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Sunday, August 28, 2016

In defense of 14 words

Now, I don't usually recommend this sort of dialectical response to a rhetorical attack like the one cited here. However, for those who are sufficiently bilingual in the black arts of philosophical persuasion, this may be a useful example of how to turn an attacker's rhetorical assault against him.

Notice how he initially attacks Point 14, but when called on his implicit endorsement of their negation, refuses to directly answer what aspect of it he opposes. This is what I mean by dialectic being useful for exposing pseudo-dialectic for rhetorical purposes.

It's a little confusing, I know, but don't be misled. This is, from start to finish, a rhetorical engagement. I am merely using dialectic as a rhetorical device to expose and manipulate him into publicly discrediting himself.


Supreme Dark Lord @voxday
Awful attempt by (((@CathyYoung63))) to critique my #AltRight platform. She calls the West "a mongrel culture".

Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
You saw awful, but most would say accurate. @CathyYoung63 has nailed it. The #AltRight are nazis, pure and simple.

Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
Here, @voxday means the Jews. (screencap of 10)

Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
Here, @voxday uses that well known scientific term: sub-species. No racism to see here. Move along. (screencap of 15)

Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
#WhatIsTheAltRight?
Well, the #AltRight are white supremacists. Isn't that right, @voxday?

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Some are, most aren't. I'm an Indian. What part of this do you oppose? "We must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children"?

Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
So you are a white supremacist then. Just another reactionary nazi.

Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
You are, it seems. And no, I don't oppose the existence of PEOPLE.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
No, Charlie, I am not. I am an Indian who believes that the continued existence of white people is desirable. Why do you disagree?

Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
Stop being disingenuous. It's a well known White Supremacist slogan. You know that.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Answer the question. What part of it do you oppose? All of it? None of it?

Charles Ledley‏@ialmctt
I'll answer it if you acknowledge that it's a well known white supremacist slogan. Do you acknowledge that?

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Of course. That's why it is point 14. Now, answer the question. Do you support all of the 14 words, some of them, or none of them?

Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
I've answered this.

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
No, you didn't. This is going on the blog, so don't be evasive. Which of the 14 words do you disagree with, if any?

Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
Put what you like on your blog. I answered your question


He didn't, of course, and we all know why. If he actually answered it, he would either be liable to his own charge of being a white supremacist for endorsing the continued existence of white people or he would be put on the record for calling openly for the extermination of the white races.

I believe this should settle the debate about whether Point 14 belongs on the list of core Alt-Right principles or not in favor of the affirmative.

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177 Comments:

Blogger BassmanCO August 28, 2016 10:40 AM  

As someone who thinks purely in dialectic (and can't understand why others can't do thhe same), I appreciate these examples. Please keep them coming.

Blogger Markku August 28, 2016 10:41 AM  

Mongrel culture? Perhaps she wants us to cull the breed, then.

Anonymous Case August 28, 2016 10:41 AM  

I'm betting that the phrase "America First" makes him drop to the floor and spin on his shoulder, also.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 28, 2016 10:42 AM  

I believe this should settle the debate about whether Point 14 belongs on the list of core Alt-Right principles or not in favor of the affirmative.

Newt: "Affirmative"

As well it should be.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 28, 2016 10:45 AM  

White Lives Matter more to whites.

As shall be shortly apparent.

Pity the stepchildren...

Blogger residentMoron August 28, 2016 10:48 AM  

"You are, it seems."

You don't say?

Blogger Lovekraft August 28, 2016 10:48 AM  

The promotion of this point has to have a salient point, otherwise it's just trolling. Strategically, being firm in support of white culture and ethnicity will draw the usual criticism from the hypocritical left, but may serve as a warning to those wishing to infiltrate.

But how to prevent it going too far, being used by said infiltrators to smear the alt-right?

So a clarification is necessary, to ensure that being pro-white does not mean anti-black, ((())) etc but rather a warning to outsiders: "we will treat you fairly, we will ensure equal access to courts, economic opportunity. But should you stray (hello Rap culture, talkin' to you), or gain excessive influence in the reins of power (which would open pure parasitical entry), then toodle-loo to you.

Blogger Lovekraft August 28, 2016 10:50 AM  

to clarify my first line re trolling. This is the era, as Vox says, of the meme, of rhetoric. So perhaps stating a whites first policy is just a reflection of our current times and the details are there for those who wish to look. I definitely trust Vox's instincts and sincerity, so am one who will see where this goes, help fend of the character assassination etc.

Politics is a science, a numbers game, but one which should have sound principles. Juggling the two is an artform.

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 10:55 AM  

Copypasta from the (((Ekaterina Jung))) thread:

The fourteen words are, observably, the crux on which everything else turns. I keep coming back to them: they act like kryptonite on my own sentimental tendencies and clarify, in fire, which team people are on. Jews who agree with them are our friends, jews who do not are our enemies. Pretty simple.

The whole article is classic Jewish projection, unreflective self-regard and neuroses. Whenever you hear "white supremacy" you can think "jewish supremacy" which is what we live under (simply look at the supreme court, federal reserve, ivy league school admission demographics, etc.)

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.

Blogger Markku August 28, 2016 10:59 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:But how to prevent it going too far, being used by said infiltrators to smear the alt-right?

By ignoring the smears, the same way you'd ignore a grade schooler calling you a poo-poo head for the hundredth time. Most people have already figured out the game. The specter of "racist" has almost completely lost its power to terrify.

Blogger Markku August 28, 2016 11:00 AM  

When they pull that string, they want you to jump. One way or the other, it doesn't matter. As long as you jump. So, just don't jump.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 11:04 AM  

I have a white male co-worker who regularly adopts the Narrative, he mocks whites and white culture. One day this summer he was in the middle of a vitriolic diatribe and I just looked at him and asked "Why do you hate whites so much?"

It stopped him cold and he's not puking narrative everywhere. Even though this looks like a fairly nominal internet skirmish Vox, I think you did some serious damage here. When they get called out like this they must either titrate the Narrative or double down and expose themselves for the haters they are.

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 11:04 AM  

@Praetorian

Jews who agree with them are our friends, jews who do not are our enemies. Pretty simple.

Thanks for posting this. Couldn't agree more. Now off to hear what Brother Nathanael is saying these days.

Anonymous Godfrey August 28, 2016 11:05 AM  

The Alt Right is actually fighting racism.

We want the West to stop destroying the countries of brown people.

And many of us are saddened by the treatment of the Palestinian people.

Anonymous Godfrey August 28, 2016 11:12 AM  

Ironically many respected Jews have had a profound influence on the Alt Right. Rothbard for one.

Anonymous Godfrey August 28, 2016 11:15 AM  

The Alt-Right is actually fighting racism. We want the Western governments to STOP destroying the countries of brown people.

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 11:15 AM  

I wonder if this tweet-stream by NNT comparing academia with business is apropos:

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/769867793214865408

"Academia is ~ zero-sum: every position/honor/promotion/rank/reward is taken from someone else. Business on the other hand creates business. You can tell people who come from countries w/rent seeking; they think that business is zero-sum: wealth is money taken from others."

A hypothesis: Jews come from a rent-seeking region, and tend to dominate rent-seeking and appointment-based professions. Therefore they tend to instinctively see the world in zero-sum terms. This is why simple white survival appears to them to be white supremacy: everything is a life-and-death struggle for that tenure-track position.

Anonymous stress management August 28, 2016 11:16 AM  

Unfortunately, cucks like Charles Ledley have been successfully taught to hate themselves, and this sickness is unlikely to be driven out of them. It is especially strong in church leadership.

Point 14 is a good shock treatment for the fence-sitters, though.




