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Tuesday, August 23, 2016

How PACs murdered the Tea Party

Keep the demise of the Tea Party in mind as the Alt-Right grows in popularity. Many, if not most, of these PACs are little more than scams with a political brand.
The Tea Party movement is pretty much dead now, but it didn’t die a natural death. It was murdered—and it was an inside job. In a half decade, the spontaneous uprising that shook official Washington degenerated into a form of pyramid scheme that transferred tens of millions of dollars from rural, poorer Southerners and Midwesterners to bicoastal political operatives.

What began as an organic, policy-driven grass-roots movement was drained of its vitality and resources by national political action committees that dunned the movement’s true believers endlessly for money to support its candidates and causes. The PACs used that money first to enrich themselves and their vendors and then deployed most of the rest to search for more “prospects.” In Tea Party world, that meant mostly older, technologically unsavvy people willing to divulge personal information through “petitions”—which only made them prey to further attempts to lighten their wallets for what they believed was a good cause. While the solicitations continue, the audience has greatly diminished because of a lack of policy results and changing political winds.

I was an employee at one of the firms that ran these operations. But nothing that follows is proprietary or gleaned directly from my employment. The evidence of the scheming is all there in the public record, available for anyone willing to look.... According to Federal Election Commission reports between 80 to 90 percent, and sometimes all the money these PACs get is swallowed in fees and poured into more prospecting. For example, conservative activist Larry Ward created Constitutional Rights PAC. He also runs Political Media, a communications firm. The New York Times reviewed Constitutional Rights’ filings and found: “Mr. Ward’s PAC spends every dollar it gets on consultants, mailings and fund-raising—making no donations to candidates.” Ward justified the arrangement by saying Political Media discounts solicitations on behalf of Constitutional Rights.

Let that sink in. Ward takes his PAC’s money and redistributes it to his company and other vendors for more messaging and solicitations, but suggests critics should rest easy since the PAC gets a discount on Political Media’s normal rate. Constitutional Rights PAC may be extreme but it’s hardly an outlier.

POLITICO last year reviewed the activity of 33 conservative PACs for the 2014 cycle. Combined, they raked in $43 million dollars, according to the POLITICO report. Of that, $39.5 million went to overhead including $6 million to entities owned by PAC operators; candidates got $3 million. Another report analyzed 17 conservative PACs from the 2014 midterm. It came up with different numbers than POLITICO, finding that the bottom 10 PACs in terms of the ratio of spending to actual candidate support received $54,318,498 and spent only $3,621,896 supporting candidates.
Don't even think about supporting any big-money Alt-Right PACs that come into being in the next 2-5 years. If the real Alt-Right figures want your support, we'll not only request it directly, but we'll do so for specific purposes and projects whose progress you can track for yourself. We don't play the "overhead" game.

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140 Comments:

Anonymous TS August 23, 2016 8:05 AM  

"A form of pyramid scheme that transferred tens of millions of dollars from rural, poorer Southerners and Midwesterners to bicoastal political operatives."

That always seems to happen.

Blogger Sagramore August 23, 2016 8:14 AM  

If MiloPAC supports free speech candidates, I would donate.

Anonymous WinstonWebb August 23, 2016 8:15 AM  

People are naturally lazy. Even when they see an idea/cause they believe in, they'll farr for (and finance) the first charlatan that offers to do the work for them.

Anonymous Mister M August 23, 2016 8:17 AM  

As soon as I saw Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck labeled "leaders of the Tea Party" in the MSM I knew it was over.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 8:18 AM  

GamerGate should be the model for the Alt-Right: no leaders and decentralized, small fundraising efforts. The Tea Party PACs are fairly representative of what happened as the "conservative movement" became a cash cow.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 8:20 AM  

a worthwhile warning. good find.

And as always we must keep our eyes open for those who would spot the train, and try to jump on the engine and claim to be the engineer.

Blogger James Dixon August 23, 2016 8:25 AM  

> What began as an organic, policy-driven grass-roots movement was drained of its vitality and resources by national political action committees that dunned the movement’s true believers endlessly for money to support its candidates and causes.

When Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich, and Dick Morris started calling me asking me for money to support "Tea Party" causes, I knew they had managed to coop the name. As I told the caller, Sean Hannity and Newt Gingrich are part of the problem, not part of the solution. I never gave them a penny.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2016 8:28 AM  

@ Winston, you're right, people want to see change but are too lazy to actually DO anything. The con artists prey on those looking for an easy path to Nirvana.

Sounds a lot like the people who think that the best way to obtain the world they want is to undertake the arduous path of emailing Vox with what HE should do.

Change will not come until the incentives are large enough that leeches cannot bleed off enough pressure to keep the rabble somnolent.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2016 8:32 AM  

I'll take a guess that spotting the cons and frauds will be fairly easy.

The alt-right rejects the Idiocracy but the cons and frauds will try and link the appeals to some bit of the Idiocracy thinking that the alt-right is just another loud mouth don't you dare cross this line failure theatre.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2016 8:33 AM  

Political stasis is maintained by giving what little rebellion exists a harmless way to vent (and the inveterate parasites whose profession is politics unsurprisingly found ways to enrich themselves directly in the process.)

This is why political conditions exhibit punctuated equilibrium.

I'd like to see some equilibrium-defending people punctured...or is that not a verb-adjective pair?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2016 8:36 AM  

@Mr Mantraman, I don't think so. As do all con artists, these will tell you exactly what you want to hear. Social engineering wasn't invented by hackers.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 23, 2016 8:38 AM  

You'll know they're con artists by two attributes:
1. They offer to make change easy.
2. They ask for money.

Real change is never ever on the store shelf just awaiting a paying customer.

Blogger residentMoron August 23, 2016 8:39 AM  

@10 dc.sunsets

This is directly related to a post from the last couple of days, about the shared sentiments and culture of the people being the only means of preserving the nation and the civilisation.

Only when people let it be unambiguously known that we will misbehave, and that misbehaviour will be dangerous, will the political class back down.

And we only do that when many of us have got nothing left to lose.

And then the equilibrium is punctured, punctuated, and past.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 23, 2016 8:41 AM  

And it's crap like this that makes me feel good about not donating any money to any of these groups. I'm better at wasting my own money, anyways.

Blogger Starbuck August 23, 2016 8:48 AM  

Is this about the same way that "occupy wall street" found its demise?

