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Sunday, August 28, 2016

Never go full cuck

Andrew Klavan raises the Churchian flag and waves it proudly in defense of globalism:
Fantastic and irrational too is the philosophy of the alt-right with their smarmy pseudo-intellectual white isolationism (it's their make-believe belief that white people aren't necessarily better than other people, but only have an equal right to protect their "white" culture and territory). The alt-right website Vox Populi roundly declares "The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy." What blithering silliness.

Should we leave aside the fact that these nationalist anti-semites revel in the worship of a globalist Jew? Nah, let's pause here to mock them for it. And these European nations that form one of their "pillars:" since those nations have been at war with one another for the last two thousand years, it seems important to ask which one they mean? The industrious Germans or the delightfully carefree Italians? The Spanish with their part-Muslim inheritance or the English with their pagan Viking mix? And while we're at it, which one of each of these people is representative? Is Hitler more Aryan than Thomas Mann who detested him? Is John Keats or John Christie the more exemplary Englishman?

The best reason to judge people, actions and belief systems individually is to keep from talking crap. I too believe that Western culture from around 1500 to 1915 was one of the pinnacles of human achievement. Part of its genius — I would say the core of it — lay in the loving universalism of its religion which ultimately led its free nations to welcome all people willing to participate in the secular version of that creed.
The genius of the West is not, and has never been, "the loving universalism of its religion". Klavan's grasp of the West doesn't even rise to the level of Wikipedia.

Western culture, sometimes equated with Western civilization, Western world, Western society or European civilization is a term used very broadly to refer to a heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, belief systems, political systems, and specific artifacts and technologies that have some origin or association with Europe. The term is applied to European countries and countries whose history is strongly marked by European immigration, colonisation, and influence, such as the continents of the Americas and Australasia, whose current demographic majority is of European ethnicity, and is not restricted to the continent of Europe.

Ancient Greece is considered the birthplace of Western culture, with the world's first democratic system of government and major advances in philosophy, science and mathematics. Greece was followed by Rome, which made key contributions in law, government and engineering. Western culture continued to develop with the Christianisation of Europe during the Middle Ages, the reform and modernization triggered by the Renaissance, and with globalization by successive European empires, that spread European ways of life and European educational methods around the world between the 16th and 20th centuries.

Christianity. The European nations. The Graeco-Roman legacy. Such "blithering silliness". Anyhow, it's clear that the cuckservatives and their (((friends))) are running with "the West is universal" theme in order to sell their globalist anti-nationalism.

And as for his notion of Jesus Christ as "a globalist Jew", it sounds to this Christian as if Mr. Klavan is more than ready to bow down and worship Antichrist, should he appear and dangle the prospects of world peace in front of everyone.

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198 Comments:

Blogger VFM #7191 August 28, 2016 4:24 PM  

(((Andrew Klavan)))

Why am I not surprised.

Blogger Matt August 28, 2016 4:25 PM  

How does one sarcastically mock the protection of heritage and territory?

Anonymous Echo August 28, 2016 4:25 PM  

You didn't echo Klavan cause he converted from Judaism to Churchianity?

Blogger Matt August 28, 2016 4:25 PM  

How does one sarcastically mock the protection of heritage and territory?

Anonymous Peter #0231 August 28, 2016 4:26 PM  

"Anyhow, it's clear that the cuckservatives and their (((friends))) are running with "the West is universal" theme in order to sell their globalist anti-nationalism."

Plus they see what an existential threat to their positions and power the alt-right is. The way that they've lined up with the left has sure been revealing.

Blogger pyrrhus August 28, 2016 4:26 PM  

"Part of its genius — I would say the core of it — lay in the loving universalism of its religion which ultimately led its free nations to welcome all people willing to participate in the secular version of that creed."
OK, Mr. Cuck, when they turn out not to be participating in the "creed", is it OK to kick them out?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 28, 2016 4:30 PM  

There is a new Catholic Military Order being formed:

https://www.ordo-militaris.us/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 4:32 PM  

" I too believe that Western culture from around 1500 to 1915 was one of the pinnacles of human achievement. Part of its genius — I would say the core of it — lay in the loving universalism of its religion which ultimately led its free nations to welcome all people willing to participate in the secular version of that creed."

WTF????
'I too believe that the Western Civilization of the Past is the pinnacle of Human Achievement, because it was open to deracination and takeover by Jews.'

(Interesting. the MS spell checker doesn't include deracination....)

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 4:32 PM  

But-but-but, you mean I can't hold up my adopted non-white baby as an example of my moral superiority? Why did I waste my time doing so? Dad-gummit-blob!

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 28, 2016 4:35 PM  

So, I'm wondering which god Mr. Klavan worships along with promotion his gospel of equality: Golden Dindu or Goldman-Sachs? My shekel is on the latter. The Spaniards had a word for his kind: marrano. Time to start putting up stakes and bringing in wood.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 4:37 PM  

Is this Cliff's son? I liked the better brain through beer theory more myself.

When the African-American shouts "Black Lives Matter" does he mean the Hutu, the Tutsi, a Nigerian tribesman or an Ik descendant? They should be forced to specify.

Anonymous r August 28, 2016 4:40 PM  

Christ a globalist Jew, LOL.

The great commission is to preach the Gospel to all the nations, *not* to absorb all the nations into one, as St. Paul constantly had to remind Judaizers. And Christ was not a Jew in the modern sense at all. Christ never rejected Christ.

Blogger Unknown August 28, 2016 4:42 PM  

Klavan should have quit with his "just shut up" video.

Anonymous JAG August 28, 2016 4:43 PM  

I too believe that Western culture from around 1500 to 1915 was one of the pinnacles of human achievement. Part of its genius — I would say the core of it — lay in the loving universalism of its religion which ultimately led its free nations to welcome all people willing to participate in the secular version of that creed.

Why does (((Andy))) think it all ended in 1915, and why does he credit that which is destroying it as "genius"?

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 4:44 PM  

Did you know Jesus was a Jew?
-Jay, Clerks 2

Blogger Noah B August 28, 2016 4:44 PM  

I too believe that Western culture from around 1500 to 1915 was one of the pinnacles of human achievement. Part of its genius — I would say the core of it — lay in the loving universalism of its religion which ultimately led its free nations to welcome all people willing to participate in the secular version of that creed.

Reminder that this period of loving universalism which we all celebrate included many expulsions of Jews. Now if only we could get past our prejudices and teach those evil Christians to stop their baseless hatred...

Anonymous Roundtine August 28, 2016 4:45 PM  

If the Alt-Right is just like BLM, then good news, it will be at the center of national conversation and get invited to the White House. Twitter will create a special emoji that will pop up whenever you type #AltRight. Conservatives will fail to do anything about it except write articles and signal on TV and social media.

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson August 28, 2016 4:46 PM  

Ohhh ... I was trying to figure out who the globalist Jew was. I didn't realize he meant Jesus.

Blogger Nate August 28, 2016 4:47 PM  

There absolutely cannot be enough of these idiotic hit pieces. The more they write them... the more people they will drive to the Alt-Right.

Anonymous Jaypo August 28, 2016 4:47 PM  

I've been reading PJ Media for over 10 years in order to understand the American Right/Conservative viewpoint. For the last year or so it has gone downhill fast. From the outside, I see the divergence between cuckservatives and the alt-right.

O/T I pointed my eldest son, who is at university, to Vox's "What the Alt Right is" and asked him what do you think of this, what do you agree with or disagree with? He came back with, "Pretty much common sense. I don't see what the issue is. BTW, check out these sites..." Makes me proud to see that he is red pilled and so are his friends.

Anonymous JAG August 28, 2016 4:50 PM  

I'm also thinking that Klavan and Little Benji have been comparing notes lately. They make a cute couple in my opinion.

Blogger Noah B August 28, 2016 4:51 PM  

Ohhh ... I was trying to figure out who the globalist Jew was.

Because if there's one thing we all know that Jesus championed, it was a combined trade and monetary regime that favors the wealthy elite at the expense of workers.

Blogger M.S. August 28, 2016 4:52 PM  

Vox I've been reading your writings since "The Irrational Atheist" back when Dawkins, etc. were more popular. Is there anywhere on this blog where you define "Churchian"? If so I'd love a link to it. And if it isn't defined here, maybe write one.

OpenID paworldandtimes August 28, 2016 4:53 PM  

Calling something "blithering silliness" only works if the object of derision either is self-evidently blitheringly silly or the critic's rhetoric/dialectic effectively paints it as such.

Absent one or the other, the hit piece comes across as a mediocre thinker's try-hard engine revving.

PA

Anonymous PAC August 28, 2016 4:57 PM  

Globalism is Zionism: viz., Jewish nationalism and its claim to worldwide dominion. Its current imperial enforcer is America, and it will continue to be until America is sucked dry--at which point Pax Judaica (which is anything but peace) will replace Pax Americana. This needs to be hammered again and again. It's a terrifying moment in history when the equation can be made that simply--it reeks of end times, for any Christian--but that is the extreme rate at which history is currently converging.

This simple message needs to be passed around. Don't let them get away with "globalism," which is a specific political and religious agenda hiding under cover of a seemingly neutral, innocuous term chosen for its connotation of inevitability.

As for Jesus being a globalist Jew--replace globalist with Zionist, and you'll see this person is essentially calling Christ the Antichrist. That's how absurd, perverse and harmful this tripe is.

Anonymous Fran August 28, 2016 4:57 PM  

I used to like Andrew, too. Oh well.
Pat Condell is another one that can't see the forest from the trees( or something like that) but man can he bring the nastiness when he talks about BBC, Guardian or Islam!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM2B5a520Qw
Old but still true.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 28, 2016 4:58 PM  

A Trotskyite goes into a church is a lead in to a punch line. Yet PJ media gives this man space to preach the gospel of white genocide, so sad.

