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Wednesday, August 03, 2016

Mailvox: an American in Europe

A reader visits Italy and discovers that what I've been saying about the very distinct European nations is true:
This being my first time in Europe I noticed right away that I had been working with a mental blind spot that I think most/all Americans who have never been abroad are likely suffering under.  Maybe it's the homogenization of the ethnicities in the US, or maybe just the ubiquitous "we're all the same" message that we're fed so much that we notice it no more than the fish notice the water, but I was surprised - more like shocked - at how obvious the ethnic differences were between the European peoples.  We spent a lot of time at major tourist sites, so we were constantly awash in a polyglot.

Besides English I can only speak a smattering of Spanish, but merely identifying the various languages is pretty easy.  I began playing a mental game of "guess the ethnicity" and was surprised at how accurate I became. I would see a family group and try to guess where they were from based on their physical appearance and behavior, before hearing them speak.  It was easy to be right 50%+ of the time after just a few days.

To untraveled Americans, I think the ubiquitous mental image of the European countries is analogous to "states" in the connotative sense, not the denotative one.  Other than the fact that they speak different languages, we picture each of them as being as ethnically diverse as California.  Maybe it's not true for everyone, but for me at least it was an eye opener to see that I could frequently distinguish between a Frenchman and an Italian even though they likely lived less than 700 miles apart.  In fact the only people I could rarely guess the nationality of correctly were Americans, as I'd frequently assume they were British, German, or Nordic.
I find it quite easy to spot the Americans myself. They tend to be fatter and louder than anyone else, and they are the only ones besides Africans who wear white sneakers. They also have whiter and straighter teeth.

What people living in the USA tend to forget is that their imported nationalities are all watered down now. Virtually no one is pure Irish or Swedish or Italian anymore, and so the US facial features tend to be a little blurred in comparison with the sharper features of their distant Old World cousins. In fact, here one can not infrequently identify what town an individual comes from on the basis of their facial appearance alone.

Of course, given my complicated background, I can very easily pass for anything from Bavaria south. One of my hobbies is explaining my excellent, unaccented English to American tourists in need of assistance.

"Thank you so much. I spent three years studying to be a rodeo clown at the University of Idaho."

On a tangential note, it's hard to believe, but the USA is even more cucked than Sweden. Keep that in mind every time you hear people intoning that Europe is doomed. The situation in the USA is worse by nearly every single measure.


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124 Comments:

Blogger Brian S August 03, 2016 4:07 PM  

but but but...

https://youtu.be/GKZpqwhJUbs

Anonymous Daedalus Mugged August 03, 2016 4:10 PM  

I had no idea you were also a qualified Rodeo Clown. Your polyglot skills as a true renaissance man continue to amaze, astound and impress me. /Sarc

On a more serious note, you've explained many times your desire to avoid the coming troubles in the CONUS, and choice for you and your posterity to live in Europe, but I don't recall reading about how and why you chose your specific locale, not just Italy, but the region or town of Italy you chose. Appreciating the limitations of OPSEC, is there anything more you can say about that? Where we choose to raise our family and put down roots (for those of us rootless enough to not have the obvious 'at home stupid' choice) is one of the most important choices we can make for ourselves and children. Why did you choose where you did?

Thank you in advance.

Blogger Alexander August 03, 2016 4:10 PM  

Regarding that racist little hategraph:

That's only because diversity is our* strength, not yours.



* Ours, our wives, our wives' children

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 4:11 PM  

It may not be all brainwashing, although that obviously accounts for most of it. Americans, as you pointed out earlier today, have experienced the joys of multi-culti suicide for almost three generations now, which was preceded by an earlier diversity invasion.

The Euros are not inured yet to cultural genocide, self-inflicted and otherwise.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 4:15 PM  

58% in the U.S. still believe that?

wow

OpenID aew51183 August 03, 2016 4:17 PM  

Keep in mind the latest polls in the US have been so badly cooked they're burning. Even democratic pollsters are calling them out for it. I saw a CNN poll with N/A for the 18-35 bracket recently.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sample set for that one comes only from snowflake schools or san francisco.

Blogger VD August 03, 2016 4:18 PM  

I don't recall reading about how and why you chose your specific locale, not just Italy, but the region or town of Italy you chose

I don't often talk about my personal life; to do so is to simply hand over information to my enemies. So I will not do so. However, it doesn't take a genius to know that it's better to be in a rural area, where agriculture is strong, and there are virtually no minorities, when the crash comes.

Blogger Nick Siekierski August 03, 2016 4:19 PM  

That's a sobering chart. I was just in California, where I was born, but I'm back in Poland, my homeland where I now live. I've only recently come to realize how devastating the effects of immigration have been on America. I think of myself and my parents as being as patriotic as any American, though we're in the minority and most Poles in America vote Democrat. On the positive side, I'm glad to see Poland is decidedly in the anti-diversity camp.

Blogger Keyser Soze August 03, 2016 4:19 PM  

After living in Europe (Luxembourg) for a total of 5 years now, it is easy to identify the different nationalities by sight. Dark, short, gotta be Portuguese. Loud, drunk and ugly, say hello to the Australians. Blond and beautiful, can you say Swedish. And the French, the baguette is always a give away. But the most surprising thing is the same degree of propaganda that is feed to both Americans and Europeans and the cluelessness that is very slowly starting to evaporate. Vox, you have often commented that Europeans are inherently "meaner" than Americans and will demonstrate more violence towards the invaders, accordingly. I'm not to sure of this as the sheeps' wool is thick and they are so slow to see anything beyond media broadcast and Trump will start wars........

Anonymous Discard August 03, 2016 4:24 PM  

I met an Armenian man who, without knowing my name, told me that I was mostly X, with a bit of Y. Other than missing a small fraction of Z, he was right. I was astonished. Maybe the ability to recognize racial types is stronger in dispersed peoples like Armenians and Jews who have lived among strangers.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett August 03, 2016 4:27 PM  

Never been to the rest of Europe, but I know from several trips to Italy (due to prior involvement with Communione et Liberation) that Romagnoli hate Emilia, Milanese despise Napolitano, Bolognese hate Fiorenzi, and the Veneto hate everyone.