Personally I think Alt-Right has a real challenge ahead them in the next 2 to 5 years. The very same type of thing could happen. These undercover agents will move in and attempt to corrupt the new system that Alt-Right is trying to become. They start getting people to donate to it, then kill it and make money off of the political carnage.

Don't think it can't or won't happen? It will happen. Even if it stays decentralized. Some people will move in and operate as if they are the central part of it. The true people will protest and the media will shut them up by marginalizing them. People will listen to the agents and lose their money. They will feel despair and give up on Alt-Right.

I have seen this happen a lot and I am glad VD brought this up. This will be the biggest challenge because the Alt-Right has been successful without organizing.
If you really want to see Alt-Right continue, you will need to kill the central operations when it rears its head. But then that might cause it to fall apart as well.

This is a big challenge. I do hope Alt-Right pulls through it. I really do.

Anonymous Daedalus Mugged August 23, 2016 8:52 AM  

Given Vox's admonishment about not emailing him ideas and doing it ourselves, I hereby declare that I am the leader of gamergate, and establish The Alt-Right Victory fund, please send money to my paypal account at Investinhookersandblowthenwastetherest@gimmemoney.com

Donate today to save Western Civilization! Once the money starts pouring in, we can invest it in scaling the outreach to readers at such prestigious institutions as National Review!

Anonymous BGKB August 23, 2016 8:52 AM  

form of pyramid scheme that transferred tens of millions of dollars from rural, poorer Southerners and Midwesterners to bicoastal political

Isn't that how all money flows?

If MiloPAC supports free speech candidates, I would donate.


Faggots are complaining now that the $100,000 he got for his poor STR8 white man scholarship hasn't had the US tax fillings for it, but are not smart enough to know he is based out of the UK.


Speaking of murder A black show tunes faggot cant murder his boyfriend without gay news inserting TRUMP into the story. Consider that a trigger warning. http://www.towleroad.com/2016/08/marcus-bellamy/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2016 8:58 AM  

The establishment will have to try and split up the alt-right they cannot at this time take on white identity politics into the fold, too toxic and the ultimate taboo.

FTR most of the white nat personal politics is the politics of fail, decades of "niggerkikinspiccin" have yielded bupkus. It did help Milo get permabanned from Twitter which might in a way speed up a free speech alternative, there is that.

YouTube censored some gunner types and they went out and created Full30 which is better anyway.

Blogger CarpeOro August 23, 2016 9:00 AM  

The last campaign I gave a damn about (decades back in Michigan) I volunteered time. Not just because I was flat broke, but because you can never pay others to change the political climate for the better. The big money buys the politicians with more than most make in a year.

I knew that I was jousting with windmills (supported Libertarian Jon Coon against Republican Spence Abraham [neoCon bureaucrat] and one of the Levin [may as well have been Lenin] brothers), but at least I was underscoring my dislike for the bifactional ruling party.

Just wondering if Trump is going to retract enough of what he promised to lose this one.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 9:01 AM  

The enduring image of the tea party will always be old people in motorized scooters with signs reading "keep your government hands off my Medicare"

Blogger HonorLiving August 23, 2016 9:03 AM  

I remember back when the very earliest tea parties were inspired by Rick Santelli's rant on CNBC, how it started as a movement against corruption in the financial sector and the government's desire to cover up malfeasance and have the taxpayer foot the bill.

The first inkling I had that it was all going to shit was when it decided to pivot to oppose Obamacare. Obamacare? What does that have to do with the world of finance and the absence of prosecution of individuals involved in fraud and government officials who had perjured themselves?

You could already see how a movement without an ideological core can get coopted for all sort of purposes, since it doesn't have one to begin with. Your movement doesn't have to have leaders but it can't be "hollow". People have to know if they're being stirred in the wrong direction.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 9:08 AM  

Also from the linked article:

Every dollar swallowed up in PAC overhead or vendor fees was a dollar that did not go to federal Tea Party candidates in crucial primaries or general elections. This allowed the GOP to easily defeat or ignore them (with some rare exceptions). Second, the PACs drained money especially from local Tea Party groups, some of which were actively trying to grow the movement electorally from the ground up, at the school board and city council level. Lacking results five years on, interest in the movement waned—all that was left were the PACs and their lists.

It almost reads like a deliberate GOP effort to sabotage the Tea Party. If the Alt-Right can avoid the following, it won't meet the same fate:

1. No central leadership.
2. All fundraising being local, away from the D.C./Manhattan corridor, with little to no overhead.
3. No affiliation with the Republican Party.
4. No affiliation with True Conservatism, Inc.

Yes, that can lead to clunky campaigns but if they win who gives a shit? I look at the Trump campaign as a trial balloon and it has done pretty damned well.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 9:08 AM  

If MiloPAC supports free speech candidates, I would donate.

I would wait to see what happens with his scholarship fund first.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 9:11 AM  

Yes, that can lead to clunky campaigns but if they win who gives a shit? I look at the Trump campaign as a trial balloon and it has done pretty damned well.

The Trump campaign has invested a ton of money into building a fundraising operation, it's showing warning signs of drifting into the same sort of scam.

Blogger James Dixon August 23, 2016 9:17 AM  

> Isn't that how all money flows?

Not really. We own 50 shares of Consolidated Edison. Every 3 months the hard working citizens of New York send $33.50 of their overpriced electric utilities bills our way. :)

Blogger Jack Ward August 23, 2016 9:20 AM  

@5 Yes. #AltRight

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 9:21 AM  

The Trump campaign has invested a ton of money into building a fundraising operation, it's showing warning signs of drifting into the same sort of scam

I've followed it closely and donated (which I never do for this very reason). Thus far it has never used more than fifty percent toward overhead and until recently has rode herd on the GOP component. Agreed it has shown some early warning signs based on what I have seen, primarily the proliferation of ways to donate to the campaign. It's not a serious problem yet but bears watching. A primary concern I have is Trump's "modified" approach to illegal immigration--that indicates the GOP component putting strings on that part of the funding.

Blogger residentMoron August 23, 2016 9:22 AM  

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Anonymous genericviews August 23, 2016 9:22 AM  

Josh, I agree. I am on the Trump mailing list. Every announcement is sent out by a fundraising team and all ask for money. I find it simply absurd that I should be asked to give money to a billionaire so he can run for president on my dime. (goes double for Hillary).

