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Saturday, August 27, 2016

Cold War II

The Saker explains that while there is conflict between the Imperial USA/NWO and Russia, it is not a rehash of the rivalrly for global leadership that took place between the US and Soviet empires.
It is absolutely amazing how hard it is for so many people to understand the seemingly simple fact that Russia is not a USSR v2 nor an anti-USA. It is therefore absolutely essential to repeat over and over again that the Russia of 2016 has no aspirations to become an empire and no means to become a global challenger to the AngloZionist hegemony over our planet. So what does Russia want? It is simple: Russia simply wants to be a sovereign and free country. That’s it. But in a world ruled by the AngloZionist Empire this is also a lot. In fact, I would say that for the international plutocracy ruling the Empire, this Russian aspiration is completely and categorically unacceptable as it sees this Russian desire as an existential threat to the USA and the entire New World Order the Empire is trying to impose upon all of us. They are absolutely correct, by the way.

If Russia is allowed to break free from the Empire, then this means the end for the Empire’s global domination project as other countries will inevitably follow suit. Not only that, but this would deprive the Empire from the immense Russian resources in energy, potable water, strategic metals, etc. If Russia is allowed to break free and succeed, then Europe will inevitably gravitate towards Russia due to objective economic and political factors. Losing Europe would mean the end of the AngloZionist Empire. Everybody understands that and this is why the ruling 1%ers have unleashed to most hysterical full-spectrum russophobic propaganda campaign in western history. So yes, Russia and the Empire are already at war, a war for survival from which only one side will walk away while the other will be eliminated, at least in its current political form. This war is a new type of war, however, one which is roughly 80% informational, 15% economic and 5% military. This is why the ban on the Russian paralympic team is every bit as important as the delivery of US and British counter-battery radars to the Nazi junta in Kiev.

If militarily and economically Russia is dramatically weaker than the US led block of all the countries forming the Empire, on the informational front Russia is doing much better. It is enough to see all the hysterics of western politicians about RT to see that they are most definitely feeling threatened in an area which they used to completely dominate: information operations (aka propaganda).

The goals of Russia are quite simple:

a) military: to survive (defensive military doctrine)

b) economic: to become truly sovereign (to remove the 5th columnists from power)

c) informational: to discredit and de-legitimize the Empire political and economic basis

That’s it. Unlike the grandiose hopes of those who wish to see the Russian military intervene everywhere, these 3 goals are commensurate with the actual capabilities/means of Russia.

One cannot win a war by engaging in the kind of warfare the enemy excels at. You have to impose upon him the kind of warfare you excel at. If Russia tried to “out-USA the USA” she would inevitably lose, she therefore chose to be different in order to prevail.

There are still many out there who are nostalgic for the “good old days” of the Cold War when any anti-US movement, party, regime or insurgency would automatically get the support of the USSR. These are the folks who deeply regret that Russia did not liberate the Ukraine from the Nazi junta, who fault Russia for not standing up to the USA in Syria and who are baffled, if not disgusted, by the apparently cozy relationship between Moscow and Tel Aviv. I understand these people, at least to some degree, but I also see what they plainly fail to realize: Russia is still much weaker than the AngloZionist Empire and because of that Russia will always prefer a bad peace to a good war. Besides, it is not like there was a long line of countries waiting to defend Russia when her interests were affected. Does anybody know which countries, besides Russia, have recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Answer: Nicaragua, Venezuela and Nauru! Yep, not even Kazakhstan or Syria… Isn’t friendship and partnership a two-way street?

The truth is that Russia does not owe anything to anybody. But even more importantly, Russia does simply not have the means to engage in a planetary zero-sum game against the AngloZionist Empire. Since Vladimir Putin came to power he achieved a quasi-miracle: he made Russia into a semi-sovereign state. Yes, I wrote semi-sovereign because while Russia is militarily safe she remains economically subservient to the AngloZionist Empire. Compared to the Empire, her economy is tiny and her armed forces only capable of defending the Russian homeland. And yet, just as the tiny Russian contingent in Khmeimim achieved results way superior to anything which could have been expected from it, Russia is still the only power on the planet who dares to openly say “niet” to the AngloZionist Hegemon and but to even openly challenge and even ridicule its legitimacy and so-called ‘values’.

The war between the Empire and Russia will be a long one, and its outcome will remain uncertain for many years but, as the Russian saying goes, “Russia does not start wars, she ends them”.
I think Hitler and Napoleon both had better chances of defeating the Russians than the crumbling US empire does. First, due to their desire to hold onto their hegemony of Europe, the globalists of the West are focusing on the wrong enemy; it is China that has global ambitions, not Russia. Second, their cultural Marxism, combined with decades of constant interventionism, has so weakened the US military that it is not even capable of defending Ukraine if Russia decided to take it.

Third, and most importantly, the Russians have absorbed one of the great lessons of history, which is that empire always enervates, corrupts, and eventually destroys. England would still be a world power if she had resisted the temptation to build an empire. The Third Reich would still dominate Europe today if Hitler had been content with Austria and the Sudentenland. The USA is already experiencing the inevitable consequences of imperial hubris and overreach; both Russia and China have to do little more to "defeat" the globalists' attempts to use the US military to enforce their institutional global hegemony than staunchly defend themselves and wait patiently for its collapse.

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177 Comments:

Blogger Richard Tengdin August 27, 2016 1:10 PM  

You have to wonder if Niven and Pournelle's Co-Dominium formed from an Alt-Right USA and a Putinesque Russia. Two natural allies against the Progressive/Coersive Golbalist block in the EU.

OpenID paworldandtimes August 27, 2016 1:12 PM  

The USA is already experiencing the inevitable consequences of imperial hubris and overreach

The founding principle of the US Empire is the ongoing and escalating betrayal of its core population since 1954. The empire is now running on complacency and fumes, as far as it's reserve of loyalty from Americans themselves, its sole competent population.

PA

Blogger Lucas August 27, 2016 1:18 PM  

In termos of propaganda, it seems that the Russians are much more skilled than the Atlanticists. Also, the fact that the USA has been having "easy" victories for over 20 years may have made them soft.

So on on hand we have a nation that seems to be pretty homogenous and single minded in their desire to survive, and on the other hand we have a compilation of various and most of the times antagonic ethnic groups united under the banner of the "USA", and who are fighting for.....money and power (?).

Yeah, we know how this ends.

Blogger Lucas August 27, 2016 1:22 PM  

Still in terms of propaganda, all Russians need to do to cause relative havoc in American forces, is to tune into the Christian mindsent, and make Christians see how America has been treating their faith for the last 40/50 years.

"Fight for sodomy and abortion" doesn't sound like the kind of banner that may motive Christians to go to war.

Anonymous Mike August 27, 2016 1:30 PM  

Of course, to the extent today's Russia strives to preserve its traditional demographics and religious beliefs, it IS the "anti-US," which is now the world's leading proponent of radical egalitarianism.

Blogger pyrrhus August 27, 2016 1:36 PM  

The amusing part of NATO's antics on the border of Russia is that NATO is no match for Russia's conventional forces, but if that ever looked like a problem, Russia would use tactical nukes, and has said so...Vast amounts of US taxpayer money being wasted on this insanity...

Blogger Unknown August 27, 2016 1:39 PM  

The Putin-felatio is vigorous today, I see. What evidence is there that the Russian Federation is anything other than a slowly crumbling Petro-state, lashing out as it dies?

Because, from where I am standing, that is all I see. And no, that isn't a defense of the Globalist Project, just an honest assessment of the Russian position.

Anonymous TS August 27, 2016 1:46 PM  

"What evidence is there that the Russian Federation is anything other than a slowly crumbling Petro-state, lashing out as it dies?"

Honest you say? Ok, Where is Russia 'lashing out'?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 27, 2016 1:53 PM  

Wow, already 9 comments in and Quartermaster isn't here yet to tell us that everything we know about Russia is wrong

Blogger Robert What? August 27, 2016 1:54 PM  

While not a totally valid assessment, it is interesting how the US and Russia have swapped places in the last decade: the communists/globalists are now in the US, and the nationalists are in Russia.

Blogger VD August 27, 2016 1:56 PM  

The Putin-felatio is vigorous today, I see. What evidence is there that the Russian Federation is anything other than a slowly crumbling Petro-state, lashing out as it dies?

1. Its life expectancy has risen from 64 to 70 in 21 years.
2. Its birth rate has risen 36 percent in the last 17 years.
3. Its leader doesn't hate it, but is dedicated to its national interests.
4. Its military completely outperformed the US military in Syria this spring and summer.
5. Its public debt is 14 percent of GDP, US public debt is 108 percent of GDP.

Anonymous BGKB August 27, 2016 1:57 PM  

amazing how hard it is for so many people to understand the seemingly simple fact that Russia is not a USSR v2

Its Russia without jewish control. And as @7 shows they are afraid.

cultural Marxism, combined with decades of constant interventionism, has so weakened the US military that it is not even capable of defending

Since the prerfumed princes of the Pentagon allowed trannies to openly serve they have the Queen Berets
Fighting soldiers on heels high,Fearless men’s hair purple dye,Men who are mean as they sashay ,The brave femen of the Queen Beret

Silver balloons as fake breasts,These are men, America’s left behest ,One hundred men we'll HIV test today,But only thirty three win the Queen Beret

Trained to live, off welfare's land,Trained in combat, purse to hand,Men who dance by night and day,Bathroom Creep, from the Queen Beret

"Fight for sodomy and abortion" doesn't sound like the kind of banner

Churchill was in charge of the Navy and said all you have to know about it is "rum sodomy and the lash" Not sure what the lash is about.

