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Tuesday, August 16, 2016

Milo corners Twitter

Either Twitter is desperate or they have some seriously incompetent lawyers handling @nero's data request.:
Twitter attempted to dodge Milo Yiannopoulos’ data request by falsely claiming that he lives in the United States of America and is therefore ineligible to receive the information.

“Twitter International Company provides the Twitter Services to individuals who live outside the United States of America. We understand that you live in the United States,” said Twitter in their reply today, despite the fact that Yiannopoulos has permanent residence in the United Kingdom and remains a citizen there.

“As a result, we are not a data controller in respect of your personal data. Consequently, we will return your postal order, in the sum of €6.35, to you.”

Yiannopoulos replied shortly after, stating:

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

I do not live in the United States. I am a permanent UK resident at the address listed on my letter, and a citizen of the United Kingdom.

You are clearly prevaricating by waiting until now to make this statement as opposed to making simple inquiries as to my country of residence.

Twitter has the choice of waiving the EUR 6.35 or paying the shipping and handling costs of sending a new money order, which will be EUR 7.

As a matter of interest, given that you have my UK address, where did you send the money order back to? To dispatch it to a UK address seems quite at odds with your proposition that I am a resident of the United States.

You have 21 days from the date of the original Subject Access Request to reply in full. This situation has not changed. I look forward to receiving the information requested within the time frame permitted by law.

Yours

Milo Yiannopoulos”
Seriously, who advised them to try to play that sort of ridiculous game? I've noticed that American companies often fail to take foreign courts very seriously, as if they assume they are merely some sort of state-level court that can be beaten at the federal level. No wonder so many of them end up paying massive fines.

I know for a fact that Milo's been in London recently anyhow. It's just a bizarre, time-wasting response by Twitter.

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38 Comments:

Anonymous DK August 16, 2016 4:10 AM  

If Milo was banned from Twitter, then what is stopping them from banning Vox Day, Mike Cernovich, and Roosh V?

What do they hope to prove?

Blogger chris August 16, 2016 5:01 AM  

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/how-the-world-map-looks-wildly-different/85105592/

Westerners have less land than they think they do. The Mercator projection could be misrepresenting and affecting the perceptions of Westerners of just how much room they have to share with foreign third world immigrants.

Africa already has more land than the USA, Europe and Australia combined, yet we need to share what little land we have in our nations with them?

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent August 16, 2016 5:32 AM  

Remember when Twitter shares were worth $69?

Yeah, well that letter to Milo should tell you why they're worth about $20 these days.

See SJWAL for more details.

Anonymous JAG August 16, 2016 6:03 AM  

DK wrote:If Milo was banned from Twitter, then what is stopping them from banning Vox Day, Mike Cernovich, and Roosh V?

What do they hope to prove?


It is inevitable at this point that all badthinkers will be banned from Twitter. Just a matter of time.

Blogger Nemontel August 16, 2016 6:05 AM  

The Question is how long until the company goes down and how to best short it?

Blogger JACIII August 16, 2016 6:08 AM  

That snark from twitter reads more like it was written by a midlevel managrrrl than an attorney. If this is true Twitter has bigger problems than being in the doghouse with part of the political spectrum. If the response was from an attorney she is obviously an Ivy League graduate.

Blogger The Kurgan August 16, 2016 6:13 AM  

Lawyers are not very smart generally.

Blogger Christopher Yost August 16, 2016 6:46 AM  

What happens when the 21 days is reached?

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 16, 2016 6:50 AM  

Nemontel wrote:The Question is how long until the company goes down and how to best short it?

I was going to short them last week because they are enjoying a surge in price. I investigated the surge in price and found that there are rumors flying everywhere that they are going to be bought out.

This letter rein enforces the notion they might be in a buyout situation. If the data requested is damaging then Milo could have filed suit or written an expose that would scare off a potential buyer. I think twitter's lawyers know that this isn't going to stand but they are just trying to buy time to ink a buyout contract.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 16, 2016 7:05 AM  

Lawyers are not very smart generally.

American lawyers in particular at the moment. Third tier law schools turned into a grad student dumping ground for liberal arts majors, who shouldn't have gone to college in the first place.

Blogger VD August 16, 2016 7:13 AM  

That snark from twitter reads more like it was written by a midlevel managrrrl than an attorney.

Sounds very much like the letter I got from the SFWA, actually.

Blogger James Dixon August 16, 2016 7:20 AM  

> The Question is how long until the company goes down and how to best short it.

Their symbol is TWTR. If you don't know how to short them, Simply contact your brokerage and ask for assistance.

> What happens when the 21 days is reached?

I assume they're in violation of the law. What penalties there might be or how Milo decides to proceed from there I can't say.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 16, 2016 7:22 AM  

Twitter is pretty shaky at the moment. Their ad revenue was never going to be as good as Google's. It's just too reactive.

