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Monday, August 15, 2016

Discredit. Disqualify. Deplatform.

It's interesting to see how cuckservatives and conservatives are rapidly adopting SJW tactics too. Unfortunately, like the good moderates they are, they've adopted them in order to utilize them against those whose side they claim to be. This little rant from Patrick Frey, who is attempting to convince Tom Woods to stop interacting with me, is a good example:
Patrick Frey [Original post 8/15/2016]
I know little about Vox Day, other than that he told my friend Ken White, a great man and free speech warrior who has also written courageously about his struggles with mental illness, to "get off the Internet for [his] own good" because "no place for the depressed, the bipolar, or the schizophrenic." I know VD loves to beat his chest about how "ruthless" he is ("We won't hesitate to strike at your vulnerabilities" is an actual quote -- ooh! he's going to unleash the dreaded Internet Attack on his enemies!) And now, VD is explaining how American nationalism is really White nationalism:

I guess I'll listen to Tom's conversations with him, in which (so far) he manages to come across less like the rank jackass he has always been in his interactions with Ken White. But I'd really rather see Tom, whom I admire greatly, spending less time interacting with a guy who has acted like such a cretin online.

To be clear: I'm obviously not trying to tell Tom how to run his show. If he wants to give a platform to the likes of VD or Milo, that's obviously his choice. I hope I can express my extreme dislike of these people forthrightly without it seeming like an attack on Tom -- who, again, has added much of value to my life.

Seriously, though -- just read through this blog post by Vox Day attacking my friend Ken White, and see if you can refrain from laughing at the way VD sells himself as Big Bad Tough Guy Vox Day. It really is tough to take this guy seriously.
Let me see if I have this straight. It is really tough to take me seriously, therefore it is imperative for Tom Woods to stop taking me talking to me lest he acquire unserious cooties or something. The threat of striking at one's vulnerabilities is something to laugh at, but simply observing that a mentally unstable individual is, in fact, mentally unstable and is behaving in a manner indicative of mental instability, is an outrage to be decried.

Does he really think that Tom Woods, of all people, is liable to fall for this sort of nonsense?

Look, it's not my fault that Ken White is mentally unstable. Nor is it my fault that, as a consequence of his being crazy, Ken White has repeatedly chosen to take unprovoked shots at me. It's not as if I'm outing the poor guy as a whack job; if White hadn't a) written about being institutionalized, and, b) taken unprovoked shots at Roosh, I wouldn't know anything about it.

It's not as if I read him or pay any attention to White. He may be back in the funny farm already for all I know.

What I do know is that I have absolutely no time for suggestions concerning with whom I should, or should not, associate myself. I've noticed that the bigger one's platform becomes, the more people will try to hijack it and offer unsolicited guidance. I've had people try to talk me into disavowing Roosh, Louise Mensch, and more recently, Ricky Vaughan. But no matter who they are, my answer is always the same: no.

I pay no heed to thought police, speech police, tone police, or relationship police. Anyhow, I suspect Tom will be less than concerned about Patrick's demands:
Tom Woods ‏@ThomasEWoods
Social Justice Warriors: who they are, and how to deal with them -- my conversation with @VoxDay

Ty & Aliyah ‏@StopDividingUs7
And of course, typical supremacist making you pay to listen / view.

Tom Woods ‏@ThomasEWoods
Typical genius unable to press PLAY on a free podcast.

Ty & Aliyah ‏@StopDividingUs7
No, it requires viewers to download a bunch of your crap first. That is a heavy price to pay.

Tom Woods ‏@ThomasEWoods
No, it doesn't. You are seriously inept. You just press the play button.
I'll admit it. I laughed.

UPDATE: Patrick Frey is doing his best to create a wedge:
VD also says Tom Woods is "considerably less serious as an economist than I had imagined him to be" ... again, watching a sort of middling intellect deem himself to be smarter than Woods and Sowell is amusing. 
"Didja hear what Janey said about you, Tina? Didja hear?"