Related: This reminds me of one of the most important WikiLeaks releases the Rivkin document, how ((())) took France from a nation that didn't allow McDonalds to having blacks torch thousands of cars in the capital
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/05/14/in-honor-of-french-reader-understanding-the-rivkin-project/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/10/current-europe-the-rivkin-project-full-video/comment-page-1/

Anonymous MK August 27, 2016 2:00 PM  

“Russia does not start wars, she ends them”

Snort. Poland August 1939. Where they invaded/imprisoned/killed hundreds of thousands. And of course after WWII the Iron Curtain.

Russians have so much blood on their hands in the last 100 yrs there simply isn't enough Russians on the planet to kill to complete the revenge. Everyone has to wait in line...another Russian gift to their neighbors, invade them and then make them stand in line to get eggs...

Blogger ZhukovG August 27, 2016 2:01 PM  

@7 The only crumbling I see is in the United States as it shambles towards increasing social and eventually political dis-union.

Blogger justaguy August 27, 2016 2:09 PM  

I don't have any insight into the Russian philosophy, but to reinvigorate a nation, there has to be some idea of a nation and a people with a common heritage, culture and goals. Few under 30 seem to have this in the US or Europe-- does Russia? With it, some leader will tap into it. Trump is tapping into this identity but doesn't have the under 30-- where it has all but disappeared.

Blogger VD August 27, 2016 2:11 PM  

Citations needed, Vox. Where are you getting the demographic data?

Fuck you. Banned and spammed. Don't ever come back.

No one who can't use fucking Google, but instead claims "citations needed" is permitted to comment here.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 27, 2016 2:12 PM  

I'm sure the globalists don't want to actually defeat Russia.

They just want the Cold War back.

Let's face it. The Cold War was a golden age for them

Blogger ZhukovG August 27, 2016 2:13 PM  

@15 The data is easily available to any 'honest' researcher. Unfortunately the 'honest' part is probably going to be an insurmountable challenge for someone like you.

Blogger VD August 27, 2016 2:17 PM  

Unfortunately the 'honest' part is probably going to be an insurmountable challenge for someone like you.

Exactly. Unknown exposed his intrinsic dishonesty there, not that it wasn't already apparent from his previous comments.

Anonymous fred August 27, 2016 2:19 PM  

"the globalists of the West are focusing on the wrong enemy; it is China that has global ambitions, not Russia."

Yes, but you're missing the prize that the globalists really have their eye on: Russia, unlike China, is full of white Christian people. Until Russia and Ukraine and Poland and Hungary have been fully mongrelized, filled with African rapefugees fleeing from the turrrble horror of not being around de white wimminz, and (((white genocided))), that is where the full court press will be. If there are still white babies in Russia or Poland in another generation, (((someone))) will be really upset.

"2. Its birth rate has risen 36 percent in the last 17 years."

Sounds like good news, but how much of that is Muslim? Lots and lotsa Muslims in Mother Russia these days....

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 27, 2016 2:19 PM  

slowly crumbling Petro-state, lashing out as it dies?

I'd still take that over a rapidly inflating Fiat-Empire.

Anonymous fred August 27, 2016 2:23 PM  

"Russians have so much blood on their hands in the last 100 yrs there simply isn't enough Russians on the planet to kill to complete the revenge."

I think what you meant to say is, Bolshevik Jews have so much blood on their hands that etc &c. Except of course you probably ARE a Bolshevik Jew yelling Look! Squirrel!

Never seen that before.

Blogger VD August 27, 2016 2:24 PM  

Lots and lotsa Muslims in Mother Russia these days.

You have it backwards. There are a lot fewer than before the Chechen Wars.

Anonymous Takin' a Look August 27, 2016 2:28 PM  

@ Vox Day

"Fuck you. Banned and spammed. Don't ever come back.

No one who can't use fucking Google, but instead claims "citations needed" is permitted to comment here"

I would've thought that response harsh a few years ago, not anymore, especially after reading SJWAL.

Blogger Bard August 27, 2016 2:30 PM  

Exactly. Hold for another 10 years and watch the USA collapse. Then watch how fast they move.

Anonymous fred August 27, 2016 2:31 PM  

"You have it backwards."

If you're right, I'll be very happy to be wrong.

Blogger Tribal Emissary August 27, 2016 2:31 PM  

"...both Russia and China have to do little more to "defeat" the globalists' [...] than staunchly defend themselves and wait patiently for its collapse.

Given the bottomless, androgynous navel-gazing reality repulsion of 'r' Selection, millennials, once in power, will not have the testosterone, nor the sociopathic want to strap on the boots of their Neocon predecessors. Generation Y, and possibly those millennials old enough to remember 9/11 were the last generation from which Neocons could be recruited.

Now, when young spawn hear, "Hitler hated the Jews," they ask, innocently, as if trying to understand the villain of a fairy tale, "Why?" only to discover that Jews have been kicked out of 109 countries. This is the generation that has given rise to the Alt-Right. They may not have created it, but they surely form the Hastati of its ranks. And it's the same generation that is no longer a-feared of Socialism as their Red-Dawn-watching parents once were and still are.

Nationalists, be they socialist or of the anti-Imperial Alt-Right variety, are the life sprouting forth from this cultural winter. And given the TFR of Lefties, that r-selected Thing unearthed from the primal Antarctic of human biology, is burning rather than retreating back under the ice.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 27, 2016 2:32 PM  

Ironic that the narrative is that the evil, imperial Soviet Union of the 1940s was our brave and noble ally in a crusade for freedom in WWII while the relatively tame, nonthreatening, Gulag-free Russia of today is supposed to be seen a covetous empire and the greatest threat to global stability.

As a nationalist, I'm of course opposed to the Russians being present in the Baltics, Poland or most of Ukraine - either militarily or as ethnic minorities. But this looks too much like the WWII narrative all over again where large, globe straddling empires are hypocritically trying to convince us that a regional power's relative minor squabbles with bordering countries justifies risking a major conflict.

Blogger Bard August 27, 2016 2:32 PM  

24) It is now good vs evil. All the other terms: black vs. white, liberal vs conservative, left vs right, blue vs red states was an illusion to hide the real battle. After all, phrasing it in terms of compromise entails tolerating a certain level of sin and evil which is hardly acceptable.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 27, 2016 2:36 PM  

I'm trying to remember something from my Russian History courses.

The professor had an axiom, "that Russia will always be a problem for whoever the leading naval power happens to be".

I can't remember his reasoning but that guy called the fall of the Soviet Union right in 1985, when it wasn't all that obvious.

Anonymous artaud August 27, 2016 2:36 PM  

"nor the sociopathic want to strap on the boots of their Neocon predecessors"

Show me a neo-Cohen who ever strapped on a boot (instead of getting some sucker goy to do it for him) and I'll show you a horse with nineteen legs.

Hi, Ben!

Blogger VD August 27, 2016 2:41 PM  

I would've thought that response harsh a few years ago, not anymore, especially after reading SJWAL.

Over the years, I've learned not to be "reasonable" with that sort. They are very adroit at constantly pushing at the line, sticking their toes over, then dancing back when warned. That's why I don't warn them anymore. Once they ID themselves, they're gone.

He'll be back under another name, but I'll recognize him soon enough.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 27, 2016 2:45 PM  

paworldandtimes wrote:The USA is already experiencing the inevitable consequences of imperial hubris and overreach

The founding principle of the US Empire is the ongoing and escalating betrayal of its core population since 1954. The empire is now running on complacency and fumes, as far as it's reserve of loyalty from Americans themselves, its sole competent population.

PA


Yes. My only quibble is that I would place the empire's date of founding as 1914 - 1933 at latest. Some would argue 1865 but using the US military for imperial adventures was taken for its first test-ride in the role of Banksteins' goon-squad only in 1898 with the grab some of the last of Spain's ramshackle imperial holdings (Cuba, Puerto Rico, Philippines).

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 27, 2016 2:48 PM  


The professor had an axiom, "that Russia will always be a problem for whoever the leading naval power happens to be".


Cataline, that appears to be based on Kitchener's Doctrine. I think it needs to be placed in the mindset of British Great Gamers. The philosophies of the Crimean and Boer War fighters.

Talk about fighting the last war...

Anonymous Philipp August 27, 2016 2:48 PM  

It is like a role reversal. The Soviet Union used to be an ideological empire. They were a multi-national empire whose leaders thought of creating a homo sovieticus.

Now it is the U.S. who is an empire spreading its ideology around the world.

But when people stopped believing in Communism there was nothing that kept the USSR together.

The U.S. will suffer a similar fate.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 27, 2016 2:52 PM  

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Blogger Salt August 27, 2016 2:54 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:My only quibble is that I would place the empire's date of founding as 1914 - 1933 at latest.

If Empire, look to August 16 - 17, 1941, Reykjavik, Iceland, when Roosevelt met with Churchill. Churchill needed help. There was a price; transference of Empire.

Blogger Shimshon August 27, 2016 2:55 PM  

Good on Russia. A little absurd on the AngloZionist label. The "cozy" relationship Israel has with Russia is neither baffling nor disgusting. And shows up entirely the concept.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 27, 2016 2:57 PM  

Mackinder, Geographical Pivot of History. Heartland Theory.

It appears the elite still subscribe to this notion despite the development of the ICBM and the airplane. They appear stuck in the Russian containment model and Russia is still fighting it.

Anonymous BGKB August 27, 2016 2:58 PM  

Show me a neo-Cohen who ever strapped on a boot (instead of getting some sucker goy to do it for him

They do have a boot licking fetish.

Blogger pyrrhus August 27, 2016 3:02 PM  

The history of Great Powers has shown that sea powers generally defeat land powers. But I suspect that has completely changed now that the land powers have multiple and inexpensive ways of blowing Naval vessels out of the water, and at long range. Yuri Orlov has talked about this....A $10 billion carrier, with 5000 crew, is now a sitting duck....The pentagon's answer--build more carriers!

