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Saturday, August 20, 2016

Dave Truesdale culturally enriches Worldcon

The SJWs in science fiction are upset again, this time because Dave Truesdale, the editor of Tangent Online, pointed out the long term consequences of their actions in a panel at MidAmericaCon II. From File 770:
At 3:00 PM at today’s panel on The State of Short Fiction, Dave Truesdale (of Tangent Online) shocked panelists and crowd alike by abusing his position as moderator to give what sounded like an alt-Right rant against political correctness. He declared that political correctness had destroyed short SFF by making it bland and destroying the careers of people. He waved around a fistful of pearl necklaces and told people to “clutch your pearls” and shut up whenever they felt the urge to point out some injustice.

He had started reading from a multi-page prepared speech (which he attributed to the late David Hartwell) when Sheila Williams shouted at him to stop. (It helped a lot that he seemed to be clueless as to how to operate a microphone whereas she was clearly a master, so she easily shouted him down.) He seemed very surprised that almost the entire crowd (minus one person who might have been a relative) was angry with him. From his behavior, I think he expected to have at least a large cohort agreeing with him.

Eric got a photo of Truesdale reading while Neil Clarke turned his back and other panelists grimaced.

The panelists denied that SFF had declined in quality or that political correctness particularly influenced them as editors. They did note that overt bigotry was no longer acceptable, but Truesdale indicated that he was okay with that change.

At a subsequent panel, we heard that MidAmeriCon II apologized to the panelists, saying no one had any idea this would happen. According to one source, he’d been about to launch into a section titled “definition of a bigot” before he was derailed. Most people seemed to agree that they’d never seen a panel moderator abuse his position to hijack the panel as a platform for his or her own personal agenda.
Seemed. Exactly. Remember, SJWs always - ALWAYS - lie. Translation: they'd before never seen a moderator fail to support the SJW agenda.

I very much doubt Truesdale was surprised in the slightest by the crowd's reaction. These morons have absolutely no idea what to do other than virtue-signal and blindly defend the current Narrative. This picture of Neil Clarke prissily turning his back in order to maximally signal his virtue in order to avoid besoiling himself with badthink association is hilarious.

Considering that Truesdale was directly addressing the subject matter, the state of short fiction, it's obvious that the reason they are angry is not that he "hijacked the panel", but because he told them the unpleasant truth as they know it to be.

Here is how one SJW subsequently characterized it.

Sunil Patel ‏@ghostwritingcow
This panel is fucking UNREAL. It's DT being a whiny pissy manbaby and everyone else yelling at him.

Well done, Dave. Mission accomplished.

And speaking of Worldcon, Tor's campaign for E Pluribus Hugo continues apace, as the EPH Analysis for the years 2014 and 2015 has been released(pdf). Of course, they didn't dare publish their analysis for any other years, for as they have tacitly admitted, doing so would prove that there are whisper slates that have been having an effect on the Hugo Awards for years.

Here is the first amusing thing about it. In the "slate" year of 2015, 10 long list spots and 14 ballot spots changed under EPH. In the "non-slate" year of 2014 - never mind that Sad Puppies was in action then - 17 long list spots and 5 ballot spots changed. And they wonder why I support EPH!

The second amusing thing is the fact that the authors got it wrong. Contra their insistence that only the long list would have been affected, had EPH been in effect in 2015, Alyssa Wong would have made been a Campbell finalist in the place of Rolf Nelson.

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81 Comments:

Blogger joe b August 20, 2016 6:39 AM  

I hope he posts his speech or otherwise has video. Sounds amusing.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 20, 2016 6:58 AM  

This picture of Neil Clarke prissily turning his back in order to maximally signal his virtue in order to avoid besoiling himself with badthink association is hilarious.

No see, it's brilliant, because if you don't look at him HE DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.

Anonymous DJF August 20, 2016 7:19 AM  

Another example of liberals being illiberal to ideas other then their own, which shows they are not liberal but leftists

Anonymous DJF August 20, 2016 7:20 AM  

""""No see, it's brilliant, because if you don't look at him HE DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE."""

I am surprised he did not close his eyes, put his fingers in his ears and hold his breath until the bad man went away.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 20, 2016 7:27 AM  

So, they clutched their pearls. If only Truesdale could have predicted that...

If he was so easily shouted down, why was Nancy Boy turning his back?