Find ANYBODY under the age of 50 who speaks their own dialect, and chances are you can enjoy a 2 hour diatribe on what scum Garibaldi was, that 'Italian' is just Fiorenzi dialect, how lazy, violent, insolent, greedy, etc pretty much EVERY other tribe of Italians are. At this point, the only unity I can see for Italians is an agreement that Eritreans make shitty pizza. They also make almost all of it.

And if you can get a Bergamasco speaker rolling on the topic, you'll be sore from laughing the next day.

Ma figa!

Blogger crand August 03, 2016 4:27 PM  

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Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett August 03, 2016 4:30 PM  

@7. So near Forli?

Blogger crand August 03, 2016 4:31 PM  

Or, I should say I'm a citizen of a country in the EU, however long that'll last, which is probably not much longer. We can all be thankful for that!

Blogger LurkingPuppy August 03, 2016 4:31 PM  

aew51183 wrote:Keep in mind the latest polls in the US have been so badly cooked they're burning. Even democratic pollsters are calling them out for it.
Pat Caddell is a DINO these days.

crand wrote:So since America is done it sounds like maybe Americans will be leaving and trying (probably unsucessfully) to move back to Europe?
Wealthy Americans and recent immigrants with ties to family elsewhere might leave. Most of us don't have that option.

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Blogger VD August 03, 2016 4:33 PM  

Romagnoli hate Emilia, Milanese despise Napolitano, Bolognese hate Fiorenzi, and the Veneto hate everyone.

And no one can understand a single damn thing the Calabresi say.

Blogger Pseudotsuga August 03, 2016 4:37 PM  

This "Diversity is Utopia" message has been drummed into our kids for the past 40 years. I have yet to meet a college student who will say otherwise, yet they can't actually explain why diversity is such a good thing, other than mumbling something about, "well, we can learn different things from other people." I ask them what, and the conversation usually lags, or becomes a discussion about food.
Apparently food is the only actual strength of diversity. Unless, of course, it's cultural appropriation.
I wonder if there's a poll which asked Canadians that same question? I'd be willing to bet a Loonie or two that the number would be higher than the US number (as long as we didn't ask the Quebequois or any of the First Nations.)

Blogger kmbr August 03, 2016 4:39 PM  

ha! I was going to say that about the white sneakers.

I can tell a Swede by how good they smell and they nearly always look 5 minutes out of the shower fresh. Rare for Europe.

Anonymous BGKB August 03, 2016 4:40 PM  


I am thinking they have not traveled much in America. Going from one state to another you can see differences in white culture. Everywhere has the same black & mexican culture however.

Appreciating the limitations of OPSEC, is there anything more you can say about that?

The mafia in NYC does more to protect people from moslems than cops.

58% in the U.S. still believe that? Many polls are taken outside gay bathhouses.

same degree of propaganda that is feed to both Americans and Europeans and the cluelessness that is very slowly starting to evaporate.

WikiLeaks releasing the Rivkin document helped a lot, hardly any US coverage of the plan to turn France from an nation that didn't let McDonald's in, into thousands of blacks burning cars in the capital.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/05/14/in-honor-of-french-reader-understanding-the-rivkin-project/

OT: Tolerance camp.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/UH-student-body-VP-under-fire-for-All-Lives-9002537.php

Blogger Alexander August 03, 2016 4:42 PM  

I wonder if there's a poll which asked Canadians that same question? I'd be willing to bet a Loonie or two that the number would be higher than the US number (as long as we didn't ask the Quebequois or any of the First Nations.)

On the other hand, Quebequois, First Nations, and Anglo-Canadians all agree diversity is a strength for Anglo-Canadians and they should keep playing to that strength.

Blogger rycamor August 03, 2016 4:42 PM  

Keep that in mind every time you hear people intoning that Europe is doomed. The situation in the USA is worse by nearly every single measure.

Numerically, yes, but cultural composition does matter. I agree that it's a tragedy, but the end result of high Hispanic immigration isn't nearly as bad as that of high Muslim immigration. I have lived in Latin American countries. I have family members and friends who have lived in Islamic countries. I would vastly prefer the former.

Yes, it represents a loss for traditional Northern European white culture, but South America is still representative of European (and mostly Christian) culture, not a pagan or anti-Christian one.

Anonymous Philipp August 03, 2016 4:45 PM  

I am shocked to see that 36% of the Swedes and 26% of the French still believed that increasing diversity was a positive thing for their country in March 2016.

I hope this numbers include Africans and Arabs who live in Sweden and France.

Blogger crand August 03, 2016 4:46 PM  

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Blogger SirHamster August 03, 2016 4:53 PM  

crand wrote:... instead, the US will just let itself turn into an upper-end 3rd World country, maybe at best a 2nd World country, if there is such a thing.

3rd world implies a 2nd world.

An industrial socialist state? Looks like we're already there ...

Blogger Mountain Man August 03, 2016 4:53 PM  

"it's better to be in a rural area, where agriculture is strong, and there are virtually no minorities, when the crash comes."

..and only a limited handful of virtue signaling white prog/libs.

Vermont fits your description to a T.. but is doomed. Its as homogenous white and agrarian as it comes but 2 out of every 3 residents is a virtue signaling prog-lib. Many of the residents are transplanted ((New Yawkers and New Jooisy-ites)). Now the stupid shits are bringing in Syrians. When those fuckers go full Jihad on the residents of the state the lib - cucks will be holding candlelight vigils and forums to discuss why the stone age invaders are feeling disenfranchised and what can be done to make a more inclusive environment for them.

Anonymous Discard August 03, 2016 4:57 PM  

22. rycamor: The average Hispanic is not compatible with the average White. They are more compatible with White trash. But I'll take the White trash any day. They are still our people, our culture, and capable of improvement.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 4:58 PM  

The blending of US whites is heavily influenced by willingness to move for economic reasons. Is it not true that many Europeans live their lives very close to their birthplace?

This last makes me wonder why the invasion in Europe didn't generate immediate, violent opposition. The toxic effects are surely even more obvious in places where the pace of change is lower.

