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Thursday, August 25, 2016

ISIS is good for the Jews?

Therefore, don't destroy it, protect it from Russia, Syria, and Iran:
According to a think tank that does contract work for NATO and the Israeli government, the West should not destroy ISIS, the fascist Islamist extremist group that is committing genocide and ethnically cleansing minority groups in Syria and Iraq.

Why? The so-called Islamic State “can be a useful tool in undermining” Iran, Hezbollah, Syria and Russia, argues the think tank’s director.

“The continuing existence of IS serves a strategic purpose,” wrote Efraim Inbar in “The Destruction of Islamic State Is a Strategic Mistake,” a paper published on Aug. 2.

By cooperating with Russia to fight the genocidal extremist group, the United States is committing a “strategic folly” that will “enhance the power of the Moscow-Tehran-Damascus axis,” Inbar argued, implying that Russia, Iran and Syria are forming a strategic alliance to dominate the Middle East.

“The West should seek the further weakening of Islamic State, but not its destruction,” he added. “A weak IS is, counterintuitively, preferable to a destroyed IS.”

Inbar, an influential Israeli scholar, is the director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, a think tank that says its mission is to advance “a realist, conservative, and Zionist agenda in the search for security and peace for Israel.”
I think someone needs to explain the concept of "optics" to this guy. Does he really think it is a good idea for Israel to publicly ally with Islamic State? The Europeans are already less than entirely keen on Israel, and more and more Americans are beginning to question whether the Jews in their midst are on their side or not.

Coming out as ISIS allies strikes me as utter madness. But I'm not the strategic expert. The great Israeli military historian, and Castalia House author, Martin van Creveld is. It would be interesting to know what he makes of this, as he has written forcefully of how to fight Daesh.

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64 Comments:

Anonymous 'Urwah ibn al-Zubayr ibn al-'Awwam al-Asadi August 25, 2016 5:30 AM  

What's interesting is if you delve back into the early history of Islam and their warfare you will see a lot of Jewish and Arab tribes side by side.

Blogger synp August 25, 2016 5:31 AM  

Seems like a very short-sighted "enemy of my enemy" argument. OTOH keeping both sides of any conflict weak enough so that neither can defeat the other has been a cornerstone of American foreign policy for decades.

The thing is that a disrupted Syrian regime becomes more dependent on Iran, not less and that is "bad for the Jews" not good. The best case scenario for Israel is a stable regime in both Syria and Iraq because stable regimes have a lot to lose and don't tend to start wars.

This is very different from the interests of Israel 50 years ago where a stable regime was a potential for conventional war. It is also different from the US interests where a chaotic Syria prevents both Iran and Turkey from becoming too dominant in the Middle East.

Blogger synp August 25, 2016 5:38 AM  

Also, other researchers at the Begin-Saadat Center think differently:
http://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/islamic-state-wiped/
http://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/raqqa-delenda-est-baghdadis-caliphate-destroyed/

Anonymous Philipp August 25, 2016 5:49 AM  

Quote 1: Inbar stressed that the West’s “main enemy” is not the self-declared Islamic State; it is Iran.

Quote 2: Hezbollah, the Lebanese-based militia that receives weapons and support from Iran, is also “being seriously taxed by the fight against IS, a state of affairs that suits Western interests,” Inbar wrote.

Do you see a pattern here? Inbar writes "West" and "Western interests" when he actually means "Israel" and "Israeli intersts".

To make it clear, Assad, Hizbollah and Iran are not enemies of the West. Unless you attack them, they will leave you alone. I would argue that the same is true for Russia but I am aware that many people in Eastern Europe would disagree.

However, it is not Syria, Hizbollah, Iran and Russia who attack Western people in their own countries. It is the Sunni extremists. Our enemies are AQ and ISIS.

It is time that our leaders make that clear to the Jews, neocons and Israel.

Blogger Lovekraft August 25, 2016 5:52 AM  

Meanwhile my local radio, shilling for ABC news, spoke of how Trump is fueling far-right extremist groups.

