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Wednesday, August 03, 2016

Democracy is incompatible with immigration

The Netherlands is rapidly learning why:
Europe has more than its share of angry anti-immigrant political parties these days. But one party has turned the politics of immigration on its head, positioning itself as perhaps the first in Europe with a pro-immigrant stance, run by people from immigrant backgrounds.

That party, called Denk, or Think, is led by a multicultural group of candidates seeking to combat xenophobia and racism in the Netherlands.

Denk has promoted itself as a kind of answer to the nativist and isolationist positions of the flamboyant far-right populist candidate Geert Wilders and his Freedom Party, which has been surging in the polls.

“What is unique about Denk is that it’s a party of people with a migration background who completely control the party,” said Cas Mudde, a specialist in European political and radical parties who was born in the Netherlands.

“Nonwhites have been in Parliament for a long time, but all the parties are still dominated by white Dutch people,” added Mr. Mudde, who is an associate professor at the School for Public and International Affairs at the University of Georgia. “We haven’t had a party dominated by nonwhite Dutch that has a potential chance of getting elected into Parliament.”

The Denk party has proved contentious. It has been greeted with skepticism by its political opponents and criticism in the Dutch media.

Denk was accused in the local Amsterdam centrist newspaper, Het Parool, of “fanning flames of immigrant discontent.” On social media, the party has been called “Netherlands haters.”

Among the Denk party’s stated policy goals are banning from legislative forums a pejorative term often used for Dutch nonwhites, “allochtoon,” and to replace the term “integration” with “acceptance.”

It wants to establish a “racism register” to track the use of hate speech by elected officials and to bar those who promote racism from holding public office.
Most Americans don't understand that the same process now at work in the Netherlands has ALREADY significantly altered US law and American society. The only difference is that the various distinctions between "nonwhite Dutch" and the native Dutch are more glaringly apparent than the superficial differences between Americans and "Irish-Americans" or "German-Americans" or "Jewish-Americans". That is how the US immigrants managed to so successfully transform American society and eliminate so many American traditions without meeting much resistance.

It's a little ironic that so many Americans are prone to proclaim "the end of Europe" on the basis of an non-European immigrant population below 10 percent when they don't understand that they have already lost their own nation to immigrants who not only outnumber them, but now rule over them as well.

The top priority of immigrants has always been more immigrants. Because most post-18th-century immigrants are economic migrants who fully intend to reshape the land they have invaded to be more to their liking. See: Californication.

The only solution is to not permit immigrants to vote for at least three generations, until they are at least potentially assimilated. The same policy should have been adopted by the U.S. States in the 1950s.

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115 Comments:

Blogger Nick S August 03, 2016 8:09 AM  

At the very least, only children of two naturally born citizens should be able to vote or hold any kind of government job.

Blogger Raggededge August 03, 2016 8:20 AM  

Headed to Amsterdam tomorrow, this should be fun...

Blogger Raggededge August 03, 2016 8:20 AM  

Wearing my MAGA hat, of course.

OpenID iinteger August 03, 2016 8:29 AM  

Problem with your 3-generation theory: it encourages a culture of early and urgent breeding, which is not what you want from immigrants. At all.

Blogger Dexter August 03, 2016 8:33 AM  

All those old Boomer Dems who run California and ruined it will be shocked when the Latinos take over and crush them.

Blogger Sanne August 03, 2016 8:34 AM  

I have never even heard about this party until now, but if they want local folks to hate them even more than they are doing now, they are on the right track.

Anonymous Clay Carlin August 03, 2016 8:45 AM  

It wants to establish a “racism register” to track the use of hate speech by elected officials and to bar those who promote racism from holding public office.

Using democracy to usher in totalitarianism.

Blogger APL August 03, 2016 8:45 AM  

So the ethnics are introducing apartheid.

Blogger Chris Jackson August 03, 2016 8:54 AM  

Yes, but what about a "Democratic Republic"?

Blogger Phillip George August 03, 2016 8:56 AM  

Islam: one man one vote, once is enough.
Does democracy allow the people to vote for it's non existence?
It's all non sense. Democracy is just another university subject with no demonstrable relationship with the real world.

Did Jesus rise from the dead?

If the answer is Yes, then there is your law, jurisprudence, science, politics, constitution. Just retake Jerusalem. All one needs is a crusade to sort this mess out. If for you the answer is "no" then I suggest you are hamsters on the wheel, in life death destruction cycles without end. Unfortunately this current war isn't new.

No this isn't Overton Window.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 03, 2016 8:56 AM  

@5 Haven't they already taken over? I'm not familiar with LA politics but had assumed whites were expelled from politics at least 10-15 years ago. In SF whites have already been expelled from the political structure. I find it hard to believe they still have any power in LA.

Anonymous Howie Jones August 03, 2016 8:57 AM  

Speaking as somebody who lived in Netherlands for several years, racial profiling is heavy. It is rare to find black or Arabian lawyer, executive or doctor. I saw an interesting business in the Netherlands. There was a lawyer firm, where it transpired that a talented Surinamese did all the job, but ethnic Dutch provided the white, blond face and Dutch-sounding name.
This situation is core reason of Muslim alienation in the Netherlands. In Netherlands everybody is theoretically equal and education is theoretically free for all, but a Muslim can only make kebab or own a car junkyard.
Failure of Dutch to discuss and solve this problem makes me very pessimistic of future of the Netherlands. And I agree that political system is ripe to overthrow, because it simply cannot solve problems in society anymore.
PS. Germany has similar racial profiling of Turks - almost no lawyers, doctors, engineers or executives with Turkish name. If in doubt, check any Dutch or German telephone book.

If people with immigration background in the Netherlands come to the conclusion that main stream parties don't defend their interests then, surprisingly, immigrant parties will appear. I don't think that it is completely a bad idea, at least someone will take care of their interests.