I don't know how to break it to Mr. Frey, but based on my interactions with Mr. Sowell, I'm at least a standard deviation more intelligent than him. Tom Woods is quite sharp, and I have a lot of respect for him, but nevertheless, he's not up to speed on free trade yet. There is no shame or insult in that; Ian Fletcher certainly got there before I did.

I have no doubt that Tom Woods will eventually as well.

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62 Comments:

Blogger The Gray Man August 15, 2016 3:07 PM  

Tom Woods is a great guy regardless of where he stands on Trump, free trade, etc.

Because people who are good people will ultimately find the truth if they're being intellectually honest, too.

Blogger Bard August 15, 2016 3:17 PM  

I know little about vox day but that is not important right now. Sounds like a line from the movie Airplane.

Blogger Bard August 15, 2016 3:18 PM  

I know little about vox day but that is not important right now. Sounds like a line from the movie Airplane.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 15, 2016 3:19 PM  

@1 This is true. Heck, last week even Gary North said that a reduction in tariff wasn't worth sacrificing national sovereignty for.

Blogger CM August 15, 2016 3:20 PM  

"no place for the depressed, the bipolar, or the schizophrenic."

It really isn't and any therapist worth his salt would encourage people with those mental disabilities to limit their time spent on this medium.

Even healthy people who spend too much time on the internet can develop issues.

Go outside, play, spend time with real people.

Blogger Happy Housewife August 15, 2016 3:25 PM  

Ah, yes. The old scold and wag your finger routine. Beloved by moms and cucks everywhere.

Blogger Josh August 15, 2016 3:30 PM  

Tom Woods is awesome

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2016 3:35 PM  

Because hectoring people is so persuasive.....

Anonymous WinstonWebb August 15, 2016 3:36 PM  

JoshAugust 15, 2016 3:30 PM
Tom Woods is awesome


Please cite your source and provide no less than 3 (three) independent references.

Dialectic demands this.

Blogger Noah B August 15, 2016 3:37 PM  

"Dialectic demands this."

Source pls

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 15, 2016 3:41 PM  

Gas-lighting does not work...

What the heck?! Tom Woods is a wonderful ally I've read and heard his talks on youtube/LRC - Both Tom and Vox are honorable. I really wish Woods to Day to Stefan to Mike would do a skype on the dialectic versus rhetoric, this would help so many people.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsgWR55UyAiFarZYl1u1l9Q He along with others have helped me understand econ and also sent his work or talks to others.

SJW and null-sensers want to deceive, distort and detract, we have no time for that! Tom Woods, Vox and others are fantastic truth tellers and sure the truth is painful to hear but reality is tough too. Let us all or let me side with reality.

Also, Twitter again proves to glean grand content for everyone, carry on gentlemen.

Blogger Verne August 15, 2016 3:42 PM  

You gave good advice. If you have serious mental issues, you do not belong on the internet getting in flame wars with trolls and other sorted yankers of chains. Arguing on the internet makes some folks obsessive and if you already have a problem, do not do it.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 15, 2016 3:46 PM  

Verne wrote:You gave good advice. If you have serious mental issues, you do not belong on the internet getting in flame wars with trolls and other sorted yankers of chains. Arguing on the internet makes some folks obsessive and if you already have a problem, do not do it.

Most normal people should refrain from engaging in flame wars and other Internet debates because they go nowhere, they distract you from what is important, and if you aren't having fun, there's really no point.

Blogger Noah B August 15, 2016 3:47 PM  

Ken blocked me, I assume, for disagreeing with him. Hypersensitivity and/or mental illness don't play well with the online hordes who are willing to ruthlessly exploit any weakness they find.

Anonymous Michael Maier August 15, 2016 3:56 PM  

This Fey (sic) guy is a real arse.

Vox, your empathy shows at times in ways even surprising to me. You might be the premier AWCA but you show mercy towards those that need it in ways I've rarely seen online.

