture. The deists among them could depend on the people and their tenets.

That's not the case now, and can't be rebuilt. There's no going back, of course, but what is forward going to look like?

It is not that current Christianity is corrupt (because of entryists). It still provides individuals personal salvation and better lives. Faith is good for souls, but few get far with it, and accept what they're told and taught and leave it at that or study it to accept and argue (apologize) for it.

Christianity is not working, though, as the cultural glue, shared experience and belief, principles and morality en masse that affects leaders, the nominal, and indifferent.

What does Christianity have to look like in order to become the heart of the West again, the apex of our civilization from Greece, Rome, and the tribes of Europe?

It has to make sense. The doctrines, dogmas, traditions, and texts of the Church once made the most sense to our civilization as an explanation of how things are and came to be.

Few believe that now, and fundamental creationists et al are a marginalized fringe.

People who accept or experience the revelation of the Risen Lord have to jump through casuistic hoops to justify the doctrines that have encrusted the faith over two millennia. It's a Gordian knot for most modern, educated people and ridiculous to try and untangle when the reality of faith is much much simpler - Ask, and the answer will be given, and once given there isn't anything more to add to that revelation that one can't figure out for himself if conscientious.

The letters of John illustrate a basic cleft in the Church. John admonished his group to simply seek to know what was needed from the Holy Spirit. Direct access to God, he asserted, they received with their revelation and baptism. But they kept wanting certain advice, insight, interpretations from others. They wanted to grant authority to others, and not God, for their spiritual practice and understanding.

They turned away from prayer, and the hardship of focusing solely on God in exchange for a more certain fellowship with the many and guidance from clever men.

But that's the way of the average. They always follow the lead of others. The question is where are there going to be spiritual leaders for the mass to follow that includes the ruling elites?

Faith has to make sense to those elites, too, or they will not be influenced by it. They don't have to believe, but they must bend the knee and account for it. They must at least pretend the Faith is True because opposing it makes them lose status and influence, and enough of them must practice it sincerely to give that class a backbone of spirit and morality; and a sympathetic connection to the hoi polloi.

Blogger CashBailey August 28, 2016 11:53 PM  

Cathy Young cucked herself for all eternity when she attacked Lauren Southern.

How could any sentient being say anything bad about Lauren. She's an angel, where Cathy is a grump old spinster.

Well, I'm assuming she's not married. If she weas getting a semi-regular dicking she probably wouldn't be such a miserable cow.

Blogger Tom K. August 28, 2016 11:58 PM  

https://youtu.be/eQMzJ5Z7zBw

Blogger Natalie August 28, 2016 11:59 PM  

Butterworth - the atonement of Jesus Christ for the sins of Man is the foundation of Faith. Without it you cannot have Christianity. You do not reform the Church by hacking away at it's foundations.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 29, 2016 2:04 AM  

Ah... the GIVEN NAME shtick.

Here you go: https://tempestinateardrop.com/archives/season-2-01-interns/

It's a shame about Ms Young. You'd think by now that those fighting the cultural Marxists wouldn't let those same yahoos derail them so easily.

I would have thought that when Sally the gender-fluid Uruk Hai points and shrieks at the baby-eating, tree-killing Rhohirrim, the self-proclaimed defenders of the West would show a wee bit more scepticism.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 29, 2016 2:33 AM  

Oh, I wanted to post this very thing. I know it's petty to say so, but she's not terribly quick witted, and her voice is...bizarre. I was so struck by it's oddness, I had to go back & listen to that interview a 2nd time, in order to get the gist of her argument. Waste of time. It was just typical blather. I really, really find her repellant.

Anonymous Charlie Baud August 29, 2016 3:41 AM  

@167

Mark, don't be a fucking retard. You're advocating the kind of liberal scholarship that has deliberatly undermined Christianity not based on facts, but on political assumptions. Fortunatly, modern archaeology has continuily vindicated the Bible inspite of the liberals best efforts.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/12/141216100433.htm

You give no example of a failed prophecy.

David Rohl has vindicated the historical credibality of the Exodus.

Look up Tim McGrew's arguments for the credibility of the Gospels.

https://ichthus77.com/2015/04/30/reliability-of-the-gospels-lecture-series-tim-mcgrew/

Original Sin can and has been reconciled with evolution.

https://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2011/09/modern-biology-and-original-sin-part-ii.html

Do some research before you take superficial liberal criticism of Christianity at face value.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 29, 2016 3:45 AM  

Libertarianism is a stalking horse for Nihilist Globalist Babelists and their Cultural Marxist Multiculturalist cousins.

Blogger Mark Butterworth August 29, 2016 8:19 AM  

Natalie wrote:- the atonement of Jesus Christ for the sins of Man is the foundation of Faith. Without it you cannot have Christianity. You do not reform the Church by hacking away at it's foundations.



The essence of faith is the encounter with the Risen Lord (according to Paul), that Christ crucified lives, is God.

The Atonement is simply a metaphor attempting to account for his death. It is not the only meaning anyone has to apply if they wish.

