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Thursday, August 25, 2016

Did Trump cuck on immigration?

I don't actually care what he did or didn't do, but since some of you obviously want to get into this, be my guest. But do it here, not in the other threads.

Go ahead and make your cases.

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193 Comments:

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 8:56 AM  

Why don't you care?

Blogger LES August 25, 2016 9:00 AM  

Does Trump really want to win if he has to put his business in a blind trust ? Even his family will be prevented from overseeing his business.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 9:03 AM  

He said what he said.

He either has to walk it back and change it back to what it was before... or he's a cuck. Just as much a cuck as Rubio and Jeb.

He still has the simple fact that he is Not Hillary going for him... which honestly is a lot.

Blogger Joshua_D August 25, 2016 9:03 AM  

Subbing for the lulz.

Anonymous A German August 25, 2016 9:04 AM  

I don't actually care what he did or didn't do

I haven't looked into what he said this time. I don't care either. If you compare Trump's position with the AltRight position he isn't there anyway. The AltRight wants millions so called legal aliens out. Trump is a first step, a shift in the overton window. Trump is not the endgame. He is merely the best option America has right now.

Front National in France is openly talking about taking citizenship away from blacks and then deporting them. That is the future for America if it wants to survive. Not just illegal immigration is the problem. Legal immigration of millions of people who never will be Americans is.

Blogger Gaiseric August 25, 2016 9:09 AM  

I've been hit with this rhetoric from Trump-skeptic friends lately asking me what I think of it.

Trump's ALWAYS been too soft on immigration. The so-called "cucking" doesn't bear out; the reference I was sent at the Daily Beast did not have a quote that really bore out the headline that Trump was changing course in any meaningful way. What he said is entirely consistent with his published position on immigration still.

This is just a dishonest rhetorical jab meant to suck the wind out of the sails of the alt-right support for Trump and dampen voter enthusiasm for him.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 25, 2016 9:09 AM  

Trump hasn't lost me yet. If he keeps droning on about "paying taxes, learning to speak English," and the other Bush-like GOP platitudes about what will allow an illegal to stay here, I won't vote for him. I've already decided to stop donating.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown August 25, 2016 9:09 AM  

Either I missed a memo or the Lugenpresse is lugen-ing again.

Show me where Trump cucked on immigration?

Not examples of the MSM saying he cucked. Show me where he actually cucked.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 9:10 AM  

He still has the simple fact that he is Not Hillary going for him... which honestly is a lot.

True, but that makes him no different from McCain or Romney, whose best qualities were Not Obama.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 25, 2016 9:11 AM  

People who take politicians (including Trump now) at their word surely are too short for this ride.

Trump is X, Crooked Hillary is Y; pick one. Pick neither (one will be picked regardless.)

We have a mountain of evidence of who and what Hillary Clinton is. (My personal view is that she's literally a demon from hell.) Trump is a mixed bag.

Evil. Or a mixed bag.

Yet we're treated by endless micro-analysis of every word that comes out of his mouth, as though people elected president single-handedly define policy for the executive branch for 4 years.

Truly, most people in these Too Easy Times never leave adolescence behind.

Blogger Gaiseric August 25, 2016 9:11 AM  

In any case, as A German just alluded to, the genie is out of the bottle now with regards to immigration. The Overton Window will continue to shift to the right on this issue. Trump is not the end game, he's the first step.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados August 25, 2016 9:12 AM  

Nah he didn't change on that. That Kellyanne chick though might be a scorpion he needs to shake off of his back, though. He's repeatedly stated he hasn't changed on immigration. The MSM is just trying it's damnedest to rattle the support for Trump because nothing else is working. Of course this won't work, either.

Blogger Alexander August 25, 2016 9:12 AM  

Give it a week or so: if the TRS guys lash back or Ann Coulter cancels, it's substance. If it's just media shitlibs and cucks yapping, it's gaslighting.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 25, 2016 9:13 AM  

I imagine that few people here viewed Donald Trump as some sort of panacea for all that ails the United States.

I merely hope that, if he is elected, it will cause the globalists to panic and do something rash that will hasten the destruction of Mordor on the Potomac.

Deo Vindice

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 9:13 AM  

This is the equivalent of Nigel Farage saying "well, there is some good about the EU, so we don't have to completely leave."

Blogger dc.sunsets August 25, 2016 9:15 AM  

The only person who would be consistent and truthful on "immigration" would strike 80% of white Americans as "extreme."

We're still IN the antebellum period. Stocks are hitting new All Time Highs. Bond prices are equally stratospheric. Top line prosperity is "Flashing Green." Sounding like the S is about to HTF is a certain loser in politics in this environment.

Who is so stupid they don't understand this?

Once the Phase Change occurs, people will be killing each other in the streets over who supports what candidate, and candidates will be promising to deploy the military against their opponent's followers following their election.

That will be when you'll see candidates call a spade a spade.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 9:16 AM  

"True, but that makes him no different from McCain or Romney, whose best qualities were Not Obama."

I'm not entirely sure McCain and Romney qualified as "not obama".

The primary difference between them and Obama was ... hair product?

Blogger Joe Doakes August 25, 2016 9:18 AM  

Run to the Right to win the nomination; run to the Center to win the election. Nothing unusual about it.

Without building The Wall, deportation is meaningless since they'll simply waltz right back in. After The Wall is built, finish the backlog of hearings and start scouring sanctuary cities for people who've lost their immigration cases, the ones who are truly "illegal immigrants" and whose continued presence is a federal crime. Deport them. Then we can talk about how to handle the rest.

Those simple steps will take the entire first Trump term. And nothing he's said to date contradicts this plan. I'd still choose him over Hillary.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 25, 2016 9:18 AM  

Josh wrote:He still has the simple fact that he is Not Hillary going for him... which honestly is a lot.

True, but that makes him no different from McCain or Romney, whose best qualities were Not Obama.


He still might build the wall. Which is much more than not being the other.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown August 25, 2016 9:19 AM  

Show me where Trump cucked on immigration?

Not examples of the MSM saying he cucked. Show me where he actually cucked.

(Yeah, yeah, the train is fine.)

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 9:21 AM  

"Not examples of the MSM saying he cucked. Show me where he actually cucked."

Dude.

The video is all over the web. You don't have to take anyone's word for it. You can watch it yourself. What he says in the video is actually worse than how many in the media are portraying it.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 9:22 AM  

He still might build the wall. Which is much more than not being the other.

McCain and Romney both promised to build a border fence.

Now if you want to argue that a fence is not a wall, I will not out pedant you.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 9:24 AM  

"McCain and Romney both promised to build a border fence."

there actually already is a border fence. They were claiming they would finish it.

Blogger Alexander August 25, 2016 9:24 AM  

Who is still up for grabs in the electorate?

If this is coming from the intent to capture the vote of 'legal' hispanics, in the hope that they won't feel threatened and all their 50 best friends are going to be allowed to stay except for the two or three 'bad apples'... then this is cuckery , pure and simple.

If it's aim is to capture whites who dislike Hillary but are uneasy with Trump, then it's possibly still cuckery but also a way of babystepping them towards the Trumpenreich. "I can vote for Trump because he's not a racist, he just wants to make sure everyone (he's colorblind!) is following the rule of law and throw out the criminals!"

Anonymous Jozan August 25, 2016 9:25 AM  

His positioned apparently softened because he's no longer going to round them up and put them in camps in the desert. So he's not living up to the imagined caricature the media created of him.

Blogger Shimshon August 25, 2016 9:26 AM  

I'm with you. I don't care. I'm not even sure of what he said, since I've just read third-hand accounts. He SEEMS to have cucked, but what do I know.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 25, 2016 9:26 AM  

"Paris is worth a mass."

"I get along with everyone. I'm a businessman, that's my job."

If you don't like that Trump is cutting deals, you don't like that America is a supersized sclerotic mud-blood mass suffrage democratic republic.

Trump is not a cuck, because he's not a pathological altruist. He's Machiavelli's Prince.

Blogger KJ August 25, 2016 9:27 AM  

He may or may not, doesn't really matter in the long run, but the longer clips I heard were the usual press asking something 50 different ways until they thought they heard a nuance. The main thing they were hammering Trump and Pence directly with was whether they will follow the law or create the law. They doubled down in the interviews I saw and said they were going to enforce the law. Which really is all that is needed currently to start pushing things back the other way dramatically.

Anonymous M4rkyboy August 25, 2016 9:27 AM  

>Rule of law
>Amnesty
Pick one

Blogger Shimshon August 25, 2016 9:28 AM  

However, the thought has crossed my mind that while he may indeed be genuinely reaching out to blacks and Latinos with recent his overtures, they will likely find a more receptive audience in fence-sitting whites, who will give him a second look.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 9:28 AM  

there actually already is a border fence. They were claiming they would finish it.

Does no one remember "finish the damn fence?"

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 25, 2016 9:29 AM  

@20 he had previous said all illegals would have to leave but could then apply to come back (which many of us hoped would evolve to just mean they have to leave). He is now saying non-criminals can stay but would have to pay back taxes. It is all very vague at this point. Coulter is ripping him. Quotes are easily accessible. Obviously, no one here is basing their opinion on MSM characterizations of his comments.