Anonymous problematic algorithm August 27, 2016 3:02 PM  

#35 This, in spades. We are a 'nation' bound together by debt-financed welfare payments and jealous hatred of the creative intelligence of Western Man. When that party ends, people will revert to tooth and claw, fire and sword, nuclear detonation and starvation blockade. God help us all.

Blogger pyrrhus August 27, 2016 3:03 PM  

@38 Israel is nothing if not pragmatic....

Blogger pyrrhus August 27, 2016 3:04 PM  

Fred Reed opined on the 3 kinds of military stupidity a while back. 1.stupid, 2.really really stupid, 3. Attacking Russia.....

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 27, 2016 3:06 PM  

As I noted over on Unz , the Russians need only wait while the US Empire auto genocides its founding stocks and faith to win.

A few decades, three at the long end and the US is either a 3rd world country which Russia can handle like any other or more probably several smaller nations some of which are friendly

The demographics, infrastructure issues and economic ones are all killing the Empire

This will probably be Putin's successors work though depending on the next elections it might be his and of course if the Neo-Cons get in charge and get stupid, its all over in a few months I suspect the survivors will be suing Russia for peace as we won't ave a fleet or any bases and if unlucky any static infrastructure either

Blogger ZhukovG August 27, 2016 3:08 PM  

Just a quick reminder concerning Russian demographics.

Ethnic Russians make up 81% of the population of the Russian Federation. More importantly the next largest group, Tatars make up less than 5% of the population.

Tatars are largely Muslim. But, most of them live in the Autonomous Republic of Tatarstan. They would be considered 'liberal churchian' Muslims if ever there were any and they are very content within the Russian Federation.

Most Muslim issues derive either from purely criminal activity or from international Islamists that have infiltrated into the Caucasus region.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 27, 2016 3:11 PM  

Given their history, I don't know if the Russians can ever muster the moral and political capital to do this (Markku presumably has a better opinion), but what Russia should do, if it's even possible and maybe it's not, is create a new alliance with the Baltic states, Finland, Poland, Ukraine and Hungary, with the understanding that it's not about Russian domination, it's about re-establishing Europe as the property and heritage of Europeans and not foreigners. Then the long, slow rollback into Paris and Ireland begins.

Blogger ZhukovG August 27, 2016 3:15 PM  

@47 It would be nice, but not happening given the history. What would be plausible would be for Poland and the former Warsaw Pact countries, minus Russia, to form their own cooperative alliance.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 27, 2016 3:18 PM  

"the Russians need only wait while the US Empire auto genocides its founding stocks and faith to win."

The Chinese military high command writes openly about this in their research journals (which are funded by your debt/tax dollars, btw). In their view, China doesn't need to do anything bold or aggressive to achieve world domination, they just need to sit tight and remain Chinese while the United States commits ethnographic suicide. Who is going to defend Western culture, a bunch of illiterate diabetic Oaxacan paupers armed with leaf blowers?

Blogger frigger611 August 27, 2016 3:19 PM  

Well, let's hear from the man himself: Here is V. Putin practically defining the alt-rt for us, (apologies, Vox)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSX2ALtIejw

Any right thinking man will not fail to note the profound difference between this leader, and the one who wears mom jeans.

Blogger Joe Keenan August 27, 2016 3:23 PM  

@33 The Empire, in its nascent form, was there from the beginning. America was always an imperialist power, it conquered Florida in 1812, Texas 1836 - 1845, bought the Louisiana Territory in 1803, and then there was the whole Western Expansion. The Spanish American War of 1898, all this stemmed from the idea of manifest destiny held by some of the founders. The idea of manifest destiny has been traced back to the religious fanatics from New England (see, Yankee Babylon). American over reach has been going on for awhile, we may have gone too far with the latest series of wars.

Blogger Lucas August 27, 2016 3:23 PM  

I would've thought that response harsh a few years ago, not anymore, especially after reading SJWAL.

I haven't read SJWAL (yet) but I have the same feelings as you. When I started blogging, I was all "let's all get along and discuss these issues with respect" and "I am sure we can find commom ground or something". But after a while it became obvious that they are not honest.

Now, as a way to kick out the trolls, I have made rules that allow me, for example, to ban them the moment they type "God" with a small "g". Too harsh? Maybe, but that's a very good indicator that they are not worthy to debate with.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 27, 2016 3:24 PM  

@48 -- yeah, I see what you mean, and what you've suggested is actually my long-game theory. After all, Lithuania/Poland/Ukraine was once a polity. If all those countries formed a federation, it would show strength in the face of Russian domination, and then they could negotiate with the Russians as equals, and use Russian muscle to get Europe back in shape. It would be a high T show of will.

Blogger dienw August 27, 2016 3:26 PM  

The quote, fighting the last war... is not about fighting upon the same ground for the same national interests; the latter do not significantly change.

The quote, ""that Russia will always be a problem for whoever the leading naval power happens to be" is about the ground and enduring national interests.

Anonymous Garrulus August 27, 2016 3:26 PM  

today at brandenburger tor: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cq4z8fZWYAAHFaa.jpg:large

Anonymous SciVo August 27, 2016 3:36 PM  

paworldandtimes wrote:The founding principle of the US Empire is the ongoing and escalating betrayal of its core population since 1954.

No, since the Uncivil War.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 27, 2016 3:37 PM  

@dienw, no shit.

Blogger Yvonne Lorenzo August 27, 2016 3:44 PM  

"Third, and most importantly, the Russians have absorbed one of the great lessons of history, which is that empire always enervates, corrupts, and eventually destroys."

This is obvious yet nevertheless brilliant insight, Vox. If America doesn't change course soon, it will ends as all empires do and badly. Perhaps the Alt-Right is the last hope we have.

Anonymous Godfrey August 27, 2016 3:45 PM  

An interesting factor in "Cold War II" with Russia is the class war the Globalists are simultaneously waging on the western middle-classes (and the rest of humanity). Where did the Alt-Right come from? It was born of necessity. It's pure survival instinct.

We know what's going on. Crony political wealth Globalists are USING refugees and immigrant as shock troops against native populations throughout the west. They seek to destroy the independent middle-class in order to cement their political power and crony-wealth.

Anonymous Godfrey August 27, 2016 3:55 PM  

Class consciousness is on the rise throughout the west. I have more in common with the working man in France, Germany, or Mexico than I do with American billionaires or politicians.

***And I'm not talking Marxist class analysis here. Marxist class analysis is bullshit and is used tactically by the uber-wealthy to destroy the middle-class.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 27, 2016 3:55 PM  

@Godfrey. Their crony wealth? How do you think they are going to preserve their proceeds of selling out Western Civilization. Luxury Satellites orbiting the Earth slum. Their tactics have to take that non-possibility into consideration. If they can't flee the zombie horde they create their other option seems clear to me.

Blogger The Other Robot August 27, 2016 3:58 PM  

@61: I hear they are banking on moving to Mars.

Anonymous Godfrey August 27, 2016 4:09 PM  

@Art. I don't pretend to understand it all, in the final analysis I think it diabolical in nature, but it's pretty obvious the crony-wealth class seeks to destroy the West (and the Middle-East). How will they preserve their wealth? Maybe they'll preserve it by reducing the size of their club. In the end it simply isn't going to be as big as most of insiders believe. And the zombie hordes? I think they're to be mostly eliminated. Globalists are definitely into significantly depopulating the planet.

Blogger VD August 27, 2016 4:12 PM  

You're a petulant cocksucker, Vox

Unknown


Nailed it. They always lie and they always project.

Blogger Madame Ringading August 27, 2016 4:18 PM  

If I see moves to terraforming and biodomes in the tech sector, that might have some weight to it.

Blogger rcocean August 27, 2016 4:19 PM  

Yeah, I'm always amazed at the Russophobia. Its seems to come from 2 sources (1) the neo-cons and (2) the military-industrial complex that needs an enemy to justify the DoD budget.

People in group (2) are being somewhat cynical, but I sympathize because the American sheeple are such dumbasses. We need to keep our powder dry, but unless you scare America with some foreign boogy-man they won't do it.

OTOH, I'm completely at a loss at the Zionist hatred for Putin. He's seems to be pretty pro-Semitic and has a lot of Russian Jews in powerful positions.

Blogger rcocean August 27, 2016 4:21 PM  

All I know is that, the fate of Kyrgyzstan or Georgia, or many of the former USSR republics is not in our hands. We couldn't prevent Russia from taking them even if we wanted to. And given that Russia still has 10,000 nuclear warheads, I think we should get along with them rather then piss them off.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2016 4:30 PM  

@62
I hear they are banking on moving to Mars.

Right after the Vogons get done with their bypass, I'm sure.

Funny how this article totally neglects the offensive action of "Godfather" Vlad Putin in totally controlling the alt-Right, as Hillary Rodan Clinton babbled about the other day. Can't understand that oversight.

LibDems used to be pretty keen on "Russia" back before the Berlin Wall fell down.

Blogger praetorian August 27, 2016 4:31 PM  

The Putin-felatio is vigorous today, I see. What evidence is there that the Russian Federation is anything other than a slowly crumbling Petro-state, lashing out as it dies?

Lashing out?

By sailing their country right up next to our ships?

Blogger rws August 27, 2016 4:32 PM  

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Blogger Positive Dennis August 27, 2016 4:37 PM  

I have been going to Russia since 2001. The improvement is obvious without needing any statistics. The improvements in the food stores, the items in the Russia Best Buy, Dorado, are high quality, and the food is superior.

Anonymous Takin' a Look August 27, 2016 4:37 PM  

@Unknown

Any sympathy you might've garnered amongst the rest of us is squandered.

This is not our first rodeo, we've seem precisely what Vox and Lucas have described, even been on the receiving end of it. It's not an effective tactic anymore. You've shot your load and coarsened millions.