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 20, 2016 7:35 AM  

40 years ago, an unknown Mark Hamil visited Worldcon to persuade the skinny attendees to influence theater owners and 20th Century Fox to go to the expense of releasing an earnest little SF pic called Star Wars.

Today, it's Jabba's Palace, without the dancing girls.

Blogger LurkingPuppy August 20, 2016 7:46 AM  

Cute. EPH also would have changed the last name of the author of The Goblin Emperor, and the first name of Ms. Mixon (in Best Fan Writer). I thought Jamison Quinn was supposed to be a computery person.

Anonymous Steve August 20, 2016 7:56 AM  

What a bunch of faggots (no offence BGS).

I remember when educated liberals used to pretend to believe in free speech and robust debate, and I'm not even that old.

BTW, the shrieking harpy Sheila Williams? Looks like you'd expect her to look.

Also interesting is that while she has no tolerance for politically incorrect badthinkers, she's just fine with cuddling up to NAMBLA members.

Anonymous Faceless August 20, 2016 7:57 AM  

He told them the truth. Short science fiction is dead. Once everything is the same gimmick - gender bending, race swapping, with the characters gay this time - it's not art, it's not edgy, it has nothing new to say, so it's not worth reading.

Anonymous Faceless August 20, 2016 8:02 AM  

Their plan really is:

1. Replace all the wrong-think with right-think.
2. Replace all the wrong-fans with right-fans, readily produced by worthless degree programs.
3. Have the Ford Foundation bail them out because they cannot actually sell things to an audience.

Blogger The Other Robot August 20, 2016 8:05 AM  

Should I even bother to read anything by Allysa Wong? I tried reading Binti and that was a mistake.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 20, 2016 8:08 AM  

He would have gotten more effective resistance had he changed the pudding flavor in the Alzheimer's ward.

Blogger The Other Robot August 20, 2016 8:31 AM  

Perhaps they are like the Main Stream Media and are upset at the attention they are now getting.

Wait until the nooses come out.

Blogger Dave August 20, 2016 8:33 AM  

Also from the thread at your link; Scalzi is upstaged by an ASL signer:

I went to John Scalzi’s reading today. Given that he filled an entire auditorium last year at Sasquan, the fact that they scheduled him in a very small programming room seemed incredibly thoughtless and shortsighted. There were people packing the aisles by sitting on the floor, and many people standing outside the door trying to hear.

Someone who had their own ASL person showed up to the reading (of a story with a lot of tongue-twisting, nonsensical alien words in it) — and as funny as Scalzi was (and he was pretty funny), the ASL signer was absolutely hysterical. I quit watching Scalzi and ended up spending the entire time watching the signer, whose performance was an absolute ROFL-fest.

Blogger Jack Ward August 20, 2016 8:37 AM  

And, over in the vigorous new growth area, Castalia House and authors therein, keep hiking to the bank with smiles on their faces.

Anonymous Bz August 20, 2016 8:56 AM  

Sunil Patel, go to hell! Seriously, good for Dave. I might not have been able to keep a straight face had I been there, with the offended clucking and posturing. Too bad about the short fiction business and its diminishing number of readers, of course, but sacrifices have to be made, bigots.

And speaking of which, what's the matter with Switzerland? First the Gotthard tunnel opening rituals, completely innocuous I'm sure, now there are "occult pranks" at CERN.

The video, which circulated online, shows several individuals in black cloaks gathering in a main square at Europe’s top physics lab, in what appears to be a re-enactment of an occult ceremony.

The video includes the staged “stabbing” of a woman. It is filmed from the perspective of a secret viewer watching from a window above who, as the ceremony reaches its climax, lets out a string of expletives and flees with the camera still running.

The ceremony appears to have been staged in front of a statue of the Hindu deity Shiva that is on permanent display at the complex, home of the Large Hadron Collider.

“These scenes were filmed on our premises but without official permission or knowledge,” a Cern spokeswoman told Agence France-Presse in an email.

“Cern does not condone this type of spoof, which can give rise to misunderstandings about the scientific nature of our work.”
...
She further indicated that those responsible for the prank had access badges.

“Cern welcomes every year thousands of scientific users from all over the world and sometimes some of them let their humour go too far. This is what happened on this occasion,” the email said.


https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/18/fake-human-sacrifice-filmed-at-cern-with-pranking-scientists-suspected

Well, that's today's report from the weird world of nihilist egg heads!

