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Wednesday, August 24, 2016

Korean fire drill

William S. Lind warns that the next flash point in Asia may not be Indonesia, the Philippines, or the old Japan-China rivalry:
By now, the Korean drill is familiar to all. We take some symbolic action against North Korea. The North responds with its Tasmanian Devil act, threatening “lakes of fire”, firing missiles into the ocean and maybe, at the limit, shooting some artillery at South Korea. Casualties, if there are any, are few. South Korea in turn tugs at its leash, which we hold firmly. Yawn.

This time may be different. We did the usual, announcing some meaningless new sanctions on the North, though this time targeting its rulers by name, which slightly ups the ante. The North is playing its part, shouting hyperbolic threats, including war.

But here is where the current case departs from the script. No one is paying any attention to North Korea’s tantrum. We’ve seen it too often. The world’s reaction is, “let ’em starve in the dark.” From the North Korean perspective, the act no longer works.

Except in South Korea. This is the second change from the usual script. The South is fed up with the North’s antics. The South Korean president’s mother and father were killed years ago by North Korean assassins. She has not forgotten. In every recent incident, the South has suffered more casualties (when there were any) than the North. The general South Korean attitude seems to be, “We’re not going to take it any more.”

What can South Korea do? Invade North Korea.
Yet another warning about the risks created through the arrogant foolishness of the US playing globocop.

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 24, 2016 10:42 AM  

Omega War Nerd is no doubt ecstatic over this bit of news.

Blogger Alexander August 24, 2016 10:43 AM  

If we didn't project into Korea, Japan, and Taiwan, then the Yellow Reds would be projecting into Mexico, Nicaragua, and Cuba!

We have to preemptively fight them over there so we don't have to preemptively fight them over here!

Or is that the sort of unstable, America-as-second-rate sort of society that we want to raise our wives' children in? I don't think so!

Anonymous Elipe August 24, 2016 10:45 AM  

In all honesty, the Korea situation looks much like a cold proxy war between the USA and China spawned by the actual Cold War. China supports NK, which means if we were to actually go in and bloody some NK nose, we could expect retribution from China. Likewise, if we completely backed out of Korea, SK would get its ass toasted, which means communism spreads.

There just doesn't seem to be a good solution we could have implemented short of not engaging in the Cold War in the first place, but would that have been a sensible move? You've seen the fruits of the Soviets... the SJWS. What if the Soviets had operated unopposed in the world?

I think, if we had a time machine, what we should have done was side with Nazi Germany to wipe out Soviet Russia, then take out Nazi Germany, go home, declare isolationism, leave Europe to clean up its backyard.

No Stalin, no Mao, no Hitler... no SJWs?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis August 24, 2016 10:46 AM  

I would say a bit outlandish...except I thought the same about having a plan crash into the white house in one of Tom Clancy's novels and then it happened for reals.

Blogger S1AL August 24, 2016 10:50 AM  

Can't say that I would mind South Korea doing its things. North Korea is an annoying distraction. And then the Japanese would have something to seriously worry about, and we could get our troops out of both countries.

Win-win, unless the Chinese get involved.

Anonymous Kim August 24, 2016 10:54 AM  

I'm so ronery.....I'm so ronery
so ronery and sadry arone...."

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 24, 2016 10:55 AM  

The reason SK doesn't invade NK is because the accepted wisdom is that if it did the Chinese would throw in with NK. The whole point of NK, as far as China is concerned, is as a buffer state. What else does China get out of supporting NK? The Chinese may not have the abiding hate for Koreans that they do for the Japanese, but they aren't hug buddies either.

Blogger Matamoros August 24, 2016 11:00 AM  

Well, after all the blank check worked well for Poland, didn't it? The South had better look to their hole card and figure on a Chinese invasion if they take the war to the North.