Blogger . August 28, 2016 5:04 PM  

Klavan wrote that? He wasn't hacked, or held at gunpoint?

I shouldn't be surprised; he did once mention Joel Osteen as a "Christian." The context was such that it sounded like Klavan is a fan of Osteen's.

But still... I have to believe Klavan wrote that under duress. Maybe Osteen promised him a super-sized mansion in Heaven if he wrote it, and abject poverty there if he didn't.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 5:05 PM  

My stab at "churchian"- Church culture in rebellion against the Truth, the Bible and God. An increasingly converged anti-Christ organization passing itself to one degree or another as the actual Body of Christ. Embraces the acceptance of everything (feminism) as a universal virtue. Tolerance and equality are top virtues while hating sin and calls to repentance are viewed as holdovers from "The Bad Olde Days" that give Christians a bad name.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 5:05 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Yet PJ media gives this man space to preach the gospel of white genocide, so sad.

PJ has been 80% converged. They're already working out how to get rid of Glen Reynolds.

Anonymous Steve August 28, 2016 5:06 PM  

The Alt Right sure does seem to piss off all the right people.

Blogger Nate August 28, 2016 5:08 PM  

"Is there anywhere on this blog where you define "Churchian"? "

A churchian is one who practices the religion of churchianity... which is a religion that superficially looks like christianity... but i reality has replaced christianity with worldly traditions.

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 5:08 PM  

I'd really like a public jew to come out in full throated support of the alt-right and a white homeland, so I don't have to come to the conclusion I'm coming to.

Anonymous Jaypo August 28, 2016 5:10 PM  

Vox,
I too would like a definition of Churchian. Could you cover that in a future post?

Thanks,
Jaypo

Blogger Whisker biscuit August 28, 2016 5:13 PM  

Isn't Churchianity the worshiping or putting high priority on the ways and doctrines of a church and its pastor instead of Christ and his teachings and commands? If so, a Churchian is a follower of Churchianity.

Blogger Ben Cohen August 28, 2016 5:14 PM  

Jews can be the biggest hypocrites. I know because I live among them. They also tend to be paranoid about Christians.

I was once breaking bread and the host said Donald Trump is a horrible candidate while at the same time stating that Israel needs to basically kick all the Arabs out of Israel. I bet you this is the same guy that would denounce Donald Trump for white supremacy. His wife is an Israeli. The worst are the Israelis that come here and lecture about how bad America is and how great Israel is. Then why the hell are you living here?

Another time at a family gathering a family member pointed out that Jews want a multicultural America so that they can blend in.

When what's left of the American Jews get kicked out (I along with them) I won't be surprised in the least. American Jews are in rapid decline anyways.

To paraphrase Marcus Aurelius you shouldn't be surprised at anything that happens in life and this is one of those things.

Anonymous Steve August 28, 2016 5:15 PM  

Because if there's one thing we all know that Jesus championed, it was a combined trade and monetary regime that favors the wealthy elite at the expense of workers.

Blessed are the TPP makers, for theirs is the kingdom of the earth.

Blessed are those who import Moslem rapists, for they shall be raised up high.

Blessed are those who cuck, for they will get what they deserve.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 5:16 PM  

@praetorian, Benjamin Freedman predated the alt-right by many years but he's got some deep alt-right insights from his speech at the Willard Hotel (see it on YouTube).

Brother Nathaniel also comes to mind.

One converted to Catholicism the other to Orthodoxy so I'm not sure they meet your requirements.

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 5:17 PM  

The Alt Right sure does seem to piss off all the right people.

Currently listening to Iron Maiden's The Book of Souls for the first time. Up The Irons!

Blogger Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque August 28, 2016 5:17 PM  

As these pieces attacking alt-right multiply some sensitive soul should play taps for dynamic silence

Anonymous toriodalInversion August 28, 2016 5:18 PM  

@35 Sometimes it's easier to show. Jim Galloway is a churchian, imo.

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/24/of-mosques-donald-trump-and-the-waning-of-white-christian-america/

Blogger Bard August 28, 2016 5:21 PM  

That is two major "Nevers" in two blog topics. I like it.

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 5:25 PM  

One converted to Catholicism the other to Orthodoxy so I'm not sure they meet your requirements.

Perfect.

Anonymous Jaypo August 28, 2016 5:26 PM  

@38 Steve
Blessed are those pretending to be peacemakers for they can never be accused by the SJWs

Blogger Bard August 28, 2016 5:28 PM  

35) Revelation chapter 3:14-18

Anonymous DT August 28, 2016 5:28 PM  

And as for his notion of Jesus Christ as "a globalist Jew", it sounds to this Christian as if Mr. Klavan is more than ready to bow down and worship Antichrist, should he appear and dangle the prospects of world peace in front of everyone.

Precisely.

It was Jesus Christ's Father who separated man into different languages and nations at Babel. This has led to untold struggle and strife in the world. So much so that I have questioned whether He should have done it at all.

Then I remind myself that He did this, in His wisdom, to prevent a greater evil I simply do not perceive or understand.

What will Christ's resurrected people be like? Will every resurrected body be of the same race, all with one culture? Or will there still be separate races and cultures, only living together in harmony for the glory of God?

I don't know the answer to that question. But I do know this: if there is to be one race and one culture, it will only come by God's direct intervention through resurrection. A literal rewrite of man's DNA. It will not come by man's hand.

Any person who advocates the undoing of God's work at Babel is perpetuating the will of Satan against the will of our creator and savior. Separating us was a painful, harsh thing. But it was done ultimately for our own good.

And nothing but evil can come of forcing us to act as one when God said no.

Anonymous the management August 28, 2016 5:31 PM  

The Cuck-Churchian's god says "I come to bring, not a sword, but peace." Peace, in this case, meaning convergence.



Blogger ValeriusMaximus August 28, 2016 5:35 PM  

Christianity is good because it formed a godless form of itself where everyone is invited. Brilliant knock down, I don't think the alt-right will ever recover.

Anonymous Faceless August 28, 2016 5:37 PM  

Romans:
"13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. "

2 Peter 2:
"13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor."

It is my understanding that the spirit of Babel is that of Satan himself, and that a global system with George Soros pulling all the strings would be Satanic by definition.

Mr. Klavan would like to see the abolition of those authorities and governments of nations that, per Paul and per Peter, God ordained and commands us to submit to and to respect. You don't respect the Queen of England by demanding that sovereignty be ceded to the European Commission, or that her subjects, the English people, be replaced by whomever has come looking for economic gain.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 5:37 PM  

the management wrote:Peace, in this case, meaning convergence.



No, peace in this case means slavery in service to a lie.

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep August 28, 2016 5:37 PM  

So not only is there a triune God, but also a bipartite Jesus: both the Messiah and yet still just a Jew?

I'm no theologian, but somehow, I don't think you can believe both that "No one comes to the Father except through me" and that the Son of God is just another globalist Jew (Soros is the second coming?!), no matter what your intellectual pretensions.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 28, 2016 5:37 PM  

I Like ((Klavan)) sometimes though he is too close to a cuck and the GOPe for my comfort more of than not. Still he does humor and snark better than most Conservative people. Not Weapons Grade Milo by any means but good solid humor as a weapon

Too bad he is not really on the right team.

As much as it pains me, the polite, pleasant orderly American style Burkean Conservatism he and Bill Whittle want is impossible to achieve and the only future for the West is aggressive reactionary Conservatism with White nationalist leanings

The irony is if the US has basically no immigration over the last decades we could have fought for and had what they want and it would be better for everyone.

We can't though and this means we have to take the hard way and its going to make the 21st century a lot less pleasant for everyone

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 5:39 PM  

Yeah, if Razorfist is lurking around these parts, you're a huge fag for hating on Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son; and The Book Of Souls is the logical sequel. Progressive-rock kicks you in your one-mullet-away-from-Dennis-Miller nuts.

Blogger frigger611 August 28, 2016 5:40 PM  

I moved out to the sticks of Kentucky to get away from too much vibrancy.

Went to Kroger today to get beer and pizza for tonight (Bengals pre-season game) and was shocked to see a couple clans of Somalis, about a dozen in total, kids swarming the vitamin bottle displays for some reason. Very poor mannered.

I mean WTF? I don't remember being asked to allow these people to reside amongst us. I doubt Somalis are being placed anywhere like Martha's Vineyard. I am sure they get 100% public assistance.

I guess Klavan will tell me my notions about "the West" are vague and stupid and lack historical context. My neighborhood is about to get a huge boost of culture, making us all better, dontcha know?

Because placing a bunch of low IQ 3rd worlders in a rural Kentucky county is precisely what Jesus would do.

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2016 5:44 PM  

I'm sick of these frauds. They don't know the alt-right. They don't even know what they don't know. Do some studying and get back to me.

Blogger J A Baker August 28, 2016 5:47 PM  

Right now these cucks are working over time to get Hillary elected. When Trmp wins these same cucks will all of the sudden see the error of their ways, repent and try to go on with their business as usual, and try to make everyone forget What they said and did, but we can't forget what they have done. I know there is an SJW list but is there a cucks list? Perhaps there should be.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 28, 2016 5:48 PM  

"I'd really like a public jew to come out in full throated support of the alt-right and a white homeland, so I don't have to come to the conclusion I'm coming to."

By definition Jews are not Alt-Right.

Neither are (((Neocons))) and libertarians.

Anonymous Opus August 28, 2016 5:50 PM  

Jesus, as I take it, no longer the Right Honourable Member for Nazerath South (Labour) but a Globalist Jew. Oh Purrrrrleeeese.

Blogger Crude August 28, 2016 5:53 PM  

Part of its genius — I would say the core of it — lay in the loving universalism of its religion which ultimately led its free nations to welcome all people willing to participate in the secular version of that creed.