Expecting the avalanche of criticism of BLM in ... And commercial break.

So predictable.

Blogger Shimshon August 25, 2016 5:56 AM  

I can understand the logic. It's highly unlikely the Shias and the Sunnis will unite and turn on Israel. They will continue to slaughter each other. Netanyahu has played a very good diplomatic game, with many states softening their positions on Israel. Plus he has kept the refugees from streaming to Israel (I'm sure the Europeans are totally grateful for this!).

The problem with this kind of thinking is that it's very shortsighted. What about Jordan, for example? The Syrian civil war has done nothing positive for it and in fact has contributed a great deal to destabilizing the Hussein regime. There's also Egypt. The Sinai is practically war zone too.

Israel is in deep shit if Jordan goes. Fuggedaboutit if they have any success in Egypt.

Anonymous DK August 25, 2016 5:58 AM  

I can see why history tends to repeat itself. Haven't these Israelis learned anything from history, especially Israel's history of the past 50 years?

Unfortunately, Efraim Inbar fails to see or realize the threat to his country.

Blogger residentMoron August 25, 2016 5:58 AM  

As usual, this is not about the nation, it is about the state.

This traitor is appealing to those Israelis who confuse the nation with the state. He is appealing to those Americans who confuse the nation with the state.

What he is saying is that Jews and Christians should continue to die horrific deaths so the states of Israel and the US can continue to gather more power to themselves.

Fuck him.

Blogger Sherwood family August 25, 2016 5:58 AM  

It is well to remember, as Palmerston is reported to have stated:

"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."

We should remember that other nations actually operate according to that dictum. We would do well to do the same. America First!

Blogger Phillip George August 25, 2016 6:12 AM  

there you go, the gloves are off. ISIS invented by the West to do good.

Fuck them with Bayonets good isn't quite human though. It takes a supernatural intervention to create "good for Israel" of those dimensions.

Why Putin played Bach in Palmyra instead of raping Christians with bayonets is a complete mystery. Allah hu akbar to you personally think tankers.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 25, 2016 6:17 AM  

Even the most practiced liar will let the truth slip.

For example, women bought "Fifty Shades of Grey" in droves, proving their lust to pervert the black and white masculine honor ethos.

Blogger Sherwood family August 25, 2016 6:18 AM  

The Israeli agenda and any meaningful U.S. agenda are at odds. The sooner people realize that the better.

Blogger Lazarus August 25, 2016 6:20 AM  

Last paragraph in article:

As far back as 1957, President Dwight Eisenhower insisted to the CIA that, in order to fight leftist movements in the Middle East, “We should do everything possible to stress the ‘holy war’ aspect.”

Well, isn't that special.........

Blogger Sherwood family August 25, 2016 6:24 AM  

No permanent enemies, no permanent allies. Only interests. And U.S. interests should be to take care of America and Americans. Not global law and order, not humanitarian issues world wide, not international business, or finance, or trade...but Americans. Let other nations do as they see fit. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking anyone else is going to take care of our interest or that they align with any other nation's or state's except by coincidence and then rarely.

Anonymous Steve August 25, 2016 6:30 AM  

This is like the strategic brilliance of the Germans sending Lenin into Russia to cause trouble.

What could possibly go wrong?

Blogger Sherwood family August 25, 2016 6:35 AM  

Yeah. Lenin. That didn't come back to bite the Germans at all. Shortened one war but lost them the next one and spawned a Cold War that impoverished half of the country for a generation.

But even then WWII was an example of the U.S. getting involved in something for which there was no strategic U.S. interest. Had we avoided involvement in Asia and left the Japanese to do their thing they'd have had no reason to bother us. The same with Germany. No reason to fight the Germans. We killed Hitler and delivered Europe from the hands of one genocidal megalomaniac into the hands of Stalin. What an improvement! And then the rest of the Cold War. If nations went Communist that should have been on them. Korea, Vietnam...not our business. We should have stayed home, strengthened our own borders and institutions. We should have kept the rest of the world out and built up our infrastructure and education to have the best connected, healthiest, most moral, and best educated people on earth. But we didn't. We wanted to be Globocop and try to subvert other nations' institutions because we thought they were wrong. We ended up subverting our own. What a waste.

