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Wednesday, August 10, 2016

Mailvox: how can you tell?

JI wants to know how one can accurately pick out the sociopaths among one's acquaintances and colleagues. A few observations:
  1. Look for abrupt changes in demeanor as the situation changes, and particularly for a wide-eyed, "caught red-handed" reaction when such a change is observed. Sociopaths go from bright-eyed, charming, and friendly to dead-eyed and icy cold in the blink of an eye. Normal people do not.
  2. Beware of anyone who is too friendly too soon. It's one thing to hit it off with someone, it's another to have someone glom onto you for no apparent reason.
  3. Perma-victims are usually perpetrators. Female sociopaths, in particular, are adept at revising every story to make themselves the victim, especially when they were the culprit. If nothing is ever someone's fault, it's usually all their fault.
  4. Trust your instincts. If you find someone repellant but you don't know why, it's your subconscious picking up on small contradictions that you haven't recognized. Keep a close eye on that individual and you'll usually discover what it was that your subconscious was warning you about.
  5. Sociopaths have a very alert gaze and they are always scanning to see if anyone is watching them. If you intentionally let them know you are onto them by not looking away and smiling at them in a "gotcha" manner, they will confirm their sociopathy by abruptly changing their behavior towards you, usually by becoming avoidant and launching a whisper campaign against you. This can be risky, of course, but it does provide certain confirmation. I would not recommend it for most people, as most people are insufficiently ruthless to deal effectively with sociopaths.
  6. A shallow "salesman" effect. If someone is always "hail fellow well met", but doesn't have any real friends, this is a warning sign.
  7. An attempt to "take over" a group of friends or a social organization, particularly if they attempt to cut out the person who brought them into the group.
  8. Persistent cheating and parasitism, especially in small matters that no one normally keeps track of. I'm not talking about someone who is cheap, but someone who is always a taker and never a giver or even a fair-exchanger.
  9. Constant whisper campaigns. Sociopaths are even more concerned with controlling the narrative than SJWs. If you find that someone has told three different stories to three different people about the same event, be alert.
  10. Be very skeptical of all sob stories. If you encourage a sociopath telling one by feigning shock and sympathy, he will proceed to go deeper, adding more and more detail, and more and more pathos, taking the story into completely absurd territory in order to see how much of a sucker you are and what he can get away with.
None of these things are definitive, they are merely suggestive. But taken as a whole, they are reliably conclusive.

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 10, 2016 11:06 AM  

Are you saying Taylor Swift, perma victim,is a sociopath?

Anonymous Peter Blood August 10, 2016 11:06 AM  

10. If you can't ever spot the sociopath, maybe YOU are the sociopath.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker August 10, 2016 11:14 AM  

With respect to No. 2: First the shark circles, then it bumps, then it bites. That's a cliche, but one well worth remembering because there is a clear pattern to sociopathic behavior.

Anonymous Peter Grant August 10, 2016 11:21 AM  

A slight quibble.

"Sociopaths go from bright-eyed, charming, and friendly to dead-eyed and icy cold in the blink of an eye. Normal people do not .... Sociopaths have a very alert gaze and they are always scanning to see if anyone is watching them."

The same observations might be made about combat veterans. They're not sociopaths - they're just prepared to deal with them, or any other "-path" that needs to be dealt with.

Just my $0.02 worth ...

Blogger Student in Blue August 10, 2016 11:25 AM  

Peter, that's why he concluded with "None of these things are definitive, they are merely suggestive. But taken as a whole, they are reliably conclusive."

Blogger Revelation Means Hope August 10, 2016 11:28 AM  

Sounds like about 25% of the women I see every day in the San Francisco region.
Especially 1, 3, 7, 8, 9, and of course, 10.

But then, modern American women are often narcissistic, parasitic, gossipy passive aggressive perpetual victims.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 10, 2016 11:29 AM  

In computer gaming terms. The Sociopath views the world around them as a 'Single Player, Role Playing Game'.

The Sociopath is the Player, everyone else is just a Non-Player Character that exists for their amusement.

Anonymous drive-by-comment August 10, 2016 11:29 AM  

If you think you might be dealing with a sociopath, get this book:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0087OUIM6

My only criticism of the book is that it doesn't have a chapter devoted to borderline personality disorder.

Blogger Starbuck August 10, 2016 11:31 AM  

Geez, That gave me the willies.

Blogger VD August 10, 2016 11:31 AM  

The same observations might be made about combat veterans.

No, combat veterans stop scanning after they check out everyone in the room. If you watch them, you can see them relax after concluding everything is all right. Sociopaths never stop scanning, because they are constantly monitoring everyone else's reactions to them.

Also, combat vets don't have the dead eyes of an exposed sociopath. They might quickly change to grim and business-like, but there is still someone there.

Blogger VD August 10, 2016 11:34 AM  

Are you saying Taylor Swift, perma victim,is a sociopath?

Not having spent much time with Tay-Tay, I couldn't say. But it wouldn't shock me. It's not only the perma-victim thing, but the best-friend rotation thing.

Anonymous Bowman August 10, 2016 11:36 AM  

A perfect example of psycho/sociopath just showed up.
Former Acting CIA Director Morell :
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2016/august/09/former-acting-cia-director-morell-we-need-to-kill-russians-and-iranians/

The guy asks with a straight face for the murder of Russians & Iranians because they helped Iraqis *that were attacked without a cause*. That would obviously have a really bad impact on the world, maybe cause WW3.

Then he wants to destroy Assad, but without killing him. The without killing him part is where he mimics empathy, because he needs to appear human.

Blogger Rek. August 10, 2016 11:42 AM  

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Blogger Giraffe August 10, 2016 11:45 AM  

How many people as a percentage are sociopaths?

Blogger Rek. August 10, 2016 11:48 AM  

I've had to endure working with a female sociopath for 4 years stuck in a tiny room with 8 other women, as a man. She made everyone's life hell. Including mine. But I do thank her for what she made me endure. She forced me to never be complacent with myself, always introspect, until I had outgrown her influence. She has been tremendously helpful in my personal, socio-sexual and life development. I thank God for having put her on my path.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 10, 2016 11:50 AM  

A profoundly evil person is not necessarily a Sociopath. To truly hate a person is to ascribe a value to them and acknowledge, however negatively, that they are real.

Blogger Josh August 10, 2016 11:57 AM  

Are you saying Taylor Swift, perma victim,is a sociopath?

You know what other white nationalist icon was a sociopath?

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 10, 2016 12:00 PM  

#7 - The Sociopath is the Player, everyone else is just a Non-Player Character that exists for their amusement.

True story. A few years ago, I was editing a book for this New Age guy who had written some book about panpsychism, yada yada which he probably couldn't get any gatekeeper publishers to even touch. Anywise, at one point in this book, he straight up starts going on about how most of the other people we meet in our daily lives aren't really conscious creatures, but are just automaton constructs who only *seem* like they're conscious because of the general "panpsychic" life that pervades their atoms just as it does the rest of the universe. They're not really real people, just robots there for you interact with. Creepy stuff.

Anonymous TS August 10, 2016 12:01 PM  

"An attempt to "take over" a group of friends or a social organization, particularly if they attempt to cut out the person who brought them into the group."