Off topic: There is a new SJW debating app called Shut-App! to try and give them stock answers to rational questions against SJWism.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 24, 2016 11:00 AM  

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Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 24, 2016 11:04 AM  

We can't even police Detroit. What makes us think we can police Korea?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 24, 2016 11:06 AM  

Its been a couple of decades since I've been in Korea, but from what I gather from reading various source is that most people in SK do not want a war with NK because they are enjoying the prosperity that being a modern Asian economic power house brings and war with NK would destroy that. Not to mention killing a lot of them. Hell, I don't think SK even wants unification since integrating the North would be a decades long drag on their economy. at best.

Anonymous Faceless August 24, 2016 11:08 AM  

The South Koreans were great friends to us in Vietnam in repayment for us having kept them free from communism.

Why can't things ever just end amicably and revert to simple friendship instead of some neo-Roman military federation?

Oh, right, neocon empire.

Blogger U PC BRO? August 24, 2016 11:14 AM  

I don't believe China has any great love for the DPRK but they send them lunch money because they don't want US troops waving at them from across the Yalu. US troops in SK are keeping people in concentration camps.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 24, 2016 11:16 AM  

The conflagration in Europe from 1914 to 1945 began in large part because of very, very stupid defense treaties that surely created moral hazard in the sense that petty rulers of petty places felt free to act like Big Men (because they had a guarantee that if anything came back at them, their Buddies would rally to their cause.)

Defense treaties have the odd effect of emboldening people who should not be so emboldened. The USA could easily be dragged into a direct conflict with nuclear-armed-ICBM adversaries, and our "betters" who rule us from DC have the best bomb shelters our money could buy for them. People like HillBilly are undoubtedly batshit crazy enough to think that as long as they and theirs are okay, they can spare half the USA's populace if the outcome is VIK TOE REE. In this regard, the loons who run the District of Criminals are all on board.

Anonymous JI August 24, 2016 11:18 AM  

Just to be clear, Vox, would you prefer the US pull its troops out of SK and, if the Koreans want to fight, then let them fight and just stay out of it? And if China steps in, keep out of that too?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 24, 2016 11:19 AM  

NK doesn't want reunification with SK because the Kim dynasty would be history if they tried to integrate the South into their political system. Think about it. Industrialists, SK political leadership (at all levels), the military, intelligence agencies, etc all arrayed against him. And SK has twice the population of NK, a population that has grown up with certain expectations concerning how things are supposed to be ran. The NK only has so many secret police.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 24, 2016 11:24 AM  

One wonders if China's rulers are playing the long game, and keeping NK afloat is just an active subset of letting the USA's rulers bleed the nation utterly dry (most of the exsanguination is self-directed, based on a counterfeit monetary system that enabled 50 years of catastrophic debt-based over-consumption.)

If America's consumerist populace isn't busy enough credit-card-consuming the country to oblivion, and its welfare-state isn't busy enough doing debt-purchased helicopter-drops of Gibsmedats on the proles, then the military-industrial-complex can get its share of the borrow-to-produce-prosperity pie. Keeping the world full of hotspots surely rationalizes the last of these.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 24, 2016 11:25 AM  

China has a dilemma with N. Korea which is they hate that troublesome regime of crazies on their south border they have to support, but there's no way they want a unified Korea as a US puppet on their south border.

So if the US does step out, it's possible that China would accept a S. Korea led unified Korea who they feel they can negotiate with directly without the US interfering.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 24, 2016 11:26 AM  

NK and SK reunite. A couple decades later they'd just get Merkeled, so why bother?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 24, 2016 11:30 AM  

So if the US does step out, it's possible that China would accept a S. Korea led unified Korea who they feel they can negotiate with directly without the US interfering.

I think what the US, China, and SK hope will happen is that Kim will get overthrown and the new regime will consist of sane individuals who will want to negotiate reunification with the condition of no US or Chinese troops in Korea.

Anonymous FriarBob August 24, 2016 11:35 AM  

I think one or two of our WWII generals didn't want to stop at Berlin. Being the next worst thing to a commie himself, the president wouldn't even consider it. And it would have been horribly bloody. But history also would have been quite different.

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 11:40 AM  

His scenario of them uniting & nuking Japan is more scary. I think if the US soldiers were not manning the wall and throwing money/tech at South Korea the north would just over run them. Instead of insulting US troops PSY would be offering BJs for more rice.

then the Yellow Reds would be projecting into Mexico, Nicaragua, and Cuba!