Blogger Dave August 28, 2016 11:18 AM  

If the left didn't have logical fallacies, it wouldn't have any logic at all.

Anonymous JAG August 28, 2016 11:24 AM  

I like how Charlie agrees to answer the question. Then, in his very next message, he claims he already answered it. Does he think nobody else can read?

OpenID paworldandtimes August 28, 2016 11:28 AM  

Even though this looks like a fairly nominal internet skirmish Vox, I think you did some serious damage here.

I agree.

PA

Blogger Mountain Man August 28, 2016 11:32 AM  

The bolshevik jews are the most elitist, parasitical group of people that exist. Like moslems they are really are incapable of assimilating. The only difference is that they commit their acts of violence at arms length via institutions. I can see why many were allowed to leave the former USSR/ Russia in the late 1970s and early 80s. The russians probably though - "good riddance now they can become some other countries problem" .
Israel is where they belong and where they should all be living..

OpenID tteclod August 28, 2016 11:35 AM  

Ted,

You just argued for the "White Genocide" meme.

Further discussion here: https://tteclod.wordpress.com/2016/05/26/an-injun-advocates-against-the-white-genocide-meme/

Blogger pyrrhus August 28, 2016 11:36 AM  

Meanwhile, 100,000 Congolese-Montanans are waiting to come here and go on welfare, while Indians sit on crappy reservations....

Blogger pyrrhus August 28, 2016 11:36 AM  

http://www.vdare.com/posts/memo-to-the-donald-montana-shows-all-refugee-importation-needs-shutting-down-now

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 11:41 AM  

I like how Charlie agrees to answer the question. Then, in his very next message, he claims he already answered it. Does he think nobody else can read?

Charlie likely has little grasp of the dialetic, but he recognizes he's caught. So Charlie lies by omission. His better argument, although still a losing one, would have been to the effect that "whites deserve respect, of course, but aren't being denied it" blah, blah, blah. But rather than admit he lost the exchange or trying another tact, he lied. Same-o, same-o.

Blogger pyrrhus August 28, 2016 11:45 AM  

@16 Yes, many Jews and jewish organizations tend to see things from a nepotistic us-or-them perspective, I have a lot of experience with that....My theory is that this very clannish perspective is typical of those with middle eastern blood...

Anonymous Philipp August 28, 2016 11:46 AM  

"You are, it seems"

Once again "it seems".

Anonymous Apollyon August 28, 2016 11:50 AM  

Well done. A bit like Christ's answer to the question posed (Mark 12:14-17):

And when (((they))) were come, (((they))) say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Sometimes people fall into their own trap

Anonymous BGKB August 28, 2016 11:53 AM  

16 This is why simple white survival appears to them to be white supremacy: everything is a life-and-death struggle for that tenure-track position.

Understanding the concept of rent seeking vs. merit is one of the bigger red pills.

21bolshevik jews are the most elitist, parasitical group of people that exist. Like moslems they are really are incapable of assimilating

If you have one intransigent jew you must provide an alternative to free ham served at a Christmas party or be sued, if you have one moslem people eating free ham will cause immigrant mass murder syndrome.

Blogger Mountain Man August 28, 2016 11:54 AM  

@26
Not all. My wife is Jewish (Christian convert) and she unequivocally agrees with my pro-white nationalistic stances. Of course being a Christian convert has now rendered her persona non grata within the Jewish community.
Michael Savage is also a Jew who seems to have a pretty grasp of the necessity for individual nations to embrace their distinct race and heritage.

Blogger Ingemar August 28, 2016 11:54 AM  

Vox, you are as Indian as Elizabeth Warren.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 28, 2016 11:58 AM  

Hitler often sat in chairs, Vox has been repeatedly seen sitting in a chair - checkmate racisss!

Anonymous stress management August 28, 2016 12:02 PM  

Ingemar wrote:Vox, you are as Indian as Elizabeth Warren.

Ingemar, why are you so bigoted against non-whites who want to allow white people to exist?

Anonymous Jack Amok August 28, 2016 12:04 PM  

There are three answers someone could have to Vox's question:

1 - we should secure a future for White children
2 - we should try to exterminate White people
3 - we shouldn't care what color/race someone is

Now, #3 would be fantastic, and a whole bunch of White people have spent the last three generations trying to build that world. But, all that the non-White people - and most especially the (((non-White))) people - have done is use that as an opportunity to steal from us. A few people from those other races have signed on in an honest attempt to built World #3, but most of them have remained as tribal and racist as ever, and far more so than the White Supremacists cucks and leftists always wet their pants about.

So Answer #3 is a failed project, and the failure is very clearly the fault of racist non-Whites. The Alt-Right are the folks who notice this failure, and realize we have to pick from #1 or #2. But a whole lot of people get their rice bowl filled by pretending #3 is working, and worse still, by pretending the problems with it have nothing to do with non-Whites banding together to loot our civilization.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 28, 2016 12:09 PM  

Who does Charles Hedley associate with? What style does he use? Unless he's one of the clowns mimicking some other culture or group behavior most observers would term cultural appropriation, he has an expressed preference. He thinks it's superior.

He, like every other human being, is a chauvinist.

Every one of these hypocritical asses merits a bitch-slap. They run the "do as I say, not as I do" scam and no one calls their hypocrisy for what it is.

They're all the same, "we only allow one kind of thought but we love diversity" morons.

He'll have some respect if he spends a few warm nights walking around Chicago's Englewood neighborhood. See how actual diversity works for him

Blogger frigger611 August 28, 2016 12:12 PM  

@34,

That's a very good assessment, Jack

Blogger JWM August 28, 2016 12:13 PM  

@8 Lovekraft "This is the era, as Vox says, of the meme, of rhetoric. "
Right there. I'll go back to an analogy I've made before. This is a war of memes. The alt-right is a guy on a stool with an acoustic guitar. Even if he plays like Sergovia the left's garage band musicians have the 50,000 watt amplifier. They have the high tech recording studio and payola for the radio stations. You can kick their ass every six ways from Sunday in a dialectical exchange, but, as Scott Adams points out, the game is still persuasion by any means. The "R" word still has magic mojo, and too many people are terrified of it. It's the scarlet letter than can cost you your job. I myself lit a firestorm of virtue signaling by using the dreaded "n" word on facebarf. I'm persona non gratis with a lot of people I once considered "friends". I really don't care much about it. These weren't people whom I hung out with, and the loss of a fb contact is nothing. But I had to consider that some crusader for virtue and equality might take it upon himself to get me unemployed for badthink. O'brian is waiting in his office.

JWM

Blogger ace August 28, 2016 12:17 PM  

"So Answer #3 is a failed project, and the failure is very clearly the fault of racist non-Whites."

This is the truth.

Whites laid down the sword of tribalism and invited everyone else to do so. Did they? No.

Blogger Shimshon August 28, 2016 12:23 PM  

"The alt-right is a guy on a stool with an acoustic guitar."

When described like this, I see the alt-right as John Belushi in Animal House. Uh...Sorry?

Blogger Mountain Man August 28, 2016 12:25 PM  

@37
The ways to eliminate the power of the R word is to embrace it - unapologetically. If this happened regularly its power would be gone

Blogger dc.sunsets August 28, 2016 12:25 PM  

Yeah. I'm called a Nazi because I have the temerity to think my culture is superior to the one in overwhelmingly black Englewood. From the Second City Cop blog, quoting a news article:

Chicago rapper King Yella broadcast the aftermath of his own shooting in an Englewood underpass Tuesday evening.