Blogger SteelPalm August 20, 2016 9:33 AM  

This event calls to mind a key lesson from "SJWs Always Lie":

Record everything.

I hope someone did that for Mr.Truesdale's speech, so we can see the reality versus the SJW fiction above.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 20, 2016 10:03 AM  

I believe the SJW'S are in the process of race and gender swapping history. Just look at Hamilton and Meryl Streep's call to gender swap the production. Stalinism at it's finest.

Anonymous Nathan August 20, 2016 10:17 AM  

From the report:

"EPH does have a measurable effect on the resulting ballots and long lists if it is implemented. The issue is that it is both less and more active than was suggested when the system was proposed"

"Where nominator coordination is present, it does generally result in the swapping of one position on the ballot with an item that was not on the ballot. It does not, however, eliminate a number of entries to bring the coordinated nomination block down to a representative size. This allows a small minority to continue to control almost the entire ballot."

So this isn't the fix they were hoping for.

Anonymous andon August 20, 2016 10:24 AM  

18. Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 20, 2016 10:03 AM
I believe the SJW'S are in the process of race and gender swapping history. Just look at Hamilton and (((Meryl Streep's))) call to gender swap the production. Stalinism at it's finest.


I think they're trying to say history doesn't matter

Anonymous FP August 20, 2016 10:26 AM  

@13

Thanks for that link. I needed a laugh. The media is askeered.

The gentleman from Florida who flipped off the media pen last week or so has started a trend. None of these government reporter stooges seem to have learned about Julius Stricher in WW2.

Blogger The Kurgan August 20, 2016 10:33 AM  

Burn them with fire

Anonymous SaltHarvest August 20, 2016 10:35 AM  

He made a similar set of statements two years ago, so I'm surprised the more advanced cases of SJW didn't find a multitude of excuses to bar him from speaking duties. Maybe they thought the indoctrination would stick this time...

Anonymous andon August 20, 2016 10:53 AM  

17. Blogger SteelPalm August 20, 2016 9:33 AM
This event calls to mind a key lesson from "SJWs Always Lie":

Record everything.


this should be standard for anyone doing any interview with the media these days.

"sure im happy to do an interview but be aware i'll be recording as well and if you distort or misrepresent what I say etc i'll post the real audio on the internet"

Blogger J Van Stry August 20, 2016 11:00 AM  

I went over to 770 (for like I think the first time ever) and looked at some of the comments. They're virtue signaling so hard over there, each trying to outdo the other.

I don't know if it's funny, or sad.

And they're also so quick to define DT as 'other'. He's now officially a puppy, whether he likes it or not. I wonder, are they going to burn him at the stake? Dunk him until he drowns? Pile rocks on top of him until he suffocates? It's the Salem witch trials all over again. Destroy anyone who might dare to speak a truth or not run with the herd, less others suddenly develop an open mind.

The Commissars would be proud!

Anonymous JI August 20, 2016 11:02 AM  

" This picture of Neil Clarke prissily..."
The man matches the chin.

Anonymous andon August 20, 2016 11:03 AM  

@ #13 - from your link, a leftist in the media hears this:

“So I got into tonight’s Trump rally. Was just next to a couple of guys by the press pit talking about beating the shit out of reporters.”

haha

Anonymous BGKB August 20, 2016 11:05 AM  

He waved around a fistful of pearl necklaces and told people to “clutch your pearls” and shut up

I could have set up a booth to sell BGS's lightly clutched pearls & bariatric fainting couches.

He seemed very surprised that almost the entire crowd (minus one person who might have been a relative) was angry with him

He must have been a relative because he was the only other adult present weighing under 18 stone.

This picture of Neil Clarke prissily turning his back in order to maximally signal his virtue in order to avoid besoiling himself

He was sitting like that because he hired 8 home depot Mexicans the night before, & was sore.

What a bunch of faggots (no offence BGS). We know Not All Faggots Are Like That, just the majority.

Wait until the nooses come out. Maybe we can make them out of TRUMP ties.

I believe the SJW'S are in the process of race and gender swapping history. Just look at Hamilton and (((Meryl Streep's)))

Bath House Barry declared all federal buildings have to have anything goes bathrooms. I might just go down to the IRS buildings women's room, after hitting the Korean BBQ
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2016/08/obama-opens-all-federal-building-showers-bathrooms-to-trangendered-2834517.html

Anonymous Godfrey August 20, 2016 11:06 AM  

God this is fun. Pushing these people's buttons is pure unadulterated joy.