Anonymous DT August 25, 2016 6:37 AM  

@13 - Good Lord...is there a single problem that America faces today that was not either amplified by the government, or created entirely out of thin air by the government, because some 'expert' analyst decided it was in our interest?

Blogger Krul August 25, 2016 6:38 AM  

ISIS: Commits violent terror attacks across Europe.

Israel: "I like these guys."

That's how this looks.

Blogger Phillip George August 25, 2016 6:39 AM  

follow the money to Sherwood, someone had to impose the IMF loan agreements

Blogger Sherwood family August 25, 2016 6:45 AM  

The U.S. was the dumb lunkhead that helped push everyone into the international finance chipper-shredder.

Anonymous MawBTS August 25, 2016 6:48 AM  

No permanent enemies, no permanent allies. Only interests. And U.S. interests should be to take care of America and Americans. Not global law and order, not humanitarian issues world wide, not international business, or finance, or trade...but Americans. Let other nations do as they see fit. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking anyone else is going to take care of our interest or that they align with any other nation's or state's except by coincidence and then rarely.

Look at it this way: US military aid to Israel is something like $3.15 billion a year. And Israel's entire defense budget is only $15 billion.

What does the US get in return? Nothing. Jack shit. It's just an annual $3.15 billion gift to a postage stamp of a nation that doesn't give a crap about America (and isn't in a position to help America even if it wanted to).

If someone proposed "we should pay 26% of Canada's defense budget, and ask for nothing in return! What a great idea!" you'd slap them so hard your hand would cause atomic fission.

And Canada IS ACTUALLY A VALUABLE STRATEGIC ALLY TO AMERICA.

America should treat Israel like a thrice-removed relative. Remember to send them a card on Christmas (or Hanukkah), and forget they exist the other 364 days in the year.

Blogger Alexandros August 25, 2016 6:48 AM  

People were already assuming that Israeli created and is funding ISIS; these kinds of stories aren't helping us re-evaluate that nagging feeling.

Blogger Noah B August 25, 2016 6:53 AM  

@6 Netanyahu has played a very good diplomatic game, with many states softening their positions on Israel.

I would have agreed until recently, when he condemned Trump for proposing to build the same kind of border security that Israel has enjoyed for quite some time now. Those bad optics just keep popping up.

Blogger Sillon Bono August 25, 2016 6:59 AM  

>>Quote 1: Inbar stressed that the West’s “main enemy” is not the self-declared Islamic State; it is Iran.

I honestly ask, is everybody a halfwit when it comes to the middle east?

Iran the west's enemy, so is Arabia Saudi, so is anybody in the ME, they are muslims and aspire to conquer the world once they are done killing each other, or while they are at it, the order does not matter.

Every single ME muslim country is exporting their mosques, madrasas and islamic supremacy culture to all corners of the world in a generational chess attempt to outnumber each other and wreak havoc to each other's western allies.

Fuck, it is not that difficult to see, I have seen this strategy since I was 16.

If anything the only change to this way of thinking that I have experienced in the last 5 years is that seeing the number of rich Jew people who promote the multiculti open-borders agenda for the west, I now think the Jews are on it too.

I'm under the suspicion that the Jews think that the Arabs are going to win the chess game, because we westerners are morons that can be brainwashed easily into give support for destructive ideologies, comunism, nazism, fascisim, and recently islamism.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 25, 2016 7:01 AM  

Philipp wrote:

To make it clear, Assad, Hizbollah and Iran are not enemies of the West. Unless you attack them, they will leave you alone. I would argue that the same is true for Russia but I am aware that many people in Eastern Europe would disagree.

However, it is not Syria, Hizbollah, Iran and Russia who attack Western people in their own countries. It is the Sunni extremists. Our enemies are AQ and ISIS.