They always get around to doing this. Especially in the workplace.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 10, 2016 12:07 PM  

@17 Taylor Swift is a White Nationalist icon?

Blogger Josh August 10, 2016 12:09 PM  


@17 Taylor Swift is a White Nationalist icon?


Yes. Google Taylor Swift for a Fascist Europe.

Blogger Orville August 10, 2016 12:14 PM  

Of the five persuasion tactics Liking is probably the main one that the sociopath uses. If somebody is acting like your best friend after just meeting you and mirror matching you, they might be a sociopath, or maybe they are just selling something.

Anonymous Anonymous August 10, 2016 12:15 PM  

I had an interesting experience with a sociopath.

It started in the group interview. Red Flags:
1. Complete ass-kissing to superiors
2. Somewhat fake, disingenuous laugh & other mannerisms.
3. Lacked experience on resume
4. Her response to a question on strategy for how she will collaborate & interact with us, was: "I'll do what the guy before did," (who sucked at collaborating by the way).
5. When I pressed her for specifics, her eyes betrayed her & she got defensive: "Well, how would you want me to act? What would you want me to do?"
...It was completely clear she was unfit for the job.

The entire time, my gut was telling me that something was wrong. Completely wrong with her. She should be attractive, pretty fit, but she was repulsive.

What transpired was a total nightmare. It was 3 months of constant chinese-water torture of being around this sociopath, who I could hear in the cube right next to me. She managed to:
1. Hit on me & get uncomfortably close. I had to ask for space & informed my manager that I would never be alone in a car with her.

2. Made all the fun group office chats all about her. Or, her cats or what stupid boring movie she watched by herself over the weekend. The betas & deltas ate it up....thought she was "nice." The entire office was deluded. 1 by 1, people would come to me as they figured her out.

3. After 45-60 days, I realized she constantly watched me. She would interject as people came by, to request their attention to another matter. What was worse is that if I was speaking to my boss for over 5 minutes, she would interject. It was sickening to realize this. WTF? When we had our 1v1, I told him & he said, "yeah, that's so weird....I wondered about that...." We were buddies & he took a lot of my strategy ideas.

4. A blow up occurred. She wanted a meeting at a very specific time. She scheduled a big-picture strategic meeting with myself & 2 people on my team 15 minutes prior to the 3 of us having to leave for a customer meeting. I declined. She HAD to do it at that time, since alternative times I suggested "were too close to other meetings that MIGHT run long." As she started to argue, I loudly retorted, "Do whatever you want. I don't care."

What was funny is that my 2 reps accepted the meeting, cut it to 5 minutes & left shaking their heads saying it was a waste of time.

Next thing you know, I am in a meeting with my boss & the VP. Her story is:
-I verbally abused her
-She had heard that I was a jerk, because "everybody was saying how I was a jerk" & so, I just fit the paradigm that was framed to her. THAT’S WHY she sent me “frustrated emails.”

What I had was 2 documented email chains of absolute unprofessionalism displayed by her. Apparently, she'd think angry thoughts about me & then send an email at 1030 or 11pm at night. My boss had to have a couple of conversations with her about this.

She cried in the confrontation meeting with my boss & the VP. Then, she made a comment on how we were like "family" and that our mutual boss, was like "Daddy" (huh!?!). The VP & my boss "just wanted to keep HR out of it." It was obvious Ms. Sociopath was manipulating them. There was zero clarity on what I did wrong. They just wanted the problem to go away.

If I would have read SJWAL prior, I would have calmly set her documented emails on the table & left the meeting. Go ahead, call HR, she was your bad hire & I am doing my best to navigate.

The fake sick days, getting drunk, missing training & tricking another married co-worker to visit her hotel room while she was in her underwear, finally caught up to her. My boss left soon after & the VP was demoted.

I was 1st to go. Was recruited for a gig where I do not have daily interaction with an effeminate, PC office culture.

Blogger Nick S August 10, 2016 12:16 PM  

I think you missed an important one, Vox. Sociopaths will often demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of bonds between pets and their owners.

Blogger Nate August 10, 2016 12:18 PM  

The fascinating thing is... so many of these are checked off by one of your closest allies... and you are either blind to it... or deliberately accept it as an acceptable risk factor in a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Blogger Jeff B August 10, 2016 12:19 PM  

I had an interesting experience with a sociopath.

It started in the group interview. Red Flags:
1. Complete ass-kissing to superiors
2. Somewhat fake, disingenuous laugh & other mannerisms.
3. Lacked experience on resume
4. Her response to a question on strategy for how she will collaborate & interact with us, was: "I'll do what the guy before did," (who sucked at collaborating by the way).
5. When I pressed her for specifics, her eyes betrayed her & she got defensive: "Well, how would you want me to act? What would you want me to do?"
...It was completely clear she was unfit for the job.

The entire time, my gut was telling me that something was wrong. Completely wrong with her. She should be attractive, pretty fit, but she was repulsive.

What transpired was a total nightmare. It was 3 months of constant chinese-water torture of being around this sociopath, who I could hear in the cube right next to me. She managed to:
1. Hit on me & get uncomfortably close. I had to ask for space & informed my manager that I would never be alone in a car with her.

2. Made all the fun group office chats all about her. Or, her cats or what stupid boring movie she watched by herself over the weekend. The betas & deltas ate it up....thought she was "nice." The entire office was deluded. 1 by 1, people would come to me as they figured her out.

3. After 45-60 days, I realized she constantly watched me. She would interject as people came by, to request their attention to another matter. What was worse is that if I was speaking to my boss for over 5 minutes, she would interject. It was sickening to realize this. WTF? When we had our 1v1, I told him & he said, "yeah, that's so weird....I wondered about that...." We were buddies & he took a lot of my strategy ideas.

4. A blow up occurred. She wanted a meeting at a very specific time. She scheduled a big-picture strategic meeting with myself & 2 people on my team 15 minutes prior to the 3 of us having to leave for a customer meeting. I declined. She HAD to do it at that time, since alternative times I suggested "were too close to other meetings that MIGHT run long." As she started to argue, I loudly retorted, "Do whatever you want. I don't care."

What was funny is that my 2 reps accepted the meeting, cut it to 5 minutes & left shaking their heads saying it was a waste of time.

Next thing you know, I am in a meeting with my boss & the VP. Her story is:
-I verbally abused her
-She had heard that I was a jerk, because "everybody was saying how I was a jerk" & so, I just fit the paradigm that was framed to her. THAT’S WHY she sent me “frustrated emails.”

What I had was 2 documented email chains of absolute unprofessionalism displayed by her. Apparently, she'd think angry thoughts about me & then send an email at 1030 or 11pm at night. My boss had to have a couple of conversations with her about this.

She cried in the confrontation meeting with my boss & the VP. Then, she made a comment on how we were like "family" and that our mutual boss, was like "Daddy" (huh!?!). The VP & my boss "just wanted to keep HR out of it." It was obvious Ms. Sociopath was manipulating them. There was zero clarity on what I did wrong. They just wanted the problem to go away.