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 9:22 AM  

Given Vox's admonishment about not emailing him ideas and doing it ourselves, I hereby declare that I am the leader of gamergate, and establish The Alt-Right Victory fund, please send money to my paypal account at Investinhookersandblowthenwastetherest@gimmemoney.com

This is a vicious lie, everyone knows that my AltRightPac is the only true organization that will fight for free speech and western civilization. Plz donate now.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 9:23 AM  

I find it simply absurd that I should be asked to give money to a billionaire so he can run for president on my dime. (goes double for Hillary).

WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN YOU DEFEATIST CUCK?

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 9:24 AM  

" I look at the Trump campaign as a trial balloon and it has done pretty damned well. "

sure. Absolutely. Billionaires self-funding the whole first year of a major primary campaign is totally a sustainable system.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 9:26 AM  

sure. Absolutely. Billionaires self-funding the whole first year of a major primary campaign is totally a sustainable system.

Step 1, create massive scam PAC
Step 2, become billionaire
Step 3, self fund campaign?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 9:27 AM  

sure. Absolutely. Billionaires self-funding the whole first year of a major primary campaign is totally a sustainable system.

The general has been sustained almost totally by small donors. That is sustainable.

Anonymous andon August 23, 2016 9:29 AM  

I thought it was the MSM constantly shouting RACIST RACIST RACIST (HOW DARE YOU OPPOSE THE FIRST NEGRO!!) that killed the Tea Party

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 9:31 AM  

1. No central leadership.
2. All fundraising being local, away from the D.C./Manhattan corridor, with little to no overhead.
3. No affiliation with the Republican Party.
4. No affiliation with True Conservatism, Inc.


These sound good superficially.. the problem is this

1) The Tea Party was decentralized. In fact there were at least 3 separate tea parties... the ron paul tea party, the anti-tarp tea party, and the anti-Obamacare tea party. All three went down.

2) a noble... and yet entirely unrealistic goal. The Trump campaign has already started the fundraising... and spin off PACs are being formed as we speak to syphon your money away.

3) and 4)... Look at what happened to Occupy Wallstreet. they weren't conservative and they weren't republican. Same thing happened to them.

The way to keep the Alt-Right from falling into this trap is to do what Vox is doing.

Vaccinate the rank and file.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 9:31 AM  

The way to keep the Alt-Right from falling into this trap is to do what Vox is doing.

Vaccinate the rank and file.


Why do you want to turn the alt right autistic?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 9:32 AM  

I thought it was the MSM constantly shouting RACIST RACIST RACIST (HOW DARE YOU OPPOSE THE FIRST NEGRO!!) that killed the Tea Party

Luegenpresse would like to claim credit, but the fundraising scams along with a totally inchoate message were the fatal flaws.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 9:32 AM  

"The general has been sustained almost totally by small donors. That is sustainable."

/facepalm

he wouldn't be in the general if he hadn't self funded the first 5 months of the primary.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 9:34 AM  

"I thought it was the MSM constantly shouting RACIST RACIST RACIST (HOW DARE YOU OPPOSE THE FIRST NEGRO!!) that killed the Tea Party"

I think that's somewhat over blown. Even in 2010 people were plenty used to being called racist. This isn't new. It wasn't new then. The people they were calling racist... like Ron Paul... didn't care.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 23, 2016 9:35 AM  

Sometimes I wish I was a psychopath. Then I would do all sorts of things like this and live the good life.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 9:36 AM  

@36

The three "main" groups were the centralization. At the local level, fundraising can be kept small and away from D.C. (what you wrote about Trump is happening). If the Alt-Right gets too close either to the GOP or True Conservatism, Inc., it dies.

The vaccinations should be locally administered.

Anonymous andon August 23, 2016 9:37 AM  

ok, the other thing I heard is that they were infiltrated at the higher levels by phonies

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 9:38 AM  

he wouldn't be in the general if he hadn't self funded the first 5 months of the primary.

The primary, yes. Bush or Rubio would be in the process of getting crushed, while funded by True Conservatism, Inc., and the GOP in the general.

Anonymous gxg August 23, 2016 9:44 AM  

I gave to Tea-Party orgs. That stopped when one of them started sending me requests for money to help stop the evil, horrible Donald Trump. I sent them a scathing response, removed myself from their mailing lists, and reported them as spam afterward.

I've donated to Donald Trump several times, and it is discouraging to see so many requests for money lately. I swear, I get one every couple of days.

A few months ago, his emails contained updates about his campaign. Now, it's one donation-request after another. I'm not naive. Obviously, he'll need money for advertising, etc. But with every fundraising email, he's starting to look more like a regular D.C. politician.

Still a yuuuuuge Trump supporter, btw. Just wishing he'd lay off the fundraising emails for a bit.

At this point, it's making me LESS inclined to donate, not more.

Blogger SteelPalm August 23, 2016 9:44 AM  

It's clear that the right-wing has been lacking on a tactical level in every respect.

And thus, blindly throwing money at their organizations is almost as bad as burning it.

I didn't realize, however, that it was as bad as only giving about 7% of the money to the candidates.

Blogger Anchorman August 23, 2016 9:45 AM  

I’m not convinced Rubio would be getting crushed by Hillary. I think he’d run Romney 2.0, but Hillary doesn’t have the favorability Obama enjoys.

Rubio would still walk away from millions of votes Trump inspired, but he’d replace them with more rank and file GOP types.

The problem is that he’d give away the county with his immigration push.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 9:45 AM  

"The primary, yes. Bush or Rubio would be in the process of getting crushed, while funded by True Conservatism, Inc., and the GOP in the general."

yes.

And that is exactly my point. We don't have a system here. We have a fluke.

The Trump campaign is not an example of what can happen. The 2008 and 2012 Ron Paul Campaigns were an example of real grass roots locally funded campaigns.

Bernie Sanders campaign may have been another example but I haven't looked into Bernie's PACs.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 9:46 AM  

"Rubio would still walk away from millions of votes Trump inspired, but he’d replace them with more rank and file GOP types."

I wouldn't worry to much. Most of the furious GOP types will vote for Trump anyway just because they hate hillary.

Blogger Anchorman August 23, 2016 9:46 AM  

A few months ago, his emails contained updates about his campaign. Now, it's one donation-request after another. I'm not naive. Obviously, he'll need money for advertising, etc. But with every fundraising email, he's starting to look more like a regular D.C. politician.