Blogger Rek. August 03, 2016 9:02 AM  

I am in Brussels. Wanna meet?

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 03, 2016 9:03 AM  

Bobby Farr wrote:@5 Haven't they already taken over? I'm not familiar with LA politics but had assumed whites were expelled from politics at least 10-15 years ago. In SF whites have already been expelled from the political structure. I find it hard to believe they still have any power in LA.

Look at the population of the state house. There are still plenty of whites at the state level. When the Latinos gain dominance there is when the hammer will drop.

Blogger Phillip George August 03, 2016 9:06 AM  

Howie, go to Malaysia and try to own a business without a native Malay/ Muslim as "co owner". Just do it - Nikesque.
Equality?
People, this isn't Disney Land. Walt's dead. They were cartoons. CGI doesn't make this stuff real.

Blogger Johnny August 03, 2016 9:06 AM  

Not too long ago I read the book, Lone Star: a history of Texas. The development of the region is a real study in what a bad idea it is to have non integrated groups in your territory.

The Apache tribe controlled a lot of territory at first. The Spanish did what they could to push them around without a lot of success. But then along came the Comanche horse warriors, and they pushed both the Apache and the Spanish around to the point of forcing the abandonment of territory. Plus, by the way, damaging the eastern Indians forced into the region by us Gringos to the point of near extermination.

In the general hope of getting some control over the situation the Spanish down in Mexico City invited in European types, and mostly gun toting Southern Whites moved into the region. They all got along until they didn't. Santa Anna tried to create a second Trial of Tears, this time Texans driven East instead of Cherokees driven west. In a war he should have won, Santa Anna lost and Mexico lost the territory to the newly formed nation of Texas.

What occurs to me about the history of Texas is that there was very little deception in any of this. All the different groups behaved in ways that were ordinarily for their cultural norms, and the result was a long period of strife and warfare.

The lesson I take from this is, forget the good immigrant, bad immigrant model. Rather if they are not likely to integrate into the local culture, they should be kept out. Period. Regardless of other merit.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 03, 2016 9:10 AM  

Every member of this vile group should rounded up and deported. Public flogging before deportation might serve a useful warning to other non-Dutch in the Netherlands. Their apologists can go with them.

Blogger heyjames4 August 03, 2016 9:11 AM  

an immigrant who does not assimilate is a colonist

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 9:11 AM  

12. Anonymous Howie Jones August 03, 2016 8:57 AM

PS. Germany has similar racial profiling of Turks - almost no lawyers, doctors, engineers or executives with Turkish name. If in doubt, check any Dutch or German telephone book.


hmm, now that you mention it I notice the same lack of representation among blacks and browns in those professions here in the U.S.

I wonder what the cause might be?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 9:11 AM  

I have never even heard about this party until now, but if they want local folks to hate them even more than they are doing now, they are on the right track.

This is my initial reaction. With an immigrant-led political party, the nationalists can use opposition to it as a rationale to crackdown on allowing more invaders into Holland. In the government-controlled speech environment of Europe, political discourse will allow the population to circumvent the Luegenpresse to register disgust with mass migration and shape policies to thwart it.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 03, 2016 9:13 AM  

@12 What problem? It sounds like the Dutch are doing a much better job than the Americans. The next best thing to not having foreigners present in the country is having them as marginalized and subordinate to the natives as possible. The sole consideration should be the needs and quality of life of the natives. Foreigners are merely there at the sufferance of the natives and have no moral right to be there.

Of course, this isn't sustainable. White Americans succeeded in segregating Jews in the professions until after the 60s but eventually higher IQ migrants worm their way into the natives' institutions and then open the gates to lower IQ migrants in the name of diversity. Europe is where the US was 50 years ago - an enviable position if they can learn from our defeat.

Blogger Phillip George August 03, 2016 9:14 AM  

Howie=Moshe. Is this a psy-op?

The rule of law has hitherto proven unsuccessful at annulling persistent physical realities such as gravity. But gen XYZ might just keep trying until there aren't anymore of them.

allah hu akbar is very politics.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 9:18 AM  

I hear there are lots of new leftist shills on twitter and reddit lately

Anonymous Jack Amok August 03, 2016 9:20 AM  

Alternatively, Howie, they could take the hint they're not wanted and leave.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd August 03, 2016 9:25 AM  

Moshe wrote:The Netherlands, and much of Western Europe, needs to change much in its Social-Democratic public debate and society.

Or, they need to remove kebab. The change you recommend is suicide. Remove the disease, or die of it.

Blogger Gaiseric August 03, 2016 9:26 AM  

Where did all of the (((trolls))) come from, and why did they pick this particular post to converge on anyway?

Blogger James Dixon August 03, 2016 9:27 AM  

> Whole hypocritical Netherlands. Complain of recent xenophobia, while racial profiling of minority workers out of better jobs has been going for many years at full steam.

So the Dutch aren't allowed to hire their own in preference to outsiders? Does that apply to the outsiders too?

Anonymous JacksCarlton August 03, 2016 9:28 AM  

How would your policy prescription handle the offspring of war brides (or other unions where one parent is a qualifying American and the other is not)? Would it be the same as if both parents were alien? I could see an argument both ways, just curious what you folks think.

Blogger praetorian August 03, 2016 9:36 AM  

All those old Boomer Dems who run California and ruined it will be shocked when the Latinos take over and crush them.

Implying they won't be too busy virtue signaling to notice.

THEY TOOK THE GAS CHAMBER. THE WHOLE F$(KING GAS CHAMBER.

Anonymous Sazerac August 03, 2016 9:37 AM  

@12 Why do these people have interests or expectations in a foreign country anyway? If they want to be a doctor or lawyer they are more than welcome to do so in their own country.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 03, 2016 9:39 AM  

Johnny wrote:Not too long ago I read the book, Lone Star: a history of Texas. The development of the region is a real study in what a bad idea it is to have non integrated groups in your territory.