Resistance is victory!

Blogger Sun Xhu August 20, 2016 11:09 AM  

The shoggoths continue to shamble towards their doom, refusing to be swayed from their path, even by those of their own, who warn of the danger.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright August 20, 2016 11:16 AM  

World Con is really one of the most SJW of all cons. He might have been used to more reasonable cons and actually have been surprised by their response.

And, of course, he is spot on!

Anonymous BGKB August 20, 2016 11:16 AM  

God this is fun. Pushing these people's buttons is pure unadulterated joy.

After reading 13s link I wish I would have gone up to the cage and shouted "I hope the home depot Mexicans you hire for sex beat you up", maybe there will be another rally before Nov I can attend.

Anonymous Godfrey August 20, 2016 11:18 AM  

An act of intellectual guerilla warfare right in the midst of their meeting!

AWESOME!

We should all be inspired.

Blogger J Van Stry August 20, 2016 11:19 AM  

I have just heard that he was ejected from worldcon for his remarks.
Anyone know if this is true?

Anonymous Godfrey August 20, 2016 11:23 AM  

Defy the SJW inquisition!

Heresy is the act of rejecting "The Narrative". LONG LIVE HERESY!

F&^# "The NARRATIVE"!

Blogger Bob Roddis August 20, 2016 11:24 AM  

Not only do SWJ's (and Keynesians) always lie, they NEVER engage alt-right or libertarian arguments or analysis. EVER. They are telegraphing that they know that they dare not (and cannot) debate us. They know.

OpenID tmdfos August 20, 2016 11:29 AM  

I guess I'm probably the "minus one relative". Let me set the record straight I'm not a relative. In fact I wouldn't have even gone to the panel if a certain cute sad puppy hadn't found my group because of some wonderful (VFM?) leaving some "Wrongfan" badge flare where they could be found. And mentioning she'd be going to it later and I had wanted to ask her some questions on another point she'd raised as we were chatting before another panel where we met and she asked where she could find the "Wrongfan" flair herself.
Mr. Truesdale even prefaced his comments with a warning that they might be taken the wrong way by some and immediately about 3 or 4 people got up and left and that woman started making faces and rolling her eyes. As an aside here the mic was bad, I don't think it's correct to say he didn't know how to use it when the crowd even called out for him to get closer/louder and when he did the mic over drove and crackled, it wasn't a good mic. And very soon after he started Mr. Clarke just disgustedly turned his chair and sat with his back to the whole panel, he was on one end as you can see in the picture. I was the one who yelled at Mr. Clarke when he started his comments in reply that it was all about tolerance and nearly the whole room, with a few exceptions broke into very loud applause at which point I began yelling, to be heard over that clapping, that that wasn't tolerance by turning he back. He only defense was that it was a protest and that at least he'd stayed and not walked out.
What a whiney pearl clasper!
At that point they asked me to hole my comments until the end. I didn't even bother at the end to try to make any point about tolerance. Especially when the final comment was from a, and I quote, "card caring SJW" about how all these changes to fiction are great and the diversity is just normal and good to him and he doesn't want to go backward in any way. Which had the panel smiling and nodding their heads.

Anonymous Godfrey August 20, 2016 11:30 AM  

@34
Was he purged?... was there a purging?

Was he excommunicated for questioning "The Narrative"? Was there a show trial? Was he even present as the Commissars discussed his "case" and passed judgement?

Please, oh please let it be true.

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2016 11:33 AM  

More weight!

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 11:44 AM  

37. tmdfos August 20, 2016 11:29 AM
Let me set the record straight I'm not a relative.



of course you're not. SJWs always lie.

look, one of the key aspects of the warren dweller psychology is that they not only go tharn if they think that they are not conforming to the group think, they PROJECT this tharning-response-because-excluded expectation onto everyone around them.

therefore,
IF there is a large group all yelling full throat about something or other
BUT there are two or three separated individuals who are conspicuously not participating
THEN the assumption will be made by the mob that YOU are associated with each other in some way.

it is literally outside their ability to comprehend that you might be neutral / orthogonal ( are you International Socialist [yay] or National Socialist [boo]? neither, i'm a Nationalist Libertarian Constitutionalist. hu-wa? ) or considering the issue from outside the Who-Whom dialectic.

Blogger Escoffier August 20, 2016 11:52 AM  

"a whiny pissy manbaby"

Have we made sure there weren't any virtue signaling related injuries?