It seems the wall and "extreme vetting" are still on the table so he is still the best nominee in a generation. His comments are sufficiently vague that it may be that he is making soothing, cucklike sounds for election purposes rather than fully reversing. We'll have to wait and see the details, which he has promised in 2 weeks.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 9:31 AM  

It seems the wall and "extreme vetting" are still on the table so he is still the best nominee in a generation.

Even the extreme vetting is a step back from his initial Muslim ban.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 9:31 AM  

"He may or may not, doesn't really matter in the long run, but the longer clips I heard were the usual press asking something 50 different ways until they thought they heard a nuance. "

You have no idea what you are talking about. And you have no idea what WE are talking about.

There are no clips. There is no media hammering him.

He was in a town hall with Sean Hannity. No one was hammering him over and over again. It was a friendly situation and the crowd reaction to what Trump says tells you everything you need to know. They practically boo him.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 9:32 AM  

"It seems the wall and "extreme vetting" are still on the table so he is still the best nominee in a generation."

He's the best nominee since Bush vs Gore? Wow. That's damning with feint praise.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 9:33 AM  

He was in a town hall with Sean Hannity. No one was hammering him over and over again. It was a friendly situation and the crowd reaction to what Trump says tells you everything you need to know. They practically boo him.

But how do we know that was actually Trump and not a Trump impersonator or a body double?

Anonymous Millenium August 25, 2016 9:37 AM  

I have heard a snippet of what Trump said and it isn't really that different to what he has said all along. The illegal trash are going and the good ones can stay (or come back through the big beautiful door). He is just playing politics and thinking in 3D chess again while everyone else thinks in 2D. No doubt the dems/media had a sob story or a dozen about dear Mr Miyagi down the road who came here illegally to escape persecution and worked his ass off. That angle of attack is now useless. Secondly you had the cucks (and iirc even some commenters here) going on about how their dear old grandfather was an immigrant and the big meanie Trump would have kicked them out had he been president at the time. Now that angle of attack is useless. Finally, Trump has now created the perfect attack for his side: If he only wants to deport the gang bangers, rapists, murderers and bludgers then anyone criticizing his immigration plan must be defending those people. Imagine Trump asking Hillary why she is not in favor of deporting rapists?

As much as it would disappoint me, if all Trump accomplishes is to build the wall, only deport the worst 10% of illegals and end foreign wars, that is still far better than anything any president will have achieved since operation wetback.

@Nate: Trump still has pledged to stop American troops dying for israel's agenda and is opposed to the tpp which is still more than jeb and rubio pledged. Even without the wall and deportation he is still ahead of the cucks on policy.

Anonymous Steve August 25, 2016 9:40 AM  

I saw the Trump "cuck" interview on Hannity.

It was nothing of the sort.

Trump was spitballing in front of a live studio audience, not presenting actual policies. He's very obviously trying to shake off the HITLER BIGOT image the MSM are trying to pin on him. He's locked in a tight race and needs to becalm the women of both sexes who are afeared of his rhetoric.

This was a branding exercise, not a policy statement.

That said, he could and might cuck out on immigration. Nobody really knows. I suspect Trump himself doesn't know. The devil is in the detail and Trump's not a detail guy.

On the reasons to be cheerful front, Senator Jeff Sessions is a detail guy, so as long as he's involved in it any Trump immigration plan is likely to be a vast improvement.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 25, 2016 9:42 AM  

Josh,

Why your severe hatred of Trump and glee whenever he stumbles? Do you think he's a conman like the cucks claim? You don't like people liking him?

Anonymous 8 August 25, 2016 9:42 AM  

Josh, Nate

Post the video, and we'll believe you. Otherwise, you're just making claims.

Blogger Teri August 25, 2016 9:42 AM  

We already know that the MSM will trot out weeping "Dreamers" in fear for their lives. They will focus on them like a laser. What Trump has been doing is shining a spotlight on the people that suffered from crimes committed by illegals.

It's also interesting that the MSM wants to focus on people that have been here for years versus the hundreds of thousands they are letting in right now. I have no problem with a vague solution for dealing with illegals that have been here a long time. First we stop the flow. Next we get rid of the criminals and overstays. Those will make a substantial difference.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 9:45 AM  

Post the video, and we'll believe you. Otherwise, you're just making claims.

It's not that hard to Google trump hannity.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I0jZONc4K5M

Anonymous andon August 25, 2016 9:46 AM  

As much as it would disappoint me, if all Trump accomplishes is to build the wall, only deport the worst 10% of illegals and end foreign wars, that is still far better than anything any president will have achieved since operation wetback.

this wont accomplish anything though

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 25, 2016 9:46 AM  

Nate wrote:The video is all over the web. You don't have to take anyone's word for it. You can watch it yourself. What he says in the video is actually worse than how many in the media are portraying it.

Funny, I know a lot of anti-Trump folks via my various social media channels, and have heard NOTHING from them on this. Not even a "SEE? SEE? WE TOLD YOU HE WAS FULL OF SHIT ON THIS!!!!" post with said video attached.

Trump, as usual, is playing to a specific audience. Key word being "SPECIFIC". Immigration, while something I am tangentially concerned about, is not a major issue for me in my line of work. If we were importing people in with the skills AND ACCESS to the things I work with, then that'd be a huge problem.

Blogger Mountain Man August 25, 2016 9:47 AM  

The only way mass deportations would take place in USSA would be in the wake of a series of massive terrorist attacks on our soil by the "Kebab Peace Makers".
Simultaneously a coup would have to take place where the individual conducting it is a "strong-man" cut from the same bolt of cloth as a Napoleon or Jackson. At that point war will have been declared and the strong man will be filling the leaderless vacuum . At that time media hacks, pollsters, public opinion makers, think tankers, feckless politicians and govt hacks will be rendered obsolete.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 9:48 AM  

Do you think he's a conman like the cucks claim?

Yes

Anonymous MAGA August 25, 2016 9:48 AM  

Nate: This is the equivalent of Nigel Farage saying "well, there is some good about the EU, so we don't have to completely leave."

No it's not, dumbass!

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 25, 2016 9:49 AM  

Steve wrote:The devil is in the detail and Trump's not a detail guy.

And you've hit the nail on the head. The details most assuredly will change, and the people that officially operate in that space will handle such changes. Trump's role is that of idea man. That's what SHOULD happen, honestly.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 25, 2016 9:50 AM  

On the reasons to be cheerful front, Senator Jeff Sessions is a detail guy, so as long as he's involved in it any Trump immigration plan is likely to be a vast improvement.

Excellent point. Sen. Sessions would bail if Trump actually cucked. Sessions knew what a fraud the grotesque Churchian trash Cruz was and kept his distance for that very reason.

Blogger Gaiseric August 25, 2016 9:51 AM  

8 wrote:Josh, Nate

Post the video, and we'll believe you. Otherwise, you're just making claims.

Ever hear of Google? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/24/trump-says-hes-open-to-softening-immigration-laws-in-hannity-town-hall.html

Anonymous Steve August 25, 2016 9:51 AM  


We already know that the MSM will trot out weeping "Dreamers" in fear for their lives. They will focus on them like a laser. What Trump has been doing is shining a spotlight on the people that suffered from crimes committed by illegals.


Yarp.

If you watch the Hannity video, Trump's talking about getting rid of murderers and gangbangers.

Hannity then brings up hypothetical "good" illegals who've been in the US for 20 years and worked hard and yadda yadda.

Trump neutralises this by waffling on for a bit about how there might be some sort of exceptions for such "good" illegals, subject to various conditions, but reiterated the need to kick out criminals and so on post haste.

No actual details are given and no numbers were discussed, so it's all a load of hot air in the absence of any fact.

It's pretty obvious that Trump won't win unless he can soften his image somewhat so as not to scare the normies, and this is a preemptive dodge of Hillary digging up the Mexican version of the Khans.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 25, 2016 9:52 AM  

Josh,

Fair enough, do you think he actually wants to be president, or is this just the long con to set up his next billion dollar business? The cucks seem to think the later, that he's already quitting by not running ads, and perhaps intentionally running a poor campaign to lose.

Blogger The Deuce August 25, 2016 9:53 AM  

Millenium wrote:The illegal trash are going and the good ones can stay (or come back through the big beautiful door).

Being allowed to stay and being forced to leave and get in the back of the line are two very different things.

Blogger J A Baker August 25, 2016 9:53 AM  

Trump is trying to be realistic and is making an attempt to show compassion. I never thought his idea of deporting so many millions of people would get past all of the government beurocracy anyway. Congress and Senate would need to approve it, and even if they did many states would fight it.

But here is my two cents,

Trump should however remain tough on the border. But for illegals already here, anyone who has been convicted of a crime should go, all others should be given temporary visas so that they can be tracked. Illegals will have a 6 month grace period or so to apply for temporary visa, those that fail to apply within that six months or so period should be deported.

Those that take the temporary visa should have stringent rules and regulations that must be adhered to in order to become permanent citizens. If they fail they should be deported.

Also something like Kate's law needs to be instated for criminals who come back.

We should also be able to in some way sanction the illegal's home country for the cost. The home countries need to be held accountable.