China is already projecting into Mexico and central America.

Blogger Johnny August 24, 2016 11:43 AM  

A fundamental rule of life: Never do more for somebody than they do for themselves. (assuming here they have the resources needed to self help)

And this same rule applies to nations. The problem we have is that we overreach. We internalize somebody else's problem. I say we assist South Korea to the extent they assist themselves. That is, they have to take the lead. And as it is with South Korea so it should be with all other countries.

Just as an aside on this current problem. Somebody should ask China if an attack from North Korea happens, is China an ally. And if they are, in the event of a nuclear exchange, would it be appropriate to nuke China as well as North Korea in that they are allies?

Blogger Anthony August 24, 2016 11:44 AM  

TQC; "We can't even police Detroit. What makes us think we can police Korea?"

No blacks in Korea.

Blogger pyrrhus August 24, 2016 11:45 AM  

If the US weren't so treacherous, e.g.violating its agreement not to extend NATO to Russia's borders, it could easily get China's agreement to a unified, neutralized Korea....but China can't trust the US, so it just waits....

Blogger Johnny August 24, 2016 11:46 AM  

FriarBob wrote:I think one or two of our WWII generals didn't want to stop at Berlin. Being the next worst thing to a commie himself, the president wouldn't even consider it. And it would have been horribly bloody. But history also would have been quite different.

Patton was ready to go after the USSR, and it is fairly likely the Russians assassinated him. Not a good idea actually because we were not all that supported in Western Europe. Us starting another military action could have turned into a war against us in Europe generally.

Blogger U PC BRO? August 24, 2016 11:52 AM  

China has a huge amount of sway with NK and it's diplomats. I'm sure a backroom deal could be arranged where the U.S. exits SK in exchange for China arranging an accident for Jong-un. A cooperative general could be put in charge who would still be a strongman, but at least the camps could be closed and the insane personality cult surrounding the Kims abandoned. It would also create a lot of economic opportunity for all in modernizing the North. All without a major war. But that will surely lead to less business for defense contractors so it's a non starter.

Blogger Mr. Bee August 24, 2016 11:52 AM  

Invade the Norks? Apparently Mr. Lind missed that little country next door to the Norks. The one that was invaded by a Japanese army starting in that area and who went to war a while back to maintain the status quo to keep their buffer zone. IOWs, ain't going to happen.

Anonymous AzDesertRat August 24, 2016 11:55 AM  

I did a couple tours in SK in the early 2000's and Lind is correct, USFK is there to keep the ROK on a leash. The ROKAF and ROK Marines would love nothing more than to jump the 38th and settle this thing once and for all. The cooler heads in the ROK government have realized that an immediate reunification would drag SK down several notches on the global socio-economic ladder.
Realistically, the best thing that could happen would be for Little Crazy Kim to piss off Beijing so bad that they finally cut ties with him and allow a slow and measured reunification of two Korea's. However, I guarantee their number one demand would be a permanent removal of all of US forces in SK.

Blogger buwaya puti August 24, 2016 11:55 AM  

One of my differences of opinion with VD is that there is no good way to stop being an empire. There will be an empire, of one sort or another. It may not be in the US interest that it is a Chinese empire.
As for treaties and small nations - it can work in several ways. Some weak countries are of course absurdly aggressive, abusing their protected status under their treaty "umbrella". Others are terrified of being dragged into wars they want to avoid. In 1940-41 the Philippine government, for instance, desperately wanted out of their treaties with the US because they wanted to make their own deal with Japan, as Siam did. The Philippine government was terrified of the prospect of a war on their soil, and had no confidence that the US could prevent it, or protect them adequately if it came. They were completely correct of course. The US held them to their treaties, and the country suffered the consequences.
A weak country is a victim under all scenarios. Its only hope is to be under the wing of a benevolent hegemon, and even then, as above, it can turn out badly.
The Alt-Right problem in part is that it hopes to be a weak (relatively) country, in a world of wolves. Its a precarious thing to be weak.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 24, 2016 11:58 AM  

The Russians didn't assassinate Patton because they didn't have to. There was no way the US was going to attack Russia.