Russia and Assad I will agree with. Hizbollah and Iran, not so much. Iran has demonstrated on numerous occasions that they will target Americans. Their religion demands it.

Assad has demonstrated that while he is Muslim in theory, like Gaddafi, he is more interested in staying alive than pushing Islam.

Iran is built around Islam. It will continue to be a threat to the west until it throws the ayatollahs out.

Anonymous MawBTS August 25, 2016 7:03 AM  

People were already assuming that Israeli created and is funding ISIS; these kinds of stories aren't helping us re-evaluate that nagging feeling.

Nobody funds ISIS, as far as we can tell. 95% of their cash comes from inside Iraq (and from plundering captured cities).

Blogger Robert What? August 25, 2016 7:09 AM  

You should really ask "is ISIS good for the Zionists?". Many of us suspected this was the case, but it is useful to get confirmation. And the hundreds (thousands?) of tortured and slaughtered Christians? Acceptable collateral damage, I assume?

Blogger Noah B August 25, 2016 7:12 AM  

It's obvious that ISIS requires cooperation from at least one neighboring state actor to deliver their oil to market and be paid for it. The most likely culprit is Turkey.

Blogger Sherwood family August 25, 2016 7:13 AM  

With the Cold War in the rear-view mirror the Middle East should have gone back to being a supplier of oil and gas and we should have stepped back from funding anyone in the region that wasn't selling us something we could use i.e. Israel and Egypt.

If the Jews and Palestinians want to kill each other, that's too bad but none of our business.
If the Egyptians and Israelis want to kill each other that's also too bad but not our business either.

We want oil. But, as I have long said, we should get out of policing the region. Let the biggest kid on the block win and we can still buy it from them.

Our money (at least for now) is still good. If the Iranians closed the Persian Gulf that would hurt...a lot.

But we'd get busy fracking and making up the shortfall and probably start exporting oil and natural gas ourselves. Heck, we should GIVE the Middle East to China or Russia and let them run it.

They can take our dollars just as easily and we can save a bundle on not having bases or wars in there.

Blogger Ron August 25, 2016 7:21 AM  

@Shimshon

No good can come of our meddling in these affairs, when brothers fight, outsiders always take sides. But when the fighting is over, then the former combatants remember who it was that stuck his nose in their conflict.

If the Bear wants to involve himself with the "Wild Man", then that is his business.

If we support Hussein, then the Arabs in Jordan will say that we are oppressing them by backing a Saudi king who they never wanted and hate, whose entire purpose is to act as a regional proxy for English interests. Then when the fighting is over, Hussein will inevitably betray us to curry favor with his population to try to take everyones mind off the fact that they hate his guts, that he's an outsider, and that he acts as a proxy for the British. If we abandon Hussein to IS, then we will be accused of "disloyalty" to a shitty neighbor that quietly hates our guts, and regularly undermines us. more importantly, an IS victory over Jordan will cause more chaos in a region overflowing with it. And once they have that ally at their back, we can expect the Hamas to launch attacks, and this time the PLO as well, as they will believe themselves finished if they dont.

So instead we should be supporting the Russian, but if we support the Russian too much, then the Russian will completely cement his status in this region, and it will become suicidal to send in a strike force to take out the Iranian nuclear facilities, something we should have done 5 years ago. There is a pretty good chance that if we attack Iran now, not only will the united States abandon is, but the Russian may be able to make peace with his IS enemies on the condition that he turns his troops against us. We should not make his stay here any easier for him. Support him, but indirectly and politely. The sooner he leaves the better.

Our focus needs to be in two directions. One, support the border towns. If they want to build, let them build and get out of their way, and if the Arab townships want to play games, show them that we can play games too. This will strengthen our presence, and inspire the patriot/nationalist base.

On that score, we can also stop castrating our own troops and arresting them when they commit the crime of shooting terrorists in the head. No one on the planet looks at us more favorably when we do that. We should be killing these bastards on sight. Not giving them free medical care.