Blogger Were-Puppy August 20, 2016 11:55 AM  

@2 Aeoli Pera
No see, it's brilliant, because if you don't look at him HE DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.
---

It's the SJW Schrodingers Gambit

OpenID tmdfos August 20, 2016 11:56 AM  

Oh yes, I understand that. Especially after reading the comment on 770 in full. I hadn't before posting. You can't be an ally in even the smallest detail, a la Mr. Truesdale without coming into the sphere of their pitchforks and torches.
Just a couple of points. He only quoted from Hartwell and that woman didn't really shout she just tried to break in on his remarks after fidgeting with her hands and rolling her eyes, things she continued to do throughout.
Didn't see the shirt thing, not sure it even happened. Too much else to pay attention to and strain to hear and still keep my eyes on a swivel in case some SJW got triggered some more and tried to sucker punch me. An event that my friend was actually surprised didn't happen and no one even accosted me after to complain. Although I think the poor SJW gal in front of me got her ears blown out since I yelled so loud, she left later on.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 20, 2016 12:07 PM  

a comment on the File 770 page-
JJ on August 19, 2016 at 6:51 pm said:
Cassy B.: what, seriously? What are they complaining about?

At least one of the most vocal and most clueless Puppies/GamerGaters is cheering relentlessly for Chuck Tingle to win the Hugo — apparently totally unaware that Zoe Quinn will be making the acceptance speech in a rainbow unicorn dress if that happens. There are several other equally clueless Puppies also hoping for a Tingle win.

Yes, JJ, there is at least one, possibly two of us. Or maybe even three. And all 1+ of we the clueless sure hope the Zoe Quinn bit isn't just a vicious rumor.

Anonymous fred August 20, 2016 12:07 PM  

"look, one of the key aspects of the warren dweller psychology"

Psychology is much, much more complicated than you think. Fail.

"therefore,"

Always beware of using this word outside of mathematics. Fail.

"it is literally outside their ability to comprehend that you might be neutral / orthogonal ( are you International Socialist [yay] or National Socialist [boo]? neither, i'm a Nationalist Libertarian Constitutionalist. hu-wa? ) or considering the issue from outside the Who-Whom dialectic."

Fair enough. I'm a Confucianist. I don't expect anyone in the American political discourse to understand what I'm saying, and so I have no power to influence anything. But I particularly appreciate your point about being outside the Who/Whom dialectic. It's realism to your credit, in the world we are unlucky enough to inhabit, but it shouldn't have to be that way, if we just feckin opened our eyes.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 20, 2016 12:21 PM  

I pray there was a camera there recording potential TrigglyPuffs losing 6000 calories each yelling at the guy on stage.

Blogger pyrrhus August 20, 2016 12:36 PM  

Hilarious....self identifying themselves as the group that will be eaten first by the Orcs...

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 12:39 PM  

45. fred August 20, 2016 12:07 PM
Psychology is much, much more complicated than you think. Fail.




were you aware that Freud never even pretended to do any double blind studies? or that most of his reported case studies are either grossly exaggerated or wholly fictional? iow, Freud is known to be a 'scientific' charlatan on the same order as Michael Mann or Franz Mesmer.

so, i don't know what school of psychology you're going to try to use as a heuristic to explain the group dynamics there ( Mackay would be good ) but it hasn't escaped my attention that you failed to present a hypothesis for us to examine in contrast to mine.

you simply made a bald assertion of your own superiority.




45. fred August 20, 2016 12:07 PM
Always beware of using this word outside of mathematics. Fail.


because, of course, logic has no place outside the world of mathematics.

which would be quite a shock to the classical philosophers but, you know, fred is WAY more advanced than they could have ever dreamed. post modernists ain't need no shit like logic or rationality or sheeeeeet, nigga.




45. fred August 20, 2016 12:07 PM
Fair enough. I'm a Confucianist. I don't expect anyone in the American political discourse to understand what I'm saying



here, let me use language suitable for comprehension by those of your intellectual level ( skip downshifts from 5th to 2nd ):
whenever you get done twatting on about how inferior the denizens of this blog are and humble-bragging about how awesome and subtle your mind is you MIGHT, you know, consider presenting an actual argument for inspection and critique.