1) We were still at war with Japan and absent "The Bomb" every available resource was going to be needed.
2) The US government and press was riddled with pro-Soviet individuals.
3) Attacking the Soviet Union worked out so well for the Germans. And Napoleon. We would have lost.
4) The US population had been subjected to years of propaganda painting a pro-Soviet view of our ally, Uncle Joe.

Patton thought we were going to ally with the defeated Germans and attack the Soviets. Patton may have been a great Tank commander, but was a political idiot.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 24, 2016 12:01 PM  

It would also create a lot of economic opportunity for all in modernizing the North

I don't think the world needs any more impoverished countries with a population willing to work for slave wages. And other than that, what does NK have to offer in exchange for modernization?

Anonymous ZhukovG August 24, 2016 12:10 PM  

South Korea's military is so qualitatively superior to the North's that it would be no contest. The US troops could go play golf till it was over.

However, the South doesn't want to pay the economic cost of integrating the North.

More importantly the PRC will not allow NK to fall since that would cause serious humiliation and 'loss of face' for the communist (largely in name only) regime.

The Korean War to the ChiComs specifically and the Chinese people generally represents their great victory over Western Imperialism. They won't let that be undone without a fight.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 24, 2016 12:13 PM  


I think what the US, China, and SK hope will happen is that Kim will get overthrown and the new regime will consist of sane individuals who will want to negotiate reunification with the condition of no US or Chinese troops in Korea.


Frankly I wonder if there are any sane people in the DPRK. What we would call "paranoia" is surely just normal day to day living there. Between nutritional lack and the constant daily brainwashing stress that North Koreans undergo, various forms of mental illness are probably the norm in the general population. People in the camps are probably clinically insane to some degree.

Some day, some way, the current DPRK leadership will fail. What will follow may look like an asylum with the gates opened.

Blogger Orville August 24, 2016 12:25 PM  

See Vox's alt-right rules 5 and 6. Pull out, let what happens happen in regards to the ROK invading the NORKs. Let's leave the orient for the orientals, Russia for the Russians and North America for the anglos.

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Blogger Cataline Sergius August 24, 2016 12:32 PM  

Bradly Manning's leak of diplomatic message traffic showed that China is unofficially more or less cool with reunification. They just don't want to lose face over it.

In 1950 the Communists had only been in power for three years and that was after a protracted civil war.

What the Han want above all things is stability. Most of their wars have been civil wars and those are never glorious.

In 1951 the fall of their buffer state would have threatened that stability.

Today that buffer state is the source of instability. It grates on them constantly.

A violent overthrow from the south would also be a source of instability but the gripping hand is that the DPRK is going to fall sooner or later.

The most important feature at this point is that the US is no longer actively seeking to overthrow Bejing and hasn't been for a while.


If Bejing can get a hand's off guarantee in writing from us they will sign off on the destruction of their client.

Anonymous Ready Watchman August 24, 2016 12:35 PM  

@3 While we play the time machine game... Maybe we should have told Wilson to stuff it and not interfered in WWI in 1917-1918 and allowed a stalemate imposed peace to occur.

Imagine dealing with the Red October's fruits in later decades with an allied Imperial Germany!

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 24, 2016 1:00 PM  

There was no way the US was going to attack Russia.

I left out a reason, the US troops would have mutinied if ordered to fight as allies with the Germans. Patton was a professional soldier, the vast, overwhelming majority of US armed forces were civilians in it for the duration.

"Hey, you, the guy who works as a mechanic or truck driver or train conductor or whatever when you aren't being drafted and sent to maybe die, you know those guys that have been trying to kill you and your relatives and friends for the last couple of years and are the reason you had to leave your normal live and crawl through mud and hike through freezing snow with your feet feeling like they are going to fall off their so cold while you were separated from your family? That guy who runs those camps you heard about and seen the news reels from? The one that we have been telling you is evil incarnate for the last few years?