King Yella, 26, whose real name is Cemone Lewis, said in videos posted to social media that he was shooting a "Black Lives Matter video" when a hail of bullets left him with a gunshot wound in his arm and a graze wound in his side.


I say again: if my culture isn't superior to the one saturating Englewood, what am I supposed to believe? Why on Earth would I want to live with or near that?

Blogger The Other Robot August 28, 2016 12:27 PM  

@40: And I believe, based on long experience, 99% of Chinese would say:

I am a racist and so can you

OpenID paworldandtimes August 28, 2016 12:29 PM  

A few people from those other races have signed on in an honest attempt to built World #3

Prominently, first-generation immigrants often did, as Derb illustrated with his recollection of painfully polite and grateful Bangladeshi accountants in 1950s England. But that benevolent attitude never carries over to the next generation.

That aside, #3 was an impossible dream because a full and bilateral disavowal of race necessitates intermarriage -- and where there are stark racial differences, two things happen: (1) at least one party resists mixing on eugenic grounds; and (2) the pattern of intermarriage is uneven in terms of whose males take whose females, which creates sexual rivalry.

PA

OpenID sigsawyer August 28, 2016 12:30 PM  

"I've answered this"

Holy shit, these people are literally insane. His little rabbit brain realized it was trapped so something inside went *click* and suddenly he was right again and everything was just fine and the evil racist was being irrational and making no sense.

Extrapolate. The people who are the best at doing this run our governments, media, and colleges.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 28, 2016 12:32 PM  

The bottom line is: globalism is a process by which the world's best people (Europeans) are being displaced and replaced with the world's worst people (Muslims and Africans), and the Narrative, or Cultural Marxism in general, is the weapon of choice.

Until the Alt-Right came along, there were no effective countermeasures to this.

Blogger Hosswire August 28, 2016 12:34 PM  

Is EVERY belief held by White supremacists automatically invalid?

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 12:34 PM  

Vox, you are as Indian as Elizabeth Warren.

You're an idiot. There is absolutely no denying that I am an American Indian. Nor is it a negligible 1/32nd.

I suggest you look at the pictures of Jim Thorpe, then remember that I am a former NCAA D1 sprinter.

Blogger The Other Robot August 28, 2016 12:35 PM  

#CharlesLedley,Answer!

Blogger guest August 28, 2016 12:38 PM  

The term subspecies is wrong in regards to humans. There are no subspecies of humans in the field of biology. In the field of biology the term is homo sapiens sapiens.

Probably Vox, you need to decide whether you believe in evolution or the written word of God and stick to it. Use bible terms ie "nations"

Genesis 10:32

These are the clans that descended from Noah’s sons, arranged by nation according to their lines of descent. All the nations of the earth descended from these clans after the great flood.

Genesis 17:4 “This is my covenant with you: I will make you the father of a multitude of nations!

Or use biological terminology, and imply evolution. In which there is no significant evidence of subspecies of species H sapiens.

Ken Ham is right.

Blogger Salt August 28, 2016 12:41 PM  

Little Charlie's cowardice is being spread across the Twittersphere. ReTweets and replies are a bitch, huh, Charlie?

Blogger beerme August 28, 2016 12:42 PM  

Shrieking "white supremacist" and "Nazi" won't release the bear trap that is Point 14 once you step into it.

Blogger The Other Robot August 28, 2016 12:42 PM  

Hey, wait a minute Vox, you can't be an Indian, because Indians have more hair

Anonymous Alexamenos August 28, 2016 12:44 PM  

At a diner I frequent a cup of tortilla soup, a medley of salads and a large ice tea comes to exactly $14.88. It's horribly overpriced but I can't help but giggle a little everytime I get the bill.

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 12:48 PM  

Vox, you are as Indian as Elizabeth Warren.

What a gullabull. Hehehe, what a nincowpoop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGD69Q9rz3M

Anonymous Ironsides August 28, 2016 12:48 PM  

Actually, I think the creature did answer it, after a fashion.

The question is, does he support "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

His answer is: "That is a slogan of White Supremacists."

Parsing this, he is obviously opposed to white supremacists. From this, he is automatically opposed to the slogans of white supremacists. From this, he is opposed to the existence of white people and a future for white children.

His answer was "I want you extinct. Trying to survive is evil white supremacy. Die, whitey, die."

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 12:52 PM  

This is OT. But Ken Ham is an idiot. His interpretation of Scripture informs his "scientific" observation. He won't let observation of the general revelation pose questions to his pet theology.

How many light years away is the Andromeda Galaxy? Ken Ham is the very definition of a Churchian.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 28, 2016 12:52 PM  

As I have said for years they cannot answer any questions, rhetoric all the way down for them.

At BUGs we don't want to have them change their mind we want them to admit it and say it louder, easier to discredit and disqualify and to contest the moral level of war.

Blogger Salt August 28, 2016 12:57 PM  

Ironsides wrote:Actually, I think the creature did answer it, after a fashion.

No, he didn't. Your parsing as to what you think is irrelevant to what he never answered.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 1:01 PM  

The term subspecies is wrong in regards to humans. There are no subspecies of humans in the field of biology. In the field of biology the term is homo sapiens sapiens.

So, what do you call an admixture of homo sapiens sapiens and homo neanderthalensis versus a pure homo sapiens sapiens?

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 1:02 PM  

Ken Ham is right.

Ken Ham is a moron. Appealing to him will get you nowhere here.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 1:02 PM  

He did answer in his passive Gamma way. Anyone that asserts or believes in 14 is a Nazi. He is clearly not a Nazi so there is no way for him to even wrongthink long enough to grok the question. In his mind the answer is self evident.

Anonymous BGKB August 28, 2016 1:03 PM  

Related Soros don't like your words http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/27/dcleaks-has-website-shut-down-twitter-suspended-after-releasing-soros-docs/

Looks like (((They))) have infiltrated the Red Cross

"headed back home from the River Center in Baton Rouge volunteering our nursing services Dawn and I have come to the conclusion that neither of us WILL EVER volunteer or donate to the RED CROSS. The Red Cross basically takes over the shelters and starts refusing clothes, donations and various volunteer services UNLESS they are previously contracted. So what does that mean….well, 60 boxes of doughnuts were discarded this morning becuase the delivery vendor was not in contract, hot meals were refused becuase the entity providing wasn’t contracted, and medical supplies including medications were trashed for same reason"

& the govt charged fees to people who rescued others during the Louisiana flooding

"That’s right. The government deployed the police to prevent these good Samaritans that we all wish now were our own neighbors from continuing with their efforts.

Louisiana State Senator Jonathan Perry is the engineer of the licensing requirements.


“Perry said that if members of the Cajun Navy continue on without his legislation, they will be stopped by law enforcement officials from rescuing residents past police barricades…

Under current state law, citizens who cross police perimeters are breaking the law and could face punishment.”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/08/daisy-luther/stop-self-reliance-immediately/

Anonymous FP August 28, 2016 1:14 PM  

@29

"Understanding the concept of rent seeking vs. merit is one of the bigger red pills."

Indeed. I had one in my neighborhood last year pimping green energy (Green mountain energy), carbon credits stuff disguised as "saving the earth by having only solar and wind electricity sent to your house". Just an extra $3.50 a month.

Blogger The Other Robot August 28, 2016 1:18 PM  

The term subspecies is wrong in regards to humans. There are no subspecies of humans in the field of biology. In the field of biology the term is homo sapiens sapiens.

You better go and edit Wikipedia quickly because this is what I found there:

A taxonomist decides whether to recognize a subspecies or not. A common way to decide is that organisms belonging to different subspecies of the same species are capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring, but they do not usually interbreed in nature due to geographic isolation, sexual selection, or other factors.