Twitter constantly bombards people with ads for things that (A) they have already bought or (B) decided not to buy in the first place. The click through has to be minimal at best.

I suspect the other social media giants will prop them up at need, if they aren't doing so quietly already.

None of those wizards want Dorothy peaking behind the curtains.

Anonymous Bowman August 16, 2016 7:28 AM  

EU laws like this one are garbage but we can enjoy when they are applied to evil actors.
Those pro-State companies deserve to die by the State.

Blogger Christopher August 16, 2016 7:30 AM  

Maybe time-wasting was the point? Say to November 8th for instance.

Anonymous Eric the Red August 16, 2016 7:32 AM  

@7 The Kurgan...

The law is neither moral nor logical... what do you think that makes lawyers? Then on top of that, lawyers are allowed to become legislators who then write laws so tortured as to intents and limits, that they repeatedly have to come back in an attempt to clean up the mess.

The best that can be said about lawyers is that they are cunning. But then the same is true for every low-IQ degenerate who ever landed his ass in jail.

They'll never admit it, but it's a matter of churlish pride to lawyers that the US has over 70% of the world's total, replete with standard boilerplate rationalizations. In an alt-right society, that will never happen again.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 16, 2016 7:40 AM  

#CleverSillies

Blogger Christopher Yost August 16, 2016 8:06 AM  

Dixon -

I figured they would be in violation. I was wondering if the violation would actually have any teeth, if they'd simply eat it and continue obfuscating, or what?

Rarely are there conduct codes, etc., that will damage a corporate entity from the onset.

Blogger Anchorman August 16, 2016 8:10 AM  

That's one dangerous faggot.

Anonymous Faceless August 16, 2016 8:57 AM  

The only way to try to play the game of disregarding the sovereignty of somebody's courts is to have no nexus there - and Irish tax havens are too tempting for most American corporations not to have an EU nexus.

Blogger 1337kestrel August 16, 2016 9:11 AM  

My corporate lawyers have always been pretty smart. Personal lawyers did their job, although they always try to BS me.

Blogger robwbright August 16, 2016 10:51 AM  

"Maybe time-wasting was the point?"

Hey, somebody figured it out! If the client has a shitty argument, sometimes the best/only option the lawyer/client has is time wasting. Often the goal of the time wasting is hoping that a distraction comes along that takes the focus off your client's problem. For example...

If you have a criminal client guilty of a low/mid level felony, the best course of action is often to waive the client's right to speedy trial and delay the case as much as possible in hopes that a much more serious felony will be committed by another defendant and make your client's felony insignificant to the prosecutor. If the media is distracted by, say, a murder, the media isn't going to pay much attention to the prosecutor giving your burglary client a sweet deal. Thus, merely by delaying, you have increased the chance of a better plea offer.

Then there's the probability that Twitter isn't listening to their lawyers. If Twitter says, "Lawyer, we don't care what we're required to do - delay giving Milo what he wants", what is the lawyer supposed to do? Look for work?

Clients often ignore their lawyers' advice to their own detriment. I can think of at least 5 instances of that in my own practice in the last 6 months. I've got one right now in which my client's refusal to listen to me is risking increasing my client's damages by 6 figures in a case that can be settled for mid 5 figures - and the difference between the demand and my client's counter-offer is low 4 figures.

Finally, while I admittedly have no experience with Euro courts, I doubt that any Court is going to significantly sanction Twitter for this initial delay. Twitter will throw up some half-baked argument that they had a US address for Milo, the Court will consider it as an excusable or harmless error and order them to turn over the materials (and probably pay the attorney fees related to preparing and arguing the motion to compel). In the meantime, Twitter has gained weeks/months to formulate defenses, hope that Milo is assassinated/the U.S. starts a war with Russia/the world economy crashes... or whatever might make the Milo situation seem completely trivial.

If Twitter were to persist in such delaying tactics... well, that's another story.

Anonymous Sagramore August 16, 2016 11:41 AM  

Sadly I've had this kind of brush off from government (always some low-level pleb). It never ends well.

Anonymous BGKB August 16, 2016 11:43 AM  

Talk about penny wise and pound foolish.

That's one dangerous faggot.

Gavin McGinnis kissing him was probably the riskiest thing he did in his life.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 16, 2016 11:56 AM  

http://sjwlist.com/Category:Twitter

If you look here at the actors in the "Twitter Trust and Safety Council", along with parts about Milo, you'll see some old hacks are inside Twitter. They haven't found a good way to censor consistently yet, but they are working on it.


Blogger Were-Puppy August 16, 2016 12:02 PM  

Twitter, Faceberg, and Google are always dipping their toes into the censorship waters, seeing if it's still too cold to dive in all the way.