We are polite, if cynical at times, but honest, you....are none of those.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2016 4:38 PM  

Unknown displays classic SJW gammadom in lying and doubling down.

Yet another Scalzied manboob troll. Yawn.

Blogger Nemontel August 27, 2016 4:41 PM  

@13 Russians have so much blood on their hands in the last 100 yrs there simply isn't enough Russians on the planet to kill to complete the revenge.

It should be: (((Russians))) have so much blood on their hands in the last 100yrs there simply isn´t enough (((Russians))) on the planet to kill to complete the revenge.

Ignorant dude, i was once as ignorant as you and then i read Culture of Critique, so get to it: www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/goyim/je1.pdf
And visit Kevin Macdonalds blog: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2016 4:45 PM  

And given that Russia still has 10,000 nuclear warheads, I think we should get along with them rather then piss them off.

Really not sure how many they still have, a lot were dismantled and the fissionables sold off in the 1990's. However the Russians are definitely working on improved delivery systems both IRBM and ICBM, as well as much upgraded SAM and ABM missiles. Not on the scale that the USSR did, sure, but they are working on that stuff.

Which ties back to Sakers observations about meddling in the Russian "Near Abroad". NATO doctrine assumes air superiority / supremacy, and that looks pretty doubtful over the Baltics or far Eastern Europe.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 27, 2016 4:50 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:The history of Great Powers has shown that sea powers generally defeat land powers. But I suspect that has completely changed now that the land powers have multiple and inexpensive ways of blowing Naval vessels out of the water, and at long range. Yuri Orlov has talked about this....A $10 billion carrier, with 5000 crew, is now a sitting duck....The pentagon's answer--build more carriers!

Now that the USS Harvey Milk is under full oar-power, perhaps our genius overlords could come up with a new sooper-carier with 10000 dindus dubbed the USS Hank Johnson - guaranteed to capsize faster than Guam.

Anonymous anonymusmusculus August 27, 2016 4:51 PM  

@55 That is nice to see. Thank you for posting it. I was there 30 years and there were homeless Turks lazing about EVERYWHERE. I was shocked. I didn't know at the time that they were Turks (probably with German citizenship), but they obviously were foreign freeloaders of some kind. Once I starting looking around I could see uniformed police keeping a discrete eye on them, probably to make sure they didn't bother us tourists.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 27, 2016 4:52 PM  

@13
@74
That reminds me, next time my local library has "Banned Books Week" I need to suggest Two Hundred Years Together by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, because as far as I know it is still only available in Russian. Translation is unthinkable.

Should be fun for everyone.

Blogger rws August 27, 2016 4:53 PM  

I'm sure it annoys the Russians that they don't have the means to follow the Chinese example for world domination.

Just buy everything and then move in.

I give you as examples the demographics of the Chinese cities of Vancouver and it's neighbors Richmond, Burnaby and Coquitlam.

In the last 20 years there have been over 100,000 millionaires move to the Vancouver area. Yes. Really. One guess where they came from.

No nasty little wars required and all the modern infrastructure already provided by stupid and greedy gwailo(White Ghosts).

Anonymous CowboysAndIllegalAliens August 27, 2016 4:57 PM  

@66 OTOH, I'm completely at a loss at the Zionist hatred for Putin.

I don't completely understand it either. One lead would be the semibankirschina. From what I recall, Putin or Putin's allies played a not-so-unimportant role in breaking up the power the ((oligarchs)) had created in collapsing and post-Soviet Russia. A few even had to flee back to Israel. He hasn't exactly played ball with what the author calls the Anglo-Zionist MO lately either.

The other obvious suggestion is that ((they)) are projecting their hatred of the Russian people onto their leader, because they've never truly forgiven those "serfs" for the pogroms--like they'll never forgive the Germans for da shoah, Americans for not accepting six million Jewish refugees during WW2 (and for keeping them out of WASPy country clubs, of course), the British for not allowing them into Parliament until 1858, and so on.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 27, 2016 5:02 PM  

"OTOH, I'm completely at a loss at the Zionist hatred for Putin"

There's no mystery to it at all. Putin governs a country full of white people, and Zionists are dedicated to exterminating white people.

"I" before "E" except after "C".

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 27, 2016 5:07 PM  

Godfrey wrote:Class consciousness is on the rise throughout the west. I have more in common with the working man in France, Germany, or Mexico than I do with American billionaires or politicians.

***And I'm not talking Marxist class analysis here. Marxist class analysis is bullshit and is used tactically by the uber-wealthy to destroy the middle-class.


Actually, Marxism has been a con-game from the start. The factory-workers, farmers (peasants) and Dilberts - the legendary 'proletariat' - were never overly enthused about Marx's half-assed theories. The contraption has always been a binary racket of mid-wit intellectuals and oligarchs (Banksteins) in the west. A variant on the idea was found China (under Mao) and in other parts of Asia, Latin America and Africa where it was merely a vehicle for a big man and his cronies (Pol Pot, Castro, et al) - fueled by anti-colonalism.

Blogger Elder Son August 27, 2016 5:13 PM  

I have more in common with that working man in South America pushing his plow and wishing to just be left alone.

Blogger bob k. mando August 27, 2016 5:20 PM  

ah.

i remember the days when *i* was the short tempered asshole not interested in extending any further consideration to those who had demonstrated their fundamental deceitfulness.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 27, 2016 5:23 PM  

It looks like a masterful play of Grand Strategic defense

Blogger Kona Commuter August 27, 2016 5:23 PM  

Excellent article. Thanks for sharing it, I definitely learned a thing or two & gained a different perspective. Now I'll peruse the comments here :-)

Blogger Were-Puppy August 27, 2016 5:23 PM  

@17 Cataline Sergius
I'm sure the globalists don't want to actually defeat Russia.
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From what I understand, Putin has it in for the globalists, got Soros on warrant, etc.

Blogger Shimshon August 27, 2016 5:36 PM  

@66 "OTOH, I'm completely at a loss at the Zionist hatred for Putin. He's seems to be pretty pro-Semitic and has a lot of Russian Jews in powerful positions."

Putin is probably the most philo-semitic leader in Russian history. I don't think there's much hatred in Israel for him. Obviously certain (((neocons))) are of a different mind.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 27, 2016 5:43 PM  

@68 A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents

Funny how this article totally neglects the offensive action of "Godfather" Vlad Putin in totally controlling the alt-Right, as Hillary Rodan Clinton babbled about the other day. Can't understand that oversight.
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That was a hilarious part of HillDawgs speech.
I believe I got the original graphic for this from a post on this site:

https://i.imgflip.com/19j00x.jpg

Blogger Were-Puppy August 27, 2016 5:47 PM  

@76 Gen. Kong

Now that the USS Harvey Milk is under full oar-power, perhaps our genius overlords could come up with a new sooper-carier with 10000 dindus dubbed the USS Hank Johnson - guaranteed to capsize faster than Guam.
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What's really hilarious about the whole Hank Johnson thing is his sincerity in making that statement

Anonymous Rezny August 27, 2016 5:59 PM  

@87, no. The most philo-semitic leader in Russian history was Lenin. A Jew.
In late 1917 there were 22 narkoms - Soviet "ministers". 20 were Jews, 1 was Georgian (Dzhugashvili, aka Stalin) and 1 Armenian (Protian).
Until Stalin purged Jews en masse, everywhere in all places of power 80% were Jews and the rest were minorities like Latvians or Caucasians.
The military commissariat consisted of 35 Jews, 7 Latvians, 1 German and 0 Russians. That's about (((Russians))) spilling anyone's blood after 1917.

I think I know where it stems from. Back in 965 Russia destroyed a nomad slaver empire of Khazaria, refugees from whom turned into Ashkenazim. They seem to have took a grudge.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 27, 2016 5:59 PM  

Another thing, past wealth preservation and production what value is most of our infrastructure to the elites? Wrecking the world in a war with Russia is fine with them so long as they can preserve their golden bunkers. They've already proven in Russia and the Ukraine that they are willing to climb over stacks of bodies to achieve their "more peaceful and verdant world".

Blogger pyrrhus August 27, 2016 6:01 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:
The history of Great Powers has shown that sea powers generally defeat land powers. But I suspect that has completely changed now that the land powers have multiple and inexpensive ways of blowing Naval vessels out of the water, and at long range. Yuri Orlov has talked about this....A $10 billion carrier, with 5000 crew, is now a sitting duck....The pentagon's answer--build more carriers!


Now that the USS Harvey Milk is under full oar-power, perhaps our genius overlords could come up with a new sooper-carier with 10000 dindus dubbed the USS Hank Johnson - guaranteed to capsize faster than Guam.
Heh....

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 27, 2016 6:02 PM  

Isaiah 28:14-16 KJV
Wherefore hear the word of the Lord , ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith the Lord God , Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone , a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Blogger rcocean August 27, 2016 6:08 PM  

the fact is that if Putin wanted to move into the Ukraine tomorrow, we couldn't stop him - short of a nuclear strike. Its what 5,000 miles away, the US army/marines probably has a couple hundred thousand fighting men, assuming we could actually get them to the Ukraine and logistically support them.

And assuming the various foreign mercenaries, minorities, and women who make up our Ground forces would actually fight.