Anonymous MAGA August 25, 2016 9:53 AM  

Steve: "I saw the Trump "cuck" interview on Hannity.

It was nothing of the sort.

Trump was spitballing in front of a live studio audience, not presenting actual policies. He's very obviously trying to shake off the HITLER BIGOT image the MSM are trying to pin on him. He's locked in a tight race and needs to becalm the women of both sexes who are afeared of his rhetoric."

THIS is exactly right and team Nate/Josh are too blinded by Cruz butthurt to realize it.


Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 9:53 AM  

"post with said video attached."

This is rather like saying the Music City Miracle didn't happen because the Titans fans that talk about it never actually post links to the video of it.

Blogger Gaiseric August 25, 2016 9:55 AM  

MAGA wrote:THIS is exactly right and team Nate/Josh are too blinded by Cruz butthurt to realize it.
It's not Cruz butthurt. Maybe Rand Paul butthurt.

I think it's mostly just still Trump butthurt, though.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 9:56 AM  

"THIS is exactly right and team Nate/Josh are too blinded by Cruz butthurt to realize it."

Neither of us supported Cruz at all.

And given that I have been predicting Trump would win this election for month and months now... this isn't something I'm happy about sugartits.

I believe this makes me very very wrong about the election outcome. I would very much prefer Trump to NOT have cucked.

But what I want, and what has happened, are not the same.

Anonymous johnc August 25, 2016 9:58 AM  

For claiming that he surrounds himself by the best people who love to win, Trump sure has a current streak of picking real losers to run his campaign.

"Soft Trump" isn't very appealing to many people.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 25, 2016 9:59 AM  

"Neither of us supported Cruz at all."

This is fiction.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 9:59 AM  

Fair enough, do you think he actually wants to be president, or is this just the long con to set up his next billion dollar business? The cucks seem to think the later, that he's already quitting by not running ads, and perhaps intentionally running a poor campaign to lose.

At this point, I don't know.

Originally his campaign had a contingency plan to shut down before the fall in order to re-up the next season of the apprentice, but that got canceled after the Mexican rapist line in his speech.

There is a lot of talk that Trump is going to set up his own cable news network with Ailes and Bannon if he doesn't win.

I don't think he's intentionally throwing the race.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 10:00 AM  

This is fiction.

Cite or retract

Blogger Mountain Man August 25, 2016 10:02 AM  

The problems in this country are too deep and systemic to be solved by one man operating under the current paradigm.
Sadly, the only chance for real lasting change to occur is via violent upheaval.
Living here - I don't view the future with anticipation

Blogger Markku August 25, 2016 10:02 AM  

This is fiction.

No, I know another forum and it's unambiguously true in Josh's case. Josh supported Rand. Nate, it's more complicated. He spoke highly of Cruz, but he was never engaging in any activism for Cruz.

Anonymous MAGA August 25, 2016 10:03 AM  

"And given that I have been predicting Trump would win this election for month and months now... this isn't something I'm happy about sugartits."

What were you predicting when Trump originally announced, sugartits?

The comments here are archived. Would you like for me to copy and paste a few to prove it?

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 25, 2016 10:07 AM  

On the bright side, Trump did repeat his opposition to birth right citizenship on Hannity (not that it is an issue he could quickly do anything about).

Blogger Caedryn Stonelaw August 25, 2016 10:07 AM  

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/08/24/trump-no-citizenship-for-people-in-us-illegally-for-long-period-but-theyll-pay-back-taxes-and-we-work-with-them/

A link to anyone else who had no idea what the immediate kerfuffle was.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2016 10:07 AM  

It was very clear, though, that Nate would have preferred Cruz rather than Trump. Is that enough to be a Cruzlim? No. I know a fucking Cruzlim. There is a _contrast_.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 25, 2016 10:08 AM  

@62 I retract for you; not in Nate's case. His praise of Cruz, while not actual activism like Markku points out was at least tacit support.

Blogger Giraffe August 25, 2016 10:09 AM  

The comments here are archived. Would you like for me to copy and paste a few to prove it?

DO IT FAGGOT!

Blogger ZaijiaN August 25, 2016 10:09 AM  

Watching the reaction of the #NeverTrump faction to this news, it strikes me that Conservatives are always looking for the headshot - the 1 critical hit that will solve all their problems. You can tell this by how they celebrate what they perceive to be Trump giving up his superweapon of immigration reform. THIS, they think to themselves, is finally what will take Trump down completely.

The Conservative strategy over the years has been betting on extremely lucky critical hits (AKA birth certificate) rather than working in the high-floor/low-ceiling body blows.

Thus the synergy between Trump and GamerGate - GG has no problem with the grind.

Blogger Caedryn Stonelaw August 25, 2016 10:10 AM  

Also, seeing as he said the crowd reaction was like a poll, i'll wait till i see the official position he was talking about publishing soon.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 10:12 AM  

Also, seeing as he said the crowd reaction was like a poll, i'll wait till i see the official position he was talking about publishing soon.

Would you give ¡Jeb! (Please clap) or Rubio the same benefit of the doubt?

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 10:12 AM  

I retract for you

Thank you sir.

Blogger robwbright August 25, 2016 10:13 AM  

"Do you think he's a conman like the cucks claim?

Yes"

He's a politician now, isn't he?

The only one I know as absolutely reliably NOT a con man was Ron Paul.

Blogger robwbright August 25, 2016 10:13 AM  

"It was very clear, though, that Nate would have preferred Cruz rather than Trump. Is that enough to be a Cruzlim? No. I know a fucking Cruzlim. There is a _contrast_."

CAN CONFIRM

Blogger Guitar Man August 25, 2016 10:18 AM  

Josh, are you a trans-Cruz supporter?

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown August 25, 2016 10:18 AM  

Here's a CNN (Chris Cuomo) interview with Trump from 8/19/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47y0E-tbvhs
Around 26:00 they start talking immigration.
-Deport terrorist/criminals first
-Enforce existing laws
-Build the wall
-Mexico's gonna pay for it
-Pressure Employers
-Repeal 14th Amendment
-Appeal to NAIALT "There are some are wonderful people.... At some point we'll try getting them back... the good ones.... expedite it so they can come back legally."

Here are Trump's positions on immigration reform. This has been up since last winter.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
-A nation without borders is not a nation
-A nation without laws is not a nation
-A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation
-Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
(covered in depth here: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall)
-Triple the number of ICE officers
-Nationwide e-verify
-Mandatory return of all criminal aliens
-Detention—not catch-and-release
-Defund sanctuary cities
-Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa
-End birthright citizenship
It goes on and on.

I could be wrong, but outside of hilarious alt-right memes and MSM pearl-clutching, I don't remember Trump ever saying he will forcibly deport 11 million illegals. Yes, criminals/terrorists/gang members will be forcibly deported, but the rest of the de facto Sessions platform was to create the conditions to encourage self-deportation.

TL,DR Version:
Yeah, I saw the Hannity town hall.

Trump August 2015 - "Even the wonderful, good, productive NAIALT illegals need to go back first."

Trump August 2016 - "I might not make the wonderful, good, productive NAIALT illegals go back first."

Every other aspect of his position on immigration is exactly the same. The left and their controlled opposition are pushing the black pill really, really hard. Don't fall for their defeatist crap.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 10:19 AM  

Josh, are you a trans-Cruz supporter?

That sounds really gay. No.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 10:20 AM  

Trump August 2016 - "I might not make the wonderful, good, productive NAIALT illegals go back first."

He said they could stay if they paid back taxes.

Blogger praetorian August 25, 2016 10:21 AM  

VD now has literal Josh/Nate containment threads.

That's funny.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:21 AM  

"The left and their controlled opposition are pushing the black pill really, really hard. Don't fall for their defeatist crap."

I don't think any of us are telling you not to vote for Trump.

What we're doing is hitting Trump for weakening a position we don't want to see weakened.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:22 AM  

"VD now has literal Josh/Nate containment threads."

hey.

I had not said a word about this on any thread.

Blogger Guitar Man August 25, 2016 10:22 AM  

Josh and Nate really trigger the Trumpsuckers.

Anonymous Fran August 25, 2016 10:24 AM  

I don't remember the Democrats losing their shit when Obama didn't or claimed to not support gay marriage because anyone with a fraction of gray matter knew he was fibbing. Like another poster stated, you got to go more center to win the general election.
Not like politicians never lie. Right, Obama? Hillary?

Anonymous MAGA August 25, 2016 10:24 AM  

Nate has left the building, but his doofus brother Giraffe has his back.

Nate, just admit that you originally called the Trump candidacy a joke and not to be taken the least bit seriously. Now you would have us believe you were the great predictor of a Trump victory?

Can't you see what a fool you're making of yourself?

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 25, 2016 10:25 AM  

BTW, if Trump has several more issues to flip flop on before I would call his bid and possible presidency a lost cause.

1. His Americanism is a lie. He ends up supporting globalism.
2. Doesn't build, not just a little fence, but a true wall of some type which is very effective.
3. Goes further and grants citizenship to illegals through some sort of path.
4. Expands the visa program, instead of trying to reign it in at least a little.
5. Lets the dangerous, criminal, illegals stay without deportation.
6. Leaves the sanctuary cities alone.
7. Comes out in favor of free trade all of the sudden.
8. Gets the USA involved in more, stupid, small wars.