I get stressed dealing with idiots on Twitter, wondering how they can possibly be so massively ignorant (while posing as 100% knowledgeable!?!) and/or lying their arses off.

It saddens me to imagine the brain-hurt of someone on meds or having trouble with reality engaging with almost any internet moron, let alone someone like that trying to spar with Vox.

They're probably reduced to gibbering on a regular basis.

Blogger Phelps August 15, 2016 4:07 PM  

I've always seen Frey as an enemy-of-my-enemy at best. Frankly, there's no way that someone can both being a prosecutor in LA AND be an ethical person. The two are mutually exclusive.

So, he takes the state's coin, eats the state's salt, and carries the state's spear, but I'm supposed to think he's on my side?

Blogger Chiva August 15, 2016 4:11 PM  

"I guess I'll listen to Tom's conversations with him, in which (so far) he manages to come across less like the rank jackass he has always been in his interactions with Ken White."

Maybe it is not how VD interacts with Ken White, but how Ken White interacts with VD?

In interactions I have seen between VD and other people (only on the blog and some you-tube videos) I've noticed that VD is polite and direct unless the person he is corresponding with becomes combative.

Just an observation.

Blogger Rabbi B August 15, 2016 4:11 PM  

Just a bunch of hand-wringing, virtue-signaling, busy-bodies who don't how to leave well enough alone and mind their own business.

Anonymous SumDood August 15, 2016 4:13 PM  

A guy as combative and sarcastic as Ken White ought to know enough to take his fair ration of grief. And anyone who knows Ken should be honest enough to admit that he made his own decision to step into the ring of public discourse.

Blogger Orville August 15, 2016 4:15 PM  

Point and Shriek 101 is now being offered to freshmen at Oregon State.

As proposed, the course will aim to teach students that “systemic and local inequities exist and that we all play a role in creating an OSU community that resists and corrects injustice,” according to the university’s website. It will also explain “how to identify bias incidents and learn how to interrupt bias in in our daily lives.”

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Blogger Doom August 15, 2016 4:19 PM  

I swear, some of these people act like they are still in grade school. I hated that, never put up with it then, don't put up with it now. I honestly hope Mr. Woods told him where to put his candy-ass whining. If you can't handle playing with the big boys, then don't. But don't ask real big boys not to play where big boys play. Whiny little bitches. Punch him, Mr. Woods. You know you want it. Heck, it looks like he wants it and needs it. It wouldn't be rape-rape. [Plus, only a simple assault misdemeanor probably, pocket change and a wood.]

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 15, 2016 4:29 PM  

VD,

Do you believe it possible for a moderate to be an ally?

Blogger Erynne August 15, 2016 4:59 PM  

Anytime I'm a little down I remind myself I'm not a cuckservative or a SJW and I feel better.

Anonymous r August 15, 2016 5:00 PM  

I remember years ago when I was younger thinking Eric S. Raymond was "selling himself as Big Bad Tough Guy ESR" from reading his blog posts. God has a sense of humor, however, and I turned out to be an instance of the same high-IQ, low-BS-tolerance personality type that both Eric and Vox also have - I was just stupid and self-important as a kid.

Grade school is right. I'm a weird outlier bookworm, but so many of our men just miss out on mature manhood entirely because our civilization no longer has the systems and rituals to form it.

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep August 15, 2016 5:09 PM  

I know little about vox day but that is not important right now

"I haven't read the book, but here's what's wrong with it:"

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist August 15, 2016 5:11 PM  

But I'd really rather see Tom, whom I admire greatly, spending less time interacting with a guy who has acted like such a cretin online. ...To be clear: I'm obviously not trying to tell Tom how to run his show.

Obviously, indeed.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker August 15, 2016 5:12 PM  

Patrick who?

Anonymous Daniel H August 15, 2016 5:15 PM  

>>>no place for the depressed, the bipolar, or the schizophrenic.