Blogger rcocean August 27, 2016 6:09 PM  

OTOH, I'm sure that the US army could beat the Russians in a test on"Mult-culturalism"

Anonymous Utah Siener August 27, 2016 6:29 PM  

The lash is the whip for flogging ill disciplined sailors with

Blogger Megamerc August 27, 2016 6:43 PM  

I would be more inclined to say there is a cold war between China and the USA rather than USA and Russia. The general espionage and information warfare between China and USA is escalating constantly. Combined with China's military vamping, especially of their Navy, things look to be headed that way if not already arrived. China is rapidly improving their space program and technology of all types, infrastructure, and military capabilities. The PLA used to be a joke, but it's a joke that's no longer funny. The USA's plans to put a missile defense system in South Korea, and China's relations with North Korea, both remind me of the USSR and Cuba. Throw in the fact that China is trending towards cutting more and more of its economic ties with the USA and things are getting colder and colder all the time.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 27, 2016 6:47 PM  

rcocean wrote:OTOH, I'm completely at a loss at the Zionist hatred for Putin. He's seems to be pretty pro-Semitic and has a lot of Russian Jews in powerful positions.

Putin broke the power of the (((oligarchs))), the (((looters))) who stole the wealth of the Soviet Union at the collapse of Communism. Russians needed some help setting up the structures of a Capitalist economy, so they asked Harvard and (((Goldman Sachs))) for help.
they set over (((experts))) and (((technocrats))).

These (((people))) set up several of their (((fellow tribesmen))) to basically steal everything that wasn't nailed down, including Russia's oil and gas, gold and diamond mines, even the telephone system.

Putin has been working, more or less successfully, to bring these monsters to heel.

And that's why American (((Neo-Cons))) hate him so much.

Blogger Elder Son August 27, 2016 6:56 PM  

Putin Calls Billionaire Oligarchs Cockroaches for Closing Factory

https://www.youtube.com/results?q=putin+to+oligarchs

Blogger Groot August 27, 2016 7:07 PM  

It is not the whole conversation, but an essential tool to anatomize the situation: This map shows who is paying the piper and, thus, who is calling the tunes.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 27, 2016 7:20 PM  

I don't believe the GDP as far as I could throw it, but damn Africa got real skinny.

Blogger Mastermind August 27, 2016 7:21 PM  

"Russia simply wants to be a sovereign and free country."

Not true. Russia wants to be a regional hegemon and subjugate its neighbours (which it has been doing, collapse of the soviet union or not, there's a reason Ukraine wound up with so much Russian territory, for example and it's not world renowned Russian generosity). It has no global aspirations because it has no global position. Other than that the only difference between Putin and Obama is that Putin isn't dumb enough to fill up the Russian military with women, faggots and trannies.

The problem comes with the basic fact that Russia's neighbours hate Russia (and rightfully so), and as a pretend superpower the US has to at least pretend it wants to help them. What it comes down to in practice is that Putin does an extremely stupid military move, the west slaps him with sanctions, Russian economy takes a hit, Vox cries about poor Putin, rinse and repeat. Of course, since many writers on the alt right have no skin in the game they have no trouble setting up Russia to fight their battles for them, hurting both Russians and their neighbours, and increasing the chance of endless military conflict. At this point the chances of an intelligent foreign policy on behalf of either the west or russia are pretty much zero. It's either deranged neocons or deranged Russophiles.

Blogger Elder Son August 27, 2016 7:39 PM  

Of course, since many writers on the alt right have no skin in the game they have no trouble setting up Russia to fight their battles for them, hurting both Russians and their neighbours, and increasing the chance of endless military conflict.

Just so you know, we have a direct line to USNATO, State Dept., and George Soros affiliated NGO's.

Blogger Elder Son August 27, 2016 7:41 PM  

P.S. While at the same time setting up Putin to establish the New World Alt-Right Order. Through our direct line of course.

Blogger VD August 27, 2016 7:51 PM  

The history of Great Powers has shown that sea powers generally defeat land powers.

Unless the sea power gets arrogant and imperial. See Athens circa 404 BC.

Anonymous Rezny August 27, 2016 7:54 PM  

@102
(((Right))) to hate is slave morality. Rights are derived from morality, and morality is derived from authority. And if one needs a (((right))) to hate something, an authorization to hate - his (((hate))) is phony, and his aggressiveness is most questionable. It's probably some else's aggressiveness he upholds and acts on.
You hate because you do experience hatred as an active part of inner fight-or-flight response, not because chief Obongo allows you to. If you need chief to give you a right to hate, you're a dog at best, not a hater.

Western upper class most probably hates Russia and acts accordingly, it doesn't need (((rights))) to do so.
The dog doesn't hate, it just wants a tasty bone from the master and reacts as ordered.

Blogger VD August 27, 2016 7:56 PM  

The problem comes with the basic fact that Russia's neighbours hate Russia (and rightfully so)

And yet, they are beginning to state openly that the EU is a bigger danger to them than Russia.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 27, 2016 7:57 PM  

"The problem comes with the basic fact that Russia's neighbours hate Russia (and rightfully so)"

All I can say to them is, they're gonna hate Africa and Syria and India and Southeast Asia a whole lot worse, because that's what's coming to town, if they don't join the team and go in for the big win.

"Hey, we cames all da way here, on leaky boats an' sheet, and dey ain't no white wimmenz left! Where all da white wimmenz be at?! Whatchoo thank we came here for, fool? Democracy?"

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 27, 2016 8:08 PM  

Russia doesn't pose an actual strategic threat to anybody on the planet, so long as they keep in their sphere (which they can't afford to expand from) their geopolitical importance is below Mexico's. The big threat that they pose to (((some people))) is that it's a great big giant country full of smart white people which, after decades of (((oh, I dunno, somebody's))) misrule, is on the rebound.

There's an old joke that God created whiskey so that the Irish would not take over the entire world. Same thing about vodka and Russians. If they ever sober up, (((somebody))) has got a few things to worry about.

Blogger Elder Son August 27, 2016 8:21 PM  

In a full blown toe to toe, our vaunted Sea Power is kaput. Technology has made it so. Even the Iranians, if they were so disposed to, could sink our ships in the Gulf.

Submarines are a different matter, but we are falling behind.

Anonymous MK August 27, 2016 8:24 PM  

@13 It should be: (((Russians))) have so much blood on their hands in the last 100yrs there simply isn´t enough (((Russians))) on the planet to kill to complete the revenge.

OK. Russians were co-oped by Jews...who are the ones really to blame for Russia's invasions, camps, and death. The actual Russians? Nothing to do with it. Mighty handy to have (((something))) to blame for everything.

I'm just left wondering how Poland escaped the (((Russian))) fate, and then actually taking down down (((Communism))). My puzzler is smoking here.

Anonymous Rezny August 27, 2016 8:26 PM  

@105
An interesting topic. Sea power is made to look "generally victorious" because both British Empire and America are sea powers and we happen to discuss it in English, so private interest.

Then I consulted Google for Thalassocracies pwnd by Tellurocracies.
- Athens defeated by Sparta
- Carthage defeated by Rome
- Japanese invasion of Korea failed even while started with total naval supremacy over a relatively minor power never known for sea voyages
- Venice defeated by Ottomans in 7 wars out of 8 (and Ottomans were always lame sailors, there wasn't a time Turks could defeat a Dutch-Swedish ripoff of Russian Navy)
- Great Northern War, Russia started without a fleet and ended with one, meaning that ships don't help invading a land power really
- Inconclusive - British-French-Italian offence halted by Russia during Crimean War
- Allied fleet almost secures victory in Korea, before China spills from deep inside the continent
- US lost to a thin shore country with no navy to speak of, that is Vietnam

So while at times Navy seems supreme due to tech development and specific conditions, thinking of Thalassocracies as somehow having a great advantage just by virtue of having ships seems wishful thinking. Probably a fallacy stemming from success of the British Empire well before aviation and rocketry, but with printing and literacy to spread the image.
Ships were great and speedy way to deliver troops and firepower before railroads, jets and (IC)BMs, today I wouldn't be sure about that.

Anonymous andon August 27, 2016 8:48 PM  

@ #97 - what happens when the U.S. and Europe decide to stop buying from China?

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 27, 2016 8:52 PM  

The Brits lost the Revolutionary War.

Anonymous fred August 27, 2016 8:55 PM  

@112 -- well I think you make a lot of good points. There may be no historical rule governing the matter, but (speaking as the descendant of a long line of fishermen and USN sailors) I think there may be some social-capital benefit from the sheer complex weirdness of managing a navy. Any idiot can gather his mongol hordes and rampage across the landscape, but building and sailing and managing a fleet of ships takes a bit more doing. Maybe has some ev-psych value, I'll leave it to the experts.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti August 27, 2016 8:59 PM  

@113

That would depend on the managers of the Anglosphere economies deciding to value long-term sustainability over cheaper widgets. So, not bloody likely.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti August 27, 2016 9:04 PM  

@111

I agree, the ((())) thing is weird. I'm generally quite sympathetic to the "alt right" but unlike intelligence or slow-twitch musculature I just don't see a racial basis for alleged cultural deficiencies. I guess that and a more sympathetic view of Empire is why I'm more of a neoreactionary.

Anonymous andon August 27, 2016 9:24 PM  

@ #116 - I meant the average person though. if they finally woke up and realized they didn't need half the stuff they bought. not to mention building up the next enemy

Blogger dienw August 27, 2016 9:28 PM  

US lost to a thin shore country with no navy to speak of, that is Vietnam
You do not know your history.
The United States lost to a Leftist Democratic Party that controlled Congress, the media, the cultural institutions, and the riots.

Blogger Joe Keenan August 27, 2016 9:45 PM  

@112 Good point, but flawed. As Pericles, the Father of Athenian democracy lay dying, the Athenians hid behind their mighty walls as plague ravaged them. Why? Because the rest of the Greeks got tired of their political hegemony their sea power gave them. So the Greeks, who only hated foreigners on their soil worse than each other, united to crush the Athenians. This included closing down the sea lanes so the Athenians could not receive supplies as they were under siege. Rome became a sea power, they recovered Carthaginian ships and improved on them (they were good engineers). Naval wars are always fought to win land battles. If the Japanese failure in Korea (which I'm hazy on) can be traced to anything, it may be poor execution. Note the tremendous American success at Inchon for example. The Ottomans were in fact tremendous sailors. Columbus voyage to the West was because of Ottoman domination of the Eastern Med. The Western Europeans were ready to circumnavigate the world to avoid them. The US accomplished its strategic objectives in Vietnam. Vietnam fell in 75, two years after the peace. It fell because America failed to live up to its treaty obligations to supply the South with war materials.