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Charlie Baud,

1) Demonstrate one single bit of evidence that Solomon ever existed. There is none. He is as fictional a character as Tobit or Job, or do you contend those folks existed, too?

2) Jeremiah's prophecy of the return from exile. Some Jews did return but many years apart (much sooner) than the time stated by Jeremiah. If God is writing the book and knows all, why can't He be accurate?

There is no absolute credibility for anything in the NT (apart from resurrection since anyone can meet Jesus today if they desire to) since the only record we have are some testimonies that may or may not be accurate, and a good deal of fiction such as in the Gospel of John where whole, carefully parsed almost Greek expositions are imparted at length by a highly dialectical Jesus (completely out of character with the synoptics); and who knows what various pericopes were invented and inserted.

At this point, everything might as well be called fiction since you, nor anybody else since that time were there.

What you can testify to is your encounter with the risen lord that changed your life, and all the truth that God has since imparted to you that might be examined for sense, logic, and non-contradiction.

3) You have a confirmation bias against any scholarship that disproves your cherished notions.

4) Original Sin cannot be reconciled (not with evolution which I did not assert as the basis of rejection) with the facts of natural history. Sin and death were built into the universe from the start. Mankind had nothing to do with their existence which predates his appearance by a very long time.

5) Why do you require fables and fairy tales to distract you when you have God in three persons to guide you as to God's nature and your own?

The Bible can be helpful, maybe even essential for many a conversion, but God didn't write it. People write books. Not God. What makes that so difficult for you and others to grasp?

6) You do realize that people came to faith and the experience of the risen lord before there were any texts. They heard something, were told something, opened themselves up and were saved.

7) I doubt you have ever met the risen lord face to face, Abba, or the Holy Spirit. You wouldn't be quite so dogmatic if you had and subsequently gotten to know them better through prayer instead clever people's endless rationalizations.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 29, 2016 1:42 PM  

Steve wrote:Who the fuck hates children?
If I must fight the lice for the future of my children, I am perforce obliged to hate the nits.

Blogger Scifipie Guy August 29, 2016 3:03 PM  

Thanks for the reading lists A.S. and were puppy. The more I read, I realize how much the less I know. I have to say also, that some of you here are very knowledgeable, intelligent beings. I've gained some insights that leave me hunkering for more. I've been reading almost non-stop the last few days. I'm not in to the religious aspect of our western civilization, although I grew up Episcopalian (church of England), but I agree the free practice of it is important to our culture. On another note, I feel no particular connection to Europe myself. All I know is America. That's all I care about really, but if we need to support Europe to help white western civilization, well then, I will. One big problem I have though, is their suicidal import of their own destruction, not that the USA isn't also, albeit on a much larger scale in Europe. Their leaders have betrayed the citizens, as many of ours are doing here. This to me is unconscionable. So many cucks, not enough men willing to stand up for whites. I agree with China for Chinese, Japan for Japanese, etc etc, what are we to do here? We're soon going to lose control of the internet to the scum of the u.n. so how will we communicate, organize, etc? I know many of us have stocked arms and ammo for what we see as an inevitable fight, which is fast approaching. So what's next? I'm but one person, we need to be united against formidable enemies and high technologies. What say you learned folks?

Anonymous SciVo August 30, 2016 4:22 AM  

Scifipie Guy wrote:All I know is America. That's all I care about really, but if we need to support Europe to help white western civilization, well then, I will. One big problem I have though, is their suicidal import of their own destruction, not that the USA isn't also, albeit on a much larger scale in Europe.

It's actually on a much smaller scale in most of Europe. For one thing, Europeans have more clearly defined national cultures, so a smaller existential threat provokes a stronger response. For another, although la raza and the third hijra are using the same strategy, indios are better neighbors than moslems -- much less likely to spontaneously commit mass murder -- so we don't notice that while they're a tenth as bad, they're ten times as many. And they really do want to Make America Mexico Again.

Scifipie Guy wrote:We're soon going to lose control of the internet to the scum of the u.n. so how will we communicate, organize, etc?

If that happens, we can count on the geeks to work around that through things like mesh networks made through open-source hardware. One thing about aspies, they despise liars and manipulators. They do not want to be a drone in your hive. Attempts to control them provoke deep hate, and they will reject your rationale as automatically invalid because the result is wrong. Charm can actually backfire.

Scifipie Guy wrote:So what's next?

When the debtberg hits, the advantages of collectivization of capital will disappear. When currency is worthless -- when the map burns up -- you will want to be holding the metaphorical terrain of real production capacity, even if only at the "family farm" or "cottage industry" level. (It's a reversion to an earlier time, but better than not even having that.) The guns are to prevent Leviathan from a mass confiscation of anything of real value when its illusion of wealth is dispelled.

With the hollowing out of our industrial base and the aging of the men that used to service it, there has been a great loss of tool and die makers. If you have any talent for it, then that would be a great competitive advantage to pursue, with the goal of being able to duplicate every tool that you have. Open-source hardware is generally designed with that ideal in mind; it's kind of the whole point.

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