The Apache tribe controlled a lot of territory at first. The Spanish did what they could to push them around without a lot of success. But then along came the Comanche horse warriors, and they pushed both the Apache and the Spanish around to the point of forcing the abandonment of territory. Plus, by the way, damaging the eastern Indians forced into the region by us Gringos to the point of near extermination.

In the general hope of getting some control over the situation the Spanish down in Mexico City invited in European types, and mostly gun toting Southern Whites moved into the region. They all got along until they didn't. Santa Anna tried to create a second Trial of Tears, this time Texans driven East instead of Cherokees driven west. In a war he should have won, Santa Anna lost and Mexico lost the territory to the newly formed nation of Texas.

What occurs to me about the history of Texas is that there was very little deception in any of this. All the different groups behaved in ways that were ordinarily for their cultural norms, and the result was a long period of strife and warfare.

The lesson I take from this is, forget the good immigrant, bad immigrant model. Rather if they are not likely to integrate into the local culture, they should be kept out. Period. Regardless of other merit.



Visited the Bullock museum in Austin and couldn't help but notice the parallels to their history and modern america.

The Europeans came in and didn't want to live like the locals. Started making demands that the government behave more like other western nations and voila! revolution and displacement of the natives that didn't like it.

The Mexicans have had a chip on their shoulder ever since that happened. Now they are employing the same tactic against us but are trying to be more deceptive about their goals.

Blogger Sanne August 03, 2016 9:40 AM  

Now I remember, it was on the news some time ago, but this whole party consists like out of three people. I don't know why NYT decided to write about it. BTW, there are definitely Black and Turkish doctors, dentists, nurses etc, I've known some personally.

Blogger Rez Zircon August 03, 2016 9:42 AM  

If Europeans went to the immigrant-source countries and behaved this way, they'd be accused of imperialism and colonialism. Maybe it's time we turned those loaded words back on the migrants.

As to generations vs voting, were there such a requirement, I foresee a thriving business in "adoptions" ... what welfare mom wouldn't take a nice bri-- er, I mean compensation for bringing a young immigrant into her family??

Probably the best filter would be a significant requirement of national service -- in the military or building the wall (where you'd learn the native tongue, like it or not). Prove your dedication to your adopted land with your own sweat and blood before you're permitted to vote. For that matter, such a requirement would filter out a lot of stupid voters that were born here.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 9:46 AM  

You guys are going down.

Bring it. Or even try.

Anonymous Bz August 03, 2016 9:49 AM  

Immigrant parties are a symptom of the failure to assimilate the invaders, and one more way post on the road to the multicultural globalist hell hole some desire so ardently. It is the cementing and formalization of permanent social conflicts, because you can't change your ethnicity.

Part of the same trend will be the rise of white nationalist parties into similar ethnic voting blocs, and as a consequence the death of previous parties aligned on quaint ideologies, so enjoy it while it lasts. Perhaps we will celebrate this annually by burning a globalist. In effigy. Of course.

Anonymous Garrulus August 03, 2016 9:55 AM  

This Denk party is a bit of a joke (still), their core members consist of erdogan agents that were kicked from the central left PVDA party for basically failing to denounce turkey allegiance, and an anti black Pete (dutch blackface santa claus sidekick) activist media figure, the upside to Denk is they splinter the low polling leftist parties that traditionally got the nigger kebab vote in my country.

Blogger VD August 03, 2016 9:56 AM  

How would your policy prescription handle the offspring of war brides (or other unions where one parent is a qualifying American and the other is not)? Would it be the same as if both parents were alien?

Yes. There is no reason to encourage that sort of soft immigration.

Where did all of the (((trolls))) come from, and why did they pick this particular post to converge on anyway?

They pay close attention to the Trump and Immigration posts here because they are terrified that those views are gaining traction in the mainstream. Expect to see more of this as the site traffic continues to grow.

No worries, we've got moderators. They'll keep trolling and we'll keep spamming. They're pretty easy to recognize because they insist on preaching and lecturing, and they never budge an inch even when totally disproven.

Anonymous Bz August 03, 2016 9:57 AM  

Rorke's Drift was 150 colonials against 4000 zulus, and I'm sorry, Josh, I don't think you have the heart of a zulu; demographics might thus not be as favorable as they seem. Nevertheless, I suggest you keep those El-Al tickets open and ready.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 03, 2016 10:06 AM  

At least the trolls have a sense of humor, primarily giving themselves Jewish names.

Blogger horsewithnonick August 03, 2016 10:07 AM  

For extra lulz, ask any open-borders libertarian to reconcile his views on immigration with the Free State Project.

Bring a fire extinguisher.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 10:11 AM  

14. OpenID basementhomebrewer August 03, 2016 9:03 AM
Bobby Farr wrote:
@5 Haven't they already taken over? I'm not familiar with LA politics but had assumed whites were expelled from politics at least 10-15 years ago. In SF whites have already been expelled from the political structure. I find it hard to believe they still have any power in LA.


Look at the population of the state house. There are still plenty of whites at the state level. When the Latinos gain dominance there is when the hammer will drop.


I think its already happening. Gov. Brown said illegal aliens get 10 DUI's before you can deport them. Also the Hispanics in the legislature wanted to go after a previous governor who attempted to cut off benefits to illegal aliens.

Blogger The Other Robot August 03, 2016 10:14 AM  

@29: Well, nail guns are more humane, if the spate of banker, errr, suicides, is any indication.

Blogger The Other Robot August 03, 2016 10:18 AM  

@Howie Jones: Are you only pretending to have poor English? If so, well done.