Anonymous andon August 27, 2016 9:51 PM  

It fell because America failed to live up to its treaty obligations to supply the South with war materials.

democrats in congress?

Blogger Joe Keenan August 27, 2016 10:09 PM  

@121 Yes. As a result of that, to cover up their perfidy, they wove a meta narrative of American failure. This narrative was there almost from the beginning, and presets some of the greatest military successes of the the American fighting man as a failure. In particular, the Tet offensive, which was the best example of double envelopment and total destruction of your enermy since Barca crushed the Romans at Cannae. Just as the Tet offensive was presented as an American failure (in spite of it being an amazing victory) the outcome of the war was presented as a failure of the American fighting man and military establishment, which in fact it wasn't. The South Vietnamese were betrayed by the Democrats in Congress who failed to abide by the treaty obligations. They failed the South Vietnames, and they besmirched out fighting men.

Blogger Midgardian August 27, 2016 10:12 PM  

http://pithysayingsandmiscellany.blogspot.com/2016/08/alex-jones-is-not-alt-right-and-real.html

Blogger Joe Keenan August 27, 2016 10:18 PM  

@123 I'm shocked Hillary even mentioned Jones. Seems kind of over the top, who after all takes the guy with the chainsaw voice serious? He's a crank. Is Hillary drowning and she's thrashing about looking for anything to grab on and stay afloat?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 27, 2016 10:38 PM  

Darth Dharmakīrti wrote:I just don't see a racial basis for alleged cultural deficiencies. I guess that and a more sympathetic view of Empire is why I'm more of a neoreactionary.

You see what you choose to see and hear what you choose to hear.
Try opening your eyes sometime.

Your sympathetic view of Empire has nothing to do with the matter. the Empire is crumbling and will not last another 20 years.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakīrti August 27, 2016 10:46 PM  

You see what you choose to see and hear what you choose to hear.

This is true of all of us.

Your sympathetic view of Empire has nothing to do with the matter. the Empire is crumbling and will not last another 20 years.

To be clear, I mean Empire in the more general sense of an autocratic regime which may incorporate more than one nationality. I share your diagnosis of the current American Empire.

Anonymous Anonymous August 27, 2016 11:17 PM  

4. Its military completely outperformed the US military in Syria this spring and summer. - not a fair comparison because Russian troops do not have the stupid conflicting rules of engagement that US troops have. and Russia isn't supporting ISIL in one country - Syria and bombing them in another -Iraq

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 27, 2016 11:19 PM  

I just don't see a racial basis for alleged cultural deficiencies.

Go to the nearest die verse city and visit the ER in the black part of town. You will see groids willing to get into fights in the waiting room. If IQ has any connection what so ever to genetics those who evolved in areas where people had to build/plan/store to survive winter will be smarter (PC term future orientation) than those where single moms could feed all the kids who survived diseases with low hanging fruit. Cucks screwed it up by sending white mans medicine.

If people can not think of long term consequences they will have no commonweal. When people encounter 60IQ other-than-blacks they have serious deficiencies, but 60IQ blacks are like 10yo kids in adult bodies. The biggest differences in IQ tests from the K to R selected peoples are abstract thought, math, and spatial orientation.

Blogger Billy Ray August 27, 2016 11:27 PM  

Russia did not outclass the US military. they fight under a completely different set of rules of engagement/ putin had ONE mision, obama has the US military trying to do a dozen things half of which contradict the other half.so you are comparing apples and oranges... and remember a year or so ago a third rate turkish fighter shot down a top of the line russian jet. And the fact that the birth rate and life expectancy are going up does not mean that russian can not be in the first stages of being a failed petro state, lots of people in the US are partying like crazy thinking everything is great as the bus heads for a cliff.... like 1987,2000, 2007...

Blogger Billy Ray August 27, 2016 11:33 PM  

Russia/putin have no global ambitions? really? then explain why the KGB rigged the previous Ukrainian election in hopes of creating a puppet state? why is Russia actively involved in Belarus, why are they actively trying to undermine the gov't in the baltic states? why does putin keep talking about the glory of the Soviet Union and has vision of rebuilding it?

oh right usa bad, russia good because russia hates bad USA

Blogger The Other Robot August 27, 2016 11:33 PM  

and remember a year or so ago a third rate turkish fighter shot down a top of the line russian jet.

You are pretty ignorant, aren't you. The SU-24 was a top-line Russian jet in 1974 when it was introduced.

Blogger Billy Ray August 27, 2016 11:41 PM  

if the soviet union was run by evil hook nosed Bolshevik jews..then explain why the soviet union funded all the arabs and terrorist groups like the PLO who wanted to kill jews and eliminate israel? history sounds counter to your argument.

Blogger Billy Ray August 27, 2016 11:49 PM  

you alt-right guys could go a lot further if you would stop the anti-semitism... not all globalists are jews..they are all evil but not all jews. if the jews are so powerful and have been throughout history, why have so many of them been killed and persecuted?

The elites are evil and SATANIC, not jewish. They support the satanic one world gov’t. the devil took Jesus atop the mountain and offered him THE WORLD if Christ would worship him. The devil only can rule on earth and that’s what he wants. The NWO is a return to Babel/Nimrod/Semiramis, a devil worshiping culture. The elite want a return to that anti-God system. They are EVIL , some may be jews, but others are fake Christian, atheists, muslim, etc

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 27, 2016 11:54 PM  

Billy Ray wrote:Russia/putin have no global ambitions? really? then explain why the KGB rigged the previous Ukrainian election in hopes of creating a puppet state? why is Russia actively involved in Belarus, why are they actively trying to undermine the gov't in the baltic states? why does putin keep talking about the glory of the Soviet Union and has vision of rebuilding it?

The kgb rigged the election? Are you crazy or just stupid? Of COURSE they rigged the election. Just like we rigged the election before, and then we engineered a coup afterward. There has never been a non-rigged election in Ukraine. Russia was defending their own interests, and the interest of the ethnic Russians in the East of Ukraine against our meddling, and making sure that neither NATO nor the EU advanced into their sphere of influence.

Because the free people of Ukraine DESERVE to have their gold reserves looted by Soros and they DESERVE to have an (((Estonian))) former state department official as finance minster. It's for their own good.

That it was, in retrospect, the best course for Ukraine was just a bonus. Certainly it was a better situation that what we have delivered for Ukrainians trying to shove the Russians aside.

Because Ukraine is a kleptocracy, and has been since the Golden Horde at least.

Blogger Billy Ray August 27, 2016 11:56 PM  

You are pretty ignorant, aren't you. The SU-24 was a top-line Russian jet in 1974 when it was introduced.

so what- the supposedly big bad Russian still took a third rate Turkish missile up his ass. if your russian buddies are so great why dd he lose the dog fight? and that russian who lost to a third rate turk is some how supposed to be able to take and on the USAF and win? yeah, guess again.

oh and on the ground As an example, Pukhov cited a particular battle in Eastern Ukraine where—even when operating under ideal conditions—a tank force fighting under the banner of Kremlin-backed separatist forces was all but annihilated by rocket-propelled grenades

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 27, 2016 11:59 PM  

Billy Ray wrote:if the soviet union was run by evil hook nosed Bolshevik jews..then explain why the soviet union funded all the arabs and terrorist groups like the PLO who wanted to kill jews and eliminate israel? history sounds counter to your argument.

Sure, as soon as you explain to me why ISIS is supplied by, supported by and sells its oil through Israel. Or why the US has been the number 1 supplier of weapons to Daesh/ISIS for the last 15 years.

Maybe just maybe these inexplicable situations exist because your simplistic good Jews vs evil Arabs/good Neo-cons vs Evil Russia view of the world is false.

Blogger Ken Prescott August 28, 2016 12:01 AM  

"The history of Great Powers has shown that sea powers generally defeat land powers. But I suspect that has completely changed now that the land powers have multiple and inexpensive ways of blowing Naval vessels out of the water, and at long range. Yuri Orlov has talked about this....A $10 billion carrier, with 5000 crew, is now a sitting duck....The pentagon's answer--build more carriers!"

Please explain, in detail, without arm-waving and obfuscation, how an aircraft carrier is a "sitting duck." Seriously. Without the usual arm-waving and "everybody knows" BS.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 12:02 AM  

Billy Ray,
I do declare, you're not just dumber than your namesake. You're even dumber than his daughter Drug-Addled Whore Cyrus.
Bless your heart.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 12:05 AM  

Ken Prescott wrote:Please explain, in detail, without arm-waving and obfuscation, how an aircraft carrier is a "sitting duck." Seriously. Without the usual arm-waving and "everybody knows" BS.
A half-million dollar cruise missile with a 50-kTon warhead will take out an entire carrier group.
A 20-million dollar MIRVed ICBM will do the same, and is literally unstoppable.
It is impossible to defend a carrier against nuclear weapons.

Blogger Billy Ray August 28, 2016 12:05 AM  

The kgb rigged the election? Are you crazy or just stupid? no you are the stupid one for misunderstanding my post and for thinking that the baltics and ukraine would be better off if they fell under russian sphere in a rebuilt soviet union... you say you are for freedom but then say these countries should be ruled by russia if read your post correctly

Blogger ZhukovG August 28, 2016 12:06 AM  

@128 The Turkish plane was a US made F-16 Fighter, the Russian plane was a Soviet era SU-24 Ground Attack plane. The Turkish plane fired an AIM-9X Air to Air missile. Frankly the Russian pilot never had a chance.