Hint, Geography prevents most humans from interbreeding with humans who are far away. Thus, Chinese and Bantu people are sub species by that definition.

Blogger James Dixon August 28, 2016 1:36 PM  

> Is EVERY belief held by White supremacists automatically invalid?

To them? Yes. In fact, merely being white renders everything you do automatically racist.

> The term subspecies is wrong in regards to humans. There are no subspecies of humans in the field of biology. In the field of biology the term is homo sapiens sapiens.

Home = genus. Sapiens = species. And the second sapiens is? What exactly?

Blogger Solaire Of Astora August 28, 2016 1:37 PM  

People need to stop taking Genesis so literally. The same God who had human languages confused specifically to limit their progress clearly has no interest in advancing their understanding. If anything, the advancement of science is the dragon's 'gift' to mankind as all invention is the result of the knowledge of good and evil and his promise to be as the gods will be fulfilled by the anti christ. There's no reason to take Genesis literally to the point of throwing away the theory of evolution.

Blogger John Williams August 28, 2016 1:49 PM  

@Solaire, Science much?

Blogger Bard August 28, 2016 1:52 PM  

He never saw your "of course" answer coming. I bet he literally shit his pants on the spot. Kudos man.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 1:56 PM  

He didn't read Point 12.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 2:10 PM  

Remove two words ("our" and "white") and you have a comprehensive, meaningful statement. Otherwise, it's just petty

CL? Why do you hate white people? Why is their continued existence "petty"?

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 2:12 PM  

Remove two words ("our" and "white") and you have a comprehensive, meaningful statement. Otherwise, it's just petty

Apparently, you desire more dicks of color up your ass than Milo.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 28, 2016 2:14 PM  

Having to defend point #14 sounds completely insane to me because critics of it are engaging in a blatant application of a double standard. Here is what I mean: I am a Black man and it is common for folks like me to articulate, word for word, point #14 but replacing the word "white" with "Black". The white liberal will not only give me a "pass" but exalt well known Black folks for saying the SAME EXACT THING (i.e.. Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey, Willie Ricks).

This election cycle is one for the ages for it has brought to the surface the extreme contradictories upon which Leftist/ SJW ideology is based. When Roosh said the Leftist narrative is in collapse, I didn't take him seriously. My bad.

Anonymous CL August 28, 2016 2:15 PM  

"Apparently, you desire more dicks of color up your ass than Milo."

\\\Wyrd///...12 words!!!

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 2:18 PM  

(((CL))) wins the Olympic gold medal in window licking.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 2:23 PM  

"CL? Why do you hate white people? Why is their continued existence "petty"?"

I never saw that coming!! I feel, I feel....Totally humiliated.

Let's rephrase. Do you think it is racist and/or bigoted for whites to want to preserve their race and culture? Easy enough question to answer.

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 2:23 PM  

\\\Deez Nutz (on CL's chin)!///

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 2:27 PM  

CL wrote:Remove two words ("our" and "white") and you have a comprehensive, meaningful statement. Otherwise, it's just petty
The word "our" does not appear in the statement.
The word White appears because there are a LOT or (((people))) working overtime to ensure that White people are eliminated and that there is no future for White children.

Would you call it petty if the words "Hutu" or "Native American" appeared in place of "White"

Blogger The Other Robot August 28, 2016 2:27 PM  

Why does Coitus Limitus come around here with his crap?

Anonymous Instasetting August 28, 2016 2:30 PM  

The word 'species' is problematic as its without certain definition. The Biblical 'kind' is more accurate. However, 'subspecies' is accurate enough for gov't work.

Also, a Biblical Creationist will tend to believe in evolution. That is, devolution, from the genetic perfection of Adam down to the Patriarchs down to Joseph who paraphrased said...Alas, I suck, for I am a wimp compared to my fathers being only a hundred and twenty years old, and dying.

Later, as genetic entropy gathered steam, we get to threescore and ten.

On his key points, Ken Ham is dead on accurate. Like every member of the subspecies that he and Vox inhabit, that of thinking for oneself and being bright, he probably has some outlandish views as well.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 2:32 PM  

Your non-answer is an answer, CL: "yes."

But to continue, regardless of racial percentages, is it racist or bigoted for blacks to want to preserve their race or culture? Indians? The Japanese?

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin August 28, 2016 2:37 PM  

There are those who oppose “the existence of white people and a future for white children” per se, but there are others who merely oppose the rigid racial segregation, hypodescent, and anti-miscegenation laws that it requires.

Outside of Europe, the racial/cultural/ethnic identity of Whiteness is extremely fragile. A sense of identity that is destroyed forever by a single drop of black blood is destined for paranioa and extinction when transplanted into a vibrant, non-native environment.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 2:39 PM  

It might be. You need to examine the person and their intent making the claim. Either way, however, it's a very petty statement.

So if a white person with good intent makes the claim, it wouldn't be racist and/or bigoted for him to want to preserve his race or culture?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 2:41 PM  

CL wrote:That's a fair question. But it's a question that really needs to be unpacked. How does one determine if one is of the "black" or "white" or any other race? Is it a matter of percentages, for example? Vox is Native American, right? How much? Too much to be white? And culture, what is "white culture"? The statement itself may just be nonsense. However, the "12 Words" is a perfect statement.

Oh, For Fuck's Sake, not this bullshit again.

"What is a White Child? What is race? There is no 'White Culture'!"

Look, we realize that you've been indoctrinated with those questions as a rote response to shut down all thought whenever something comes close to breaking The Narrative. The problem is they are nonsense.

Think for more than 20 seconds.

You're White if Whites accept you as White. You're Black if Blacks accept you as Black.

White culture is Honesty, Integrity, Honor, Self-Control, Chastity and Future Orientation.

Pull your head out of your cunt and think.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 2:42 PM  

CL wrote:It's my policy to ignore the person that tosses a non sequitur into a conversation because the person doing so is almost always a tosser and a troll. So, move along. I won't be responding to your non sequitur.
Please identify the 'non-sequitur'.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 28, 2016 2:45 PM  

@83
There are certainly varying cultures to which particular races are reared in and drawn to. At the same time, a particular culture may not be populated by persons of a particular race. Speaking from my own experiences, "Black culture" is inhabited by folks who are not Black but we consider them to be "Black" and they consider themselves to be "Black" but in a cultural sense. Insofar as "white" culture is concerned, it does exist. Black folks will be quick to characterize other Black folks as being culturally white. There is such a thing as a noticeable "white" accent possessed by Black folks.

My entire point is to identify the idea that race and culture have a correlation but membership within a given culture is not totally dependent upon race. I remember this Italian kid I knew. He grew up in my neighborhood and everyone considered him Black even though he had blonde hair and blue eyes. He frequently used the term "niggas" as a pronoun and none of us thought anything about it because he was "Black". And found no problem with using that word because he identified as "Black" though he knew himself to be a blonde haired, blue eyed white dude of Italian descent.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 2:45 PM  

What's "good intent". Without having anything from out as to what percentage of ethnic heritage is necessary for one's race to be clearly identified and without any information from you about what constitutes a "white culture" I can tell you that it's most likely that the statement is simply petty and myopic.

Let's make it fun. Use "good intent" as how you would define it, one percent or more of the ethnic heritage, and what you personally would agree is culture. Would someone who met this criteria be a racist and/or bigoted if they wanted to preserve their race or culture?

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 2:46 PM  

But it's a question that really needs to be unpacked.

Whenever I hear the word 'unpacked' I release the safety on my Browning.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 2:49 PM  

CL wrote:@90:

Shhhhhhh! Be quiet. You are being ignored for being a tosser and a troll.