Won't these same guys, under normal circumstances, admit and bemoan the fact that the West is dying? Does the 'secular version of that creed' have anything to do with that?

And the idea of a 'secular creed' is itself absurd. If there's a 'secular version' of Christianity, it is a competitor to it.

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2016 5:55 PM  

I am willing to believe that the "core" of Western culture from 1500 to 1915 was just such a universalism. But then it would have to be a secret core, and we would all have to have been hoodwinked by it. I have long heard tell of such a Secret Englightenment. Sorta like the program of the Grand Inquisitor in The Brothers Karamozov. Or the Illuminati of conspiracy theory. Or Moldbug's Universalism, which is the colonization of our minds by the ideology of the English radicals of the civil war era.

Otherwise, what the hell is he talking about? And why stop in 1915, in particular? WWI? How quaint.

I assign to this guy as homework actual books from before 1915. I can lend him a helmet to protect his skull from falling bigotry.

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2016 5:57 PM  

@59-Question: can't Israeli Jews be alt-right? It is a global phenomenon.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 28, 2016 6:00 PM  

"Because placing a bunch of low IQ 3rd worlders in a rural Kentucky county is precisely what Jesus would do."

You can thank Tyson and Pilgrim's Pride for that diversity. First they imported the Mexicans so they wouldn't have to pay white wages, then the Mexicans wised up so we get Muslims to slaughter our poultry.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 6:03 PM  

You guys asking about Churchianity, it's defined or discussed a lot in the book Cuckservative.

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2016 6:06 PM  

@14-Even were it not destroying it, let's say it were a good thing, his version of Western history would be plain ignorant. But then Whig history usually is. I just went to the bathroom. Klavan's version of my personal history would be one in which I was always at my core a guy who went to the bathroom at 4:30 pm today.

Blogger VD August 28, 2016 6:09 PM  

Question: can't Israeli Jews be alt-right?

I should think so.

Blogger ValeriusMaximus August 28, 2016 6:10 PM  

Andrew Klavan, a true Judeo-Christian, in both senses of the term.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 28, 2016 6:10 PM  

@56 J A Baker

I know there is an SJW list but is there a cucks list? Perhaps there should be.
---

If someone starts one up, they will probably have a ton of contributors to help.

Blogger Last Redoubt August 28, 2016 6:18 PM  

@A B Prosper

As much as it pains me, the polite, pleasant orderly American style Burkean Conservatism he and Bill Whittle want is impossible to achieve and the only future for the West is aggressive reactionary Conservatism with White nationalist leanings


Bill at least has the sense that, while he'd not prefer it, he's (grudgingly) pro-Trump, as he understands that the alternatives are worse.

Blogger Sam Lively August 28, 2016 6:23 PM  

Shapiro started promoting Klavan pretty intensively awhile back - gave me the impression that they under the same corporate media umbrella. So not surprising that they are in lock-step in their efforts to thought-police the right.

Anonymous DT August 28, 2016 6:30 PM  

@54 - I don't remember being asked to allow these people to reside amongst us.

You weren't.

I doubt Somalis are being placed anywhere like Martha's Vineyard.

They're not.

I am sure they get 100% public assistance.

They do.

To the elites in America...liberal Democrat and cuckservative Republican...you are just a dumb racist hick in flyover country who needs to experience diversity.

Diversity they would never allow into their precious gated communities.

'The law is for thee, not for me."

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 6:30 PM  

If the Alt-Right called for assassinations of black police officers and engaged in violent protests and riots, live ammunition would be used and Andrew Klavan and cucks like him would exult in the body counts. There is one quick difference.

The cucks/transnational utopians discredited themselves beyond repair in the Iraq War. Now that people are becoming aware of their latent anti-Americanism and not-so-hidden treason, they are afraid and becoming irrelevant to political dialogue. Expect more lashing out as Hillary and her cuck lapdogs drive more traffic here and to other Alt-Right websites.

Anonymous Farnswords August 28, 2016 6:34 PM  

Klavan wreaks of cuck. This essay couldn’t be more riddled with pathetic virtue signaling and pusillanimous condescension. That “globalist Jew” crack is the kind of careless bile for which a man answers to God.

At least a dozen times I’ve looked up from Vox Popoli, reflexively uncomfortable with VD’s positions or his blunt force, but at least I had enough sense to shut up and just read a man who is more intelligent and more well-read than myself. Every single time I have learned and benefited from it, and most times I changed my view.

I’m a relatively young man, not yet 30, and I am always bewildered by someone like Klavan, at his age, who hasn’t figured out something as simple as intellectual humility. How do you go through that much of life without learning how to avoid humiliating yourself publicly? He shows the exact same kind of feeble ignorance that afflicts those atheists who deliberately know nothing about any religion.

God bless the Alt-Right and Trump for exposing these fools who would rather see the Left in power than ally with the ones who are actually inflicting damage on it.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 28, 2016 6:36 PM  

Last Redoubt wrote:Bill at least has the sense that, while he'd not prefer it, he's (grudgingly) pro-Trump, as he understands that the alternatives are worse.

That's my assessment of Whittle's take on things right now. Yeah, Trump isn't perfect, but going against him (at least in Whittle's mind) isn't the hill to be dying on right now.

Blogger frigger611 August 28, 2016 6:39 PM  

@62

I have heard that Tyson and others were doing exactly as you stated - but there are no such plants within about 100 miles of me.

@70. Yup.

Which is why the organic growth of the alt-Rt.

Anonymous BGKB August 28, 2016 6:39 PM  

(((Andrew Klavan)))) raises the Churchian flag FIFY

The Spanish with their part-Muslim inheritance

The part were after they purged moslems out of their nation they held an inquisition to hunt down the (((traitors))) at the gate?

You didn't echo Klavan cause he converted from Judaism to Churchianity?

Maybe he is expecting an inquisition.

which god Mr. Klavan worships along with promotion his gospel of equality: Golden Dindu or Goldman-Sachs? My shekel is on the latter

Put me down for $50 on Brown Penis.

Jesus championed, it was a combined trade and monetary regime that favors the wealthy elite at the expense of workers

Did you miss the part where he supplied below cost wine fishes and bread to take over the market? The first loss leader.

I'd really like a public jew to come out in full throated support of the alt-right and a white homeland

What about Milo, Brother Nathanial or Benjamin Freedman?

y imported the Mexicans so they wouldn't have to pay white wages, then the Mexicans wised up so we get Muslims to slaughter our

They still collect more taxpayer paid benefits than they get paid, see Refugee Resettlement Watch.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 28, 2016 6:41 PM  

No, Israeli Jews are not Alt-Right. (By definition Jews are not Alt-Right).

Israeli Jews already have an Alt-Right equivalent, called 'Zionism'.

Civic Nationalists, libertarians, (((Neocons))), Constitutionalists--these people are not Alt-Right.

Anonymous Godfrey August 28, 2016 6:43 PM  

Hmmm? Let me ask Klavan two questions...


1 Why does Israel have a wall?

2 Why are Palestinians forced to live in the Gaza ghetto?

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 28, 2016 6:48 PM  

Point of order, are they technically a cuckservative when it is YOUR wife they are renting out?

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2016 6:49 PM  

@71-I have read the maunderings of High Liberals from the 50s, when they and their communist buddies ruled the world. They were afraid of potential rightist populist backlash, as inspired by the likes of McCarthy and the John Birch Society. All manner of vice and violence and evil was attributed to the specter. Because that was their opposition, and their opposition is Nazis. Because they are good, and therefore their opposition must be bad, and Nazis are not just bad but All Badness.

Then the 60s happened, and who got violent? Who unleashed chaos? Who was the fulfillment of their fears? Not the right, which went all Buckley on them. Except in the South, where there was some violent opposition. And not among ideologues, but the hard hatters who fought the hippies would be said by Marxist to objectively on the right.

Some liberals balked. We call them neocons. The rest surrendered or converted.

They couldn't see the potential in their side. The flip is also true. They can't see the actual in their side, either. And they forever will continue to predict it in the other side. When we fight back, we'll be the Nazis that they've always promised. (Just like the real Nazis, who were responding in kind to the commies.)

Blogger tublecane August 28, 2016 6:52 PM  

@72-I can sympathize with him, there. He doesn't know he's humiliating himself. Either he won't be told, or he won't believe it. And be would be humiliated worse were he to go the other way, because then he'd be attacked by the people he doesn't know better than to respect.

It's all a part of his ignorance.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 28, 2016 6:56 PM  

@74 We have a poultry plant the next county over. When they first built it, they hired local whites and talked all the tobacco farmers who were being kicked off the quota program into building chicken houses and supplying the plant. Within 5 years, it employed mostly Mexicans and the chicken farmers were bankrupt. They rode the Mexican train for about 15 years. Now instead of Mexicans living 10 to a house, we have Somalis living 20 to a house and trying to establish mosques.

Anonymous God Hates Cucks August 28, 2016 6:57 PM  

Anybody who thinks that Christians who are opposed to Zionism and Judaism are hypocritical is wrong.
Next time you hear someone spout "but Jesus wuz a jew!!!!111" , read them these Bible verses:

John 7:1
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

John 7:13
Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.

John 9:22
These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

John 19:38
And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

John 10:
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

John 6:41
The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

Acts 26
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill [me].

Acts 9
22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.
23 And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:
24 But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him.

John 18:
12 Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him,
13 And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year.

Acts 12:
1 Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth [his] hands to vex certain of the church.
2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.


Nobody has tried to destroy Christianity and Christian morals harder than the Jews, beginning with the crucifixion of Jesus and the persecution of the disciples, and it has continued up to this day with the likes of George Soros, the media, hollywood, porn, ect.

Blogger Noah B August 28, 2016 6:57 PM  

No, Israeli Jews are not Alt-Right. (By definition Jews are not Alt-Right).