Anonymous p-dawg August 03, 2016 10:18 AM  

This is analogous to a couple of houseguests "voting" to kick you out of the house and take over. Has the world taken leave of its senses?

Blogger Shimshon August 03, 2016 10:20 AM  

I think the Jewish view of conversion, which in Jewish terms is immigration into the nation, is instructive.

We are enjoined to "love the convert," and all the issues Vox has raised are reason enough for people to harbor a natural suspicion of alien.

But...

Some nations are considered unasimmilable. Ammon and Moab, in particular (technically, it was only the males so prohibited). Others were given three generations or more until they could marry in. Further, there were times where conversions were not done at all. Of particular note is the aftermath of Purim. We did not accept them, because motivation was suspect.

Because of the mixing of the nations converts, the above rules are no longer applied. But it is understandable why some minor form of them should be. I would not be surprised if we stop accepting converts again soon.

Anonymous A Visitor August 03, 2016 10:22 AM  

@28 I smiled at remove kebab.

@29 Some may be government trolls, if Hawaiian Libertarian's most recent post is to b believed.

@32 No avatar of Belushi chugging liquified carbon monoxide?

Anonymous The OASF August 03, 2016 10:23 AM  

"They pay close attention to the Trump and Immigration posts here because they are terrified that those views are gaining traction in the mainstream. Expect to see more of this as the site traffic continues to grow."

I was accidentally and unfortunately exposed to some mainstream news yesterday evening at the gym thanks to a remote-control-cable-TV-news-channel-flipper (the TVs are rarely on at my gym, hallelujah).

Every single channel was clearly reporting the "news" through a filter, or model or whatever you want to call it, that has Hillary Clinton already crowned as President Elect. Perhaps I noticed so quickly because I'm sensitized to it - an experience that taught me just how powerful and well oiled the psy-op brainwashing really is. Just think, hundreds of millions are so desensitized to it that they never would have noticed the filter in place in a thousand years.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 03, 2016 10:24 AM  

@16 Johnny

I recommend you also read Empire Of The Summer Moon.

As to Santa Anna wanting to create a second Trail Of Tears, you might want to compare the year of the events.

The Runaway Scrape were the Texians/Texicans/Colonialist/undocumented moving themselves ahead of the Mexican Army. The Texians (keeping it short) were not like the Indians (Cherokee, Seminole, Creek, Choktaw, Chickasaw) who were removed and marched.

Santa Anna was right to be suspicious, and was correct IMO, of Andrew Jackson's ultimate aim with regards to Tejas y Coahuila. These uSA were looking at ALL the lands between the former British Colonies and the Pacific Ocean. That Santa Anna, screwed up, big time, there is no question.

Sam Houston's strategic retreat was strategic in the same sense that Sherlock Holmes Learns from Watson. The Texian Army was at the point of revolt at the continual retreat. Sam Houston's was trying to reach the Louisiana border and to trigger a war between Mexico and these uSA. But, the Texians went towards Harrisburg rather than keep moving north (I do think that Capt. Billingsley's account is accurate).

And the rest is history.

Remember the Alamo
Remember Goliad
Remember Presidio

Anonymous Jacks Carlton August 03, 2016 10:25 AM  

How would your policy prescription handle the offspring of war brides (or other unions where one parent is a qualifying American and the other is not)? Would it be the same as if both parents were alien?

Yes. There is no reason to encourage that sort of soft immigration.

Makes sense to me. This would disqualify me from voting as my Grandfather married a Western European woman after WWII and brought her back home, but I would gladly sacrifice my right to vote in order to ensure a more assimilated voting block.

Blogger The Other Robot August 03, 2016 10:29 AM  

It is interesting how two groups from the Middle East refuse to integrate.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 03, 2016 10:29 AM  

I forgot ... Texas independence is a classic lesson on what happens when a country, Mexico in this case, losses control on immigration.

Not to mention VD's ancestors' loss of control on immigration, from the Spanish to the French to the British to the Former Colonialists.

Anonymous glenintenn August 03, 2016 10:29 AM  

and yet concepts like "offshoring" flourish in the Nordics.

They too have not learned... especially in white collar jobs where the invasion is simply not understood in its scope, speed and irreversability once set in motion.

This article glosses over globalization and offshoring as "virtualized teams". What the author fails to see (and is happening already) is that those remote teams are now demanding that the US / EMEA time zones run on their schedule and no longer on the Imperialists time schedules. (the author talks about Bulgaria working on a late schedule to accommodate US / Nordic schedules... that tide is turning already).


http://mentormate.com/blog/8-myths-leading-virtual-teams

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 10:32 AM  

I hear the mexans hated the Apaches. they went to the U.S. govt for help - "get em off me, get em off me"

Anonymous Millenium August 03, 2016 10:37 AM  

@26: Where did all of the (((trolls))) come from, and why did they pick this particular post to converge on anyway?

Some of Vox's posts have been put on /pol/. I expect the (((shills))) realized his ideas might make people commit the crime of wrongthink. /pol/ is sometimes nothing but (((shills))) pretending to argue with themselves. After a while they just become a visual 'background noise'.

Trump is inspiring people. He is giving them hope that their race and civilization can be saved. (((They))) are afraid.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 03, 2016 10:43 AM  

@53

Mexico asked for people to settle in Tejas, to create a buffer between the Indians and Mexico City. There were conditions to the settlement, among them were: becoming Mexican citizens, becoming Roman Catholics and the non-negotiability of the land grants until after a period of settlement and work.

To say that many immigrants into Tejas dealt in deceit is to put it mildly.

To my recollection, there was no Mexican petition to these uSA for help. I would like a source if you have one. I have read 5 books on Texas' independence and I would love to learn more.