If I would have read SJWAL prior, I would have calmly set her documented emails on the table & left the meeting. Go ahead, call HR, she was your bad hire & I am doing my best to navigate.

The fake sick days, getting drunk, missing training & tricking another married co-worker to visit her hotel room while she was in her underwear, finally caught up to her. My boss left soon after & the VP was demoted.

I was 1st to go. Was recruited for a gig where I do not have daily interaction with an effeminate, PC office culture.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 10, 2016 12:19 PM  

@21 Damn! Aryan Goddess?! So Neo-Nazis are apparently a bunch of pimply faced adolescents with a swastika fetish.

Blogger Josh August 10, 2016 12:21 PM  

...It was completely clear she was unfit for the job.

The entire time, my gut was telling me that something was wrong. Completely wrong with her. She should be attractive, pretty fit, but she was repulsive.


Did you tell the hiring manager not to hire her?

Anonymous drj August 10, 2016 12:28 PM  

I'm not certain where to draw the line between low socio-sexual rank and sociopath. A short time ago I was explaining to my husband why I distrusted a new guy at out martial arts gym. New guy was outgoing, friendly to the point of being glommy, and clearly trying to create a crew for himself out of the top ranking gym personalities. He was also the perpetual victim type. I read him as an SJW, potentially a gamma. Husband agreed with much of my assessment, and cut him out of our circle, limiting relationship to cordialities when forced to be in the same room with him. Honestly, though, he fit most of these these points. He is afraid of me, though I am polite to him (I try to be polite to everyone). He looks like a deer caught in the headlights when social situations force interaction with me. Just kind of curious, what are the chances he is a sociopath versus a low socio-sexual rank male?

Blogger Werekoala August 10, 2016 12:37 PM  

Good lord that is my soon-to-be ex-wife to the letter. I could have written that list...

Blogger Verne August 10, 2016 12:38 PM  

I thought I was good at spotting them. And spotting them where they had no idea I had them pegged.

Then my son brought home a girl who turned out to be a sociopath. She could mask it all by playing the wounded party. She played us all. And she was not even very bright. It is just that no one wanted to see she what this very pretty and seemingly sweet girl really was. Wanting to believe will make a fool of you

Anonymous Walnut August 10, 2016 12:40 PM  

Pieter Hintjens has an interesting book about this, "The Psychopath Code," on Kindle or free on gitbook. One of his more interesting ideas is that art/comedy is a shibboleth that psychopaths won't really 'get'.

http://hintjens.com/blog:_psychopaths

Anonymous ZhukovG August 10, 2016 12:41 PM  

@drj This person should be not be allowed to work with kids. His behavior could be 'grooming the guardians', as a prelude to 'volunteering' to work with younger students.

Anonymous patrick kelly August 10, 2016 12:42 PM  

re: 6. A shallow "salesman" effect. If someone is always "hail fellow well met"

Yeah, especially if they over use "bro" or call everyone from church "brother" or "sister" when they meet, not matter how little they know each other.

I see myself in some of the list, but I think it's more due to my insecure paranoia than sociopathy. Sometimes the numbness of amoral nihilism is tempting.

Blogger Dire Badger August 10, 2016 12:49 PM  

Sociopaths make us Psychopaths look bad. People get the two confused.

Blogger David-2 August 10, 2016 12:50 PM  

There may be other symptom constellations besides this one. E.g., Sherlock, on the eponymous TV series, says of himself "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath." Yet the character meets none of these symptoms here. There are plenty of other symptoms he exhibits that together may be a sign of a (high-functioning) sociopath.

Or maybe I shouldn't be using a character on a TV show as an exemplar of this.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 10, 2016 12:59 PM  

Ladies, the textbook sociopath is George Wickham.

Blogger clk August 10, 2016 1:04 PM  

VD says "this can be risky, of course, but it does provide certain confirmation. I would not recommend it for most people, as most people are insufficiently ruthless to deal effectively with sociopaths"

This was extremely interesting and useful -- the part I would love to hear you insights on is how to deal with sociopath... I am not a very ruthless person so what are my options ?

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis August 10, 2016 1:05 PM  

Some sociopaths can be useful. It is very true that they see the world as a single player RPG. So where they are useful is in situations where for them to win the game they have to help the "non player characters" which of course in a single player RPG is everyone else. Example: surgeon. For them to win they need to be the best which means lowest patient death rate and successfully perform the hardest or most cutting edge operations.

Blogger tz August 10, 2016 1:07 PM  

SocioPathetic or just SJW? (h/t Breitbart amd she memtions Milo). The complainant and the company aren't identified.

Blogger VD August 10, 2016 1:10 PM  

I am not a very ruthless person so what are my options?

If you have any suspicions, don't press for confirmation and steer well clear.

Anonymous TS August 10, 2016 1:14 PM  

Another sign of a sociopath is the always try to "get something" on you. That they can use of course.

Anonymous TS August 10, 2016 1:20 PM  

Another thing about sociopaths is that they appear to have alot of self-control. It's not that, its just that they don't have feelings or a conscience that makes other people uncomfortable. They're never "triggered". They can play the game forever that's why VD counsels to steer clear of them.

Blogger Nate August 10, 2016 1:21 PM  

"Some sociopaths can be useful. "

They absolutely can be. its a cost benefit thing. If you know you are dealing with a sociopath... but that sociopath brings something to the table in terms of association... you make the call.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 10, 2016 1:30 PM  

8.Persistent cheating and parasitism, especially in small matters that no one normally keeps track of. I'm not talking about someone who is cheap, but someone who is always a taker and never a giver or even a fair-exchanger.

Ah, but when they do "give" or do something altruistic, they make such a grand display of it. In fact, you will be hard-pressed to find any mutual acquaintance who doesn't know about the gesture.

As I wrote yesterday, I tried to rationalize aberrant behavior once from a sociopath and it almost cost me my freedom or my life. The tells always were there, and the list Vox Day made is a fine one as several of those items manifest rather quickly. The mistake is to ignore any of them. Listen to yourself, and don't let your rational, intelligent side get the better of you.

Anonymous CC August 10, 2016 1:39 PM  

I was good friends with someone while growing up, who was a bit older than me and I became convinced after a few years that he was a psychopath/sociopath. Because I was young and naive, I didn't read his behaviour right and I excused it for a long time. Luckily he didn't do me any serious harm, unlike some other people we knew, and then I cut him out of my life.

Looking back, it seems obvious now, because he never bothered hiding his true nature from me. He realised he didn't have to. And he wasn't always bad, he could be fun to hang around with and was very interesting, until he got older. Eventually he only seemed to get worse and there was really nothing about him I liked anymore and I saw him for who he was.

I think the most important thing to realise that there are people out there who are like this, (some estimates put it at 1-3% of the population). Anybody likely reading this blog and on the alt right will be aware that people out there IRL can be damaged goods, and will take steps to avoid personal risk. But sociopaths, as I understand them, are on a different level, they aren't necessarily emotionally damaged (if they are, then they're likely dangerous) but are emotionally absent on a deep level. They have no empathy and will not hesitate stabbing you in the back for their benefit or on a whim.