I don't buy that. It may be rare, but it's certainly possible. The main issue that many of us take with Jews is their hypocrisy, which is the norm. However, if Jews openly advocate for Jewish interests but support the right of whites as well as other ethnic groups to do the same, I would potentially consider them alt-right.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 28, 2016 6:57 PM  

The genius of the West is and has always been the willingness and ability on the part of its men to form intensely strong artificial "families" that would sustain their morale to close with and destroy the enemy. Without that, who would have even heard of the Parthenon?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 28, 2016 7:00 PM  

"I don't buy that."

You don't buy that.

Stop, my sides!

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 28, 2016 7:03 PM  

Of the two Klavans, Cliff is the more reasonable in his historical recollections.

Anonymous Nemesis August 28, 2016 7:04 PM  

The best reason to judge people, actions and belief systems individually is to keep from talking crap. I too believe that Western culture from around 1500 to 1915 was one of the pinnacles of human achievement. Part of its genius — I would say the core of it — lay in the loving universalism of its religion which ultimately led its free nations to welcome all people willing to participate in the secular version of that creed


Look.

You're being trolled.

No sane person could ever, ever imagine the period of 1500 - 1915 as a period of "inter-faith universalism" [Note: that's not an -ism, there's a strict reason for this, who is this idiot?] given that Christians managed to kill around 50,000,000 of each other during this period.


There's no point hashing out the entire English Civil War, French Hugenots, Spanish, Switz...

Oh, look, fuck it.

This ignorance cannot possibly be true.

He's American "Right Wing", and yet so unimaginably clueless about history his snark about it really makes no sense since:

Identifying himself as a conservative, Klavan has expressed the view that "rightists" are the victims of discrimination in Hollywood.[14] In his view, people in the American arts are not fulfilling their inherent role of "speaking truth to power", since they are not willing to criticize those of the Left in power.[7] In July 2008, he likened criticism of George W. Bush to the vilification of Batman in The Dark Knight.[15]


Oh, so.



You have Traitors or embarrassing muppets.


But he's a Right Signalling Muppet, nothing else.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 28, 2016 7:11 PM  

We're bringing back the Männerbund.

Anonymous Icicle August 28, 2016 7:13 PM  

Let's make the Protestant Reformation great again!

Blogger Noah B August 28, 2016 7:19 PM  

@33 I'd really like a public jew to come out in full throated support of the alt-right and a white homeland, so I don't have to come to the conclusion I'm coming to.

They already have, and beware of those who pretend to be alt-right leaders or use the fact that they're Jewish to obtain notoriety or moral authority.

Anonymous Farnswords August 28, 2016 7:22 PM  

@80, tublecane

The quotation from Wikipedia is very damning. Almost anyone who reads that article, looks up Vox, and sees that the "blithering silliness" is just plain established history is going to know who came out on top here.

Know your enemy and know yourself. He should have known not to walk into that one, and now we know that he is a dummy.

Blogger M.S. August 28, 2016 7:27 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:You guys asking about Churchianity, it's defined or discussed a lot in the book Cuckservative.

Can you please post a definition in these comments?

Anonymous Eric the Red August 28, 2016 7:29 PM  

"..since those nations have been at war with one another for the last two thousand years, it seems important to ask which one they mean?"

1) Note the unsubtle dig about being at war. No other area of the world had war until the Europeans invented it, according to him. So now instead of the occasional war across boundaries, it's better to have continuous war within boundaries, and a totalitarian state on top of that to guide us all.
2) Yes, we mean each and every single one of them. That's the whole point.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 28, 2016 7:31 PM  

The 'loving universalism of the WEst' is just code word for:

Africa for Africans, Asia for ASians, White countries for Everyone.

And anyone. In fact ANYONE BUT the Europeans who built it and make it. That's the real issue.

Anonymous DC Puppetmaster August 28, 2016 7:31 PM  

That's a great movement you got going on there Vox.

Looks like you could use... a cash infusion.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 August 28, 2016 7:32 PM  

Well, the West IS universal in the sense that anyone could conceivably adopt Western values and practices for himself. But only in that sense.

Blogger Mastermind August 28, 2016 7:38 PM  

Jesus was racist. If anyone other than Jesus had called a woman a dog for belonging to another ethnic group there would be no debate on the subject. Kuckvlan bitterly clings to both Jesus and his liberalism, because he refuses to come to terms that he's gonna have to pick one or the other. A man cannot serve two masters.

Anonymous dr kill August 28, 2016 7:39 PM  

I am surprised at the number of self-defined Conservative thought policemen who profess revulsion with the A/R. I feel they're not as smart as they think they are. And when the locals realize the native guides are clueless, who knows what can happen. I guess that's when I knew I was not a conservative.

Anonymous johnc August 28, 2016 7:52 PM  

Jeez that guy's last paragraph is basically distilled freemasonry, the forerunner to "universalism". His timing is pretty accurate too, since this error really took root in the falsely-named "Enlightenment" era.

I give him credit for being forthright.

Blogger Stan Hai August 28, 2016 7:53 PM  

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands." Revelation 7:9

John the Revelator could see distinct nationalities and tribes in Heaven...kind of hard to do if we're supposed to become one big, borderless, deracinated mass before we get up there.

Blogger pyrrhus August 28, 2016 7:53 PM  

"Globalism is Zionism: viz., Jewish nationalism and its claim to worldwide dominion. Its current imperial enforcer is America, and it will continue to be until America is sucked dry--at which point Pax Judaica (which is anything but peace) will replace Pax Americana. This needs to be hammered again and again. It's a terrifying moment in history when the equation can be made that simply--it reeks of end times, for any Christian--but that is the extreme rate at which history is currently converging."

When America is sucked dry, Israel will have to be evacuated or face annihilation...

Blogger Tom Kratman August 28, 2016 7:54 PM  

@ 94

Mmmm...not merely that, Leo. The west has generally been willing (some exceptions, yes, but generally) to accept at least a very modest number / amount of other races / gene pools, especially if of very high individual quality. Note, for example, Pushkin's grandfather, AKA "The Czar's Black General," or Pocahontas from over here, who may also have been of high quality. Yes, the Greeks were remarkably exclusive, but the Romans were not, and from the very beginning. The Spanish rules on race, in this hemisphere, were apparently more rules on culture, as they were willing to accept up to 1/4 indio with little in the way of legal debility, and considered 1/8th to be white. 1/8th is far from pure, after all. And then there was Elo Sambo, kettle drummer in the Prussian Life Guards, and at least one black in the Freikorps who returned with von Lettow-Vorbeck.

Intermarriage was usually a problem, but not always, as per the Spanish and Pushkin's grandfather.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 28, 2016 8:02 PM  

"If anyone other than Jesus had called a woman a dog for belonging to another ethnic group there would be no debate on the subject."

I am often surprised at how thin people's theology can be. That's not quite what happened, a metaphor being rather different from a condemnation. Moreover, "O woman, great is your faith. Let it be done for you as you desire," is hardly a condemnation of Canaanites, nor of you, nor of me.

Blogger Phelps August 28, 2016 8:10 PM  

Matthew 7:15-20 tells you what you need to know.

And for the record, Jesus was not a globalist. He didn't even allow Samaritans and Canaanites into his initial ministry, and they were practically Jews. Remember Matthew 7:24-30 -- "It is not right to throw the children's bread to the dogs."

Blogger Josh August 28, 2016 8:11 PM  

No, Israeli Jews are not Alt-Right. (By definition Jews are not Alt-Right).

Vox's definition of the alt right doesn't preclude Jews.

Anonymous Wyrd August 28, 2016 8:11 PM  

Of the two Klavans, Cliff is the more reasonable in his historical recollections.

Norm!

Anonymous Hapax Legomenon August 28, 2016 8:16 PM  

Saying "Graeco-Roman" is like saying "Judaeo-Christian." Or "Aztec-Mayan." There was no love lost between the Romans and the Greeks. While the Romans somewhat idolized the philosophical attainments of their forebears, they always had an inferiority complex about it and never quite lived up to the Greek ideal, instead trying to overcompensate through military prowess. (Granted that the Greeks had previously colonized the coastal areas of Sicily, southern Italy, and Provence but that's another story.)

Anonymous BGKB August 28, 2016 8:17 PM  

MS You guys asking about Churchianity, it's defined or discussed a lot in the book Cuckservative.
Can you please post a definition in these comments?


Its on Kindle for $5 just skip one wetback BJ and you can afford it.

Vox's definition of the alt right doesn't preclude Jews.

Just like IQ tests wouldn't preclude Thomas Sowell, & Ben Carson. Even gays can join if they are willing to give up $5 wetback BJs

Blogger Mastermind August 28, 2016 8:17 PM  

@ 101
Who said anything about a condemnation? Racism is not about condemnation, but about prioritizing your own ethnic group over another. It was taken for granted that you support your kind over another (and it has been this way for most of human history), and Jesus not only went along with this system but used it as justification for his inaction. The whole point of the metaphor is that Jesus is the Jews' master and it would not do for him to give his gifts to a goy anymore than a father would feed his dogs with his children's bread. The only reason why He ended up helping her is because she trapped Him in His own words. By calling her a dog Jesus took an implicit responsibility for her and her plight, and now had to either help her or go back on His own words. All of which required the woman to, obviously, have faith that Christ really was the messiah and could help her (otherwise a normal person would have balked at the humiliation, especially in an honor-shame culture). But the entire episode makes absolutely no sense if Jesus was not racist. If He was an egalitarian he would have simply helped the woman right away.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 28, 2016 8:18 PM  

These clowns don't get it.

Whether we call it today's Alt-right or tomorrow's something else, the sentiment is changing.

They cannot perpetrate a system whose time is over.

Blogger tz August 28, 2016 8:25 PM  

@82 - thanks for saving me work and doing a more comprehensive job.