Are you sure each email comes from the same source and they aren't pulling a PAC switcheroo?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 9:48 AM  

I’m not convinced Rubio would be getting crushed by Hillary. I think he’d run Romney 2.0, but Hillary doesn’t have the favorability Obama enjoys.

Rubio's phony "morning in America" messages would have repelled the Trump voters, and while the standard GOP humps would have voted for him that wouldn't have offset the former.

Blogger Anchorman August 23, 2016 9:50 AM  

Well, it's all theoretical and I'd rather have Trump than Rubio, anyway.

Blogger praetorian August 23, 2016 9:51 AM  

Open racialism is the ideological gore posting of the alt-right: it keeps the normies out.

Anonymous gxg August 23, 2016 9:51 AM  

I just checked. Last week, I received at least seven donation-requests from Trump's campaign. Way too many.

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2016 9:54 AM  

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Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 9:55 AM  

for business reasons I am required to have a landline... and I get at least 2 calls a day from Trump PACs begging for money.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 9:55 AM  

And that is exactly my point. We don't have a system here. We have a fluke.

The small donors in the general are the model for a system, though. It is a fluke as far as Trump himself in the primary, but suspect the celebrity more than the wealth propelled him to win. There is much to learn from how he sucked up free media, and regardless of the outcome his campaign needs to be dissected and emulated to the extent it can in the future.

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2016 9:55 AM  

Anyone or movement trying to play according to the old rule book and within the boundaries and confines put in place by the self appointed gatekeepers will fail.
A new day has arrived and the old paradigm is crumbling

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2016 9:57 AM  

@56
Well some sucker has to keep Jesse Benton's fat ass fed.

Anonymous gxg August 23, 2016 10:01 AM  

Are you sure each email comes from the same source and they aren't pulling a PAC switcheroo?

Good question. But I just double-checked, and yup, I'm sure. They're from various accounts, all within the Trump Campaign. The senders include: DonaldJTrump.com, Donald J. Trump, Eric Trump, and Donald Trump Jr. No PACS, at least not yet.

Another interesting thing: When I do donate, a screen usually pops up asking me if I can double my donation.

I hope all of his supporters aren't getting bombarded like this. Like I said above, I've donated several times, so I may be getting more emails than most people.

Anonymous TS August 23, 2016 10:01 AM  

"I just checked. Last week, I received at least seven donation-requests from Trump's campaign. Way too many."

The con artist PACs Vox mentions have already done some damage even before Trump came along.

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2016 10:01 AM  

For some unemployed guy with no moral compass - starting a PAC could be a rags to riches story. I mean what other enterprise can allow you to scam so many people and still legally keep up to 95 % of the proceeds for yourself. ?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 10:02 AM  

for business reasons I am required to have a landline... and I get at least 2 calls a day from Trump PACs begging for money.

I just checked. Last week, I received at least seven donation-requests from Trump's campaign. Way too many.

It has started down that road. Of more concern to me is the use of gimmicks such as a lottery to meet with Donald J. Trump, Jr. Those repel donors and voters.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 23, 2016 10:08 AM  

The Tea Party skewed a bit older, and many saw themselves as civic "duty calls" types who thought naively that they could Mr. Smith Washington for conservative ideals and then go home after a show of drumbeats.

After the co-option and defeat, some faded away.

Others became more radical.

Conceding a little to the Tea Party would have been smart. Maybe it would have been just enough to keep the altright from ascension. As they have discovered, the altright don't care.

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2016 10:08 AM  

@ 7
Heres a joke for you:

What are the three creatures that will survive a worldwide nuclear holocaust?
Answer: Bedbugs, cockroaches and Newt Gingrich.

I've never in my life seen a guy more adept at reading the slightest changes in the political wind and then able to adapt more quickly than that guy.
Despite being such a smarmy fuck - he bears a grudging respect for his adaptability.

Blogger Bede Jarrow August 23, 2016 10:11 AM  

I think the best the Alt Right could do is parallelism, build their own institutions, neighborhoods, etc. American Catholics used to do that back before the 50s and were quite successful, gaining significant political influence till the destruction of the white ethnic neighborhoods (caused by suburbanization, urban renewal and the interstate highway system)and then with the closing of the Second Vatican Council in '65 which destroyed all impetus to expand, defend and maintain the Faith. After which the political clout and will of American Catholics disappeared.

I fear that the Alt Right may go the ways of the anarchists or libertarians in that because it lacks a core or platform (pot and hookers don't win elections and firebombing buildings and cops don't change much either). Right now, I get the idea that the Alt Right is a decentralized, umbrella of different groups, predominantly nationalists mixed with other things that are tired of the same talks with a wickedly humorous side (that is such a relief). At the moment, these different groups have the same interest or purpose, but what happens when the Alt Right actually accumulates real political capital and will have the real possibility of being forced to juggle around different constituents to which no one will be satisfied and the situations could be exacerbated. Memetic warfare can only carry one so far before we move on to the next phase of the war. When people often score a touchdown, they forget they have a the rest of the game to play. Harmony is very difficult in such an environment and may lead to a forced uniformity, while appealing to some, undermines the appeal of the Alt Right in the first place of being decentralized, mostly faceless. Indeed, that is my great fear with Trump is how he will balance all of these various groups who at their core are antagonistic toward each other. As so many in the Alt Right pin their hopes on him, it could as well destroy the movement

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 10:12 AM  

After which the political clout and will of American Catholics disappeared.

Have you looked at the composition of the supreme court recently?

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2016 10:13 AM  

@48
This is what Bernie's $10 dollar donations bought him:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/290887-sanders-buys-nearly-600k-summer-home

Not a bad dacha for an old Fabian Socialist who rails incessantly against the rich.

Blogger James Dixon August 23, 2016 10:16 AM  

> I've followed it closely and donated

We donated as part of the fund raising dinner we attended in Wheeling hosted by my employer. We gave a bit less than the suggested amount. :)

> Sometimes I wish I was a psychopath. Then I would do all sorts of things like this and live the good life.

Yeah, it's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care about other people, isn't it? Oh well, life isn't fair.

> I've donated to Donald Trump several times, and it is discouraging to see so many requests for money lately. I swear, I get one every couple of days.

We probably get a call at least every two weeks. We simply tell them we can't afford to give at this time. It has the advantage of being true. We also get the standard RNC donation calls. We tell them to go to hell.