Blogger Gaiseric August 03, 2016 10:52 AM  

@48: And there's a reason Sam Houston was drummed out of office fairly quickly after the Republic was established and replaced with Mirabeau Lamar. Not that Lamar was any kind of genius, and his policy of openly antagonizing the Indians when he was still fighting a two-front guerilla war against Mexico and the Comancheria—in spite of the assurances of Santa Ana after the Battle of San Jacinto. Houston was an appeaser in many ways, and fundamentally out of step with his people. Lamar was more a man of his people—my people; the feisty backwoods Southerner of Northern English and Scottish borderlander stock who were the founding population of Texas, and represented not only our virtues, but also our fatal cultural flaw: impatience, stubbornness, hot-headedness and he was all too willing to engage in confrontations that were unnecessary.

Houston was also a major instigator of joining the US—when most Texans were more than happy to continue on as a Republic in spite of the many challenges it would have posed, and was the only sitting governor in the South to oppose secession, so he was promptly removed from office in 1861.

That said, the Runaway Scrape was strategically not at all without merit.

As to the topic at hand, it's interesting that in the 18302 and 1840s, there were actually ALL KINDS of secessionist/independence movements within Mexico. The Yucatan, Neuvo Leon, Tamaulipas, Coahuila, etc.—but only the Texians, who's revolution was run by Anglo-Saxons and Scots Irish and other ethnic British folks, was successful in achieving anything that was more than ephemeral.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 03, 2016 11:01 AM  

"They're pretty easy to recognize because they insist on preaching and lecturing, and they never budge an inch even when totally disproven."

Interesting... a German political leader from the 1930's to mid 1940's observed the exact same behavior in (((certain people))) whom he came into contact with in Austria and Germany.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 03, 2016 11:01 AM  

55. JaimeInTexas

Tejas (as was) is an excellent example of what happens when you have an unrestricted immigration policy (in this case Mexico's) on an expansionist minority with a ravenous appetite for new land (in this case, you .

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 03, 2016 11:09 AM  

Howie Jones wrote:This situation is core reason of Muslim alienation in the Netherlands.

That's very odd because in ALL the surrounding countries (e.g. Belgium, France) the failure of muslim integration is due to their barbaric ideology being incompatible with the civilised host nation so they self-segregate and insult and try to kill the native taxpayers who pay for their livelihoods.

Who'd have thought the Netherland had magic dirt? Maybe you could export it to all the other countries having problems with muslims because of their medieval ideology and low IQs incompatible with democracy and solve all the world's problems?

Blogger Phelps August 03, 2016 11:10 AM  

and to replace the term “integration” with “acceptance.”

Note that this shifts the onus from the invader to integrate onto the invaded to "accept".

Blogger Phelps August 03, 2016 11:11 AM  

And "acceptance" is a synonym for... yup, "submission."

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 11:12 AM  

Using democracy to usher in totalitarianism.

Like we've never seen that one before.

Slaves always forge their own manacles.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 11:17 AM  

Hi Lar Eee Us.

These idiots came from places that never in 500 years could produce the wealth & prosperity of the Western country to which they came, but propose to elbow aside those who produce the golden eggs the invaders desire.

There are not words to describe how stupid are such people. Apparently the complacent, pathologically altruistic Westerners are not the only morons who believe in Magic Dirt.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 11:19 AM  

Ah, Phelps, the Left's answer for immivasion is the same given to a woman about to be raped:

"Don't resist, just lay back and enjoy it."

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 11:22 AM  

Immigrants should Go Home. Be lawyers, etc. at Home.

Get it, Howie?

Anonymous Satan's Hamster August 03, 2016 11:24 AM  

It's worth noting that this doesn't just apply to migration on an international level, but internal migration, too.

I live in an area that's rural and conservative with only small concentrations of liberals in small cities. But, now the liberals have voted to destroy the economy in the liberal-infested parts of the country, they've started moving here, looking for work in an economy that still functions, or stiffs to pay their welfare checks. So now they're starting to vote for the same old shit that destroyed their last nest, and will destroy it here, before long.

You just can't have democracy and open migration, period. Any nation that tries will rapidly destroy itself.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 11:26 AM  

@ #55 - I recall that I read it online and it seemed to be a legit website with old documents. This was after the war of 1836 and the mexans couldn't handle the Apaches raiding into their territory so they pleaded with Uncle Sam to rein them in. What made it interesting to me at the time was that I was previously under the impression that the mexans and Indians were all united in hate against the durty gringos up here.

Blogger Chiva August 03, 2016 11:26 AM  

"Because most post-18th-century immigrants are economic migrants who fully intend to reshape the land they have invaded to be more to their liking. See: Californication."

Look at the California's central valley to see the full extent of Californication. Victor Davis Hanson does have a decent series on what is going on there (Yes, I know he writes for NR).

There are still echoes of the old California in the northern quarter of the state. Years ago when I first heard of the push to make the state of Jefferson I considered it a joke, over time I have come to appreciate the reasons for the movement.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 11:27 AM  

Immigrants should Go Home. Be lawyers, etc. at Home.

Get it, Howie?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 11:29 AM  

Left Coast ists have all but ruined CO and other rural Western States by immigrating there.

The USA has a lot of fault lines that may become vast gulfs when the credit bubble music stops.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 11:29 AM  

60. Blogger Phelps August 03, 2016 11:10 AM
and to replace the term “integration” with “acceptance.”

Note that this shifts the onus from the invader to integrate onto the invaded to "accept".


yes, word games by the ingrates

Blogger Johnny August 03, 2016 11:35 AM  

Gaiseric wrote:@48:

As to the topic at hand, it's interesting that in the 18302 and 1840s, there were actually ALL KINDS of secessionist/independence movements within Mexico. The Yucatan, Neuvo Leon, Tamaulipas, Coahuila, etc.—but only the Texians, who's revolution was run by Anglo-Saxons and Scots Irish and other ethnic British folks, was successful in achieving anything that was more than ephemeral.