@84 - Athena Parthenos - Virgin. I'm surprised the Feminists haven't done to the Parthenon what the Taliban did to the Buddhas in Afghanistan, other than they tend to be extremely ignorant.

On "never go full cuck", Can facing the Cheetos be virtual?

The alien ideas led to the blood of 55 million innocent babies - let it be on the churchian hands. He worries about some white v.s. black while he is standing up to his neck in a pool of red.

Blogger praetorian August 28, 2016 8:27 PM  

No, Israeli Jews are not Alt-Right.

They don't need to be alt-right, they just need to support us and our goals.

Blogger Phillip George August 28, 2016 8:30 PM  

the attack is relentlessly on Christians/ realists who want a survival plan not on Muhammadans who have a declared war for only the last 1300 years with a body count in the hundreds of millions.

the failure is to recognize the actual supremacists and what is truly segregationist. It is denialism writ global big.

There is a Commonwealth under Holy Spirit. Commonwealth not communism/ not multi cultic nirvana.

the multicultic fools fail... CS Lewis' Abolition of Man prophesied this/ Martin Amos summary of three words: stupefied by relativism. Materialism tried to kill the only Spirit that Counts.

You are at war

Blogger Nate August 28, 2016 8:34 PM  

@82 - thanks for saving me work and doing a more comprehensive job.

...

You have got to be kidding me. The fact that powerful religious jews were enemies of Jesus has nothing to do with the fact.

Anonymous the management August 28, 2016 8:46 PM  

Sam Lively wrote:Shapiro started promoting Klavan pretty intensively awhile back - gave me the impression that they under the same corporate media umbrella. So not surprising that they are in lock-step in their efforts to thought-police the right.



"(((Shapiro))) started promoting (((Klavan)))"? You don't say!

Blogger tz August 28, 2016 8:57 PM  

@112 How? Powerful religious Jews have always been the enemies of Jesus and Christians. They constantly assaulted and battered St. Paul. Ever read the Talmud? They occasionally had their Usuryfullness.

Anonymous URL IRL August 28, 2016 9:17 PM  

I can't get around the fact that ITS NOT OK for Americans to have an opinion of the racial/ethnic/religious make up of the the USA.

The standard hand waving is, "it doesn't matter because we're all the same!"

If race/ethnicity/religion truly "don't matter" then a 100% white population is the exact same thing as any other mix.

And a 75% white with 10% black, 10% central/south american and 5% everything else for the obligatory amazing cultural cuisine should be the exact same as any other mix.

But nobody believes that. There is concerted action in only one direction - reduce the % of total population of white non-hispanics.

Pew research puts white Americans at 46% of the population in 2065. Every natural born conservative should be wary of such a drastic change. At the very least we should recognize that things could go badly and there may well be "unknown unknowns" (something even an equalitarian might be able to agree with) to massive demographic changes.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 28, 2016 9:25 PM  

@ 107

I cannot agree with any of that, theologically, logically, or practically.

Anonymous mature craig August 28, 2016 9:38 PM  

Well im back to thinking the blogosphere is at least the same level of quality if not higher than anything on TV.

Anonymous Dystopia Max August 28, 2016 9:47 PM  

116: You didn't grow up in an Ancient Near Eastern honor-shame culture where those sorts of attitudes were commonplace. Regardless of how Jesus planned to eventually save the world, in life, he lived as a Jew.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 28, 2016 9:48 PM  

Well, the West IS universal in the sense that anyone could conceivably adopt Western values and practices for himself. But only in that sense.

Disagree. Some nationalities aren't genetically or culturally wired to adopt Western values, nor do they wish to do so. The fact people with that predisposition are allowed to immigrate to the West is a travesty.

Blogger Hen August 28, 2016 10:28 PM  

Have been reading "Culture of Critique" and now grok much better the level of opposition to Pepe, Alt Right, The Donald. I've been trying to figure, is there any 'weapon' we have that defuses the total monopoly of media and therefore the constant access to mainstream shriek which our self-chosen enemy has? I think there is:

Read: The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler. The short of it is, these are not Semites, but quite likely are out of Japheth. Turkish stock. Political Jews, not of the bloodline. Koestler, who was a blood Judahite (Sephardic Jew), was killed for writing this book (oh alright, he and his wife committed double suicide, right-o...). He says the representation (as Semitic) is a hoax. A. Hoax. Thirteenth Tribe is available to read for free on line. Just google the title.

BTW, Jew is to Judah as Jim is to James. Of the tribe of Dan, it would be Dannite. Of the tribe of Benjamin, it would be Benjaminite. Like that, for each of the 12 boys born to Jacob, and the two who were "adopted" by Jacob who were Joseph's first two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh.

By the time of Our Lord, the geographical region that was originally assigned to Judah was occupied by Canaanites, Idumean Jews (Herod, for one) (out of Esau, the twin of Jacob), and anyone else the Babylonians could move into the territory, plus a small remnant of blood Judahites that had returned as recorded in Ezra and Nehemiah.

At least one source I've read says that only those people out of Judah's third son Shelah and his Canaanite wife were referred to as "Jews", and then not until the days of II Kings. See Gen. 38 for the story of Judah's boys. He fathered twins (out of wedlock) with his daughter in law Tamar after his (Judah's) wife died -- those boys were Phares or Pharez and Zarah. Pharez figures prominently in King David's lineage, and therefore in the Christ's. So, if my reading is correct, Christ was not a Jew. He was a true Judahite, but not from the Shelah son, and only those from Shelah were called Jews. Mostly scriptural. I can't find in the Bible where Judah ever married Tamar, but I expect that he did.

So, if you could ever get anyone's attention, perhaps the identity of who has been corrupting our nation as not Semitic, NOT the people of the Book, not the apple of God's eye, not real Israel but "hoax" comes to mind, perhaps that has some firepower. Does it matter? Does to me.

Then there is this vexing issue of the 10 Northern tribes who were captured and moved by the Assyrians. If you do the math, you will find those had to be a very large number of people who were relocated into the regions around Assyria (mostly north), and many of them, I have read, went further north and west into Europe (having spent a time in the Caucasus, Caucasian). Lots of archeological evidence to support that. Possible. So, quite possibly, there is true Semitic blood in some Europeans. Maybe. But if so, that's interesting. It changes things. Big picture becomes hoax non Semites "beat up on" the people who really do have Israelite blood.

Blogger Hen August 28, 2016 10:33 PM  

And, finally, whew! You can't find a people more clannish than the Jews. I find it simply hilarious that they lecture me about being global and multicultural and....and...

Blogger buzzardist August 28, 2016 10:37 PM  

Klavan sums up the inherent contradiction of modern conservatism:

1. "Western culture from around 1500 to 1915 was one of the pinnacles of human achievement."
2. "[The West's] free nations...welcome all people willing to participate in the secular version of that creed [loving universalism]."

Even if Klavan were right that loving universalism, rooted in Christianity and now converted into secularism, is the most important feature of the West (he isn't right, but assuming he were), laying out the welcome mat to people around the world ensures the destruction of the very thing that Klavan considers great.

Yes, many people come to the West wanting to participate in it. But what they want is not the ideological values, but the material wealth that those values have produced. We give them all the material trappings of the West, but this doesn't make people from Asia, Africa, the Middle East, or Central and South America into Western people. It simply turns them into materialistic Asians, Africans, Arabs, or Latinos. Almost all of the people flooding into America and Europe from elsewhere in the world are observably resistant to Western values. They don't want to participate in the West's ideology. They merely want its wealth, and they do not understand the connection between the West's cultural values and the West's success and wealth.

And since most of these immigrants don't want to become Western (even if it were possible for them to do so, which culturally and genetically may not be the case), they will increasingly uproot and destroy Western achievements the more they become established within Western countries. We can't sustain the achievements and wealth without the values that created those achievements, and those values are rooted in the culture and people. Displace the people and replace the culture with something else, and we'll end up with a very different set of achievements.

Could that other culture's achievements surpass the West's eventually? It's entirely possible, if not probable. But it won't be Western culture anymore, and the displacement of peoples that we've already experienced means that a rise of another culture will almost certainly require the destruction of Western culture. If Klavan values "loving universalism" or anything else in the West, he would not be inviting in peoples who want our wealth and freedoms, but don't (and can't) actually think and behave as Westerners.

Blogger Ben Sanderson August 28, 2016 10:46 PM  

Klavan is another fuckwit who has been forced to retire by the altright.

I'd only add that western civ also means fatherhood; that patriarchy is the backbone of western civ. I only mention that because today I learned a co-worker - a black man - is paying child support for five different kids from five different women. I never hear of this from white men. This is an entirely African behavioral norm.

So western civ is definitely not this. It's high investment parenting, patriarchy, and fatherhood.

Blogger buzzardist August 28, 2016 10:47 PM  

@94 The notion that people from elsewhere in the world can adopt Western values, behaviors, and cultures is the lie that globalists have been pushing in order to promote immigration. Very few immigrants ever actually want to fully adopt the values and practices of the cultures in which they live, even if they happen to admire those cultures. Even for those few who have such a desire to become fully Western, they are not culturally and, by the weight of the evidence, genetically ill-disposed to do so.

There is nothing universal about cultural values and practices. These are traits deeply rooted and ingrained in people, and individuals do not change their cultural foundations simply by adopting a few outward practices. Cultural values and practices are always specific to a group of people.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 28, 2016 10:55 PM  

Read: The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler. The short of it is, these are not Semites, but quite likely are out of Japheth. Turkish stock.

No, the Ashkenazi are not Turkish. The DNA research that has been going on for years has shown that Ashkenazi Jews are 80% Italian on the maternal side - mtDNA does not lie. There very possibly is a genetic bottleneck in the Palitinate part of the Rhineland in the last 1500 years.

There is no genetic evidence to support the Khazar / Turkish claim. None. It's no more factual than claiming the Lost Tribes of Israel sailed to Central America and became Mayans.