Lol, no, I'm being dismissed because you have no counter argument. You've lost so you pretend superiority, like you're the fucking school marm of Vox Popoli School for Cucks.

You're either a woman or a Gamma.

What a pathetic display. Dishonesty, posing, sneering, and idiocy all in one thoroughly unpleasant package. how do you do it?

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 2:50 PM  

...a tosser and a troll

CL self-defining, ladies and gentlemen.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 2:50 PM  

Also, second chance, please identify the 'non-sequitur'.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 2:54 PM  

Rules of the blog, #2
"... If you are asked a direct question relevant to the topic, then you will be expected to answer it in a straightforward and non-evasive manner..."

Anonymous gxg August 28, 2016 2:56 PM  

How do you know if you're white?

Easy. Your kids are ineligible for affirmative action and shamed for their so-called privilege.

Black Kids Get Cupcakes, White Kids Get Shamed

Anonymous Eric the Red August 28, 2016 2:58 PM  

Typical leftist subversive tactic from troll CL...

Keep dancing around definitions all night long instead of responding directly to questions. Affect a bogus demeanor of calm intellectual superiority, while saying essentially nothing of any substance. Frustrate logical discussion by bogging it down with trivialities and unsupported assertions.

Forwarned is forarmed. Once you know their bag of trite little tricks, you can dismiss them.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 28, 2016 3:02 PM  

His answer was "I want you extinct. Trying to survive is evil white supremacy. Die, whitey, die."

Yep, pretty much. If I ask you the question "Should I be able to work to secure a future for my children?" and you give me any answer other than "Yes, absolutely." then the obvious conclusion is you're a threat to my children and I should treat you as such.

So, CL. Should I be able to work to secure a future for my children?

Anonymous Eric the Red August 28, 2016 3:03 PM  

Also re trolls like CL..

She will dissemble forever here about her true intentions, but in some other venue when it comes time to show support for La Raza or BLM, she'll be right on.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 3:08 PM  

On his key points, Ken Ham is dead on accurate.

On his key points he ignores physics, geology, history and anthropology. Also, he gets handily destroyed by Asperger's extraordinare (Hugh Ross) who mops the floor with his pet doctrines without breaking a sweat.

When your science boils down to, "That's what I believe the Bible says." You are out of ammo.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 3:11 PM  

So your non-answer, again, CL, is your answer: "yes."

I'll go out on a limb and predict if we thrashed this some more you would say race and culture are "social constructs" on this forum but wouldn't find them so on a left-wing one in a discussion of blacks or Hispanics. Maybe we can work that through later.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 3:12 PM  

It's my policy to ignore the person that tosses a non sequitur into a conversation because the person doing so is almost always a tosser and a troll. So, move along. I won't be responding to your non sequitur.

My policy is that you're banned and spammed. You won't be responding to anyone at all.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 28, 2016 3:14 PM  

"Let's rephrase. Do you think it is racist and/or bigoted for whites to want to preserve their race and culture? Easy enough question to answer."

That's a fair question. But it's a question that really needs to be unpacked.


Most amusing. I was just exploring this kind of thing.

...By this idiot's standards it's hyper racist to say, "Whites have a right to exist."

No, seriously. They can't bring themselves to say that without swallowing or outright panicking. The typical response if pressed it to deflect and say something like, "ALL people have a right to exist." They spin, twirl, pirouette, two-step and side step and in general dance flittingly around the question. They dissect it, examine under a microscope, dissolve it in acid...in short they do everything except answer the fucking question.

This is the acid test of the Cuckservative. Can he even say the words, "Whites have a right to exist?" In the end a Cuckservative simply can't because a Lefty would regard that statement as racist. In their hearts the Cuckservative will always accept the Lefty paradigm as a starting point.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 3:16 PM  

What is white?

If you are walking through South Chicongo and a group of vibrant diversity expresses the sentiment "Get dat YT!" You may be white.

Of course being wise enough to forgo such a scenario makes you a white supremacist. Self-preservation for the genetic formulation which must not be named is evil.

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 3:22 PM  

This is a typical leftist, boazian rhetorical tactic: demand more and more precision around a topic to bog down the discussion and drive it beyond the proper level of precision that Aristotle warned us about. High trust truth seekers almost always take the bait, which is what makes it such an effective trap.

This is why the appropriate response is trolling: rhetorically reaching for your browning and unloading.

Which is why the left is confounded by the alt-right.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 3:23 PM  

VD wrote:My policy is that you're banned and spammed. You won't be responding to anyone at all.

Dammit Vox, we were having fun.
Oh well, s/he was annoying as all get out.

Anonymous Instasetting August 28, 2016 3:27 PM  

Arthur Isaac, I will be glad to destroy Evolution, and not even mention the Bible. But it will have to be elsewhere otherwise we trespass on our host's rules.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 3:31 PM  

A sense of identity that is destroyed forever by a single drop of black blood is destined for paranioa and extinction when transplanted into a vibrant, non-native environment.

So this "vibrant, non-native environment" is Africa?

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 3:35 PM  

@35 dc.sunsets
Who does Charles Hedley associate with? What style does he use?
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He's obviously a practitioner of the AIDS Skrillex & Carl the Cuck method of arguing.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 3:36 PM  

@Instasetting, I'm not an evolutionist.

Rhetorical question: How many light years away is the Andromeda Galaxy?

Blogger synp August 28, 2016 3:42 PM  

I think "secure the existence of white people" is as offensive or not as "black lives matter"

Blogger Josh August 28, 2016 3:43 PM  

We must secure the existence of southron people and a future for southron children

Blogger Tracy Coyle August 28, 2016 3:43 PM  

@35 I think #3 is a failure because of progressive whites, the minorities that do care about their race/national identity (non-US), happily take advantage of it.

If, as a white person, you stand for BLM then White lives matter too - otherwise you are a racist, specifically self-hater. Of course Blacks support BLM, except those - I assume very few - that either are self-haters or those that are honest saying WLM too.

I can't say that BLM except in the context of #3, I really don't care. I think the fate of white people is dependent upon white people - and the Left in general and progressives in particular are seeking EXACTLY what Jones wants - mongrels, mutts.

I'd accept (and this may make me non-grata) the best of any race into the US, but I certainly oppose the poor, ignorant, anti-white, anti-secular, masses the Left seems intent upon bringing in vast numbers.

There are a fair number of whites that I'd oppose being allowed to breed, educate or lead in this country...being European and Christian and for the rule of law is NOT enough to secure the blessings...(there is an entire Church in this country with those nominal characteristics....)

Whites have a right to exist. And it is our (MY) responsibility, in the face of efforts to eradicate us, to prevent it. However, if whites, via low birth rates, Progressive white efforts, slide towards extinction or irrelevance, it is on us.

I keep looking to VD's list and feeling vaguely 'off' about it. I haven't been able to pin it down, but the commentary here is helping me narrow down on specifics. Largely in support....

As to the claims of white supremacy or other crap, I don't care what others think...

Anonymous Moonbear August 28, 2016 3:45 PM  

Speaking of Black lives matter, should they not be alt-right if they want their own nation state?
The whole "And you pays for it!" part is daft though.

Anonymous JAG August 28, 2016 3:57 PM  

Moonbear wrote:Speaking of Black lives matter, should they not be alt-right if they want their own nation state?


Can you find one example of a BLM black activist that supports an all white nation for white people? Until then, no, BLM cannot be considered Alt-Right.