What possible logic would cause you to suggest that an out-dated SU-24 was 'top of the line'?

The rest of your post is just is basically; 'despite all evidence to the contrary, Russia might be in trouble'.

Blogger Billy Ray August 28, 2016 12:10 AM  

so most of you alt=right guys appear to be putin butt smoochers, anti=Semitic, racists and US haters... so tell me again how you are different from the left who loved the soviet union, hates the US, hates Israel (jews) and founded the racist KKK?

Blogger Billy Ray August 28, 2016 12:15 AM  

your anti black comments lie low IQ neanderthals etc (I'm white and a proud card carrying member of hillary clinton's vast right wing conspiracy) sound just like the KKK which was founded by the Democrats, so how is your line of thinking different from thosee democratsthat you supposedly oppose? your not alt anything, you just more racist than a jim crowe loving southern democrat

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 12:21 AM  

Billy Ray wrote:The kgb rigged the election? Are you crazy or just stupid? no you are the stupid one for misunderstanding my post and for thinking that the baltics and ukraine would be better off if they fell under russian sphere in a rebuilt soviet union... you say you are for freedom but then say these countries should be ruled by russia if read your post correctly

I'm saying that Ukraine in particular, and the Baltics do not have the option of being independent of one of the great powers. Ukraine is and always has been a corrupt dictatorship. ALWAYS.
The Baltics are in a slightly different situation. They have a history of integrity and independence. Unfortunately, they are in the way. Finland barely has that option, due to it's location out of the path of war, and it's history of murdering Russian and German and Swedish Armies.

The question is which great power will dominate the Baltics, not whether they will be dominated.

Poland has a chance due to its size and it's more historically Western orientation, as do Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania, provided they band together.

And finally, nobody is trying to rebuild the CCCP. That's Neo-con propaganda. If Putin were trying to do that, the Russian tanks would have rolled into Ukraine more than a year ago. Nobody would have tried to stop them. Because nobody, and by nobody I'm including both the Ukrainian government and the Neo-Cons, cares two shits about Ukraine.

Blogger ZhukovG August 28, 2016 12:24 AM  

Billy Ray, if you don't understand the difference between us and the Left. Then you are too dim-witted to even bother with.

Your arguments were discredited and then you resorted to impotent name calling. Just like a Social Justice Warrior.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 12:26 AM  

Billy Ray wrote:so tell me again how you are different from the left who loved the soviet union, hates the US, hates Israel (jews) and founded the racist KKK?
We're different because we will bury your useless cuckservatism.
So tell me how is your anti-racist, pro war, pro Israel Neo-congame is different from Trotskyism, you pathetic gob of virtue-signalling idiocy?

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction August 28, 2016 12:51 AM  

@79

That's not a world domination plan your seeing, that is wealthy Chinese trying to get their monies out of an increasingly political unstable China.

Local Vancouverites have been complaining about wealthy Chinese buying up houses and then letting them dilapidate

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-05/these-vancouver-homes-sold-millions-2011-and-have-been-vacant-and-rotting-heres-why

Blogger Elder Son August 28, 2016 12:51 AM  

Billy Ray

State Dept NATO Ukraine: https://www.google.com/#q=State+Dept+NATO+Ukraine&sitesearch=BlacklistedNews.com

State Dept NATO Ukraine: http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=State+Dept+NATO+Ukraine+&x=14&y=13

Some good resources for you to start at.

Blogger Ken Prescott August 28, 2016 1:14 AM  

@122 Yes. As a result of that, to cover up their perfidy, they wove a meta narrative of American failure. This narrative was there almost from the beginning, and presets some of the greatest military successes of the the American fighting man as a failure. In particular, the Tet offensive, which was the best example of double envelopment and total destruction of your enermy since Barca crushed the Romans at Cannae. Just as the Tet offensive was presented as an American failure (in spite of it being an amazing victory) the outcome of the war was presented as a failure of the American fighting man and military establishment, which in fact it wasn't. The South Vietnamese were betrayed by the Democrats in Congress who failed to abide by the treaty obligations. They failed the South Vietnames, and they besmirched out fighting men."

As a tactical victory, Tet was irrelevant to the actual fight.

We lost the war long before Tet. Not because of any defect at the tactical level, but because the political leadership in Washington failed to spell out to the military what victory would look like--i.e., there was no strategic framework for the conduct of the war. The military didn't have guidance on what victory looked like, so the senior leaders had no idea of what operational-level tasks needed to be accomplished; without an operational-level tasking matrix, US troops performed competently enough by the standards of previous wars, but tactical competence didn't lead to operationally useful results that would support the strategic goals of the war.

The lack of strategic vision was a product of Washington not understanding the cultures of the region and how those cultures influenced the setting of goals in Hanoi and Saigon, as well as not understanding the goals.

Our command structure in Vietnam resembled SHAEF/SACEUR. Our doctrine reflected U.S. Army doctrine; we were force-oriented, seeking to destroy the enemy army, and the enemy's territory then falls into the U.S. Army's grasp.

It doesn't work against an insurgency. Insurgencies don't care about territory or force orientation until the endgame, and then it's too late. What they attack is the citizen's relationship to the government. And that's abstract and hard to figure out, especially if you're from a different tribal identity--or a foreigner from 8,000 miles away.

So, we sought tactical victory--i.e., what we did understand. But tactical victories weren't particularly relevant. When a NLF or NVA unit was beaten in battle, they simply pulled back, regrouped, and went back to doing what they'd been doing before the battle--attacking the people's relationship to the government--just at a lower OPTEMPO. That's why tactical victories--even big ones, like Tet--were worthless. We never were able to fully impose our will on the NLF or the NVA in the same way we could impose our will on the Heer at Arracourt or the IRGC at 73 Easting. We couldn't force them to abandon a region; instead, we ended up having to go back some time later and do it all over again.

By the end game, even if we'd kept our pledges of material support, all that would've happened is that the NVA would've captured it on the docks...because outside of ARVN regulars, nobody in South Vietnam wouldn't break it out and use it against the NVA.

Blogger Ken Prescott August 28, 2016 1:19 AM  

@138

"A half-million dollar cruise missile with a 50-kTon warhead will take out an entire carrier group."
A 20-million dollar MIRVed ICBM will do the same, and is literally unstoppable.
It is impossible to defend a carrier against nuclear weapons."

You skipped some very important steps. I'll give you a hint: the Earth is a sphere. It kind of gets in the way.

Also, you made a very, very stupid assumption. Hint: the letter "B" in ICBM means something.

You get an F- in Military Science.

Now, try again.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 1:28 AM  

@Ken, yes, the B stands for Ballistic. That means it's not under rocket power on re-entry. That's why it's unstoppable.

And a cruise missile can fly supersonically below the horizon (and below radar height) until it is within the fireball radius of the nuclear warhead. Or perhaps you prefer a hyper-cavitating torpedo, which the Russians have had since the late 60s. They travel super-sonically underwater.

A carrier-based force dare not launch an attack against a foe armed with effective tactical nukes.

Right now that's Russia. Soon enough it will be China as well.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 1:29 AM  

Oh, and it's funny, a fella that doesn't understand even basic tactics pretending to give out grades in military science.

Blogger Johnny August 28, 2016 1:36 AM  

Ken Prescott wrote:

Please explain, in detail, without arm-waving and obfuscation, how an aircraft carrier is a "sitting duck." Seriously. Without the usual arm-waving and "everybody knows" BS.


Ships sit in an incompressible medium. As a result an underwater explosion anywhere near a ship will push in that compressible hull. Combine that with a nuke in the water that is anywhere near one of those carrier groups and the entire fleet will go down.

The same thing was true of the old battleship fleets. Once torpedos got developed they went into battle only very rarely because they were a valuable asset too easily lost.

Blogger Johnny August 28, 2016 1:37 AM  

Ken Prescott wrote:

Please explain, in detail, without arm-waving and obfuscation, how an aircraft carrier is a "sitting duck." Seriously. Without the usual arm-waving and "everybody knows" BS.


Ships sit in an incompressible medium. As a result an underwater explosion anywhere near a ship will push in that compressible hull. Combine that with a nuke in the water that is anywhere near one of those carrier groups and the entire fleet will go down.

The same thing was true of the old battleship fleets. Once torpedos got developed they went into battle only very rarely because they were a valuable asset too easily lost.

Blogger Elder Son August 28, 2016 1:38 AM  

@150 China is already there. Has been for some time. Can't remember off top of my head, but they have cruise missiles and ballistic missiles specifically just for carrier / groups

Anonymous SciVo August 28, 2016 1:40 AM  

Billy Ray wrote:your anti black comments lie low IQ neanderthals etc (I'm white and a proud card carrying member of hillary clinton's vast right wing conspiracy) sound just like the KKK which was founded by the Democrats, so how is your line of thinking different from thosee democratsthat you supposedly oppose? your not alt anything, you just more racist than a jim crowe loving southern democrat

Socialists always want to enslave someone. If it isn't blacks, then it's whites. Or both!

Jim Crow told private property owners how to run their businesses, and now so does the Jill Crow of tranny tyranny. This coming on top of the institutionalized miscrackery of affirmative action.

The simplest explanation of why blacks do worse on average is because of lower IQs; the only legal, explicit, systematic oppression is of YT. And we want you to be free. We want everyone to be free.

Socialists are despots, so if they aren't segregating lunch counters, then they're forcing you to pay for Muhammad to play Madden all day. They can't help it. It's their nature.

Sure, I get that it's scary to know that you might fail, and no one else will be responsible. But it's also empowering. You can succeed!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 1:41 AM  

Johnny wrote:The same thing was true of the old battleship fleets. Once torpedos got developed they went into battle only very rarely because they were a valuable asset too easily lost.