Suggest Cochrane / Harpending The 10,000 year explosion for background on this. The research is ongoing. Unfortunately Henry Harpending died earlier this year.

Cocrhane is still alive and kicking, and updating on all sorts of things:

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/20/even-more-on-ashkenazi-ancestry/

One more time: Askenazi Jews are not descended from Turkic peoples. The genes do not lie.

Anonymous Jonathan August 28, 2016 11:04 PM  

"globalist jew"? I was not aware that christians worshiped George Soros

Blogger Elder Son August 28, 2016 11:06 PM  

And for the record, Jesus was not a globalist. He didn't even allow Samaritans and Canaanites into his initial ministry, and they were practically Jews. Remember Matthew 7:24-30 -- "It is not right to throw the children's bread to the dogs."

No. They were not "practically" Jews.

The Canaanites were corrupted by the Anakim. Then there is the fact that Canaan was a product of incest.

The Samaritans were corrupted by the Assyrian's, inter-marriage and inter-religion. Which is why Samaritan became a by-word of dog. A mutt. A mongrel.

Blogger Elder Son August 28, 2016 11:10 PM  

Also the Jews, or rather Israelite's, came from a very specific bloodline.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 28, 2016 11:12 PM  

Laguna Beach Fogey wrote:Israeli Jews already have an Alt-Right equivalent, called 'Zionism'.

Hey Vox,
What's the Rhetorical value of White Zionism or Euro-Zionism. I'm not good at this, I can't really tell. Seems it would make some heads explode, though.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora August 28, 2016 11:34 PM  

@46 The languages were confused because they could do whatever they imagined. Human ability outpaces its wisdom. Imagine the Roman Empire making it to the moon. In Daniel it says the antichrist casts some of the starry host to the earth and tramples upon them. In biblical numerics when numbers are repeated three times it represents the ideal form of that number. 6 is the number of man, so 666 is the ideal man. It could be said that the antichrist is the pinnacle of human advancement or achievement. Babel was separated to delay the day when mankind actually could reach the stars where they could rape innocent worlds.

Blogger Elder Son August 28, 2016 11:39 PM  

They weren't trying to go up to the stars. They were trying to bring God down to earth. To make a name for themselves. God had other plans. Babel was a temple.

Blogger Phillip George August 28, 2016 11:58 PM  

if you don't believe Islam supports cultural genocide or segregationist supremacist thinking just keep asking yourself why are there no Cathedrals in Saudi Arabia?

Now, who is more dangerous, the Muslim with the scimitar or the Cuck with their censorship?

Neutrality is not an option. The Swiss didn't thrive on neutrality. They survived on defending their culture. And privacy laws.

Anonymous Chico and the Man August 29, 2016 12:07 AM  

I don't recall much diversity in my collegiate Western Civ class. (I doubt the class is even offered anymore. Probably replaced by a study of the kings of Africa.)

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 29, 2016 12:11 AM  

How do you get a hard cover of Throne of Bones?

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Blogger EscapeVelocity August 29, 2016 12:17 AM  

Fantastic and irrational too is the philosophy of the Zionst with their smarmy pseudo-intellectual Jewish [Nationalism] isolationism (it's their make-believe belief that Jewish people aren't necessarily better than other people, but only have an equal right to protect their "Jewish" culture and territory).

Blogger Phillip George August 29, 2016 12:20 AM  

the great logical impasse.

If you truly respect other cultures you have to respect their right to declare war, impose segregation, practice genocide. You have to respect their right to free association.

Neutrality if not an option.

Muhammad said Jesus didn't die on the cross and rise from the dead. He doesn't just "not believe" he positively claims is didn't happen. There is a big difference. Huge difference philosophically.

Now, if someone seems like a murdering lying thief, it might just be because they are.

Aiding and abetting is a crime - not just in this lifetime. Think about that.

Jesus said a crime against the Holy Spirit. Muhammad said there is no such thing.

What you welcome into your shores/ society, can and will kill you.

Anonymous Icicle August 29, 2016 12:25 AM  

There is no genetic evidence to support the Khazar / Turkish claim. None. It's no more factual than claiming the Lost Tribes of Israel sailed to Central America and became Mayans.

My favorite was that British Israelism hypothesis.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 29, 2016 12:28 AM  

I cant comment at PJMedia because I was banned and dont care to invest the energy to circumnavigate the ban.

But funnily enough 3 or 4 of their columnists follow me on Twitter as well as @PJMedia_com itself.

Roger Simon is rather enthusiastic about Trump. Klavan is probably voting 3rd party.

Blogger Phillip George August 29, 2016 12:29 AM  

perhaps "the irrational Zionist" could be VD next book.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence? Where did the northern tribes spread to? How many of those scattered did remain in the Middle East?

Blogger bob k. mando August 29, 2016 12:30 AM  

121. Ben Sanderson August 28, 2016 10:46 PM
I never hear of this from white men.



nevertheless, it happens.

i worked with a White guy who wanted to unionize our repair shop.

his having two ex-wives, both with children, and a third woman with a child on the way, had nothing to do with his unionization attempts, of course.

he was a bit of a joke in the shop. anything that anyone else had ever done, he had done better. you went golfing? he went golfing with a PGA coach. etc, etc. the women do love a bullshitter.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 29, 2016 12:40 AM  

Speaking of full churchian...

He's currently adopting. Bets on race?

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 29, 2016 12:52 AM  

@Shenzhen, Colin Kaepernick -ian?

Anonymous Icicle August 29, 2016 1:07 AM  

Muhammad said Jesus didn't die on the cross and rise from the dead. He doesn't just "not believe" he positively claims is didn't happen. There is a big difference. Huge difference philosophically.

Which of the suwar and/or ahadith is that in?

He's currently adopting. Bets on race?

I keep waiting for them to go full retard and start adopting pygmies.

Blogger Joe Katzman August 29, 2016 1:27 AM  

@25 PAC... "Globalism is Zionism: viz., Jewish nationalism and its claim to worldwide dominion. Its current imperial enforcer is America, and it will continue to be until America is sucked dry--at which point Pax Judaica (which is anything but peace) will replace Pax Americana. "

ZERO chance, PAC. We can't even keep peace among ourselves.

And Zionism is Nationalism, as Vox himself fully recognizes. It seeks a future for Jews and Jewish children, precisely on the grounds of hard experience that diversity + proximity = war. No matter what strategy you pick as a successful and prominent dispersed minority, it eventually fails and people die.

So you must have your own place to build and protect. This idea is anathema to the globalist set, of course. Perhaps you recall the "Zionism is racism" kerfuffle? Which was simply a canary in the coal mine for the current globalist idea that ALL nationalism is racism.

More than a few of us wonder, as perhaps some of you do, if this is because the globalists would find the "die" part convenient.

Indeed, it's interesting to see the beginnings of an Alt-Right in Israel, largely as they realize that, in their words, 'the people we elect are not the ones who are really driving the bus.' Welcome to The Cathedral, boychiks. And "Abu Yehuda's" recent blog post explicitly rejecting universalism in favor of "we are more important than they are in our land" was an interesting development, I thought. Very countercultural. Shimshon, any comments there?

I find the idea of a future for Jews and Jewish children uncontroversial and necessary. This is a matter of physical safety and security, not just sentiment.

Praetorian @33, it's the same thing for European peoples, who each have the exact same right to a future for themselves and their children.

Everyone wants that, everyone is RIGHT to want that, and that's precisely WHY we have nationalisms. An argument with that that idea is an argument with ALL nationalisms.

Meanwhile, Jewish nationalism will only claim one piece of poor land in a shitty neighborhood. The world is not an option, because the experiences of a people and their history are tied to the land.

I could move all of the Germans to Uruguay, and Uruguay would become a great place. But it wouldn't really work as global ground zero for Germans because most of their meaningful history as a people would be seated in a foreign land. So Madagascar could never have worked for Jews, nor Uganda nor Utah nor Baja (sigh).

Globalism IS religious, though. It is part of The Cathedral, which will have no other gods or religions before it. Not Judaism, and not yours.

I do not get warm fuzzies from a religion of 100+ million skulls in just 100 years, which is now talking about an ideal global population of 1-2 billion, and getting its hands on ubiquitous surveillance + AI + robotic enforcers.

If we don't derail it, and soon, there may not be much of a future for ANY of our children.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 29, 2016 1:37 AM  

Normally God just closes the womb. Making the men look like they want to crawl back into it, the women like they don't have one, and the changelings like half chimpanzees, seems almost as excessive as Herod's bowels dropping to the pavement.

Blogger N Matheson August 29, 2016 1:57 AM  

Klavan is great, a persuasive and humorous writer who does great work in dismantling the follys of the left with a great deal of righteous passion. He is, in terms of history and in philosophy quite often factually wrong.

The thing is we've all been around the world now, not only on holiday but actual travel and work. We've met people from the different continents.
"Universalism" only works as an idea if you don't actually meet anyone from different continents/cultures. In the same way that Islam and "Urban" Black people can only be patronised and excused by people who don;t actually have much to so with them.
The rejection of in group survival, the fourteen words, is only controversial in post WW2 western culture.

Blogger Phillip George August 29, 2016 2:07 AM  

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

— Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158[8]


I give up Icicle, what point are you attempting to make? Rhetorical, dialetical materialism?

Which bit of "they killed him not" is ambiguous. In what way did Muhammad understand the Gospel accounts?







Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 29, 2016 2:10 AM  

You guys know Klavan is an Ashkenazi ex-liberal ex-Jew, right?

Calling Jesus a universalist Jew is pure projection.