Well now he is your ally. And that guy that was helping us to defeat him? We need you to continue risking your life for a few more years and maybe get killed so we can kill him.

Hell, the Soviets probably wanted us to try to fight them.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 24, 2016 1:10 PM  

"The Alt-Right problem in part is that it hopes to be a weak (relatively) country, in a world of wolves. Its a precarious thing to be weak."

WTF? What part of alt-right hopes to be weak? It wants to turn an already weakening, neo-nation around to a stronger, restored American nation. That doesn't require empire.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 24, 2016 1:14 PM  

@ 24 - No blacks in Korea.

Touché

Blogger lowercaseb August 24, 2016 1:16 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Omega War Nerd is no doubt ecstatic over this bit of news.

actually, I think Dolan would be scared shitless. You soooo correct in him being an Omega and his personal politics are anoying, but he does know the Koreans.

"If pure craziness could win wars, Kim Jong Il's army would kick ass. The problem is, I'm not sure morale alone will do it. Not anymore. Back when you fought with axes and spears, the crazier side usually won, like the berserkers. But craziness won't keep you alive when you're up against fuel-air weapons, cluster-bombs, bunker-busters and all the other hi-tech killing toys the North would have to face if they ever do the ol' Banzai charge across the DMZ.

A war on the DMZ would be bloody-I mean for us as well as them-but the North'd lose. No question.

The real question is what would happen if they decided to play dirty. Which they would. The only thing North Korea does well is train secret agents and infiltrators. Their agents do what they're told, up to and including suicide. They all carry little poison pills they're supposed to take if captured. Lots of countries give these pills to their agents-but the North Koreans really take them."


I'd link to the article, but the exile charges for their archives now.

Blogger lowercaseb August 24, 2016 1:21 PM  

...and the thing that worries me is that even if we play it smart and stay out of this one, North Korea will try to drag us and the rest of the world in because Kim Jong Un is a chip off his Father and Grandfather's block.

...we will just need to be strong as a nation and aggressively slap down the interventionists and stay the hell out.

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 1:21 PM  

Patton was ready to go after the USSR, and it is fairly likely the Russians assassinated him.

Patton was killed days after saying "We fought the wrong enemy" his assassin was ((()))

"The Alt-Right problem in part is that it hopes to be a weak (relatively) country, in a world of wolves.

A rifle behind every blade of grass, also if we stop the Chinese and (((others))) from stealing out innovations we will be far in front of everyone.

Blogger darkdoc August 24, 2016 1:28 PM  

Remember who profits from war - Bankers and large corporations.

The rest of us are just actors in a scripted play.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 24, 2016 1:36 PM  

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus wrote:We can't even police Detroit. What makes us think we can police Korea?

ROK is a lot more civilized than Detroit.

Blogger buwaya August 24, 2016 1:54 PM  

Being an imperial hegemon is very much like riding a tiger. This is not a new metaphor of course.
One is on it mainly because it may be more dangerous to get off the tiger. Britain got off easy, more or less, because a friendly new rider stepped up. But I don't see any friendly new riders available to take over for the US.
The other metaphor is the boiling pot, threatening to boil over. The US has been keeping the lid on since 1945, and is getting tired of it. If it lets go it will lead to unfortunate consequences. There is an awful lot going on all over the world that indicates the US hegemony is breaking down quickly. Everyone seems rather confused by the situation so far, but we can shortly expect a more purposeful sorting out of power relations.

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Blogger bob k. mando August 24, 2016 1:55 PM  

10. Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 24, 2016 11:04 AM
We can't even police Detroit. What makes us think we can police Korea?



who's this 'we', White man?

it's Detroit that can't police Detroit. also, Detroit's Black mayor and Detroit's Black chief of Police.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 24, 2016 2:11 PM  

On the other hand, this video from NK makes some salient points about the west.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irw7SRv-l44

If you were a NK citizen and this pretty accurate portrayal of the culture prevalent in the rest of the world was presented to you, there is a pretty good chance that, as long as you weren't one of the people in a camp or starving, you would want to remain in NK were people aren't crazy.