Two, ramp up the military, we need to prepare for an all out war, because those nukes in Iran have to be destroyed. An attack on their facilities will be near impossible as it is, and after the attack we can expect everyone in this region to declare war on us. With the serious possible nightmare of one or both of the major world powers joining in.

Regardless, tahts still a better prospect than Tel Aviv glowing in the dark.

Blogger Old Ez August 25, 2016 7:25 AM  

Their chutzpah always destroys them. It certainly will again and continue to do so until they abandon their satanic religion of self-worship.

Blogger Shimshon August 25, 2016 7:26 AM  

@23 Noah, you're not thinking outside of the box. Israel has made major diplomatic advances in Africa and Asia.

Blogger Phillip George August 25, 2016 7:27 AM  

Nobody funds ISIS, as far as we can tell.

are you joking? who bought all the oil, airdropped them munitions, proved air cover for movements.

<<>> are joking, right?

Blogger Sherwood family August 25, 2016 7:30 AM  

Sorry, Ron. The nukes in Tehran do not have to be destroyed. Not only that, but attempting to destroy them will virtually guarantee the end of U.S. military strength for a generation by bogging us down in Iran looking for "vestiges" of the Iranian nuclear program.

Unless you know where it's all hidden and know who all the scientists are they'll just crank it back up as soon as we leave.

Besides, an Iranian nuke is not something we should worry about. The Mullahs might be annoying and spout crazy rhetoric but they aren't suicidal and using a nuke to attack the U.S., even by proxy would be suicidal and they know it.

The Israelis have enough nukes to guarantee the destruction of Iran if Tel Aviv gets glassed. That is called MAD and it works. India and Pakistan hate each other but they aren't fighting a war or lobbing nukes. U.S. and USSR were the same. The Israelis and the Iranians can all do the math. Nobody wins if somebody drops the bomb.

And, frankly, I don't care if Tel Aviv does glow in the dark. That's Tel Aviv's problem. Just like I don't care if Tehran glows either.

We don't need to beat ISIS, we just need to contain it. Let those that live in the neighborhood fight it. We just need to get out of their way and turn a blind eye to the atrocities that will have to be committed to do it.

Blogger Shimshon August 25, 2016 7:31 AM  

@30 Ron, I don't disagree. Just commenting on why the state may pursue such a policy.

Re the free medical care for Sunni insurgents, yeah, that bristles. But there is no question that some intel of a valuable nature is obtained in providing it.

Blogger Bede Jarrow August 25, 2016 7:34 AM  

Interesting times we live in. I really hope the Trump presidency re-evaluates our so-called allies in the Mid-East. The absurdity of the Israel lobby is losing ground across America, they played the holocaust and "God's chosen people" card once too many times, their usefulness as an ally is overrated and expensive. Any competent military intelligence officer will tell you that most of our woes in the region are tied to our support of Israel as it gives the petty Arabs something to organize around against us. While I know those same folks would say that the Mideast would be peaceful if they push the Jews into the sea, I think they tend to misunderestimate the particular inbred retardation endemic inside the Arabs and the wider muslim world and their propensity toward violence. If they had no Jew or Christian to kill, they would simply do it to themselves, which is not our problem. It is interesting how Iran is now the boogeyman of Israel's nightmares, didn't they support Iran against Iraq in the 80s, they supported more crazy in order to undermine really crazy.

But it is interesting that there is a lot of subtle improvements in the relations between Israel and the Saudis and the Turks. It is almost as if there is going to be a Moscow-Tehran-Damascus alliance on one hand and a Tel Aviv-Riyadh-Ankara on the other. In other words, it is the perfect time for the US to disengage from the region and let them all sort it out themselves. If Russia wants to be the power in the Middle East, let them have it and the consequences of it. I am tired of seeing body bags fly home. The US oil industry has done the one thing no bomb, diplomatic service or even a tent full of Circassian beauties could ever do, inflicted pain on the Saudis, and as it continues to be resilient despite the Saudis efforts to destroy, makes them irrelevant to our interest. No wonder why they are so deeply invested with Hillary as she is their hope for continuing business as usual. They say they can weather long term lower oil prices, but their recent domestic actions suggest otherwise with the partial privatization of Aramco, the rush to diversify their economic base, on top of their myriad of other social unrests.