Anonymous Discard August 03, 2016 4:58 PM  

Make that 24. crand

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 03, 2016 4:59 PM  

rycamor wrote:Keep that in mind every time you hear people intoning that Europe is doomed. The situation in the USA is worse by nearly every single measure.

Numerically, yes, but cultural composition does matter. I agree that it's a tragedy, but the end result of high Hispanic immigration isn't nearly as bad as that of high Muslim immigration. I have lived in Latin American countries. I have family members and friends who have lived in Islamic countries. I would vastly prefer the former.

Yes, it represents a loss for traditional Northern European white culture, but South America is still representative of European (and mostly Christian) culture, not a pagan or anti-Christian one.


They might not actively try to kill whites with the same fervor as muzzies but they definitely do not respect or like them.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 03, 2016 4:59 PM  

58% in the U.S. still believe that?

Distressing that only 7% said "worse".

I wonder what the figure is if you exclude nonwhites.

Also, I'm pretty much certain that Canada is even more cucked; probably Australia and New Zealand too.

Blogger rycamor August 03, 2016 5:00 PM  

Yes, the USA is fast on its way to super-sized Banana Republic. That's a shame. The real shame of it is that we still have the psychotic schoolmarm that the Federal Government and its agencies have become, as well as many of the state-based agencies who are tasked with enforcing "compliance" of this or that nature.

The full-on psycho bit is the one thing America has that is WORSE than any other country I know of. Here, your life can be ruined because one child utters a sentence, with no proof, or even ample proof to the contrary. Or your life can be ruined if some overzealous local bureaucrat decides to target you for any of a million potential infractions of state or Federal laws, codes, regulations, etc...

The fact that we are efficient at it is what makes it all the worse. Bureaucrats in Latin countries simply want to live well and enjoy the fruits of prestige and powerful connections. Here, they REALLY do care about enforcing the rules, however bizarre and pointless they may be.

Blogger cheddarman August 03, 2016 5:00 PM  

There is still hope for the American South. I am sure they still don't like Yankees, other assorted invaders, and never will. And when the time comes, the Southrons wont be afraid to use the business end of a gun.

Blogger rycamor August 03, 2016 5:01 PM  

Discard wrote:22. rycamor: The average Hispanic is not compatible with the average White. They are more compatible with White trash. But I'll take the White trash any day. They are still our people, our culture, and capable of improvement.

Understand, I am not arguing FOR the proposition. Just pointing out the difference, and which I would rather put up with if I had to. Hispanics are not likely to behead Christians in the town square, or fire-bomb your church in the name of Quetzalcoatl.

Anonymous AllenArmory August 03, 2016 5:03 PM  

It would be interesting to see what the % would be if only indigenous ethnic groups were surveyed.

Blogger Ultimus Americanus August 03, 2016 5:04 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:58% in the U.S. still believe that?

Distressing that only 7% said "worse".

I wonder what the figure is if you exclude nonwhites.

Also, I'm pretty much certain that Canada is even more cucked; probably Australia and New Zealand too.


This was my immediate reaction, too - what would the results be if only whites were polled?

I also suspect a high degree of dishonest answers to a question like this.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 03, 2016 5:04 PM  

crand wrote:Good thing I'm an EU citizen if that's the case.
And on the other thread you were ragging on Europeans?
WTF is wrong with... Oh, right, you're a woman.

Blogger rycamor August 03, 2016 5:04 PM  

Point being, I am pretty sure if the USA had to endure Muslim refugee immigration proportional to what, say, Greece has, the poll numbers would look a lot more like Greece's.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 5:08 PM  

Numerically, yes, but cultural composition does matter. I agree that it's a tragedy, but the end result of high Hispanic immigration isn't nearly as bad as that of high Muslim immigration. I have lived in Latin American countries. I have family members and friends who have lived in Islamic countries. I would vastly prefer the former.

Islamic countries are a pretty low bar, of course. I spent a number of years as the only Anglo in a Hispanic village abroad. Some of the traits I noticed there--embrace of authoritarianism and a rigid class system chief among them--already have started to become the norm here. The loss to the United States will be immense, and those of us with an institutional memory that predates the transition will be eliminated in two generations unless we partition properly.

Yes, it represents a loss for traditional Northern European white culture, but South America is still representative of European (and mostly Christian) culture, not a pagan or anti-Christian one.

Mexico, at its core, is a pagan culture veiled in Catholicism. Agreed as to most of the rest of Latin America.

OpenID luciussomesuch August 03, 2016 5:08 PM  

"Vermont fits your description to a T.. but is doomed. Its as homogenous white and agrarian as it comes but 2 out of every 3 residents is a virtue signaling prog-lib. Many of the residents are transplanted ((New Yawkers and New Jooisy-ites)). Now the stupid shits are bringing in Syrians. When those fuckers go full Jihad on the residents of the state the lib - cucks will be holding candlelight vigils and forums to discuss why the stone age invaders are feeling disenfranchised and what can be done to make a more inclusive environment for them."

Reminded me of one of many passages in Saul Bellow's Allan Bloom roman a clef "Ravelstein", where Ravelstein upbraids "Chick" for wanting to move to rural Connecticut. He tells him something like, "I'd hate to be a Jew out there when all the lights go out."

Even in 2002 or whenever it came out, this infuriated me. Do (((they))) seriously think the yeomanry of Connecticut are going to-- oh, to hell with (((them))) . . .

OT: the pop-up news crawl on the bing homepage is alerting me to a rash of "WILL TRUMP DROP OUT OF RACE?!?!" skullduggery from our bizarrely predictively-programming press. Apparently the New York Daily News thinks this week has been "disastrous" for Trump!

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 5:10 PM  

Point being, I am pretty sure if the USA had to endure Muslim refugee immigration proportional to what, say, Greece has, the poll numbers would look a lot more like Greece's.

The recent violent assaults on United States soil should achieve the same result as migration but a substantial minority still oppose elimination of all Muslim entry.

Blogger praetorian August 03, 2016 5:10 PM  

Feels bad man...