But these aren't all binary. For instance, what if he does beat TPP, but doesn't fix NAFTA. Does that mean he's a globalist? What if he pulls our troops out of S. Korea, but does put boots on the ground in Syria?

The key for me is direction he would take the country, not perfection.

Blogger Caedryn Stonelaw August 25, 2016 10:25 AM  

Josh wrote:
Would you give ¡Jeb! (Please clap) or Rubio the same benefit of the doubt?


I did, their published statements and their off the cuff statements were quite similar if I remember correctly. Did the same for Cruz and Rand who were other candidates I was initially interested in. Though I will also admit I never thought Cruz was eligible for election based on the historical terms of citizenship.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:28 AM  

"His praise of Cruz, while not actual activism like Markku points out was at least tacit support. "

For certain definitions of support. There were times when I saw various attacks against Cruz as invalid. I would defend cruz against those attacks.

In terms of actually being positive about Cruz.. I remember being really excited when the story about him banging all those chicks came out. Because I mean really.. Screwing your opponent's main PR girl? That's pretty awesome.

I'm kinda bummed that wasn't true. That was fun.

I would have rather seen Cruz than Trump. But that's like saying I would rather have seen McCain than Obama.

I don't like any of them enough to vote for them. For most of the primary my main complaint about Trump was that he is a yankee.. and therefore a liar.

he's still a yankee.. and is demonstrating every day that you can't believe a damn thing he says.

TL/DL: its like saying a cowboys fan likes prefers the eagles to the redskins.

Anonymous cheddarman August 25, 2016 10:29 AM  

He cucked. No way around that.

Blogger Caedryn Stonelaw August 25, 2016 10:31 AM  

It also does strike me as a wiggle room statment, however. If the good ones can stay by paying back taxes, how many of them are going to have 50-80K in assets?

Blogger J A Baker August 25, 2016 10:31 AM  

OR!!!

We could classify all Mexican immigrants as political refugees and bring economic sanctions and trade embargoes down on Mexico for violating the basic human rights of their people. I mean why are so many Mexicans leaving Mexico if not out of fear of their own corrupt government? All American Corporations in Mexico would have to leave under the rules of the trade embargo. These sanctions would only be lifted when Mexico has raised its standard of living to the point where it is no longer profitable for American companies to operate there.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:32 AM  

"Nate, just admit that you originally called the Trump candidacy a joke and not to be taken the least bit seriously. Now you would have us believe you were the great predictor of a Trump victory?"

There is this thing called linear time. You should look into it.

At first... way way way back before South Carolina I absolutely thought Trump was running a joke campaign or worse conspiring with the GOP elite.

If you go back and look though, you'll see as soon as he won South Carolina I changed completely.

That's what you do. You get new evidence and adjust accordingly. I was obviously wrong about it being a joke and I was obviously wrong about him working as a spoiler for Jeb.

That doesn't change the fact that since South Carolina I've been saying he would win the thing.

Anonymous andon August 25, 2016 10:34 AM  

54. Blogger J A Baker August 25, 2016 9:53 AM

...But for illegals already here, anyone who has been convicted of a crime should go, all others should be given temporary visas so that they can be tracked. Illegals will have a 6 month grace period or so to apply for temporary visa, those that fail to apply within that six months or so period should be deported.

Those that take the temporary visa should have stringent rules and regulations that must be adhered to in order to become permanent citizens. If they fail they should be deported.


what's the point of this? its just amnesty

Blogger Vladimir Tepes August 25, 2016 10:34 AM  

The banksters need a war desperately right now. They’ve tried so hard in Syria and it just hasn’t worked. Now they’ve got crazy Trump actually saying we should stay out of the Middle East and focus on our own problems, and people are listening… What’s a self-respecting globalist financier to do?

Without the US military killing people and breaking things, there is no future growth path for them. So they send their puppets like Kasich and Romney out to talk up the fight against “evil” and threaten Russia and China, hoping to fool those dumb white ‘Murkins one more time into sending their sons off to die for God and Country and Goldman Sachs.

The IMF Jéws are in bed with the Turks, Saudis, and NATO, they are worried about a Trump audit of the Federal Reserve… and about Trump and Putin teaming up to destroy them once and for all… Trump is a vote for peace, and peace does not make money for the weapon industry. The pseudo secular media and their Zíonist masters profit from destabilization.

Retaining control of US foreign policy is what drives Hillary’s flying monkeys… along with the millions Goldman Sachs and the Saudis have paid her.

The U.S. State Dept. has been infested with communists since WW1 and Woodrow Wilson, they tried to steal the Russian elections for their comrades in the Russian Communist Party through non-profit n.g.o.s… just like at home in America… But Vladimir Putin beat them, so they launched a fággot jihad against the Russian Orthodox church over the punk rock band and the Olympics (something Bitch Romney stupidly piled onto)… Miss neo-kabbalah lesbian Madonna, now rumored to be a Muslim convert, was flown in to agitate while Hillary was on a world-wide gay pride tour.

When the Iron Curtain came down the Bolsheviks all fled to the other side because they knew what the Russians would do to them after 100 years of communism. The best thing about Russia getting Crimea back… Catherine the Great took it from the Turks… What happened right after Russia retook Crimea? The Russian FSB searched all the Turks living there… Why? Because NATO sponsors Islamist terrorism when it suits them to.

The EUSSR needed Libya’s oil, but Muammar Gadaffi decided he wanted gold instead of worthless fiat currency from the EU… What was the first thing NATO did when Gaddafi was deposed besides stealing all of Libya’s gold? Form a new government? NOPE, they formed a new Libyan national bank. Now, why would they do that? Because even if Muammar was deposed, he and his heirs would still be the sole proprietors!

While Leon Puñettas was so busy with gay pride celebrations at the Pentagon, three Navy Seals and a U.S. ambassador were murdered, all because everyone was being so fúcking gay.

Like with the nonsense in Syria, the U.S. State Department armed terrorist rebels to get rid of Gadaffi, the same ones that killed Ambassador Stevens and stole weapons from that secret armory in the basement… It was easy to dispose of the hated Muammar Gaddafi, but Bashar al Assad has friends… Syria and Ukraine are the same scenario as Serbia… NATO, under the direction of Jéws Albright and Clark, bombed Serbia so the IMF Jéws could make loans for rebuilding and get control of Serbian iridium assets…

Albanian Muslims now operate human slaughterhouses in Kosovo where they rip out the organs of Christians to sell to Turkey and Saudi Arabia… How is Hillary Clinton’s “reset button” working out for America, comrades?

Heil Hitler.

Blogger tz August 25, 2016 10:35 AM  

@67 no amnesty and no citizenship. The one problem is any welfare (fraud), or unpaid fees or laws like driver's licenses and insurance they broke the law on. Or if they used the ER.
Technically, if you don't go through customs, you aren't on US soil even if you are geographically, one of the reasons the Constitution doesn't apply when crossing the border - the rights against warrantless searches don't apply. So when you say "Birthright" citizenship, it shouldn't apply to the woman here Illegally.

Blogger Unknown August 25, 2016 10:36 AM  

After watching both nights of the Hannity town hall in their entirety, I can safely say that Trump was speaking extemperaneously, relating what others have said to him, speaking the debate and options aloud. The fact that he keeps coming back to "we have to enforce the law" and "we have very strong laws" tells me he is framing this as a rule of law issue to defuse accusations of racism.

The guy is spitballing out loud in anticipation of a major policy rollout and speech on immigration comparable to what he just did on domestic law and order and foreign policy in the last two weeks.

Given that Sessions is his policy guy on immigration, I expect that I and many here will be satisfied with it.

Anonymous Steve August 25, 2016 10:36 AM  

Screwing your opponent's main PR girl? That's pretty awesome.

I'm kinda bummed that wasn't true.


I think it was true though.

Ted Cruz is a shagger.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:38 AM  

"If the good ones can stay by paying back taxes, how many of them are going to have 50-80K in assets?"

True.

The trouble is there are no records to show what those back taxes would be. No way to show what they earned. Which is why the Gang of 8 bill called it a fine.

I agree if its large enough it creates a significant barrier and could result in the 11 million all being deported based just on the fact that they could pay.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:38 AM  

"I think it was true though.

Ted Cruz is a shagger."

oh come on.. there is no way that was true.

Its way to awesome to be true.

Blogger J A Baker August 25, 2016 10:39 AM  

Say it's just amnesty is a oversimplifiyng it, but even so, it's better than nothing. Mass deportation is a pipe dream.

Blogger bob k. mando August 25, 2016 10:39 AM  

9. Josh August 25, 2016 9:10 AM
True, but that makes him no different from McCain or Romney, whose best qualities were Not Obama.



nobody believes you can't see a difference between McCain / Romney and Trump.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 25, 2016 10:42 AM  

Unknown wrote:The guy is spitballing out loud in anticipation of a major policy rollout and speech on immigration comparable to what he just did on domestic law and order and foreign policy in the last two weeks.