This is actually good advice. I have been diagnosed as seriously depressed and I note that my depression correlates with time spent on the internet instead of spending that time doing something productive. Thanks for the prompt Vox

Blogger Lazarus August 15, 2016 5:17 PM  

Bard wrote:I know little about vox day but that is not important right now. Sounds like a line from the movie Airplane.

Looks like Patrick Frey chose the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Anonymous WinstonWebb August 15, 2016 5:22 PM  

Vox & Tom discussing Frey's "advice"

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Blogger J A Baker August 15, 2016 5:43 PM  

Speaking of platforms,I just recieved my copy of CTRL ALT REVOLT in the mail. The first thing I did when I took the book out of the box was turn it over. At the bottom right hand corner was the Castalia House logo. Very cool. I got a sense that I was holding a piece of publishing history in my hands.

Blogger Unknown August 15, 2016 6:00 PM  

@22
Read SJWs Always Lie, he answers your question there.

Anonymous Godfrey August 15, 2016 6:20 PM  

When have the cucks ever shown this much energy when battling the Left (e.g. Obamacare, the Ginsburg nomination, Planned Parenthood baby parts for cash, etc.)?

Answer: Never

And that says it all.

Blogger VD August 15, 2016 6:21 PM  

Do you believe it possible for a moderate to be an ally?

Not in the sense that I use the term. I think it's possible in the more general sense, although I would never rely on them.

Blogger VD August 15, 2016 6:23 PM  

An ally is someone I trust. I have allies private and public; people here only know the public ones. I don't worry about Roosh or Cerno turning on me. I know they won't wilt under pressure or break and run because someone called them names.

Anonymous Godfrey August 15, 2016 6:24 PM  

American politics is like professional wrestling. The Republicans are the pretend opposition. They play the part of the heel. It's all an act.

Now suddenly they have energy when it comes to keeping the people suppressed.

Anonymous Godfrey August 15, 2016 6:34 PM  

Say what you will about Vox, at least he's firing in the direction the enemy. It seems the cucks are always aiming in our direction.

Blogger SirHamster August 15, 2016 6:46 PM  

Godfrey wrote:Say what you will about Vox, at least he's firing in the direction the enemy. It seems the cucks are always aiming in our direction.

Evidentially, the moderates are our enemies.

Let them make their bed.

Anonymous Bz August 15, 2016 6:46 PM  

Parallel topic I just saw: Editing wikipedia and deteriorating mental health: https://backchannel.com/wikipedia-is-not-therapy-35fd87009d59#.tlay7gyy1

Anonymous Mister M August 15, 2016 6:58 PM  

It's been great listening to Tom let if fly recently. The conversations with VD and a few others, particularly about SJW and academia have unleashed the heretofore never imagined 'Dark Tom'. Molyneux pivoted rightward a while ago, and it was a natural flow. Woods suddenly has had it up to here with the academic idiocy. Good. People should be angry. Thaddeus Russell has both howitzers trained on the Loony Left Academia Brigade. Good to see the fleet re-arming.

Anonymous Godfrey August 15, 2016 7:00 PM  

The cucks have supported the continual bombing of brown people in the Middle East and Africa for the last quarter of a century. And after all the death, destruction and refugees somehow Vox is the racist?

Blogger Tom Kratman August 15, 2016 7:12 PM  

Which Pat Frey is that?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 15, 2016 7:38 PM  

It's bizarre how projection became the instinctive cold-reading technique for tearing someone else down. You'd think evolution would have stamped this out, given how common it is and how vulnerable it leaves you.

Blogger Robert What? August 15, 2016 8:18 PM  

When Ken White sticks to his forte, hard nosed legal analysis, he is often brilliant. I don't know why he insists on straying from that into social commentary.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2016 8:22 PM  

Robert What? wrote:When Ken White sticks to his forte, hard nosed legal analysis, he is often brilliant. I don't know why he insists on straying from that into social commentary.
Oakham's razor suggests stupidity, but the evidence sugests mental illness.