When the US finally begins its disengagement in the coming years, I hope the lesson learn is that peace and isolation is cheaper and more prosperous than constantly finding boogeymen in the sands.

Blogger Sherwood family August 25, 2016 7:36 AM  

Amen, Bede Jarrow.

Blogger Phillip George August 25, 2016 7:38 AM  

https://www.intellihub.com/how-ford-truck-ended-up-isis-hands/

ISIS is a cheap carnival shell game.

column of brand new SUVs, not a drone in sight. A target like 30 glistening brand new white SUVs and not a single drone?

you've been had. If the media weren't bought and paid for wholely owned whores, the truth would matter. But like David Kelly and Sadam's non existent WMDs .....

out of the woodwork the professional trolls line up.....

Blogger Noah B August 25, 2016 7:53 AM  

@32 Nonsense. Alienating potential allies without gaining anything of greater value isn't good diplomacy.

Anonymous JAG August 25, 2016 8:06 AM  

I'm gonna put this one in the (((WTF))) file. Mind boggling.

Blogger Noah B August 25, 2016 8:10 AM  

Israel has the right to fight for its own existence, but not to expect help from those it has habitually betrayed. Maybe Netanyahu's diplomacy can raise an army of Africans to fight Israel's wars for the next 50 years?

OpenID wtrsims August 25, 2016 8:25 AM  

I wonder if he'd change his mind if ISIS was killing more Jews than Christians.

It was better that one man should die than for the whole nation (Israel) to perish (John 11) according to Caiaphas then, so is it now better for Christians to die than for Israel to give up any strategic advantage. Same game, it appears.

Anonymous Joe Blowe August 25, 2016 8:44 AM  

ISIS is the CIA/Mossad proxy army in Syria, just like the KLA was in Yugoslavia and the Mujaheddin was in Afghanistan. The playbook goes way back to WWI when the Globalists used Islamic proxy armies, along with the (((Young Turks))) to help break up the Ottoman Empire

Radical Islam is the Sword of the Judeo-Masonic Globalist Elite.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 25, 2016 8:47 AM  

I take this view the American state is different from the American nation. Of course lots of people of the nation are still playing super patriot, but if they want to trundle off to fight the wars for the neocon/liberal Clinton/Bush alliances I will wave good bye to them. And if they take some of the vibrant diversity with them, then it's good.

Anonymous Elipe August 25, 2016 8:49 AM  

And with this, the triple parentheses reveal why they've had a long, troubled history of getting kicked out of countries.

I used to be pro-Israel. Now? I put parentheses around their names.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 25, 2016 9:06 AM  

ISIS conducted a genocide against the oldest Christian communities in the world and it elicited a collective yawn from Israel and the United States. No amount of Holocaustmongering will make the American people ever give a fuck about Israel again. It can be a helpful partner at times and is an outright enemy at other times, just like most Middle Eastern countries, and will be viewed from that standpoint henceforth. Europeans figured this out some time ago.

Anonymous Philipp August 25, 2016 9:11 AM  

25: You wrote:

"Hizbollah and Iran, not so much. Iran has demonstrated on numerous occasions that they will target Americans. Their religion demands it.
Iran is built around Islam. It will continue to be a threat to the west until it throws the ayatollahs out."

Their religion demands that they attack all non-believers, not just Americans. Muslims should also attack Japane and Japanese for example, but that does not happen. Why? Because Japan does not meddle in the Middle East and does not allow Muslim immigration.

The West should 1) stop intervening in Muslim countries, 2) ban Muslim immigration into Western countries and 3) deport the Muslim already living in Western countries.

If you think that Iran will be a threat to the West until they throw out the Ayatollahs, then it is only a small step until you believe that the regime change needs to be carried out by the U.S. armed forces.