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 5:12 PM  

I also suspect a high degree of dishonest answers to a question like this.

Good point, and the paranoia about pollsters is understandable.

Blogger Franz Lionheart August 03, 2016 5:12 PM  

Unaccented? You gotta be shitting us. Americans have a HEAVY accent. As I've freely often stated ... German here but been living in London for 10+ years now .... Still a German nationalist, but the English nationalism rubs off. So, I frequently find myself in a call centre , say, United Airlines or something, in Atlanta or something ... I cannot understand a word, and I tell her so, with the remark, "Could you please repeat that again.... This time in English please?"

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 03, 2016 5:13 PM  

The only thing surprising is that he was surprised. I would have expected that whole different languages, religions and physical appearance thing to have been a big clue.

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 03, 2016 5:16 PM  

Good point rycamor. I think, the relative compatibility of Hispanics will prevent a secession from ever taking place and that instead, the US will just let itself turn into an upper-end 3rd World country, maybe at best a 2nd World country, if there is such a thing.

Yep. The US is turning into Brazil, with a small, wealthy class of white professionals and a very large, very poor underclass. The difference being that the underclass will contain more whites than it does in Brazil.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 5:16 PM  

HBD is yielding very painful truths.

We don't yet know what are the odds that the "talented tenth" of blacks produce kids with the disastrous MAO-A five repeat allele, but we already know empirically that they on average produce kids who trend toward the African American IQ mean. The College Board is desperately hiding the dirty little secret that college grad blacks' kids average SAT is the same as white HS grads' kids', and higher-income blacks' kids average SAT is the same as the poorest cohort of whites' kids.

After 50 years and trillions of dollars, the Blank Slate is all but a corpse. When that false narrative goes Toes Up for good, the Occam's Razor narrative is fully warmed up and ready to take the stage.

Immivasion will last not a microsecond after that, they are that closely linked.

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/testing.htm

Blogger VFM #7634 August 03, 2016 5:18 PM  

Point being, I am pretty sure if the USA had to endure Muslim refugee immigration proportional to what, say, Greece has, the poll numbers would look a lot more like Greece's.

Possibly. The fact that Latin Americans are at least nominally Christian, and that we have the lowest percentage of Muslims in the entire Western world (aside from ex-Communist Central European countries like Poland), puts Americans off their guard regarding immigration.

Another reason, I suspect, is sexual. To put it bluntly: here in the U.S., you're allowed to get with the immigrants' girls. It would nicely explain why Japan is so reluctant to let in immigrants, and Russia only really permits it from ex-Soviet republics, whereas Britain and its diasporas such as Aus/N.Z., with its ugly women, is much more open. Also, by this logic, no society would ever accept Muslim immigration -- unless it was being run by women.

Blogger rycamor August 03, 2016 5:20 PM  

Robert Divinity wrote:Numerically, yes, but cultural composition does matter. I agree that it's a tragedy, but the end result of high Hispanic immigration isn't nearly as bad as that of high Muslim immigration. I have lived in Latin American countries. I have family members and friends who have lived in Islamic countries. I would vastly prefer the former.

Islamic countries are a pretty low bar, of course. I spent a number of years as the only Anglo in a Hispanic village abroad. Some of the traits I noticed there--embrace of authoritarianism and a rigid class system chief among them--already have started to become the norm here. The loss to the United States will be immense, and those of us with an institutional memory that predates the transition will be eliminated in two generations unless we partition properly.


Agreed. But as Vox says of Italy, there is official authoritarianism, but in practice a lot of it is ignored or avoided (or handled via the usual bribes). And of course, the class system is very easy to judge by skin color, the whiter the higher the class.

Yes, it represents a loss for traditional Northern European white culture, but South America is still representative of European (and mostly Christian) culture, not a pagan or anti-Christian one.

Mexico, at its core, is a pagan culture veiled in Catholicism. Agreed as to most of the rest of Latin America.


The Catholic church practiced syncretism throughout the continent, so you'll find lots of pagan superstitions mixed everywhere. However, there is also a fairly high Protestant population throughout Latin America (my father being one of the many missionaries responsible for this)

Blogger Franz Lionheart August 03, 2016 5:21 PM  

OT

Munich resident who insulted Muslim gun killer has been charged legally .... Because of use of insulting language. Police is legally bound to investigate.

No joke.



Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 5:23 PM  

Those of you who think Brazil is the future for the USA may be under-appreciating the entitlement problem and the trend of politics.

No minority group can produce what the majority white Western system yields. They know it in Brazil and they (sort of) sit still for it.

They won't tolerate it in the USA. They'll add burdens on the productive fraction, layer upon layer, until either the productive Go Galt or the system degrades to near 3rd world status.

Long before that the productive fraction will revolt. Partition is inevitable. Only it's timing is unknown.

Blogger Franz Lionheart August 03, 2016 5:23 PM  

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Blogger Franz Lionheart August 03, 2016 5:25 PM  

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original link to newspaper report

Blogger Michael August 03, 2016 5:31 PM  

Vox, I have a question for you. My next door neighbor is from Germany. He told me that I look central european. I took a DNA test and it shows my ancestors 98% European (with 2% European jew). I cannot figure out what he means. I am six feet tall, 195 BMI of about 22, with blue green eyes and brown hair. IQ in the 120's (dad was along the lines of Einstein). Thank you if you or one of the Ilk answer.

Anonymous Andy August 03, 2016 5:35 PM  

White socks.

Fuck me, what is it with Yanks and white socks?

Only on the tennis court.

Anonymous The OASF August 03, 2016 5:36 PM  

"I find it quite easy to spot the Americans myself. They tend to be fatter and louder than anyone else..."

Once Monsanto has poisoned Italy's food supply with its GMOs... we'll see which country has the most fatties per capita... with the way those Italians like to eat at all...

Anonymous Polllllll August 03, 2016 5:37 PM  

Wearing my white sneakers right now.

Blogger Teri August 03, 2016 5:38 PM  

If we had some serious global cooling, it would clear out some of your problems. Vermont used to be full of hardy self-sufficient types and climate was the reason.