> I didn't realize, however, that it was as bad as only giving about 7% of the money to the candidates.

There's a reason Ron Paul was able to fund their campaigns with direct to the public requests.

>

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 10:17 AM  

"Not a bad dacha for an old Fabian Socialist who rails incessantly against the rich. "

PT Barnum could've learned a thing or two from Bernie.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 23, 2016 10:21 AM  

This is why the GOP collaborated with the Democrats to use the IRS to suppress actual, grass roots, Tea Party groups from forming. In addition to wanting to exclude non-insiders who might actually rock the boat, they had a monetary incentive as well. They wanted the donations to flow to them.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 10:21 AM  

my great fear with Trump is how he will balance all of these various groups who at their core are antagonistic toward each other. As so many in the Alt Right pin their hopes on him, it could as well destroy the movement

The Alt-Right has supported Trump but he isn't its face and in fact holds some apposite positions. That's been smart.

Blogger David Power August 23, 2016 10:30 AM  


The entire $ystem is corrupt from top to bottom and rotten to its very core.

I now no longer believe it can be fixed by putting a cross in a box next to 'any' politician's name.

That's not to say that the solution will not involve politicians, boxes or indeed crosses!

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 10:30 AM  

That's not to say that the solution will not involve politicians, boxes or indeed crosses!

Found the infiltrator

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 23, 2016 10:38 AM  

@66 Don't let fear rule you.

The Alt-Right are reactionaries, but will likely serve a larger purpose, which is preserving Western Society after the coming collapse and helping it rebuild.

Yes, there will be a collapse and war as the SJWs have taken over almost every institution, and their nihilism is completely unsustainable. The liberals of old had enough sense to let the pragmatic right run the businesses, the police and just skim off the top for their fun, but the SJWs think that they can run businesses, police, and all major institutions.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 10:41 AM  

The Alt-Right are reactionaries, but will likely serve a larger purpose, which is preserving Western Society after the coming collapse and helping it rebuild.

How?

Blogger praetorian August 23, 2016 10:41 AM  

I fear that the Alt Right may go the ways of the anarchists or libertarians in that because it lacks a core or platform (pot and hookers don't win elections and firebombing buildings and cops don't change much either).

The Alt-Right, in large part, is a *reaction* to that failure of anarchism, minarchism, libertarianism, anarcho-libertariansm, etc. Many nationalists are ex-libertarians because they recognized that all the NAP fapping in the world wasn't going to amount anything when a division of Joses came over the hill sporting Marias with full auto wombs.

Nationalism is a family friendly (and, hence, civilizationally friendly), fighting faith. It's survivability characteristics, therefore, are much better than the individualist philosophies we are all more comfortable with.

Blogger praetorian August 23, 2016 10:44 AM  

Dammit, praetorian, LINK THE DAMNED VIDEO.

"all the NAP fapping"

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 23, 2016 10:45 AM  

@76 The Alt-Right seems to have a high commitment to truth, they appear to like Western Society and value it, they tend to be aggressive.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 10:49 AM  

"The Alt-Right are reactionaries, but will likely serve a larger purpose, which is preserving Western Society after the coming collapse and helping it rebuild. "

This is actually the exact same goal as the Campaign for Liberty.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 10:50 AM  

"The Alt-Right are reactionaries, but will likely serve a larger purpose, which is preserving Western Society after the coming collapse and helping it rebuild. "

This is actually the exact same goal as the Campaign for Liberty.


And the Benedict Option

Anonymous Jeffrey Quick August 23, 2016 10:51 AM  

Reports of the Tea Party's death have been coming in since the beginning. I'm a little prejudiced perhaps since I belong to one of the most vigorous and well-led TP groups in the country. Its members have been encouraged to send their money to local rather than national races, and not to send it to the state GOP, which is basically Kasich's PAC (the Trump campaign had to yank its victory centers from state control, because the state central was sitting on its hands). They've had no problem in pivoting to support Trump (even though said leader was a Cruz delegate). They aren't alt-right yet, not by a long shot, but I can see there's an influence on thought. Yes, they're all old, and nice Christians. But part of being old is not giving a shit anymore...like, they're going to kill you? It's going to be interesting to see how things evolve, esp. in the event of a Trump win (if Hillary wins, she'll make sure they're all disbanded.)

Blogger praetorian August 23, 2016 10:58 AM  

Nate and Josh, part of the disconnect between you and a lot of the Alt-right is that you are true southroners. Therefore you have a strong identity framework to work within (so much so that you may not notice it). We do not. Non-southroners (who, as Josh as said, are neither your care, nor your problem) are going to have to quick-bake such an identity, the process of which will look silly and inauthentic to you.

It may fail, but each failure sows the seeds of future success.

Anonymous gxg August 23, 2016 11:00 AM  

On topic, new from Stefan Molyneaux:
DNC Fraud: Bernie Sanders Donors File Lawsuit

This should be interesting.

Blogger praetorian August 23, 2016 11:06 AM  

Interesting related bon mot from Curt Doolittle.
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Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 23, 2016 11:07 AM  

@ 36 - The way to keep the Alt-Right from falling into this trap is to do what Vox is doing.

Vaccinate the rank and file.


I'm pretty sure Vox doesn't want to do that.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 11:11 AM  

" Therefore you have a strong identity framework to work within "

Believe it or not I really am sympathetic to these sorts of issue. There is a huge lack of community for example. Such that very concepts of community that we take for granted are greeted with skepticism by folks in your situation because they've never seen it.

Its hard for me to fathom the challenges that brings. And that is before we even get to the identity issues.

There is no question y'all have a much tougher road than we do... and it is not my intent to make that road harder on you.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 23, 2016 11:13 AM  

But part of being old is not giving a shit anymore...like, they're going to kill you?

We. Don't. Care. is a powerful philosophy. Given "they" are going to kill white folks, and are doing so now, only those delusional enough to think they are exempt care, old or not.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 11:13 AM  

"I'm pretty sure Vox doesn't want to do that."

The metaphor is fine.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 23, 2016 11:16 AM  

The metaphor is fine.

Whoa dude, don't go all 'sperg on me!