That's why the destroyer was developed, in fact. It was intended to take on the fast light torpedo boats, and destroy them. A destroyer's armament is entirely focused on attacking ships. It's armor is lighter than conventional ships of the late 19th century, and it has as much speed and maneuverability as the engineers can give it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 1:42 AM  

Elder Son wrote:China is already there. Has been for some time.
I've worked with Chinese engineers. I'll take their word about whether it works, AFTER it's tested in production.

Blogger Elder Son August 28, 2016 1:47 AM  

DF-21D / YJ-12

Blogger Elder Son August 28, 2016 1:49 AM  

@157

RE: 158

They have.

Blogger Elder Son August 28, 2016 1:52 AM  

Oh, and you mean Chinks, right?

Smart people here, but sometimes I do get good laughs, and an occasional sigh.

Anonymous JAG August 28, 2016 4:05 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Billy Ray wrote:so tell me again how you are different from the left who loved the soviet union, hates the US, hates Israel (jews) and founded the racist KKK?

We're different because we will bury your useless cuckservatism.

So tell me how is your anti-racist, pro war, pro Israel Neo-congame is different from Trotskyism, you pathetic gob of virtue-signalling idiocy?


We've already buried cuckservatism. Hillary just confirmed that.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 28, 2016 4:31 AM  

So what does Russia want? It is simple: Russia simply wants to be a sovereign and free country. That’s it.

Oh, that's funny. Especially coming from someone who thinks race is destiny. Russia has always sought empire. Why does it appear to have changed now? Could it be for the same reason that the China-apologist leftists keep trying to prog-splain what "China really wants" to the China skeptics?

To be fair, China is demonstrably more threatening in the immediate future than is Russia. Doesn't change Russian goals, however.

Meanwhile, for some countries, Russian imperialist kleptocratic autocracy might be an improvement over the local self-hating kleptocratic oligarchy.

What a world...

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan August 28, 2016 5:12 AM  

Good Lord. You folks need to update your knowledge on fighter/attack jets. USA, Russian, and Chinese.

Anonymous Clay August 28, 2016 5:20 AM  

Excuse me...missles too.

Remember...the only thing ANY military will publicly tell you about their capabilities, is already obsolete.

At least, in their minds.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 28, 2016 7:06 AM  

Billy Ray wrote:if read your post correctly (sic)

= "What you seem to be saying is..."

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 11:18 AM  

How can aircraft carriers not be obsolete when manned aircraft are about 5 minutes away from that fate themselves?

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 1:47 PM  

Why does it appear to have changed now?

Because in living memory, Russians lived impoverished lives in order to impose empire. Americans are still in the process of learning this.

The price of empire is too high.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 1:51 PM  

so tell me again how you are different from the left who loved the soviet union, hates the US, hates Israel (jews) and founded the racist KKK?

We despised the Soviet Union, we love America and Americans, we like Israelis and Jews in Israel, and we're not Democrats.

And we're not Leftists.

Blogger Ken Prescott August 28, 2016 10:45 PM  

@151

"Yes, the B stands for Ballistic. That means it's not under rocket power on re-entry. That's why it's unstoppable."

And to think that I assessed your argument @138 as being poorly thought out. It's a f***ing doctoral dissertation by comparison to that bit of stupidity.

Ballistic missiles are far from "unstoppable." We've gotten to the point where US Navy ships stop them fairly routinely. And you ignore the core problem of naval warfare. Again.

"And a cruise missile can fly supersonically below the horizon (and below radar height) until it is within the fireball radius of the nuclear warhead. Or perhaps you prefer a hyper-cavitating torpedo, which the Russians have had since the late 60s. They travel super-sonically underwater."

In reverse order: The Russians do not have a projectile capable of traveling at over a mile per second (yes, 3,600 MPH) underwater. They have had a straight-running supercavitating torpedo. It's a straight-runner with a maximum range of 7,500 yards, intended to provide a last-ditch counterfire weapon against an American submarine that's caught the Russian boat by surprise (which is what they fully expected to happen in the 1960s). (There are claims of a guided variant being able to reach out to 15,000 yards, but the interface between the supercavitating bubble and the water is going to blind just about any sensor usable underwater.)

It is by no means a wish-em-dead weapon, nor is it at all relevant in today's tactical environment, as American and Soviet boats have achieved acoustic parity; every Shkval in the torpedo room takes up space that could be used by a more capable weapon, and the fuel poses a significant deflagration threat when subjected to shock (TL; DR version: the damn thing will explode in the torpedo room if anything jolts the boat too hard.)

(Pro tip: if you're going to throw technobabble around, please do so more in a more coherent fashion than Wesley Crusher. Otherwise, I will start including "SHUT UP WESLEY" in my responses.)

As for the first point: that all depends on where exactly the radar horizon is, doesn't it? You've still managed to completely miss the core of the attacker's problem. Again.

"A carrier-based force dare not launch an attack against a foe armed with effective tactical nukes."

I've actually gamed this out in several fairly realistic gaming environments; the key question is the definition of "effective." Your definition ignores so many key elements of naval warfare that I must conclude that your military expertise comes from playing Call of Duty with all of the significant cheat codes activated...

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 29, 2016 12:49 AM  

Why does it appear to have changed now?

Because in living memory, Russians lived impoverished lives in order to impose empire. Americans are still in the process of learning this.


The Russians? Yes. But the nomenklatura have always lived wealthy lives, and if a million or so peasants suffer, why would they care?

Your blithe faith in the ability of generations of serfs, living in the shadow of the secret police, spirits warped for over half a century, to nonetheless shape the opinions of the oligarchs, seems unlike you. Or that those same autocrats, bred to wield the whip, and rule, can change their racial culture in the span of two generations?

Wishful thinking

The price of empire is too high.

Agreed. But they always imagine they can force someone elsse to pay it.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 29, 2016 12:50 AM  

Why does it appear to have changed now?

Because in living memory, Russians lived impoverished lives in order to impose empire. Americans are still in the process of learning this.


The Russians? Yes. But the nomenklatura have always lived wealthy lives, and if a million or so peasants suffer, why would they care?

Your blithe faith in the ability of generations of serfs, living in the shadow of the secret police, spirits warped for over half a century, to nonetheless shape the opinions of the oligarchs, seems unlike you. Or that those same autocrats, bred to wield the whip, and rule, can change their racial culture in the span of two generations?

Wishful thinking

The price of empire is too high.

Agreed. But they always imagine they can force someone elsse to pay it.

Blogger Assyrian Nationalist August 29, 2016 4:10 AM  

I always smile when I see pictures like this from Russia.

Anonymous Rezny August 29, 2016 5:03 AM  

@173
It's not that strange, really. Historically pre-Imperial Russian war banner was literally Jesus Christ's face on a dark-red flag.
As far as I know, Russian monks were only Orthodox monks willing to spill blood. Kulikovo battle with Mongols started with Alexander Peresvet dueling Turkic champion, and Peresvet was a monk.
It's a local thing.
Pretty much alike to Western "Deus Vult" meme, except it's a historical practice.


And to numerous posters about "Empire is bad" - no, empire is great. I'd much prefer to be somewhat poor but alive and secure, than have Poles, Germans, Swedes, Circassians or Dzungars invade my backyard every 5 years or so. Notice that Russian Empire borders all ended in natural barrier like mountains and/or impassable deserts.
Except for the new Far East (hence constant attempts to grab Manchuria and fights with Japan to secure it once and for all) and the Great European Plain west of Belarus, the one's we're actually threatend for more than 100 years already, having two literally genocidal invasions from there.
Alaska was sold off to America precisely because it was more of a liability to our defence than a boon to economy.

So, until two holes in the West will be sealed shut by some new DDR and Russia's Bulgaria, there can't be and will not be peace in the West regardless of what paths locals pursue. It's a matter of survival, Communism and Nazi Russocide both came from the West, it must be shut down for Russia to finally live secure and actually develop what had been conquered.
Romania outside of NATO will suffice, modern Baltics are not a problem as long as they don't provoke local Russians, but Poland is... an eternal question.

Poles like to cry rivers, but they first attacked Russia back in 981, and captured Kiev twice in invasions of early XI century. That's three invasions by them in less than 100 years of neighbourhood.

First time Russian soldier actually set foot on Poland proper was early XVIII century, so Poles managed to wage war on Russia at least 10 times in ~750 years before it, not counting their interventions into Western-Eastern Russias conflicts.
If Poles weren't insufferable pricks to literally every neighbour except Hungary, there wouldn't be any Partitions and Polish questions. Harbouring legions of Jews didn't made them popular with neighbours either.

So even if Trump would become emperor Donald I of All Americas and give a heartwarming kiss to Putin while booting everyone east of Germany from NATO, it wouldn't bring peace to the region as long as Poland presents a problem to all Russias.
Russian Empire is a tool of security from constant invasions from Polish-Germanic, Mongoloid and Caucasusan-Turkish directions, not some Anglo dream of pirating half the world for profits only to spend them on paying off the pirates. A question of survival accepts no compromises, much less accounting.

Finlands actually gets it right - don't enter any anti-Russian coalitions and just let live.
Winter War was more a Jewish leftover of the World Revolution(Enslavement) dream, it is rather sad we have had such a stain on our coexistence.

Anonymous Bukulu August 29, 2016 5:09 PM  

Billy Ray @ 130,

Have you ever looked at a map? It turns out the Ukraine and Belarus are right next door to Russia.


Johnny @ 153,

I started to write, "It was obvious as early as Midway..." but heck that's not right. It was obvious as early as Pearl Harbor that domination of the air was a necessary condition for the survival of capital ships.

Anonymous John M September 11, 2016 9:47 AM  

Are you polling at 1 or 2% with them? I think you overstate the groundswell.

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