I'm fully in support of the BLM people getting their own all black country. The USA even already set one up just for them. It's called Liberia. I'd even support welfare dollars being spent on their trips so long as it is one way only. No coming back because you got what you wished for, and found out you really didn't want what you thought you wanted.

Anonymous Instasetting August 28, 2016 3:58 PM  

Arthur Isaac,
2.5 million lightyears.

Please carry on with the entirely predictable question.

Also, if you are not an Evo, what are you?

And I'd like it noted, that I'm trying to follow the rules.

Blogger True Man August 28, 2016 3:58 PM  

He fell into the trap, didn't know it until it was too late, then gave up when he realized that he was bested and out of options. Excellent example, Vox!

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 28, 2016 4:07 PM  

The 14 words - acid test, or litmus test? Both?

That statement can be seen as summing up all the previous statements.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 4:11 PM  

Also, if you are not an Evo, what are you?

Bored.

Anonymous BGKB August 28, 2016 4:13 PM  

affirmative action and shamed for their so-called privilege...Black Kids Get Cupcakes, White Kids Get Shamed

Jokes on them they helped those black kids get diabetes.

CL"Apparently, you desire more dicks of color up your ass than Milo."\\\Wyrd///...12 words!!!

He drank the kool aid of the black size myth.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 28, 2016 4:16 PM  

Yo! The Black Lives Matter "thingy". That is a faction within the Black community. I'll concede the point that BLM appears to have much sway over popular Black culture. That's a fair point. However, I am asking you guys to speak of those BLM schmucks as a faction. Some of us want no association with those people. I'm not "Tomming", I'm just tryna' establish ideological boundaries. Indeed I am in the minority insofar as the Black community is concerned BUT I've been trying to distance myself from this faction since the mid 1980s. Don't put all of us in that basket. Organizations like BLM do HUGE damage to Black people. Once again, I understand the sway BLM has over popular Black culture but just understand there are Black dissidents. It's kinda like the way dissident libertarians despise Reason Magazine and the Libertarian Party. I make the effort to understand and grasp these libertarian factions.

Just my two cents which, adjusted for inflation, is equal to less than one cent.

Blogger rumpole5 August 28, 2016 4:17 PM  

I have learned not to plant Tradescantia Serbian (Wandering Jew) in the same bed with any other small plant. The WJ is so vigorous that it always crowds out anything else. I think that Mr. Ledley is reluctant to concede a future for whites because he fears a similar process. Isn't he the actual white supremacist?

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 4:18 PM  

Instasetting, my position is similar to Hugh Ross's in this regard. If you are curious read him yourself. I also recommend his debates from the John Ankerberg show. I don't argue about this stuff anymore.

Anonymous Moonbear August 28, 2016 4:20 PM  

@112 JAG
I haven't really looked for them.
They will never fall for the Liberia "trick" because they believe the leftist narrative that magic dirt is the sole reason for prosperity in the USA.
It might be necessary to split the USA to achieve the desired alt-right future.

Anonymous Instasetting August 28, 2016 4:22 PM  

Arthur Isaac, if I have to answer your dumb question, you have to answer mine. BTW, its a liberal tell to avoid labelling yourself. Its what people do when they know they're in trouble.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 4:29 PM  

if I have to answer your dumb question, you have to answer mine.

I'm not sure why you think you had to answer my question when I specifically labeled it as rhetorical.

I avoid labelling myself because it isn't my job to package myself for some thought policeman's pigeonhole.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 28, 2016 4:29 PM  

Of course Blacks support BLM, except those - I assume very few - that either are self-haters...

Nonsense. BLM isn't a philosophical statement, it's a political movement. Blacks can disagree with the politics of BLM without being self-hating.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 28, 2016 4:34 PM  

@124
Thank you.

Anonymous BGKB August 28, 2016 4:46 PM  

Nonsense. BLM isn't a philosophical statement, it's a political movement. Blacks can disagree

BLM if funded by SOROS, he gaye $33 million to fund riots. How far down from those that pull the strings is the first black with the power to make a decision about anything in the group? It didn't take long when I was a healthcare traveler to (((notice))) it was always a jewish lesbian gatekeeper that was in control of the free kool aid for each gay community.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 28, 2016 4:50 PM  

(Only) Black Lives Matter looks like just another reboot of the old Black Panthers. Definitely a faction within the black American community.

Anyone who thinks (O)BLM speaks for all black Americans, bear in mind they are press pets, Soros funded press pets. Just like a lot of other groups.

Anonymous Instasetting August 28, 2016 5:26 PM  

What are you? And that's not rhetorical.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 5:41 PM  

OEC and bored. Now you need to run along and do your own homework. I've done mine.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 5:42 PM  

@118 Al From Bay Shore

Don't put all of us in that basket. Organizations like BLM do HUGE damage to Black people
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I hear ya

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 5:45 PM  

@126 BGKB

BLM if funded by SOROS, he gaye $33 million to fund riots. How far down from those that pull the strings is the first black with the power to make a decision about anything in the group?
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That is true, BLM is a Soros op. It's up to black people to expose it among themselves, as most of the alt-right already know about it.

Blogger Tracy Coyle August 28, 2016 5:52 PM  

@124 and @125 "...or those that are honest saying WLM too"

Al, I grew up in West Englewood and Westlawn. Many of the Blacks that first moved into those communities were trying to get away from the culture of violence that infects the black community...

Blogger Cecil Henry August 28, 2016 6:12 PM  

HE answered all right.

White Genocide is fine. He's anti-White.

This is exactly how you address anti-Whites. Make them ANSWER. They won't, because they what it means.

He despises OTHER White people, especially those who disagree with him.

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2016 6:20 PM  

I think it works well rhetorically to say that you're an Indian. But it is possible to be both an Indian and a white supremacist. I am white and believe in black supremacy in the 100-yard dash, for instance.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 28, 2016 6:40 PM  

@132
My family moved from Brooklyn (the Bed Stuy section) to Suffolk County after a break-in. We were next to Wyandanch and my dad saw the Carver Park section, and decided it was good. Over time, "The 'Danch" got hood. By the late 80s we got broken into. Pops moved to a nice section of a city in the South after he retired. I too went South. I intentionally moved to a middle class Black neighborhood for cultural reasons. In the first few years we had several break-ins (middle class Black neighborhoods are frequently surrounded by "hood"). Pops be like "you should buy a home in a white neighborhood because it is easier to sell." I've resisted that. My ego won't allow the assimilation of this idea. Pops lives in a mixed neighborhood and he's had no break-ins. I've had three in addition to mofos I've seen casing my home (I almost shot one of those mofos). At some point I have to give Pops some credit but I am determined to say to him "Yo!, we pulled it off. Give me some props." I'm rambling but I wrote all this because it is a nice anecdote that connects with your reply to me.

Blogger Nigel McPhearson August 28, 2016 6:45 PM  

Since he insisted he'd answered the question I asked him to define "answer". He blocked me. Such the perfect SJW answer.

Blogger residentMoron August 28, 2016 7:01 PM  

@Lovekraft

It's not a white first policy position. That's the irony; it's simply making explicit that white peoples have the same rights to survive aa anyone. In other words it's more equal than the equalitarianism of the left today.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 28, 2016 7:02 PM  

Speaking of, ahem, "Black" people, Colin Kaepernick wants to be able to claim he got cut for some other reason besides being a crappy QB.

Blogger Daniel August 28, 2016 7:09 PM  

I'd like to see how long a life a private school has without white students

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 7:10 PM  

I think it works well rhetorically to say that you're an Indian. But it is possible to be both an Indian and a white supremacist. I am white and believe in black supremacy in the 100-yard dash, for instance.