Anonymous A Visitor August 24, 2016 2:43 PM  

"South Korea's military is so qualitatively superior to the North's that it would be no contest. The US troops could go play golf till it was over."

@33 Boom. Add in psyops, such as dropping food to Nork Army regulars that say "Courtesy of your brothers in South Korea" or "Courtesy of the US" and the fact that they may not even enough ball bearings or oil for their mechanized vehicles...yeah...artillery+tanks+continuous strafing runs+carpet bombing = quick annihilation by US & ROK forces.

Also, lest anyone forget, one of the AFSAs greatest triumphs (direct predecessor to NSA) was cracking Nork encryption during the war and having live, real time data on the Norks. Don't think for a second the NSA does not have their entire network compromised. It'd be a waltz.

I agree that the ChiComs would sit it out, provided ROK doesn't instigate. Furthermore, Norks are dependent on ChiComs and drug trafficking for continual survival. Take the ChiCom support await and they all starve.

@46 The ChiComs as much as they want to won't. They can't ride the tiger. They'd lose too much face.

Blogger frenchy August 24, 2016 2:47 PM  

@ Bob K. Mando,

You do know that Detroit now has a white mayor right? Since 2014. He seems to be turning the place around.

Blogger Dave August 24, 2016 3:05 PM  

Bob is living in a time warp.

Anonymous SciVo August 24, 2016 3:27 PM  

buwaya wrote:The other metaphor is the boiling pot, threatening to boil over. The US has been keeping the lid on since 1945, and is getting tired of it. If it lets go it will lead to unfortunate consequences. There is an awful lot going on all over the world that indicates the US hegemony is breaking down quickly. Everyone seems rather confused by the situation so far, but we can shortly expect a more purposeful sorting out of power relations.

That is exactly the metaphor that I was going to make. It was a dumb thing to do, if we couldn't also remove the heat. But you can't have internationalism without nationalism, in exactly the same way that you can't have intermural sports without institutions; and if Trump wins, then I think that it will all be sorted out swiftly.

Blogger buwaya August 24, 2016 3:55 PM  

Re the boiling pot metaphor - history says that the heat is always on.
The advantage of keeping the lid on was (in a global sense) the greatest achievement of the US, the Pax Americana, for which it gets no credit. Yet. The judgement of history TBD.

Blogger Ken Prescott August 24, 2016 4:24 PM  

Since 1988 or so, the balance of power on the Korean peninsula has favored the South. American forces in Korea have been there mostly to prevent a military coup in Seoul and an ensuing War of Reunification, because any such endeavour raises the prospect of a Chinese, Japanese or Sino-Japanese alliance intervention to prevent it...which would likely cause a major war in Asia, possibly extending all the way across the Indian Ocean if enough dumb decisions get made.

Blogger OldFan August 24, 2016 6:26 PM  

We need to consider some facts before deciding on resuming hostilities in Korea:

1. Upwards of 2,000 NKPA artillery and rocket systems are within range of the South Korean capital, Seoul. 100+ of these are heavy guns embedded inside hollowed-out mountains, so they are not vulnerable to conventional air attack or artillery counter-battery fire.

2. The NKPA is pathetically under-equipped with armor, mech infantry, self-propelled guns, and combat aviation, BUT it does have massed hordes of leg infantry with supporting heavy weapons:
a. They are very weak in a mobile battle - they can barely move to attack or counter-attack
b. They are very strong in a static defense

3. North Korea has the worst infrastructure imaginable: you have to build your main supply routes because these barbarians simply have no road net worthy of the name. No blitzkrieg: you advance as fast as your engineers can build 2-4 lanes of blacktop road per attacking division. My beloved armor can traverse rough terrain, but the 5,000-gal fuel trucks and 40-ton semi-trailers absolutely can't.

4. The Norks have atomic weapons. Delivery systems are a problem, but a container-sized package can hold a 10 megaton device. And how many containers pass thru the South Korean Ports every day?