Given that Sessions is his policy guy on immigration, I expect that I and many here will be satisfied with it.


Trump did state that he was the "law and order" candidate. Again, he's only putting out the big ideas; it's people like Sessions that have a handle on what needs to happen to get to at least the 80% solution. Like most regular people, some progress is always better than no progress.

Anonymous MAGA August 25, 2016 10:42 AM  

"That's what you do. You get new evidence and adjust accordingly. I was obviously wrong about it being a joke and I was obviously wrong about him working as a spoiler for Jeb."

Now see, that wasn't so hard was it?

It's simply incredible that you and Josh have resorted to gasping and finger pointing every word that Trump speaks lately. He's got to win the election first and then we'll see if he's a yankee liar or a serious change agent.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown August 25, 2016 10:44 AM  

@80 "He said they could stay if they paid back taxes."

It's not that cut and dry.

Trump responded, “No citizenship. Let me go a step further, they’ll pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes, there’s no amnesty as such. There’s no amnesty. But we work with them. Now, okay, but when I look at the rooms, and I have this all over, now everybody agrees we get the bad ones out, but when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I’ve had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they’ve said, Mr. Trump, I love you, but to take a person that’s been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out, it’s so tough, Mr. Trump. I mean, I’ve — I have it all the time. It’s a very, very hard thing.”

Trump then polled the audience again, when asked what was in his gut, Trump stated that asking the audience was “like a poll.” And “We are going to come out with a decision very soon.”


FFS, he hasn't even officially offered up a new position. He's thinking over one aspect. Calling it "flip-flopping" or "cucking" is disingenuous.

Blogger Mountain Man August 25, 2016 10:47 AM  

"I would have rather seen Cruz than Trump. But that's like saying I would rather have seen McCain than Obama.

I don't like any of them enough to vote for them. For most of the primary my main complaint about Trump was that he is a yankee.. and therefore a liar."

...But an oily Canadian-Cuban is so much better. Is that because of the Magic -Dirt of Texas?

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 25, 2016 10:47 AM  

Trump's idea of a concession to the anti-racists is indulging Omarosa because she has a nice rack.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:48 AM  

"It's simply incredible that you and Josh have resorted to gasping and finger pointing every word that Trump speaks lately"

I'm gonna need you to back this assertion up. I think you have a vivid imagination... or a really odd definition of "lately".

But hey maybe I'm forgetting a whole bunch of comments I've made.

Lets see some.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:49 AM  

"...But an oily Canadian-Cuban is so much better. Is that because of the Magic -Dirt of Texas? "

No. generally I like Candians a lot better than yankees.

Blogger Mountain Man August 25, 2016 10:49 AM  

@95
Great synopsis!

Blogger VFM #0168 August 25, 2016 10:50 AM  

It seems to me that the waffling is cucking but at the same time it's playing to the middle. Is this simply a persuasion technique to get people on board before moving back towards the right on the subject? Is this an attempt at "pre-suasion" as Scott Adams on the Stefan Molyneux channel where he is setting up more voters to be persuaded? I don't think anyone can say at this point. I think it's hard to suggest that he's making a major policy change after being fairly consistent for over a year and that it represents complete cucking on immigration.

The other thing that I think just about everyone forgets is that the right has to continue to think long term. It took years for BREXIT to happen. It's been one year of real opposition from one candidate to get the subject of immigration boiling. Republicans/conservatives were always talking tough but never had an intention to do anything about it- just like everything else. The long term strategy has to build on Trump whether or not he cucks on the subject. If he does, it will make the next candidate who says it even more formidable because the anger will continue to rise. The Left has always had a 100 year strategy to get what they want and they slowly implemented everything they wanted before running out of ideas and going to transwhateverism. The alt-right has to keep that in mind- 25-100 years. As A German said, Trump's the first step not the end game. He isn't the guy who will get it all done but needs to start the path or else, as VD shows, the conflict will come.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 10:50 AM  

He's got to win the election first and then we'll see if he's a yankee liar or a serious change agent.

We have to pass the bill to see what's in it?

Anonymous BGKB August 25, 2016 10:50 AM  

My view is he is going from a GOD EMPOROR chasing brown people out of the US on his hover throne, to "Sorry these are the laws on the books and we have to enforce them just like I had to obey every zoning law". The law written by other people says "You gots to gooooo"

(((josh))) took too much pleasure in the false transcript, he could at least have pretended it was bad news for the nation.

I imagine that few people here viewed Donald Trump as some sort of panacea for all that ails the United States.

His offering to audit the FED, could cause a civilization collapse.

Nigel Farage saying "well, there is some good about the EU, so we don't have to completely leave."

He actually said there is good in Europe and we can make our own separate deals in our own interests, you must have the same news feed as josh.

He is now saying non-criminals can stay but would have to pay back taxes.

They are already ripping US off fraudulently on child tax credits, they can collect more than many EMTs earn in a year after taxes for the maximum child tax credit payout.

What he says in the video is actually worse than how many in the media are portraying it.

You must have drank some bad moonshine if you think the press protects TRUMP

Trump sure has a current streak of picking real losers to run his campaign.

Other than Sen Session and Jesse Ventura, can you name someone with political experience he could pick up that is not converged?

OT: Translation so many were illegals we just decided it wouldn't be worth the bad PR
https://gma.yahoo.com/orlando-hospitals-wont-bill-pulse-nightclub-massacre-victims-074146723--abc-news-topstories.html

Anonymous Steve August 25, 2016 10:50 AM  

Its way to awesome to be true.

I'm 100% convinced it is true. Not joking in the slightest. Ted Cruz is a shagger, I can see it in his eyes.

He's the kind of guy who might not get supermodels, but has no problem getting it on with ordinary women. He's confident and high status enough to get plenty of nookie.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown August 25, 2016 10:51 AM  

@81 "VD now has literal Josh/Nate containment threads."

This one's on me. Somebody (can't remember who) posted about Trump cucking on immigration in the (((Ben Shapiro))) thread. I asked for proof. Here we are.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:51 AM  

and there is no "so much better". Again... think of the Cowboys fan analogy. Cowboys fans hate the eagles slight less than they hate the hate the redskins.

That doesn't mean the eagles are SO MUCH BETTER than the redskins.

They are just varying degrees of hate/dislike.

Blogger Whisker biscuit August 25, 2016 10:51 AM  

The Trump Wall sounds great, but there's no way in Hell it could get built. None.

Libs are professional protestors. Soros would open the war chest to his minions to agitate, human shield, and disrupt the construction of any wall.

But of course, a Trump presidency means at least4 years of big business for protestors and rabble rousers; heck, I bet Green Day, The Dixie Chicks, and Rage Against the Machine all hit the studio and the road to profit--if they haven't already.

Even Pizza the Hut himself, Michael Moore, will churn out some visual poop stains to pay for his kids private education.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown August 25, 2016 10:52 AM  

@82 "What we're doing is hitting Trump for weakening a position we don't want to see weakened."

Fair enough. The normie media dogpiling really rustled my jimmies.

Blogger Timmy3 August 25, 2016 10:53 AM  

We won't know until he's elected. I also don't know if he's sarcastic. Ann Coulter is now saying don't trust Trump. How the tide turns.

Blogger Stilicho August 25, 2016 10:53 AM  

I read the transcript. Trump said nothing new. He expressed sympathy for some illegals ("the good ones") and repeatedly punctuated his statements with an assertion that our laws must be enforced.

He's still far better than the open borders types like Jeb, Rubio, or Paul and also better than cruz who wants to massively increase legal immigration.

Blogger VFM #0168 August 25, 2016 10:54 AM  

Nate wrote:"I think it was true though.

Ted Cruz is a shagger."

oh come on.. there is no way that was true.

Its way to awesome to be true.


Where is the "Like" button for this?

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 10:59 AM  

'The Trump Wall sounds great, but there's no way in Hell it could get built. None.'

Now see...

y'all say I'm being negative.

The Wall is the sum total of his presidency. If he wins and doesn't build the wall... no matter what else he does... its a failure.

If he builds the wall... no matter what else he does or doesn't do... its a success.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 11:00 AM  

" He expressed sympathy for some illegals ("the good ones") and repeatedly punctuated his statements with an assertion that our laws must be enforced. "

I know you're a lawyer and all.. but your reading comprehension must be really really bad.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 11:00 AM  

" The normie media dogpiling really rustled my jimmies. "

its not just them. Ann is really pissed.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 11:02 AM  

and if history is any indicator... pissing off Ann is a good way to piss off Vox.

He doesn't white knight for Ann... but let say he... reliably takes positions that align with Ann's. Which I explain by assuming he has mild necrophalic tendencies.

Anonymous Viidad August 25, 2016 11:04 AM  

I left the Trump train when he supported Paul Ryan.

It's over. Ryan is a traitor.