One time me and my mate were drunk, eating burgers and chips late at night and he just said in the middle of a conversation "I don't care if I lost all my friends, I'd just get new ones." I was stunned and I didn't believe him, I thought he was just in a snit. I now know he was just being sincere.

So from my experience, just off the top of my head, things to be aware of could also include:

- Superficial friendliness to a person in your presence and then mocking or badmouthing them behind their back after they leave. General backbiting and gossiping too, with very few positive things to say.

- telling obvious lies when trying to you or another person in front of you when trying to persuade or reassure or sell something. Lying and conning are like breathing to these people.

- an inability to really care about you (or anyone else). They will rarely ask you for genuine information on how you are, what you really think or feel for it's own sake apart from a superficial "how are you?" as a greeting. If they do show concern, they will do it as a form of manipulation where they can see that they ought to, it will never tend to come out of their own volition. Some people keep their feelings bottled up, but these people don't have them at all.

- an inability to affect their mood, you won't be able to cheer them up if they're in a foul mood, say. This is something you'll only experience if you become some sort of friend to them. Otherwise they'll be able to fake it and affect their superficial charm if you're a relative stranger.

- Jarring honesty. Like that example I gave above, they'll sometimes drop their true thoughts, either inadvertently or as a way to test you, or for their amusement. They'll come out with something like "I don't really care about people." or "I used to hurt animals" or "I was so angry I wanted to stab that kid." Something where you get a quick peak behind the mask into what they really think. You might shrug it off, but it's worth making a note of it.

- thrill-seeking is another big one. They like adrenaline rushes because it helps them feel alive I guess, as their experience is quite shallow.

These people aren't always dangerous but still, you can never trust them. Don't share too much information with them. Of course, there are a lot of other people out there who fit that category too. They are extremely cunning and lack the emotional weaknesses of SJWs.


@drj
This person sounds more like a gamma to me from the info you've given. Sociopaths wouldn't necessarily fear you, they'd probably try to charm you.

Anonymous Pax_Romana August 10, 2016 2:05 PM  

After reading this article, I have come to realize that I have a sociopathic woman in my Bible study. She pretty much ticks all of the boxes, but also has this unique ability to not comprehend when she says truly reprehensible things (It's one thing to make a joke or to know what you're saying, but she does it without realizing).

She is also a persistent nag, trying to dictate to everyone how their lives should be lead according to Her Great Advice. I know that the majority of our 15 person group sees what I see, and a sizeable minority refuse to come for fear that she'll be there.


I am not the church's designated leader of my group, and every time I or another member have confronted our leader, he is uncomfortable with confrontation, and brushes it off. Is there a way to redeem a sociopath who is still a believer? Any advice would be appreciated before this utterly destroys this family I've been a part of.

Anonymous Ryan ATL August 10, 2016 2:06 PM  

Jeff B and CC, really appreciate your concrete examples of experiences. I'd encourage anyone else (VD included) to post more first hand accounts and examples, they really illustrate the points.

Anonymous BGKB August 10, 2016 2:06 PM  

8.Persistent cheating and parasitism, especially in small matters that no one normally keeps track of.

You have to accept you are not being petty in noticing.

Sociopaths will often demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of bonds between pets and their owners

Please tell me that recognizing that their pet is the boss, and they are it's bitch isn't what you are talking about? So many gay dog owners can't even get their pets to come to them when called.

If you encourage a sociopath telling one by feigning shock and sympathy, he will proceed to go deeper

I have a bunch of crazy stories that most people, especially the equality believers, wouldn't believe.

Taylor Swift, perma victim,is a sociopath? You know what other white nationalist icon was a sociopath?

Are those Taylor Swift WN memes real?

Or maybe I shouldn't be using a character on a TV show as an exemplar of this.

I for one am glad HilLIARy has a black doctor looking after her.

Blogger The Deuce August 10, 2016 2:12 PM  

Another thing about sociopaths is that they appear to have alot of self-control.

Not necessarily. Scalzi is most certainly one, and he has none. While sociopaths are calculating and have no sense of moral obligation to others, they are quite often given to rage and self-righteous indignant temper tantrums at what they see as affronts to themselves and their egos.

Blogger GracieLou August 10, 2016 2:22 PM  

I've had the sad misfortune of interacting with eight pathological narcissists in my life. Of the eight, two were men. Maybe that means I interact with more women or maybe it means more women are narcissists, but the old truism that most narcissists are men is false.

If I could give one piece of advice, it is this: EXTRICATE YOURSELF. There is no managing them. You can't and you wouldn't want to. Normal people don't have the energy or the gag reflexes.

One example, I student taught for one, was very aware of her "issues" had ample experience dealing with similar freak personas, and could reliably predict her behavior. I figured I could manipulate/manage her for 6 weeks, which turned out to be near fatal hubris. I barely managed to graduate. Fortunately she'd forced the last student teacher to sleep with her and had enlisted me in his stalking. The school of ed wanted that tasty tidbit to stay quiet. That's the only way I got my degree. Blackmail collection is good, while planning your exit.

Another "tell" I would add to the list is they take themselves dead seriously. They do not laugh at themselves. They don't admit to flubs, no matter how minor. Ever. And if they do, not only is it your fault, but you actually did it. They will bend reality to make that so.

Anonymous TS August 10, 2016 2:26 PM  

"They are quite often given to rage and self-righteous indignant temper tantrums at what they see as affronts to themselves and their egos."

Oh yeah the rage and ego is there they are very good at concealing it FROM OTHERS meanwhile they seek every way they can of getting rid of you IME. I waited many a time for a sociopath to tkae it to the next level physically so I could finish them but they never did. And another thing organizations are absolutely helpless against sociopaths as they can't even spot them and end up promoting them alot of times, sociopaths are very good at making themselves look like they are good employees until they backstab their way up the ladder or until they get rid of someone they don't like.

Anonymous TS August 10, 2016 2:28 PM  

"Is there a way to redeem a sociopath who is still a believer?"

Nope. Run don't walk away.

Blogger Lovekraft August 10, 2016 2:29 PM  

IIRC, Malcolm Gladwell's book "Blink" discussed the benefits of trusting instinct over analysis.

Anonymous TS August 10, 2016 2:31 PM  

Seriously they are like that line in the Terminator movies. They won't stop, they won't give up.

Anonymous BGKB August 10, 2016 2:47 PM  

What about women who consistently answer different questions than they were asked?

Anonymous Noah Nehm August 10, 2016 2:54 PM  

@45 I discovered, in graduate school, that there are many wolves among the sheep in Christian circles. A number of people I knew ended up marrying and then divorcing, or going steady and breaking up with sociopaths or those with various personality disorders. One particular train-wreck was a sweet girl whose manipulative boyfriend told her "God told me that you should marry me" when she was beginning to have doubts about her relationship. Another awesome girl married an angry guy with a Paranoid Personality Disorder, whom she later had to divorce just to maintain her sanity. On the flip side, there was a guy whose narcissistic perma-victim girlfriend would psychologically torture him whenever she didn't get what she felt she deserved (which was everything she wanted).

From a parasite's perspective, though, it makes sense. Imprudent Christians are very susceptible to being taken advantage of, because they have difficulty discerning the difference between a cross, which they know they must shoulder, and an injustice, which they should fight.