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/twat?s=t <<< def 3




44. Spartacus xxxxx August 20, 2016 12:07 PM
Yes, JJ, there is at least one, possibly two of us. Or maybe even three. And all 1+ of we the clueless sure hope the Zoe Quinn bit isn't just a vicious rumor.



hush, you. the only permitted response from the Puppies to Chuck Tingle is a conniption fit.

because we don't know how to have RightFun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4fERulwNrc

Blogger pyrrhus August 20, 2016 12:42 PM  

@24 Recording everything has another use. You can file a lawsuit for libel or slander rather easily, or at least send a demand letter that will scare hell out of them after the Gawker verdict.

Blogger Desillusionerad August 20, 2016 12:43 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@2 Aeoli Pera

No see, it's brilliant, because if you don't look at him HE DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.

---

It's the SJW Schrodingers Gambit


Object permanence - most learn its a thing by age 2.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 20, 2016 1:08 PM  

A room full of obese white folks is full of diversity.

Anonymous What's that smell? August 20, 2016 1:10 PM  

Looks more like Neal Clarke is breaking wind, with a predictable result displayed on the face of the woman next to him.

Anonymous A. Drift August 20, 2016 1:39 PM  

My favorite Neil Clarke anecdote is that time he was insane with grief over the stillbirth of his child, and Nick Mamatas used that to emotionally manipulate him into publishing a horrendous message-fic webzine.

Blogger Keith Glass August 20, 2016 1:43 PM  

He has audio of the whole thing. He'll be posting it on his site soon. . .

Blogger Matthew August 20, 2016 2:11 PM  

fred wrote:Fair enough. I'm a Confucianist.

whatever

Anonymous fred August 20, 2016 2:19 PM  

"were you aware that Freud never even pretended to do any double blind studies?"

Freud isn't psychology, he's the bizarre thing called psychoanalysis, with all its wacky prejudices, so I'm with you on that. Psychology takes a little more time. Freud isn't entirely useless, but he isn't any sort of gold standard either. Neitzsche and Shakespeare both got there before he did, assuming there's any "there" there.

"because, of course, logic has no place outside the world of mathematics."

If your argument had been logical, I wouldn't have snarked. But then again I'm not Mr. Spock, Hauptmann Kirk.

"whenever you get done twatting on about how inferior the denizens of this blog"

Not doing anything of the sort. I have high respect for most of the folks here. I was just conversatin'. Don't let every damn thing get under your skin.



Anonymous fred August 20, 2016 2:37 PM  

"Fair enough. I'm a Confucianist."


"whatever"

You took the time, an irreplaceable moment from your irreplaceable life, to type "whatever".

Let that sink in, bro.

Anonymous tublecane August 20, 2016 2:49 PM  

@45-"I don't expect anyone in the American political discourse to understand what I'm saying"

Yes, you do.
Fail.

Anonymous fred August 20, 2016 2:53 PM  

No, I don't. It's not virtue signaling. It means I believe my vote is worthless, and I have good reason to think so. Read some Wendell Berry and stop being a fool.

Fail, my arse. You can't tell the difference.

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 3:13 PM  

59. fred August 20, 2016 2:53 PM
No, I don't. It's not virtue signaling.



if you were actually practicing your supposed Confucian principles you'd be explicating to us WHY we're wrong instead of just shitting on the thread with unsupported "Fail" accusations.

because, regardless of whether what i'm doing is logical or no ( and i'll leave that for observers to decide rather than just assuming no one else is qualified to judge, AS YOU DO ), you haven't even attempted a dialectic yet.




55. Matthew August 20, 2016 2:11 PM
whatever
57. fred August 20, 2016 2:37 PM
You took the time, an irreplaceable moment from your irreplaceable life, to type "whatever".
Let that sink in, bro.



good ol Heaving Bosoms reciprocates fred's arbitrary dismissal in 8 letters + 1 mouse click.

fred replies with 113 characters, 19 words and 2 sentences to dismiss Heaving Bosoms as Fail because HB is the one who's frittering his life away.

because no Confucian standards apply to the Confucian.

i rule that Matthew has scored a Fatality. not directly because of the "whatever" response, but because he induced fred to commit seppuku on his own petard.

let that sink in, bro.

Anonymous fred August 20, 2016 3:36 PM  

@ bob: Thin-skinned dude is thin-skinned. Good grief.

It's a freakin' blog, buddy, not an address to the Fellows of the Royal Society.

Or praps you fancy you are one?