I had hope for Trump but I am now returning to my previous position of we're always and forever screwed.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown August 25, 2016 11:04 AM  

"its not just them. Ann is really pissed"

Ann Coulter ✔ @AnnCoulter
Trump: "they have to pay taxes, there's no amnesty"
[Pro Tip: "Back taxes" means we pay illegals $30k apiece in EITC.}


Well played, Ann Coulter.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2016 11:04 AM  

It's good that someone's angry. I've personally seen this stuff so many times - often daily - that I don't have any emotions left for this one. I'll just wait and see, and it'll go away, like they always do. But props to those who can work out some anger.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 11:09 AM  

'[Pro Tip: "Back taxes" means we pay illegals $30k apiece in EITC.}'

oh fuck me.

That's brutal.

Blogger Alexander August 25, 2016 11:10 AM  

and if history is any indicator... pissing off Ann is a good way to piss off Vox.

He doesn't white knight for Ann... but let say he... reliably takes positions that align with Ann's.


This is Yuge

Anonymous WLWheeler August 25, 2016 11:11 AM  

I was a strong Trump supporter from the very very beginning when he said Deportation! Now--- He is waffling!

I'm sick to my stomach! And of course Karl Rove is gleeful.

No deportation -- No vote from me! There is probably 15 million illegals in this country. I want them all gone. We need Operation Wetback II. All of it.

Rescind the 1965 Immigration Act and start deporting the Pakis, the Bangledeshis, the Burmese, the Nigerians, the Kenyans and of course the Somalians. What they hell are these people doing here?

Progressives are sickos.

Anonymous Be Not Afraid August 25, 2016 11:12 AM  

With the current state of things, there'd not be enough people in support of mass deportation of ALL illegals to make it happen. But Trump does deals. So you ask for something you KNOW you're NOT going to get, and end up with something useful.

These steps would be useful:
1) Build the damned wall, with moats and crocodiles and sharks and rottweiler-poodle-cyborg hybrids with laser beam eyes, or whatever it takes. Police the wall and close the border to illegal entry. Arrest or drone people who cross the wall.
2) You're going to need some kind of paperwork for illegals who are here and are found, some sort of biometric registration so we can keep track of them. They lie about their names and where they're from, so collecting names and birthplaces isn't any use at all. Want your kids to go to public school? Register them.
3) Deport any illegal committing a crime of a certain severity (jaywalking is probably below the threshold); register the ones committing very minor crimes.
4) Rigorously enforce the employer/employee verification requirements. No work for unregistered illegals.
5) No welfare, period. No social security, food stamps, section 8 housing, none of it. Support yourselves and your families, or we'll pay for a bus ride home.
6) Deal somehow with the medical care problem (yes, we have to do this, or we'll get pictures of women having babies in ditches and get blamed for them not being in their own countries). No registration, no health care.
7) Expel people found here with expired visas
8) For illegals who register, they can stay but never, EVER become citizens and never, EVER vote. And if they can't prove their kids were born here, their kids are not considered citizens (got a birth certificate for little Miguel or Mohammed? No? Oh, too bad...)

You put all this in place, and massive numbers are going to self-deport, and we'll save a fortune from greatly reduced benefits.

Downstream, once the Overton window is shifted, look at birthright citizenship and English-only.

It took 50 years for it to get this bad; you can't fix it overnight.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 11:13 AM  

"I left the Trump train when he supported Paul Ryan.

It's over. Ryan is a traitor. "

yeah... that was tough to watch. I mostly looked away tried to pretend that wasn't happening.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 11:16 AM  

I had hope for Trump but I am now returning to my previous position of we're always and forever screwed.

To quote the Mogambo Guru,

WE'RE FREAKING DOOMED!

Anonymous patrick kelly August 25, 2016 11:19 AM  

"reiterated the need to kick out criminals and so on post haste."

If he just aggressively pursued this it would be significantly different and a great improvement over O'Billery....

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 11:27 AM  

"To quote the Mogambo Guru"

oh man... I miss Mogambo..

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 25, 2016 11:31 AM  

Trump has a history of working with the Mafia.

Be the bigger Mob.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 25, 2016 11:33 AM  

Josh, are you a trans-Cruz supporter? I am pretty sure he sucked more cocks than I have since the (((news)))) came out last night.

He said they could stay if they paid back taxes.

20 years of back taxes sounds like a lot, but people on the bottom can get more back than they pay in taxes. They might be getting wads of cash instead of paying. EITC is more than many EMTs earn in a year.

I don't remember the Democrats losing their shit when Obama didn't or claimed to not support gay marriage because anyone with a fraction of gray matter knew he was fibbing.

When showed the video of him telling black clergy that gays just said how stupid Christians are.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 11:51 AM  

I am pretty sure he sucked more cocks than I have since the (((news)))) came out last night.

The syphilis must have spread to your brain

Anonymous User August 25, 2016 11:52 AM  

It took the left three generations to dig this hole. The candidate that Nate/Josh seem to wish for does not exist. So either vote for the one that does exist and gets us solidly moving in the right direction, or keep losing.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 11:57 AM  

The candidate that Nate/Josh seem to wish for does not exist.

Seem...

Anonymous User August 25, 2016 12:06 PM  

Good try, but it lacks the walk-back criterion.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 25, 2016 12:10 PM  

If his people don't rein him in on this, then regardless of whether he wins or Hillary wins Texas goes blue in 2020. Then white people wake up earlier rather than later. Personally, I think that's preferable. However I expect the analysts who got Trump this far will tell him he fucked up and he needs to apologize and go hard on immigration.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 12:13 PM  

"If his people don't rein him in on this, then regardless of whether he wins or Hillary wins Texas goes blue in 2020."

The sky is not falling chicken little. the reports of 2020 being the end of the world are greatly exaggerated.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 12:16 PM  

" The candidate that Nate/Josh seem to wish for does not exist. "

how can you people not know Josh is The Biggest Rand Paul Fan Boy Ever?

Rand ran a shitty campaign and was out early.. and Josh has had the butthurts over it ever since.

The candidate I want does not exist.

That is very much true. That's been true for 30 years... that's why I helped start a freaking political party.

Blogger Phelps August 25, 2016 12:17 PM  

@2 (yeah, yeah, I'm late to the party)

Does Trump really want to win if he has to put his business in a blind trust ? Even his family will be prevented from overseeing his business.

Trump doesn't really care about the money. His lifestyle won't change much if he just keeps the Obama White House budget, and guys at his level are really only using money to keep score. He has far, far more money than he could ever actually make use of personally, which is why so much gets reinvested.

It's like in The Art of the Deal. He didn't buy the giant yacht because he wanted a giant yacht. He just wanted to have a bigger yacht than the other guys -- and he knew that he could sell if off in a few years for a profit.

I think that the blind trust is just in place because it wouldn't be feasible to sell it all off and just hold the cash for a comeback. Let's face it, the guy is in his 70s, his quarter is almost up on the Galaga machine of business anyway.

Blogger VFM #7191 August 25, 2016 12:21 PM  

Nate is right. The success or failure of a Trump presidency all hinges on whether or not he builds the wall. Fortunately, out of all of Trump's proposals, getting the wall built is the promise he's most likely to deliver on.

Consider:

1. Trump has his entire reputation riding on the wall getting built and making Mexico pay for it. This has been the backbone of his campaign since last summer -- and everyone knows it. If we know anything about Trump, it's that he's a vain man. He'll build the wall just for his own ego's sake.

2. The legislation required for the wall is mostly already on the books. It just needs to be funded.

3. Trump's made his entire career out of building stuff. He's pretty good at it. If he can decorate the Manhattan skyline, he can sure as hell build a wall along the southern border.

I never expected Trump to follow through on mass deportations. It'd be great if he did it, but I don't see it happening. Too much bureaucracy, too much media propaganda, too much of a feminized culture. The country just doesn't have the stomach for mass deportations (not yet), so it's not going to happen, regardless of what Trump says or doesn't say or what Trump wants or doesn't want.

It's wall or bust. That's all we can reasonably count on at this point. Remember, Trump is only one part of a necessary nationalist re-awakening. He's a first step in this process, not the endgame.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 25, 2016 12:30 PM  

Nate wrote:"If his people don't rein him in on this, then regardless of whether he wins or Hillary wins Texas goes blue in 2020."

The sky is not falling chicken little. the reports of 2020 being the end of the world are greatly exaggerated.


Anchor babies grow up fast.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 25, 2016 12:33 PM  

Trump is a genius.

By saying he'll just deport the criminals and let the ones who actually just came here to become Americans stick around, he's forcing the media to make a case that they want criminals to stay.

The media will apply double-speak in this endeavor and fall into a trap. It could be asked "Why do you want more rapist and murderers running free in America?"

Not that it will change the media or even make an SJW think, but the "power of argument" is the greatest power of all and the actual end game. He's not walking it back to appease the left or the hispanic vote, he's make the left hang itself on it's own lies and double standards for all to see.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 25, 2016 12:50 PM  

So I just heard on Limbaugh that in that discussion at the town hall last night that Trump TURNED TO THE AUDIENCE AND ASKED WHAT HE SHOULD DO.

That's not even close to cucking on this issue. That's more like what SHOULD be happening EVERY DAY here.

Anonymous BluePony August 25, 2016 12:53 PM  

" If he keeps droning on about "paying taxes, learning to speak English," and the other Bush-like GOP platitudes about what will allow an illegal to stay here, I won't vote for him. I've already decided to stop donating."