Blogger Sam Lively August 03, 2016 5:40 PM  

Americans have more room/opportunity/willingness to move to escape diversity if they don't enjoy it. I live in Southern California - the knowledge that I can readily move to another state makes it much easier to take a more chillaxed attitude to the reconquista.

As a transplant from Oregon, I just don't feel ownership of California and I think that goes for a lot of people. It's like living in a giant international airport or train station.

Blogger Brian S August 03, 2016 5:42 PM  

...and so the west fell, mostly because they couldn't agree on footwear color choices

Anonymous Cyclone Bob August 03, 2016 5:43 PM  

andon: 58% in the U.S. still believe that?

VFM: Distressing that only 7% said "worse".


+1. I notice the diversity (not necessarily blecks) everyday, and everyday I say to myself, "God this sucks. Wtf is wrong with us?"

Anonymous Greg August 03, 2016 5:47 PM  

"On a tangential note, it's hard to believe, but the USA is even more cucked than Sweden."

Could just be push-polling.

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski August 03, 2016 5:59 PM  

Only 14%! We are so xenophobic. Damn, I am proud of my country.

Blogger ZhukovG August 03, 2016 6:04 PM  

So Vox, you predict a Trump victory. DH predicts a Hillary victory. Since immigration is one of Trumps major points of attack. If that poll is accurate, it paints a grim picture for November.

I just hope free trade is sufficiently hated to tip the scale back to Trump. A Hillary victory is a horrible thing to contemplate. I'd rather look at Steve's media postings.

Blogger weka August 03, 2016 6:07 PM  

Agree. Reason I moved from the one big Kiwi city

Blogger weka August 03, 2016 6:08 PM  

Agree. Reason I moved from the one big Kiwi city

Anonymous BGKB August 03, 2016 6:13 PM  

Peaceful moslem on Paris bus http://pamelageller.com/2016/08/muslims-firebomb-bus-in-paris.html/

They might not actively try to kill whites with the same fervor as muzzies but they definitely do not respect or like them.

Instead of beheading they DUI along with use ambulances as taxis to go from one part of a city to another.

The College Board is desperately hiding the dirty little secret that college grad blacks' kids average SAT is the same as white HS grads' kids', and higher-income blacks' kids average SAT is the same as the poorest cohort of whites' kids.

They are not hiding it the chart can be seen at the journal of blacks in higher education, the problem is they think it means something else.

Fuck me, what is it with Yanks and white socks? Do you have a yank white sock fetish?

Anonymous Malwyn's apprentice August 03, 2016 6:18 PM  

Re Swedes vs Americans & diversity:

Size really does matter! In the US, people can still get away from the problems. However, given the smaller size of Sweden, even the backwoods hicks are feeling the impact of increased diversity on their nation.

Blogger pyrrhus August 03, 2016 6:24 PM  

Sandals with white sox--Dutch, German or Swedish

Anonymous BGKB August 03, 2016 6:25 PM  

More magic dirt fail Moslem DC metro cop. http://pamelageller.com/2016/08/dc-muslim-cop-charged-with-jihad-crimes-fought-alongside-al-qaeda-group-in-libya-in-2011.html/

Blogger Crank August 03, 2016 6:32 PM  

Not sure I'm buying the accuracy of the survey on diversity as it pertains to the U.S. If that were accurate, I can't see how Trump would have established much traction.

Anonymous cheddarman August 03, 2016 6:35 PM  

Given that our very own Dark Lord is fluent in Italian, I would love to see him talking with his hands.

A number of Italian coworkers over the years have told me this joke:

Q: "how do you make it impossible for an Italian to speak?"
A: "Tie up his hands"

Anonymous A Visitor August 03, 2016 6:41 PM  

@58

Well, per an article on Drudge a week or so ago, we may be getting global cooling.

@59

Ugh! I lived in the High Desert for 9 months...granted, I enjoyed being on the other side of the country but you couldn't pay me enough to do that again.

@63 I would be too!

OT: A dual citizen friend just sent me a FoxNews poll lamenting how "we should be crushing [Hillary" and that Trump is the "worst candidate ever." I told him to stop crapping his pants and that Dukakis was leading Bush and Carter Reagan, the latter up to Election Day.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 6:42 PM  

That joke is good, but I'm STILL laughing at the one asking in Sub-Saharan Africa, "What's the difference between a tourist and a racist? About two weeks."

Blogger Pseudotsuga August 03, 2016 7:00 PM  

Franz Lionheart wrote:Americans have a HEAVY accent... So, I frequently find myself in a call centre , say, United Airlines or something, in Atlanta or something ... I cannot understand a word, and I tell her so, with the remark, "Could you please repeat that again.... This time in English please?"

I know I had trouble understanding some down and dirty dialects in the United Kingdom-- it really didn't sound like English at all! And we won't get into the problem of German dialects! ;-)

But getting back to why we think diversity is the way to go in the Western USA:
We in the west have such a history of mixtures and movement (from Lewis and Clark, Oregon Trail, California Gold Rush, Klondike Gold Rush, Dust Bowl migrations, World War II bases) that we think that's the norm. Thus, we get Portlandia as the norm, with diversity and wackiness celebrated for its own sake.
There was also room for people to spread out, so people came to farm, fish or mine but only in rare instances did they have the large enough numbers of one European group create the ethnic enclaves celebrated in the big East coast cities...except for the Chinese, who were considered REALLY foreign (not to mention very few blacks, who didn't really come in any numbers to the West Coast until the World Wars.)
We (using the collective noun) Northwesterners also feel such liberal guilt for not being so tolerant and diverse in the past. During the later 1800s, the Chinese were booted out of the cities (Portland, Tacoma, Seattle).
Just a couple years ago, a few millions were spent on a park in Tacoma, Washington to apologize for this action: Chinese Reconciliation Park The web page gives this apology for what happened:
[The park stands as] an acknowledgment of the forceful expulsion of the Chinese population of the City of Tacoma by municipal leaders and a large crowd on November 3, 1885, and as a celebration of the city’s multicultural past, present, and future. The expulsion was an act of exclusion in response to complex conditions of the time, among them economic decline and anti-Chinese sentiment
And thus we get "Oh, no, diversity is good! I am not a racist!" answers to polls such as this.