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2016 11:22 AM  

@83
The closest thing you will find to that in the Northeast are the proverbial "Old Yankee New Englanders"
Extremely thrifty, tough, resilient , independent and mistrustful of all forms of government - they have deep ties to the land.
Although no longer a majority, their numbers can still be found in the northern reaches of Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire. Unfortunately they're a dying breed.
Most of the ones I know are much older and very few under 50 have the same mindset of these old timers.
Probably the largest concentration is found in Aroostoc and Washington County Maine and the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 23, 2016 11:25 AM  

Nate and Josh, part of the disconnect between you and a lot of the Alt-right is that you are true southroners. Therefore you have a strong identity framework to work within (so much so that you may not notice it). We do not. Non-southroners (who, as Josh as said, are neither your care, nor your problem) are going to have to quick-bake such an identity, the process of which will look silly and inauthentic to you.

While the Southern element may come into it a bit, I believe the divide is more simply rural vs. urban/suburban.

Can we really say that suburban Atlanta or Raleigh really have a sense of community, or that small towns in Wisconsin, Missouri, or Idaho do not?

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 11:28 AM  

"Extremely thrifty, tough, resilient , independent and mistrustful of all forms of government - they have deep ties to the land."

one of them lives next to me. moved down here like 50 years ago and fit right in. helps his neighbors. Doesn't stir up shit. Minds his own.

Also... the single most amazingly racist human I have ever met. In all my days I have never met anyone that hates "the damn dahkies" as that yankee.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 11:34 AM  

True story... the dude was supervising a massive concrete foundation pour. they were pouring the whole concrete foundation for a massive power pole plant all at once. So the company had like 50 guys there to help. During the pour my yankee neighbor sees a bunch of black employees standing around doing nothing. He shouts some obscenities at them.. and they sort of lazily start working again.

It was to hectic to really deal with it right then... but when the work was all done... he gathers them all up, and says, "Hey. Every one of you lazy niggers is fired. for being lazy niggers."

As you can imagine the company bigwigs crapped their pants. They told him he had to apologize and rehire them all. he refused and said, "I didn't say anything you weren't thinking. And besides.. you got an army of lawyers sitting around up there at the home office. let 'em earn their pay for once."

So he's "retired" now.

Blogger James Dixon August 23, 2016 11:36 AM  

> Also... the single most amazingly racist human I have ever met. In all my days I have never met anyone that hates "the damn dahkies" as that yankee.

Far more common than you would credit, Nate.

Blogger praetorian August 23, 2016 11:36 AM  

Can we really say that suburban Atlanta or Raleigh really have a sense of community, or that small towns in Wisconsin, Missouri, or Idaho do not?

Right, hence me saying "true southroners".

My sense, and it is only a sense, is that in the rural west you have more individualism and less deep community (leaving aside cases like the mormons). There are obviously advantages to this sort of thing when populations are sparse and generally homogenous, but it has a tough time preserving itself in the face of constant population growth. I have watched farmers here in northern california sell off their (prime) farms for developments that filled up with suburbs, and then decayed into beanerburbs.

Blogger James Dixon August 23, 2016 11:41 AM  

Oh, CNN is claiming to "debunk" the Hillary health issue now: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/22/politics/hillary-clinton-health-conspiracy-theory-explained/index.html

If they had any sense they'd just shut up and never mention it. The fact that they're covering it shows just how much of an issue it actually is. And the fact that no one believes them anymore means all the coverage is merely going to backfire.

Anonymous GamerGate lesson August 23, 2016 11:47 AM  

Exactly the same scams happened in #GamerGate. And yes, it was warned endlessly about people trying to make a buck. When Internet Aristocrat left he explicitly called that out. I doubt anything will change. The AltRight is going to fund lots of shit which sounds somewhat okish expecting returns on it and it will never manifest.

GamerGate funded mind boggeling retarded charities (sea lions) only raising the profile of some panda furry in the process.
Then BasedGamer - 50k for nothing.
Then SPJ
Then the usual "help me something bad happened to me" scams.

Be very careful at what you throw your money. Even if the amount of money doesn't hurt you, funding a scam artist will demoralize you.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 11:48 AM  

"Can we really say that suburban Atlanta or Raleigh really have a sense of community, or that small towns in Wisconsin, Missouri, or Idaho do not?"

Atlanta isn't the south anymore.. no more than Miami is. Its been invaded by so many yankees and left coast liberals it really no different than any other shithole city its size. Honestly if we go to war with the north again we'll burn it for you as an act of good faith.

Blogger Mountain Man August 23, 2016 11:54 AM  

They told him he had to apologize and rehire them all. he refused and said, "I didn't say anything you weren't thinking. And besides.. you got an army of lawyers sitting around up there at the home office. let 'em earn their pay for once."

Oh yeah - love it.! That balkiness is a characteristic trait of a true old " New Englanda" There is no way in hell anyone, anywhere is going to tell him to do something against his will - when what he said/did was just.

Working in the timber industry, and being friends with a number of dairy farmers, I'm able to rub shoulders with guys like that -regularly. Their honorable stubbornness never fails to lift my spirits and bolster my resolve to be more like that when the situation calls for it

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 12:20 PM  

"Oh yeah - love it.! That balkiness is a characteristic trait of a true old " New Englanda" There is no way in hell anyone, anywhere is going to tell him to do something against his will - when what he said/did was just. '

He's a great guy. Very good neighbor. Moved down here when was really young to avoid a murder charge. Got in a bar fight. dude pulled a knife on him. He killed the guy. Rather than stick around and take his chances... when he found out who the jerk was related too... he packed up and came down here.

Never been back.

Blogger VoodooJock August 23, 2016 12:21 PM  

Throw Raleigh/Durham in with that lot. That place is crawling with NYC ex-pats.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 12:24 PM  

"Throw Raleigh/Durham in with that lot. That place is crawling with NYC ex-pats."

I swear we should build a wall on the mason dixon line.

Blogger VoodooJock August 23, 2016 12:30 PM  

Throw Raleigh/Durham in with that lot. That place is crawling with NYC ex-pats.

Blogger Josh August 23, 2016 12:30 PM  

I swear we should build a wall on the mason dixon line.

South bank of the Potomac.

Blogger Timmy3 August 23, 2016 12:43 PM  

That's why I stopped donating to conservative PACs. I'm getting a lot of requests for Trump donations, but for two reasons I'm holding back. Possible harrassment and Trump's questionable use of campaign funds. Giving to his own organization seems to be where most funds are headed. Little money going to local battleground states where it should matter.

Blogger Anchorman August 23, 2016 12:49 PM  

I swear we should build a wall on the mason dixon line.