Blogger Jeff B August 10, 2016 2:59 PM  

@27

Josh, I did & made a mistake in the process. After Ms. Sociopath left, I intentionally went last in my "response in a safe space." After mundane, meaningless feedback, I pointed out that she:
1- Kiss Ass (my boss agreed)
2- Did not have relevant experience
3- Was clearly not respectful to me or others in my position in how she was to collaborate & provide value to our teams. She obviously dodged the question because she didn't know, which meant she was unprepared. Totally unacceptable for a 3rd interview. A reasonably intelligent person could've answered my question 100 different & more acceptable ways.

The misstep I made, due to my disgust & quite obvious strategic mistake in the making was that I pointed something else out to the VP (a woman) in front of the team. She was proposing hiring Ms. Sociopath at a pay-grade equal to us WITHOUT certifications or career experiences. There were no less than 3 people sitting there, that had MUCH more experience (2-10x) coming in that she made wait almost 12 months while they passed their certifications. The VP recoiled, got very sweaty & slightly defensive: "We've got 100's of resumes....we can't find anybody!" There was no serious discussion on passing on the hire or how hiring a bad candidate would be worse for the team. My boss, the perennial "good guy," agreed with me, but expressed platitudes about "helping get up to speed" in the name of easing tension.

It was an uncalculated comment that I expressed when I was caught up in the moment. I should've had that conversation 1v1 or with my boss & VP without everyone else there. I apologized to my boss & VP for doing that later, but damage was done.

Everyone new the VP was Administrator who unnecessarily was put in a leadership position. One reason why she was demoted.

Still gotta respect the office, even if the actor does not match the necessary responsibilities.

Anonymous Difster August 10, 2016 3:04 PM  

If a sociopath is in a position of power over you at work, don't let him know you realize it, he'll drive you out by destroying you. Be sure to have your resume ready if you decide otherwise.

It is my opinion that more women are sociopaths than men, but they learn to fake their emotions so it's not as noticeable to most people.

Blogger David The Good August 10, 2016 3:12 PM  

Holy cow... this is spot-on. I know this person.

Blogger SirHamster August 10, 2016 3:20 PM  

TS wrote:"Is there a way to redeem a sociopath who is still a believer?"

Nope. Run don't walk away.


Sounds like a job to leave to God.

Christians aren't really in the redeeming others business. We're messengers for the Redeemer.

Anonymous JI August 10, 2016 3:42 PM  

Thank you very much for the list, Vox, that's great.

Blogger GracieLou August 10, 2016 3:42 PM  

More sociopath/personality-disordered tells:

1). They will ruin your holidays. One told me he detested all "forced merriment". He literally couldn't fathom how anyone could be genuinely happy just because it's Christmas. HAD to be fake! Your "fake" merriment must stop and they will make sure it stops.

2) They are mean to you if you are hurt or sick. Even if you have cancer, it's just an attention getting ploy. They seethe with jealousy over your glorious attention and manipulation opportunities. This also applies if someone close to you dies. A friend confronted one once because she didn't acknowledge the death of her sister (on the day it happened!) the disordered one blurted out, "Well what the fluck am I supposed to do about it, I didn't even know her!"

3) If you are empathetic, you will feel sorry for them. And not just because they manipulate you into it, you will know on a deep level just how pitiful they are. They are desperate, malformed human beings.

4) But at the same time, if you are empathetic you may notice you instinctively shut down in their presence. I've been around so many of them my face will go blank like autism face. It's a shields-up instinct. You don't ever, EVER want them to know what makes you happy, angry or sad.

On the topic of Horrible People, this is one of best things ever said (by Anonymous Conservative):

“Here’s a crazy fact you will realize if you ever manage to eject all of them from your life – life should be effortless, drama-free, and fun. The people around you shouldn’t be yelling, or freaking out about anything. Life, by default, is happy. The world, by default is beautiful. The people around you should get happy when you are happy, and you all should spend your time making each other happy. Things usually only get fucked up when someone in the circle is actively trying to fuck them up. It is almost never an accident.”

Anonymous Sam the Man August 10, 2016 3:48 PM  

This has been a very interesting series of posts.

I have run into folks that have had various issues such as a paranoid (male co-worker)someone with some depression issues that might have been Narcissism (female), but I do not think I have run into a straight honest to good sociopath with all the trimmings like discussed above Is that possible or am I missing something?

I have known some folks that give me pause in this direction. A friend of mine from way back seems to fit a number of the symptoms: he was mean/tormented animals when kid (by his own statement when drunk), like fireworks/bombs when young (not setting fires but close), had no real empathy when I knew him in college ROTC (never a combat vet so no excuse), very blunt to the point of rudeness and seems to take pleasure in that at times, a lack of empathy when anyone not in his in group (by his own admission), can troll people and play mental games with them. Will drop friends on a dime, but if in a social situation can act like no time had passed in the degree to which he interacts.

But then I have seen him do things that do not seem sociopathic; A friend of ours got in a fix and he just gave him a large sum of money , never told anyone (it was the friend that told me some time later), with no possible gain. The guy plays at being Christian (has a convincing conversion story), but from his actions it seems he does in fact try to do right. I wondered if he was a sociopath but after watching his actions as it relates to his Christianity, I have seen him do things to help folks without telling anyone, being very quiet about it. In fact he never said he was a Christian unless asked outright. Yet he has said that inner guilt only affects him because of his religion, if it were not for it he would be NAZI like and feel no shame or guilt in clearing out undesirables.

Mind you his brother is as straight laced, kind and generous a man as they come, could it be he is a sociopath who apes correct behavior to get along? If so are they really destructive?

Is there an in-between state for folks like that or show some signs on a spectrum, kind of like autistic / Asperger's? Like I said in an earlier thread, I knew many young guys who in some way or another had some traits that would give one pause, but 30 years later those I have run into do not seem to be irresponsible or destructive.

Anonymous SumDood August 10, 2016 3:57 PM  

"Sociopaths will often demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of bonds between pets and their owners."

They can't fool a dog. I've seen it happen.

College roommate home with me at thanksgiving, and the friendliest golden retriever in the world froze up and growled at him as soon as they were face to face.

And the dog was right. The guy was a deceptive user in every sense.

Blogger weka August 10, 2016 3:59 PM  

For those of you who follow personality disorders (I have to, for work) then the ICD-11 suggestion is interesting. Some background: the DSM is a US only variation of the WHO international classification of diseases. Because the FDA requires all meds are tested using their system most Pharma use DSM for all trials -- it does correlate with ICD.

The draft ICD has to work in ALL countries. Including Sub Saharan Africa, Asia and Quebec.

The group who worked on it noted that psychiatrists basically use one personality disorder diagnosis: Borderline. (The UK has psychopath as a legal term, another story). We don't see the detached, the dysocial or the anakanistic. We see the emotionally unstable.

So they made a simple version.

0. No personality disorder, about a quarter of the population
1. Personality difficulty. OK except in certain situations, eg. passive-aggressive in the service. About half the population.
2. Mild personality disorder10 -15%
3. Moderate PD, 5-10%
4. Severe PD, the 2-5% we see clinically.