Blogger HonorLiving August 15, 2016 8:30 PM  

How much confidence do they actually have in their ability to choke people to death at a social level? There's a point at which you push enough people to the "bad neighborhood" of unacceptable opinion that it's gonna start to be a pretty big space.

There may even be some nice people there.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2016 8:33 PM  

If Patrick Frey is the Patrick of Popehat, remember he is an addict and emotionally unstable too. He switched from tobacco to vaping and is so addicted to it he can't stop and will block anyone on Twitter who suggests he should also stop using shills to try and justify his addiction.

Patrick blocked me to the surprise of Clark, with whom I interacted several times quite a long way back and who eventually left popehat because of all the blatant liberalism and idiocy.

Blogger VD August 15, 2016 8:51 PM  

No, it's Patterico.

JUNE 15, 2015 BY KEN WHITE

Long-time readers may recall that, together with Ron Coleman, I'm pro bono counsel to Patrick Frey, who blogs as Patterico.


What a lying little punk. He knows perfectly well who I am. He's even tweeted at me.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 15, 2016 9:30 PM  

See, I served with a Pat Frey who was a Marine for the Mayaguez fiasco, then a no shit horse-mounted dragoon in Grey's Scouts, Rhodesian Army, then honor grad from Ranger School, and a company commander in the Virginia Guard.

Blogger Quintus Maximus August 15, 2016 10:09 PM  

Patterico has long gone off the rails. I deleted him from my daily reads about a year ago. He's a full bore cuck. Sad too, because I used to REALLY respect him.

Blogger Mountain Man August 15, 2016 10:13 PM  

As a longtime reader of Lew Rockwell, Ive always really enjoyed Tom Woods articles. His insights on sound currency and the evils of fiat banking have helped to educate me.
Despite being hard core libertarians both Tom and Lew appear to really have a soft spot for Trump. Its heartening to see.
As the clouds on the horizon get darker those on the right - with sincere hearts - will be able to find common ground.

Blogger CM August 16, 2016 1:57 AM  

Not in the sense that I use the term. I think it's possible in the more general sense, although I would never rely on them.

I consider myself a moderate in that I'm unwilling to fight... but I'm a girl so I'm unclear how much of that is normal female security-seeking and self-preservation and how much of that is "liable to shoot you in the back."

I'm happy staying out of the way and I would play Rahab and hide you if necessary, but I'm not an effective fighter.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 16, 2016 2:16 AM  

I know little about vox day but that is not important right now. Sounds like a line from the movie Airplane.

With Frey playing the role of Elaine, re-inflating the Otto-pilot. (aaaand I've just derailed Big Gay Steve for the thread...)

Do you believe it possible for a moderate to be an ally?

I think there are two types of moderates. One type is just a liberal pretending to be a conservative either as a triangulation strategy, or else so they can play tone police. This type will never provide any real benefit to our side.

The other type is... someone who understands but doesn't accept. They understand how the world works, which is why they're not a liberal, but they don't want to accept the conclusions that come from that understanding, so they look for "moderate" positions trying to bridge the gap between what they know and what they want.

As realty beats them over the head, they will eventually do one of three things: finally accept the unpleasant truths and become a reluctant member of the alt-right, mentally snap and go politically insane, or give up, withdraw, and say to hell with everybody.

Anonymous SciVo August 16, 2016 2:44 AM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:It's bizarre how projection became the instinctive cold-reading technique for tearing someone else down. You'd think evolution would have stamped this out, given how common it is and how vulnerable it leaves you.

It doesn't get selected out because evolution already provided a generic social failure feedback learning process, and it flows through that. Social humiliation causes a dip in a man's testosterone, so over-aggressive projection creates a risk of temporarily depressed libido if someone uses social judo on him; but he can recover and have as many offspring as otherwise. So all it takes for projection to remain a sort of poor man's empathy is if it fulfills a useful function that way.