Anonymous andrewknorr August 29, 2016 2:15 AM  

One of the good points that Sailer makes is that whites are for too interested in abstract principles. Vox Day and others are falling into this trap again. There is no reason to invoke "Western Civilization" which in any case invented to sell encyclopedias, I think. Nobody pulls their kids out of bad school because of "Western Civ," they move because they don't want to be a minority. "Western Civ" is complete overkill and is a trap that gets the movement bogged down in distracting debates, but worse, makes us sound like a Great Books reading group. Drop all the ridiculous stuff about "Western Civ" and simply appeal to the normal desire to not be a minority.

Blogger Phillip George August 29, 2016 2:23 AM  

It should be clear from the above that the Holy Spirit is the Angel Jibreel sent by Allah to assist His chosen servants in their divinely ordained missions."

Yes, this is cut and paste, but this is just a "scholarly" [choke, cough, splutter] account; the entire article thrust is, Holy Spirit is another name for an angel called Jizreel. Servant, angel, subordinate one.

Anonymous JAG August 29, 2016 2:41 AM  

andrewknorr wrote:One of the good points that Sailer makes is that whites are for too interested in abstract principles. Vox Day and others are falling into this trap again. There is no reason to invoke "Western Civilization" which in any case invented to sell encyclopedias, I think. Nobody pulls their kids out of bad school because of "Western Civ," they move because they don't want to be a minority. "Western Civ" is complete overkill and is a trap that gets the movement bogged down in distracting debates, but worse, makes us sound like a Great Books reading group. Drop all the ridiculous stuff about "Western Civ" and simply appeal to the normal desire to not be a minority.

This comes across as concern trolling.

Blogger Elder Son August 29, 2016 2:56 AM  

God did away with "universalism" (globalism) for a reason. Judgement.

https://youtu.be/E8Ou0_3DgBk?t=52s

Dr. Michael S. Heiser

The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations.

Blogger Noah B August 29, 2016 2:59 AM  

@147 In all seriousness, those who want to cut out the discussion of the abstract can and should stick to memes. They have been devastatingly effective in getting our message out, and we need to keep pouring them on. With a little creativity and Photoshopping, you can create the next meme that will trigger journalists by the thousands.

But there are niches that memes and slogans will never be able to fill, and higher level discussion is absolutely necessary in parallel with the meme wars. Memes are helping expose and tear down the web of lies that surrounds us, but they don't provide a solid basis on which to build. If we are to be successful we need to have something to offer normies to replace the currently dominant societal model, and that requires some thorough refinement and presentation of our fundamental beliefs. We're a long way from finished with this, but Vox's proposed list of alt-right principles is a good start.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 29, 2016 3:05 AM  

Another ally added to the enemies list.

It would be useful to have a scheme that mitigated his phenomenon.

Anonymous JAG August 29, 2016 3:36 AM  

The Overgrown Hobbit wrote:Another ally added to the enemies list.

It would be useful to have a scheme that mitigated his phenomenon.


I look at it as a net positive. I'd prefer to know who is with us and who is not. I liked Klavan at first too, but he has certainly jumped the shark.

Blogger VD August 29, 2016 3:46 AM  

Another ally added to the enemies list.

Again, NOT AN ALLY. Stop being such a twit. False allies are worse than known enemies. Just because you were dumb enough to fall for a conservative doesn't mean they are genuinely on the side of Western Civilization.

It would be useful to have a scheme that mitigated his phenomenon.

Why? We don't need people who are actually on the other side. That desperation to be liked is exactly what did in the Tea Party.

That's why we need our goose-stepping, armband-wearing extremists. They will keep out the corrupt derailers by their mere existence.

Anonymous SciVo August 29, 2016 3:54 AM  

@152:

There really isn't much for it. Hyphenated-Americans and (((nomads))) will mostly be against American nationalism out of an emotional reaction that can't even really be called rational self-interest, since it isn't, but I'm sure it feels like it.

Better to know sooner rather than later whom not to trust guarding the gates, eh? No matter how many other issues they agree with you on, if they disagree on keeping out the barbarian hordes that are destroying mountains of social capital built over centuries of high-trust culture, then they were never an ally. Maybe a frenemy.

Anonymous Icicle August 29, 2016 5:00 AM  

I give up Icicle,

You give up easily! Low energy! Sad!

what point are you attempting to make? Rhetorical, dialetical materialism?

More like "where is it in the index so I can read it." So probably actual materialism.

That's why we need our goose-stepping, armband-wearing extremists. They will keep out the corrupt derailers by their mere existence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ERp_ib-1o

Gun. Triggered.

Blogger Phillip George August 29, 2016 5:31 AM  

Try Prozac.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 29, 2016 5:47 AM  

Normally God restores Israel's territory for faithfulness. But modern Jews are infinitely corrupt. So He has revived the nation after 2,000 years simply to destroy it a third time. Do you really want to step into that sort of grudge?

Christendom's mistake was hosting the synagogue of Satan. Hitler's mistake was thinking Jehovah would let someone else end the Jews.

I support moving 100% of world Jewry to the plain of Megiddo, then firing a cruise missile at their tallest office building every time they try to communicate.

Blogger totenhenchen August 29, 2016 6:10 AM  

What else could convergence mean?

Blogger totenhenchen August 29, 2016 6:10 AM  

What else could convergence mean?

Anonymous Icicle August 29, 2016 6:46 AM  

Try Prozac.

Your mother needed a larger suppository.

Blogger Phillip George August 29, 2016 7:18 AM  

and Aurelie Chatelain's daughter needs a mother. Jesus Christ, son of the Living God, fortunately, can be both. Yes, He can.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 29, 2016 7:33 AM  

Icicle:

Neither. Sura IV, 157-158.

Blogger Phillip George August 29, 2016 7:44 AM  

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!

there's an infallible mother for you Icicle. Would you be gathered? Would you be caught up?

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen August 29, 2016 7:49 AM  

Jesus is neither mother to individuals nor a suppository, Phillip, but you are an idiot.

Anonymous Thales August 29, 2016 8:28 AM  

"Fantastic and irrational too is the philosophy of the alt-right with their smarmy pseudo-intellectual white isolationism (it's their make-believe belief that white people aren't necessarily better than other people, but only have an equal right to protect their "white" culture and territory). . . What blithering silliness."

In other words, Shut Up.

Anonymous BGKB August 29, 2016 8:46 AM  

Now, who is more dangerous, the Muslim with the scimitar or the Cuck with their censorship?

The cuck will keep you from knowing a male nurse was beheaded in Lewistown Maine last august & 3 moslems shot obamaphone video of themselves raping a 5yo blond girl in Twin Falls last month.

a co-worker - a black man - is paying child support for five different kids from five different women

From Vox's "To shark or not to shark?" post • 98 percent of white mothers never receive any financial support from the black fathers of their children even if they are married to them.

Blogger Phillip George August 29, 2016 8:56 AM  

you're the ...........er Leo, look up El Shaddai and do the basic midrash.

and take a ...........er tour of matthew 5.22

Blogger Robert Divinity August 29, 2016 9:32 AM  

There is no reason to invoke "Western Civilization" which in any case invented to sell encyclopedias, I think. Nobody pulls their kids out of bad school because of "Western Civ," they move because they don't want to be a minority. "Western Civ" is complete overkill and is a trap that gets the movement bogged down in distracting debates, but worse, makes us sound like a Great Books reading group.

Western Civilization provided you with the tool to post this pap and the freedom to do so. It isn't an abstract principle but a real and superior culture worth the battle to keep. The communists want to destroy it and the cucks want to deny it exists, but Western Civilization has been the greatest force for good the world ever produced and is as important as our status within it so the two are inextricably linked. The desire to preserve Western Civilization is the same as the preservation of our people and culture. It's why I'm here. Western Civilization is on the ropes.

The Alt-Right uses many accessible vehicles to get its message to the public. An announcement of first principles doesn't detract from them but adds a different audience and expands the movement.

Anonymous andrewknorr August 29, 2016 10:55 AM  

Western Civ will do OK without your help but also if you insist on aggrandizing yourself as the last best hope of Western Civ then expect the kind of ridicule that Cathy Young delivers above because you've made yourself an easy target.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 29, 2016 11:31 AM  

andrewknorr wrote:Western Civ will do OK without your help but also if you insist on aggrandizing yourself as the last best hope of Western Civ then expect the kind of ridicule that Cathy Young delivers above because you've made yourself an easy target.
(((andrewknorr))) hates western Civilization and wants you to surrender it.

Why do you hate Western Civilization (((andrew)))? What did it ever do to you, besides give you a life of comfort and security?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 29, 2016 11:35 AM  

Western Civ will do OK without your help but also if you insist on aggrandizing yourself as the last best hope of Western Civ then expect the kind of ridicule that Cathy Young delivers above because you've made yourself an easy target.

You earlier:

There is no reason to invoke "Western Civilization" which in any case invented to sell encyclopedias, I think.

So which is it? Western Civilization doesn't exist and was invented or it will do just fine? As for Cathy Young, the only person she has beclowned is herself. Why, exactly, do you find Western Civilization unimportant? Because it interferes with your worldview of all cultures being equal? That's a non-starter with me and I suspect most people here.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 29, 2016 12:27 PM  

(((Troll))) says Western Civilization = Where da Shiksas be at?

Blogger S. Misanthrope August 29, 2016 12:44 PM  

Haaaaa! The globalist Jew is meant to be Christ?! I couldn't think who he meant and honestly thought it was some really oblique Hitler reference. Wow.

Anonymous Avalanche August 29, 2016 3:13 PM  

@25 "Its current imperial enforcer is America"

America = Judea's retarded big brother, who will happily shamble off to beat up whatever "offender" Greater Judea gets pointed at!

Anonymous Avalanche August 29, 2016 3:47 PM  

@124 "Very few immigrants ever actually want to fully adopt the values and practices of the cultures in which they live, even if they happen to admire those cultures."

I've been having a gentle conversation (on FaceCuck) with a woman I slightly knew from high school. She expressed some horror at my "kick out illegals" stance. "Oh," she claims "they WANT to come here and assimilate."