Blogger Michael Maier August 03, 2016 7:10 PM  

VD wrote:Romagnoli hate Emilia, Milanese despise Napolitano, Bolognese hate Fiorenzi, and the Veneto hate everyone.

And no one can understand a single damn thing the Calabresi say.


But don't they make killer salame? That has to count for something.

I don't believe this poll. No one answers their land-line phones, IF they still have one. The folks answering these polls are OLD. Even if they have anti-Darkie sentiments (And they DO, I'm sure...) , they're not confessing that to a pollster out of guilt and shame.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook August 03, 2016 7:11 PM  

Say want you will of America at least they arnt Canada. Trudeau keeps fucking telling me its 2016 no matter what I tell him.

Blogger The Kurgan August 03, 2016 7:24 PM  

Veneto hate everyone.

And no one can understand a single damn thing the Calabresi say.


Only because we are right and Venice is not part of Italy. And as soon as I have a bit of time I'm making it La Serenissima again. And becoming Doge.

Secondly, no one understands the Calabresi because they are from Africa, like everything south of Rome.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume August 03, 2016 7:36 PM  

@76

I thought the same thing about the phones! The people in these surveys are the people who still use and answer landlines, landlines showing numbers they don't recognize.

Make of that what you will.

Back to Americans abroad.

In the mid-90's I was chosen to take part in an exchange program in college. I spent a semester at the Noordelijke Hogeschool Leeuwarden in the Low Countries. There were ten students from the USA, ten from Russia and smaller numbers from other countries including Spain, the UK, Poland, Ireland, Greece, Denmark and Norway.

Had the time of my life.

But I was shocked at not only how different they were but also how insular. Russians did not willingly mix with the Brits but would talk to Americans. Northern Irish would associate with Americans and Scots but no one else, especially the Irish (Republic). The Greeks and Spaniards wouldn't associate with anyone at all outside of their group.

And we were there for almost six months. I made some great friends with Russians and some Scots and a guy from Belfast (who I still talk to!). But it shocked me, coming from over here, how little they all mixed with each other.

And the Dutch were the most annoying of all. It's like we were all there to be lectured on the evils of Nationalism and how the growing EU would save The World As We Know It. It got a bit thick.

The funniest thing I remember was that all of the Polish jokes I had heard my whole life were told over there but they were told about the French or Belgians. Same damn jokes and punchlines.

Blogger Michael Maier August 03, 2016 7:56 PM  

"numbers they don't recognize"

I'm one of the few humans without CALLER ID on my landline. I regret picking up 96% of the time when I do not use my answering machine to screen.

And 80% of the times I do so, it's AMVETS or the FOP. And I always forget to be taken off of the list before I hang up.

Blogger Servant of the Chief August 03, 2016 8:08 PM  

American tourists are always a treat I find, but then I live outside the big cities of Belfast and Dublin, so I am more likely to run into the yanks who are less enamoured with Globalism, or simply the misinformed who want to experience the 'real' Ireland. They are wonderfully friendly, if a little loud.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 8:25 PM  

Also, I'm pretty much certain that Canada is even more cucked; probably Australia and New Zealand too.

I can assure you Australia is. I visited there a few years back for the first time since the mid-Eighties. The degree to which the men have been feminized is staggering. I had been there last just before the Port Arthur shooting and firearms ownership still was widespread. The self-righteous decrying of American gun ownership was self-parodying. The airports in Sydney and Melbourne now make a point to hire Muslims, and it took my breath away to see almost exclusively women in hijabs (most Indonesian) running security. Families I have known most of my life, some of whom were racial realists in the day, sung the praises of the new diversity. Dual-naming, in English and aboriginal, had become the norm. And on and on and on. One more because I can't resist: an ex-girlfriend actually confided how ashamed she was to have blue eyes and blonde hair.

It was the most depressing return ever to a place associated with my youth and I won't go back.

Blogger weka August 03, 2016 8:41 PM  

In white bread Kiwi region s people believe in diversity. As an ex Aucklander where three us diversity, people mouth the oieties while plotting their escape... And all the suburbs are ghettos.

Anonymous Shannon August 03, 2016 8:42 PM  

We played the guess the ethnicity game too with excellent accuracy. Americans are also easy to spot because the men are wearing baseball hats 90 percent of the time

Blogger Gaiseric August 03, 2016 8:42 PM  

There was another poll referenced in Breitbart that had huge majorities against immigration in the US.

Polls are polls. I'm sceptical.

Blogger Gaiseric August 03, 2016 8:42 PM  

There was another poll referenced in Breitbart that had huge majorities against immigration in the US.

Polls are polls. I'm sceptical.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 8:51 PM  

I think it was Gallup that was basically threatened by current admin prior to 2012 election because they didn't like Gallup's methodology (Romney was doing too well)

Anonymous Sheiko29 August 03, 2016 9:00 PM  

"Once Monsanto has poisoned Italy's food supply with its GMOs... we'll see which country has the most fatties per capita.."

Oh come on. Calories in calories out. Full stop. Lift heavy, HIIT, and don't eat like trash and the chins will melt off.

It is interesting comparing the Italians I saw in Italy vs. god-old Jersey guidos. The former were much shorter. And just smaller, generally. Didn't even lift, bro.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 August 03, 2016 9:07 PM  

I didn't notice this when I was in Germany, but then I wasn't thinking about it.

Anonymous #ImWithHer August 03, 2016 9:11 PM  

It's interesting how when your guy was in the lead, polls were awesome and accurate. Here comes the Trumpening/TrumpTrain/Trumpslide! Now that Hilary is back in front (with her post-convention bounce), polls are trash.

I agree with VD that polling right now is not telling the whole story. There's a honeymoon period right now for Hilary that is going to dissipate and Trump is going to close again. BUT the debates will bury him once and for all. He doesn't have enough discipline to debate Hilary. It's not that he isn't smart enough (he's not), or doesn't have good ideas (he doesn't), it's that he has the attention span of a gnat and won't prepare well enough for them. Once Hilary exposes that, college-educated whites (who control this election more than any other) are going to abandon him in droves.