Anonymous fred August 20, 2016 3:40 PM  

bob: "you'd be explicating to us"

Now _there's_ a freaking master swordsman with the English language. What are you, an angry negro using expensive words incorrectly to sound edumacated?

This is beyond funny.

Tell me again about logic and Confucianism. I'm all ears.

Anonymous Big Brother August 20, 2016 3:43 PM  

Hugo Nominee Dave Truesdale has been kicked out of WorldCon for Bad Think.
https://twitter.com/MidAmeriCon2/status/767066848034689024

Blogger Dave August 20, 2016 4:06 PM  

Oh noes! Dave's membership was revoked because he violated MidAmeriConII's Code of Conduct.

Anonymous tublecane August 20, 2016 4:11 PM  

@59-I own the book "Sex, Economy, Freedom, and Community," incidentally. Nevertheless, I have no idea what you're talking about.

No, you weren't "virtue signaling." You were superiority-signaling. I know you expect people to understand what you're saying because you could easily be inscrutable if you wanted to. No doubt you want us to think you're condescending to speak to us, but that's not the same as not expecting to be understood.

Maybe you wouldn't be fully understood if you were to unleash your full Confuciosity upon us. But you didn't say that, hence the failure.

(I don't normally enjoy using internet slang like "fail," by the way. But I felt your use of it deserved mockery.)

Blogger SteelPalm August 20, 2016 4:14 PM  

@63 That is hilarious. Causing "excessive discomfort to others" is a ban-worthy offense. MidAmericaCon is more namby-pamby and juvenile than a kindergarten class a few decades ago.

Also, way to troll me, random person above. When I saw triple parenthesis around Meryl Streep, I got confused, because she is about as Jewish-looking as Wesley Snipes. So I looked it up, and she is completely, 100% white. Mix of English, Swiss, German, and Irish, actually.

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2016 4:17 PM  

"Hugo Nominee Dave Truesdale has been kicked out of WorldCon for Bad Think."

They just can't help making our point for us.

Blogger Dave August 20, 2016 4:21 PM  

Vox just posted on the expulsion.

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 4:24 PM  

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/explicate?s=t

you have failed to develop any theory or principle, i said EXACTLY what i meant to say.

but you know what they say;
niggers gonna nigger



Hugo Nominee Dave Truesdale has been kicked out of WorldCon for Bad Think.


WorldCon asks Dave to moderate a panel.

WorldCon asks Dave to give a speech.

WorldCon gives Dave a microphone.

Dave gets screamed down by SJWhoreriors.

WorldCon accuses Dave of "interfering with event operations" which they had asked him to conduct.

it is, of course, no discomfort to Dave when people are screaming at him in the midst of a speech which the WorldCon asked him to give.

unidirectional application of the law, just as we saw in San Jose.

Anonymous fred August 20, 2016 4:27 PM  

"but that's not the same as not expecting to be understood."

No no, my friend, it's not that I don't expect to be understood in this highly sophisticated community, which I respect. What I said was, I don't expect to be understood in the context of common American "political" discourse, and I don't. Which is why I believe my vote is worthless. It's neither virtue-signaling nor superiority signaling. (Maybe "signaling through the flames," as a great man once said, is another matter.) I'd be happy to discuss the whole thing with you, except it's a complicated and length-worthy matter, and this is not my blog, I don't feel I should jam things up endlessly.

Meanwhile....

Brave Sir Mando ran away,
Bravely ran away, away.
When Danger turned its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Brave Sir Mando turned about,
He very bravely chickened out.
Bravely, bravely, bold and fleet,
A very very brave retreat,
Sing the tale of Brave Sir Mando!

Blogger VD August 20, 2016 4:52 PM  

Shut up, Bob and Fred. This post is not about either of you. You are both off-topic.

Anonymous Millenium August 20, 2016 5:05 PM  

@66:  The family's original surname, Messerschmitz, was changed to Streep in the Netherlands by her Sephardic Jewish ancestors.

http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/history-and-heritage/dutch_americans/mary-louise-meryl-streep/

Blogger SteelPalm August 20, 2016 5:13 PM  

@72

I see; according to the link, "distant ancestry" on the Episcopalian father's side. So 1-3%, tops. (Places I checked will note Jewish ancestry for even an eighth, a single great-grandparent) Given the percentage of Jews in Europe that far back, I think most whites living in the US have an equal or greater amount of Jewish blood in them.