"No, no they don't."

I've been asking her to consider: if she and her children moved to, say, Cambodia, how long, how many years, how many *generations* would it take for her or her descendants to 'assimilate'; to describe themselves AS Cambodians; to BECOME Cambodian (esp. as defined BY Cambodians)?!

'Well, since SHE is a conservative Catholic, she never could or would.'

"Okay-so, you could NEVER assimilate; Why, then, should either you move into their lands -- or they let you?"

She hasn't yet been able to answer that. But she DOES "want to help those poor people."

First, not with MY tax dollars and second: it costs 12x more to bring them here to help, as against helping them in a country near their own. WHAT of the 11 out of the 12 she is NOT helping by her selfishness in bringing 1/12th of "those poor people" here? No answer to that either. Still it's fun -- and other folks are reading it.

Anonymous andrewknorrr August 29, 2016 6:25 PM  

You know who always invokes Western civ? The neocons. When VoxDay invokes Western Civ, he sounds exactly like Bill Kristol or any good neocon justifying a foreign war in the name of universal principles. The new right should not immediately adopt all the bad thought patterns of the neocons. But the other problem is that once you start invoking Western Civ, you're killing it. It's either a live tradition or it's a jazz festival. Problem three is that nobody cares about Western Civ. They care about their country or their family or protecting their racial majority, but not Western Civ. It's a diversion and an irrelevance to the vast majority of white Americans. Instaed the rhetorical appeal should be dead simple: why are we turning the US into Brazil when we wouldn't want to live in Brazil? It's that simple.

Anonymous andrewknorr August 29, 2016 6:46 PM  

Rachel Lu in Federalist has another incoherent "white pride is creepy, Western civ is the best" that is typical of neocons. So which is it? Is it the universal culture or is it nothing to be proud of? But what's so telling about her argument is that she assumes the West is dead. She assumes that the West is a list of authors she hasn't read in languages she doesn't know. We shouldn't make that mistake. That's why we don't have to speak about Western civ: it's alive in us so we don't have to invoke it.

Blogger tz August 29, 2016 7:58 PM  

@157 That's why we need our goose-stepping, armband-wearing extremists. They will keep out the corrupt derailers by their mere existence.

Awestruck. I see the Machiavellian method in the madness.

Though I doubt the neo-cons would attempt to co-opt the alt-right.

Also, did someone put funny mushrooms into the bowl of Cheetos Glenn Beck faced? He started mentioning the alt-right this morning so I decided to listen. I can appreciate psychiatrist's patience more. Did anyone ever tell Glenn, Pat, Stu, and even Jeffie that they are the privileged white cis-straight-males so should shut up?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 29, 2016 7:58 PM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 29, 2016 8:03 PM  

(((andrewknorrr))) wrote:It's either a live tradition or it's a jazz festival. Problem three is that nobody cares about Western Civ. They care about their country or their family or protecting their racial majority, but not Western Civ. It's a diversion and an irrelevance to the vast majority of white Americans. Instead the rhetorical appeal should be dead simple: why are we turning the US into Brazil when we wouldn't want to live in Brazil? It's that simple.

Hello, fellow alt-Righters! WE should stop talking about Western Civilization, because Neo-cons talk about it and they are all bad evil nasty-manies. You souond just like my father, oops, I mean my professor at Brandeis, oops, I mean Bill Kristol when you talk like that! you can't talk about Western Civilization because it doesn't exist except as a Jungian archetype int he remote past and no-one cares about it, at least, no one at my Yeshiva, oops, I mean back in my totally White working-class town that I totally came from, cares about it. No-one cares about it and you'll kill it if you try to save it!

(((andrewknorr))) wrote:Rachel Lu in Federalist has another incoherent "white pride is creepy, Western civ is the best" that is typical of neocons. So which is it? Is it the universal culture or is it nothing to be proud of? But what's so telling about her argument is that she assumes the West is dead. She assumes that the West is a list of authors she hasn't read in languages she doesn't know. We shouldn't make that mistake. That's why we don't have to speak about Western civ: it's alive in us so we don't have to invoke it.

Hello, Fellow White People! You all should stop trying to save Western Civilization! It's loved by Jews besides me, I mean by Jews, who also think it's dead and irrelevant, just like I do! So WE should not try to save it! We are too smart to try to recover anything from OUR heritage, fellow Whites!
WE should just be gutter racists, grabbing our gibmedats from the fed gov, just like every other Gentile, oops, I mean AMERICAN has been trained to do.
Right, fellow Whites?
Besides, We are Western Civilization, right, fellow racists, oops, I mean Whites?


I swear to God, that is the most incoherent mutually contradictory pile of crap I've seen in a long long time. You even make Mr Rational look, well... rational.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 29, 2016 8:05 PM  

VD wrote:That's why we need our goose-stepping, armband-wearing extremists. They will keep out the corrupt derailers by their mere existence.

Well, we have one here who's evidently triggered by Western Civ, so it's not a unique advantage.

Anonymous andrewknorr August 29, 2016 8:13 PM  

That's the other problem with the rhetoric of Western civ, it is perceived as anti-semitic. If the new right is just edgy anti-semitism then it will fail. The argument has to be presented in concrete terms: do you want your child's school district to look like California? No? OK then you are on our side even if you don't know it yet.

Blogger DaRa August 29, 2016 8:14 PM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 29, 2016 8:43 PM  

(((andrewknorr))) wrote:That's the other problem with the rhetoric of Western civ, it is perceived as anti-semitic.

And finally, we get to the honest statement. Took a while, but I'm proud of you Andrew. Now fuck off.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 29, 2016 9:03 PM  

That's the other problem with the rhetoric of Western civ, it is perceived as anti-semitic

Sounds like projection to me. Two groups that I can think of that despise Western Civilization, and one of the isn't Islam.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 30, 2016 12:32 AM  

andrewknorr wrote:That's the other problem with the rhetoric of Western civ, it is perceived as anti-semitic.
Stylistic tip, Andrew, try to avoid the passive voice. Instead of "it is perceived as anti-semitic", try "I think it's anti-Semitic."

Or course, then you would be asked to justify that statement, and there's no way to do so without outing (((yourself))) slandering Whites, and excluding (((yourself))) from Western Civilization.

Maybe you could try "Jews would view that as anti-Semitic". But then the response would be "So the f*** what? Who cares? They think all White people want to kill six million Jews each. Who cares what they think?"

Hmmm, this is getting problematic.

Maybe "The (((Media))) will paint it as anti-Semitic." That's the more usual tone police approach. But no, that would only result in another thousand memes of Taylor Swift pushing Ben Shapiro into an easy-bake oven.

I'm afraid there's no way for you to use this one against us, (((fellow alt-Righter))). You'll have to get to work with Rachel Lu and her friends at The Federalist to finish discrediting Western Civilization before it'll work.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 30, 2016 3:11 AM  

It would be useful to have a scheme that mitigated his phenomenon.

Why? We don't need people who are actually on the other side. That desperation to be liked is exactly what did in the Tea Party.


Hmmmm... No, the Tea Party didn't expect to be betrayed by the Party of Reagan (hah) and didn't understand social media, nor what you refer to as 4G warfare.

Don't deflect.

Ms. Young & the Shapiro kid had promise, but are no loss. Mr. Klaven is effective. Ditto Jonah Goldberg. It would be really useful to be able to convince people like them to aim fire in the right direction.


It's no credit to these men that they are so easily derailed. It would be interesting to have a counter.

You're a gamer. Why are you so willing to let the progs claim these assets?

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 30, 2016 3:12 AM  

It would be useful to have a scheme that mitigated his phenomenon.

Why? We don't need people who are actually on the other side. That desperation to be liked is exactly what did in the Tea Party.


Hmmmm... No, the Tea Party didn't expect to be betrayed by the Party of Reagan (hah) and didn't understand social media, nor what you refer to as 4G warfare.

Don't deflect.

Ms. Young & the Shapiro kid had promise, but are no loss. Mr. Klaven is effective. Ditto Jonah Goldberg. It would be really useful to be able to convince people like them to aim fire in the right direction.


It's no credit to these men that they are so easily derailed. It would be interesting to have a counter.

You're a gamer. Why are you so willing to let the progs claim these assets?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 30, 2016 3:26 AM  

The Overgrown Hobbit wrote:You're a gamer. Why are you so willing to let the progs claim these assets?

An ally firing in your direction is not an ally.
A guard dog that you can't trust not to turn on you is not security.
As asset that detracts from your effort is not an asset.

Klavan is effective? How so? What actual fights has he won? He's kind of funny in a Jon Liebowitz sort of way, but he only preaches to the choir and wears quickly.

Goldberg is effective? In what way? At virtue signalling and purging everyone that his paymasters want denounced. Other than that, what has he actually done since Liberal Fascism?
We can trust these people to turn on us, to fire at our heads, to detract from our efforts. Let them go, they have yet to fight effectively anyway.

Blogger tublecane August 30, 2016 2:36 PM  

@186-The alt-right will be perceived as anti-semitic no matter what, so I don't see why we should care. A second ago you were saying Western Civilization is a neocon buzzword, and neocons definitely don't have an anti-semitism problem. So which is it?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 30, 2016 6:42 PM  

tz

Though I doubt the neo-cons would attempt to co-opt the alt-right.


Are you kidding? Of course they will, for obvious reasons.

Also, did someone put funny mushrooms into the bowl of Cheetos Glenn Beck faced?

You are aware of his, er, "journeys of faith", aren't you? Beck is not the most stable bobblehead on the shelf.

Blogger kathleen August 31, 2016 1:45 PM  

Jesus as a "globalist Jew" is HILARIOUS. Damn, that's funny. Anyone who can say that with a straight face doesn't understand the first thing about Western Civilization.

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