When Napolion sold the Louiasana Purchase, he decetfully included parts of Texas, and the US retained a sort of vague claim on the property. That excited the imaginations of various groups and produced a number of secession movement, more or less all of them ill advised and none got any real traction.

A second lesson from Texas is that the better armed groups came off better than the more lightly armed populations. That may well be why the Texans won out. In the Alamo in particular the long range Kentucky rifle did serious damage to the Mexican Army.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 11:35 AM  

I don't worry much about California. Once the aquifers are dry and Americans decide to stop diverting the Colorado River to the assholes who think they won the war, most of the state will be desert and all of the wealth will leave.

Immigrants don't get it. If they were capable of producing what they like about the US, they'd have produced it back home.

Magic Negroes are fiction.
Magic Mestizos are fiction.

They can't have what they want unless Whites are in the majority and running the show.

They know this deep down, and it so enrages them that they'd rather burn it all down than enjoy the benefits as permanent second class citizens.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 11:38 AM  

The top priority of immigrants has always been more immigrants. Because most post-18th-century immigrants are economic migrants who fully intend to reshape the land they have invaded to be more to their liking.

this is true and its prob what bothers most Americans about the current crop immigrants/invaders. that and they feel free to help themselves to your treasury

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 03, 2016 11:51 AM  

You guys are going down. Actually I am a top.

Wearing my MAGA hat, of course. My "White Privilege is evolution that's why Asians have it also" shirt even surprised me at how illiterate US blacks are I doubt any didndus in a place that has legal pot will be able to read it.

Haven't they already taken over? I'm not familiar with LA politics but had assumed whites

Jews have plans for staying in control like Super Delegates and only funding candidates they have crime pictures of.

Muslim can only make kebab...Failure of Dutch to discuss and solve this problem makes me very pessimistic of future

In the last 8 Olympic 100 meter dashes all of the finalists were black. But you don't see any blacks in Olympic strength, coordination, or swimming events. That's because evolution favored running away from hyena's in R style locations. In K style locations people had to build/plan/store for when no food grew in winters. Intelligence has no benefit in R stlyle locations as seen here with chimpanzees being smart enough not to share knowledge of anti malarial plants with black Africans. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45484594/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/chimpanzees-self-medicate-food/
Coco the sign language Gorilla has a higher IQ than most blacks in the world, & a larger vocabulary.

So the Dutch aren't allowed to hire their own in preference to outsiders? Does that apply to the outsiders too?

Rotherham UK showed the positions 3rd world savage moslems offer to white girls. As did 3 Puerto Ricans whose flag got taken down & replaced with a US one the day after they made the news in OH.

They pay close attention to the Trump and Immigration posts here because they are terrified that those views are gaining traction

Why do moslems stone gays to death(with rocks) and mutilate little girls genitals? One day Mohamad's oldest wife hit puberty and he realized the gays were right about his penis being smaller than what is now cut off little girls.

What if all your extra page views are coming from leftists and CUCKs?

Blogger Johnny August 03, 2016 11:56 AM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:@53

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To say that many immigrants into Tejas dealt in deceit is to put it mildly..


The way life works is that if an agreement between the parties is made and one side does not enforce their rights, eventually they lose the right to enforce their rights.

For example: Your girl friend moves in with you and there is a prior agreement that she will pay rent, but she never actually pays rent. The longer she goes without paying rent, the less likely it is you will be able by law to collect past due rent. Given enough time the reality of not paying rent trumps the prior agreement.

The Tejas population agreed to all sorts of things, to go Catholic was probably the most important. And then for decades they openly and notoriously did not follow the agreement. This can be called bad faith I suppose, but a very low level of bad faith because the Mexicans did not enforce their half of the deal.

The same thing is going on in Europe with the Islamic invaders. The Europeans expect them to integrate and except in the imagination of some Europeans, they are openly and notoriously not integrating. When the blow up comes part of the blame goes to the Europeans.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 12:08 PM  

69. Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 11:27 AM
Immigrants should Go Home. Be lawyers, etc. at Home.

Get it, Howie?


yes, they should work on their nuclear physics at home

Anonymous BGKB August 03, 2016 12:18 PM  

are definitely Black and Turkish doctors, dentists, nurses etc, I've known some personally.

I have worked with a black doctor that malpracticed himself to death with a medical error. I do give the benefit of doubt, one time I was in an accident & went to a nearby ER ending up with a black doctor who misread my x-ray results thinking I had a Fx. I realized he misread it after I asked to see the film but the treatment was pretty much the same as if it was a soft tissue injury except I got more restricted work limits out of it & since it was not where I worked (((Saul))).

Nice you brought up nurses in the UK moslem nurses don't have to wash hands or other body parts.
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/04/uk-allows-muslim-nurses-to-not-wash-to-protect-their-modesty/

Anonymous Anonymous August 03, 2016 12:23 PM  

Well, it's already happening and I am not sure they're shocked, but rather celebrating their own decline

Blogger Dave August 03, 2016 12:37 PM  

What if all your extra page views are coming from leftists and CUCKs?

Whadya mean extra page views? You saying Leftists and Cucks don't count?

Blogger Nick S August 03, 2016 12:37 PM  

OT

Damn it, I keep forgetting to use your little link when I make purchases unrelated to Castalia House publications on Amazon. If you actually benefit from it, I'll make an extra effort to remember. I buy a lot of crap on Amazon.

Blogger VD August 03, 2016 12:53 PM  

If you actually benefit from it, I'll make an extra effort to remember

We do, yes. It would be appreciated.

Blogger Nick S August 03, 2016 1:00 PM  

Done. Saved link address in my Shopping Bookmarks folder.