Maryland's okay?

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 12:57 PM  

"
Maryland's okay?"

Good point.

We should move the Mason Dixon line to the northern border of North Carolina.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2016 1:03 PM  

Not too long ago, I was one of those who was saying, "the Tea Party is mainstream you dumbass but what comes next won't be."

Now I'm saying, "the Alt-Right isn't mainstream but it's not advocating terrorism either but what comes next..."

Anonymous Daedalus Mugged August 23, 2016 1:12 PM  

Josh's AltRightPAC is a corrupt, divisive sham, and a distortion of the true and acceptable Alt Right viewpoint. We can win, but not with the likes of those unacceptables. They have not adequately distanced themselves from the KKK or denounced the support of some guy no one had ever heard of yet. Give to the Alt Right Victory fund!

(the Cucks will be cucky about it)

Blogger Ingot9455 August 23, 2016 1:37 PM  

A story of donating to Trump:

I made a notable but not amazing donation to Trump's campaign, in return for a 'campaign pack' consisting of a MAGA hat, a button, a t-shirt, and a bumper sticker. I received an e-mail receipt immediately. Having grown accustomed to Amazon.com, I expected to receive my campaign package in a few days. A week passed and I received nothing, so I checked on the website. "Expect 8-14 days," it said, further indicating that this was outsourced to a fulfillment company.

I waited until three weeks. Nothing. I tried emailing in, but my email bounced. (As it turned out, the return address on the email receipt was 'donaldjtrump' but I should have emailed to 'donaldtrump'.) I shamefully admit that I allowed myself to doubt the God Emperor in my heart.

At three weeks and one day, I received an email of apology from the Trump campaign and the fulfillment company. "We are currently backlogged on hat orders due to incredible response. As an apology, we will be including two extra bumper stickers in your campaign pack. We will inform you in the instant your order ships." A few days after that I received an email saying my package was in shipping.

I hope to wear my new finery at the Labor Day SF-gaming con here in the Bay Area.

I can't use the bumper stickers here in the Bay Area, but I'll find a use for them. It's interesting that the hats are in such great demand.

Blogger Cederq August 23, 2016 1:43 PM  

#111, Ingot9455, Why can't you use the bumper stickers? Do what I do with NRA supplied bumper stickers when I get one of their 'give me money, or you will lose your 2nd admend rights" come ons... I find a coexist and hillary/ sanders sticker infested car and place it on there. I like feeling it gives.

Blogger Ben Cohen August 23, 2016 1:48 PM  

The first tea party was thrown by Ron Paul supporters in November 2007. I remember it clearly and it was way before Rick Santelli.

You have a good indication something is a scam when the people that didn't start a movement say they did, rewrite history, and then throw out the originals (Ron Paul) that inspired the whole thing.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2016 2:09 PM  

PAC's are like mosquitoes, they will home in on the juiciest target. Since a lot of TEA Party people were / are over 50, direct mail solicitation by PAC's fit right in with their worldview. Didn't they bankroll the Moral Majority back in the 80's? Didn't they send money to support Newt's Contract with America in the 90's? So, sure, writing checks in the noughts to PAC's in support of mumble-good things made sense. Plus being thrifty they had the extra cash to send off.

Maybe one reason the cucks are so mad is they realize those days are going away.

Millennials and younger Z's? Not so much on direct mail, not so full of extra cash, either.

The GOPe whale and all the little sharks that swim with it pretty much did kill the national TEA Party and definitely damaged the state ones. So now they are getting Trump and the alt-Right. They might still thwart Trump.

We all know what that means- the next man who gets up to surf the waves won't be nearly as nice as the Donald.

Anonymous Dave August 23, 2016 2:22 PM  

Whatever "killed" the Tea Party, it was doomed by its own internal contradictions. Its credo was, don't give us any more socialism but let us keep the socialism we already have. Is there one person anywhere who sincerely believes that 65-year-olds deserve free (or heavily subsidized) health care but 64-year-olds don't?

Blogger James Dixon August 23, 2016 2:22 PM  

> I can't use the bumper stickers here in the Bay Area, but I'll find a use for them.

Find a car with a Hillary sticker. You'll know what to do. :)

The resulting vandalism is merely icing on the cake.

Anonymous BGKB August 23, 2016 2:27 PM  

"debunk" the Hillary health issue ...And the fact that no one believes them anymore means all the coverage is merely going to backfire

I wish no one believed them any more. You can't swing a dead cat in a gay setting without hitting at least one.

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2016 3:17 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:I waited until three weeks. Nothing. I tried emailing in, but my email bounced. (As it turned out, the return address on the email receipt was 'donaldjtrump' but I should have emailed to 'donaldtrump'.) I shamefully admit that I allowed myself to doubt the God Emperor in my heart.

I bought the official hat, and it took about 3 weeks to get the shipped email.

I suspect I would have gotten a hat much faster if I bought the various Amazon knockoffs, but then that'd defeat the point.

Also Bay Area, hoping to wear it election day.

Anonymous SciVo August 23, 2016 3:26 PM  

Starbuck wrote:Don't think it can't or won't happen? It will happen. Even if it stays decentralized. Some people will move in and operate as if they are the central part of it. The true people will protest and the media will shut them up by marginalizing them. People will listen to the agents and lose their money. They will feel despair and give up on Alt-Right.

The true people will protest and the media will shut them up by marginalizing them. Then they will attack the fakers with a flood of dank memes. People will laugh at the frauds and keep their money. They will feel joy and identify with the alt-right.

Josh wrote:The enduring image of the tea party will always be old people in motorized scooters with signs reading "keep your government hands off my Medicare"

If I ever see an alt-right protest, I will assume it's half FBI and half pranksters. What would be the point? Whose attention would we be trying to get that way, that we couldn't get some other, more effective way?

Anonymous SciVo August 23, 2016 3:37 PM  

HonorLiving wrote:You could already see how a movement without an ideological core can get coopted for all sort of purposes, since it doesn't have one to begin with. Your movement doesn't have to have leaders but it can't be "hollow". People have to know if they're being stirred in the wrong direction.

1. Instincts: the five moral spheres and the Jacksonian code of honor.
2. Process: no-holds-barred debate with demands for evidence.
3. Ideology: Yay Dad! (vs. progressivism's Eff You Dad)

I think that's sufficient to resist sophistry and co-opting, especially with #2.