Thus giving victory to the Borg Queen. Good plan, that quest for perfection over good enough.

This is still all art of the deal stuff. He opened with 10x the desired position and is not starting to negotiate.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 25, 2016 12:54 PM  

Gunnar von Cowtown wrote:
FFS, he hasn't even officially offered up a new position. He's thinking over one aspect. Calling it "flip-flopping" or "cucking" is disingenuous.


Ever heard of the Socratic method? He is trying to get people to reconsider deportation demands. He knows he can't just come out and flip on the issue so he is going to try and convince his supporters it was their idea by acting like he is just asking questions.

Trump's campaign has been infiltrated by GOP globalists and they are gradually shifting his positions.

Watch him on TPP. It wouldn't surprise me to see him start saying TPP is a bad deal for America, BUT it's not all bad. He would negotiate a similar but better deal. Etc. Etc.

Blogger Austin Ballast August 25, 2016 12:55 PM  

Josh seems like Ed Driscoll on Instapundit. Anything bad for Trump is good for him.

Nate has been milder, but the anti-Trump feelings are apparent. Predicting a Trump win is far different than not slamming the guy whenever possible. I suspect it is Nate's anti-Yankee feelings more than anything else.

I would probably be rejected by Nate due to being born in Ohio, in spite of moving to Texas (almost certainly for permanent) 2 decades ago.

It is part of the package.

No politician can save us, yet Trump is being saddled with that. He may push things the right way, but the train wreck will happen, whoever wins.

Blogger Markku August 25, 2016 12:59 PM  

Josh seems like Ed Driscoll on Instapundit. Anything bad for Trump is good for him.

Nate has been milder, but the anti-Trump feelings are apparent. Predicting a Trump win is far different than not slamming the guy whenever possible. I suspect it is Nate's anti-Yankee feelings more than anything else.


I agree with this assessment 100%. I even challenged Nate once on him not actually even wanting a Great America (meaning, The United States of America). He agreed. He wants it to break up, so that there can be a new Confederacy. So, from this perspective, I fully undestand how he isn't on the Trump Train.

Blogger Shimshon August 25, 2016 1:01 PM  

@132 I can understand why Trump endorsed Ryan (and it was pretty halfhearted as far as endorsements go). Ryan, by all accounts, was going to win. He's a cuck in a cucky state. As has been mentioned here. It hurt to hear it, but it was the sensible thing to do in his position. Trump's deal making in action.

Blogger Joshua_D August 25, 2016 1:09 PM  

User August 25, 2016 11:52 AM

The candidate that Nate/Josh seem to wish for does not exist.


No just the candidate.

Neither the candidate, nor the culture exists right now for that candidate.

Expecting Rand Paul to win the presidency of a nation that has givemedabts for every age group and everyone on the political spectrum is asking a bit much.

But ... I think the culture is changing, and if Trump has done anything, he's provided a voice for that cultural shift at the national level. That is a victory in itself.

And, that's why I'll still vote for him.

Blogger Nick S August 25, 2016 1:15 PM  

I don't know that Trump has change position at all, but he has certainly never fully articulated his precise position. He should have made clear from the beginning and still should that without infinite resources the immigration issue must be approached by prioritizing and allocating resources to deal with the most deleterious aspects first - border control and the criminal elements - then move up the chain to the teat suckers and so on.

It's the same way you approach eliminating financial debt. If it's impossible to do it all at once and it usually is, you start by focusing on what is costing you the most and returning the least then methodically move on the the next thing. Trump just needs to put it in terms people understand.

Blogger Mountain Man August 25, 2016 1:15 PM  

@156
Rand Paul is such a clown. Watching him pander to the blue haired SJW millennials under the auspices of standing up for civil liberties was totally pathetic and laughable.
That and his support for Mooslems to have a right to stay here in the US - under our doctrine of religious freedom.
It just shows how empty libertarian doctrine is when the stakes are so high. When orcs are running through your streets the last things any sane person does is argue and quibble over the finer points of constitutional law.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 25, 2016 1:30 PM  

@105 Gunnar von Cowtown

FFS, he hasn't even officially offered up a new position. He's thinking over one aspect. Calling it "flip-flopping" or "cucking" is disingenuous.
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That's the way I see it as well.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 25, 2016 1:37 PM  

@114 Steve

He's the kind of guy who might not get supermodels, but has no problem getting it on with ordinary women. He's confident and high status enough to get plenty of nookie.
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Don't forget the midgets in the closet

Blogger Were-Puppy August 25, 2016 1:44 PM  

@127 Gunnar von Cowtown
"its not just them. Ann is really pissed"

Ann Coulter ✔ @AnnCoulter
Trump: "they have to pay taxes, there's no amnesty"
[Pro Tip: "Back taxes" means we pay illegals $30k apiece in EITC.}

Well played, Ann Coulter.
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Wow, this is not good since she just came out with a book a couple days ago "In Trump We Trust"

Blogger Were-Puppy August 25, 2016 1:50 PM  

@131 WLWheeler

Rescind the 1965 Immigration Act and start deporting the Pakis, the Bangledeshis, the Burmese, the Nigerians, the Kenyans and of course the Somalians. What they hell are these people doing here?
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That one question says it all :
What they hell are these people doing here?

Blogger Were-Puppy August 25, 2016 1:53 PM  

@133 Nate
yeah... that was tough to watch. I mostly looked away tried to pretend that wasn't happening.
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I still try to pretend that didn't happen...
also John McCuck and Bitch McCuckle

CogDis *explode*

Blogger Were-Puppy August 25, 2016 1:58 PM  

@145 Nate
The candidate I want does not exist.

That is very much true. That's been true for 30 years... that's why I helped start a freaking political party.
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Please do tell, this sounds awesome

Blogger Bill August 25, 2016 2:05 PM  

I don't think he actually changed his position, I think he's just campaigning. Honestly, the wall won't matter. Forcible deporting wasn't ever going to happen. What matters is things like e-Verify, and other measures that prevent illegals from getting jobs with fake socials, ending birthright citizenship, and really changing H1B's. If we have even some of those, we won't need a wall, we won't need a fence, heck we won't even need ICE.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 2:05 PM  

"Please do tell, this sounds awesome"

Southern Party. If you google the Asheville Declaration you can see the manifesto that I helped write.

we didn't run national candidates for national office. We focused on local government... because our goal was secession. We got some guys elected... We had state parties in all the states of the CSA plus maryland. We had some mayors... several state representatives. It was going pretty well to be honest... but it ended the same way so many things end... it blew up over a personal pissing match.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 2:14 PM  

"I would probably be rejected by Nate due to being born in Ohio, in spite of moving to Texas (almost certainly for permanent) 2 decades ago."

we accept copperheads. All you have to say is "The South Was Right and I am fine with low taxes." and you can stay.

True story.

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 2:17 PM  

"Rand Paul is such a clown. Watching him pander to the blue haired SJW millennials under the auspices of standing up for civil liberties was totally pathetic and laughable."

you ain't kiddin'

Rand got some absolutely terrible advice... and he followed it. His campaign was dead the moment he fell all over himself to condemn the battle flag after the south carolina shooting.

I understand it. he thinks the "racist" label defeated his dad. But 2015 is not the same as 2012.

Blogger Double E August 25, 2016 2:20 PM  

if talking about people who have been here 15 to 20 years, making them pay back taxes to stay is pretty close to just saying they have to leave.

How many of these people could afford 20 years worth of back taxes?

Blogger Markku August 25, 2016 2:47 PM  

Copying my comment from another forum:

This is how I'd do it for the illegal grannies with citizen kids, and those who have been brought into the country illegally by their parents while they were underage, and currently are working with no evidence of any other criminal activity:

"Here's a payment plan for your back taxes and your fines. You pay the same taxes as US citizens, and on top of that, we take +50% that goes into paying what you owe. If you get it all paid, you get the status of a normal resident alien. If you cease being able to make the payments, and your relatives don't pay them for you, then we deport you immediately and you go to the back of the line in Visa applications.

And also, if you take this deal, but then commit a violent or otherwise significant crime (not minor traffic violation) we deport you immediately and write in your records that Visa must be forever denied."

Anonymous map August 25, 2016 3:00 PM  

Trump hasn't waffled. You have to hear and watch the video:

((See it 6:15)) http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/08/23/trump-we-want-to-follow-the-laws-but-there-are-great-people-in-country-illegally-and-there-can-be-a-softening-of-law/

Blogger Nate August 25, 2016 3:01 PM  

'How many of these people could afford 20 years worth of back taxes?'

you don't know much about how the income tax system actually works.

Ann Coulter is exactly right. We would end up given each of them 30K in Earn Income Tax Credits.

Poor people don't pay income tax in the US.

Anonymous Jonathan Archer August 25, 2016 3:11 PM  

Vox doesn't care whether Trump is cucking out or not? What's the deal? I thought Trump was the Great White Hope?

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 3:15 PM  

Trump hasn't waffled. You have to hear and watch the video:

That's the wrong video. 8/24 is the video of the trumpencuckening

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 25, 2016 3:34 PM  

The South wasn't right. The black chattel slavery plantation society was incompatible with economic progress.

The North had a superior system of slavery.