Blogger James August 16, 2016 11:30 AM  

The inability to perceive the truth about *free* trade is not related to raw intelligence but instead rather is more a function of having been previously brainwashed with the *free* trade BS. I my self am not only highly intelligent but also insightful and perceptive and an innately skeptical person capable of independent thought and it took me a while to fully realize what garbage *free* trade is. What helped me is more my inclination not to jump to conclusions and then cling to them and not as much my impressive intellect. Like Mark Twain said, It's easier to fool somebody in the first place than to convince them that they have been fooled. I believe all brainwashing and mind control is based on this phenomenon, that whoever gets to your brain firstest with the mostest will tend to be the boss of your brain.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 16, 2016 1:30 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:I think there are two types of moderates.

You're forgetting the worst kind, the equivocator. The moderate that sees two opposing points of view, assumes both are equally valid and advocates for a middle position.

Sorry moderate but there is no middle position between right and wrong, between good and evil.

Blogger Robert What? August 16, 2016 8:03 PM  

Sort of sad. Ken White's posts recently have been less of the legal analysis and more bizarre. I really don't care what his opinions of Vox are. I want his legal / Constitutional analysis of various current issues.

Anonymous SciVo August 16, 2016 10:39 PM  

James wrote:I believe all brainwashing and mind control is based on this phenomenon, that whoever gets to your brain firstest with the mostest will tend to be the boss of your brain.

Anchoring is just one cognitive bias among many. It's powerful -- Charlie Munger compared an idea penetrating your brain to a sperm penetrating an egg, hardening it against competitors -- but there are other powerful effects available. With a little cleverness, you can manage yourself using the same dials, switches, and levers that you could use to manipulate someone else.

Anonymous Darren August 17, 2016 2:42 PM  

"There is no shame or insult in that; Ian Fletcher certainly got there before I did."

Glad that I heard about Ian from Vox. A very smart guy (of course none of the major newspapers would ever want to talk to him, even though free trade has never been so prominent in a US presidential election, courtesy of Trump). The radio interview Vox did with him is interesting and recommend to any who have missed it (link is on the left of this website).
Here's another short interview with him thats quite good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWZkHozvDfM

Blogger pbuxton August 19, 2016 9:02 AM  

If corporate America pretty much has to make a profit by selling goods to Americans by Americans, this means that corporate America has an intrinsic interest in the productivity of Americans and in their ability to consume. Now, productivity plus consumption is prosperity, I mean, that's pretty much all it is, so if you have an economy that's set up that way then corporate America pretty much wants what the rest of us want, and for decades in this country, roughly from 1940 to 1975 there was an arrangement in this country where things were set up that way. It wasn't perfect, but there was, broadly speaking, a structural alignment between what was in the interests of big corporations in this country and what was in the interest of the average American. xWZkHozvDfM

No, I can't sign on to this. No "New, New Deal."

America is set up to systematically screw the worker because Congress (95% Democrat-controlled), "roughly from 1940 to 1975," took more and more money from workers and sold it back to older workers, collecting their votes "in kind." It was a neat grift, but you can't jack the rates anymore, and I cannot and will not endorse it. ("Employer-based" "health care": same grift, different sector.) We need to undo the damage and return Americans to a competitive position by unf--king the system.

Yes, protectionism has a few points. Defense plants must be built in the US. US agriculture subsidies should be paid out from the Department of Defense, since they protect us from dependence on foreign foodstuffs but D.C. loves denial, so the Ag Dept does it. A small tariff on goods entering the US is probably a good idea for tracking and to stabilize trade between nations.

(If your sleeve is being tugged by a Liber-tard mooing about dem ebul $21 bn in ag subsidies, remember $112 bn, 80% of DeptAg budget, goes to SNAP, the new name for food stamps.)

Vox, you're wrong; so is Fletcher. Yes, we need massive reform, but 85-90% of these wounds are self-inflicted. The GOP has failed all reform; they do not have the ruthlessness to win, or even set up a win.

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