Logically, sure. But not in the Left's rhetorical sense.

More importantly, I DON'T believe in white supremacy. I have lived in Japan and been conversational in Japanese. I have great respect for both its culture and Chinese culture. While I prefer Western culture, there are many aspects of its current version that I consider distinctly inferior.

Blogger Daniel August 28, 2016 7:13 PM  

In Argentina we would say "Idiotas útiles" (useful idiots). Left loves them and they are dangerous af. They don't have loyalty, though. They dissapear when wind changes or money runs out

Anonymous Instasetting August 28, 2016 7:39 PM  

Arthur, since I've written a novel making fun of evolution, I'll say I've done my homework. And you're an evo, probably of the 'God Did It' variety.

And you're not bored. You engaged in two cheap shots, and then realized you might get whomped, and affected a pose.

Anonymous andon August 28, 2016 7:46 PM  

138. Anonymous Jack Amok August 28, 2016 7:02 PM
Speaking of, ahem, "Black" people, Colin Kaepernick wants to be able to claim he got cut for some other reason besides being a crappy QB.


did he get cut already?

acc to Yahoo Sports what he said was meant to "start a conversation"

Anonymous andon August 28, 2016 7:51 PM  

126. Anonymous BGKB August 28, 2016 4:46 PM
Nonsense. BLM isn't a philosophical statement, it's a political movement. Blacks can disagree

BLM if funded by SOROS, he gaye $33 million to fund riots.


under a normal administration doesn't this guy go to jail?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 28, 2016 7:54 PM  

@139
My wife and I sent our daughter to an all Black private school. We liked it. The kids were great. In all fairness, the private school was a Christian school. When the baby (our child) became a pre-teen we sent her to a charter school. The cost of the all Black Christian school was too much, and their instruction in math was not to our standards and so there were several reasons why we went to a charter school. There is more to this story but we are doing what we have to do in the pursuit of survival for our daughter.

Blogger Tracy Coyle August 28, 2016 7:57 PM  

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Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 8:06 PM  

And you're not bored. You engaged in two cheap shots, and then realized you might get whomped, and affected a pose.

Whomped by the guy that doesn't understand the point of a rhetorical question? That doesn't seem to understand that the nature of the question was to short circuit this wholly boring track of nonsense? Predictable? Yep, the whole topic is a thoroughly beaten dead horse. But somehow you are going to "whomp me" and I am the poseur?

What next? You try to convince me I'm an evolutionist and that I am wrong for being something I am not? Tedious and OT.

Blogger tz August 28, 2016 8:12 PM  

This is a really key point.
If the Alt Right bans abortion, divorce, and non-widow single motherhood for whites (Christendom), I'm all for it.
If the blacks, jews, and others think it is their right to kill their babies or raise feral, irresponsible children, and destroy their families, I'm not going to rush into hell to save them.

I'm content to ask others, is it ok if we ban abortion and divorce just for whites?

The Churchians and Cuckservatives have the blood of 55 million dead innocents on their hands. They not only have failed to stop it, they have been neutral on every effort if not opposed because it was too harsh, or quibbled about rape (Hitler needs to have somewhere to send rapists so we need to keep Auschwitz open until we find a better solution).

(Footnote: OK, the three As, adultery, abuse, or abandonment would allow for divorce but I didn't want to type "no-fault" everywhere).

Anonymous Instasetting August 28, 2016 8:17 PM  

On his key points he ignores physics, geology, history and anthropology. Also, he gets handily destroyed by Asperger's extraordinare (Hugh Ross) who mops the floor with his pet doctrines without breaking a sweat.

When your science boils down to, "That's what I believe the Bible says." You are out of ammo.
========
This is blatantly inaccurate. Even if you don't like or agree with Ken Ham, this is still nonsense on stilts.

You're the guy who responded to me with your attempt at a hit and run or cheap shot.

And you say you're not afraid. Well, you gave forth a challenge, and I jumped up and waved my hand, and suddenly you're 'bored'. Yeah....that doesn't really sell that well.

No, I'm not trying to convince you that you're an evo. I'm counting coup.

Blogger ZhukovG August 28, 2016 8:42 PM  

Let me admit, unequivocally, that I was wrong to suggest a change of wording to point 14. It is exactly as it should be.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 28, 2016 9:20 PM  

did he [Kaepernick] get cut already?

No, but odds are he will be - if not this year, then next. Only now, he can claim it's because he stood up to the White Man, instead of because he's a worse QB than Blaine Gabbert.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 9:23 PM  

Let me admit, unequivocally, that I was wrong to suggest a change of wording to point 14. It is exactly as it should be.

Sooner or later, people usually come to grasp that I know what I'm doing.

Anonymous SciVo August 28, 2016 9:28 PM  

tz wrote:I'm content to ask others, is it ok if we ban abortion and divorce just for whites?

Sure. But we need to be clear on the problem and ban Marriage 2.0 (as Dalrock calls it), in which children belong to the state, and parents only get default custodianship as long as they both agree. Any proper family court reform would have that effect, by definition of improving the statistical life outcomes of children; but it must be a clear, firm, and shared intentional goal, in order to defeat the vast Powers of this world arrayed against it.

Anonymous SciVo August 28, 2016 9:36 PM  

I'm changing my answer: we should reform the system for everyone, and if other races don't like it then they can leave. Our current system is so disordered that it incentivizes grave sins, and it would be wrong to let it stay that way for non-whites. If they would have a sick culture, then they can have it in their own lands. Not here.

Blogger Phil Mann August 28, 2016 10:26 PM  

Sooner or later, people usually come to grasp that I know what I'm doing.

No kidding.

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Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 11:22 PM  

@Instasetting, Have you watched the video? It really sounds like you haven't: https://youtu.be/uNDzt84PcYA

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 11:22 PM  

This is blatantly inaccurate. Even if you don't like or agree with Ken Ham, this is still nonsense on stilts.

And yet, unlike Ham, I'm not the one insisting that my theological understanding is more immutable than speed of light.

Blogger tublecane August 29, 2016 12:15 AM  

@105-The rape exception is vile, and a product of conservatism's favorite pastime: meeting the left halfway. It's a half-choice position, designed to answer the propertarian argument, or the Argument from Inconvenience. "Why should I be forced to care for this unwanted person inside my body?" says the murderess. "Because you consented to sex," says Conservatism, Esq. But she can't consent to rape, so that argument doesn't work, so we agree to murder the products of rape.

In this case the child is like an intruder, and killing in defense of property is one of the one form of justifiable homicide. I don't think you can just sneak up on a squatter in your house and shoot him in the back of the head. But let's pretend you can. At least trespassers are in the commission of a felony. Fetuses are incapable of committing crimes, so far as I know. They're innocent. So we're back to killing for convenience.

But people don't like the idea of forcing rape victims to carry the spawn of their attackers within them for nine months. They don't appear to care about forcing a baby to die because of its parentage.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 29, 2016 3:42 AM  

Zoinism = Racism usually shuts them right up.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 29, 2016 3:42 AM  

Zoinism = Racism usually shuts them right up.

Anonymous BGKB August 29, 2016 10:49 AM  

Steve Sailors latest: Too many jews jawing Israel http://www.unz.com/isteve/jerusalem-post-will-too-many-israeli-children-lead-to-demographic-disaster/

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 29, 2016 1:59 PM  

Arthur Isaac wrote:Ham is an idiot. His interpretation of Scripture informs his "scientific" observation. He won't let observation of the general revelation pose questions to his pet theology.
If he had no followers or sympathizers, I would probably still call myself a Christian.  But they were completing their takeover of my church's education when I went through it, and that did it for me.