Anonymous Susan August 16, 2016 12:50 PM  

A pearls wearing gay guy sending the pearl clutching legal beagles running for the fainting couches is always going to be great entertainment.

I consider Milo to be an up and coming Oscar Wilde for our time. I consider my week incomplete without at least one Milo read/sighting.

Anonymous kfg August 16, 2016 12:53 PM  

@2:

https://edlauber.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/africa-map-true-size.png

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 16, 2016 1:04 PM  

Team Baby Nero, so dear, happy, eloquent!

I remain unhappy with and unwilling to use twitter until Milo's account is restored, he is a good, innocent person whom Twitter mistreated at the RNC. See his youtube channel, Milo asked the T'R execs a host of questions, they would not answer him!

Milo is in the right and Twitter is in the wrong.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 16, 2016 2:12 PM  

@29 LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra

I saw where he is going to start the 2nd leg of his college tour - which should provide us unknown and unheard of SJW entertainment

Anybody wants to catch up on it so far, or if you just want to enjoy some serious bitter SJW Tears, Butthurt, and gnashing of teeth:

http://sjwlist.com/Category:Dangerous_Faggot_Tour

Some highlights
- Fems and BLMs smear fake blood all over themselves in protest
- Group therapy sessions for wilted Snowflakes
- TrigglyPuff, and her equally nutter Snowflake friend Chenkin
- The still unidentified (AFAIK) "new Melissa Click"
- Mysterious Genderfluid Anteaters
- College republican groups being suspended, reinstated, similar to what Twitter does
- DePaul university is so epic, it almost needs it's own category

It's hard to keep up with all this stuff!

Blogger James Dixon August 16, 2016 2:22 PM  

> I was wondering if the violation would actually have any teeth,

It's almost certainly an EU regulation of some kind, but not being in the EU I have no idea which one and I don't have any time search for such things right now. :( The regulation should specify what, if any, penalties would be imposed.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 16, 2016 2:27 PM  

A couple more links about Twitter -

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/08/10/crash-override-network-twitter-anti-harassment/

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/08/11/gamergate-sting-operation-exposes/

Anonymous Thea August 16, 2016 3:07 PM  

Twitter needs you, you don't need Twitter.

If they kick off all provacative alt fighters they will just be boring old SJWs.

Anonymous TeX August 16, 2016 4:51 PM  

"It's almost certainly an EU regulation of some kind"

It is a standard freedom of information law, in the UK.
Nothing to do with the EU.

Blogger Thucydides August 16, 2016 6:36 PM  

But wasting time is the entire point. No fresh information deprives Milo's ability to move forward, pushes it farther back in time in case it is newsworthy and for most people deprives them of time and resources. Eventually (Twitter hopes) people will just give up and allow another SJW victory by default.

The correct response now is for everyone to start bombarding Twitter with these requests and overwhelm their OODA cycle. Second best response is to simply exit Twitter and other converged social media platforms to tank their financial resources and future prospects.

Blogger overcaffeinated August 16, 2016 8:23 PM  

I agree with 22 and 35. Time-wasting? Yes. Bizarre? No. Heard of "the process is the punishment?"

Twitter likely has some reasonably high-powered, intelligent legal representation. I'm sure they are well aware Milo is a UK citizen. It's perhaps weak, but not bizarre, for them to waste time, feign ignorance, and give people the run-around to avoid coughing up information. They're hoping he gives up, and perhaps some less determined person would have. Milo won't, but can you fault them for trying? Would you want a lawyer who rolls over and gives your enemies whatever they want without even the semblence of a fight?

Blogger Kevin Blackwell August 16, 2016 9:27 PM  

You realize that state courts have unlimited jurisdiction, unlike federal courts which have limited jurisdiction. If you want to be completely accurate, state courts are higher than federal, because they are courts of record and cannot be overturned, unlike the "Supreme Court."

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 16, 2016 9:38 PM  

30 Always enjoy reading your comments. Wonderful thread dynamic as always.

Milo has a weekly Friday podcast, he literally never stops working and continues to promote the most important issues. Milo is helping others while Twitter is embarrassing themselves but its all great PR and great press for Milo's take upon free speech, his ban. No fan of Milo is going to forget or let this go no matter what more dire events happen. No one is going to turn on him, his work similar to those listed here to CH, etc., all need our support and/or always have such support.

I remain appalled he was insulted by that Ghost busters chick he was only pointing out its his movie review and the movie is feminist propaganda. GBusters did not fare well with ticket sales to my knowledge. GB like ruined star trek, forgive me in advance but women don't belong in film beyond being beautiful and being something like desirable objects.

Hollywood, movies, music, tv, all that is vamperv predictive programming, lies, subtle cues to all the wrong worldviews, cues to all the wrong trends, cues to ugliness and its just mostly evil.

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