Blogger Azimus August 03, 2016 1:03 PM  

I'm glad you've come around to finally give the Dutch a seat at the "chosen people's" table with the English, VD. They were close enough that Cromwell suggested merging the two nations into one, afterall...

Anonymous Longtime Lurker August 03, 2016 1:15 PM  

Aside from Martin van Creveld's contribution to There Will be War, Vol. X, does Castalia House have other essays/works that focus on the perils of mass immigration?

Any reading recommendations outside Castalia House?

Anonymous BGKB August 03, 2016 1:48 PM  

We could just lower the standards for non east Asian minorities even more than:
" R Street Crew gang member who got arrested for dealing and his acceptance letter from the police academy the same day, and included details like this:"

http://www.vdare.com/posts/affirmative-action-police-hiring-as-covered-by-the-washington-post

Anonymous 5343 August 03, 2016 1:54 PM  

VD wrote:If you actually benefit from it, I'll make an extra effort to remember

We do, yes. It would be appreciated.


Speaking of which, is there any way to link directly to Amazon.ca or Amazon.co.uk, which are where I make 95% of my Amazon purchases? I only use .com when they have something unavailable anywhere else.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 03, 2016 1:58 PM  

@56.  Gaiseric
I cannot prove it but it is my positin tht Sam Houston was sent, by Andy Jackson, to Tejas for the express purpose of directing the budding "restlessness" to separate from Mexico and to union with the Former British Colonies.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 03, 2016 1:59 PM  

@58.  Cataline Sergius

Cannot determine whether you are being funny.

My people? Who dat be?

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 03, 2016 2:01 PM  

@76.  Johnny

The issue of selling the land grants without authority in New York was a very big issue, IIRC.

Blogger Johnny August 03, 2016 2:22 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:@76.  Johnny

The issue of selling the land grants without authority in New York was a very big issue, IIRC.


I am not sure what this has to do with Texas. Land speculation in the western territories was at times a serious problem, and I suppose some of it came from government corruption. The Spanish model was to give big shots large land grants and expect peons to do the work as a matter of course.

Because the US government did not have jurisdiction over Texas, all the crap that went on was sponsored by individuals, not government policy.

Without much doubt Andrew Jackson would have liked to acquire western territory, and had the situation developed to his liking perhaps there would have been US Army involvement. But then surprise, surprise, Sam Huston beat the Mexicans all by himself. To the victor goes the spoils and Texas was independent.

It is possible there was collusion between Houston and the US government, but I would like to see some active evidence of it before taking it as a given.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 03, 2016 2:28 PM  

Why don't the trolls give up when the facts and logic destroy their arguments. Simple they want to own the moral level of the conflict.

If you even contest the moral level and I suggest discrediting them as the best way then you will crush them

Anonymous cheddarman August 03, 2016 2:38 PM  

@ 24 "Alternatively, Howie, they (leftist trolls) could take the hint they're not wanted and leave."

preferably, Only after we tear them new vagina holes

Blogger camperbot August 03, 2016 2:39 PM  

Vox are there any decent works out there that examine in reasonable detail the different immigrant waves into the US?

Blogger cheddarman August 03, 2016 2:39 PM  

"The only solution is to not permit immigrants to vote for at least three generations, until they are at least potentially assimilated. " -Vox


I would rather send them home for 3 generations,then we can decide if we want them back

Anonymous Hrw-500 August 03, 2016 2:40 PM  

A bit off-topic but I spotted this news via the blog Moonbattery about a French publisher who revised decision to publish book critical of Islam. http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/07/fearing-islamist-reprisal-french-publisher-revises-decision-to-publish-book-critical-of-islam/

I think it won't be long before pirate copies of this book will surge on the www.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 03, 2016 2:48 PM  

@90

Because per the conditions of the land grants, until the grantee had worked the land for a number of years, the title of the land could not be sold. The problem was that land was granted and were being sold without the grantee ever having set foot on the grant.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 03, 2016 3:03 PM  

Most Americans don't understand that the same process now at work in the Netherlands has ALREADY significantly altered US law and American society.

And it happened right before our very eyes.

Anonymous BGKB August 03, 2016 3:13 PM  

Related: Why the US should have had a sand nigger presenting the torch. Because sand niggers in the US army killed more US soldiers than have died in the US military for at least 100 years.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/why-michael-phelps-wasnt-best-000000737.html

Why don't the trolls give up when the facts and logic destroy their arguments.

They think appealing to the corrupt authority that agrees with them should be enough to win.

Anonymous Anonymous August 03, 2016 3:16 PM  

Honestly, I'm an American immigrant to Australia, and I am sensetive enough about bringing my American 'AR-15s for every three year old' values to Australia that I frankly do not think I should have the right to vote. I would absolutely support that policy; vote for it even if it was the last vote I was ever able to make.

The idea that Democracy + Immigration are inherently incompatible seems so glaringly obvious, yet these are the two totems of the modern liberal order.

Anonymous halibetlector August 03, 2016 3:24 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Why don't the trolls give up when the facts and logic destroy their arguments. Simple they want to own the moral level of the conflict.

If you even contest the moral level and I suggest discrediting them as the best way then you will crush them


I'm not so sure about that. Most people's brains are consensus based. If they see the same thing being asserted in enough places, they'll assume it's true. No amount of proof will dissuade them from believing what the majority believes (or what they think the majority believes).

The only thing I've seen combat what I described above is when somebody with significant social proof makes a counter assertion. The bigger the social proof, the bigger the effect on others. This is why Trump's involvement in the public discourse is so important beyond just the election. It's also why they're sending out the troll squads. They don't have anyone with more social proof than Trump or Vox, so they're trying to make it look like there's overwhelming opposition.

Blogger Lovekraft August 03, 2016 3:41 PM  

SJWs don't care about consequences. It's all about the photo ops, virtue signalling and white guilt.