Josh wrote:Vaccinate the rank and file.

Why do you want to turn the alt right autistic?


I lol'd.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2016 4:03 PM  

Whatever "killed" the Tea Party, it was doomed by its own internal contradictions.

Fair point, but really not the killer. The TEA Party actually believes all that "right of the people to petition" text out of the Constitution. Having the IRS sicced on them was a surprise.

tl;dr
TEA Party played by the rules and expected the government to do likewise.

alt-Right knows better.

Blogger Lovekraft August 23, 2016 4:30 PM  

The leftists will bring the system down around our heads before there's any chance alt-right policies become enacted, because our policies include a major purging of institutions.

How to disinfect a building overrun with vermin without reducing said building to rubble? Without letting the vermin escape to infect another building? (for any sjw pearl clutcher: I am NOT making a holocaust reference in any way, shape or form. If you interpret it that way, then you're an idiot).

Option 1: build a new building - relocate before it gets bad.
Option 2: clear out building - cut off funding, prosecute corruption/collusion, mass terminations of employment
Option 3: THIS IS NOT AN OPTION. Just put here to make a point. Work with the rats, understand them and empathize. About a 1% chance of this happening.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 August 23, 2016 5:02 PM  

I supported the TEA Party - and this is *by far* the best argument for supporting Trump that I've heard yet.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 23, 2016 5:29 PM  

Josh wrote:Why do you want to turn the alt right autistic?
That's more of a slight curve than a turn.

Anonymous DK_Ilonius August 23, 2016 5:39 PM  

One of the best ways to support the alt-right at the moment is to buy books from Castalia House.

I predict within the next 5 to 8 years Castalia will have signed at least that many big name, well-known authors.

I could see the likes of Orson Scott Card, Brandon Sanderson, and Larry Niven becoming Castalia authors. Of course, there will be surprises along the way especially now that PNH is the assistant publisher at Tor. Honestly, I don't think Tor will survive the death of Tom Doherty, so I'd say it's a small possibility that at some point Castalia will end up publishing the Ender's Game series of books. What a nice coup against traditional publishing that would be!

Just watch and see...

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2016 5:55 PM  

SciVo wrote:Josh wrote:Vaccinate the rank and file.

Why do you want to turn the alt right autistic?


I lol'd.


At least the trains will be fine.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 23, 2016 6:12 PM  

SciVo wrote:3. Ideology: Yay Dad! (vs. progressivism's Eff You Dad)

More like Yay Great-Grandpa!!

Anonymous Avalanche August 23, 2016 6:41 PM  

@45 "I've donated to Donald Trump several times, and it is discouraging to see so many requests for money lately. I swear, I get one every couple of days."

Only every couple of days?! I'm getting at leas tone, and usually two EVERY day! Allegedly from this son, that son, the new campaign mgr, etc. etc. Yeah, TOTALLY sounds like politics as usual. (I'm HOPING the new staff if Trump taking back some control! But I'm also feeling a bit (more) dubious about what sounds like prevarication... I know he has to appeal to 'general' voters, but it's painful... (As I keep harping (or is it pleading?) to a friend: he has to GET elected to do the stuff he has said that we want! WE aren't enough to get him elected without the MPAIs!)

Anonymous andon August 23, 2016 7:04 PM  

115. Anonymous Dave August 23, 2016 2:22 PM
Whatever "killed" the Tea Party, it was doomed by its own internal contradictions. Its credo was, don't give us any more socialism but let us keep the socialism we already have. Is there one person anywhere who sincerely believes that 65-year-olds deserve free (or heavily subsidized) health care but 64-year-olds don't?

do illegal aliens deserve free health care too?

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 23, 2016 8:14 PM  

This is why the parasites like Rick Wilson are all pointing to Donald Trump raising his rent for his campaign headquarters at Trump Tower as a scam to pocket donations.

Because that is how they operate as low life scum buckets...so naturally that is how everybody else operates.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 23, 2016 8:20 PM  

Dont worry, the policies of the Alt Right are being driven by the negative consequences to European hoi polloi.

They arent gonna fade.

Muslims arent gonna stop being Muslims...for example.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 23, 2016 8:45 PM  

The Trump emails are arriving daily but his fund raising numbers seems solid so maybe this is SOP rather than desperation. I put my Trump sticker on a hideous refugee Wilkommen poster on the Green Party office in Dusseldorf.

Anonymous Ellipsis Lacuna August 23, 2016 9:58 PM  

This phenomenon could easily be publicized across the aisle under the title, "How Big Money PACs Destroy Grass-Roots Democracy!" You'd think the progtards would care about such a topic.

Anonymous Ellipsis Lacuna August 23, 2016 10:02 PM  

What happened to the idea that Trump was going to completely fund his own campaign from his own billions? Why is fundraising even an issue? It wouldn't even take most of his wealth. In '12, the two major candidates spent just over a billion combined, or about $500M each. Trump wouldn't even need that much with all the free publicity he's been getting.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein August 23, 2016 10:26 PM  

...and make the Yankees pay for it!

Anonymous SciVo August 24, 2016 12:43 AM  

Ellipsis Lacuna wrote:What happened to the idea that Trump was going to completely fund his own campaign from his own billions?

His own primary campaign. Which he did.

Why would you want him to unilaterally disarm for the general? That would be stupid, and he never said he would. And it's good that his own fortunes are so deeply tied to how well America does; selling that off would negate one of his selling points.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein August 24, 2016 6:28 AM  

...and make the Yankees pay for it!

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein August 24, 2016 6:28 AM  

...and make the Yankees pay for it!

Blogger Oliver Shank August 24, 2016 8:29 AM  

Yep. We were demonized with scurrilous lies. We are still here. W are still pissed. We still vote.

Media paid a price for demonizing the Tea Party, because a lot of people who know Tea Party members got a case of cognitive dissonance. Big media have reached a point now where their ethos sucks. More and more people just don't believe them.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 25, 2016 12:12 AM  

@15

"Don't think it can't or won't happen? It will happen. Even if it stays decentralized. Some people will move in and operate as if they are the central part of it. The true people will protest and the media will shut them up by marginalizing them. People will listen to the agents and lose their money. They will feel despair and give up on Alt-Right."

If enough of these money-grabbing imposters soon start doing inanimate impressions of Clinton associates....it will stop as quickly as it started.

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