With college-educated whites, it's not his abilities that are at issue, it's his temperament. And he shows no sign of caring about that.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 9:22 PM  

@90

Whites, college-educated and otherwise, are going to abandon the Democratic Party in such numbers this year it will implode. Hillary will choke, likely literally as well as figuratively, and Assange will finish her off either right before the first debate or between debates.

Do you get paid to do this?

Blogger haus frau August 03, 2016 9:26 PM  

"With college-educated whites, it's not his abilities that are at issue, it's his temperament. And he shows no sign of caring about that."

I see this is the attack propaganda of choice. It's not like they can put Hildebeast's working record out there as proof of her superior skilz and she is undeniably corrupt so they are going with some version of the ill tempered devil you know being better than the ill tempered devil you don't know.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt August 03, 2016 9:27 PM  

I'm sure the pro-diversity figures for Canada would be VERY high. One reason is that about 80% of our population likes in urban centers, and the large cities are all hopelessly infested with left-liberalism. In the rural areas and the small towns and villages, people are highly skeptical of foreign invasion, as they are of the PC crap that dominates Canadian life. But those people are severely outnumbered by the urban hive-dwellers.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 9:28 PM  

@92

Normal Americans simply aren't about to vote for a corrupt traitor. They just aren't. Normal still is the majority, too.

What this has to do with Europe, of course, is hard to fathom. Maybe the thread reached a threshold level so it had to be trolled.

Blogger CM August 03, 2016 9:29 PM  

Fascinating. I'm surprised there are Americans that are unaware. I don't travel, but interacted with both French and German foreign exchange students and a close family friend is married to a Brit.

The people newly arrived from Africa are incredibly different, too. You can tell a Nigerian before they open their mouth and speak with their heavy accent. You know they aren't an American black.

The beauty in distinct cultures is lost on us, but I didn't think we were unaware of the differences in accent, facial features, coloring, mannerisms, and dress (more understated as fashion has been a world trend in the west for a few centuries).

Blogger ZhukovG August 03, 2016 9:29 PM  

@90 This thread is about the comparative attitudes toward immigration and multiculturalism between Europeans and Americans. Specifically noting that Europeans appear less enamored with the concept than Americans.

Thought I'd help since reading comprehension....well comprehension in general is a spot of a challenge for you progs.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt August 03, 2016 9:31 PM  

"... it's his temperament." That expression immediately brings to mind all the praise heaped on Barack Obama and his "first-class temperament". That stinking 8-year catastrophe will inoculate voters to the argument that this is something they should be concerned about.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 9:35 PM  

urban hive-dwellers

That's an apt description of contemporary Australians, too. The left-wing hive mind also dominates there.

Blogger rcocean August 03, 2016 9:38 PM  

"fatter and louder than anyone else"

Yes, I was constantly annoyed in Paris by loud-mouthed Americans who thought that everyone on the Bus or Metro wanted to hear their opinion about Uncle Sol's gallbladder operation. Most of the Euro's tried to keep their voices low.

Blogger rcocean August 03, 2016 9:40 PM  

American's will continue to be cucks on diversity until it hits them in the pocket book. You can brainwash a Yank about anything, but once you start taking $$$$ out of his wallet he pays attention.

Blogger rcocean August 03, 2016 9:41 PM  

American's will continue to be cucks on diversity until it hits them in the pocket book. You can brainwash a Yank about anything, but once you start taking $$$$ out of his wallet he pays attention.

Blogger rcocean August 03, 2016 9:41 PM  

"fatter and louder than anyone else"

Yes, I was constantly annoyed in Paris by loud-mouthed Americans who thought that everyone on the Bus or Metro wanted to hear their opinion about Uncle Sol's gallbladder operation. Most of the Euro's tried to keep their voices low.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt August 03, 2016 9:42 PM  

On the subject of European insularity, I once translated and made fansubs for a French movie set in a remote village in the Pyranees. Some of the locals are gossiping in the tavern about a down on his luck neighbor, and one of them makes the mistake of laughing along with the joke. This brings an immediate slapdown:

"What are you laughing about? You're not from here!"
"I came here when I was 3 days old!"
"Three days or 3 months, it's the same thing. Yes, you came here when you were little, and you've never lived anywhere else. But you're still not from here! You're from the next village."
"It's not far."
"It doesn't matter. You're not from here. You're an outsider. A stranger!"

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 9:44 PM  

90. Anonymous #ImWithHer August 03, 2016 9:11 PM

...BUT the debates will bury him once and for all. He doesn't have enough discipline to debate Hilary.


how many debates did Hillary have with Bernie before she quit because he was "being too mean" lol

Trump has already buried 16, what's one more?

her only chance is if she gets the questions ahead of time

Blogger JCclimber August 03, 2016 9:44 PM  

rycamor wrote:Keep that in mind every time you hear people intoning that Europe is doomed. The situation in the USA is worse by nearly every single measure.

Yes, it represents a loss for traditional Northern European white culture, but South America is still representative of European (and mostly Christian) culture, not a pagan or anti-Christian one.

You ever witness their Dia de las muertos celebrations? Seen either the recent Batman vs Superman, Spectre, or Fear of the Walking Dead if you haven't actually watched their completely non-pagan and totally christian ancestor spirit worship?

About 90% of Hispanic culture is pagan, with about 10% of a christian veneer applied over the top.

That said, there are a lot of genuine Christians in Latin America, and they are certainly much preferable to the desert pedophile and homoloving religion.

Blogger JCclimber August 03, 2016 9:46 PM  

Franz Lionheart wrote:Unaccented? You gotta be shitting us. Americans have a HEAVY accent. As I've freely often stated ... German here but been living in London for 10+ years now .... Still a German nationalist, but the English nationalism rubs off. So, I frequently find myself in a call centre , say, United Airlines or something, in Atlanta or something ... I cannot understand a word, and I tell her so, with the remark, "Could you please repeat that again.... This time in English please?"