5. The economic burden of integration of the North into the South is often overstated. West Germany had a massive welfare state and the ROK does not. Relief supplies and agricultural reform can carry the North until the next crop gets in - and produce enough rice to feed everybody for a change. Besides nobody looks at what opportunities are possible in these economic analyses.

Most likely scenario: total social collapse in the North, with the peasants eating the ruling class.

Anonymous Former MP August 24, 2016 6:34 PM  

30 years ago I served there. There were massive exercises, where US troops flooded the South, in addition to the many stationed there. We had bases from the DMZ down to Pusan.

Now we have few troops, based within reach of the North.

This is going to go badly.

Anonymous jon August 24, 2016 6:41 PM  

"most people in SK do not want a war with NK because they are enjoying the prosperity that being a modern Asian economic power house brings and war with NK would destroy that. Not to mention killing a lot of them. Hell, I don't think SK even wants unification since integrating the North would be a decades long drag on their economy"

My time in Korea was more recent, and I noticed this exact same attitude among most Koreans. They absolutely don't want war, and they don't even really want unification.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 24, 2016 7:35 PM  

At least part of Korea has been in the American Empire since shortly after the Korean Expedition. There is no way the elites that "opened" Japan and Korea over the barrel of boat gun are going to step away from their Korean province without significant bloodshed. Convey it to another Globalist dummy government yes, let it be a sovereign State? The globalists have never been about making those.

Blogger Skyler the Weird August 24, 2016 7:52 PM  

China controls Pyongyang. Lil' Kim won't move unless Beijing lets him. I had thought the Chinese buildup in the South China Sea was to intimidate the P.I. but more and more I think the Chinese are thinking of some reunification of their own. Sometime between now and the end of 2017 I could see China occupy Taiwan and dare Obama to do something about it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 24, 2016 8:28 PM  

Skyler the Weird wrote:Sometime between now and the end of 2017 I could see China occupy Taiwan and dare Obama to do something about it.
They have until Jan 20 to take that route. I'm pretty sure they're not ready yet.

Blogger buwaya August 24, 2016 8:46 PM  

"I had thought the Chinese buildup in the South China Sea was to intimidate the P.I. "

I agree its only partly that, but it will certainly do that - no large vessel will be able to enter or leave Manila Bay (out of the 12-mile limit) without transiting "Chinese" waters. No shipping will stick within the 12-mile limit for the 1000-mile edge of the Chinese claim (roughly from Western Borneo). China will control all foreign trade. Other Philippine ports will be effectively cut off from the China Sea also. Worst off will be Vietnam - If the Chinese say so they will be entirely blockaded; and everyone on the north coast of Borneo, Brunei, parts of Malaysia.
But the real target are Taiwan, South Korea and especially Japan. All their eastward shipping, most of their international trade, passes through the South China Sea. If the Chinese own it and can decide to let ship A through and ship B not, or to harass at will, they have tremendous leverage over them. Moreso if by leaning on the Philippines and flipping them into the Chinese camp they can control shipping way out into Pacific.
This is far more significant a move than it appears at first glance, its not about fishing and petroleum. Its the biggest crack in the Pax Americana. The Chinese are messing with its core, the guarantee of free navigation.

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Anonymous Punisher August 24, 2016 10:19 PM  

@49 that video isn't from North Korea. Supposedly made by Russians. But they do make good points about our sick culture.

Blogger rho August 25, 2016 2:18 AM  

We can defeat or cow the zipperheads.

The only interesting question is, "Why?"

Anonymous SciVo August 25, 2016 6:41 AM  

buwaya wrote:This is far more significant a move than it appears at first glance, its not about fishing and petroleum. Its the biggest crack in the Pax Americana. The Chinese are messing with its core, the guarantee of free navigation.

Naval security is pretty much the only worthwhile function of the Pax Americana, since the petrodollar is an illusion. Without being able to boat anywhere in safety, there is truly no point to our military dominance but power for its own sake.

Anonymous Rick Atlas August 25, 2016 2:08 PM  

The bedrock of globalization is the freedom of the high seas as guaranteed by the U.S. navy. Take away that and the whole corrupt international order collapses like the Tower of Babel.

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