In the latter group. look for the cuts on the non dominant forearm, the multiple ED admissions, and the damage done to any lover, colleague or lawyer... and expect to be sued.

There is a reason, for any who read this who have a PD, that your psychiatrist fears. It is not you. It is the lawyer you hire when he discharges you -- against your will -- because you won't keep to the rules that allow talking therapy.

Oh, and Borderline are female versions of Antisocial.

Anonymous Sam the Man August 10, 2016 4:01 PM  

One other thing, I work in old school industrial tech (electronics but not the new nifty stuff. Is it possible there are less of them there? Not a lot of drama and you cannot really hid if you can or cannot do the work.

Blogger JCclimber August 10, 2016 4:04 PM  

I don't think most people truly realize that as all are born in sin, we naturally take after our father (Satan). Who is a self-made sociopathic serial murderer and liar of the first order.

It is only the influence of the Holy Spirit in every single human being that represses this trait. Those who embrace and welcome the Holy Spirit will therefore have greater success in displaying the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

A person who is sociopathic in a Bible Study group is either a brand new christian who has not yet allowed Christ to purge them, or they are using christianity as their "beard" and way of disguising their sociopathy.

You cannot change any of these people. You cannot help them. Only God can, and the only thing you can do is isolate them from other converts who are weak in faith and may be harmed by them, and pray for them. You cannot psychoanalyze them, guide them, or manage them.

Not only will you fail, but it WILL come back and bite you in the butt for even trying.

Anonymous Sam the Man August 10, 2016 4:10 PM  

JCclimber

Do any of these folks who show these traits in Bible study ever actually change? Have you seen it?

I as because I suspect some do, as in the chap I referenced above, but no idea.

If it is true that the G-D/Holy-Spirit can change folks with that disorder into somewhat normal empathetic folks, that would be a very firm evidence that there is something more the Christianity than meets the eye.

Anonymous Difster August 10, 2016 4:15 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:In fact he never said he was a Christian unless asked outright. Yet he has said that inner guilt only affects him because of his religion, if it were not for it he would be NAZI like and feel no shame or guilt in clearing out undesirables.



Sociopaths can still feel guilt, psychopaths do not.

Anonymous Sam the Man August 10, 2016 4:33 PM  

Difster:

You made me look up the difference between the two, near as I can tell the sociopath brain is not empathic but not looking to do harm but they will do harm if needed without guilt. The psychopath is not only lacking in empathy but want to do harm or as laymen would say it, is evil and takes pleasure in doing evil.

Unless I am mislead, neither feel guilt, unless there is a spectrum of behavior say a person who is kind of guilt free but can with adoption of a world-view/religion adopt it? I guess that is what it comes down to, is there a spectrum of sociopathic brains or is it a yes/no condition?

If the conditions is an absolute yes/no, then if it could be changed by adoption of that religion would certainly give credulence to that religion. That would be a real change. Any one ever seen such a change?

Blogger Nara August 10, 2016 4:38 PM  

Is one characteristic of a sociopath a piercing empty stare, almost as if they're looking through you?

Anonymous Sam th Man August 10, 2016 4:39 PM  

Is this the in-between state between a sociopath and a normal person?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism

Blogger SirHamster August 10, 2016 4:49 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:If the conditions is an absolute yes/no, then if it could be changed by adoption of that religion would certainly give credulence to that religion. That would be a real change. Any one ever seen such a change?


You jogged my memory of this one sociopath turned Christian apologist, David Wood.

Tried to murder his own father with a hammer because Nietzsche super-man, ended up in prison and found Christ there.

Testimony video.

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Anonymous JAG August 10, 2016 4:58 PM  

SumDood wrote:"Sociopaths will often demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of bonds between pets and their owners."

They can't fool a dog. I've seen it happen.

College roommate home with me at thanksgiving, and the friendliest golden retriever in the world froze up and growled at him as soon as they were face to face.

And the dog was right. The guy was a deceptive user in every sense.


Don't hold to the dog sniff as a hard and fast rule. 99% of dogs love me as soon as I come in to contact with them.

In high school, my best friend's aunt had a weenie dog that just did not like me at all. Perhaps I looked or smelled similar to someone who mistreated it, I don't know, but dogs have personality differences like people do.

Anonymous Ras al Ghul August 10, 2016 5:01 PM  

If the family of the person is messed up, or filled with liars and cheats, the odds are they are too.

What I have noticed is the brief flash of "shark eyes" especially in women sociopaths that I have run into.

A flash of malice in the eyes that is completely inappropriate for what is going on in the social setting. I don't know how best to describe it other than that. If you're in a social setting, you will see sometimes, however briefly, that malice peep through the mask.

I have never been wrong about them if I see that, and have always regretted it when I ignored it.

Anonymous Ras al Ghul August 10, 2016 5:05 PM  

"August 10, 2016 3:57 PM


"Sociopaths will often demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of bonds between pets and their owners."

They can't fool a dog. I've seen it happen.

College roommate home with me at thanksgiving, and the friendliest golden retriever in the world froze up and growled at him as soon as they were face to face.

And the dog was right. The guy was a deceptive user in every sense."

JAG is right about that, you cannot trust a dog. I knew of a rapist that raped women that went jogging with their large dogs thinking they were protected and the dog did nothing as the events unfold, just sat there.

Blogger Dire Badger August 10, 2016 5:13 PM  

Seriously, I don't get the 'bond between men and pets' thing.

I appreciate their company, but they are animals... If it's a choice between a dog, even a well-loved family pet, and a human, sorry... The dog is going to get the shit end of the stick.

There's no abiding someone who abuses animals needlessly, of course, but both 'cat people', and 'dog people' creep me the hell out. I own a cat, but I am neither 'her property' nor is she 'my baby'.
'cat girls' are some of the freakiest, most mentally screwed-up girls in America.

Blogger Josh August 10, 2016 5:20 PM  

Seriously, I don't get the 'bond between men and pets' thing

Found the sociopath

Blogger GracieLou August 10, 2016 5:33 PM  

@Nara. Yes. One incident with a relative so rattled my husband he never went back. I said, "You never look into the crazy eyes!" He said, "No kidding, it was like looking into the face of death."

But even on a normal day, their gaze is intense. It makes you uncomfortable.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 10, 2016 6:55 PM  

What about the genetic implications of when a man marries into the wrong family, a family of sociopaths, what risk do I have of becoming such a monstrosity? I remain utterly afraid of moms family, they are just surreal in that 1 thru 10 all resonate with me with 20 years worth of examples.

I adhere and honor to the rules here. I'm just worried in that I fear a life without Christ, I fear a life of being near her people ever again.

Blogger Unknown August 10, 2016 7:22 PM  

11. Look at how they respond to the difficulties of others. The sociopath treats the mistakes and missteps of others as pathologies but his own as evidence of the oracle's gift. 'My way' is the highway for him, even when it runs orthogonally to the path of established wisdom.

Blogger JCclimber August 10, 2016 7:40 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:JCclimber

Do any of these folks who show these traits in Bible study ever actually change? Have you seen it?

I as because I suspect some do, as in the chap I referenced above, but no idea.