Don't let neo-cons and liberal interventions talk you into that.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 25, 2016 9:22 AM  

Since it's been fairly well established that IS/IS/IL (or whatever their non du jour is) was initially established and subsequently supported by the combined intel agencies of the Banana Empire, the Magic Kingdom, the various Gulf Oil-states and Israel - a country which many even on the alt-Right mistakenly think minds to its own affairs instead of meddling in areas it has no legitimate interest in (see the Georgia / South Ossetia affair at the end of Imam al-Duhbya's telepimpter-readership for an example of this) - the remark comes more as an admission than a surprise. Apparently their little Frankstein has gotten out of hand to the point that some of their own people along with their lackeys and step-n-fetchits in Sodom-on-Potomac and NATO are less than enthused about continuing to support the bloodthirsty moose-limbs in their drive to depopulate Syria of Christians, Alawites and Shiites.

Something which is often conveniently forgotten is that Israel is not bound by any treaty with respect to WMDs. (The chemical and biological weapon treaties were signed but never ratified.) Besides having hundreds of nukes which are actually deliverable (as opposed to the fantasy-nukes of the Iranian Mullahs), they likely have all manner of chemical and bio-wepaons to be deployed against any great unified jihad (assuming that some of the more recent appalling diseases to appear aren't actual tests of such weaponry - goyim being defined as mere cattle put on the planet for their use by their Babylonian Talmudic religion). The Mullahs love to carry on their ranting about the appearance of the 12th Mahdi for the locals but the ones who actually run the place understand that having the country converted to a radioactive wasteland would be less than ideal. They've still never really recovered from the bloody war with Saddam in the 1980s. The Persian and Azeri elites there aren't quite so dysgenic and clueless as the Arab shiites in neighboring Iraq. Also note that Iran has invaded fewer countries than Israel has in the last three decades so all this posturing and kvetching about Iran's war-mongering and bloodlust rings more than a bit hollow.

Blogger Dexter August 25, 2016 9:35 AM  

the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, a think tank that says its mission is to advance “a realist, conservative, and Zionist agenda...

Heh. "Realist, conservative, and Zionist" are not exactly totally compatible.

Blogger Ron August 25, 2016 10:13 AM  

@Sherwood family

I understand your view. I dont think the US should be involved in such an attack. Its none of their business. When I said "we" and "us". I meant Israel, not the US. Nor am I OK with US involvement even as a matter of principle. I know many Israelis have some delusional fantasy that the US will "take care of everything". Such degenerate thinking is not a small part of the reason in itself why that would be a bad idea even if it was feasable, which it simply isnt.

From that perspective, I think Israel must destroy those weapons. If we do not, the best scenario is that it will lead to a proliferation of arms in our region, which given the nature of this region, would be an extremely dangerous prospect.

Blogger Ron August 25, 2016 10:14 AM  

@Shimshon

Cool. :)

Anonymous SaltHarvest August 25, 2016 10:15 AM  

Israel (I should say Mossad) understands optics perfectly well. The issue is that the US needs another excuse to prevent helping Russia eliminate ISIS/ISIL, so they're throwing junk at the wall to see what sticks best. Cue a meme using Sergey Shoygu's face.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 25, 2016 10:30 AM  

are less than enthused about continuing to support the bloodthirsty moose-limbs in their drive to depopulate Syria of Christians, Alawites and Shiites

They are perfectly fine with goyim genocide as long as it doesn't get on the tee-vee. It's getting mighty hard to find hillbilly cannon fodder to fight for the Banana Empire's transgendered Hessians, and images of crosses getting sawed off churches by friends of Da Shinin' City on da Hill (pbuh) doesn't help matters.

Blogger Ingot9455 August 25, 2016 10:48 AM  

I'm surprised that Martin Van Creveld says to avoid collective punishment in fighting Daesh. I had always though it had a decent effect against Palestinian terrorist types.

Maybe it's because Daesh enslaves the land they're in and so by using collective punishment you're just punishing the people who were only doing what they had to do at the point of Daesh's gun, mostly.