I have often wondered what Objectivism would look like if it had a process of scientific inquiry and revision instead of being just another dogma.  Now I wonder what Christianity would look like if it had e.g. said "hey, what if Darwin is right?" and at least worked on digging into the matter and its theological implications instead of a large fraction declaring outright "I didn't come from no monkey".

Anonymous Avalanche August 29, 2016 2:22 PM  

@132 "Blacks that first moved into those communities were trying to get away from the culture of violence that infects the black community..."

Blacks are ALWAYS trying to move away from (other) blacks and move in with ("on" {frown}) Whites! And then they BRING Black -- culture, ideas, ways of living, crime, low IQ, bad time preference and and and and... and they DESTROY the White places they moved to!

This comment from another place always hits me in the right place:
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I don't mourn the loss of Baltimore. Or Detroit, Chicago, Gary, Atlanta, etc. etc. etc. It is ultimately a huge benefit to have Negroes concentrated in these huge teeming Petri dishes.

As always, I advocate the complete White withdrawal from these horrible urban shitholes, and, as always, I advocate that since Negroes do not want to be policed, to immediately stop policing them.

And to anyone who might be naive enough to say, "Hey, there are good people in those neighborhoods, who try to work and raise their kids, who obey the law, and who abhor the lawlessness and rioting as much as anyone"?

My response is that these same IKAGO's voted for a Negro president, for Negro mayors, Negro city council members, Negro police chiefs and Negro school superintendents, and now they are getting exactly what they deserve, good and effing hard.

I have ZERO sympathy for blacks.
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I DO feel sorry for "the good Blacks" -- but NOT sorry enough that I want a single one of them moving into my White neighborhood! They need to clean up their own damned race AND stay the hell away from mine!

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 29, 2016 2:26 PM  

Mr. Rational, Hugh Ross may be your man. In particular read his testimony. An Aspergers journey to God through textual analysis would be how I would describe it. Not everyone's cup of tea.

Blogger OldFan August 29, 2016 6:18 PM  

But he did answer the question: "It's a well known White Supremacist slogan."

For those unable to reason it is a completely sufficient response. He genuinely thinks he answered the question and his inability to think otherwise is not a tactic, it is a mental condition!

That why we do not care what they think or say: we are opposed by a form of madness.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 29, 2016 6:31 PM  

Arthur Isaac wrote:I have a white male co-worker who regularly adopts the Narrative, he mocks whites and white culture. One day this summer he was in the middle of a vitriolic diatribe and I just looked at him and asked "Why do you hate whites so much?"

It stopped him cold and he's not puking narrative everywhere. Even though this looks like a fairly nominal internet skirmish Vox, I think you did some serious damage here. When they get called out like this they must either titrate the Narrative or double down and expose themselves for the haters they are.


Attack: You're a racist! /misogynist/etc.
Reply: "Why do you hate whites so much?" "Why do you hate white people?" "Why do you hate white men so much?"

Agreed on these Vox Day internet teaching moments. This one is to be studied like some new piece of machinery that parachuted in from elsewhere.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 29, 2016 7:01 PM  

OldFan wrote:But he did answer the question: "It's a well known White Supremacist slogan."

For those unable to reason it is a completely sufficient response. He genuinely thinks he answered the question and his inability to think otherwise is not a tactic, it is a mental condition!

That why we do not care what they think or say: we are opposed by a form of madness.



You're too kind. He (who is this, btw?) did not fulfill a contract that he had proposed and entered into on his own volition. He reneged, he weaseled, like this:

Request for performance:
Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Answer the question. What part of it do you oppose? All of it? None of it?

Proposed contract, or bargain:
Charles Ledley‏@ialmctt
I'll answer it if you acknowledge that it's a well known white supremacist slogan. Do you acknowledge that?

Vox Day implicitly accepts the contract by fulfilling his end of the bargain:
Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
Of course. That's why it is point 14. Now, answer the question. Do you support all of the 14 words, some of them, or none of them?

SJW immediately reneges, a breach of contract:
Charles Ledley ‏@ialmctt
I've answered this.

So that's one way to out these creatures.
SJWs cannot be contracted. They cannot be trusted to hold up their end of the bargain. SJWs always betray.

Blogger SirHamster August 29, 2016 10:28 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:Now I wonder what Christianity would look like if it had e.g. said "hey, what if Darwin is right?" and at least worked on digging into the matter and its theological implications instead of a large fraction declaring outright "I didn't come from no monkey".

Why do you expect people descended from monkeys to not act like monkeys?

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 29, 2016 11:01 PM  

Moonbear wrote:They will never fall for the Liberia "trick" because they believe the leftist narrative that magic dirt is the sole reason for prosperity in the USA.
So don't ask them to "fall".  Take away da gibs except for those who go there.  Put them in pre-established villages of container housing.  Plant plenty of maize, cassava, yams and weed for them to enjoy and fight over.  Let nature take its course.

tublecane wrote:In this case the child is like an intruder, and killing in defense of property is one of the one form of justifiable homicide. I don't think you can just sneak up on a squatter in your house and shoot him in the back of the head.
A squatter is one thing, a home invader is another.  In most jurisdictions you can kill a home invader without any further ado; the only criterion is that they are coming in uninvited while you are home.  While you're alive, you're always "at home" in your body.

At least trespassers are in the commission of a felony. Fetuses are incapable of committing crimes, so far as I know. They're innocent.
The insane are incapable of criminal intent, but they can still cause deadly danger.  It is lawful to kill someone who is threatening you with danger without first ascertaining that they are doing it intentionally.  If they were insane and therefore innocent... well, sucks for them that society doesn't have the network of insane asylums which once kept most of them out of such situations.

Pregnancy can be dangerous, even deadly.

They don't appear to care about forcing a baby to die because of its parentage.
Sucks for it that it tried to take up residence uninvited.  For some reason, with a few notable exceptions like frozen embryos, pro-lifers are unwilling to adopt them and raise them beginning some months before term.  If they only would, the whole issue would evaporate.

SirHamster wrote:Why do you expect people descended from monkeys to not act like monkeys?
Because they are no more monkeys than gorillas and bonobos are.  They've become something different.  In what respects they differ is a matter of how their natures changed.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 29, 2016 11:26 PM  

They've become something different.

They're magically delicious! Has anyone explained the math of evolution to you?

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 31, 2016 1:15 AM  

Arthur Isaac wrote:They're magically delicious! Has anyone explained the math of evolution to you?
I'm tired of creatonut math.  It's always the same exercise in spot-the-fraud.

I'm sure people have tried to explain speciation to you (and especially how one parent species can produce two or more new ones), but you've been immunized against the science by the aforementioned line of dezinformatzia.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 31, 2016 2:52 AM  

"There are no subspecies of humans in the field of biology"

A political determination, not a scientific one. For example: the human species encompasses a broader range of genetic diversity than the entire canid group of all breeds of dogs + wolves + coyotes. It is a trivial exercise to find multiple species with less genetic variation than humans, which nonetheless have 6, or 7, or 8 subspecies recognized by the omniscient, objective evaluation of modern science.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 31, 2016 10:42 AM  

No, just math. Science as opposed to ideology. Thanks for answering my question.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 31, 2016 1:38 PM  

"There are no subspecies of humans in the field of biology"

A political determination, not a scientific one. For example: the human species encompasses a broader range of genetic diversity than the entire canid group of all breeds of dogs + wolves + coyotes. It is a trivial exercise to find multiple species with less genetic variation than humans, which nonetheless have 6, or 7, or 8 subspecies recognized by the omniscient, objective evaluation of modern science.

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