Blogger GFR August 25, 2016 3:38 PM  

Coulter still supports Trump:
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"In an interview earlier that same day with the Washington Examiner, Coulter, whose own stance on immigration inspired Trump's controversial views on it, said it's not worrying her."
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""It mostly worries me rhetorically ... I mean, what to do with the illegals already here was never really a big part of it," she said. "We're getting a wall. We're definitely getting a wall. That's the one thing we know about a Trump presidency.""

"She said Trump still offers more than any of the other Republicans had."

""I don't think it is a change in policy," she said of Trump. "The policy is anyone who's here illegally is here illegally, does not have the right to be here. We'll decide whether it's in our interest to let them stay or not. Perhaps it is in our interest to let some of them stay.""

Blogger Bill August 25, 2016 3:41 PM  

@Josh
Is this the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi0ak58ZIwE

Starting around 8:30 until about 11? He says; "No citizenship, no amnesty". When (10:00) he asks them to stand if they think illegals here for 20 years should stay, maybe 20% stood up? What's up with that? Polls are consistently higher than that, and it's a Hannity/Trump audience!

Blogger GFR August 25, 2016 4:03 PM  

@177 I think the problem may be that Trump isn't a politician - he says what he really thinks, WHEN he thinks it.
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He is GENUINELY conflicted about sending non-criminals who have been here twenty years back to Mexico.
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I don't care because THEY made the decision to break our laws - but he does care.
.
Hopefully he will figure out that showing ANY indecisiveness on this issue is going to upset his base A LOT - because we have all become accustomed to politicians lying to us.

Blogger American Spartan August 25, 2016 4:19 PM  

Whisker biscuit wrote:The Trump Wall sounds great, but there's no way in Hell it could get built. None.

Libs are professional protestors. (((((Soros))))) would open the war chest to his minions to agitate, human shield, and disrupt the construction of any wall.

But of course, a Trump presidency means at least4 years of big business for protestors and rabble rousers; heck, I bet Green Day, The Dixie Chicks, and Rage Against the Machine all hit the studio and the road to profit--if they haven't already.

Even Pizza the Hut himself, Michael Moore, will churn out some visual poop stains to pay for his kids private education.


National Guard will be used, you interfere in any way? Arrested on the spot. No debate, no deal making, just cuffs and maybe a head across the back of the head.

Blogger Josh August 25, 2016 4:50 PM  

Perhaps it is in our interest to let some of them stay.

Ann done cucked herself

Anonymous DT August 25, 2016 4:51 PM  

I wish Trump had never campaigned on sending every illegal immigrant home. Not because I disagree with the proposition. But because you have to win the presidency to do anything at all, and this doesn't sit well with too many Americans.

I've had the chance to speak at length with several millennials about the election. To a person they hate Hillary, but don't want to vote for Trump. To a person, the sticking point was immigration.

When I pressed them on it I found...to my surprise...that they don't have a problem with sending criminals back, or with a temporary moratorium on all immigration. They know the economy is bad. They know the infrastructure is failing. They know immigrants are competing for too few jobs and too few government dollars.

But they cannot tolerate the idea of sending someone back who is already here and who has not broken the law beyond coming here illegally. They see those people as underdogs seeking a better life. And they cannot bring themselves to support deporting a person who 'just wants a better life.'

Hindsight is of course 20/20, but I wish Trump had opened with, and focused like a laser on, the following:

* Immigrants who have a criminal record must be sent back immediately.

* Immigrants who are here illegally but who have otherwise obeyed the law and contributed to our society will have a path to legal status and citizenship.

* Many of our own people are struggling and in need of jobs. We have a generation, the millennials, who can't start their careers and lives even with the college degrees we promised would help them. Until the economy has fully recovered and we have full employment for both American citizens and the immigrants who are here, we must have a moratorium on all new immigration.

I believe this would have worked far better. This would have resonated with millennials, independents, and even cuckservatives. Heck, the way Trump can speak, he could have played the "we're a nation of immigrants, and I love that, but right now you need jobs" angle and won over a crowd of illegal immigrants.

And it would not have left him wide open to attacks of the Khan variety. The left would have still tried, but he could have easily batted them away. As it stands Khan's DNC speech was a laser guided missile straight into Trump's front door. Trump did not respond effectively*, and it left millennials and independents convinced that 'Trump is a big meanie.'

If he pivots to this now it's not nearly as effective. It might help or it might hurt. But if he had started with this I bet he would be in the lead right now.

* Why, why, WHY didn't Trump respond to Khan with this: "Khan's son is a hero, no doubt. But I have one question for Khan: does he think that the radical Muslims who murdered his son should be allowed into America? Because under a Clinton presidency they won't have to sneak across the border. They will be able to openly discuss jihad on Facebook and still get visas to murder Americans...Muslim-Americans included...just like Tashfeen Malik."

It would have been the equivalent of this.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 25, 2016 5:32 PM  

Remain calm, kiddos. This is all part of the rolling game of election season. The highs, the lows, the blargh. This too, shall pass.

Anonymous johnc August 25, 2016 5:44 PM  

Does building a wall really matter if it's going to have a big, wide, open door in it to allow people to come in legally? Other than filtering out some drugs and maybe terrorists, does it really serve a point?

Are people here really upset that these Mexicans came in "illegally" or upset that they came in at all? Would it make you feel any better if they all got little green cards as they crossed the border so that they were here legally?

How many millions does Trump propose can pass through the big door in his wall every year?

Anonymous Andros August 25, 2016 5:45 PM  

Either Trump backs down from "deporting" all illegals to have a shot at winning, or he loses. It's that simple. I LOL at the guys saying they won't vote for him. Enjoy your Hillary :)

Anonymous SciVo August 25, 2016 6:43 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:We're still IN the antebellum period. Stocks are hitting new All Time Highs. Bond prices are equally stratospheric. Top line prosperity is "Flashing Green." Sounding like the S is about to HTF is a certain loser in politics in this environment.

Yeah. Get personal production capacity. Family farm, cottage industry, whatever. Maybe even get enough solar panels to run your machines. Eff the map, get terrain.

Blogger GFR August 25, 2016 7:18 PM  

@184

He won't back down and he won't lose.

Blogger genbktrug August 25, 2016 7:46 PM  

He's moving to center, but can still embrace the spirit of "Primary Trump" to keep the base while appealing to the center through common sense. Suggested platform that expands on @132:

1. An illegal alien must prove they have been in country for >=10 years to be eligible to become a "Registered Former Illegal Alien" (RFIA).
2. A one time, one year period for all current illegals (including US born children) to register as RFIAs.
3. Crimes that trigger mandatory deportation of a RFIA - all felonies, violent misdemeanors, misdemeanor domestic violence, driving under the influence, failure to pay child support.
4. The loss of ALL federal funding (student loans, highway funds, fed welfare) for 10 years for any jurisdiction (e.g. state, county, city, etc.) that willfully offers any benefits to illegal aliens, or fails to immediately notify and cooperate with federal authorities whenever they come in contact with an illegal.
4. Any health care provided is considered a loan. Repayment is a mandatory 20% withholding of their pay via court order (a la child support). Failure to pay is a deportable offense.
5. Any unregistered illegal who is subsequently deported and is again found in country = 5 years mandatory prison sentence. 2nd offence = 10, etc.
6. "Path to citizenship" for a RFIA is return to birth nation, application with "extreme vetting", and one year of monthly visits to that country's US embassy before paperwork is processed the same as any other citizen of that country applying for permanent US residency. Once in US, 10 year of lawful residency (green card holder) before can start citizenship process.

Anonymous andon August 25, 2016 7:48 PM  

But they cannot tolerate the idea of sending someone back who is already here and who has not broken the law beyond coming here illegally. They see those people as underdogs seeking a better life. And they cannot bring themselves to support deporting a person who 'just wants a better life.'

I don't know anyone like this

Anonymous DT August 25, 2016 8:43 PM  

@188 - Do you know any millennials? Or cuckservatives? I've heard the same from both types.

My surprise is that the millennials (well...the admittedly very small sample I know) are wide open to sending anyone with a criminal back, and to a temporary immigration moratorium. In that respect they are better than the cuckservatives I know.

Anonymous Avalanche August 25, 2016 11:29 PM  

@54 "regulations that must be adhered to in order to become permanent citizen"

We don't NEED any more citizens! None, not one! We're all full-up!

Blogger mgh August 26, 2016 7:40 AM  

As long as Jeff Sessions stands by him, we are ok on immigration.

Blogger Marty Johnson August 26, 2016 8:32 AM  

Nothing is as pathetic as beta schlubs trying to convince themselves that the most "alpha" man in the world did not con them. He is a liberal New York con man just as I've been saying for months. Yeah, I can see the appeal. I can also see through it. Smile gentlemen, you've fallen for the "Hope and Change" ruse that the libbies fell for 8 years ago.

Anonymous FAILBOAT August 26, 2016 9:48 AM  

I've said for months that trump was pumping the alt right for the primary and would dump in the general.

This is a classic pump and dump, he never had clear ideals, and has betrayed every 'common man's who has ever trusted him, whether they were trump u students, contractors at his casino, or primary voters.

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