And even if thousands of bodies pile up before they even notice, they'll turn to Hollywood to cast more spells.

Anonymous Joe August 03, 2016 4:07 PM  

Howie, are not Netherlanders entitled to their own country and run it was they see fit, including having racist policies that favor them? I don't see a problem. Go to any non-western country and you see heavily racist laws scouring the locals, and that's how it should be.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 03, 2016 4:46 PM  

I've been thinking about the headline for this one. It seems to me, like a number of things, "a half truth and so wholly misleading." And yet, not quite that, either.

The missing word is "mass" or, perhaps, "large scale." A society, a democratic society, could take a small amount of immigration and likely not have it show any effect whatsoever before the immigrants are completely immersed, assimilated and, ultimately, absorbed. However, and I cannot state this strongly enough, this only happens when it is tightly controlled and with peculiar;y strong guarantees, universal guarantees, of assimilation, basically marriage and military service. The problems get serious when we:
1. Allow very large numbers of immigrants.
2. Are not allowed to assimilate them.
3. Let in numbers of those who are of low or incompatible cultural and educational attributes. (Yeah, yeah, genetics may play a part or, in some cases, a big part, but I doubt it's the whole of it.)
4. Who are allowed to maintain their own culture or - surely this sounds familiar - are encouraged to do so.
5. Allow them to settle in contiguous areas such that they become local majorities. This is merely allowing the creation on your territory of barbarian tribes.

The other part is simply the large, self conscious, and enfranchised minority problem, and that happens - at least, can happen - whether you have large scale immigration or not. To quote from that famous work by Jorge Mendoza, Historia y Filosofia Moral:

"One factor that tends to bring this mutual looting about more quickly is the presence of an enfranchised, more or less large, but distinct minority within a generally pluralistic society. This happens quite without reference to race or culture; it is the minority status that drives the event. Perhaps better said, the minority status, because all minorities are or feel they are under threat in one way or another, tends to drive those members to vote as fairly cohesive blocks to defend their perceived interests, even as elites move to exploit those fears for their own ends.

Even where the minorities are relatively wealthy and influential themselves, often governments find they must buy off, rather, seem to be buying off, the population at large to distract attention from programs designed for the benefit of those minorities."

Of course the problem extends past mere wealth transfers, or notional wealth transfers, or fraudulent wealth transfers, which are the most common. Having a large enfranchised minority - could be a white minority and someday I expect the Xhosa and Zulu to figure that one - is that it can pervert everything.

Still though, the word "minority" doesn't describe the problem well enough. To have the effect the minority needs to be large enough to have a voting block to prostitute.



Blogger EscapeVelocity August 03, 2016 6:30 PM  

Integration is already weasel words nativewhich intimates the necessity of the host society to change to suit the newcomer settler colonists. As opposed to assimilation Be skeptical when you hear integration used by slimy politicians instead of assimilation.

Acceptance pushes is even further. Acceptance means submission to the dominion of the conquering settler colonists.

Anonymous Millenium August 03, 2016 6:43 PM  

@91 Why don't the trolls give up when the facts and logic destroy their arguments. 

Because they are desperate for the shekels Uncle George pays them.

Anonymous Anonymous August 03, 2016 10:10 PM  

"it’s a party of people with a migration background who completely control the party"

Doublespeak. Read: "immigrants and foreigners".

Anonymous Anonymous August 03, 2016 10:29 PM  

@45: even converts are questionable. A male Cohen (priestly tribe) cannot marry a female convert, slut, divorcee or one held captive by a non-Jew (since she may have been non-Jewishly raped/contaminated)

Blogger The Other Robot August 03, 2016 11:29 PM  

@Tom Kratman: The missing word is "mass" or, perhaps, "large scale."

Correct. A few percent, carefully selected, is enough to get the best genes and leave the rest. Usually, you only want the females as well. They carry pretty much the same somatic genes as the males.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 04, 2016 1:51 AM  

That is how the US immigrants managed to so successfully transform American society and eliminate so many American traditions without meeting much resistance.

Like birthday parties, Halloween and Christmas trees. So vile!

Dirty scoundrels.

Blogger MycroftJones August 04, 2016 2:42 AM  

I note that the 3 generation solution is straight out of the Bible. Biblically, it should also be extended to property ownership, and holding public office or any position of authority over natives. And if the immigrant is from a nation that is hostile, it is 10 generations, not 3.

Blogger MycroftJones August 04, 2016 2:43 AM  

When I tried to comment just now, I was knocked offline. Coincidence? Probably.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 04, 2016 10:10 PM  

TOR:

We could probably admit some numbers of high quality single women, though it's going to be a system ripe with fraud, I am sure, with marriages contracted solely for the purpose of green cards. I suggest severe criminal penalties for engaging in the fraud, and severe tax penalties for early divorce.

The military is a little safer, because they'd have to pay in something besides coin to get in and stay in. However, we wouldn't want the mercenary / unreliability problem; we'd have to restrict numbers severely, not more than 5%, I think of any given branch of service and MOS, and we ought not take on anyone from hostile populations.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 04, 2016 10:10 PM  

TOR:

We could probably admit some numbers of high quality single women, though it's going to be a system ripe with fraud, I am sure, with marriages contracted solely for the purpose of green cards. I suggest severe criminal penalties for engaging in the fraud, and severe tax penalties for early divorce.

The military is a little safer, because they'd have to pay in something besides coin to get in and stay in. However, we wouldn't want the mercenary / unreliability problem; we'd have to restrict numbers severely, not more than 5%, I think of any given branch of service and MOS, and we ought not take on anyone from hostile populations.

Anonymous Pennywise August 04, 2016 10:48 PM  

"I note that the 3 generation solution is straight out of the Bible."

From what passage?

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