You may or may not realize that Americans struggle to understand those minimum wage black women at those call centers, I'm not sure if you're trolling or not.

Blogger Daniel August 03, 2016 10:00 PM  

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Blogger Daniel August 03, 2016 10:02 PM  

Problem is the word average. High standar deviation in hispanics. Think of rene favaloro or salma hayek. Not so high in african muslims

Blogger GracieLou August 03, 2016 10:06 PM  

Americans can stay homogeneous, even over many years, if they are part of an ethnic-religious group. One half of my family are English Quakers. In order to remain an English Quaker, you marry other English Quakers. There was no mixing of the races. The other side are British "genetic bottleneck" mountain folk. "Inbred" is such a harsh word, but you know.

One time my husband called from England and said, "My God, everyone here looks like you, it's bizarre."

Also, I seem to attract ex-pat Brits. I have several as friends. I understand their bitchy curmudgeoness more than your average American apparently. To me they are comfortable and hilarious.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 03, 2016 10:11 PM  

To the question: 'Do you like diversity???'

Its a lot like 'When did you stop beating your wife?'

There is no good answer, and only one right one which could of been assumed WITHOUT asking.

Blogger Matthew August 03, 2016 10:17 PM  

Stop responding to liars, y'all.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 10:25 PM  

@ #110 - I think the answer is "Do you like dogsht??"

Anonymous BGKB August 03, 2016 10:35 PM  

@ #110 - I think the answer is "Do you like dogsht??"

Gay comedian Mocks IS IS leader Al Bag Daddy. While WIKI leaks say 1700 HillDog mails prove she armed IS IS.

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/08/isis-gay-club/
http://pamelageller.com/2016/08/video-julian-assange-says-1700-emails-in-hillary-clintons-collection-proves-she-sold-weapons-to-isis-in-syria.html/

Anonymous Roundtine August 03, 2016 11:38 PM  

I could always spot the German tourists in China. They always look like middle class Americans. At first glance you think American because of one of the kid's Megadeth t-shirt, but there's always a tell such as the father's shorts.

After living in China, around Korean and Japanese students, I was able to tell the Asians apart as you can tell apart Europeans with experience. I was often able to place Chinese in their province or general region without hearing them speak. When I came back to the U.S., white people also started to look the same. I had trouble following new war movies cause the whites started to look similar.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 04, 2016 12:52 AM  

How the hell does someone pick up a Minnesota accent from an Idaho rodeo clown school?

As far as partition goes, the question I have is.... how long does it last? We took the southwest from Mexicans once. if we give it back, I'm pretty sure we'll take it again, sooner or later. Besides, there would still be a border, and they would still do everything they could to cross it.

The immediate problem with partition is getting everybody geographically sorted, but once we do that, the real problem begins. The recently sorted, and probably pissed off, factions now share borders and grudges.

Anonymous St. Cecilia August 04, 2016 1:07 AM  

"... the Calabresi ... are from Africa, like everything south of Rome."


Are they known to swing the heavy lumber?

Blogger Burner Prime August 04, 2016 2:19 AM  

Interesting how Italy and Greece, front and center, bearing the full brunt and impact in the Muslim invasion, are the ones to conclude that more ethnicities is a bad thing.

Anonymous Philipp August 04, 2016 7:29 AM  

@85: You are right to be sceptical of polls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

Anonymous Francis August 04, 2016 8:54 AM  

French national speaking, of both jewish sephardic and french original descent.
Europe is not a unity. It's indeed a maximum of diversity on a small space. We are different people, cultures, régions, nations. What unifies us all is Athens and Jerusalem. The universality of christianism and of science. We have a unity of civilisation. No more.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=02nLxNzIA9g

Anonymous Francis August 04, 2016 9:02 AM  

On the link: "Neither Lampedusa not Brussels, being european".

Anonymous Fnord Prefect August 04, 2016 9:05 AM  

VD wrote:Romagnoli hate Emilia, Milanese despise Napolitano, Bolognese hate Fiorenzi, and the Veneto hate everyone.

And no one can understand a single damn thing the Calabresi say.



The French have refined regional bigotry to a mathematical science, literally. Regional departments are numbered so the 69s are arrogant, the 42's are dumb, the 1's are slow...Car licence plates used to include the department number on them but apparently it encouraged road rage against "foreigners" so they were removed.

However, the greatest distinction is between Paris and "les provinces" (provinces). France is a very centralised socialist bureaucracy - everything is run from Paris. People are not allowed be prefect (regional governor) of the department they come from to avoid building any kind of regional power base against the Parisian elites.

While it happened long before Garibaldi et al united Italy, France is still a pretty Balkanised region controlled by a strong central power (Paris).

In pro-France bigotry is known as chauvanism which has much less negative connotations than the english equivalent. The one that always makes me laugh is when you visit Switzerland with French people and point out how clean the place is. They always reply that, "The Swiss are clean chez eux (at home)," as if the instant they cross the border into France they start littering (and as if any extra detritus would be noticed in the layers the socialised natives and the dindus spread around because, "Someone is paid to pick that up.")

Blogger Unknown August 04, 2016 9:17 AM  

I find it quite easy to spot the Americans myself. They tend to be fatter and louder than anyone else

They say travel broadens the mind, but for Americans it widens the ass.

Anonymous Avalanche August 04, 2016 9:53 AM  

@88 "Calories in calories out. Full stop."

Boy, are YOU ever behind the times! Multiple (good!) studies have shown that eating the exact same "number" of calories but of different composition do NOT result in the same result!

Go read (any/all of): Gary Taubes, Mark Sisson, Robb Wolf, Chris Kresser, Dr. Peter Attia, Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt, Dr. Mike Eades...

Blogger dfordoom August 04, 2016 8:33 PM  

@98. Robert Divinity

That's an apt description of contemporary Australians, too. The left-wing hive mind also dominates there.

It's a hive mind certainly but it isn't left-wing. It's a globalist hive mind and as is the case everywhere else it's pushed by big business. Free trade, mass immigration and identity politics - there's nothing remotely left-wing about any of these things. It's the standard neocon agenda.

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