Blogger B.J. August 25, 2016 10:51 AM  

These chessmaster aspirations of manipulating your enemies into destroying each other always seems to backfire.

Blogger SS August 25, 2016 11:13 AM  

Didnt the US/NATO come to the same conclusion about Al Qaeda in the 70s & 80s? How did that work out for them?

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 25, 2016 11:46 AM  

If IS IS was good for the jews why would Obama be supporting it?

What does the US get in return? Nothing. Jack shit. It's just an annual $3.15 billion gift to a postage stamp of a nation that doesn't give a crap

I am pretty sure some of the $8billion a year the US taxpayers give Israel comes back in the form of bribes.

Related Israel supplied weapons to its ally Britain's enemy for the whole duration of its war.

https://www.rt.com/uk/356981-israeli-arms-falklands-war/

Anonymous SciVo August 25, 2016 1:26 PM  

That's sociopathic. Daesh took 15 suspected spies and boiled them alive in tar. I actually don't want to know exactly what that did to their bodies. Daesh are monsters in human form -- and lest we forget, they still hold a couple thousand Yazidi girls as slaves to their evil -- and only another monster would condone their existence.

Blogger Assyrian Nationalist August 25, 2016 4:19 PM  

"Did our hearts become of stone?
Did our hearts become of iron?
Or did our eyes become blind?
Let our red blood flow
Let our silent hearts whine
Let the Assyrian youth always say
Oh, are there still any catastrophes which we haven't gone through yet?
From the moment that we came to this world
From the womb till our grave we cannot keep our homeland out of our minds
The only thing I desire from the Lord
Is that He will not take away my soul until I have seen you...homeland."
-Naum Faiq

And so it has been decided by the Chosen Ones:

Our hearts will continue to whine
Our blood will continue to flow
For it is imperative that the influence of Israel continue to grow

Blogger dfordoom August 25, 2016 8:31 PM  

@34. Sherwood family

The nukes in Tehran do not have to be destroyed.

Agreed. Israel's nukes on the other hand really are an existential threat to the West. Israel can use nuclear blackmail to force the West to do its bidding. Would the Israelis actually do that? Of course they would.

The best hope for peace in the Middle East is for Iran to have nukes. We know from experience that a nuclear balance of terror works. There's no other way to restrain long-term Israeli aggression.

Blogger dfordoom August 25, 2016 8:37 PM  

@47. Philipp

deport the Muslim already living in Western countries.

The Spanish had the right idea after the Reconquista. If you want to live in Spain become a Christian. Otherwise leave. And they applied to this to all non-Christians.

Blogger lowell houser August 25, 2016 9:05 PM  

This is the reason Israel has loose alliances with Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Use the Sunni barbarians against the industrializing Shia, and then Israel will forever be able to hold her borders against the useless Sunnis.

Blogger Thucydides August 26, 2016 12:25 AM  

ISIS is being used as a tool by lots of people. The Turks use it as a great way to attack Assad and the Kurds. The Gulf States funded it because ISIS is against "Apostate" Shiites like the Iranians (and as a say to hamstring growing Iranian power. Israel also sees this as a useful toll to support their goal of keeping Iran from becoming a regional hegemon.

And of course ISIS has an agenda of its own. The great thing about the Middle East is everyone is everyone else enemy, until they need you as a friend. Once your usefulness as a friend is over, it is back to being an enemy.

Blogger Thucydides August 26, 2016 12:46 AM  

@21

As a Canadian, I am ashamed to say that we have been sponging off the United States for decades (since the 1960's under Liberal Lester Pearson) and this has only conintued under decades of rule by the Liberal Party. Canadians routinely spent under 2% of the GDP on defense, depend on American military power to protect us and keep the sea lanes open for Canadian trade, while our political , academic and bureaucratic class shrilly denounce and bad mouth Americans every chance they get.Those people are SJWs on steroids. I'd be the last person to be surprised if the US simply kicks Canada in the balls under a Trump administration, the Liberals and their enablers have been asking for it for decades now.....

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