If it is true that the G-D/Holy-Spirit can change folks with that disorder into somewhat normal empathetic folks, that would be a very firm evidence that there is something more the Christianity than meets the eye.


Yes. I've witnessed it more than once. For example, a gang leader who was also a killer, who converted and eventually became a pastor.

A woman who used to be a dominatrix. Became a prayer leader.

But the majority I've met, I've only the word of people who knew them before of what type of person they were, and then my own evaluation of what type they are now.

For absolutely none of them was the conversion quick, nor easy, nor without spiritual battles.

But beyond careful mentoring and guiding, no human can take any credit for the change.

And for everyone I can name, I can name 2 or 3 people who never was able to allow the Holy Spirit to change their heart.

Anonymous Millenium August 10, 2016 7:44 PM  

@26 The taytay as a nazi meme is just a running joke that has gone over Josh's head. It, like many memes that take on a life of their own, began on /pol/

Anonymous Adam August 10, 2016 8:00 PM  

I've known a fair few sociopaths in my time, but one thing that struck me about them is that they have little to no emotional attachment to material items. We all have that favorite old sweater that we may only use on a rainy day at home. It's past its use-by date but we value the memories and associations with the item of clothing, (and I'm just using clothing as an example.)

Sociopaths don't have this quality. Any item even approaching its end date is discarded. They treat their things as they treat other people.

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Blogger Dire Badger August 10, 2016 9:06 PM  

@82-
God Helps those who help themselves.

A fundamental desire to change, changing yourself, is the only way that they can ever change. Humans learn through pain. So, in order for a user to have that moment of inspiration that leads to a desire to change, things have to go horribly, painfully wrong, and stay that way. Which means that if you want to give these people a chance with god, you have GOT to call attention to it, and help that painful wrongness occur.

Anonymous Sam the Man August 10, 2016 9:13 PM  

JC climber:

I suspect that in order for folks to change must show some effort. Might be hard for folks who are only looking for advantage.

Anonymous TS August 10, 2016 9:13 PM  

"I wrote yesterday, I tried to rationalize aberrant behavior once from a sociopath and it almost cost me my freedom or my life. The tells always were there, and the list Vox Day made is a fine one as several of those items manifest rather quickly. The mistake is to ignore any of them. Listen to yourself, and don't let your rational, intelligent side get the better of you."

It's especially problematic for Christians because of the biblical injunction to "love your enemies" even though it does nothing for sociopaths. You can try to love them until the cows come home and it won't mean a thing to them.

Blogger Mountain Man August 10, 2016 9:59 PM  

@78
Fail. Hitler was a real lover of not only his pets, but most of the animal kingdom. Hence his life long vegetarianism.

Blogger SirHamster August 10, 2016 10:06 PM  

TS wrote:

It's especially problematic for Christians because of the biblical injunction to "love your enemies" even though it does nothing for sociopaths. You can try to love them until the cows come home and it won't mean a thing to them.


Was it loving for OT Israel parents to stone a blaspheming son?

Tough love.

Blogger Mountain Man August 10, 2016 10:19 PM  

@24

You snarky, little passive - aggressive punk! If you have such a problem with Cernovich take it up with him personally - face to face.
Hmmm...crickets chirping.
A movement of men working to better the West doesn't need little bitches like you playing their kid games. All your type does is create isms,schisms and petty conflict. Go take a hard look in the mirror and vow to change or get the hell out of here.

Blogger Josh August 10, 2016 10:47 PM  

Oh man we've got an internet tough guy

Blogger Mountain Man August 10, 2016 10:54 PM  

Oh man we've got a gamma

Blogger Flannel Avenger August 10, 2016 11:00 PM  

Josh, he called you a gamma! YOU ARE UNDONE!!!!

Anonymous TS August 10, 2016 11:04 PM  

"Was it loving for OT Israel parents to stone a blaspheming son?

Tough love."

Well we supposedly have a "better covenant" now?

Blogger Russell August 10, 2016 11:04 PM  

Who bitch this is?

Blogger Russell August 10, 2016 11:14 PM  

Too bad Nate's passed out now from hitting the Maker's Mark blended bourbon.

Blogger Josh August 10, 2016 11:15 PM  

Oh man we've got a gamma

You're too short for this ride.

Blogger Mountain Man August 10, 2016 11:36 PM  

You're too dumb for this blog

Blogger Nate August 10, 2016 11:37 PM  

"You snarky, little passive - aggressive punk! If you have such a problem with Cernovich take it up with him personally - face to face.
Hmmm...crickets chirping.
A movement of men working to better the West doesn't need little bitches like you playing their kid games. All your type does is create isms,schisms and petty conflict. Go take a hard look in the mirror and vow to change or get the hell out of here."

Get the hell out of here... So... you are going to tell me to get out of here.

No.

No Sugartits that isn't how this works. I say what I say here because I can back it up. And I've been saying what I say here.. and backing it up... since this blog was orange and white.

I'm the Number 1 Vile Faceless Minion. The Name "Dread Ilk" was given to the commenters of this blog by a target after a particularly nasty op conducted by me and white bufalo... who you have never heard of... because you're a noob.


I suggest you white knight for your lispy hero to someone else. I don't give a damn.

Now...


Piss off.

Blogger Nate August 10, 2016 11:39 PM  

"Too bad Nate's passed out now from hitting the Maker's Mark blended bourbon."

sootch drinking 9mm shooting homo.

Blogger Josh August 10, 2016 11:40 PM  

You're too dumb for this blog

I've been here a long time, long before our present invasion of the retarded masses.

You're new here: shitting all over the floor is not a good way to introduce yourself.

Blogger Russell August 10, 2016 11:43 PM  

"sootch drinking 9mm shooting homo."

HOLE UP NOW. I don't drink Scotch.

Wait.

Blogger Nate August 10, 2016 11:45 PM  

and for the record... I've said a lot worse than this directly to Cernovich.

You wanna talk about crickets?

No response. Ever.

In fact I tweeted that I thought he was a damn sociopath and tagged both him and vox.

Ya know what Cernovich said about it?

Crickets.

Because he's a bitch.

Blogger Josh August 10, 2016 11:46 PM  


HOLE UP NOW. I don't drink Scotch.


If someone accuses you of three things and you only deny one of them...

Blogger Russell August 10, 2016 11:50 PM  

...you might be a cock gargling, ball licking gamma?

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 11, 2016 1:18 AM  

They can't fool a dog. I've seen it happen.

College roommate home with me at thanksgiving, and the friendliest golden retriever in the world froze up and growled at him as soon as they were face to face.


I'm with Dire Badger. Dogs and cats are animals, and those who confuse either with children are broken.

That said, the bond that a dog has with his owner, his "Alpha bitch" is humongous from the dog's perspective. If you've done it right, you are the metaphorical Sun around which his furry canine planet revolves.

So if your dog gets snippy with a stranger, he's affirming reservations you have but don't admit to yourself. If he sucks up, you could just be clueless.

Or you could have a sight hound. :-)

Blogger JP August 11, 2016 3:34 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Are you saying Taylor Swift, perma victim,is a sociopath?