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 5:46 PM  

73. SteelPalm August 20, 2016 5:13 PM
So 1-3%, tops. (Places I checked will note Jewish ancestry for even an eighth


1 / 8 == 12.5%
previous generation would, at minimum, be 1 / 16 == 6.25%

so we find that in Jooooomath, being off by a factor of more than 100% ( being that 6.25 is =< 3 ) is perfectly acceptable.

keep that in mind when choosing who to pawn your stuff too.

Anonymous andon August 20, 2016 6:17 PM  

I added the triple parentheses while quoting Skylark's post at #18 because I looked her up before and she was listed as sephardic. if its incorrect blame me :)

Anonymous Moira Greyland August 21, 2016 7:46 PM  

Dedicated to Dave Truesdale, booted from 2016 Worldcon
"Banned from Hugo." (After Leslie Fish's filk "Banned from Argo")

When we pulled into Worldcon in need of R&R
The puppies, Sad and Rabid camped in every joint and bar
We had Trufan expectations of their hospitality
But found too late it wasn’t geared for Puppies such as we

And we’re Banned from Hugo, everyone
Banned from Hugo just for having that Wrongfun
We spent a jolly Worldcon there for just three days or four
But Hugo doesn’t want us anymore...

Our Captain’s tastes were simple and his stories were complex
We found he’d sold five manuscripts and pocketed large checks
The Thought Police were on the way—he had no second chance
His heroine was fair and blonde, and had a straight romance!

And we’re Banned from Hugo, everyone
Banned from Hugo just for having that Wrongfun
We spent a jolly Worldcon there for just three days or four
But Hugo doesn’t want us anymore...

Our Engineer would yield to none at writing Rabid tales
He wrote them for Castalia House and made a ton of sales
His favorite story didn’t win, but it got the votes of all
And now he’s got his No Award on the mantle of his hall!

Our proper, cool new Editor wrote something of her own
And when the draft was finished she was scared to have it shown
Her characters were thoughtful, worse, they acted morally
And Right and Wrong meant only that, and the good guys saved the day!

Our authors are the finest and our bloggers are our pride
And when Dave Truesdale led a panel, tempers quickly fried
We’re sorry that the truth he told was just too strong for you
The SJWs kicked him out and loudly cried boo hoo!

When Truesdale took the mic, he said some things that were no fun
The audience was rude indeed, and told him he was done!
The Emperor has no clothes, he said, the Hugos are a jest
Political correctness has become the litmus test!

Blogger jon spencer August 21, 2016 8:08 PM  

"Short science fiction is dead." Short science fiction is NOT dead. Short BAD science fiction is dying.
J.L Curtis's, Rimworld: Stranded is pretty good.

Blogger Silly But True August 21, 2016 9:14 PM  

"The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast is so mind-bogglingly stupid that it thinks that if you can't see it, it can't see you. Therefore, the best defense against a Bugblatter Beast is to wrap a towel around your head."

Did Dave Truesdale submit a harassment claim? Certainly someone screaming out at him during his panel has to be against the CoC, right? Or it would be if it was the behavior, not the politics of the harasser, that actually mattered.

Blogger Da Curly Wolf August 23, 2016 2:57 PM  

Dave put up the audio of said incident on Tangent. Ain't it a stone bitch when all the sudden whining fuckwits start deleting their posts because audio and video disprove their lies?

Blogger Da Curly Wolf August 23, 2016 3:01 PM  

what I find equally interesting is in the facebook comment threads on this...the dishonest lackwits are whining about 'how dare he record the panel!' or 'I don't understand why he felt the need to record the panel' type responses from those with their noses out of joint and their knickers in a twist, because I as pointed out previously...their lies have been disproven..BECAUSE he went ahead and recorded it.
Because he's a fucking writer, editor and owner operator of a scifi fanzine/ezine that's been in existence for over 2 decades you hamfisted donkey fucking imbeciles! that is all

Blogger Nohbody August 23, 2016 3:53 PM  

@79

And when they're not deleting their posts they're complaining about whether or not he was allowed to make the recording, or that it was a set up by him, or anything but looking at the evidence he posted that vindicates him and makes the concom look like an even bigger bunch of jackasses than the fuckwits that ran last year's awards ceremony.

Booted from the con, via e-mail, without even the slightest pretense of following the con's rules regarding investigations of potential con rule violations that include getting all sides of the story. And yet he's the one that's in the wrong...

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