You might be right

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 11, 2016 7:35 AM  

An attempt to "take over" a group of friends or a social organization, particularly if they attempt to cut out the person who brought them into the group.

What's the motive for the latter part?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 11, 2016 8:00 AM  

Sam the Man wrote:One other thing, I work in old school industrial tech (electronics but not the new nifty stuff. Is it possible there are less of them there? Not a lot of drama and you cannot really hid if you can or cannot do the work.

Yeah, sociopaths are very impatient and can't stick to jobs requiring long attention spans. So anyone who sticks there for a year, doing their own work instead of passing it off to somebody else, is very unlikely to be a sociopath. They are people people and do better in positions that benefit from networking, sales ability and charisma.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 11, 2016 8:19 AM  

Nara wrote:Is one characteristic of a sociopath a piercing empty stare, almost as if they're looking through you?

It's unlikely they would maintain such a stare for longer than a half a second unless they don't care whether or not you know they are a sociopath, for whatever reason. Much more likely their gaze will be affable.

Blogger Mountain Man August 11, 2016 10:09 AM  

Nate
I don't care if you've been here on this blog since the days of Christ walking the earth.
You're a snarky little bitch who labels and smears good guys - when you don't have jack shit for proof to back it up.
Im not surprised Cernovich didnt respond to you. You're a nobody who's beneath him.
Honestly, even I can't even believe I've been drawn in to a pissing match with some nobody on the internet - but some pieholes just need to be smacked !

Blogger Robert What? August 11, 2016 10:28 AM  

Based on this list I am not a sociopath. Whew!

Blogger Nate August 11, 2016 12:06 PM  

"I don't care if you've been here on this blog since the days of Christ walking the earth.
You're a snarky little bitch who labels and smears good guys - when you don't have jack shit for proof to back it up.
Im not surprised Cernovich didnt respond to you. You're a nobody who's beneath him.
Honestly, even I can't even believe I've been drawn in to a pissing match with some nobody on the internet - but some pieholes just need to be smacked !"

Are you still talking?

Let me see here.. How many stupid things did you just say...

1)I don't care if you've been here on this blog since the days of Christ walking the earth.

Well see ya should. This indicates that you don't understand in-group out-group social behavior. You don't understand why people care what I think.. and no one gives a fuck what you think... even though you are walking the party line. This is also why people are calling you a gamma.

2)You're a snarky little bitch who labels and smears good guys - when you don't have jack shit for proof to back it up.

blah blah blah... no proof. Brilliant. Look at the list. Cernovich checks off many if not most of the items in obvious fashion. Being a noob here you likely don't realize that because you weren't here when the monkey-boy showed up. I was. I can walk you through the ones he checks off... but I don't need to. anyone that wants to can see it for themselves. You can to.. but you won't... because you're a white knight fan girl.

3)Im not surprised Cernovich didnt respond to you. You're a nobody who's beneath him.

So you're white knighting for a guy you don't even read? Or you are just so damned stupid that you don't understand that Cernovich consistently advocates interacting with everyone regardless of status as a means to grow his brand.

3)Honestly, even I can't even believe I've been drawn in to a pissing match with some nobody on the internet - but some pieholes just need to be smacked !

No one drew you into anything faggot. You shot your mouth off and have been getting curb stomped ever since... but you have to convince yourself you're winning... which is yet another reason people are calling you a gamma.

Also..

I'm easy to find sugartits.

Come calling any time.

Blogger Guitar Man August 11, 2016 12:12 PM  

ROLL TIDE!

Blogger Rabbi B August 11, 2016 12:13 PM  

So brave, Mountain Man, so brave.

You have made VP safe again and I understand that Nate is officially on suicide watch. How can we thank you enough? We are truly in your debt.

Blogger Josh August 11, 2016 12:14 PM  

Im not surprised Cernovich didnt respond to you. You're a nobody who's beneath him.

You sound like the rabbits at whatever defending scalzi's courtier's reply to Vox.

Blogger Rabbi B August 11, 2016 12:18 PM  

Stay strong, Nate!

Blogger Clint August 11, 2016 12:19 PM  

I hope Nate can recover.

Anonymous Lulabelle August 11, 2016 12:24 PM  

Gentlemen, gentlemen. While I appreciate your introductory hazing of Maintain Man.....you've neglected a prized and esteemed portion of the Welcome Wagon Introductory Gift: the bestowing of a nickname.
For your consideration:
Mountain Man.....morphs into Gamma Man........morphs into Gamma MaM.......final evolution: Mammogram.

Blogger Russell August 11, 2016 12:57 PM  

Someone check on Nate. Make sure he's not drowning his sorrows in cheap chimichangas smothered in Crystal hot sauce.

Blogger Robert American August 11, 2016 12:57 PM  

I have also noticed that they walk slightly different, it is hard to explain, but they have a certain way of walking that says "I'm better than you"

Blogger The Kurgan August 11, 2016 1:42 PM  

Lullabelle, Nate, Mammogram etc

Seconded. "He" ah all he vederti be name S Mammogram

Blogger Rabbi B August 11, 2016 2:13 PM  

Mount Gamma

Anonymous Lulabelle August 11, 2016 2:49 PM  

I just noticed my typo - "Maintain Man". That makes me laugh.

Blogger GFR August 11, 2016 7:17 PM  

So are the Clintons Psychopaths or just sociopaths?

Blogger Mountain Man August 11, 2016 9:34 PM  

Lululemon
Its Mammogram Mount Gamma...jeez- get it right !

Blogger GFR August 12, 2016 1:08 AM  

I dated a woman who worked as a mental health therapist in a mens prison. She told me a story about counselling a prisoner who was similar to the person you described. After a single session she was so freaked out that she refused to see this guy again. Her boss (a big lib) wanted to know why. She explained and the Lib (not a religious man) told her that the prisoner: "had no soul". He didn't try to make her go back.
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Prison guards must know all about these people - it would be useful to study them to determine what the soul is..

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 12, 2016 1:55 AM  

116 Nate, its rather late and I dont want to incur your wrath - ever.

What is your opinion on Mike Cern? I am not often a sufficient judge of character, inform me.

Blogger Josh August 12, 2016 9:17 AM  

What is your opinion on Mike Cern? I am not often a sufficient judge of character, inform me.

I'm not Nate, but I think Mike is the John Scalzi of the alt right

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 9:30 AM  

"What is your opinion on Mike Cern? I am not often a sufficient judge of character, inform me."

That I am not impressed with Cernovich is a matter of record. I am not going to cut an ally of Vox's to shreds on Vox's blog.

So I'll have to answer this at my blog.

bloggerblaster.blogspot.com

I'll have something up later today. The quick and dirty though... is Josh and myself... and in fact most of the old guard dread ilk have an extremely low opinion of Cernovich.

Anonymous Jack Arcalon August 12, 2016 6:28 PM  

Seems that sociopaths are less likely to have silly or absurd obsessions or quirky interests or offbeat hobbies that don't serve a rational purpose. The guy that wrote Lord of the Rings wouldn't have been a sociopath.

Blogger steve August 14, 2016 4:22 AM  

What happens when two sociopaths interact? As far as i have observed, they tend to stay clear of their own kind.

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